IRC log of #harmattan for Wednesday, 2011-10-12

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faenilhi everyone :)01:12
faenilis there any smart way to backup/restore contacts on n950?01:12
faenilbetter with an online service..01:12
rcg2well the smart way starts by not using the built in backup feature01:13
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faenilheard about that :)01:15
faenilis there any way I can sync to google contacts or something like that?01:15
ajalkanei synced to google contacts, worked fine01:16
ajalkaneI use MfE for syncing to google calendar and contacts01:16
ajalkaneservet address and yoi"re good to go01:18
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faenil_got disconnected...01:18
faenil_did you write anything else?01:18
ajalkanesecure connection, domain is empty01:19
faenil_ok..never used mfe :)01:20
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ajalkanethe login username might have to be full google e-mail, don't remember01:22
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faenil_ajalkane: thanks01:30
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faenil_what about Nokia Link? has anyone ever used it on the n950?01:42
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faenil_I can't get beyond phonet...02:16
faenil_is anyone online?02:16
faenil_it flashes ape, and then disconnects02:16
SpeedEvilOnline, but no clue02:19
SpeedEvilI vaguely remember for one attempt, I had to make it not able to load a module on te PC02:19
DocScrutinizermodprobe -r ehci_hcd02:21
DocScrutinizeror sth like that02:21
faenil_using windows...02:21
DocScrutinizermodprobe -r cdc_phonet as well02:21
DocScrutinizererrr, NFC then02:21
faenil_but I'll probably boot ubuntu if I can't solve this problem in the next 5 mins..02:22
DocScrutinizerthough I guess the root cause is the same, I can't tell how to work around it on err what's it caled? windoze02:24
faenil_so what's the problem in your opinion02:25
DocScrutinizerthe ehci USB2.0 driver02:25
DocScrutinizeror the phonet driver that comes with nokia suite on windoof02:25
DocScrutinizerboth are known to (sometimes) interfere with flashing02:27
DocScrutinizerbut I have not the slightest idea how to do a modprobe -r on windoze02:27
DocScrutinizerI.E. how to unload a driver02:27
DocScrutinizerotoh the phonet driver probably is mandatory on win when flashing with nokia suite or whatever that's called02:28
faenil_that's a bit keeps saving the most updated driver somewhere02:28
faenil_I have Nokia Connectivity cable drivers installed...those that come with the flasher02:29
faenil_I think I'd better switch to ubuntu02:29
DocScrutinizerI suggest you ignore my random noise, as I got no idea about win anyway02:29
faenil_better try on ubunut02:30
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faenilback on ubuntu02:36
faenilanybody got linux flasher package?02:36
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faenilDocScrutinizer: is Flasher 3.5 okay ?02:38
DocScrutinizererr, dunno. I got flasher from expanded one-click-flasher file, and I suggest to use one-click-flasher anyway02:40 can I expand it?02:40
faenildownloading oneclick flasher02:40
DocScrutinizerfor expanding see - but I guess you don't want to do that02:41
faenilwant to try flashing without oneclick :)02:42
faenilshouldn't be's oneline command..02:42
DocScrutinizer( there, and the extracted 22-6 and 34-2 OCF in the corresponding subdirs)02:42
faenilokay downloaded flasher.bin from the extracted 22-602:42
DocScrutinizerdunno if tha one works for beta2 aka 34-2 at all02:44
DocScrutinizeryou'll see02:45
faenildoes the flasher work on 64bit os?02:45
DocScrutinizer34-2 has a 64bit version02:46
faenilyeah there's the bin too02:47
faenilwhat about drivers? is everything already installed on ubuntu?02:50
faenilokay same problem on ubuntu...stops at phonet, after phonet/bootloader02:52
faenilafter bootloader/phonet02:52
DocScrutinizerlsmod|grep hci02:54
DocScrutinizermodprobe -r ehaci_hcd (check spelling!)02:54
faenilahci and libahci02:55
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faenilFATAL: module is builtin02:57
faenilso modprobe did not work..03:00
faenilthe fact sends the APE-algo image, then shuts off03:01
DocScrutinizersorry, tired right now03:02
faenilnp ;) thanks anyway...03:02
DocScrutinizertry different usb port, preferrably backside. try good cable. try an older distro version or another distro03:02
faenilbut it's the same error on win and ubuntu, I don't think it's the distro...03:03
DocScrutinizertry a different machine even03:03
faenilI tried on all usb ports xD03:03
faenilYeah, better try on the desktop03:03
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DocScrutinizerI heard laptops have several internal USB-connected "peripherals" and for that use internal USB hubs, often. Flashing however occasionally conflicts with hubs03:06
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faenil I am trying on desktop has not even the time to install flashing drivers...because it soon appears "device has been disconnected"...03:13
DocScrutinizernever seen that03:18
DocScrutinizerso I assume you're talking about winshit again03:19
* merlin1991 can't stop playing around with the n903:21
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faenilbut the thing is, I get the same error03:24
faenilwith different USB cable drivers, and usb ports, and machine03:24
DocScrutinizeruse winXP03:26
merlin1991try some live cd like knoppix, or the ubuntu live cd03:27
DocScrutinizerand USE OCF!03:27
faenilDocScrutinizer: why would OCF change anything? It's just a .bat (batch commands) + same bin files...03:28
DocScrutinizerexactly, and iirc it does some additional module unloading etc03:29
DocScrutinizerplus I got no f*ng clue where from you got a stand-alone flasher under wincrap03:31
DocScrutinizerand I'm afk now03:32
faenilI got it from the OneClickFlasher man...just extracted it, and I got the  images and the flasher....03:34
faenilplus, the oneclickflasher does no module unloading in just reads device with -i03:34
faenilthen does -a and -f03:34
ieatlintfaenil: to confirm, you try to flash your n950 with the OCF from nokia's public site, and after sending the ape image it turns off the phone and the flasher sits saying something like "waiting for phonon..." forever?03:45
faenilyes but I'm not trying with the OCF, I'm trying with files from the OCF...03:47
ieatlintyeah, give up :P03:47
faenillol :D03:47
ieatlintit's a certificate issue03:47
faenilis it? :O03:47
ieatlintyour device is rejecting it03:47
faenilwhy should it?03:48
ieatlintactually, i'm not sure if it's the device or the flasher03:48
ieatlinti don't have a detailed explanation of why03:48
ieatlinti've run into this before, and i was told by a nokian that it was not a bug, but by design03:48
faenilthanks for the info anyway :)03:49
ieatlintfeel free to keep trying.. if you succeed, i'll be very interested :)03:50
ieatlintyou won't hurt anything as i understand03:50
faenilatm, I'm flashing with OCF, and it's working now...03:51
faenilit's very late (2:51 am here) and lectures at uni start in 6 hours...I think I'll be a zombie when I wake up xD03:51
ieatlintdrunk and or tired is the perfect time to flash your phone :)03:52
faenilexactly xD03:52
ieatlintespecially drunk... sometimes you need that impaired judgement to convince yourself to try an image03:52
faenilErasing, it may take a while....03:53
faenilcome on....hurry up I need to sleep! XD03:54
ieatlintshould've skipped the erase operation :P03:55
faenilright xD03:56
faenilthe ocf did not ask about it xD03:56
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MohammadAGso apparently I won't be getting my N950 until two weeks10:55
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w00ton the upside, at least you're getting it, i guess11:04
MohammadAGw00t, it's in Israel, in customs11:07
* w00t saw that from the other day11:08
jreznikMohammadAG: two weeks in customs? sad :(11:08
MohammadAGjreznik, it's been there for 4 days and a 10 day holiday starts tomorrow11:08
rcghmmz.. sounds pretty silly for a loan device for which you shouldn't need to pay taxes after all11:09
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* jreznik remembers marketing materials for Gnome 3 release party - it was stuck at customs for free weeks, billion calls, and they wanted certificate from ministry of agriculture that the Gnome balloons are wealthy etc...11:09
rcgsometimes governmental regulations drive you mad :(11:10
djszapiyeah, so not worth making a fuss, just accept it. :)11:10
jreznikdjszapi: you have to accept it but when you have to pay taxes and custom duty for free media you've received as part of Fedora ambassador programs to be given away for free... yes, this happened a few weeks ago... free medias was worth a few hundred euros of taxes :)))11:11
djszapithat is a different story.11:13
xarcassIs there anybody who knows what could be done about vibration level on the N9? DocScrutinizer have told me once to take a look into mce.ini file, but i've found nothing relevant there..11:19
Stskeepsisn't there a setting for vibration level..?11:20
djszapijreznik: I understand your frustration about the Fedora ambassador deal, though. That is a very unfortunate situation.11:23
DocScrutinizervibra pattern11:24
jreznikdjszapi: yeah, different story but customs are always non-deterministic :) thanks for no borders in EU :)11:24
DocScrutinizerwhich control level over time11:24
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xarcassand where could this vibra pattern be found, if this is at all possible?11:28
xarcassStskeeps: for now, there isn't such setting. otherwise i wouldn't have asked :)11:29
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djszapixarcass: at least I can set the vibration levels in the settings page.11:32
w00tthere is a setting.. sounds and vibration in the settings app, scroll down, and set them to whatever level you want11:32
djszapiat least with the prototype in market.11:33
dfaureHow do I connect the N950 to a WEP/WPA wifi network? It only talks about a pushbutton method and a PIN method... I want to enter a passphrase instead11:33
xarcassdjszapi: I haven't had any doubts that you could :) Question was how mere mortals could also achieve this11:33
djszapixarcass: same, settings11:34
djszapidfaure: it will ask the password automatically.11:34
djszapiif it realizes that sort of network encryption.11:34
dfaureafter I choose "skip wifi protected setup"?11:34
djszapifor instance, it now asks me for WPA pre-shared key if I choose that network.11:35
xarcassdjszapi: all I can see in section "Vibration profile" is three "switches" - no level settings. There is also "Feedback" section, but this is irrelevant, I suppose11:35
djszapiSettings/Sound and vibration/Touch_screen_vibration (at the bottom)11:36
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xarcassdjszapi: it's called "Feedback" in my case. There are three controls: 'System sounds', 'Touch screen tones' and 'Touch screen vibration'. Which ones should I adjust to increase vibration level in cases of incoming calls and messages. btw, i don't need touch feedback - it just scares me :)11:39
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djszapixarcass: that is weird. Do you have an N9 from stock ?11:39
xarcassI was even among first 100 who bought it in our country :) It was an official Nokia event, with champagne, music and all that stuff11:41
djszapiWhich country, Denmark or something else ?11:41
djszapican you tell me please the software version you see in the about dialog ?11:41
djszapiI try to flash exactly the same and try out. :)11:42
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DocScrutinizerxarcass: sorry, you're right - there's obviously no more vibra-patterns in HARM mce.ini11:46
jreznikhmm, looks like n9 has a same issue with signal :)11:47
djszapixarcass: I have that vibration on my N950 with the relevant week image.11:48
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xarcassdjszapi: so all I have to do is to sit and wait for an update, I suppose. so be it.11:49
djszapixarcass: I did not mean to say that ;) I would ask the customer service.11:49
djszapiimho, it should already be there.11:50
xarcassdjszapi: thanks for all your concerns and patience11:51
MohammadAGvibration level of what?11:51
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: pineapples?11:52
MohammadAGno really11:52
MohammadAGringtones, keyboard feedback...?11:52
DocScrutinizerringtones (AIUI)11:52
djszapiMohammadAG: 11:36 < djszapi> Settings/Sound and vibration/Touch_screen_vibration (at the bottom)11:52
MohammadAGafaik those are hardcoded11:52
MohammadAGdjszapi, that's what you said, not what he asked11:53
djszapi11:19 < xarcass> Is there anybody who knows what could be done about vibration level on the N9?11:53
djszapithat is what can be done ...11:53
MohammadAGand I asked vibration level of what11:54
djszapiand I told more times.11:54
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: /ignore11:54
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: makes life a whole lot easier11:54
infobotfrom memory, djs is
xarcass MohammadAG: you can scroll up a couple of pages :) I needed to increase vibration level in cases of incoming calls and messages. That's all.11:57
djszapisorry, but what is the question yet ? It was said what could be done about vibration altogether.11:58
MohammadAGxarcass, that's either hardcoded, or somewhere that's not mce.ini11:59
MohammadAGin any way, it's not in the UI11:59
MohammadAGoh right12:00
MohammadAGthe default ringtones use Immersion haptic feedback stuff12:00
MohammadAGyou'll need to make .ivt files and stick them in /usr/share/sounds/vibra12:00
MohammadAGI'm not sure if there's OSS software to do that12:01
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xarcassMohammadAG: as I've understood it, it's not in *my* UI and that this isn't normal12:01
MohammadAGit's not in anyone's UI xarcass12:01
djszapixarcass: yes, that is true. I admit, that is about the feedbacks.12:03
djszapibut that is all what can be done on the Ui back to the original question.12:03
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MohammadAGhis original question was about vibration (of ringtones)12:04
MohammadAGdon't confuse him12:04
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xarcassdjszapi: yep, i've tried this right now. doesn't work with ringtones12:04
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djszapiThe original question was this: 11:19 < xarcass> Is there anybody who knows what could be done about vibration level on the N9? -> It was said what can be done in the Ui..12:07
DocScrutinizerjreznik: I just wonder how that :) smiley managed to make it on your depressing news statement12:08
DocScrutinizerI'd feel rather pissed to shell out what? 600 EUR for a phone with signal issues12:10
MohammadAGdjszapi, don't be too anal about he asked the question12:10
MohammadAGabout how*12:10
Stskeepsn9 has signal issues?12:11
DocScrutinizer[2011-10-12 10:47:56] <jreznik> hmm, looks like n9 has a same issue with signal :)12:11
MohammadAGI'm considering buying an iPod touch12:11
MohammadAGdo I sound insane?12:11
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: curious12:11
xarcasswell, i just don't use touch feedback, so I assumed that there is no other use of vibration other than ringtones and other notifications12:11
Stskeepsjreznik: could you for fun try to disable the power saving mode?12:12
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: to me you sound insane all the time :-P Might relate to my /ignores though12:12
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: good thinking12:13
DocScrutinizerthough PSM is meant to ensure voice connectivity12:13
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: no, it affects more than that12:13
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: think it's actually unrelated12:14
DocScrutinizerit is meant to reduce all power hogs to ensure GSM gets the last 30% (or whatever you set it to, up to 50%) of battery exclusively12:15
DocScrutinizerso if your battery goes to "reserve" level, everything but GSM voice runs on a reduced level or gets completely disabled12:16
* xarcass remembers his nokia 3310 which jumped like a crazy frog while vibrating12:16
DocScrutinizercompletely sane, unless you abuse it to switch off connectivity when you think you don't need it12:16
DocScrutinizer(which was the proposition somebody here stated and made me swear about Nokia engineers' sanity while those probably were completely innocent)12:17
DocScrutinizerxarcass: on N9* we got an accelerometer that could in theory sense that jumping and reduce vibra strength accordingly until the device stops jumping ;-D12:22
DocScrutinizerxarcass: know those otto engines with dynamic ignition time adjustment, that push back the time your compressed gas gets ignited until a knock sensor doesn't detect any more knocking due to early explosion?12:23
xarcassDocScrutinizer: it vibrates so weak that I don't believe that there's so sensible accelerometer installed to even notice this vibration12:25
DocScrutinizerjumping of device also will cause "knocking" (on impact on the table) that could get detected and reduces vibra strength in turn12:25
DocScrutinizerooh the lis302 is good enough for that12:26
djszapixarcass: I will ask from my colleagues whether it is possible somehow.12:28
djszapiif you are also fine with command line "hack".12:28
* DocScrutinizer runs to hand in the patent papers for this, before inventwithnokia snatches away the idea and does it12:29
xarcassDocScrutinizer: i've kept my n3310 on the shelf with oscilloscope (it was the only place in a room with good signal strength), so it kept jumping on the floor from 1.5 meters for 2 years without damage. I remember those times with tears of tenderness :)12:29
xarcassdjszapi: thanks again. and yes, i've league champion of command line hacks!12:30
infobotxarcass meant: djszapi: thanks again. and yes, i'm league champion of command line hacks!12:30
DocScrutinizerxarcass: I'm afraid HARM isn't meant for you12:31
DocScrutinizeryou know, on HARMattan virtually all cmdline hacks are defeated by security policy enforced by aegis/MSSF12:32
* xarcass stares at the iphone he's coding right now with loathing and aversion12:32
* DocScrutinizer does same with a different target: N95012:33
xarcassDocScrutinizer: after 2.5 years of heavy-duty iphone coding, harmattan is like a refreshing fart in a room full of roses. believe me12:33
DocScrutinizerkinda on the point analogy12:34
DocScrutinizerI prefer the fresh atlantic shore breeze I feel on fremantle (or *real* linux/*nix for that behalf)12:35
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DocScrutinizereach single cmdline cmd I enter to N950 ssh I hold my breath in anticipation of next aegis fart12:37
nealDocScrutinizer: may be worse is better: the community will invest in meego ce rather than harmattan...12:38
DocScrutinizerquite possible12:38
djszapiyes, and more work on Mer which is good. :)12:39
DocScrutinizerbut then meego CE is declared dead as well I heard, mer-resurrected is the hype of the week12:39
Stskeepsnop, CE isn't dead12:40
DocScrutinizerwhich is like reboot #5 in my book, to make the system stay always-up12:40
StskeepsMer is just core side of things, CE continues as-is, though probably rebasing on top of the core12:41
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: btw, would you have interest in nuking your n950 to a point where you run CE instead of harmattan, aegis-free?12:41
Corsacit seems it gets worse every 6 months12:41
DocScrutinizertbh atm I'm just interested in N9 hw investigations12:42
VenemoCorsac, what gets worse?12:42
Stskeepsfair enough12:42
DocScrutinizerI applied for N950 with H-E-N9 and it seems it will never happen, or hell freezing over and Nokia allows loading of modules to stock kernel, dang maybe even includes hostmode kernel patches to stocjk kernel - MUHAHAHA. For this I need N9&HARM as target, not meego CE12:44
SpeedEvilHas the n9 kernel been released - any version?12:44
DocScrutinizerseems so12:44
SpeedEvilTo compare with 95012:44
MohammadAGthe new kernel sources are on the repo afaik12:44
SpeedEvilIs that an update over a few days ago, or was that the n950 sources that weren't.12:45
DocScrutinizerand I guess they are same for N9 and 95012:45
Venemocan we expect hostmode for the CE? when you done it for Harmattan?12:45
SpeedEvilhostmode for CE 'should' be simple.12:45
SpeedEvilAt least in the n9 case.12:45
DocScrutinizerVenemo: hostmode for CE should be friggin simple, basically12:45
SpeedEvilIt's pretty much a stock kernel.12:46
SpeedEvilAs long as upstream works.12:46
DocScrutinizerwhich afaik it does, on pandora/pandaboard (sorry I always mix up)12:46
Venemobut I'm talking N9(x0) here12:47
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DocScrutinizersame platform, basically12:47
DocScrutinizersame twl4030 PHY, same musb-hdrc in OMAP, we're done12:47
DocScrutinizerand for sure I'm willing to help with any problems that arise when setting defconfig of CE to usb-hostmode=yes12:48
Venemothat's nice of you :)12:50
DocScrutinizerooh, please. No sarcasm before breakfast12:50
Venemothis was honest, not sarcasm.12:50
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dfaurenew error when trying to flash the n950: Erasing, this may take a while. ERROR: Failed to erase MMC using 'secure' method14:00
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svuoreladfaure: I had that several times14:06
dfaureand you simply tried again?14:06
svuorelayes. without any success. Then I hacked the installer to not use the secure method14:07
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svuoreladfaure: there is a extractoneclickintsaller function on the meego wiki, and it gives a handful of executables, tarballs and shellscripts. one of the shellscripts calls a erase method =secure, I changed it to =quick14:11
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svuoreladfaure: do I make sense?14:15
dfaureit failed again, I'll try the above then14:15
svuorelaI gave up after it failing ~10 times for me14:17
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dfaurewhy did it work for those making the instructions....14:17
MohammadAGit worked for me on my old N95014:28
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hiemanshuMohammadAG: got your N950 yet?14:48
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MohammadAGhiemanshu, won't get it for another two weeks14:48
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dfauresvuorela: I'm completely confused ;) Where should I go exactly? ;)15:06
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* svuorela tries to remember. and look things up15:08
svuoreladfaure: - there is a extract-OCF function to extract the OCF into bits15:08
dfaureah ok15:09
svuorelathen look at the installer shellscript. even though it is a bash script and you are a zsh user, I guess you can figure it out anyways :)15:10
dfaurezsh is a superset of bash anyway :-)15:10
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djszapixarcass: After some investigation: you can only enable/disable alert vibras for each profile (Settings -> Sounds and vibration -> Vibration profile). You cannot change the strength of the vibra alerts.15:30
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xarcassdjszapi: that's a pity. I suspect Nokia will receive many complaints about that, because vibration is really weak. almost useless in my opinion. but thanks all the same.15:35
MohammadAGit was better in beta1 tbh15:35
xarcassMohammadAG: we are talking about N9 device, btw. i haven't got any experience with beta1 on the N915:37
djszapixarcass: indeed. Do not forget the fact there is not much work ongoing since the 11th of February.15:38
MohammadAGThe N9 and N950 have a similar motor, it was something that they changed in software15:38
xarcassdjszapi: taking this into account, the resulting device can be called perfect, without the fear of contradiction :)15:39
djszapixarcass: if there is no meego back then, and we are not working on two platforms at the same time, Harmattan could have rocked more :(15:40
xarcasscheer up, man. it rocks already. it maybe sucks a little in the area of vibration strength..15:41
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* xarcass hopes that MetaWatch will have proper support of the N915:44
MohammadAGit will, thanks to javispedro15:45
dfaureand now I get bb5_rdc_cert_read failed, the wiki only says this can happen, but not what to do about it15:46
MohammadAGmodprobe -r phonet and cdc_modem15:46
djszapidfaure: what did you do before that result ?15:47
dfaureMohammadAG: I have blacklisted and unloaded cdc_phonet already15:47
dfaurehmm phonet itself got loaded though15:47
* dfaure blacklists phonet and tries again15:49
dfauresame result15:49
MohammadAGlsmod | grep modem15:49
dfauredjszapi: apart from the blacklisting, I extracted the installer to change erase-mmc=secure to erase-mmc=quick, since secure fails15:49
dfaureMohammadAG: no result15:49
djszapidfaure: would you like to flash the beta2 image for N950 ? What is wrong about the official steps if you follow them ? What is the output exactly ?15:51
dfaureyes I'm trying to flash the beta 2 image to the N950.15:51
dfaureThe official steps lead to ERROR: Failed to erase MMC using 'secure' method15:51
djszapicheck sum is okay I guess, and you also tried on Windows ?15:52
dfaureno Windows seems to be my last option15:52
djszapiWindows worked in many cases, where Linux failed. I would even try a cold flash with an older flasher first.15:52
dfaureSUCCESS! Using an older flasher (but not cold flash). saved the day16:05
djszapidfaure: nifty ;)16:07
* Jaffa mutters about Nokia Store's QA requirements. Does anyone know what the "support site" has to do? Having it be a top-level page wasn't sufficient, neither is a bug tracker16:07
djszapidfaure: btw, do you have time and sake to join the KDE Harmattan sprint in Berlin ?16:07
dfauredjszapi: when is that?16:07
djszapione week before the akademy-fr16:08
dfaureoh boy, I need to order a few more clones16:10
KaadlajkJaffa: someone said that it automatically prepends http:// to support url so giving does not work because it becomes http://http://...16:10
* RST38h moos16:11
JaffaKaadlajk: If that's true I'd be so *utterly* pissed off.16:11
djszapidfaure: :P16:11
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RST38hJaffa: I have got a google group for the support site16:11
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RST38hJaffa: something to let users leave feedback16:12
KaadlajkJaffa: there was FAQ item about it but cant find it anymore :P maybe they fixed it16:12
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JaffaRST38h: And what have you got as the URL in the store? Does it start with "http://"?16:12
RST38hno longer remember, checking16:12
JaffaKaadlajk: Couldn't see any FAQ - but I may have missed it16:12
JaffaRST38h: thanks16:12
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spenapin my experience, I got that problem with a https:// url16:13
spenapthey put http:// before it16:13
RST38hthe site is utterly broken though16:13
RST38hI doubt they ever tested it16:13
spenapbut once that I used a http:// url, it worked fine16:13
RST38hbut then, I doubt they ever tested Android Market publishing console either16:14
Kaadlajktesting was probably outsourced to india16:14
RST38hJaffa: For fMSX, I have Support Website:
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RST38hJaffa: So, it has eaten http:// at least once for me16:14
* Jaffa really CBA to write a proper little micro-site for a clock which doesn't do anything except sit there. Even a bug tracker seems like overkill16:15
RST38hOnce again, a google group16:16
RST38hAnd you can keep the same group for all your products16:16
Kaadlajkthere it was16:16
* Jaffa has asked for clarification as to what it needs to have before bothering doing anything else. Maybe an FMC link would be sufficient, for example16:17
JaffaKaadlajk: Thanks16:17
JaffaThis is a one-line thing to only add it conditionally in whatever piece of crap runs the site. Rubbish.16:17
Kaadlajksomeone also said that is accepted as support website :-)16:18
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Kaadlajkalso obviously just email address wont work as support link, you really need website with email address16:21
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JaffaBut if the requirement is to "show your support email prominently" and I've had to enter a support email address; why doesn't *Nokia* show it nice and prominently?16:25
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DocScrutinizerJaffa: isn't it great? To publish a silly clock in OVI, you first run to your bank and mess with them to get a credit card to pay the 99ct to Nokia, then you set up a website for feedback and customer support. OMFG16:27
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DocScrutinizerGerman court has sentenced Ryan Air to not charge for payment methods other than credit card. Nokia doesn't even offer other payment methods16:30
SpeedEvilThat's to do with advertised prices not matching.16:31
SpeedEvilTheir latest wheeze in the UK is that they are trying to advertise a price - which you can get only if you sign up for their credit card.16:31
SpeedEvilWhich has fees if you don't use it, nd if you buy anything else on it.16:31
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DocScrutinizerwhatever it got to do with, I just frown on that asshat attitude that you're not a valid businessman without a credit card, and furthermore they aren't interested in contributions from those who aren't qualifying for their notion of real businessman16:33
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* dfaure added a link to the beta1 flasher in the wiki (n950_landing_page )16:35
DocScrutinizerhey, you can't even get sponsored participation on Nokia events without a credit card, as you need to pay hotel etc on your credit card and Nokia will payback ONLY on credit card16:35
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dfaureyeah it's not like we would be in the 21st century, credit cards are still pretty rare and hard to get... (!)16:36
DocScrutinizerdfaure: well there are several links ;-P e.g which also has the original of the extract-OCF function16:37
dfaurebut no instructions, compared to the link I added16:37
DocScrutinizerdfaure: and credit card are really hard to get, esp if you're not willing to sell your ass and soul to a bank or credit institute16:38
DocScrutinizerlook, I got no credit card, no gmail, and no facebook account. And I like to keep it this way16:40
RST38hDoc: Still got a TV though?16:41
Stskeepsand living in a cardboard box?16:42
DocScrutinizerand each honest business here in Europe offers a bank account to transfer arbitrary amounts of money to, for classic payment16:42
RST38hStskeeps <-- trolling16:42
JaffaAnyone know if the "Secondary & tertiary full-size screen shot" really are "required by N9 and RM-680"?16:42
JaffaHow many screenshots of a clock are needed?16:43
RST38hJaffa: yes16:43
RST38hshoot it at 15-minute intervals16:43
* Jaffa does a portrait one.16:43
DocScrutinizeradd a few nice porn16:43
JaffaSomeone's charging 1gbp for a "restart" app16:43
* RST38h wonders what Finnish language construct gottranslated into "secondary and tertiary"16:43
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DocScrutinizerStskeeps: no cardbox, but a 150yo building, nicely refurbished16:45
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: probably Nokia lives in a cardboard box, when they offer/require payment of 99ct with a credit card but don't offer e.g. paypal16:47
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: shh, don't let the truth come out about nokia offices16:47
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dfaurestupid question: how do I get a terminal on the n950? :-)16:57
artemmatap terminal icon :)16:57
griby installing the developer tools16:57
artemmathat is after u install developer tools16:57
grisettings -> security -> ...16:58
artemmaDocScrutinizer: 99cents is about verifying the person and getting a link to hunt him back if needed. Not everybody who can pay on paypal is requied to provide identity + nokia would have problems to get people through paypal16:58
dfaurehmm I guess this should be added to ;)16:59
grimy osx just hung up completely while entering a qt bug report (bad sign) ? pulled the plug16:59
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DocScrutinizerartemma: also would have problems to get people by backtracking usual bank money transfer?16:59
dfaurehmm developer mode says "installation package not found"17:00
gridfaure, go to settings -> programs and click the update sign17:01
lardmandfaure: good luck, I had to cold flash after it failed to install the dev tools17:01
gridfaure, this will do a apt-get update and your phone might be able to install developer tools after that17:01
dfauregri: didn't help, it says "device is up to date" :(17:02
gridfaure, this message does say nothing17:03
grieven if it didn't upgrade anything, it might now find the package (mine did)17:03
dfaureI did try again of course, and it failed17:03
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grihmm, ok ..17:04
dfaurenice catch 22, no terminal without this package, and no way to apt-get update by hand without a terminal17:04
grianyone here has a n9(50) and 2 minutes spare time to confirm a bug in qt-components for me?17:05
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DocScrutinizerI heard switching on and off (and back on ;-P) devel-mode helped17:07
DocScrutinizerpossibly with reboots in between17:08
DocScrutinizermaybe also update-checks in between17:08
MohammadAGso I accidentally changed the lock code of an iPhone and locked the owner out17:08
DocScrutinizerand maybe it's all a hoax17:08
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: congrats, get him a new one X-P17:08
lardmanlock code on an N950 vanishes with sufficient cold flashing and wiping of data17:09
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lardmanfor some reason17:09
DocScrutinizerfor reason of that's been a design goal17:09
DocScrutinizerat least it is on latest N900 FW17:10
DocScrutinizerlockcode is to secure your user data, not to brick the device17:10
DocScrutinizerbricking is like poisonous fish - just it won't take effect as evolution is too slow to produce a smarter kind of phone thieves17:12
dfaureamazing! now it found the package17:12
dfaureI didn't do anything, except for trying again after 8 minutes17:12
dfaureand now download fails. The website must be extra busy...17:12
lardmanDocscrutinizer:ah ok17:13
DocScrutinizerwich also isn't exactly anything new with maemo/nokia websites17:13
lardmandfaure: the issue I seemed to have was that the download was corrupt and it would therefore fail to install, and also not re-download17:14
DocScrutinizerlardman: nice17:14
DocScrutinizeruninstalling the corrupt pkg also doesn't help then :-S17:15
DocScrutinizeras there's nuttin to uninstall17:15
lardmanyep, was royally stuck17:15
DocScrutinizeryou *might* be able to remove the cached .deb17:16
lardmanyeah perhaps, but I'd need a filemanager with admin rights17:16
DocScrutinizererr, quite possibly, yes :-P17:17
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DocScrutinizercheers aegis17:17
faenilhi guys :)17:17
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: on the bright side: you may probably keep the locked fruitPhone then17:19
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: now imagine you publish a software that bricks maybe 3000 devices :-P17:20
DocScrutinizerdevelopers like the one publishing kernel-power-settings-GUI never were in a position where they did that commercially, so simply are denying the responsibility of app devels17:22
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DocScrutinizerNokia otoh is the complementary extreme, when they refuse to disclose hints about e.g the maximum temperature of battery cell where bme or any replacement of bme should shut down17:24
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, had to restore the whole device17:25
MohammadAGwhy couldn't it be easy to crack...17:25
DocScrutinizermaybe because apple really cares about their customers' data security a bit?17:26
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: btw you heard about Sony hack reloaded? :-D17:27
DocScrutinizerreal fun17:27
MohammadAGmy PS3's collecting dust tbh17:27
MohammadAGdon't have much time for games17:27
DocScrutinizerI'm not referring to any PS3 hack, I'm talking about another 95k customer data records ripped off by hackers17:28
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DocScrutinizerseems Sony's still practicing proper website administration :-P17:29
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DocScrutinizerwell, according to the mere words of Sony it's not been a successful attack, but then I'd say futile attacks are happening every day and nobody at Sony will blog about it17:35
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oprwwwhello, could somebody point me where's the file/db containing sms messages on N9?18:16
radiofreeit's stored in tracker18:17
radiofreeoprwww: more directly
oprwwwradiofree, thank you!18:18
griYou could also use libcommhistory, if you want to display them18:21
oprwwwactually, I have a xml sms dump from my winmo phone, I thought I could edit that list and import all of them into N918:22
oprwwwcan't that be done via sqlite insert queries?18:23
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griI would use the commhistory api to insert them18:23
grithat won't break anything if you have a typo18:23
radiofreeyou could do it using qsparql insert queries as well, if you wanted to do it directly18:23
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oprwwwsparql is something very new to me :)18:24
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oprwwwN9 is such a candy, btw18:25
oprwwwok, will dig into commhistory and qsparql, thank you guys18:26
grithat's my code for inserting a new sms into the history18:26
oprwwwI might use some parts of it, thanks18:27
oprwwwanother question btw, how do you think is it possible to hook receiving of a sms message to modify it before storing and displaying?18:32
grioprwww, It's not possible18:33
gribut you can surpress the notification and change it18:33
oprwwwI want to scan a SMS for matching phone numbers in phonebook and replace those numbers with the contact name18:33
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grithat might be possible since you receive the message, and you can change it before the user can click on the notification18:34
oprwwwhope so18:35
griit works :) I actually receive a message and my program replaces the action which gets called when clicking the notification -> so my program opens instead of the default messaging application18:36
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javispedromoo gentlemen.18:42
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DocScrutinizergri: nice18:51
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djszapiStskeeps: there are news not OEM1 signed image flashing might not be available on these devices by flasher. I hope that is not going to be the case. I cannot right now flash not OEM1 signed image onto my N950. :/19:07
djszapiThat would be an exclusive point for the Mer hardware adaptation layer.19:07
Stskeepsyou can't flash a non-OEM1 image, yes, of course19:08
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Stskeepsdjszapi:its possible to flash own kernel and load own initrd on oem1 n950, but you cannot flash nokia non oem1 images19:29
djszapiThat is good since the community images will not be Nokia images, probably.19:31
Stskeepsdjszapi: yes19:31
djszapiStskeeps: you already experimented with an own kernel (and maybe also with initrd) previously ?19:31
Stskeepsdjszapi: yes, i have a kernel and initrd tat exports whole emmc over usb19:32
Stskeepsdjszapi: unsigned of course19:32
djszapiokay, thanks :)19:35
Stskeepsshould work on n9 too..19:35
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svuorelahey. has anyone made gold in the 'alchemist'-game ?19:40
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javispedrogot old on TMO that my fmrx CLI app works on the N9 :D19:57
javispedroin the positive sense :)19:59
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DocScrutinizerwell, I wonder if Ronan got my mail regarding hw-eval N920:01
javispedroDocScrutinizer: ah, just read about it, good luck!20:02
javispedroDocScrutinizer: have you described the differences between n9 and n950 in that regard somewhere?20:02
DocScrutinizermeh, I sent a signed DLA or whatever it's called, and no reply since20:02
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: I can't describe the differences, as hw of N950 is more unclear than ever20:03
javispedroThe wheels of bureaucracy...20:03
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javispedroah :(20:03
javispedroit'll probably never be clear the...20:03
DocScrutinizerafter I found out about TPS65951 and the missing hw kbd IF there, I just gave up on it as 65950 variant is clearly missing a few signals that are highly relevant for hostmode/boost20:05
DocScrutinizerso either N950 has the 51 variant and a dedicated kbd IF, or it has 50 and a pretty unclear USB & charging circuitry20:06
DocScrutinizerand even telling it apart is not exactly easy, and wouldn't help much in the end as we still don't know about the n950 schematics20:07
DocScrutinizerit's probably easier to get h-e-n working on N9, and then trying what's going to happen when we "backport" this to N95020:08
DocScrutinizeras for N9 there are schematics, for 950 not though20:09
DocScrutinizerwhich is quite a bit weird20:09
DocScrutinizerbut MEH20:09
javispedroand a complete pity20:09
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javispedrosigh, I already said why the Nokia Tune Contest was one of the most horrible ideas ever made virtually a month ago, and now everyone's surprised the result is equally horrible?20:13
fralspretty nice amount of publicity for nokia anyway20:17
fralsand since the 'new' tune is not meant to replace the old one... well20:17
javispedroand someone might actually enjoy some of the other finalists
ajalkaneNokia's long been operating under the assumption that even bad publicity is good20:18
* javispedro likes #220:18
fralsno such thing as bad publicity (until elop came along ;()20:18
* javispedro is happy, it only took one year for acer to finally ship drivers compatible with win7 sp1 (the laptop originally had win7 sp0)20:19
fralsyeah #2 is nice20:19
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javispedro(hm, not one year, just 8 months)20:21
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javispedrohm, did the n950 export MTP via USB previously?20:46
javispedrooh, in PC Suite mode I guess.20:46
fralssync and connect gives mtp20:46
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GeneralAntillesjavispedro, hey-oh.20:51
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javispedrohello GeneralAntilles20:52
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, so I was thinking about an application menu for the watch.20:56
GeneralAntillesCan we just duplicate the settings menu setup on the watch and use that to select watchlets?20:56
javispedroI think I plan to do that on longpressing20:56
griHow long does the watch battery last with bluetooth on?20:57
javispedroI was going to copy the menu from but I like that idea more20:57
GeneralAntillesThis way we get pretty icons.20:58
javispedrogri: between 3 and 5 days. usually, n950 dies first.20:58
GeneralAntillesI've been charging nightly, so I couldn't report anything useful.20:58
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GeneralAntillesIt's never gotten low, though.20:58
javispedroI turn BT off (actually, the N950) during the night so my figures are not accurate either20:59
griand what's the fastest refresh rate on the watch? the one I saw with the y-rotating Q in your video, right?21:00
javispedroa bit faster than that, but not much21:01
javispedrodepends on the number of lines21:01
javispedro*modified lines.21:01
javispedroexpect something like 10ms per modified line plus a 25ms delay per frame21:01
javispedroGeneralAntilles: has it crashed on you since you reflashed?21:02
GeneralAntillesOnce everything went really weird21:02
GeneralAntillesBut that was the day my N950 was turning itself off, too.21:02
GeneralAntillesSo, meh.21:02
javispedroturning itself off doesn't sound right :S21:02
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GeneralAntillesDid it 4 times in the span of about 2 hours last week.21:03
DocScrutinizerlo gan21:08
GeneralAntillesHey, DocScrutinizer.21:08
DocScrutinizer(everything weird) cosmic rays21:10
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DocScrutinizer(shut down BT) aiui you simply can't do that for the watch, and for N950 it doesn't matter, neither for the N950 nor for the watch. As - if I got it right - the watch is just listening all the time and that's pretty cheap on bat21:12
melleHi all, a quick note: You can import an .ics file (e.g. your old N900 calendar) by emailing it to your device and tapping it.21:12
javispedroDocScrutinizer: you can shut down BT on the watch, but you are right in that it is not very noticeable21:12
melleCould anyone point me to the location of notes? I'd like to import my notes from my n900...21:13
DocScrutinizermelle: great finding, add it to wiki21:13
DocScrutinizeryeah, well... notes... seems severely fsckd up21:14
javispedrothe n900 had two notes apps actually21:14
javispedrothe ones in the calendar app (sqlite db iirc) and the ones in the notes app (.txt files)21:14
DocScrutinizeriirc somebody claimed there's simply no files at all for notes21:14
javispedrothe n950' notes app probably does sqlite/tracker21:14
mellejavispedro: i mean the notes app (producing .txt and .note.html files)21:14
DocScrutinizermissing that on HARM21:15
DocScrutinizerbasically that notes "app" on HARM is useless21:16
* javispedro would disagree, but we've been over that already21:16
javispedroI also ponder why they did not spin Tasks into its own launcher icon21:17
javispedromaybe mailing oneself a .txt file will causes notes to import it? that's how it worked in PalmOS ;P21:19
faenildowngrading to beta1 has no drawbacks right?21:20
faenilI mean no side effects21:21
javispedrodoes that work? you willing to try? :D21:21
DocScrutinizerwell, if you want to bring a minimum of structure to your notes (photos, whatever, for this topic) you need to invent your own markup language and include tags like "$$PATH:job/location3/room5/first-vist" to your notes and photos and whatnot, so you can "find" it via tracker - thanks to Nokia inventing the end of filesystem21:21
javispedroNokia hardly invented it ;P21:22
javispedrofaenil: if you want to try, do tell what happened. on N900 times, worst that could happen was that you where left without cellmo until you reflashed to the latest one again21:24
DocScrutinizerand quite obviously things like renaming, deletion, moving, uploading etc are pretty hard as you need to reinvent all those operations and the tools for it for every other tracker object again21:24
javispedrofaenil: but I dunno about n950.21:24
faeniljavispedro: okay thanks, it's flashing ;)21:24
DocScrutinizerfaenil: common legend is it can't be done21:25
faenilDocScrutinizer: yeah...21:26
faenilDocScrutinizer: I think beta1 is better, so I'm going back..21:26
DocScrutinizeryou're *trying* to go back :-D21:26
faenilexactly xd21:26
javispedrowe might be surprised21:26
faenilstill "erasing"21:26
rayyendo you NEED a kernelmodule to be able to disable aegis?21:26
faenilI actually thought someone had already done this xD21:27
DocScrutinizerif standard OCF 22-6 fails, try using 34-2 flasher with 22-6 image, and do a coldflash21:27
faenilwhat's a coldflash21:27
DocScrutinizerrayyen: yes, pretty much21:27
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DocScrutinizerfaenil: coldflash is loading NOLO from flasher to RAM and executes it, rather than using the existing NOLO on device21:28
DocScrutinizer(simplified picture)21:28
DocScrutinizerthere's an option (actually a set of options) for coldflashing in flasher tool21:29
javispedroI've noticed that Win8 also kinda uses Swipe21:30
faenilDocScrutinizer: oh ok thanks, yeah had seen the option in the flasher21:30
javispedroeven the lock screen shares the "bounce" animation that hints you have to swipe it when you tap on it21:30
javispedroand ignoring the windows key/button, swiping is the only way to go back to home/desktop21:31
rayyenmtd0-6 what/when is it used? since you can nanddump it.. Probably not gonna help me with aegis but.. just curios21:31
* DocScrutinizer waits for next patent battle21:31
javispedrorayyen: cat /proc/mtd21:31
rayyenjavispedro, aah, thanks.21:32
javispedroDocScrutinizer: remember Elop? No patent battle for sure ...21:32
DocScrutinizerand you *could* even nandwrite it if aegis would allow21:32
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: AAAH me silly21:32
DocScrutinizerstay away from nandtest though!!! seriously! it's doing a stresstest on NAND and may kill your device AIUI21:34
rayyenheh, havent had the balls to touch test/write :P21:34
faenilI got a bb5_rdc_cert_read certificate error21:35
faenilafter erasing process finished21:36
faeniland got a "Downgrade disallowed"21:36
javispedroDocScrutinizer: hmm, not sure aegis will actually prevent writes to NAND21:36
javispedroDocScrutinizer: expect cal area21:36
DocScrutinizer#define paegis aegis-policy21:37
rayyenSo you would be able to modify/patch the kernel and nandwrite it back? :P21:37
javispedrowell, yes, but it'll be the same as flashing it.21:38
faenilis it ok if I stop the "erasing" process?21:38
faenilI don't want to wait 15 more minutes21:38
DocScrutinizerit will leave you with a messed up device that needs another flash21:39
DocScrutinizerpossibly need a coldflash to recover21:39
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DocScrutinizerif it was NOLO that got fsck'd by aborting flash21:40
javispedrodoes coldflash work on the n950?21:40
DocScrutinizerwhy not?21:40
DocScrutinizerflasher supports it, OMAP supports it21:40
faenilokay I'll wait for it to stop erasing this time,..21:41
DocScrutinizerand basically it's the only way to bootstrap a wiped device - where wiped also is the state a device fals off the anuf line21:42
DocScrutinizermanufacturing line*21:42
javispedrobtw, got open-rdate working under aegis21:43
DocScrutinizerwhatever that is21:43
rayyenhas nokia said anything as to why they decided to use aegis? Elop?21:43
javispedroimplements "quick and dirty" NTP time syncing among other things21:43
javispedro~= ntpdate21:43
SpeedEvilIt was before Elop.21:43
SpeedEvilAegis makes sense if you expect the platform to be rolled out to a billion phones.21:44
SpeedEvilIt means you can do credential review, without doing sourcecode reviews.21:44
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DocScrutinizerwould make sense, if implemented and configured in a way ok for that purpose - which HARM evidently isn't21:45
SpeedEvilBut they were making comments about aegis-like at n900 launch21:46
DocScrutinizerbad enough that nobody stopped them back when21:46
DocScrutinizerit was inevitable the whole thing ended like this21:47
DocScrutinizereven if aegis was implemented in a way it would allow pretty much of andridiot-alike user control over credentials an app requests, it still is mighty enough to make *somebody* mess up paegis so you get a comedy-OS like HARM21:51
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merlin1991javispedro: got open-rdate packaged somewhere?22:02
javispedroyep, just need to upload it22:02
javispedroa moment, I'm in the middle of some important discovery :)22:02
merlin1991my genius provider doesn't supply time info, so my phones are constantly out of time :/22:03
rayyenjavispedro, tell me its related to aegis :P22:03
rayyenkilling aegisfs is not the best thing to do..22:04
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javispedrorayyen: yes22:23
grioh god, it took me about 3 or 4 evenings just to write a shitty contact selector like in messaging-ui:
rayyenjavispedro,was it hard?22:26
javispedroas in, building a kernel..22:27
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rayyenjavispedro, so building a kernelimage and just flashing the kernel and it worked?22:34
tarantismjavispedro: sssuperstar!22:34
javispedrorayyen: the one I tried had lizardo's patch, want to try what happens with an unchanged one22:35
thpjavispedro: btw, would you accept a patch for sowatch that would make it possible to override the built-in qml ui files from files in the filesystem? (for experimenting with different UIs without the need for recompiling)22:35
rayyenjavispedro, great work, anyway. :)22:37
* Arkenoi wonders WHY does my cellular connection once a few day reset to "manual" mode, *very* annoying22:37
Arkenoionce a few days even22:37
Arkenoiand why i kept being asked to re-enter online service credentials once a week or so22:38
javispedrothp: oh, note that the idea is that apps should be in separate .so files22:39
javispedrothp: but it's a good idea, ok22:39
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javispedro(in fact I wish such an override could be made for every qt quick app!)22:39
javispedrothp: you have a digital watch?22:40
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thpthp: yep digital22:44
thpjavispedro: i actually have the patch here, but i'll clean it up a bit more and then submit a merge request (I guess that's the easiest for you too?)22:44
Arkenoiah, i still haven't order the watch, should do it now..22:45
javispedrowoah, so many metawatch owners =)22:45
javispedro#metawatch hint,hint ;P22:45
thpjavispedro: i actually ordered it only after seeing GeneralAntilles' video of your app ;)22:46
GeneralAntillesI need to make more videos22:46
javispedrokiller app22:46
GeneralAntillesGonna try to do a interview-style overview video in the 3-5 minute range.22:46
Arkenoican i read sms from it? see appointment alerts?22:46
GeneralAntillesSince we just got a couple of lav mics to play with.22:46
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GeneralAntillesArkenoi, currently you can't read previous SMSes from it (trivial fix)22:47
GeneralAntillesbut it does throw alerts.22:47
javispedroArkenoi: with my stock app you cannot do much, but you can create apps in qml, so anything you can do in QML you can in the watch22:47
GeneralAntillesArkenoi, ultimately it's just a dumb display on your wrist22:47
javispedroGeneralAntilles: in the latest git there's an app that reviews "current" notifications22:47
GeneralAntillesso you can have the phone feed it whatever you want.22:47
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, sweet.22:47
javispedrostill pretty raw though22:47
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, can you do watchlets purely in QML?22:47
Arkenoiso anything that gets on notification screen will be thrown to the watch?22:48
javispedroGeneralAntilles: technically, no, but the C++ you can reuse22:48
javispedroGeneralAntilles: (similar to development on the N950, there's C++ that creates a QML viewer)22:48
javispedro(that you can reuse)22:48
GeneralAntillesRight, should create a Qt SDK template for that.22:49
javispedroArkenoi: everything, including 3rd party22:49
javispedrosowatch users can try with the MTF widgetsgallery notifications page22:49
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Arkenoigrrr, annoying registration just to check out22:49
Arkenoiwhy not just use paypal?22:49
zehjotkahtesting irc-chatter on the n95022:50
javispedrohi zehjotkah22:50
GeneralAntillesArkenoi, because who wants to fork over more money to eBay?22:50
zehjotkahhi javis :)22:50
thpjavispedro: btw, does sowatch support/expose the accelerometer/vibra already to the QML environment?22:52
Arkenoii would happily pay extra $2 or whatever just to bypass registration, creating username, password,etc etc22:52
javispedrothp: vibra yes, not accelerometer22:52
Arkenoireally hate that22:52
javispedroactually, I've not done any experiments with the accelerometer yet..22:52
javispedroneither with the light sensor22:53
GeneralAntillesjavispedro, so I was thinking about ways to use the light sensor22:55
GeneralAntillesCould you have the LED kick on when a new notification comes in if the ambient light level is right?22:56
rcgjavispedro: how did you get that: Current mode: open?22:57
thpGeneralAntilles: i'd even suggest always enable the led for a few seconds for notifications - shouldn't be too bad in terms of battery usage22:57
GeneralAntillesthp, you could, but I'm not sure I'd really want it to during daylight hours.22:58
* javispedro bbl22:58
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SpeedEvilthp: unless prox sensor is on22:59
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kgutteridgeHi, I am making a Qt Quick App for a harmattan device, is there any easy way of selecting a pre existing large sql lite database and exposing its content to QTQuick, I assume I probably need a C++ bridge or similar23:25
thpkgutteridge: you could use the local storage api directly from qml, but you would need to copy the sqlite file into the right location first23:27
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thpesp. the comment by mbrasser23:28
melleHi all, does anyone know where the notes are stored? I can't seem to find any related files, but that might be due to my lack of understanding of tracker... (Anyone got a primer on that too?)23:28
kgutteridgethp: thanks will take a read, the databases are over 10meg so I assume will fail to use html 5 esque storage techniques23:28
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kgutteridgethp: most useful, will give it a whirl23:32
kgutteridgethp: may very well owe you a virtual beer :)23:32
javispedroMohammadAG: there?23:32
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Venemojavispedro, congrats for open mode! is there an easy way I can install it?23:47
javispedroVenemo: still experimenting, but you can flash one of those:
Venemojavispedro, in a rhetorical sense of course. I have no N950 at the moment to install it to.23:47
Venemojavispedro, ok, thanks :)23:48
Venemojavispedro, what is "lizardo's patch"?23:52
Venemonice, nice23:53
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merlin1991javispedro: did you up the rdate?23:54
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