IRC log of #harmattan for Wednesday, 2011-10-12

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faenil	hi everyone :)	01:12
faenil	is there any smart way to backup/restore contacts on n950?	01:12
faenil	better with an online service..	01:12
rcg2	well the smart way starts by not using the built in backup feature	01:13
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faenil	heard about that :)	01:15
faenil	is there any way I can sync to google contacts or something like that?	01:15
ajalkane	i synced to google contacts, worked fine	01:16
faenil	how?	01:16
ajalkane	I use MfE for syncing to google calendar and contacts	01:16
ajalkane	servet address m.google.com and yoi"re good to go	01:18
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faenil_	got disconnected...	01:18
faenil_	did you write anything else?	01:18
ajalkane	secure connection, domain is empty	01:19
faenil_	ok..never used mfe :)	01:20
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ajalkane	the login username might have to be full google e-mail, don't remember	01:22
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faenil_	ajalkane: thanks	01:30
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faenil_	what about Nokia Link? has anyone ever used it on the n950?	01:42
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faenil_	I can't get beyond phonet...	02:16
faenil_	is anyone online?	02:16
faenil_	it flashes ape, and then disconnects	02:16
faenil_	..	02:16
SpeedEvil	Online, but no clue	02:19
SpeedEvil	I vaguely remember for one attempt, I had to make it not able to load a module on te PC	02:19
faenil_	mmm	02:20
DocScrutinizer	modprobe -r ehci_hcd	02:21
DocScrutinizer	or sth like that	02:21
faenil_	using windows...	02:21
DocScrutinizer	modprobe -r cdc_phonet as well	02:21
DocScrutinizer	errr, NFC then	02:21
faenil_	but I'll probably boot ubuntu if I can't solve this problem in the next 5 mins..	02:22
DocScrutinizer	though I guess the root cause is the same, I can't tell how to work around it on err what's it caled? windoze	02:24
faenil_	xD	02:24
faenil_	so what's the problem in your opinion	02:25
DocScrutinizer	the ehci USB2.0 driver	02:25
DocScrutinizer	or the phonet driver that comes with nokia suite on windoof	02:25
DocScrutinizer	both are known to (sometimes) interfere with flashing	02:27
DocScrutinizer	but I have not the slightest idea how to do a modprobe -r on windoze	02:27
DocScrutinizer	I.E. how to unload a driver	02:27
DocScrutinizer	otoh the phonet driver probably is mandatory on win when flashing with nokia suite or whatever that's called	02:28
faenil_	that's a bit tricky...win keeps saving the most updated driver somewhere	02:28
faenil_	I have Nokia Connectivity cable drivers installed...those that come with the flasher	02:29
faenil_	I think I'd better switch to ubuntu	02:29
faenil_	brb	02:29
DocScrutinizer	I suggest you ignore my random noise, as I got no idea about win anyway	02:29
faenil_	;)	02:30
faenil_	better try on ubunut	02:30
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faenil	back on ubuntu	02:36
faenil	anybody got linux flasher package?	02:36
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faenil	DocScrutinizer: is Flasher 3.5 okay ?	02:38
DocScrutinizer	err, dunno. I got flasher from expanded one-click-flasher file, and I suggest to use one-click-flasher anyway	02:40
faenil	okay...how can I expand it?	02:40
faenil	downloading oneclick flasher	02:40
DocScrutinizer	for expanding see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/myimages/ - but I guess you don't want to do that	02:41
faenil	want to try flashing without oneclick :)	02:42
faenil	shouldn't be hard...it's oneline command..	02:42
DocScrutinizer	(extract-OCF.sh there, and the extracted 22-6 and 34-2 OCF in the corresponding subdirs)	02:42
faenil	okay downloaded flasher.bin from the extracted 22-6	02:42
DocScrutinizer	dunno if tha one works for beta2 aka 34-2 at all	02:44
DocScrutinizer	you'll see	02:45
faenil	ok...	02:45
faenil	does the flasher work on 64bit os?	02:45
DocScrutinizer	dunno	02:45
DocScrutinizer	34-2 has a 64bit version	02:46
DocScrutinizer	flasher_amd64.tar.gz	02:46
faenil	yeah there's the bin too	02:47
faenil	what about drivers? is everything already installed on ubuntu?	02:50
faenil	okay same problem on ubuntu...stops at phonet, after phonet/bootloader	02:52
faenil	after bootloader/phonet	02:52
DocScrutinizer	lsmod\|grep hci	02:54
DocScrutinizer	modprobe -r ehaci_hcd (check spelling!)	02:54
faenil	ahci and libahci	02:55
DocScrutinizer	http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2011-10-07.log.html#t2011-10-07T14:44:56	02:56
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faenil	FATAL: module is builtin	02:57
faenil	so modprobe did not work..	03:00
faenil	the fact is...it sends the APE-algo image, then shuts off	03:01
DocScrutinizer	sorry, tired right now	03:02
faenil	np ;) thanks anyway...	03:02
DocScrutinizer	try different usb port, preferrably backside. try good cable. try an older distro version or another distro	03:02
faenil	but it's the same error on win and ubuntu, I don't think it's the distro...	03:03
DocScrutinizer	try a different machine even	03:03
faenil	I tried on all usb ports xD	03:03
faenil	Yeah, better try on the desktop	03:03
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DocScrutinizer	I heard laptops have several internal USB-connected "peripherals" and for that use internal USB hubs, often. Flashing however occasionally conflicts with hubs	03:06
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faenil	I am trying on desktop now...it has not even the time to install flashing drivers...because it soon appears "device has been disconnected"...	03:13
DocScrutinizer	never seen that	03:18
DocScrutinizer	so I assume you're talking about winshit again	03:19
* merlin1991 can't stop playing around with the n9		03:21
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faenil	yes	03:24
faenil	but the thing is, I get the same error	03:24
faenil	with different USB cable drivers, and usb ports, and machine	03:24
DocScrutinizer	:shrug:	03:26
DocScrutinizer	use winXP	03:26
merlin1991	try some live cd like knoppix, or the ubuntu live cd	03:27
DocScrutinizer	and USE OCF!	03:27
faenil	DocScrutinizer: why would OCF change anything? It's just a .bat (batch commands) + same bin files...	03:28
DocScrutinizer	exactly, and iirc it does some additional module unloading etc	03:29
DocScrutinizer	plus I got no f*ng clue where from you got a stand-alone flasher under wincrap	03:31
DocScrutinizer	and I'm afk now	03:32
faenil	I got it from the OneClickFlasher man...just extracted it, and I got the images and the flasher....	03:34
faenil	-.-	03:34
faenil	plus, the oneclickflasher does no module unloading in windows...it just reads device with -i	03:34
faenil	then does -a and -f	03:34
ieatlint	faenil: to confirm, you try to flash your n950 with the OCF from nokia's public site, and after sending the ape image it turns off the phone and the flasher sits saying something like "waiting for phonon..." forever?	03:45
faenil	yes but I'm not trying with the OCF, I'm trying with files from the OCF...	03:47
ieatlint	yeah, give up :P	03:47
faenil	lol :D	03:47
ieatlint	it's a certificate issue	03:47
faenil	is it? :O	03:47
ieatlint	your device is rejecting it	03:47
faenil	why should it?	03:48
ieatlint	actually, i'm not sure if it's the device or the flasher	03:48
ieatlint	i don't have a detailed explanation of why	03:48
ieatlint	i've run into this before, and i was told by a nokian that it was not a bug, but by design	03:48
faenil	-.-	03:49
faenil	thanks for the info anyway :)	03:49
ieatlint	feel free to keep trying.. if you succeed, i'll be very interested :)	03:50
ieatlint	you won't hurt anything as i understand	03:50
faenil	:)	03:50
faenil	atm, I'm flashing with OCF, and it's working now...	03:51
faenil	it's very late (2:51 am here) and lectures at uni start in 6 hours...I think I'll be a zombie when I wake up xD	03:51
ieatlint	drunk and or tired is the perfect time to flash your phone :)	03:52
faenil	exactly xD	03:52
ieatlint	especially drunk... sometimes you need that impaired judgement to convince yourself to try an image	03:52
faenil	hahhahaha	03:52
faenil	Erasing, it may take a while....	03:53
faenil	come on....hurry up I need to sleep! XD	03:54
ieatlint	should've skipped the erase operation :P	03:55
faenil	right xD	03:56
faenil	the ocf did not ask about it xD	03:56
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faenil	flashed..	04:05
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MohammadAG	so apparently I won't be getting my N950 until two weeks	10:55
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w00t	on the upside, at least you're getting it, i guess	11:04
MohammadAG	w00t, it's in Israel, in customs	11:07
* w00t saw that from the other day		11:08
jreznik	MohammadAG: two weeks in customs? sad :(	11:08
MohammadAG	jreznik, it's been there for 4 days and a 10 day holiday starts tomorrow	11:08
rcg	hmmz.. sounds pretty silly for a loan device for which you shouldn't need to pay taxes after all	11:09
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* jreznik remembers marketing materials for Gnome 3 release party - it was stuck at customs for free weeks, billion calls, and they wanted certificate from ministry of agriculture that the Gnome balloons are wealthy etc...		11:09
rcg	sometimes governmental regulations drive you mad :(	11:10
jreznik	yep	11:10
djszapi	yeah, so not worth making a fuss, just accept it. :)	11:10
jreznik	djszapi: you have to accept it but when you have to pay taxes and custom duty for free media you've received as part of Fedora ambassador programs to be given away for free... yes, this happened a few weeks ago... free medias was worth a few hundred euros of taxes :)))	11:11
djszapi	that is a different story.	11:13
xarcass	Is there anybody who knows what could be done about vibration level on the N9? DocScrutinizer have told me once to take a look into mce.ini file, but i've found nothing relevant there..	11:19
Stskeeps	isn't there a setting for vibration level..?	11:20
djszapi	jreznik: I understand your frustration about the Fedora ambassador deal, though. That is a very unfortunate situation.	11:23
DocScrutinizer	vibra pattern	11:24
jreznik	djszapi: yeah, different story but customs are always non-deterministic :) thanks for no borders in EU :)	11:24
DocScrutinizer	which control level over time	11:24
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xarcass	and where could this vibra pattern be found, if this is at all possible?	11:28
xarcass	Stskeeps: for now, there isn't such setting. otherwise i wouldn't have asked :)	11:29
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djszapi	xarcass: at least I can set the vibration levels in the settings page.	11:32
w00t	there is a setting.. sounds and vibration in the settings app, scroll down, and set them to whatever level you want	11:32
djszapi	at least with the prototype in market.	11:33
dfaure	How do I connect the N950 to a WEP/WPA wifi network? It only talks about a pushbutton method and a PIN method... I want to enter a passphrase instead	11:33
xarcass	djszapi: I haven't had any doubts that you could :) Question was how mere mortals could also achieve this	11:33
djszapi	xarcass: same, settings	11:34
djszapi	dfaure: it will ask the password automatically.	11:34
djszapi	if it realizes that sort of network encryption.	11:34
dfaure	after I choose "skip wifi protected setup"?	11:34
djszapi	for instance, it now asks me for WPA pre-shared key if I choose that network.	11:35
xarcass	djszapi: all I can see in section "Vibration profile" is three "switches" - no level settings. There is also "Feedback" section, but this is irrelevant, I suppose	11:35
djszapi	Settings/Sound and vibration/Touch_screen_vibration (at the bottom)	11:36
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xarcass	djszapi: it's called "Feedback" in my case. There are three controls: 'System sounds', 'Touch screen tones' and 'Touch screen vibration'. Which ones should I adjust to increase vibration level in cases of incoming calls and messages. btw, i don't need touch feedback - it just scares me :)	11:39
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djszapi	xarcass: that is weird. Do you have an N9 from stock ?	11:39
xarcass	I was even among first 100 who bought it in our country :) It was an official Nokia event, with champagne, music and all that stuff	11:41
djszapi	Which country, Denmark or something else ?	11:41
xarcass	Russia	11:41
djszapi	can you tell me please the software version you see in the about dialog ?	11:41
djszapi	I try to flash exactly the same and try out. :)	11:42
xarcass	10.2011.34-1_PR_001	11:42
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DocScrutinizer	xarcass: sorry, you're right - there's obviously no more vibra-patterns in HARM mce.ini	11:46
jreznik	hmm, looks like n9 has a same issue with signal :)	11:47
djszapi	xarcass: I have that vibration on my N950 with the relevant week image.	11:48
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xarcass	djszapi: so all I have to do is to sit and wait for an update, I suppose. so be it.	11:49
djszapi	xarcass: I did not mean to say that ;) I would ask the customer service.	11:49
djszapi	imho, it should already be there.	11:50
xarcass	djszapi: thanks for all your concerns and patience	11:51
MohammadAG	vibration level of what?	11:51
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: pineapples?	11:52
MohammadAG	no really	11:52
MohammadAG	ringtones, keyboard feedback...?	11:52
DocScrutinizer	ringtones (AIUI)	11:52
djszapi	MohammadAG: 11:36 < djszapi> Settings/Sound and vibration/Touch_screen_vibration (at the bottom)	11:52
MohammadAG	afaik those are hardcoded	11:52
DocScrutinizer	LOL	11:53
MohammadAG	djszapi, that's what you said, not what he asked	11:53
djszapi	11:19 < xarcass> Is there anybody who knows what could be done about vibration level on the N9?	11:53
djszapi	that is what can be done ...	11:53
MohammadAG	and I asked vibration level of what	11:54
djszapi	and I told more times.	11:54
MohammadAG	sigh...	11:54
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: /ignore	11:54
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: makes life a whole lot easier	11:54
DocScrutinizer	~djs	11:55
infobot	from memory, djs is http://fun.sdinet.de/pics/english/conversation-flowchart.jpg	11:55
xarcass	MohammadAG: you can scroll up a couple of pages :) I needed to increase vibration level in cases of incoming calls and messages. That's all.	11:57
djszapi	sorry, but what is the question yet ? It was said what could be done about vibration altogether.	11:58
MohammadAG	xarcass, that's either hardcoded, or somewhere that's not mce.ini	11:59
MohammadAG	in any way, it's not in the UI	11:59
MohammadAG	oh right	12:00
MohammadAG	the default ringtones use Immersion haptic feedback stuff	12:00
MohammadAG	you'll need to make .ivt files and stick them in /usr/share/sounds/vibra	12:00
MohammadAG	I'm not sure if there's OSS software to do that	12:01
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xarcass	MohammadAG: as I've understood it, it's not in my UI and that this isn't normal	12:01
MohammadAG	it's not in anyone's UI xarcass	12:01
djszapi	xarcass: yes, that is true. I admit, that is about the feedbacks.	12:03
djszapi	but that is all what can be done on the Ui back to the original question.	12:03
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MohammadAG	his original question was about vibration (of ringtones)	12:04
MohammadAG	don't confuse him	12:04
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xarcass	djszapi: yep, i've tried this right now. doesn't work with ringtones	12:04
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djszapi	The original question was this: 11:19 < xarcass> Is there anybody who knows what could be done about vibration level on the N9? -> It was said what can be done in the Ui..	12:07
DocScrutinizer	jreznik: I just wonder how that :) smiley managed to make it on your depressing news statement	12:08
DocScrutinizer	I'd feel rather pissed to shell out what? 600 EUR for a phone with signal issues	12:10
MohammadAG	djszapi, don't be too anal about he asked the question	12:10
MohammadAG	about how*	12:10
Stskeeps	n9 has signal issues?	12:11
DocScrutinizer	[2011-10-12 10:47:56] <jreznik> hmm, looks like n9 has a same issue with signal :)	12:11
MohammadAG	I'm considering buying an iPod touch	12:11
MohammadAG	do I sound insane?	12:11
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: curious	12:11
xarcass	well, i just don't use touch feedback, so I assumed that there is no other use of vibration other than ringtones and other notifications	12:11
Stskeeps	jreznik: could you for fun try to disable the power saving mode?	12:12
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: to me you sound insane all the time :-P Might relate to my /ignores though	12:12
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: good thinking	12:13
DocScrutinizer	though PSM is meant to ensure voice connectivity	12:13
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: no, it affects more than that	12:13
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: think it's actually unrelated	12:14
DocScrutinizer	sure	12:14
DocScrutinizer	it is meant to reduce all power hogs to ensure GSM gets the last 30% (or whatever you set it to, up to 50%) of battery exclusively	12:15
DocScrutinizer	so if your battery goes to "reserve" level, everything but GSM voice runs on a reduced level or gets completely disabled	12:16
* xarcass remembers his nokia 3310 which jumped like a crazy frog while vibrating		12:16
DocScrutinizer	completely sane, unless you abuse it to switch off connectivity when you think you don't need it	12:16
DocScrutinizer	(which was the proposition somebody here stated and made me swear about Nokia engineers' sanity while those probably were completely innocent)	12:17
DocScrutinizer	xarcass: on N9* we got an accelerometer that could in theory sense that jumping and reduce vibra strength accordingly until the device stops jumping ;-D	12:22
DocScrutinizer	xarcass: know those otto engines with dynamic ignition time adjustment, that push back the time your compressed gas gets ignited until a knock sensor doesn't detect any more knocking due to early explosion?	12:23
xarcass	DocScrutinizer: it vibrates so weak that I don't believe that there's so sensible accelerometer installed to even notice this vibration	12:25
DocScrutinizer	jumping of device also will cause "knocking" (on impact on the table) that could get detected and reduces vibra strength in turn	12:25
DocScrutinizer	ooh the lis302 is good enough for that	12:26
djszapi	xarcass: I will ask from my colleagues whether it is possible somehow.	12:28
djszapi	if you are also fine with command line "hack".	12:28
* DocScrutinizer runs to hand in the patent papers for this, before inventwithnokia snatches away the idea and does it		12:29
xarcass	DocScrutinizer: i've kept my n3310 on the shelf with oscilloscope (it was the only place in a room with good signal strength), so it kept jumping on the floor from 1.5 meters for 2 years without damage. I remember those times with tears of tenderness :)	12:29
DocScrutinizer	:-)))	12:29
xarcass	djszapi: thanks again. and yes, i've league champion of command line hacks!	12:30
xarcass	s/i've/i'm/	12:30
infobot	xarcass meant: djszapi: thanks again. and yes, i'm league champion of command line hacks!	12:30
DocScrutinizer	xarcass: I'm afraid HARM isn't meant for you	12:31
DocScrutinizer	you know, on HARMattan virtually all cmdline hacks are defeated by security policy enforced by aegis/MSSF	12:32
* xarcass stares at the iphone he's coding right now with loathing and aversion		12:32
* DocScrutinizer does same with a different target: N950		12:33
xarcass	DocScrutinizer: after 2.5 years of heavy-duty iphone coding, harmattan is like a refreshing fart in a room full of roses. believe me	12:33
DocScrutinizer	kinda on the point analogy	12:34
DocScrutinizer	:-P	12:34
DocScrutinizer	I prefer the fresh atlantic shore breeze I feel on fremantle (or real linux/*nix for that behalf)	12:35
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DocScrutinizer	each single cmdline cmd I enter to N950 ssh I hold my breath in anticipation of next aegis fart	12:37
neal	DocScrutinizer: may be worse is better: the community will invest in meego ce rather than harmattan...	12:38
DocScrutinizer	quite possible	12:38
djszapi	yes, and more work on Mer which is good. :)	12:39
DocScrutinizer	but then meego CE is declared dead as well I heard, mer-resurrected is the hype of the week	12:39
Stskeeps	nop, CE isn't dead	12:40
DocScrutinizer	which is like reboot #5 in my book, to make the system stay always-up	12:40
Stskeeps	Mer is just core side of things, CE continues as-is, though probably rebasing on top of the core	12:41
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: btw, would you have interest in nuking your n950 to a point where you run CE instead of harmattan, aegis-free?	12:41
Corsac	it seems it gets worse every 6 months	12:41
DocScrutinizer	tbh atm I'm just interested in N9 hw investigations	12:42
Venemo	Corsac, what gets worse?	12:42
Stskeeps	fair enough	12:42
DocScrutinizer	I applied for N950 with H-E-N9 and it seems it will never happen, or hell freezing over and Nokia allows loading of modules to stock kernel, dang maybe even includes hostmode kernel patches to stocjk kernel - MUHAHAHA. For this I need N9&HARM as target, not meego CE	12:44
SpeedEvil	Has the n9 kernel been released - any version?	12:44
DocScrutinizer	seems so	12:44
SpeedEvil	To compare with 950	12:44
MohammadAG	the new kernel sources are on the repo afaik	12:44
DocScrutinizer	yep	12:45
SpeedEvil	ah	12:45
SpeedEvil	Is that an update over a few days ago, or was that the n950 sources that weren't.	12:45
DocScrutinizer	and I guess they are same for N9 and 950	12:45
Venemo	can we expect hostmode for the CE? when you done it for Harmattan?	12:45
SpeedEvil	hostmode for CE 'should' be simple.	12:45
SpeedEvil	At least in the n9 case.	12:45
DocScrutinizer	Venemo: hostmode for CE should be friggin simple, basically	12:45
SpeedEvil	It's pretty much a stock kernel.	12:46
DocScrutinizer	yep	12:46
SpeedEvil	As long as upstream works.	12:46
DocScrutinizer	which afaik it does, on pandora/pandaboard (sorry I always mix up)	12:46
Venemo	but I'm talking N9(x0) here	12:47
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DocScrutinizer	same platform, basically	12:47
DocScrutinizer	same twl4030 PHY, same musb-hdrc in OMAP, we're done	12:47
Venemo	srsly?	12:48
DocScrutinizer	and for sure I'm willing to help with any problems that arise when setting defconfig of CE to usb-hostmode=yes	12:48
Venemo	that's nice of you :)	12:50
DocScrutinizer	ooh, please. No sarcasm before breakfast	12:50
Venemo	this was honest, not sarcasm.	12:50
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dfaure	new error when trying to flash the n950: Erasing, this may take a while. ERROR: Failed to erase MMC using 'secure' method	14:00
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svuorela	dfaure: I had that several times	14:06
dfaure	and you simply tried again?	14:06
svuorela	yes. without any success. Then I hacked the installer to not use the secure method	14:07
dfaure	huh	14:08
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svuorela	dfaure: there is a extractoneclickintsaller function on the meego wiki, and it gives a handful of executables, tarballs and shellscripts. one of the shellscripts calls a erase method =secure, I changed it to =quick	14:11
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svuorela	dfaure: do I make sense?	14:15
dfaure	it failed again, I'll try the above then	14:15
svuorela	I gave up after it failing ~10 times for me	14:17
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dfaure	why did it work for those making the instructions....	14:17
MohammadAG	it worked for me on my old N950	14:28
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hiemanshu	MohammadAG: got your N950 yet?	14:48
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MohammadAG	hiemanshu, won't get it for another two weeks	14:48
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dfaure	svuorela: I'm completely confused ;) Where should I go exactly? ;)	15:06
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* svuorela tries to remember. and look things up		15:08
svuorela	dfaure: http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page - there is a extract-OCF function to extract the OCF into bits	15:08
dfaure	ah ok	15:09
svuorela	then look at the installer shellscript. even though it is a bash script and you are a zsh user, I guess you can figure it out anyways :)	15:10
dfaure	zsh is a superset of bash anyway :-)	15:10
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djszapi	xarcass: After some investigation: you can only enable/disable alert vibras for each profile (Settings -> Sounds and vibration -> Vibration profile). You cannot change the strength of the vibra alerts.	15:30
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xarcass	djszapi: that's a pity. I suspect Nokia will receive many complaints about that, because vibration is really weak. almost useless in my opinion. but thanks all the same.	15:35
MohammadAG	it was better in beta1 tbh	15:35
xarcass	MohammadAG: we are talking about N9 device, btw. i haven't got any experience with beta1 on the N9	15:37
djszapi	xarcass: indeed. Do not forget the fact there is not much work ongoing since the 11th of February.	15:38
MohammadAG	The N9 and N950 have a similar motor, it was something that they changed in software	15:38
xarcass	djszapi: taking this into account, the resulting device can be called perfect, without the fear of contradiction :)	15:39
djszapi	xarcass: if there is no meego back then, and we are not working on two platforms at the same time, Harmattan could have rocked more :(	15:40
xarcass	cheer up, man. it rocks already. it maybe sucks a little in the area of vibration strength..	15:41
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* xarcass hopes that MetaWatch will have proper support of the N9		15:44
MohammadAG	it will, thanks to javispedro	15:45
dfaure	and now I get bb5_rdc_cert_read failed, the wiki only says this can happen, but not what to do about it	15:46
MohammadAG	modprobe -r phonet and cdc_modem	15:46
djszapi	dfaure: what did you do before that result ?	15:47
dfaure	MohammadAG: I have blacklisted and unloaded cdc_phonet already	15:47
dfaure	hmm phonet itself got loaded though	15:47
* dfaure blacklists phonet and tries again		15:49
dfaure	same result	15:49
MohammadAG	lsmod \| grep modem	15:49
dfaure	djszapi: apart from the blacklisting, I extracted the installer to change erase-mmc=secure to erase-mmc=quick, since secure fails	15:49
dfaure	MohammadAG: no result	15:49
djszapi	dfaure: would you like to flash the beta2 image for N950 ? What is wrong about the official steps if you follow them ? What is the output exactly ?	15:51
dfaure	yes I'm trying to flash the beta 2 image to the N950.	15:51
dfaure	The official steps lead to ERROR: Failed to erase MMC using 'secure' method	15:51
djszapi	check sum is okay I guess, and you also tried on Windows ?	15:52
dfaure	no Windows seems to be my last option	15:52
djszapi	Windows worked in many cases, where Linux failed. I would even try a cold flash with an older flasher first.	15:52
dfaure	SUCCESS! Using an older flasher (but not cold flash). http://www.martindengler.com/proj/n950-flasher-beta1/ saved the day	16:05
djszapi	dfaure: nifty ;)	16:07
* Jaffa mutters about Nokia Store's QA requirements. Does anyone know what the "support site" has to do? Having it be a top-level page wasn't sufficient, neither is a bug tracker		16:07
djszapi	dfaure: btw, do you have time and sake to join the KDE Harmattan sprint in Berlin ?	16:07
dfaure	djszapi: when is that?	16:07
djszapi	one week before the akademy-fr	16:08
djszapi	https://sprints.kde.org/sprint/61	16:08
dfaure	oh boy, I need to order a few more clones	16:10
Kaadlajk	Jaffa: someone said that it automatically prepends http:// to support url so giving http://www.something.com does not work because it becomes http://http://...	16:10
* RST38h moos		16:11
Jaffa	Kaadlajk: If that's true I'd be so utterly pissed off.	16:11
djszapi	dfaure: :P	16:11
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RST38h	Jaffa: I have got a google group for the support site	16:11
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RST38h	Jaffa: something to let users leave feedback	16:12
Kaadlajk	Jaffa: there was FAQ item about it but cant find it anymore :P maybe they fixed it	16:12
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Jaffa	RST38h: And what have you got as the URL in the store? Does it start with "http://"?	16:12
RST38h	no longer remember, checking	16:12
Jaffa	Kaadlajk: Couldn't see any FAQ - but I may have missed it	16:12
Jaffa	RST38h: thanks	16:12
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spenap	in my experience, I got that problem with a https:// url	16:13
spenap	they put http:// before it	16:13
RST38h	the site is utterly broken though	16:13
RST38h	I doubt they ever tested it	16:13
spenap	but once that I used a http:// url, it worked fine	16:13
RST38h	but then, I doubt they ever tested Android Market publishing console either	16:14
Kaadlajk	testing was probably outsourced to india	16:14
RST38h	Jaffa: For fMSX, I have Support Website: http://fms.komkon.org/fMSX/	16:14
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RST38h	Jaffa: So, it has eaten http:// at least once for me	16:14
* Jaffa really CBA to write a proper little micro-site for a clock which doesn't do anything except sit there. Even a bug tracker seems like overkill		16:15
RST38h	Once again, a google group	16:16
RST38h	And you can keep the same group for all your products	16:16
Kaadlajk	http://support.publish.ovi.com/?cat=6&topic=9&faq=Why%20is%20my%20support%20website%20linking%20incorrectly?	16:16
Kaadlajk	there it was	16:16
* Jaffa has asked for clarification as to what it needs to have before bothering doing anything else. Maybe an FMC link would be sufficient, for example		16:17
Jaffa	Kaadlajk: Thanks	16:17
Jaffa	This is a one-line thing to only add it conditionally in whatever piece of crap runs the site. Rubbish.	16:17
Kaadlajk	Jaffa: http://support.publish.ovi.com/?cat=6&topic=11&faq=My%20application%20has%20failed%20QA%20for%20not%20providing%20a%20valid%20support%20website.%20I%20do%20not%20have%20a%20website.%20What%20should%20I%20do?	16:18
Kaadlajk	someone also said that www.nokia.com is accepted as support website :-)	16:18
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Kaadlajk	also obviously just email address wont work as support link, you really need website with email address	16:21
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DocScrutinizer	LOL	16:25
Jaffa	But if the requirement is to "show your support email prominently" and I've had to enter a support email address; why doesn't Nokia show it nice and prominently?	16:25
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DocScrutinizer	Jaffa: isn't it great? To publish a silly clock in OVI, you first run to your bank and mess with them to get a credit card to pay the 99ct to Nokia, then you set up a website for feedback and customer support. OMFG	16:27
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DocScrutinizer	German court has sentenced Ryan Air to not charge for payment methods other than credit card. Nokia doesn't even offer other payment methods	16:30
SpeedEvil	That's to do with advertised prices not matching.	16:31
SpeedEvil	Their latest wheeze in the UK is that they are trying to advertise a price - which you can get only if you sign up for their credit card.	16:31
SpeedEvil	Which has fees if you don't use it, nd if you buy anything else on it.	16:31
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DocScrutinizer	whatever it got to do with, I just frown on that asshat attitude that you're not a valid businessman without a credit card, and furthermore they aren't interested in contributions from those who aren't qualifying for their notion of real businessman	16:33
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* dfaure added a link to the beta1 flasher in the wiki (n950_landing_page )		16:35
DocScrutinizer	hey, you can't even get sponsored participation on Nokia events without a credit card, as you need to pay hotel etc on your credit card and Nokia will payback ONLY on credit card	16:35
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dfaure	yeah it's not like we would be in the 21st century, credit cards are still pretty rare and hard to get... (!)	16:36
DocScrutinizer	dfaure: well there are several links ;-P e.g http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/myimages/ which also has the original of the extract-OCF function	16:37
dfaure	but no instructions, compared to the link I added	16:37
DocScrutinizer	dfaure: and credit card are really hard to get, esp if you're not willing to sell your ass and soul to a bank or credit institute	16:38
DocScrutinizer	look, I got no credit card, no gmail, and no facebook account. And I like to keep it this way	16:40
RST38h	Doc: Still got a TV though?	16:41
Stskeeps	and living in a cardboard box?	16:42
DocScrutinizer	and each honest business here in Europe offers a bank account to transfer arbitrary amounts of money to, for classic payment	16:42
RST38h	Stskeeps <-- trolling	16:42
Jaffa	Anyone know if the "Secondary & tertiary full-size screen shot" really are "required by N9 and RM-680"?	16:42
Jaffa	How many screenshots of a clock are needed?	16:43
RST38h	Jaffa: yes	16:43
Jaffa	FFS.	16:43
RST38h	shoot it at 15-minute intervals	16:43
* Jaffa does a portrait one.		16:43
DocScrutinizer	add a few nice porn	16:43
Jaffa	Someone's charging 1gbp for a "restart" app	16:43
DocScrutinizer	;-P	16:43
* RST38h wonders what Finnish language construct gottranslated into "secondary and tertiary"		16:43
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DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: no cardbox, but a 150yo building, nicely refurbished	16:45
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: probably Nokia lives in a cardboard box, when they offer/require payment of 99ct with a credit card but don't offer e.g. paypal	16:47
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: shh, don't let the truth come out about nokia offices	16:47
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dfaure	stupid question: how do I get a terminal on the n950? :-)	16:57
artemma	tap terminal icon :)	16:57
gri	by installing the developer tools	16:57
artemma	that is after u install developer tools	16:57
gri	settings -> security -> ...	16:58
artemma	DocScrutinizer: 99cents is about verifying the person and getting a link to hunt him back if needed. Not everybody who can pay on paypal is requied to provide identity + nokia would have problems to get people through paypal	16:58
dfaure	hmm I guess this should be added to http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N950 ;)	16:59
gri	my osx just hung up completely while entering a qt bug report (bad sign) ? pulled the plug	16:59
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DocScrutinizer	artemma: also would have problems to get people by backtracking usual bank money transfer?	16:59
dfaure	hmm developer mode says "installation package not found"	17:00
gri	dfaure, go to settings -> programs and click the update sign	17:01
lardman	dfaure: good luck, I had to cold flash after it failed to install the dev tools	17:01
gri	dfaure, this will do a apt-get update and your phone might be able to install developer tools after that	17:01
dfaure	gri: didn't help, it says "device is up to date" :(	17:02
gri	dfaure, this message does say nothing	17:03
gri	even if it didn't upgrade anything, it might now find the package (mine did)	17:03
dfaure	I did try again of course, and it failed	17:03
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gri	hmm, ok ..	17:04
dfaure	nice catch 22, no terminal without this package, and no way to apt-get update by hand without a terminal	17:04
gri	anyone here has a n9(50) and 2 minutes spare time to confirm a bug in qt-components for me?	17:05
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DocScrutinizer	I heard switching on and off (and back on ;-P) devel-mode helped	17:07
DocScrutinizer	possibly with reboots in between	17:08
DocScrutinizer	maybe also update-checks in between	17:08
MohammadAG	so I accidentally changed the lock code of an iPhone and locked the owner out	17:08
DocScrutinizer	and maybe it's all a hoax	17:08
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: congrats, get him a new one X-P	17:08
lardman	lock code on an N950 vanishes with sufficient cold flashing and wiping of data	17:09
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lardman	for some reason	17:09
DocScrutinizer	for reason of that's been a design goal	17:09
DocScrutinizer	at least it is on latest N900 FW	17:10
DocScrutinizer	lockcode is to secure your user data, not to brick the device	17:10
DocScrutinizer	bricking is like poisonous fish - just it won't take effect as evolution is too slow to produce a smarter kind of phone thieves	17:12
dfaure	amazing! now it found the package	17:12
dfaure	I didn't do anything, except for trying again after 8 minutes	17:12
dfaure	and now download fails. The website must be extra busy...	17:12
lardman	Docscrutinizer:ah ok	17:13
DocScrutinizer	wich also isn't exactly anything new with maemo/nokia websites	17:13
lardman	dfaure: the issue I seemed to have was that the download was corrupt and it would therefore fail to install, and also not re-download	17:14
DocScrutinizer	lardman: nice	17:14
DocScrutinizer	uninstalling the corrupt pkg also doesn't help then :-S	17:15
DocScrutinizer	as there's nuttin to uninstall	17:15
lardman	yep, was royally stuck	17:15
DocScrutinizer	you might be able to remove the cached .deb	17:16
lardman	yeah perhaps, but I'd need a filemanager with admin rights	17:16
DocScrutinizer	err, quite possibly, yes :-P	17:17
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DocScrutinizer	cheers aegis	17:17
lardman	lol	17:17
faenil	hi guys :)	17:17
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: on the bright side: you may probably keep the locked fruitPhone then	17:19
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: now imagine you publish a software that bricks maybe 3000 devices :-P	17:20
DocScrutinizer	developers like the one publishing kernel-power-settings-GUI never were in a position where they did that commercially, so simply are denying the responsibility of app devels	17:22
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DocScrutinizer	Nokia otoh is the complementary extreme, when they refuse to disclose hints about e.g the maximum temperature of battery cell where bme or any replacement of bme should shut down	17:24
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, had to restore the whole device	17:25
MohammadAG	why couldn't it be easy to crack...	17:25
DocScrutinizer	maybe because apple really cares about their customers' data security a bit?	17:26
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: btw you heard about Sony hack reloaded? :-D	17:27
MohammadAG	yeah	17:27
DocScrutinizer	real fun	17:27
MohammadAG	my PS3's collecting dust tbh	17:27
MohammadAG	don't have much time for games	17:27
DocScrutinizer	I'm not referring to any PS3 hack, I'm talking about another 95k customer data records ripped off by hackers	17:28
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DocScrutinizer	seems Sony's still practicing proper website administration :-P	17:29
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DocScrutinizer	http://www.gamona.de/games/aktuelles,sony-hackerangriff-auf-93.000-psn-und-soe-konten:news,1998917.html	17:31
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DocScrutinizer	well, according to the mere words of Sony it's not been a successful attack, but then I'd say futile attacks are happening every day and nobody at Sony will blog about it	17:35
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oprwww	hello, could somebody point me where's the file/db containing sms messages on N9?	18:16
radiofree	it's stored in tracker	18:17
radiofree	oprwww: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=959	18:18
radiofree	oprwww: more directly http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=30147&postcount=6	18:18
oprwww	radiofree, thank you!	18:18
gri	You could also use libcommhistory, if you want to display them	18:21
oprwww	actually, I have a xml sms dump from my winmo phone, I thought I could edit that list and import all of them into N9	18:22
oprwww	can't that be done via sqlite insert queries?	18:23
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gri	I would use the commhistory api to insert them	18:23
gri	that won't break anything if you have a typo	18:23
gri	everything*	18:23
radiofree	you could do it using qsparql insert queries as well, if you wanted to do it directly	18:23
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oprwww	sparql is something very new to me :)	18:24
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oprwww	N9 is such a candy, btw	18:25
oprwww	ok, will dig into commhistory and qsparql, thank you guys	18:26
gri	oprwww, https://gitorious.org/web2sms/web2sms/blobs/master/qmlplugin/messagehandler.cpp#line78	18:26
gri	that's my code for inserting a new sms into the history	18:26
oprwww	I might use some parts of it, thanks	18:27
oprwww	another question btw, how do you think is it possible to hook receiving of a sms message to modify it before storing and displaying?	18:32
gri	oprwww, It's not possible	18:33
gri	but you can surpress the notification and change it	18:33
oprwww	I want to scan a SMS for matching phone numbers in phonebook and replace those numbers with the contact name	18:33
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gri	that might be possible since you receive the message, and you can change it before the user can click on the notification	18:34
oprwww	hope so	18:35
gri	it works :) I actually receive a message and my program replaces the action which gets called when clicking the notification -> so my program opens instead of the default messaging application	18:36
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javispedro	moo gentlemen.	18:42
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DocScrutinizer	gri: nice	18:51
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djszapi	Stskeeps: there are news not OEM1 signed image flashing might not be available on these devices by flasher. I hope that is not going to be the case. I cannot right now flash not OEM1 signed image onto my N950. :/	19:07
djszapi	That would be an exclusive point for the Mer hardware adaptation layer.	19:07
Stskeeps	you can't flash a non-OEM1 image, yes, of course	19:08
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DocScrutinizer	???	19:21
DocScrutinizer	-ECHAN?	19:21
Stskeeps	djszapi:its possible to flash own kernel and load own initrd on oem1 n950, but you cannot flash nokia non oem1 images	19:29
djszapi	That is good since the community images will not be Nokia images, probably.	19:31
Stskeeps	djszapi: yes	19:31
djszapi	Stskeeps: you already experimented with an own kernel (and maybe also with initrd) previously ?	19:31
Stskeeps	djszapi: yes, i have a kernel and initrd tat exports whole emmc over usb	19:32
Stskeeps	djszapi: unsigned of course	19:32
djszapi	okay, thanks :)	19:35
Stskeeps	should work on n9 too..	19:35
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svuorela	hey. has anyone made gold in the 'alchemist'-game ?	19:40
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javispedro	got old on TMO that my fmrx CLI app works on the N9 :D	19:57
Corsac	told?	19:58
javispedro	*told.	19:58
javispedro	in the positive sense :)	19:59
Corsac	:)	19:59
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DocScrutinizer	well, I wonder if Ronan got my mail regarding hw-eval N9	20:01
javispedro	DocScrutinizer: ah, just read about it, good luck!	20:02
javispedro	DocScrutinizer: have you described the differences between n9 and n950 in that regard somewhere?	20:02
javispedro	(host)	20:02
DocScrutinizer	meh, I sent a signed DLA or whatever it's called, and no reply since	20:02
DocScrutinizer	javispedro: I can't describe the differences, as hw of N950 is more unclear than ever	20:03
javispedro	The wheels of bureaucracy...	20:03
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javispedro	ah :(	20:03
javispedro	it'll probably never be clear the...	20:03
javispedro	*then	20:03
DocScrutinizer	after I found out about TPS65951 and the missing hw kbd IF there, I just gave up on it as 65950 variant is clearly missing a few signals that are highly relevant for hostmode/boost	20:05
DocScrutinizer	so either N950 has the 51 variant and a dedicated kbd IF, or it has 50 and a pretty unclear USB & charging circuitry	20:06
DocScrutinizer	and even telling it apart is not exactly easy, and wouldn't help much in the end as we still don't know about the n950 schematics	20:07
DocScrutinizer	it's probably easier to get h-e-n working on N9, and then trying what's going to happen when we "backport" this to N950	20:08
DocScrutinizer	as for N9 there are schematics, for 950 not though	20:09
DocScrutinizer	which is quite a bit weird	20:09
DocScrutinizer	but MEH	20:09
javispedro	and a complete pity	20:09
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javispedro	sigh, I already said why the Nokia Tune Contest was one of the most horrible ideas ever made virtually a month ago, and now everyone's surprised the result is equally horrible?	20:13
DocScrutinizer	haha	20:15
frals	pretty nice amount of publicity for nokia anyway	20:17
frals	and since the 'new' tune is not meant to replace the old one... well	20:17
javispedro	and someone might actually enjoy some of the other finalists http://nokiatune.audiodraft.com/entries/latest/	20:18
ajalkane	Nokia's long been operating under the assumption that even bad publicity is good	20:18
* javispedro likes #2		20:18
frals	no such thing as bad publicity (until elop came along ;()	20:18
* javispedro is happy, it only took one year for acer to finally ship drivers compatible with win7 sp1 (the laptop originally had win7 sp0)		20:19
frals	yeah #2 is nice	20:19
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javispedro	(hm, not one year, just 8 months)	20:21
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javispedro	hm, did the n950 export MTP via USB previously?	20:46
javispedro	oh, in PC Suite mode I guess.	20:46
frals	sync and connect gives mtp	20:46
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GeneralAntilles	javispedro, hey-oh.	20:51
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javispedro	hello GeneralAntilles	20:52
GeneralAntilles	javispedro, so I was thinking about an application menu for the watch.	20:56
GeneralAntilles	Can we just duplicate the settings menu setup on the watch and use that to select watchlets?	20:56
javispedro	I think I plan to do that on longpressing	20:56
javispedro	hm	20:56
gri	How long does the watch battery last with bluetooth on?	20:57
javispedro	I was going to copy the menu from http://retrovirus.com/incr/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/cicada2.png but I like that idea more	20:57
GeneralAntilles	This way we get pretty icons.	20:58
javispedro	gri: between 3 and 5 days. usually, n950 dies first.	20:58
GeneralAntilles	I've been charging nightly, so I couldn't report anything useful.	20:58
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GeneralAntilles	It's never gotten low, though.	20:58
javispedro	I turn BT off (actually, the N950) during the night so my figures are not accurate either	20:59
gri	ok	20:59
gri	and what's the fastest refresh rate on the watch? the one I saw with the y-rotating Q in your video, right?	21:00
javispedro	a bit faster than that, but not much	21:01
javispedro	depends on the number of lines	21:01
javispedro	*modified lines.	21:01
javispedro	expect something like 10ms per modified line plus a 25ms delay per frame	21:01
javispedro	GeneralAntilles: has it crashed on you since you reflashed?	21:02
GeneralAntilles	Once everything went really weird	21:02
GeneralAntilles	But that was the day my N950 was turning itself off, too.	21:02
GeneralAntilles	So, meh.	21:02
javispedro	hah	21:02
javispedro	turning itself off doesn't sound right :S	21:02
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GeneralAntilles	Nope	21:03
GeneralAntilles	Did it 4 times in the span of about 2 hours last week.	21:03
DocScrutinizer	lo gan	21:08
GeneralAntilles	Hey, DocScrutinizer.	21:08
DocScrutinizer	(everything weird) cosmic rays	21:10
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DocScrutinizer	(shut down BT) aiui you simply can't do that for the watch, and for N950 it doesn't matter, neither for the N950 nor for the watch. As - if I got it right - the watch is just listening all the time and that's pretty cheap on bat	21:12
melle	Hi all, a quick note: You can import an .ics file (e.g. your old N900 calendar) by emailing it to your device and tapping it.	21:12
javispedro	DocScrutinizer: you can shut down BT on the watch, but you are right in that it is not very noticeable	21:12
melle	Could anyone point me to the location of notes? I'd like to import my notes from my n900...	21:13
DocScrutinizer	melle: great finding, add it to wiki	21:13
DocScrutinizer	yeah, well... notes... seems severely fsckd up	21:14
javispedro	the n900 had two notes apps actually	21:14
javispedro	the ones in the calendar app (sqlite db iirc) and the ones in the notes app (.txt files)	21:14
DocScrutinizer	iirc somebody claimed there's simply no files at all for notes	21:14
javispedro	the n950' notes app probably does sqlite/tracker	21:14
melle	javispedro: i mean the notes app (producing .txt and .note.html files)	21:14
DocScrutinizer	missing that on HARM	21:15
DocScrutinizer	basically that notes "app" on HARM is useless	21:16
* javispedro would disagree, but we've been over that already		21:16
javispedro	I also ponder why they did not spin Tasks into its own launcher icon	21:17
javispedro	maybe mailing oneself a .txt file will causes notes to import it? that's how it worked in PalmOS ;P	21:19
faenil	downgrading to beta1 has no drawbacks right?	21:20
faenil	I mean no side effects	21:21
javispedro	does that work? you willing to try? :D	21:21
DocScrutinizer	well, if you want to bring a minimum of structure to your notes (photos, whatever, for this topic) you need to invent your own markup language and include tags like "$$PATH:job/location3/room5/first-vist" to your notes and photos and whatnot, so you can "find" it via tracker - thanks to Nokia inventing the end of filesystem	21:21
javispedro	Nokia hardly invented it ;P	21:22
javispedro	faenil: if you want to try, do tell what happened. on N900 times, worst that could happen was that you where left without cellmo until you reflashed to the latest one again	21:24
DocScrutinizer	and quite obviously things like renaming, deletion, moving, uploading etc are pretty hard as you need to reinvent all those operations and the tools for it for every other tracker object again	21:24
javispedro	faenil: but I dunno about n950.	21:24
faenil	javispedro: okay thanks, it's flashing ;)	21:24
DocScrutinizer	faenil: common legend is it can't be done	21:25
faenil	DocScrutinizer: yeah...	21:26
faenil	DocScrutinizer: I think beta1 is better, so I'm going back..	21:26
DocScrutinizer	you're trying to go back :-D	21:26
faenil	exactly xd	21:26
javispedro	we might be surprised	21:26
faenil	still "erasing"	21:26
rayyen	do you NEED a kernelmodule to be able to disable aegis?	21:26
faenil	I actually thought someone had already done this xD	21:27
DocScrutinizer	if standard OCF 22-6 fails, try using 34-2 flasher with 22-6 image, and do a coldflash	21:27
faenil	what's a coldflash	21:27
DocScrutinizer	rayyen: yes, pretty much	21:27
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DocScrutinizer	faenil: coldflash is loading NOLO from flasher to RAM and executes it, rather than using the existing NOLO on device	21:28
DocScrutinizer	(simplified picture)	21:28
DocScrutinizer	there's an option (actually a set of options) for coldflashing in flasher tool	21:29
javispedro	btw	21:29
javispedro	I've noticed that Win8 also kinda uses Swipe	21:30
faenil	DocScrutinizer: oh ok thanks, yeah had seen the option in the flasher	21:30
javispedro	even the lock screen shares the "bounce" animation that hints you have to swipe it when you tap on it	21:30
faenil	xD	21:30
javispedro	and ignoring the windows key/button, swiping is the only way to go back to home/desktop	21:31
faenil	yeah	21:31
DocScrutinizer	haha	21:31
rayyen	mtd0-6 what/when is it used? since you can nanddump it.. Probably not gonna help me with aegis but.. just curios	21:31
* DocScrutinizer waits for next patent battle		21:31
javispedro	rayyen: cat /proc/mtd	21:31
DocScrutinizer	exactly	21:31
rayyen	javispedro, aah, thanks.	21:32
javispedro	DocScrutinizer: remember Elop? No patent battle for sure ...	21:32
DocScrutinizer	and you could even nandwrite it if aegis would allow	21:32
DocScrutinizer	javispedro: AAAH me silly	21:32
DocScrutinizer	stay away from nandtest though!!! seriously! it's doing a stresstest on NAND and may kill your device AIUI	21:34
rayyen	heh, havent had the balls to touch test/write :P	21:34
faenil	I got a bb5_rdc_cert_read certificate error	21:35
faenil	after erasing process finished	21:36
faenil	and got a "Downgrade disallowed"	21:36
javispedro	DocScrutinizer: hmm, not sure aegis will actually prevent writes to NAND	21:36
javispedro	DocScrutinizer: expect cal area	21:36
DocScrutinizer	except?	21:36
javispedro	yep	21:36
DocScrutinizer	#define paegis aegis-policy	21:37
javispedro	touché	21:37
rayyen	So you would be able to modify/patch the kernel and nandwrite it back? :P	21:37
javispedro	no	21:38
javispedro	well, yes, but it'll be the same as flashing it.	21:38
faenil	is it ok if I stop the "erasing" process?	21:38
faenil	I don't want to wait 15 more minutes	21:38
DocScrutinizer	it will leave you with a messed up device that needs another flash	21:39
DocScrutinizer	possibly need a coldflash to recover	21:39
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DocScrutinizer	if it was NOLO that got fsck'd by aborting flash	21:40
javispedro	does coldflash work on the n950?	21:40
DocScrutinizer	should	21:40
DocScrutinizer	why not?	21:40
javispedro	dunno...	21:40
DocScrutinizer	flasher supports it, OMAP supports it	21:40
faenil	okay I'll wait for it to stop erasing this time,..	21:41
DocScrutinizer	and basically it's the only way to bootstrap a wiped device - where wiped also is the state a device fals off the anuf line	21:42
DocScrutinizer	manufacturing line*	21:42
javispedro	btw, got open-rdate working under aegis	21:43
DocScrutinizer	whatever that is	21:43
rayyen	has nokia said anything as to why they decided to use aegis? Elop?	21:43
javispedro	implements "quick and dirty" NTP time syncing among other things	21:43
javispedro	~= ntpdate	21:43
SpeedEvil	It was before Elop.	21:43
SpeedEvil	Aegis makes sense if you expect the platform to be rolled out to a billion phones.	21:44
SpeedEvil	It means you can do credential review, without doing sourcecode reviews.	21:44
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DocScrutinizer	would make sense, if implemented and configured in a way ok for that purpose - which HARM evidently isn't	21:45
SpeedEvil	Indeed.	21:46
SpeedEvil	But they were making comments about aegis-like at n900 launch	21:46
DocScrutinizer	bad enough that nobody stopped them back when	21:46
DocScrutinizer	it was inevitable the whole thing ended like this	21:47
DocScrutinizer	even if aegis was implemented in a way it would allow pretty much of andridiot-alike user control over credentials an app requests, it still is mighty enough to make somebody mess up paegis so you get a comedy-OS like HARM	21:51
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merlin1991	javispedro: got open-rdate packaged somewhere?	22:02
javispedro	yep, just need to upload it	22:02
javispedro	a moment, I'm in the middle of some important discovery :)	22:02
merlin1991	my genius provider doesn't supply time info, so my phones are constantly out of time :/	22:03
rayyen	javispedro, tell me its related to aegis :P	22:03
rayyen	killing aegisfs is not the best thing to do..	22:04
merlin1991	!seen djszapi	22:06
_MeeGoBot_	djszapi was last seen 2 hours, 31 minutes and 18 seconds ago, saying 'okay, thanks :)' in #harmattan.	22:06
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javispedro	rayyen: yes	22:23
javispedro	http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=33105&postcount=73	22:23
gri	oh god, it took me about 3 or 4 evenings just to write a shitty contact selector like in messaging-ui: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUssLureyMo	22:24
rayyen	javispedro,was it hard?	22:26
javispedro	as in, building a kernel..	22:27
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rayyen	javispedro, so building a kernelimage and just flashing the kernel and it worked?	22:34
tarantism	javispedro: sssuperstar!	22:34
javispedro	rayyen: the one I tried had lizardo's patch, want to try what happens with an unchanged one	22:35
thp	javispedro: btw, would you accept a patch for sowatch that would make it possible to override the built-in qml ui files from files in the filesystem? (for experimenting with different UIs without the need for recompiling)	22:35
rayyen	javispedro, great work, anyway. :)	22:37
* Arkenoi wonders WHY does my cellular connection once a few day reset to "manual" mode, very annoying		22:37
Arkenoi	once a few days even	22:37
Arkenoi	and why i kept being asked to re-enter online service credentials once a week or so	22:38
javispedro	thp: oh, note that the idea is that apps should be in separate .so files	22:39
javispedro	thp: but it's a good idea, ok	22:39
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javispedro	(in fact I wish such an override could be made for every qt quick app!)	22:39
javispedro	thp: you have a digital watch?	22:40
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thp	thp: yep digital	22:44
javispedro	:)	22:44
thp	javispedro: i actually have the patch here, but i'll clean it up a bit more and then submit a merge request (I guess that's the easiest for you too?)	22:44
thp	:fit	22:44
javispedro	yep	22:44
Arkenoi	ah, i still haven't order the watch, should do it now..	22:45
javispedro	woah, so many metawatch owners =)	22:45
javispedro	#metawatch hint,hint ;P	22:45
thp	javispedro: i actually ordered it only after seeing GeneralAntilles' video of your app ;)	22:46
javispedro	hah	22:46
GeneralAntilles	I need to make more videos	22:46
javispedro	killer app	22:46
javispedro	:)	22:46
GeneralAntilles	Gonna try to do a interview-style overview video in the 3-5 minute range.	22:46
Arkenoi	can i read sms from it? see appointment alerts?	22:46
GeneralAntilles	Since we just got a couple of lav mics to play with.	22:46
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GeneralAntilles	Arkenoi, currently you can't read previous SMSes from it (trivial fix)	22:47
GeneralAntilles	but it does throw alerts.	22:47
javispedro	Arkenoi: with my stock app you cannot do much, but you can create apps in qml, so anything you can do in QML you can in the watch	22:47
GeneralAntilles	Arkenoi, ultimately it's just a dumb display on your wrist	22:47
javispedro	GeneralAntilles: in the latest git there's an app that reviews "current" notifications	22:47
GeneralAntilles	so you can have the phone feed it whatever you want.	22:47
GeneralAntilles	javispedro, sweet.	22:47
javispedro	still pretty raw though	22:47
GeneralAntilles	javispedro, can you do watchlets purely in QML?	22:47
Arkenoi	so anything that gets on notification screen will be thrown to the watch?	22:48
javispedro	GeneralAntilles: technically, no, but the C++ you can reuse	22:48
javispedro	GeneralAntilles: (similar to development on the N950, there's C++ that creates a QML viewer)	22:48
javispedro	(that you can reuse)	22:48
GeneralAntilles	Right, should create a Qt SDK template for that.	22:49
javispedro	Arkenoi: everything, including 3rd party	22:49
javispedro	sowatch users can try with the MTF widgetsgallery notifications page	22:49
Arkenoi	ah	22:49
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Arkenoi	grrr, annoying registration just to check out	22:49
Arkenoi	why not just use paypal?	22:49
zehjotkah	testing irc-chatter on the n950	22:50
javispedro	hi zehjotkah	22:50
GeneralAntilles	Arkenoi, because who wants to fork over more money to eBay?	22:50
zehjotkah	hi javis :)	22:50
thp	javispedro: btw, does sowatch support/expose the accelerometer/vibra already to the QML environment?	22:52
Arkenoi	i would happily pay extra $2 or whatever just to bypass registration, creating username, password,etc etc	22:52
javispedro	thp: vibra yes, not accelerometer	22:52
Arkenoi	really hate that	22:52
javispedro	actually, I've not done any experiments with the accelerometer yet..	22:52
javispedro	neither with the light sensor	22:53
GeneralAntilles	javispedro, so I was thinking about ways to use the light sensor	22:55
GeneralAntilles	Could you have the LED kick on when a new notification comes in if the ambient light level is right?	22:56
rcg	javispedro: how did you get that: Current mode: open?	22:57
thp	GeneralAntilles: i'd even suggest always enable the led for a few seconds for notifications - shouldn't be too bad in terms of battery usage	22:57
GeneralAntilles	thp, you could, but I'm not sure I'd really want it to during daylight hours.	22:58
* javispedro bbl		22:58
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SpeedEvil	thp: unless prox sensor is on	22:59
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kgutteridge	Hi, I am making a Qt Quick App for a harmattan device, is there any easy way of selecting a pre existing large sql lite database and exposing its content to QTQuick, I assume I probably need a C++ bridge or similar	23:25
thp	kgutteridge: you could use the local storage api directly from qml, but you would need to copy the sqlite file into the right location first	23:27
thp	kgutteridge: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/4583	23:27
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thp	esp. the comment by mbrasser	23:28
melle	Hi all, does anyone know where the notes are stored? I can't seem to find any related files, but that might be due to my lack of understanding of tracker... (Anyone got a primer on that too?)	23:28
kgutteridge	thp: thanks will take a read, the databases are over 10meg so I assume will fail to use html 5 esque storage techniques	23:28
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kgutteridge	thp: most useful, will give it a whirl	23:32
kgutteridge	thp: may very well owe you a virtual beer :)	23:32
javispedro	MohammadAG: there?	23:32
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Venemo	javispedro, congrats for open mode! is there an easy way I can install it?	23:47
javispedro	Venemo: still experimenting, but you can flash one of those: http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/harm/kernel/	23:47
Venemo	javispedro, in a rhetorical sense of course. I have no N950 at the moment to install it to.	23:47
Venemo	javispedro, ok, thanks :)	23:48
Venemo	javispedro, what is "lizardo's patch"?	23:52
javispedro	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75612&page=4	23:52
Venemo	nice, nice	23:53
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merlin1991	javispedro: did you up the rdate?	23:54
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