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| GeneralAntilles | ieatlint, I'd kill myself. | 00:02 |
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| ieatlint | always a good plan | 00:03 |
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| merlin1991 | but tbh the macbook invasion has taken the metalab too | 00:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | ieatlint, you're in the Bay area aren't you? | 00:04 |
| merlin1991 | loads of macbook fanboys there | 00:04 |
| ieatlint | yessum | 00:04 |
| ieatlint | the problem isn't with the macbooks themselves, it's the general attidue 90% of the owners have | 00:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | ieatlint, wiretapped and ian_r supposedly have a good group somewhere downtown in SF. | 00:04 |
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| merlin1991 | but ieatlint that leaves a question, do you brin a macbook too, or not? ;) | 00:04 |
| ieatlint | yeah, noisebridge, i know them... that's the place i was talking about :P | 00:04 |
| merlin1991 | s/brin/bring/ | 00:04 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: but ieatlint that leaves a question, do you bring a macbook too, or not? ;) | 00:04 |
| GeneralAntilles | I was supposed to drop in when I was out there for LFCS '09, but forgot and went drinking with Quim, Randy & Co. instead. | 00:05 |
| ieatlint | i'm on a thinkpad right now | 00:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | ieatlint, ah. Well then. *g* | 00:05 |
| ieatlint | wiretapped is a friend :) | 00:05 |
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| crevetor | alterego: there ? | 00:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Has progress halted on IRC Chatter? | 00:11 |
| alterego | crevetor: indeedly. | 00:11 |
| crevetor | alterego: I'm reading your blog entry and was wondering if it would be doable to replace the QR code with NFC | 00:11 |
| crevetor | I guess it would | 00:12 |
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| alterego | crevetor: not replace, but utilise when possible. | 00:12 |
| alterego | And that is the intention. I just don't have any NFC capable devices yet. | 00:12 |
| crevetor | Yeah me neither :( | 00:12 |
| evilJazz | Moin | 00:13 |
| jstaniek | hello, I am getting this failure after using official flashing instructions: http://www.martindengler.com/proj/n950-flasher-beta1/#failure | 00:13 |
| evilJazz | alterego, nice demo! | 00:13 |
| alterego | evilJazz: thanks :) | 00:13 |
| jstaniek | looking for working solution | 00:13 |
| alterego | evilJazz: expect more interesting things from me in the future too :) | 00:13 |
| alterego | Pretty much just getting started :D | 00:14 |
| alterego | win 11 | 00:15 |
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| crevetor | alterego: do you get paid for the stuff you'Re working on ? Cause I want that job ;) | 00:16 |
| alterego | :) | 00:19 |
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| alterego | Anyway, I'm knackered, in the middle of moving house at the moment. Talk to you all later. | 00:21 |
| crevetor | alterego: Oh I hadn't read the whole blog entry, sorry for the redundant question | 00:21 |
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| Sazpaimon | hatterman is superior | 01:07 |
| Sazpaimon | just throwing that out there | 01:07 |
| Sazpaimon | I'd buy 10 N9s if they named it hatterman | 01:07 |
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| evilJazz | I should really get my app finished soon, just too little time. | 01:19 |
| berndhs | if you use that name, you'll probably hear from some lawyers :) | 01:19 |
| evilJazz | For those interested, here is a little update: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYI9Zix-OmE | 01:19 |
| SpeedEvil | How does it compare on battery use to the stock one? | 01:20 |
| SpeedEvil | looking good though | 01:21 |
| evilJazz | I haven't used the stock one a lot | 01:26 |
| evilJazz | The device stays cold during use, so that is good enough for me | 01:27 |
| evilJazz | when inactive it will delay screen updates. That helps a lot with power consumption. | 01:27 |
| evilJazz | Other than that it uses either Qt Mobility's Multimedia or Phonon as backend. MPlayer is possible too. | 01:28 |
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| evilJazz | Is there a port of MPlayer available yet? | 01:29 |
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| lardman | yes iirc | 01:31 |
| lardman | though exactly where it is I don't know | 01:31 |
| evilJazz | I don't like the "workflow" on the stock media player on both the N950 and the N900. My player behaves more like a desktop music player. | 01:32 |
| evilJazz | It is pretty hard to condense that down to something usable on a mobile device. Either way I have been scratching my itch with this app since the good old Sharp Zaurus days... | 01:32 |
| lardman | :) | 01:32 |
| evilJazz | This just has the QML lipstick on :) | 01:32 |
| lardman | night chaps | 01:36 |
| evilJazz | lardman, thanks for the info. Will check then and perhaps activate the mplayer backend as option | 01:36 |
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| evilJazz | night | 01:36 |
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| Venemo | ~seen djszapi | 02:32 |
| infobot | djszapi <~lpapp@plexyplanet.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 12h 3m 58s ago, saying: 'yeah. Do you have a release plan btw ? Rather, uploading to OVI plan ?'. | 02:33 |
| SpeedEvil | evilJazz: I mean - energy profiler. The power used for listening to | 02:33 |
| SpeedEvil | evilJazz: music is .15W. - 64kbps aac at low volume with screen off. This is around 26 hour battery life. | 02:34 |
| SpeedEvil | evilJazz: Which is quite decent - as you can use it a lot over several days and not need to charge. | 02:34 |
| SpeedEvil | evilJazz: However - some other music players need a _lot_ more. If it flattens the battery in 8 hours, even quite moderate use can cause issues with the overall life of the phone. | 02:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N9-built-in-battery-built-in-2GB-3-6-HD-Touch-screen-Dual-sim-Slim-mobile-/320769789798?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item4aaf5e8f66 | 04:43 |
| * SpeedEvil has slight doubts. | 04:43 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | 1:1 replica quadband GSM - LOL | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | SMS/MMS massage \o/ | 04:47 |
| SpeedEvil | I guess it vibrates. | 04:48 |
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| mtd | ~seen jstaniek | 05:24 |
| infobot | jstaniek <~jarek@drx151.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 5h 10m 36s ago, saying: 'looking for working solution'. | 05:24 |
| mtd | infobot: tell jstaniek the solution to the beta2 flashing failure that worked for me is on the same page -- search for "what I ended up doing" | 05:27 |
| mtd | oh....infobot doesn't do that | 05:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | In principle, msgserv | 05:35 |
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| iekku | morning | 06:18 |
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| dm8tbr | moaning | 07:33 |
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| evilJazz | SpeedEvil, just tested with Vorbis 96kbps on lowest volume, screen off. ~0.17W And I think I can get it down even more if I skip updating the playback progress every 10 secs when the screen is off. When the app is in the background it will currently update every 10 s. In Foreground every 1 s. | 08:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Pretty good! | 08:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Pulseaudio sucks up fair amount of CPU, and you need to keep the CPU awake anyway | 08:23 |
| evilJazz | SpeedEvil: So, yes, power consumption is important. Right now the app is still in development, so there is still room for improvement. I regularly use QuasarMX in my car to stream audio via AD2P and remote-control via AVRCP. The device got warm to the touch quite fast because of the useless timers running in the background. That's something that has already been worked out. | 08:23 |
| SpeedEvil | so under a certain percent of CPU won;'t make a difference | 08:23 |
| evilJazz | yeah | 08:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Bit at that - that's fine. | 08:23 |
| SpeedEvil | but | 08:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe it might be nice to look at at sometime in the future when it's finished featurewise - but... | 08:23 |
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| Guest55192 | hello | 08:50 |
| Guest55192 | is there an application like backupmenu for the n9? | 08:50 |
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| Guest55192 | something to backup the whole thing before trying something out | 08:51 |
| iekku | Settings >> Sync and backup | 08:51 |
| iekku | ? | 08:52 |
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| Guest55192 | but what if the phone can't boot into the OS? | 08:52 |
| sandst1 | Guest55192: copy the backup first to the pc from /home/user/MyDocs/.backups. Then copy it back and restore | 08:53 |
| dm8tbr | works fine for me | 08:54 |
| iekku | sandst1, it doesn't really help if there's not a OS running anymore | 08:54 |
| dm8tbr | and I've been doing the reflash dance a LOT | 08:54 |
| iekku | is there flash images available public? | 08:54 |
| dm8tbr | for N9, not yet | 08:54 |
| sandst1 | iekuu: that's true. was just assuming that 'before trying something out' means bad things haven't happened yet | 08:55 |
| dm8tbr | but I'd expect something soon | 08:55 |
| dm8tbr | the absence of flash files is a different problem than backups though | 08:55 |
| iekku | Guest55192, so nothing really helpful available yet | 08:55 |
| Guest55192 | so once the flasher/ROM is released that's the only way: reflash -> ssh over backup -> re-sync | 08:56 |
| iekku | but yeah, take the backup to pc first... | 08:56 |
| dm8tbr | Guest55192: if the device doesn't boot, then yes it needs a reflash. what else? | 08:56 |
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| Guest55192 | yea I was thinking about when the bootloader would still work, but the OS would no longer boot | 08:58 |
| Guest55192 | Might there be a way in the future boot a device through the N9's USB? | 08:59 |
| Guest55192 | e.g. similar to booting from the N900's SD card | 09:00 |
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| cos^ | hello. http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Platform_Guide/Getting_started_with_Harmattan_Platform_SDK/Installing_Harmattan_Platform_SDK | 09:12 |
| cos^ | tells to run the installer script as $ sudo ./harmattan-sdk-setup.py admininstallsudo -i | 09:12 |
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| cos^ | ..but the script says "harmattan-sdk-setup.py: error: -i option requires an argument | 09:12 |
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| cos^ | seems to launch with last "sudo -i" removed | 09:15 |
| ieatlint | note that you may not need that sdk.. the regular qtsdk includes a harmattan toolchain with a complete set of libs | 09:17 |
| ieatlint | and is simpler to setup and maintain | 09:17 |
| cos^ | ok, thanks | 09:18 |
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| cos^ | where would be a good tutorial for harmattan sdk development? something like how to build & run helloworld on device | 10:59 |
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| gri | cos^, QtCreator already creates a ready-to-use project when you click "create new qt quick application -> harmattan" | 11:00 |
| gri | You just have to configure a device before :) | 11:00 |
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| * xarcass wonders whether there is some way to make vibration stronger on the N9 | 11:03 | |
| cos^ | gri: ok, i'll try it | 11:07 |
| cos^ | i wonder how long "Erasing, this may take a while." should take on a N950 | 11:08 |
| xarcass | up to half an hour | 11:08 |
| cos^ | ok, i'll wait | 11:10 |
| cos^ | success | 11:12 |
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| cos^ | for some reason i'm pessimistic about these things working :-) | 11:13 |
| xarcass | hint - don't stare at the screen while flashing is in progress. probability of success increases dramatically, believe me | 11:14 |
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| Hq` | it can sense your fear | 11:18 |
| * xarcass after about 50 consecutive flashing failures of N950 seriously considered possibility of application of human sacrifices to improve success ratio of the flashing process | 11:20 | |
| * gri always took a shower while flashing the n950 :) | 11:22 | |
| Anssi138 | fear is the path to dark side | 11:22 |
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| Anssi138 | or how it went, my inner nerd doesn't remember | 11:23 |
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| dm8tbr | come to the dark side, we have cookies! | 11:24 |
| Anssi138 | do you have iphones too? | 11:25 |
| dm8tbr | hmm glossy black N9 64GB would be nice with those cookies :) | 11:25 |
| * dm8tbr saw one (proto?). some nokia guy had it | 11:26 | |
| Anssi138 | *ok sign me in :) | 11:26 |
| * gri wants the red one but can't even find any color in europe | 11:26 | |
| Anssi138 | black looks cool | 11:26 |
| * xarcass is coding for the iphone right now and feels just like Dark Lord already. With glossy black N9 64GB in the pocket. | 11:26 | |
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| Anssi138 | black display in black chassis looks well.. what darth wader would have liked | 11:27 |
| matrixx | I wouldn't mind the color, any color would be ok :) | 11:27 |
| Anssi138 | *vader | 11:27 |
| Hq` | argh... why isn't mine already here | 11:28 |
| xarcass | well, yesterday was sales start and there were no other models apart from black 64GB. | 11:28 |
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| Anssi138 | Hq`, you bought nice fruit basket for your manager so you could order it? :) | 11:29 |
| Hq` | I just kept asking until he approved :) | 11:30 |
| * xarcass fears now that fellow iphone-developers might catch him somewhere in the dark and beat twelve kinds of shit out of him | 11:31 | |
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| mece | hahaha | 11:33 |
| mece | I know a bunch of people that dev for iphone/ipad and have N900's etc. | 11:33 |
| Anssi138 | Hq`, sounds like a good tactics :) | 11:34 |
| mece | mostly because they dev for many platforms. Which is the proper way imo. | 11:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | xarcass: (vibrator) look at (and edit) /etc/mce/mce.ini | 11:38 |
| xarcass | DocScrutinizer: thanks, i'll do that later - didn't even switched on developer mode yet | 11:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [usual disclaimer applies, including possible MALF when editing $random-file] | 11:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | may-I-edit() {grep $1 /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist && echo "probably not" || echo "edit if you feel venturous"} | 11:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | might help | 11:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | may-I-edit () { grep `basename $1` /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist && echo "probably not" || echo "edit if you feel venturous"; } | 11:50 |
| xarcass | well, after a second thought, it seems that vibrator isn't that weak. especially taking into account that flasher isn't available yet :) | 11:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | ?? | 11:52 |
| xarcass | I don't want to brick my new bright and shiny N9 | 11:53 |
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| pinheiro | my n950 as turned into mostly a brick | 11:54 |
| pinheiro | :D | 11:54 |
| pinheiro | a very nice shuly lush brick, but still a brick | 11:55 |
| pinheiro | shiny | 11:55 |
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| pinheiro | only charges if on flash mode | 11:56 |
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| * xarcass strokes his N9 tenderly | 11:57 | |
| pinheiro | :D | 11:57 |
| xarcass | I just can't kill this thing! It's so cute! And I've been waiting it for soooo long! | 11:57 |
| pinheiro | :) | 11:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | "only charges if on flash mode" pretty much sounds like you fsckd up bme | 11:58 |
| pinheiro | fsckd up bme? | 11:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# ps|grep bme | 11:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | 606 root /usr/lib/hal/hald-addon-bme | 11:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | 6137 bme /usr/sbin/bme_RX-71 -u -l syslog -v 5 -c /usr/lib/hwi/hw/rx71.so | 11:59 |
| pinheiro | pluguin it to a charger make sthe screen go on and of and depletes the baterry | 12:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | also bmestat | 12:00 |
| pinheiro | DocScrutinizer: I'm a silly stupid qml/designer so in simplified english :D | 12:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | as simple as it gets: reflash! | 12:02 |
| pinheiro | and i do that by ? | 12:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | one-click-flasher? | 12:02 |
| pinheiro | Linux_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin ? | 12:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 12:02 |
| pinheiro | heeee thst what i have been doing | 12:03 |
| pinheiro | ERROR: Failed to erase MMC using 'secure' method | 12:03 |
| pinheiro | Erasing finished at 10:01:57 | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, there's a workaround for this afaik | 12:03 |
| eman | pinheiro: Does lsmod show cdc_phonet loaded? | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | on PC! | 12:04 |
| pinheiro | ends like this every time :( in fact ./Linux_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin is all i have done | 12:04 |
| pinheiro | eman: phonet 22279 1 cdc_phonet | 12:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | BAD(TM) | 12:05 |
| eman | rmmod it and blacklist it | 12:05 |
| eman | vi /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf | 12:06 |
| eman | blacklist cdc_phonet | 12:06 |
| pinheiro | eman: and now? | 12:08 |
| pinheiro | reeboot » | 12:08 |
| pinheiro | ? | 12:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | rmmod cdc_phonet should suffice | 12:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | the do another lsmod|grep phonet | 12:11 |
| pinheiro | phonet 22279 0 | 12:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | to make sure it's gone (of course you need to unplug/replug the N950 prior to that) | 12:11 |
| pinheiro | phonet in red | 12:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm rebott | 12:12 |
| pinheiro | :D | 12:12 |
| pinheiro | hehhee | 12:12 |
| pinheiro | brb | 12:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err wut? your lsmod has color support? | 12:12 |
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| pinheiro | " | 12:37 |
| pinheiro | Server implements softupd protocol version 1.8 | 12:37 |
| pinheiro | Charging battery, 8 % battery level (11 % required). Ctrl-c to exit | 12:37 |
| pinheiro | " | 12:37 |
| pinheiro | at least its charging | 12:37 |
| pinheiro | BTW before briking the phone I noteced some icons are still not in the new style, if you guys wnat i can do them | 12:39 |
| pinheiro | They are fun to do | 12:39 |
| gri | pinheiro, Can you make NEW icons? I don't have one for my app | 12:40 |
| pinheiro | gri: shure | 12:40 |
| gri | pinheiro, Great - so what do you need to make one? | 12:41 |
| pinheiro | name od the app anad what does it do | 12:41 |
| pinheiro | screenshot apreciated | 12:41 |
| pinheiro | :D | 12:41 |
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| gri | Name is Web2SMS. Does send text messages over the internet (sms backends, site scraping etc.) | 12:43 |
| gri | pinheiro, useless video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwGAsi8e_7U | 12:43 |
| gri | screenshots ? (finder is slow as hell on ftp ..) | 12:44 |
| pinheiro | so it sends sms via internet services? | 12:46 |
| gri | yep | 12:46 |
| pinheiro | ok gotcha | 12:46 |
| gri | I also have a screenshot of the main screen (whose color is green) | 12:46 |
| pinheiro | any idea for the image? | 12:46 |
| gri | so the icon should atleast also have the same color :) | 12:47 |
| gri | except of that: no idea | 12:47 |
| pinheiro | greeen gotcha | 12:47 |
| pinheiro | let see if i can unbrick my n950 | 12:47 |
| pinheiro | :D | 12:47 |
| gri | pinheiro, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4691970/2011-09-13_08-09-07.png old screenshot but that's the color :) | 12:49 |
| pinheiro | idea a baloon with text? | 12:50 |
| pinheiro | what do you think? | 12:50 |
| gri | http://gri.not-censored.com/web2sms/Screenshot-20100531-220357.png | 12:50 |
| gri | the old icon was already a copy of the iPhone icon | 12:50 |
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| pinheiro | ok | 12:51 |
| pinheiro | will do later oki? | 12:51 |
| gri | but you could of course try copying the normal "messages" icon of the n9 just in green | 12:51 |
| gri | don't hurry :) I'm far away from publishing, so I don't need it now | 12:52 |
| pinheiro | cool | 12:52 |
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| pinheiro | eman: DocScrutinizer "Battery level 12 %, continuing. Erasing, this may take a while." | 13:00 |
| pinheiro | Erasing unsuccessful | 13:00 |
| pinheiro | Press Enter to exit | 13:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | umm, I suggest recharging battery a good bit, then retrying. Also using "old" flasher programm may help | 13:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/myimages/xtract22-6/ flasher* | 13:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [jr@lagrange ~]$ www-jr/maemo/950/myimages/xtract22-6/flasher --erase-mmc=foo | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | flasher 3.11.5 (May 17 2011) Harmattan | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | Possible erase MMC options: | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | secure | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | quick | 13:08 |
| pinheiro | DocScrutinizer: to charge i have the problem thst its only charging during the flashing process | 13:09 |
| pinheiro | that | 13:09 |
| pinheiro | if y plug the usb its goes in to a trun on and off loop and ends up with zero batery | 13:10 |
| gri | neat, 10 minutes before the sun was shining, now there is a hail storm with a almost 90? angle :P | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | gri: fall is here | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:11 |
| matrixx | here too, stormy wheather | 13:12 |
| pinheiro | still sumer +30 c here :P | 13:12 |
| matrixx | here's more like +10 c :( | 13:13 |
| * gri wants snow, snowboard wants to be used :) | 13:13 | |
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| pinheiro | DocScrutinizer: how do i use http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/myimages/xtract22-6/ | 13:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | copy flasher to your PC, invoke by #> ./flasher --help | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't know if 22-6 flasher can flash 34-2 extracted img.bin | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | or simply do the erase for that purpose | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's also a --charge-battery option in one of the flashers (or sth with a similar meaning) | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 13:37 |
| pinheiro | cool | 13:37 |
| pinheiro | i downloded the bin files as well | 13:37 |
| pinheiro | right now a realy old version would be a major improvment :D | 13:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, all that is based on the two OCF versions as found on http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/myimages/ , and the extract-OCF.sh script (plus some unzip or similar tools) | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can do exactly same on your PC | 13:42 |
| pinheiro | semas a bit to muchs sand for a silly designer | 13:42 |
| pinheiro | much | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you probably already got Linux_OCF_22-6_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin and Linux_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin | 13:42 |
| eman | pinheiro: Does dmesg show anything when it says that it failed to erase? | 13:43 |
| pinheiro | right now its at " | 13:43 |
| pinheiro | Server implements softupd protocol version 1.8 | 13:43 |
| pinheiro | Battery level 21 %, continuing. | 13:43 |
| pinheiro | Erasing, this may take a while. | 13:43 |
| pinheiro | " | 13:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | cool | 13:44 |
| leinir | pinheiro: yay! :) | 13:44 |
| pinheiro | its stays in that for 5 minutes | 13:44 |
| pinheiro | leinir: :) | 13:44 |
| leinir | It'll probably stay like that for some fifteen to twenty minutes, roughly | 13:44 |
| leinir | (securely erasing 16 GB of flash does take a while) | 13:44 |
| pinheiro | Battery level 21 %, continuing. | 13:44 |
| pinheiro | Erasing, this may take a while. | 13:44 |
| pinheiro | ERROR: Failed to erase MMC using 'secure' method | 13:44 |
| pinheiro | Erasing finished at 11:44:35 | 13:44 |
| pinheiro | Erasing unsuccessful | 13:45 |
| pinheiro | Press Enter to exit | 13:45 |
| leinir | damn... | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsssssck | 13:45 |
| leinir | Right, this will sound silly, but do you have a windows machine handy? | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | do a dmesg right now | 13:45 |
| pinheiro | leinir: yes and the result was the same | 13:45 |
| eman | gri: I found http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/hicg/ really useful for making an icon | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | dmesg|tail | 13:45 |
| leinir | damn | 13:45 |
| pinheiro | http://pastebin.com/MgiA17jA | 13:46 |
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| pinheiro | eman: i dont mind doing the icons they are not that many and thats one of the resons nokia sent me the n950 | 13:47 |
| eman | Ah, cool | 13:47 |
| pinheiro | now if i onley could make it work :) | 13:48 |
| pinheiro | only | 13:48 |
| eman | hmmm, stab in the dark, but perhaps run lsub -t and see if you can plug it into another bus? (may do absolutely nothing..) | 13:50 |
| pinheiro | lsub: command not found | 13:50 |
| eman | lsusb that is | 13:51 |
| pinheiro | right after try n#300 of the ./Linux_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin | 13:52 |
| eman | what distribution are you using btw? | 13:52 |
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| pinheiro | mandriva | 13:53 |
| pinheiro | do naot make fun of it :D | 13:53 |
| pinheiro | not | 13:53 |
| pinheiro | im a neebie for the last 13 years with it | 13:53 |
| pinheiro | :) | 13:53 |
| eman | heh, that's okay | 13:55 |
| pinheiro | it might very well be the batery thing | 13:56 |
| eman | I doubt it would make a difference to the erase, but you could also try checking the md5sum of Linux_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin to ensure it is 6eb05b04842fb9fae2451dc266888eb9 | 13:57 |
| lkslawek | pinheiro: did you try with a different computer? | 13:57 |
| lkslawek | I've got one that isn't working with flasher | 13:57 |
| pinheiro | lkslawek: 3 | 13:57 |
| pinheiro | 2 linux machines and a windows | 13:57 |
| lkslawek | pinheiro: but are those different hw? | 13:57 |
| pinheiro | forced my poor wife to boot in to windows | 13:58 |
| pinheiro | yes | 13:58 |
| pinheiro | 3 difrent machines | 13:58 |
| lkslawek | not a damaged/poor quality cable by any chance? | 13:58 |
| pinheiro | tried 3 | 13:59 |
| pinheiro | :D | 13:59 |
| pinheiro | hehehe | 13:59 |
| lkslawek | nice :) | 13:59 |
| pinheiro | using now my old n900 cable | 13:59 |
| pinheiro | thst im sure was fine | 13:59 |
| lkslawek | I did not read full conversation, I see you've been already told to blacklist phonet | 14:00 |
| lkslawek | did you try using flasher manualy already? | 14:00 |
| lkslawek | e.g. without erasing or with quick erase? | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | pinheiro: http://nokiainnovation.com/?p=1710#more-1710 | 14:01 |
| lkslawek | you can extract Linux_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin | 14:01 |
| lkslawek | and get a flasher and images from it | 14:01 |
| lkslawek | you could also try with --cold-flash | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what Ronan says, yes | 14:03 |
| pinheiro | i have the flasher here | 14:03 |
| pinheiro | so ./flasher -F RX-71.bin -F EMMC.bin --flash-only=mmc -f | 14:03 |
| lkslawek | I'm not familiar with those images | 14:04 |
| lkslawek | and I do not know why do you want to flash only mmc | 14:04 |
| lkslawek | but well, as I told, I did not read the whole topic | 14:04 |
| pinheiro | im completly clueless on :D | 14:04 |
| pinheiro | lkslawek basacly | 14:05 |
| pinheiro | Battery level 20 %, continuing. | 14:05 |
| pinheiro | Erasing, this may take a while. | 14:05 |
| pinheiro | ERROR: Failed to erase MMC using 'secure' method | 14:05 |
| pinheiro | Erasing finished at 11:59:41 | 14:05 |
| lkslawek | I think someone already published instructions how to get the contents out of one-click flasher | 14:05 |
| pinheiro | Erasing unsuccessful | 14:05 |
| pinheiro | Press Enter to exit | 14:05 |
| lkslawek | this is the shell script with an archive inlined | 14:05 |
| pinheiro | that is easy just open with ark | 14:05 |
| pinheiro | i see them here | 14:05 |
| lkslawek | the one-click flasher? well, nice tool this ark | 14:06 |
| lkslawek | I was extracting them with tail | tar | 14:06 |
| pinheiro | kde linux tool | 14:06 |
| pinheiro | http://wstaw.org/m/2011/10/07/plasma-desktopVg2499.jpg | 14:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Type the following: …/Win_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916>flasher.exe –c –F RX-71.bin –F emmc.bin –f. | 14:07 |
| lkslawek | aah, the self extracting .ee | 14:07 |
| lkslawek | I was thinking about linux one | 14:07 |
| lkslawek | s/\.ee/.exe | 14:07 |
| cos^ | ok, looks like Widget-based apps look really ugly on harmattan | 14:07 |
| pinheiro | DocScrutinizer: im at linux now | 14:08 |
| cos^ | should they have the default gray theme? | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/flasher.exe/./flasher/ | 14:08 |
| lkslawek | yes, DocScrutinizer looks good | 14:08 |
| lkslawek | that is his command | 14:08 |
| pinheiro | last thing were should i put the bin files? | 14:08 |
| lkslawek | and hold the power button on the phone | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | for extracting, see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/myimages/extract-OCF.sh | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | (or simply get the extracted files there) | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | pinheiro: it's completely irrelevant where the image files are stored, as long as your path in flasher command points to theem | 14:10 |
| pinheiro | gotcha | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | so if you store them in /foo/bar/emmc.bin, you need to use flasher –c –F /foo/bar/RX-71.bin –F /foo/bar/emmc.bin –f. | 14:11 |
| lkslawek | pinheiro: tail -c +1213 Linux_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin|tar xv | 14:12 |
| lkslawek | this is for extracting Linux version | 14:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems RX-71 is called img here | 14:13 |
| lkslawek | this will give you emmc.bin, img.bin and two archives with flasher (one for x86, one for amd64) | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | lkslawek: see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/myimages/extract-OCF.sh | 14:13 |
| lkslawek | DocScrutinizer: I can read bash | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | congrats | 14:14 |
| lkslawek | and one-click flasher is quite readable | 14:14 |
| pinheiro | ok lets test :D | 14:15 |
| lkslawek | this extract-ofc is a bit overdo | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe pinheiro can't, so for pinheiro: download http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/myimages/extract-OCF.sh, type #> source extract-OCF.sh; extract-OCF <path_to_[ ] Linux_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin > | 14:17 |
| gri | eman, I don't have anything, so I can't use the creator :) | 14:17 |
| pinheiro | i have extrated the flasher and the bin files out of the Linux_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin | 14:17 |
| lkslawek | DocScrutinizer: or he can just repaste the one lijne | 14:17 |
| pinheiro | that is done | 14:17 |
| lkslawek | DocScrutinizer: really complicated, right? | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | pinheiro: or simply get the files from http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/myimages/xtract/ (for 34-2) or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/myimages/xtract22-6/ | 14:18 |
| lkslawek | pinheiro: good | 14:18 |
| pinheiro | all i need is now to flash | 14:18 |
| lkslawek | pinheiro: now play with flasher until you get this working :) | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | lkslawek: if you feel this is complicated, you better not mess with harmattan | 14:18 |
| pinheiro | " ./flasher –c –F /foo/bar/RX-71.bin –F /foo/bar/emmc.bin –f" | 14:19 |
| pinheiro | type this? | 14:19 |
| lkslawek | DocScrutinizer: I feel that making a function instead of making script accept parameter is just wrong | 14:19 |
| lkslawek | but maybe someone cannot use PATH | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/RX-71.bin/img.bin/ | 14:19 |
| lkslawek | besides this code doing unnecesary things | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | lkslawek: go annoy somebody elseplease | 14:20 |
| pinheiro | ok so " ./flasher –c –F /foo/bar/img.bin –F /foo/bar/emmc.bin –f" | 14:20 |
| lkslawek | pinheiro: right | 14:20 |
| pinheiro | ./flasher –c –F /foo/bar/img.bin –F /foo/bar/emmc.bin –f | 14:21 |
| pinheiro | flasher 3.12.0 (Jun 30 2011) Harmattan | 14:21 |
| pinheiro | ERROR: Unknown arguments specified! | 14:21 |
| pinheiro | Usage: flasher [OPTIONS] | 14:21 |
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| frals | pinheiro: seems your copy/paste messed up the - character | 14:21 |
| eman | pinheiro: You need to erase it first | 14:21 |
| eman | flasher -a img.bin --erase-mmc=secure | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | yur - look like – | 14:21 |
| lkslawek | eman: not necassary | 14:21 |
| eman | Ah, okay. Didn't realise. | 14:22 |
| lkslawek | especially that his erasing dies :) | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | pinheiro: this are simple single minus signs, as usual for unix cmdline parameters | 14:23 |
| pinheiro | http://pastebin.com/5fYvd6R7 | 14:23 |
| pinheiro | yep fixed it | 14:23 |
| pinheiro | but | 14:23 |
| lkslawek | pinheiro: sudo | 14:23 |
| lkslawek | pinheiro: at the front, of course | 14:23 |
| pinheiro | sory thouught was root | 14:24 |
| pinheiro | i was not | 14:24 |
| pinheiro | http://pastebin.com/CMFt9SyP | 14:25 |
| lkslawek | this looks more and more like usb problems | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | this are USB problems | 14:26 |
| pinheiro | but it should have worked on windows right? | 14:27 |
| lkslawek | pinheiro: it should have worked everywhere :) | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | try this: http://www.geekdevs.com/2010/04/solved-unable-to-enumerate-usb-device-disabling-ehci_hcd/ | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | also make sure you are using a USB port that has no internal hub chip before it | 14:28 |
| pinheiro | ok | 14:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | some users got this working by booting a live-CD of an "ancient" linux distro, like Suse11.2 | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | or windows-XP instead of 7 | 14:31 |
| pinheiro | now the ideot phone does not want to poeweroff | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | 8s powerbutton should always shut off | 14:32 |
| frals | unless you broke your hw 8s powerbutton turns it off | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think some rogue software *could* disable that function in twl5031 | 14:33 |
| pinheiro | it poersoff but gets on back imidiatly | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's just the power-on default for 8s powerbutton to do a hard shutdown | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | pinheiro: as long as USB is connected, it is suppoised to do that | 14:34 |
| pinheiro | its not | 14:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol | 14:34 |
| lkslawek | I did happend to me after aborted flashing | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | 10 seconds holding powerbutton doesn't make it shutdown and stay off? | 14:34 |
| pinheiro | nope | 14:35 |
| pinheiro | loop | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | congrats, you achieved sth that'S considered impossible | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | remove battery | 14:35 |
| pinheiro | heheheehy | 14:35 |
| pinheiro | i wish | 14:35 |
| lkslawek | pinheiro: but maybe in your case you are just not catching the right moment | 14:35 |
| lkslawek | keep pressing just after reboot | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | or - first - try plugging it into a USB charger and/or PC | 14:35 |
| lkslawek | if it reboots when you holding button | 14:36 |
| frals | uh, if you fail during flashing i guess it might stick with some "dont power off flag" since flasher sends reboot-to-bootloader or similar | 14:36 |
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| lkslawek | then usually this doesn't work | 14:36 |
| frals | but otoh i have no clue how all that lowlevel stuff works | 14:36 |
| * frals takes weekend o/ | 14:36 | |
| DocScrutinizer | frals: o/ | 14:36 |
| pinheiro | i wish | 14:36 |
| lkslawek | pinheiro: hold it just after the loop starts from the beginning | 14:38 |
| lkslawek | i.e. the log lines with the kernel version | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | pinheiro: or simply plug it in to flasher, then power down while it's flashing | 14:39 |
| pinheiro | ./Linux_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin fixed that | 14:39 |
| lkslawek | hehe, "at least it powers down, but nothing more" | 14:39 |
| pinheiro | :D | 14:40 |
| pinheiro | yeay i can poerwit down now :) | 14:40 |
| pinheiro | now re test the comand | 14:40 |
| pinheiro | http://pastebin.com/Zpekntfh | 14:41 |
| pinheiro | same result | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, I'm fed up with all the cookies and flash shit on those pastebin.com pages | 14:42 |
| pinheiro | :( here its spam | 14:42 |
| pinheiro | any way same problem as before | 14:43 |
| lkslawek | pinheiro: well, I wasn't able to fix one of my PCs to work with flasher, but fortunatelly got other one working | 14:43 |
| lkslawek | so no experience on actual fixing :) | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | try an older linux version, try to flash 22-6 first | 14:44 |
| pinheiro | oki | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | (if that modprobe -r ehci_hcd didn't help) | 14:44 |
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| pinheiro | its working | 14:46 |
| pinheiro | modprobe -r ehci_hcd | 14:46 |
| pinheiro | modprobe -r ehci_hcd | 14:46 |
| pinheiro | aleluia | 14:47 |
| pinheiro | DocScrutinizer: rocks | 14:47 |
| * pinheiro if you hever need any UI work or QML noncense IM your man | 14:51 | |
| pinheiro | after the "./flasher -c -F img.bin -F emmc.bin -f" is done do i need to do somthing special? | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | see if your product version looks like you'd expect it to | 14:54 |
| pinheiro | soo plain reboot and im fine? | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | after modprobe -r ehci_hcd even the "normal" one-click-flasher should work | 14:55 |
| pinheiro | gess so | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup, I'd say it should just reboot into recent version | 14:55 |
| pinheiro | thank you so much | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw, been a pleasure to help | 14:56 |
| pinheiro | sepcialy for the patience | 14:56 |
| pinheiro | phingers crossed | 14:56 |
| pinheiro | pressing power buton | 14:57 |
| pinheiro | seams to work at least to boot | 14:58 |
| pinheiro | i see the circles | 14:58 |
| pinheiro | works | 14:59 |
| pinheiro | hufff | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | one more tip (to get me in on pastebins): cat | netcat paste.dyndns.org 1234 | 15:00 |
| pinheiro | ;) | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | not those many flash shitty ads, way faster to load | 15:01 |
| pinheiro | need to set it up on my plasma thingy | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 15:04 |
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| lfranchi | hi guys, just received an n950 yesterday. can't get it to turn on, though, so wondering if anyone can help me fix it :) things i've tried: fully charged (been plugged in overnight w/ white light on). held power down for lots of seconds. tried flashing, but flasher script doesn' recognize phone as plugged in | 15:55 |
| lfranchi | can't get it to turn on, basically | 15:55 |
| lfranchi | white light is on when plugged in (sort of flickering fast) but turns off as soon as i unplug it, stays off till i plug it back in | 15:56 |
| cos^ | sounds like your device is broken | 15:57 |
| lfranchi | yeah | 15:57 |
| cos^ | you could try removing the battery for a while (if mechanically possible) | 15:57 |
| lfranchi | is the n950 battery removable? looks pretty sealed off | 15:57 |
| matrixx | lfranchi: it's removable | 15:58 |
| matrixx | removing those four screws is part of the unboxing ;) | 15:58 |
| leinir | well, if you have some torx drivers you can remove it just fine... actually getting a hold of a battery though might be fun, no idea what's inside :) | 15:58 |
| lfranchi | heh | 15:58 |
| matrixx | you don't need them to keep the battery cover on | 15:58 |
| dm8tbr | Tx4 screw driver is part of my standard arsenal of tools | 15:58 |
| dm8tbr | and I always keep 2-3 fully charged spare bl-4d batteries in my pocket | 15:59 |
| lfranchi | yeah, i have the torx tip | 16:00 |
| cos^ | btw i managed to run my app on N950 today. but looks like it needs to be rewritten in QML :/ | 16:04 |
| cos^ | is there any application manager-like UI for harmattan yet? | 16:06 |
| dm8tbr | huh? | 16:06 |
| lfranchi | well, took the battery out | 16:07 |
| dm8tbr | lfranchi: if you have a multimeter, check the voltage | 16:07 |
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| cos^ | is "nokia account" really required to install anything? | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | fast flashing doesn't exactly sound like charging | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | will need a coldflash to enable charging, but will probably a charged battery for coldflash | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | +need | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | cos^: no, nokia account is needed to run map and drive app | 16:11 |
| lfranchi | no multimeter, unfortunately | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 16:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you don't happen to have a N900 or N810? | 16:13 |
| dm8tbr | flasher has a built in option to wait for charge if necessary | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: also on coldflash? | 16:13 |
| lfranchi | nope, no n810 or 900 | 16:13 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: I think it happened to me once on cold flash that it went *blip* and started waiting for charge | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: it *could* but I'm not sure if it actually does | 16:14 |
| dm8tbr | you can also force that manually | 16:14 |
| dm8tbr | -o or -O wait_charge or sthg like that. | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | --wait-charge | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 16:14 |
| dm8tbr | no | 16:14 |
| dm8tbr | it was an option and it's not for OCF but the real flasher | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 16:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | -O, --flash-option[=ARG] Set options for flashing | 16:15 |
| dm8tbr | then it't -O wait-charge or -O wait-charging - the channel log should know, achipa mentioned the correct option | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | strings flasher|grep wait-charging | 16:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | less +/charg www-jr/maemo/950/myimages/xtract/flasher64/usr/share/doc/flasher/changelog.gz | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | * libflc: check battery level before erasing. Fixes: NB#245695 | 16:39 |
| w00t | dm8tbr: it's -Owait-charging | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | * libflc: support ignoring battery level check for erase. Fixes: NB#251740 ;-P | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | * flasher: add RTC reboot capability -- .oO(???) | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | and just MEH for >>www-jr/maemo/950/myimages/xtract/flasher32/usr/bin/flasher: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.7' not found (required by www-jr/maemo/950/myimages/xtract/flasher32/usr/bin/flasher) << | 16:45 |
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| dm8tbr | whatever you are rambling on about... | 16:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 2.6.18-238.12.1.el5 | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 16:53 |
| * lfranchi tries -Owait-charging | 16:53 | |
| DocScrutinizer | CentOS | 16:53 |
| pinheiro | sily question but is there skype available ? | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, silly answer: dunno | 16:54 |
| pinheiro | dont see it on my acounts list | 16:54 |
| Venemo | pinheiro, nope, but you can hack it on | 16:54 |
| pinheiro | how? | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | bribe MohammadAG | 16:55 |
| artemma | In Settings->Programs there are tabs with text labels below the icon. When I am trying to use TabButtons, text is to the right of the icon. Why? Does it depend on the icon size maybe? | 16:55 |
| pinheiro | :D | 16:55 |
| leinir | Hmm... i should do that too... *pokes MohammadAG* ;) | 16:55 |
| leinir | 's the only thing i still use my n900 for regularly ;) | 16:56 |
| pinheiro | leinir: +1 | 16:56 |
| pinheiro | :D | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | skype?? | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | OMG | 16:56 |
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| leinir | (and since we skype once a week with work...) | 16:56 |
| pinheiro | leinir: way more than that, confcalls are a pain | 16:57 |
| pinheiro | :D | 16:57 |
| artemma | skype is the only thing I really don't like in n900. Whenever my designer tries using it he is never able to hear me well | 16:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | skype is the one thing that definitely *will* cut thru your battery in hours | 16:57 |
| pinheiro | and what about other types od acounts like msn and jabber? | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | SIP, works just fine here | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | even via 3G | 16:59 |
| * pinheiro trying to migrate to n950 :D | 16:59 | |
| DocScrutinizer | works on N950 as well | 16:59 |
| pinheiro | msn and jabber? | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's that? ;-P | 17:00 |
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| pinheiro | some silly IM protocols some more silly people use | 17:00 |
| pinheiro | :D | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought as much | 17:00 |
| dm8tbr | pinheiro: xmpp works just fine, look for the mc-tool hack in the chat history | 17:00 |
| pinheiro | hummm need to install repositories like in the n900 ? | 17:02 |
| dm8tbr | no | 17:03 |
| * dm8tbr still waits for someone to write an account ui for xmpp... | 17:03 | |
| pinheiro | :) | 17:03 |
| leinir | and status.net | 17:04 |
| dm8tbr | leinir: that would need more than the pure account ui woudln't it? for xmpp you only need to add the UI as the backend is already there | 17:04 |
| leinir | ...also, has anybody figured out how to share images on twitter yet? it seems a basic functionality for twitter these days, and well... it's not there... | 17:04 |
| leinir | dm8tbr: true :) | 17:04 |
| dm8tbr | *sigh* my reflash-sense is tingling... | 17:05 |
| dm8tbr | the n950 just drew a blank screen on installing some updates... :/ | 17:06 |
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| djszapi | Venemo: o/ | 17:12 |
| djszapi | I have 2 feature requests to irc-chatter :) | 17:12 |
| djszapi | 1) Logging of the channels and private conversations where I was "online" 2) Get proper away notifications. | 17:13 |
| Venemo | hey djszapi | 17:13 |
| Venemo | djszapi, ok, suggestions noted :) | 17:14 |
| djszapi | How can I send my messages on Harmattan if it failed for some reason ? I do not see an option yet to easily re-send somehow. | 17:16 |
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| leinir | djszapi: define "messages"... | 17:18 |
| djszapi | any, for instance, sms, but im messages, too.. | 17:18 |
| leinir | well, if there's no signal, an sms is sent when signal reappears... | 17:18 |
| leinir | other than that, yeah, a per-message details thing like on the n900 would be useful :) | 17:19 |
| djszapi | indeed, send the same message to someone else, etc. | 17:20 |
| djszapi | leinir: after a phone reboot, I could call the person, but prior to that, the sms did not get re-sent. | 17:22 |
| aheinecke | hey djszapi i'm trying to install your kdelibs5 packages but i get Broken Packages errors and libnepomuk4 seems to conflict with mp-harmattan-rm680-pr | 17:23 |
| aheinecke | do i need some additonal repo to install your packages? | 17:23 |
| djszapi | mmm, do you use the community repository or my repository ? | 17:25 |
| aheinecke | i have both in there | 17:25 |
| djszapi | I would try it out without my repository since that is not needed anymore, hopefully. | 17:25 |
| djszapi | I started working into the community repository only at some point back then. | 17:26 |
| aheinecke | ok | 17:27 |
| djszapi | even my very old feature phone could store messages and re-send it to anybody anytimes :p | 17:27 |
| djszapi | ahh long tap, and then there is a menu cool! | 17:28 |
| leinir | D'oh, of course there is - fairly key part of how you do stuff on harmattan, that :) | 17:29 |
| aheinecke | mh i currently can't install anything that depends on libgmp because i only get a 404 error from downloads.maemo.nokia.com for that package | 17:30 |
| djszapi | aheinecke: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/g/gmp/ | 17:31 |
| aheinecke | djszapi: thanks | 17:31 |
| djszapi | aheinecke: I was about to package kde-runtime, if you need that. If you would not like to use that, I have workaround for the rules file. | 17:33 |
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| aheinecke | djszapi: thanks i'm still getting my bearings with harmattan but ultimately i want to have kdepim-mobile running | 17:35 |
| aheinecke | what workaround for the rules file is necessary? | 17:35 |
| djszapi | DEB_DH_SHLIBDEPS_ARGS_kalgebra = -- -xkde-runtime -> That is what I used in kalgebra. | 17:36 |
| djszapi | I heard you guys got only one device instead of separate devices for the developers. That is very unfortunate. :( | 17:37 |
| aheinecke | yes, but we already have preordered some n9's so hopefully we can use an n9 for demonstrations and the n950 for development :) | 17:38 |
| djszapi | cool, would you be interested in a KDE Harmattan sprint ? | 17:39 |
| djszapi | I was planning to organize one, and I had a place to host us, too .. | 17:39 |
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| * lfranchi gives up. phone is a brick :( | 17:39 | |
| aheinecke | sounds interesting | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | lfranchi: what symptoms? | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | lfranchi: and do you have a wall charger? | 17:40 |
| djszapi | aheinecke: There were about 6-7 people interested in that. The place would be Berin. Financial support, I do not know .. | 17:40 |
| djszapi | :) | 17:40 |
| djszapi | Berlin* | 17:40 |
| lfranchi | Stskeeps: "just received an n950 yesterday. can't get it to turn on, though, so wondering if anyone can help me fix it :) things i've tried: fully charged (been plugged in overnight w/ white light on). held power down for lots of seconds. tried flashing, but flasher script doesn' recognize phone as plugged in. can't get it to turn on, basically. white light is on when plugged in (sort of flickering fast) but turns off as soon as i unplug it, | 17:40 |
| lfranchi | stays off till i plug it back in" | 17:40 |
| aheinecke | do you have any mailing list or so apart from kde-mobile? | 17:40 |
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| lfranchi | ive also removed the battery since then, and waited for a while | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | lfranchi: does flasher pick it up at all? charging with computer may not do it | 17:41 |
| lfranchi | nope, flasher doesn't pick it up | 17:41 |
| djszapi | aheinecke: mmm, yeah, but there was not much interest there previously about the kde packages :P I think primarily because KDE Developers did not have devices back then. | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | sudo ? | 17:42 |
| lfranchi | Stskeeps: linux/mac. on win7 the flasher fails to start, with an error | 17:42 |
| lfranchi | yeah | 17:42 |
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| djszapi | lfranchi: have you tried cold flash ? | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | lfranchi: what error? | 17:42 |
| lfranchi | djszapi: what's that / how do i try that? | 17:42 |
| djszapi | you sure the image has the proper checksum ? | 17:42 |
| djszapi | lfranchi: -c | 17:42 |
| lfranchi | Stskeeps: haha it works now | 17:43 |
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| lfranchi | 5th try (the flash software) | 17:43 |
| djszapi | nice :) | 17:43 |
| lfranchi | doesn't notice the phone plugged in though, so no dice | 17:43 |
| djszapi | aheinecke: I have two missing dependencies to package kde-runtime, libssh-dev (>= 0.4.0) libntrack-qt4-dev. | 17:44 |
| lfranchi | will try cold flash i guess | 17:44 |
| djszapi | unsure whether or not they can be optional. | 17:44 |
| djszapi | lfranchi: most important, checksum should be okay, checked that ? ;) | 17:44 |
| lfranchi | djszapi: will let you know after i re-download | 17:44 |
| djszapi | aheinecke: I am a bit forced with the date because of the other sprints, but it would be 18-20, November. | 17:46 |
| djszapi | if you think it is a good idea, I can post it on sprints.kde.org | 17:46 |
| djszapi | I was just a bit worried about the financial situation.. | 17:46 |
| lardman | argh, bloody svn | 17:46 |
| aheinecke | djszapi: ok i think it would be a good idea | 17:47 |
| lfranchi | Stskeeps: indeed. same on win7: waits at "suitable usb interface not found, waiting..." | 17:47 |
| aheinecke | i can't say for sure that i will make it there atm since i have to check with my boss first ;) | 17:47 |
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| djszapi | aheinecke: yeah, ideally we would need 2 people at least from the Harmattan platform with relevant experience, at least one very good packager, at least 1-2 ui designer or/and plasma developers, and other KDE developers as many as possible. | 17:49 |
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| djszapi | aheinecke: do you have experience with debian packaging ? | 17:58 |
| aheinecke | djszapi: yes some and i did some fremantle packaging | 17:59 |
| lfranchi | djszapi: no -c option to flasher? | 18:00 |
| djszapi | aheinecke: http://paste.kde.org/131035/ | 18:00 |
| djszapi | lfranchi: use the old flasher | 18:00 |
| lfranchi | ok | 18:00 |
| djszapi | but I think it should work without cold flash too, hopefully :p | 18:00 |
| lfranchi | got a link for me? | 18:00 |
| djszapi | so the checksum is ok ? | 18:01 |
| lfranchi | yeahm, checksum is good | 18:01 |
| djszapi | which OS ? | 18:01 |
| lfranchi | mac/linux/win :P | 18:02 |
| djszapi | Could you please try with Windows ? That seemed the most stable heretofore. More people, like apol and others could not manage it from Linux. | 18:02 |
| djszapi | but they could it from Windows. | 18:02 |
| lfranchi | yeah, on win7 right now | 18:02 |
| djszapi | cool, so what is the error message exactly as Stskeeps asked ? | 18:02 |
| lfranchi | it doesnt' find the plugged in phone | 18:03 |
| lfranchi | waits at "suitable usb interface not found, waiting..." | 18:03 |
| aheinecke | djszapi: looks just like a normal build error, would have to check the libssh sources | 18:03 |
| djszapi | aheinecke: I am about to disable the documentation generation since we do not need that on Harmattan after all :p | 18:04 |
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| lfranchi | djszapi: tried cold flash on win7, after extracting .exe and running flasher.exe -c, but still doesn't detect the usb interface | 18:09 |
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| djszapi | lfranchi: you are using beta2 image and followed the official steps, right ? | 18:10 |
| lfranchi | yeah | 18:10 |
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| djszapi | has it ever booted for you previously, or never ? | 18:10 |
| lfranchi | never (just got it yesterday) | 18:11 |
| djszapi | and you probably charged it for more than 15-20 minutes before trying to flash. | 18:12 |
| lfranchi | yeah, overnight | 18:12 |
| djszapi | you have never seen the Nokia logo after pressing the power on button, have you ? | 18:14 |
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| lfranchi | nope | 18:14 |
| lfranchi | never seen the screen on | 18:14 |
| djszapi | they may have left out the software ? :p | 18:15 |
| lfranchi | heh | 18:15 |
| lfranchi | wouldn't surprise me | 18:15 |
| djszapi | I am not sure how to get a beta1 image, but if you can get it easily, I would try with that, too | 18:15 |
| lfranchi | only sign of life is the white charging light | 18:15 |
| lfranchi | yeha, google hasn't been helpful finding that | 18:15 |
| djszapi | could you please give me the help output of your flasher binary ? | 18:16 |
| djszapi | maybe there is an option to know a bit more.. | 18:16 |
| aheinecke | mh lfranci i also got my device yesterday, after some charging it booted fine maybe your device really is broken | 18:16 |
| lfranchi | http://paste.kde.org/131059/ | 18:16 |
| djszapi | lfranchi: have you measured the battery somehow ? | 18:17 |
| djszapi | whether the battery is okay ? | 18:17 |
| lfranchi | if i had a meter i could, but i don't :p | 18:17 |
| djszapi | it got charged properly. | 18:17 |
| lfranchi | it's dead, jim. | 18:17 |
| djszapi | I have run out of the ideas.. | 18:18 |
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| djszapi | --query-rd-mode -> does it say anything ? | 18:18 |
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| djszapi | oh wait, there was a driver which had to be unloadded, but that was Linux.. | 18:18 |
| djszapi | unloaded* | 18:18 |
| lfranchi | no, that waits for the usb device to be plugged in which it never finds, too | 18:18 |
| djszapi | and this is a mini usb cable you used previously and works fine I guess. | 18:19 |
| lfranchi | yeah, the one i used for the n8 | 18:19 |
| aheinecke | mmh libraptor1 depends on libxsl1.1 which depends on libgcrypt11 >=1.4.2 which gets rejected by aegis because it's already installed, gnarf | 18:20 |
| * lfranchi wonders if it's even worth sending back, or if i should just keep the brick | 18:21 | |
| djszapi | aheinecke: an older version is already available on the platform that is not recent enough for some package ? | 18:21 |
| aheinecke | djszapi: yes | 18:21 |
| aheinecke | but i might have broken it by installing to many repos and now i have packages from strange sources where i removed the repos, mmh i'll probably just reflash and start from scratch again | 18:22 |
| djszapi | lfranchi: I would make sure about the battery so that, it is getting charged properly. | 18:22 |
| djszapi | lfranchi: other than that, I do not have more ideas.. | 18:22 |
| lfranchi | djszapi: me neither :P | 18:22 |
| djszapi | aheinecke: if you can start with clean table, that is good .. | 18:23 |
| djszapi | aheinecke: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/libg/libgcrypt11/ yes it is indeed old. | 18:24 |
| lfranchi | djszapi: does the n8 use the same battery? | 18:25 |
| lfranchi | ah, looks like it. trying that | 18:26 |
| djszapi | aheinecke: libxslt does not depend on the new version: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/libx/libxslt/libxslt_1.1.19-1osso4+0m6.dsc | 18:27 |
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| djszapi | aheinecke: the community repository has that package what you are mentioning. | 18:28 |
| djszapi | I am about to remove that from the community repository ... | 18:28 |
| djszapi | that messes up the things here. | 18:28 |
| djszapi | MohammadAG: ping | 18:30 |
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| lfranchi | djszapi: aha. | 18:32 |
| lfranchi | looks like it was a dead battery | 18:32 |
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| djszapi | the battery did not work in your N8 or the N8 batter worked in your N950 or both ? | 18:32 |
| lfranchi | the n8 worked in then950 | 18:33 |
| djszapi | rzr ping | 18:33 |
| lfranchi | trying the 950 one in the n8 now | 18:33 |
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| djszapi | aheinecke: actually we can remove libxslt from the community repository easily since the "official version" of that is also fine with libraptor1 | 18:33 |
| aheinecke | djszapi: cool | 18:34 |
| djszapi | and then it will work, you do not need to re-flash | 18:34 |
| pinheiro | so how does one get the console? | 18:34 |
| lfranchi | and yeah, batter doesn't load in the n8 | 18:34 |
| djszapi | I just need to find someone who can remove it since osc does not work here, it does not fetch all the packages.. | 18:34 |
| aheinecke | hehe to late for that :) already reflashed and installed development mode packages but thanks | 18:34 |
| djszapi | pinheiro: terminal ? | 18:34 |
| pinheiro | yes | 18:34 |
| djszapi | it was a statement ;) | 18:35 |
| aheinecke | pinheiro: settings -> security -> development mode | 18:35 |
| lfranchi | djszapi: thanks for encouraging me to not give up :) | 18:35 |
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| aheinecke | pinheiro: development mode will install terminal and openssh server | 18:36 |
| djszapi | aheinecke: could you please clone the repository if I give you admin right there ? Then you could delete it...Osc does not work here locally. | 18:36 |
| pinheiro | dudes its traslated into suplier mode | 18:36 |
| pinheiro | tss | 18:36 |
| aheinecke | djszapi: if you tell me how to do that :) i'm an obs newbie | 18:36 |
| djszapi | "osc up" only refreshes the already fetched packages. | 18:37 |
| djszapi | aheinecke: do you have a c-obs account ? | 18:37 |
| aheinecke | djszapi: yes aheinecke | 18:37 |
| pinheiro | the ssh was what i realy wanted | 18:37 |
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| djszapi | pinheiro: yes, use developer account with the relevant password from the sdk app | 18:38 |
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| svuorela | ...is there a way to remove the facebook and twitter apps? | 18:38 |
| djszapi | yes, but that is a security hole :p | 18:39 |
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| svuorela | djszapi: erm ? | 18:40 |
| djszapi | if devel{su/sh} does not work, I doubt it can be uninstalled "officially" without a jailbreak. | 18:42 |
| svuorela | oh. I have just tried thru the application manager thing | 18:42 |
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| djszapi | aheinecke: roger, libssh-dev is ready so one dependency left for kde-runtime :) | 19:00 |
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| rzr | djszapi: congratz | 19:06 |
| djszapi | rzr: hi, can you please remove libxslt ? | 19:07 |
| xsacha | how can i delete contacts on a nokia account that i synced to? | 19:07 |
| djszapi | from the community repository, we do not need that anymore since available officially. | 19:07 |
| xsacha | i just realised my n9 came with someone elses nokia account pre-loaded and it synced my contacts to their account | 19:08 |
| djszapi | rzr: and the community repository libxslt messes up the things. | 19:08 |
| rzr | ok | 19:09 |
| rzr | cant u do that too ? | 19:09 |
| djszapi | can you tell me how to get that package locally ? | 19:09 |
| djszapi | "osc up" does not get it. | 19:09 |
| djszapi | "osc getbinaries" doesn ot work | 19:09 |
| djszapi | "osc getbinaries" -> http://paste.kde.org/131125/ | 19:10 |
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| djszapi | rzr ^ | 19:11 |
| rzr | http://cdn.debian.net/debian/pool/main/libx/libxslt/ | 19:11 |
| rzr | this is the same one ^ | 19:11 |
| rzr | 1.1.26-8 | 19:11 |
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| djszapi | libxslt is provided officially by Nokia | 19:12 |
| rZr | not the one in my repo | 19:12 |
| djszapi | and that is good to go, we can remove it, otherwise we just get broken systems like above.. | 19:12 |
| rZr | I just disabled it | 19:12 |
| rZr | i am gone now | 19:12 |
| rZr | later | 19:12 |
| djszapi | ok I will delete it then .. | 19:12 |
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| aheinecke | djszapi: thanks i got to go now but will try installing again later | 19:36 |
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| faenil | hi everyone :) | 19:56 |
| djszapi | faenil: o/ | 19:57 |
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| augustl | anyone know when/if firefox is coming to the n9? | 20:54 |
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| faenil | it's already there | 20:55 |
| faenil | but it's worse than the default browser imho | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG | depends | 20:56 |
| MohammadAG | The UI's worse, the engine's better imo | 20:56 |
| faenil | but it's definitely choppier | 20:58 |
| faenil | it's not as smooth as default browser | 20:59 |
| augustl | faenil: where? Can't find it in the ovi store. | 20:59 |
| augustl | I'd love to try it out. To get my bookmars and history synced, if nothing else. | 20:59 |
| augustl | also tried to find a deb via google, can't find anything. | 21:01 |
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| faenil_ | http://my-meego.com/downloads/search.php?name=Firefox%20(Fennec) | 21:01 |
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| augustl | faenil_: found that actually. Doesn't look like a very safe place to get debs from.. | 21:02 |
| augustl | I don't deem ad powered 3rd party download sites particularly trusty.. ;) | 21:03 |
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| faenil_ | I know, but that's one of the few sources for meego software atm ;) | 21:03 |
| augustl | kind of strange that mozilla put the effort into making a n9 build and don't have one available from somewhere on mozilla.org | 21:04 |
| faenil_ | I know... | 21:04 |
| faenil_ | I downloaded it from there :) | 21:04 |
| augustl | cool, I'll try it out then | 21:05 |
| augustl | odd, the download link inlines the file in the browser instead of downloading | 21:06 |
| augustl | ugh and the site isn't curlable | 21:07 |
| augustl | heh just had to set the referer header | 21:08 |
| augustl | http://shmerl.freeshell.net/dev/fennec/meego_harmattan/nightly/fennec_9.0~a1_armel.deb is served as text/plain, no wonder | 21:09 |
| augustl | how do I install debs that I download on my desktop machine? | 21:09 |
| djszapi | faenil_: how is stuff ? | 21:10 |
| djszapi | MohammadAG: how can I use "osc genbinaries" properly for a package from the community repository ? Do you have an example command by hand ? | 21:10 |
| faenil_ | djszapi: good ;) u? | 21:10 |
| djszapi | faenil_: very busy, but I like those activities :) | 21:11 |
| faenil_ | djszapi: good :) | 21:11 |
| MohammadAG | djszapi, never figured out osc tbh | 21:12 |
| djszapi | MohammadAG: I planned to delete a package, but I could not get it fetched :( | 21:13 |
| ajalkane | I'm a bit lost how's best to save settings in harmattan. I'm wary of saving the settings each time user makes changes, I'd rather save them when user quits the program. But I'm not sure how to tap into that, the swipe down seems to kill the program without exiting Qt event loop | 21:27 |
| ajalkane | trapping kill signal and saving from that seems not safe, or is it? What's the best practice in handling this? | 21:27 |
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| Scifig | ajalkane, where are you storing the settings? | 21:30 |
| ajalkane | Scifig: QSetting | 21:31 |
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| ajalkane | +s | 21:32 |
| Scifig | Yep, I used QSettings to store settings to ini file. So far I don't have any interface to allow user to modify changes. Back to your question, IMO QSettings can take care of multiple setting(s) value changes. Why are you wary of saving the settings each time? | 21:34 |
| Scifig | From a user perspective I hate to see an Apply or Save button for settings (that is for Windows). | 21:35 |
| ajalkane | Scifig: I guess I'm wary because the performance might suffer, and/or writing to the storage many times unnecessary might degrade the flash memory. Maybe I'm being overly paranoid. But I'd rather have the settings saved only when the application is quit, that way there is no unnecessary saves. | 21:38 |
| ajalkane | For example, I have a list of items and the user can reorder the items in the list. It feels foolish to save all settings when the user reorders the items. | 21:39 |
| ajalkane | But I guess I rather take that approach if there is no easy solution | 21:40 |
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| artemma | depends on the platform standards | 21:41 |
| artemma | on mobile (symbian) instant setting save is the standard | 21:41 |
| artemma | though list reordering could be an exception | 21:41 |
| Scifig | But it depends on how time user would spend updating the settings | 21:41 |
| artemma | new macos x standard is instant save for documents, not sure about settings | 21:42 |
| artemma | older mac os x (up to snow leopard) require explicit Apply always | 21:43 |
| ajalkane | I haven't seen in Harmattan documents any standard about saving of settings | 21:43 |
| Scifig | artemma, I noticed that it is a standard in harmattan too. | 21:43 |
| ajalkane | Scifig: do you have a link to relevant section? | 21:43 |
| Scifig | looking at the settings screen. Not in documentation | 21:43 |
| artemma | I vaguely remember that exactly situation with list reordering can be exception that requires explicit Save on mobile. Just now sure where I've seen it | 21:44 |
| artemma | *not sure* | 21:44 |
| ajalkane | Scifig: yeah ok... but that still leaves the actual implementation unknown. You could just save when quitting the application, or saving immediately when changes are made. Either way, the user sees the behaviour the same (unless critical crash destroys the settings) | 21:44 |
| artemma | as for harmattan if I remember correctly there is some way for definiting a settings page declaratively -> then you automatically follow system standards :) | 21:45 |
| ajalkane | Ah yes, so that they go to the Settings page. I'd rather not go that route. | 21:45 |
| Scifig | ajalkane, how many setting(s) do you have? Are they simple strings/numbers of lists? | 21:48 |
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| Scifig | *or lists | 21:48 |
| djszapi | Is there a step by step guide for Harmattan how to deal with osc and the community repository ? | 21:48 |
| ajalkane | Scifig: the settings are simple strings and or numbers, sometimes lists of them. Not too big | 21:48 |
| artemma | ajalkane: wherever you implement it, you know system standard by now. It's up to you to see if there's good enough reason to override them :) | 21:49 |
| ajalkane | artemma: I dunno about the system standard, at least I didn't see anything in MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan Developer Documentation about it. But I think what you assumed is correct. The sticking point still being list reordering :-P | 21:50 |
| ajalkane | But I think I'll just try to save the settings each time a change is done, and worry about optimizing later if there's a performance problem. | 21:51 |
| artemma | docs are easier to find, but I trust what I see in system apps more than docs anyway ;) | 21:51 |
| artemma | users won't read docs you know | 21:51 |
| artemma | but they will learn how to use system apps | 21:51 |
| Scifig | personally I would see bug-free UI with slight performance hit (instant-save) than buggy implementation (trap kill signal) | 21:52 |
| ajalkane | artemma: hehe true... but like I said, the actual implementation is what I'm interested in, it can look the same to user | 21:52 |
| artemma | funny, right now I am discussing with my designer about how to do settings page for our qml app :) | 21:52 |
| djszapi | does someone know how to check out a new repository on Harmattan from c-obs, like the community repository ? | 21:52 |
| ajalkane | Scifig: true that | 21:53 |
| djszapi | by using osc for sure. | 21:53 |
| ajalkane | artemma: the thing is... the implementation might make a slight change to the buttons to use. For example, a dialog that doesn't immediately save the settings might have buttons "Accept" and "Cancel". However if the settings are immediately saved it would be more logical to use "Save" and "Cancel". | 21:54 |
| ajalkane | I've seen both kinds of buttons on harmattan | 21:54 |
| Scifig | I donno how your application looks, but if you follow the tree sequence like the system settings, then you can also put some list-reorder logic in back button | 21:54 |
| artemma | I would consider a "serious" change worth an Apply, Save or Retype. Something like changing security code or order of startup apps. Everything else should be as instant as system settings are | 21:55 |
| artemma | if settings are imnediately saved there are no buttons at all :) Except for Back maybe | 21:55 |
| Scifig | Basically use back button as apply/save. | 21:55 |
| ajalkane | Scifig: at the moment the main view of my application contains a list of items, with arrows to reorder them | 21:55 |
| ajalkane | But if there's saves each time reordering takes place, maybe I should have the reordering view be a different sub-view accessible for example from menu. With accept/cancel when happy with changes. | 21:56 |
| Scifig | artemma, You either have Apply or not. It confuses use when to hit apply or not regarding your "serious change" comment. IMO | 21:56 |
| Scifig | ajalkane, any screenshot? | 21:57 |
| ajalkane | artemma: I mean, if you make changes, but do not want to save them, isn't cancel good? If you're happy with the changes and want to "commit" them, then either "Save" or "Accept" is good? | 21:57 |
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| ajalkane | Scifig: sorry not right now... I could make an example but I have to hit the bed in a minute | 21:58 |
| Scifig | no problem | 21:58 |
| artemma | Serious settings to a separate page. Certainly you don't want to mix settings that need Apply/Cancel with the ones that ddon't need it | 21:59 |
| * artemma is leaving for a salsa party :) | 21:59 | |
| Scifig | artemma, +1 | 21:59 |
| artemma | anybody from Tampere here? | 21:59 |
| npm | can someone please build this for harmattan :-) http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/producer/imaschine/ | 22:00 |
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| Scifig | Heavy-duty re-ordering lists etc can happen in a separate screen, that can be accessed from the main light-weight (instant-save) settings page using separate icons/buttons/whatever for each list you want to modify? How does that sound? | 22:01 |
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| djszapi | lfranchi: https://sprints.kde.org/sprint/61 -> if you are interested in that, if not, sorry for spamming. Writing the topic, atm | 22:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't think carriers turning down the N950 had anything to do with the hinge. | 22:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've never seen such bad reception on a phone. | 22:50 |
| lfranchi | djszapi: most likely not, going to another conference thing a week or two before | 22:50 |
| djszapi | lfranchi: ah okay, good luck with that. | 22:51 |
| djszapi | have fun* | 22:52 |
| lfranchi | will do :) | 22:54 |
| djszapi | lfranchi: it might be that, it turns out a general KDE Mobile Sprint, we will see ;) | 22:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: It seems variable here. | 23:01 |
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| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, ever used an iPhone 4? :P | 23:18 |
| faenil_ | so isn't it a fw bug? it's the antenna itself? | 23:19 |
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| berndhs | i'm sure you can fix it with duct tape | 23:30 |
| faenil_ | I have just noticed I get less signal than on my N8 | 23:31 |
| faenil_ | I can't keep the n950 in my pocket, I have to keep it on the desk, otherwise I lose signal.. | 23:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, this is worse. | 23:36 |
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| * GeneralAntilles completely missed this: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/09/meego-rebooted-as-intel-and-samsung-launch-new-tizen-platform.ars | 23:54 | |
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