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Gabor | hi | 00:27 |
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Gabor | can u tell me if it is possible to install 1.2 to lenovo x200? | 00:28 |
CosmoHill | MeeGoBot: supported processors? | 00:28 |
MeeGoBot | CosmoHill: Supported Processors are http://wiki.meego.com/Supported_Processors | 00:28 |
Gabor | yy | 00:28 |
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mikhas | o/ | 00:29 |
Gabor | and does it automatically recognize my dualboot grub system? | 00:29 |
gabrbedd | Gabor: No. | 00:29 |
Gabor | oh | 00:30 |
gabrbedd | Gabor: I think it sort of detects the other OS... but installs extlinux in the MBR. | 00:30 |
Gabor | okey | 00:30 |
Gabor | so that means that it'll use its own bootloader? | 00:31 |
gabrbedd | extlinux is able to load (either directly or chainload) your other OS. | 00:31 |
Gabor | that will recognize both my ubu, and win7 also? | 00:31 |
gabrbedd | Or you can go back and re-install grub to the MBR and set it up to load MeeGo. | 00:31 |
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gabrbedd | check the wiki... I'm sure somebody's written something about it... somewhere. | 00:31 |
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Gabor | okey | 00:32 |
Gabor | thank u | 00:32 |
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jords | Is there a description of what hardware each of the images is for somewhere? I'm trying to find the best image for a i5 ULV tablet ( asus ep121{) | 00:45 |
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gabrbedd | jords: probably a pineview image will work. | 00:48 |
gabrbedd | errr... pinetrail. | 00:48 |
jords | :) | 00:48 |
jords | Yeah technically any x86 should run i guess and with this much cpu power compared to an atom should be smooth... do you know what the mflt and mrst images are for? | 00:49 |
gabrbedd | jords: fwiw pineview and pinetrail are sort of the same thing. just that pineview is specifically talking about either the graphiics on the atom chip, or possibly the atom chip itself. (I don't remember) | 00:50 |
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CosmoHill | gabrbedd: pinefresh | 00:50 |
gabrbedd | mrst == moorestown. I doubt that'll work. | 00:50 |
gabrbedd | i dunno about mflt. | 00:50 |
jords | Ah yeah just wondered. I'll try the pinetrail then - hope the graphics works | 00:50 |
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gabrbedd | CosmoHill: Pinesol | 00:50 |
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jords | this just has the built in pre-sandy bridge processor graphics | 00:51 |
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jords | so don't know what the linux driver situation for that is | 00:51 |
gabrbedd | i-series have integrated graphics+cpu, like the atoms. AFAIK the atoms and i-series have a very similar architecture. | 00:53 |
gabrbedd | ...but I'm talking out of turn when it comes to architecture. :-) | 00:54 |
jords | ok... well worth a try then :) | 00:54 |
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TheXception | hi | 01:20 |
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TheXception | w00t_: did you solve your problems with "Warning: QEglContext::swapBuffers(): Bad surface (0x300D)" you had some time ago? | 01:21 |
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Alison_Chaiken | gdgt opines on M*s**t possibly buying N***a: http://gdgt.com/discuss/why-would-microsoft-buy-nokia-dg3 | 01:50 |
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thiago | what/who is gdgt? | 01:54 |
Stskeeps|holiday | like a more tight engadget? | 01:55 |
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thiago | I don't think it makes sense for MS to buy Nokia | 01:56 |
thiago | buy a stake so they get a seat at the board of directors, on the other hand... | 01:57 |
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TheXception | hm don't know what i did in the last seconds but the gui stopped rendering black boxes and the gui elements appeared on a gma500 device | 01:59 |
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TheXception | anyone else around working with a gma500 and trying meego? | 02:08 |
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Alison_Chaiken | gdgt is a newer blog started by the guys who founded Engadget and then sold it to AOL. | 02:18 |
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sivang | re all | 03:38 |
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nasa | Anyone home? | 04:14 |
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Stskeeps|holiday | mm? | 04:15 |
Stskeeps|holiday | well, not exactly -home-.. | 04:16 |
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ver | i'm at my home office.. | 04:16 |
nasa | home is where the heart is... Or so I've heard. | 04:17 |
ver | well, it's where i keep my junk at least. | 04:18 |
berndhs | i moved too many times, I have no home | 04:18 |
* nasa knows how that is | 04:18 | |
ver | how about: home is where your phone charger is. | 04:18 |
nasa | my car? | 04:19 |
nasa | So, have people been trying out 1.2? | 04:19 |
berndhs | yes a little | 04:20 |
berndhs | it doesnt like my installed apps | 04:20 |
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berndhs | something wrong in the .desktop files maybe, don't know yet | 04:21 |
berndhs | connman is still ignoring ipv6 | 04:21 |
ver | i couldn't get it to boot on anything i own | 04:21 |
nasa | I've been trying out ivi | 04:21 |
ver | nasa, how is it? | 04:22 |
nasa | I like the interface, much better than before | 04:22 |
ver | also, on what? | 04:22 |
nasa | I actually got it running on mini-itx box (my actual car pc) | 04:22 |
ver | very cool | 04:23 |
ver | did you use a build or did you compile it yourself? | 04:23 |
nasa | it doens't actually fit the *supported* platforms, but a little work and it on | 04:23 |
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nasa | But, it does have some real quirky things with it... | 04:24 |
ver | suspending? :) | 04:24 |
nasa | Like it suspends the monitor after a few moments of inactivity -- which makes sense for a phone, not so much for a car | 04:24 |
ver | hehe yeah | 04:25 |
nasa | And I can't find any settings to stop that. | 04:25 |
berndhs | saw some quirky suspend behaviour on netbook too | 04:25 |
ver | especially if you're driving at night and blindly whacking your fingers against the dash to change the track "No Gaga, noooo!" | 04:25 |
akk | There's a way to make it suspend? | 04:25 |
nasa | lol | 04:25 |
ver | berndhs, i couldn't get it to resume after suspend. | 04:25 |
ver | it resumed, suspended, resumed, suspended. | 04:26 |
berndhs | I saw it starting to dim the screen, then hit a bung of keys, but was too late | 04:26 |
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berndhs | s/bung/bunch/ | 04:26 |
infobot | berndhs meant: I saw it starting to dim the screen, then hit a bunch of keys, but was too late | 04:26 |
nasa | I believe there are bug reports for these suspend issues | 04:26 |
berndhs | I've seen that is other screensavers, its like its teasing you | 04:26 |
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akk | Is there a way to suspend from the tablet UX? Or do you need a terminal and a keyboard attached? | 04:26 |
berndhs | gives you 15 secs of misery wathcing it go away | 04:27 |
nasa | 17393 for example | 04:27 |
ver | suspending is an implementation nightmare on linux-based stuff. | 04:27 |
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ver | only a handful of desktop distros have working suspend/hibernate and of those it wouldn't surprise me if they rely on uswsusp-style software hibernation rather than ACPI S*. | 04:28 |
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ver | if most of them rely* | 04:28 |
nasa | And know you are not alone: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=358&highlight=power&page=1 | 04:28 |
akk | most of the desktop distros do ACPI S, at least on common intel hardware | 04:28 |
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* nasa notes the suspend issue is the 2nd biggest pain with trying the 1.2 IVI | 04:29 | |
sergiusens | berndhs: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14930 | 04:30 |
MeeGoBot | Bug 14930 nor, High, 1.2, chengwei.yang, NEW, valid desktop (.desktop) files not being shown, missing trailing semicolon | 04:30 |
sergiusens | that could be a reason why your apps aren't showing up | 04:31 |
berndhs | thanks, I'll check it out | 04:31 |
berndhs | these worked ok in 1.1.99 | 04:33 |
nasa | ver: I used a build | 04:33 |
RhymeswA | I have the new (5/19) 1.2 image on a asus netbook, works happily, np with suspend | 04:34 |
nasa | There's always got to be one :} | 04:34 |
nasa | Is it common amongst all the verticals that only music that is under /home/meego/music is used by the music app? | 04:35 |
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lbt | o/ from SF | 05:57 |
Ronksu | _o/ | 05:58 |
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lbt | mine just died ;( | 06:00 |
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Stskeeps|holiday | o/ lbt | 06:53 |
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lbt | hey Stskeeps|holiday | 07:20 |
lbt | just ate | 07:20 |
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akk | grr, bad time to ask, I know ... but does anyone know if there's something like a reset button on an ExoPC? | 07:23 |
akk | I installed the latest 1.2.0, and it just locked up, and pressing the power button isn't power cycling like it did with the old version. | 07:23 |
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lbt | press and hold akk | 07:27 |
lbt | like ordinary PC | 07:27 |
akk | I found the little paperclip button, but I've tried pressing and holding there, pressing and holding the power button, and both at the same time ... no luck. | 07:27 |
akk | Any tips? | 07:27 |
akk | press and hold what? | 07:27 |
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akk | It shouldn't be a power problem -- it's fully charged and still plugged in. | 07:30 |
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Stskeeps|holiday | lbt, cool | 07:32 |
Stskeeps|holiday | we're heading for sleep, came back from santa cruz | 07:32 |
lbt | *nod* us too | 07:33 |
lbt | v. tired :) | 07:33 |
lbt | bit miffed the laptop power supply looks dead | 07:33 |
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Stskeeps|holiday | 110v vs 220v issue? | 07:34 |
lbt | no... broken core by the plug I think | 07:34 |
Stskeeps|holiday | ah | 07:34 |
lbt | cable wiggle works a little bit | 07:34 |
lbt | now googling "buy power in SF" | 07:35 |
akk | wonder if Fry's is still open? You could stop on the way. | 07:36 |
akk | nope, 9pm | 07:36 |
lbt | akk: do you know sf? | 07:36 |
lbt | I'm at the Hyatt now | 07:36 |
akk | no, I'm in san jose | 07:36 |
lbt | so need to get a psu | 07:37 |
akk | there's a mall way over on the west side of SF, but I'm sure there's something a lot closer, I just don't know where | 07:37 |
lbt | OK .. I'll google a bit | 07:38 |
Stskeeps|holiday | lbt: plenty of shops on market st as well | 07:42 |
ieatlint | lbt: i know sf | 07:51 |
ieatlint | what are you looking for? | 07:52 |
lbt | ieatlint: hey | 07:53 |
lbt | I have a compaq 6910p laptop .... the power adaptor cable seems broken | 07:53 |
lbt | so I need a new adaptor | 07:53 |
lbt | found http://www.centralcomputers.com/index.htm | 07:54 |
lbt | quite close | 07:54 |
ieatlint | yeah, centralcomputer is the only computer place in the city | 07:54 |
ieatlint | we then have "best buy", which would be like dixons | 07:54 |
ieatlint | which may or may not have an adapter | 07:54 |
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lbt | yeah ... these things are so model specific | 07:55 |
ieatlint | if neither of those work, you're in trouble… there's the infamous frys electronics, but they're not close to sf | 07:55 |
lbt | I have a dell ... same plug/polarity but 19.5 not 18.5 ... doesn't work | 07:55 |
ieatlint | yeah, central computer likely sells a "generic" laptop adapter that will have a bag of 10+ tips for the adapter that may work for you | 07:56 |
ieatlint | you may be in trouble… can probably find a way to order one, but you likely won't get it until tuesday morning | 07:56 |
lbt | fingers crossed :) | 07:56 |
ieatlint | yeah, take a walk over to central computer | 07:57 |
lbt | may buy miniscrewdriver ... transplant hdd | 07:57 |
lbt | gah.... opening hours... sat 10:30 am | 07:58 |
ieatlint | http://www.centralcomputers.com/commerce/catalog/product.jsp?product_id=76203&czuid=1305953410421 ? | 07:58 |
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lbt | \o/ | 07:59 |
ieatlint | note the "call for in-store availability" | 08:00 |
ieatlint | and the online listings can differ from in-store — they may have another similar item, etc… you'll likely need to go down there | 08:00 |
akk | If they don't have it at that store they might be able to get it -- there are several Central stores around. | 08:00 |
ieatlint | yep | 08:00 |
ieatlint | and frys failing that | 08:00 |
akk | yeah, you can always spend a couple hours making a Fry's run | 08:01 |
lbt | akk ... in a taxi ... :( | 08:01 |
lbt | ieatlint: yes, saw that ... I'll call in the morning | 08:01 |
Stskeeps|holiday | 08:01 | |
lbt | the OBS tutorial in the pm may be a little more ad-hoc than previously planned .... :) | 08:02 |
akk | yeah, unfortunately I don't think any Frys are close to caltrain or bart. | 08:02 |
Stskeeps|holiday | expressive dance | 08:02 |
lbt | but... Denise managed to get the wire wiggled the right way long enough to boot and copy presentations onto a usb stick... so may be OK for that | 08:03 |
akk | Maybe you can borrow a compaq power supply during the talk? | 08:03 |
ieatlint | looks like best buy might have one if central computer doesn't | 08:03 |
ieatlint | there are 2 best buys in san francisco, both are reachable by taxi or public transit | 08:03 |
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lbt | ieatlint: are you around in the am? | 08:04 |
lbt | I'll call central when they open | 08:04 |
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lbt | and if it's a no-no I may need some advice on next steps | 08:04 |
ieatlint | i'll be at the hotel tomorrow before 9am | 08:04 |
ieatlint | i'm helping to give the intro to qt sessions | 08:04 |
lbt | OK - I'm sure we'll bump into each other then | 08:05 |
ieatlint | i'm currently perhaps in view of your hotel room, if you can see treasure island | 08:05 |
lbt | on 17th floor ... can see a fair way | 08:05 |
ieatlint | if you see a bridge, that's the bay bridge, and i'm on the island it goes to | 08:06 |
lbt | ah, we look the other way... shame ... I'd have taken a flash photo ;) | 08:07 |
ieatlint | haha | 08:07 |
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zehjotkah | hi | 08:07 |
lbt | "somewhere in this photo is ieatlint" | 08:07 |
ieatlint | indeed | 08:07 |
ieatlint | i'm out where you can get some of the best views of the city | 08:07 |
lbt | I can imagine... the view from here is nice and it's right in it | 08:08 |
wmarone__ | good to hear everyone is arriving | 08:09 |
wmarone__ | or has | 08:09 |
wmarone__ | heh | 08:09 |
ieatlint | not the best pic, but here's one from where i am http://www.rickbucich.com/wp-content/original/2011_03/San-Francisco-Skyline-16.jpg | 08:09 |
akk | nice! | 08:10 |
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Termana | morning | 08:14 |
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Jay_BEE | hi, is anyone successfully using meego sdk on ubuntu 64-bit? | 08:31 |
* Jay_BEE heads to ubuntu site to grab 32-bit edition... | 08:32 | |
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alterego | Jay_BEE: I use 64bit and SDK, but my setup is somewhat customised. | 08:55 |
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alterego | I pretty much manually installed everything from git | 08:56 |
thiago | Stskeeps|holiday: are you up? | 08:56 |
alterego | I doubt he's up if he's in the US already ;) | 08:57 |
alterego | Though me may not be asleep yet I guess. | 08:58 |
thiago | it's only 23:00 in California now | 08:59 |
alterego | He's also with his Wife I think :P | 08:59 |
Jay_BEE | alterego: interesting... attempting to install the meego sdk under 64-bit ubuntu 10.10 resulted in the error "No such file or directory" | 09:00 |
alterego | Jay_BEE: chmod +x your download file | 09:00 |
alterego | Oh wait | 09:00 |
alterego | You need to install ia32 lib support. | 09:00 |
Jay_BEE | did that first | 09:00 |
Jay_BEE | oh | 09:00 |
Jay_BEE | hmm | 09:00 |
alterego | sudo apt-get install ia32-libs | 09:00 |
Jay_BEE | awesome... thx | 09:00 |
Jay_BEE | trying that now | 09:00 |
alterego | np | 09:01 |
alterego | I'm cutting this pretty close, I need to get a coach in under an hour | 09:01 |
Jay_BEE | alterego: that did it! install meego sdk now! w00t | 09:02 |
alterego | :) | 09:02 |
alterego | Have fun :) | 09:03 |
zehjotkah | he is with his wife here in SF and he was up about 2 hours ago (Carsten (stskeeps)) | 09:03 |
alterego | Cool | 09:03 |
alterego | zehjotkah: feeding the tmo users I see :P | 09:03 |
zehjotkah | sure, that what I do best ;) joking... | 09:04 |
alterego | It's unbelievable that, that group of people were only a week ago knocking Nokia and saying they'd never buy a Nokia again .. | 09:04 |
alterego | Now look at them. | 09:04 |
alterego | Looking at an advert frame by frame. | 09:04 |
Jay_BEE | LOL | 09:04 |
Jay_BEE | so true | 09:05 |
alterego | Anyway, I've almost finished downloading the 1080p version so I can watch it on loop on the 11hr journey. | 09:05 |
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Jay_BEE | heh. | 09:06 |
* alterego chuckles | 09:06 | |
alterego | I have to admit, it looks really pretty, I kinda get the same sort of view that I had when the N810 was released. | 09:06 |
alterego | Which was pretty sexy | 09:07 |
alterego | But, I don't see much point in getting hopes up, we'll see what happens. | 09:07 |
Jay_BEE | agree. | 09:07 |
alterego | As it stands, with the rumoured specs, I'd probably still get one as a healthy upgrade to the N900. | 09:07 |
alterego | I just hope it has HDMI and a compass. | 09:08 |
ieatlint | i'm hoping for nfc | 09:08 |
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zehjotkah | okay, I'm going to sleep | 09:08 |
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zehjotkah | still exhausted because of the flight | 09:09 |
alterego | g'night zehjotkah see you tomorrow ;) | 09:09 |
alterego | Or today for me | 09:09 |
zehjotkah | :) | 09:09 |
alterego | But whatever :D | 09:09 |
zehjotkah | :D | 09:09 |
Jay_BEE | i'll be there tomorrow | 09:09 |
alterego | I lose just under 3 hours :D | 09:09 |
ieatlint | all i can say, is qt-mobility 1.2 has a lot of stuff targeted towards harmattan | 09:09 |
zehjotkah | yeah, I'm confused as wll with the time^^ | 09:09 |
ieatlint | and if this is the only harmattan device… | 09:09 |
zehjotkah | alterege: where do you come from | 09:09 |
alterego | ieatlint: I should hope so :) | 09:09 |
zehjotkah | ? | 09:09 |
alterego | zehjotkah: UK | 09:09 |
zehjotkah | have we met before? | 09:10 |
ieatlint | i might drop by the hyatt bar tomorrow evening | 09:10 |
ieatlint | see peoples, have a drink | 09:10 |
zehjotkah | I'll be there too | 09:10 |
alterego | zehjotkah: Unlikely, though anything is possible. | 09:10 |
zehjotkah | :D | 09:10 |
alterego | I've never been to a conference/summit before. | 09:10 |
zehjotkah | okay | 09:10 |
zehjotkah | then we'll meet later | 09:10 |
zehjotkah | bye | 09:10 |
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wazd | Anybody alive in sf? :) | 09:11 |
Jay_BEE | this will be my first meego conference... i was CES this past January with a dead N900, luckily one of the guys from Nokia took pity on me and helped me rescue it | 09:11 |
alterego | :) | 09:11 |
ieatlint | wazd: i am | 09:11 |
ieatlint | the rapture doesn't hit until later | 09:11 |
Jay_BEE | ... | 09:11 |
wazd | I've just parked myself and want to drink LD | 09:11 |
wazd | 17 hours of airports and planes | 09:12 |
ieatlint | hrm, i'm arguing with myself if i should head over for a drink | 09:12 |
wazd | kearny st 935 | 09:13 |
ver | i'm building wayland from source. i'm drinkin. | 09:13 |
ieatlint | yeah, too far for me right now | 09:14 |
* thiago needs a new N900 battery | 09:15 | |
thiago | does anyone have a BL-5J in good condition they want to donate? | 09:16 |
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ieatlint | thiago: i actually have a spare… i may be willing to part with it | 09:16 |
thiago | then again, I can probably order it internally... | 09:19 |
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gabrbedd | Morning everyone! How's the jetlag coming? | 17:32 |
* Ronksu laughs at jetlag | 17:32 | |
Ronksu | woke up at 0600 without alarm (that would usually be required) :) | 17:32 |
gabrbedd | Ronksu: yep... that's probably what will happen for me, too. | 17:34 |
gabrbedd | :-) | 17:34 |
* gabrbedd will be there tomorrow | 17:34 | |
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Ronksu | gabrbedd: I'm sure jetlag will have its revenge still :) | 17:34 |
gabrbedd | Ronksu: did you come from across the pond? Or just the east coast? | 17:35 |
Ronksu | gabrbedd: "accross the pond" :D.. came from Finland yes :) | 17:36 |
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gabrbedd | Ronksu: Maybe you'll get lucky. :-) | 17:37 |
Ronksu | we shall see. Now I need to go find something to eat. | 17:40 |
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phaeron | lbt: hey | 18:03 |
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gabrbedd | lbt: too much bacon... or too much tango? | 18:07 |
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bkalinga1 | Hi I tried graphical installer for meego 1.2 on Ubuntu 11.04 but got some errors during the installation | 18:22 |
Stskeeps|holiday | sdk, you mean | 18:23 |
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lbt_2 | hey phaeron | 18:25 |
lbt_2 | gabrbedd: too much airplane :) | 18:25 |
* lbt_2 about to go on a bacon hunt.... | 18:25 | |
gabrbedd | :-) | 18:25 |
lbt_2 | anyone else going for bfast? Stskeeps|holiday X-Fade DawnFoster gabrbedd ? | 18:25 |
bkalinga1 | Stskeeps|holiday: yes meego sdk 1.2 | 18:26 |
Stskeeps|holiday | been there done that | 18:26 |
lbt_2 | pfft | 18:26 |
lbt_2 | what's good? | 18:26 |
* gabrbedd already had breakfast at his home in Texas | 18:26 | |
DawnFoster | not really a breakfast person :) | 18:26 |
Stskeeps|holiday | we went for the hostel bfast. toast, jam, coffee ;) | 18:26 |
gabrbedd | no bacon, tho | 18:26 |
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lbt_2 | gabrbedd: ah, nm | 18:27 |
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bkalinga1 | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3366 | 18:29 |
bkalinga1 | Is there anyone who got the same problem while installing meego1.2 on Ubuntu? | 18:30 |
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bkalinga1 | *ubuntu 11.04 | 18:31 |
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bkalinga1 | hi some expert around there...Can I install meego1.2 netbook in my laptop? | 18:48 |
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bkalinga1 | along side Ubuntu and Win XP | 18:48 |
gabrbedd | bkalinga1: Yes you can, but you pretty much need to know what you're doing. | 18:52 |
gabrbedd | bkalinga: The trick is that MeeGo will write extlinux to your MBR and use that as a boot loader. | 18:52 |
gabrbedd | bkalinga1: if you want to use grub... you'll have to go back and re-set-up grub somehow. | 18:53 |
gabrbedd | bkalinga1: otherwise, you'll need to set up all your OS's with extlinux. The installer does an OK (not great) job of detecting your other OS. | 18:53 |
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gabrbedd | bkalinga1: Also I'm not confident in meego's partition resizing -- and it WILL NOT resize an ntfs partition. It's very easy to confuse the partitioner in the meego installer. | 18:54 |
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bkalinga1 | ok | 18:57 |
bkalinga1 | but when i run the graphical installer for meego 1.2sdk on ubuntu 11.04 i am getting some error | 18:58 |
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newbie007 | does anyone know the latest status of getting meego on the nookcolor? Can I help? | 18:58 |
bkalinga1 | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3366 | 18:59 |
gabrbedd | bkalinga1: Are you talking about installing MeeGo, or the MeeGo SDK. The two are different. | 19:01 |
bkalinga1 | yes i understand.... | 19:01 |
gabrbedd | bkalinga1: Also, it may be a few days before someone can help with installing the 1.2 SDK + Ubuntu 11.04. | 19:01 |
gabrbedd | bkalinga1: Most everyone who knows anything is either in San Francisco at the meego conference or enjoying their saturday. | 19:01 |
bkalinga1 | please look at the thread and i am facing same problem | 19:01 |
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gabrbedd | bkalinga1: I do not use the "graphical SDK". I'm sorry, I can't help you. | 19:02 |
bkalinga1 | when using the graphical installer on ubutnu 11.04 | 19:02 |
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bkalinga1 | how did u upgrade to 1.2? | 19:02 |
bkalinga1 | http://developer.meego.com/guides/getting-started/getting-started-meego-v1.2-sdk-linux | 19:04 |
bkalinga1 | i am following steps described in above wiki link | 19:04 |
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gabrbedd | upgrade to 1.2 SDK or a 1.2 MeeGo install? I don't think you can "upgrade" the SDK. | 19:05 |
Reduced_Oxygen | anyone know if meego works on the imate jasjam? | 19:05 |
Reduced_Oxygen | or dopod | 19:05 |
Matan[M] | kurwaaaaa koniec świata! | 19:05 |
Reduced_Oxygen | anybody? | 19:07 |
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jefferai | hey, when I install the SDK, I see fonts like this: http://www.fotoshack.us/foto.php?id=46057fonts.png | 19:34 |
jefferai | anyone know what's wrong? | 19:34 |
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lbt_2 | Stskeeps|holiday: ping | 19:40 |
Jay_BEE | nice fonts... | 19:40 |
ieatlint | Jay_BEE: i'd be the guy in the room up front with the usb keys | 19:41 |
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Jay_BEE | ieatlint: i'm sitting next to you in the first row who has one of your usb keys :) | 19:42 |
ieatlint | haha, hi | 19:43 |
* TSCHAKeee just posted the following status to Facebook: so uh, how many of you have been raptured up? ... none of you? oh well. *points-and-laughs* HAAAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA | 19:43 | |
* Jay_BEE waves | 19:43 | |
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ieatlint | TSCHAKeee: doesn't happen in san francisco until 6pm | 19:43 |
ieatlint | i'm confident i will get raptured still | 19:43 |
* Jay_BEE nods in agreement at ieatlint hehe | 19:44 | |
* lbt_2 had some rapture earlier... | 19:44 | |
Jay_BEE | i'd rather install the MeeGo SDK | 19:44 |
gabrbedd | lbt_2: TMI | 19:44 |
Jay_BEE | heh | 19:44 |
ieatlint | i tried to get the meegosdk, but there's no offline version of the 1.2 release i could find to download | 19:44 |
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Jay_BEE | ieatlint: ok | 19:45 |
lbt_2 | gabrbedd: it was good coffee.... ;P | 19:45 |
* gabrbedd has never had coffee *that* good | 19:45 | |
ieatlint | blue bottle? | 19:45 |
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* TSCHAKeee roasts his own coffee, so he does have coffee *that* good | 19:46 | |
TSCHAKeee | ;) | 19:46 |
ieatlint | btw, those in san francsico looking for something to do this morning/today, there's a farmers market across the street at the ferry building that will also have a lot of good ready to eat food and such | 19:47 |
ieatlint | goes to about 2pm | 19:47 |
TSCHAKeee | at which point they close to get ready for the rapture | 19:47 |
TSCHAKeee | *ba-dum-ching* | 19:47 |
TSCHAKeee | ok ok, joke beaten to death | 19:48 |
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TSCHAKeee | ;) | 19:48 |
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Jay_BEE | heh | 19:52 |
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jefferai | ieatlint: Jay_BEE: I'm in the third row | 19:55 |
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jefferai | ieatlint: blue bottle is across the embarcadero (street) from the hotel | 19:56 |
jefferai | in the wharf building | 19:56 |
jefferai | it's very good | 19:56 |
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GAN900 | TSCHAKeee, there's still time! | 19:57 |
ieatlint | jefferai: i'm familiar with it :) | 19:57 |
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ieatlint | it's a local coffee shop that has a few locations in the city… they're widely considered to be one of the best cups of coffee you can find | 19:58 |
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Jay_BEE | ieatlint: nice, i'll keep that in mind... i had went to starbucks earlier :( | 19:59 |
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jefferai | ah | 20:00 |
jefferai | I really wish that I could figure out this font thing, it amkes the manager totally unusable | 20:00 |
jefferai | also I wish that the guy in front would stop saying Q.T. | 20:00 |
jefferai | he should know better | 20:00 |
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jefferai | and he already explained to everyone that it's Qt, not Q.T. | 20:00 |
jefferai | so why does he persist in calling it the wrong thing | 20:00 |
jefferai | you ICS people... | 20:00 |
Jay_BEE | hehe | 20:00 |
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ieatlint | jefferai: because when we say "cute", it makes us sound like 12 year old girls | 20:01 |
ieatlint | "i program in cute, tee hee" | 20:01 |
GAN900 | ieatlint, on the subject of good local places, Recommend any good restaurants around the hotel (or not, since the financial district is so expensive) that take reservations? | 20:01 |
jefferai | ieatlint: so does "MeeGo" | 20:01 |
jefferai | but you don't see people calling it "Boomshakalaka" | 20:01 |
Jay_BEE | lol | 20:01 |
ieatlint | jefferai: not as bad, and we can't find another way to pronounce that one ;) | 20:01 |
ieatlint | GAN900: i'm afraid i don't know that many in this area… the area is mostly dead after business hours | 20:02 |
jefferai | I had some guy from ICS, let's call him John, tell me "I prefer calling it Q.T." | 20:02 |
jefferai | Well, I prefer calling you Charlie, but your name is John, isn't it | 20:02 |
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ieatlint | this is a business district, even the bars are a bit mediocre | 20:02 |
jefferai | and Q.T. means QuickTime | 20:02 |
gabrbedd | Q: what GUI framework do you use in? A: cute | 20:02 |
* GAN900 loves flying out of an airport with free WiFi. | 20:02 | |
gabrbedd | Q: huh? A: Q.T. | 20:02 |
gabrbedd | Q: oh. | 20:02 |
GAN900 | ieatlint, yeah, friend was recommending stuff down south aways, but I'm not sure I want to haul a bunch of people a long way on BART | 20:02 |
ieatlint | GAN900: yelp.com is the best source for restaurant recommendations | 20:03 |
ieatlint | and it will tell you which restaurants take reservations | 20:03 |
jefferai | garyou program in QuickTime? | 20:03 |
jefferai | gabrbedd: ^ | 20:03 |
GAN900 | I ate at the Stinking Rose last time I was in SF. | 20:03 |
GAN900 | Was good, but a bit touristy. | 20:03 |
gabrbedd | jefferai: just saying. | 20:03 |
ieatlint | jefferai: you're just being pedantic… perhaps i should call it qasar technology | 20:03 |
jefferai | gabrbedd: if people like you would start calling it the proper name, people would stop getting confused | 20:03 |
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jefferai | ieatlint: why would you do that? | 20:04 |
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jefferai | it was named after Xt, not Quasar Technology | 20:04 |
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ieatlint | renamed from what i understand | 20:04 |
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gabrbedd | jefferai: If the letters "Qt" was actually pronounced "cute" then there be no problem. | 20:04 |
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ieatlint | anyway, in the US, we will switch between "cute" and saying the letters… it's not intuitive to say "cute", and it can be professionally awkward at times | 20:05 |
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jefferai | it just makes you guys sound like you don't know the product you're selling | 20:06 |
jefferai | you guys are a Qt shop that calls it by the wrong name | 20:06 |
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TSCHAKeee | honestly? | 20:06 |
Jay_BEE | fwiw, he did just say 'cute' | 20:06 |
jefferai | talk about professionally awkward :-) | 20:06 |
TSCHAKeee | and i say this as affectionately as I possibly can | 20:06 |
gabrbedd | I'm all for creative name/pronunciation things -- but "cute" just doesn't seem to be catching on in an internet community where the letters are primarily read rather than heard. | 20:06 |
TSCHAKeee | WHO GIVES A FUCK, YOU BUNCH OF PEDANTIC BASTARDS! | 20:07 |
TSCHAKeee | :P | 20:07 |
GAN900 | Teehee | 20:07 |
Jay_BEE | hahah | 20:07 |
gabrbedd | Reminds me of the movie "that thing you do" with the "oneders" | 20:07 |
ieatlint | jefferai: eh, i can't really respond to that, as that's bordering me speaking for ics | 20:07 |
jefferai | TSCHAKeee: nobody really, it just looks unprofessional | 20:07 |
jefferai | just saying | 20:07 |
ieatlint | i've made my point, and continued well past any meaningful discussion… indeed, enough | 20:08 |
jefferai | I think I just missed your point, is all | 20:08 |
jefferai | but, no problem :-) | 20:08 |
GAN900 | /mute | 20:09 |
jefferai | btw, is the guy up there using 1.2 SDK? | 20:09 |
jefferai | or 1.1.x? | 20:09 |
papul | en i mount a pendrive using the command "mount -t vfat /dev/sdc1 /home/user/pendrive" I can write data to it only when I am root. what do I have to do to be able to write data to it as a normal user. | 20:09 |
Jay_BEE | ... | 20:09 |
ieatlint | qt 1.1 with qtcreator 1.2 | 20:09 |
papul | oops | 20:09 |
papul | wrong channel | 20:09 |
ieatlint | err, qtcreator 2.2 | 20:09 |
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jefferai | ah, ok | 20:10 |
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TSCHAKeee | is there a way to apply a blur shader to a composited window, so that it blurs the windows underneath? | 20:11 |
gabrbedd | anybody know why the meego ux is always rotating whenever I switch to it? | 20:11 |
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lcuk | gabrbedd, using meego in orbit has that effect! | 20:26 |
lcuk | TSCHAKeee, a specific window or all windows? | 20:27 |
TSCHAKeee | lcuk: either way.. basically, I am overlaying a transparent window over the top of another window (a media player, or the screen saver) | 20:27 |
TSCHAKeee | lcuk: and i am looking for a way to blur the contents of what is below, no matter what it is. | 20:28 |
gabrbedd | lcuk: orbit? | 20:28 |
lcuk | TSCHAKeee, the way screensavers used to do it, was at time screensaver opens it takes a snap and uses processed version of that | 20:28 |
TSCHAKeee | meh | 20:28 |
lcuk | but if you want live updating background I guess more would be required | 20:28 |
TSCHAKeee | yes | 20:28 |
TSCHAKeee | sigh, nobody ever has answers to my questions | 20:29 |
gabrbedd | lcuk: you mean like the space shuttle? | 20:29 |
lcuk | gabrbedd, you might be, I am in bedroom after tiring wander round manchester | 20:29 |
TSCHAKeee | :P | 20:29 |
lcuk | TSCHAKeee, they try to answer :P | 20:29 |
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gabrbedd | TSCHAKeee: do you own/control the "contents below" that you're trying to blur? | 20:31 |
TSCHAKeee | no. | 20:32 |
TSCHAKeee | am I going to have to become a window manager? | 20:32 |
TSCHAKeee | our UI controls different programs depending on what needs to be done | 20:33 |
gabrbedd | TSCHAKeee: you mean like... you have a small window for your app, and you want all other app windows to blur? | 20:33 |
TSCHAKeee | gabrbedd: my app is full screen, and it resizes and stacks other apps, makes them fullscreen, and puts them underneath it | 20:33 |
TSCHAKeee | gabrbedd: so in essence you see an overlaid transparent UI on top | 20:33 |
gabrbedd | TSCHAKeee: would you settle for "dimmed out" instead of "blurred" ? | 20:34 |
TSCHAKeee | no. | 20:34 |
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TSCHAKeee | that's why I am wondering if i will have to become a window manager | 20:34 |
TSCHAKeee | and just make the damned windows textures. | 20:34 |
gabrbedd | TSCHAKeee: yes, you will. | 20:35 |
TSCHAKeee | fuck. | 20:35 |
gabrbedd | Sounds like you want compositing... but then you want to add a filter after several of the windows are composited to make your blur effect. | 20:35 |
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TSCHAKeee | yes. | 20:35 |
gabrbedd | That sounds to me like you've got to be fiddling with the compositing stuff... which is typically handled by the WM. | 20:36 |
gabrbedd | You /might/ be able to do it without being the WM... but then you're essentially writing your own compositor. | 20:36 |
gabrbedd | e.g. people can take screen shots and do whatever they want with the images. | 20:37 |
TSCHAKeee | ok. | 20:37 |
berndhs | and you probably want to avoid running 2 of these concurrently | 20:37 |
TSCHAKeee | i will figure this out | 20:37 |
TSCHAKeee | because I have a specific look i want to be able to do | 20:37 |
gabrbedd | TSCHAKeee: which WM are you currently using? | 20:38 |
TSCHAKeee | gabrbedd: xfwm4 | 20:38 |
TSCHAKeee | with the compositor enabled. | 20:38 |
TSCHAKeee | i really don't care what i use, as long as it works | 20:38 |
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gabrbedd | TSCHAKeee: I'll bet you can patch an existing, compositing WM to insert your feature... and that the patch would not be very invasive. | 20:39 |
TSCHAKeee | *nod* ok | 20:40 |
gabrbedd | TSCHAKeee: something like setting a custom window flag on your foreground window "_TSCHAKeee_WM_BLURR_EVERYBODY_ELSE" | 20:40 |
TSCHAKeee | *nod* makes sense | 20:40 |
TSCHAKeee | i hope i can use GL shader to do this... | 20:40 |
gabrbedd | TSCHAKeee: and when you see that flag, you make sure that window is on top and then blur all the windows below. | 20:40 |
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TSCHAKeee | would i use mutter..or... mcompositor or.. hmmm | 20:42 |
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gabrbedd | TSCHAKeee: what UX are you running? And are all your apps Qt-based? | 20:43 |
TSCHAKeee | gabrbedd: no UX at present | 20:43 |
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TSCHAKeee | gabrbedd: i'm doing everything on my own. | 20:43 |
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gabrbedd | TSCHAKeee: I couldn't make mutter work with meego-ux-daemon, I dunno why. | 20:43 |
TSCHAKeee | gabrbedd: the new orbiter app itself will be Qt | 20:43 |
TSCHAKeee | gabrbedd: but the apps controlled come from all over the place | 20:44 |
gabrbedd | mcompositor is pretty cool -- unless you're using non-Qt apps | 20:44 |
TSCHAKeee | Xine, mplayer, mame, et. | 20:44 |
TSCHAKeee | c. | 20:44 |
gabrbedd | I think matchbox lacks compositing support -- but I might be wrong. | 20:44 |
TSCHAKeee | this leaves xfwm4 | 20:45 |
TSCHAKeee | but it uses just basic render | 20:45 |
gabrbedd | And xfwm4 is stable as hell. | 20:45 |
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TSCHAKeee | and doing a blur in software | 20:45 |
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TSCHAKeee | ....not feasible. | 20:45 |
gabrbedd | You might also consider using clutter. | 20:46 |
gabrbedd | (the upstream clutter, not meego's fork) | 20:46 |
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gabrbedd | I think that's a compositing WM, and somebody's using it as The WM now (either GNOME or Unity or Ubuntu or All The Above) | 20:46 |
TSCHAKeee | ok | 20:47 |
TSCHAKeee | we're building all our orbiter tech on Qt/QML | 20:48 |
TSCHAKeee | but i don't mind if the wm would be using clutter or something similar | 20:48 |
TSCHAKeee | i'm not a purist, i just want to see if i can pull this off | 20:48 |
TSCHAKeee | thanks | 20:48 |
gabrbedd | hope it helps. :-) | 20:48 |
TSCHAKeee | we're gonna build the rest of orbiter | 20:49 |
TSCHAKeee | and THEN circle back to this | 20:49 |
TSCHAKeee | man this is gonna suck | 20:49 |
gabrbedd | wow... the latest MeeGo UX is giving me a lot of trouble. :-/ | 20:53 |
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sivang | who's here? | 21:07 |
GAN900 | Nobody! | 21:07 |
Jay_BEE | ... | 21:07 |
sivang | hmm, timeless is still not here | 21:07 |
sivang | GAN900: when is the Collabora reception?? :)) | 21:08 |
sivang | hrm | 21:08 |
sivang | GAN900: confused you with Robin Burchell | 21:08 |
GAN900 | There's a Collabora reception? | 21:08 |
GAN900 | Clearly. | 21:08 |
sivang | :) | 21:08 |
sivang | GAN900: yes , the signs are there since last early am | 21:08 |
sivang | I had trouble falling asleep... | 21:08 |
* GAN900 is getting closer to boarding. | 21:09 | |
sivang | my jet lag won't go away | 21:09 |
sivang | GAN900: in Heathrow? | 21:09 |
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GAN900 | TPA | 21:09 |
sivang | TPA? | 21:09 |
GAN900 | Still not w00t. :P | 21:09 |
GAN900 | Tampa, FL | 21:09 |
GAN900 | Flying West is unpleasant. | 21:09 |
CosmoHill | that's where amierica is | 21:10 |
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GAN900 | I'm usually OK going East, but flying back West is murder. Flying back from BCN turned me into a zombie for days after. | 21:11 |
gabrbedd | CosmoHill: score! | 21:12 |
timsamoff | GAN900: Weird... I'm just the opposite. Thankfully, I'm in my own timezone this time. | 21:13 |
CosmoHill | hey I just realised, the upgrade I have planed would make my desktop meego compatable | 21:14 |
GAN900 | timsamoff, well, usually I catch redeye flights to Europe, so. | 21:14 |
timsamoff | That's ok if you can actually get some sleep, though, I guess. | 21:14 |
GAN900 | Usually can manage. | 21:15 |
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Saviq_afk | if anyone's interested - here's a google calendar of the SF schedule https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=rrsd00vnq7f5e3qpsjb8o1flho%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/Los_Angeles | 21:45 |
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sofar | lol nice | 21:47 |
Jay_BEE | Saviq: thx | 21:50 |
haataja | exit | 21:50 |
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smurf | anybody here? | 22:40 |
dm8tbr | no! | 22:40 |
smurf | Damn! just my luck ;) | 22:40 |
berndhs | they're all in california preparing to ascend | 22:41 |
smurf | Does anyone here know whether it is possible to install Meego from a live flashdrive to another flashdrive? | 22:41 |
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jonnor | smurf: should be possible, Linux generally does not care what kind of device you install to. | 22:45 |
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jonnor | A challenge is that Meego uses extlinux (which is not as good as grub when it comes to multi-device setups), and hardcodes device name instead of using UUID for the rootfs... | 22:46 |
smurf | I'm considering it because I hope to be able to fix Broadcom WiFi support which apparently isn't possible on a live installlation. Anyone have experience with that particular method? | 22:46 |
jonnor | tias I'd say | 22:47 |
smurf | I have to find/make an extra free flash medium. Will installation erase the destination drive or can it be added to a flash drive that still has files on it? | 22:49 |
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jonnor | The installation will typically erase the device, it depends on what you chose during install. | 22:57 |
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jonnor | For me the installed would barf if certain setups were already on the device (even if it was be to erased). In particular LVM caused problems | 22:59 |
smurf | Is one of the options you can choose an installation on a partition without erasing it? Ehh... LVM? | 23:00 |
sofar | people mentioning LVM and meego in one sentence need to go away :) | 23:00 |
berndhs | smurf: the installer doesnt know how to wipe a partition with LVM on it | 23:00 |
sofar | if you want broadcom wireless working you can switch to the Trunk kernel, which will support it | 23:01 |
sofar | 1.2 does not support it | 23:01 |
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smurf | Frankly I don't understand why it hasn't been added. WiFi hardware support seems a very important feature to me. Where can I find that version with the Trunk kernel? | 23:03 |
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gabrbedd | smurf: The problem is broadcom's license for their closed-source drivers. | 23:04 |
sofar | the brcm module wasn't stable enough in 2.6.37 | 23:04 |
sofar | also, broadcom waited way too long to open source it properly and release it in a usable form to the kernel | 23:04 |
gabrbedd | smurf: There a clause that says, paraphrased, if you redistribute it then you are liable for any patent infringement issues that may occur. | 23:04 |
smurf | Haven't I read something about an open source version? | 23:05 |
gabrbedd | smurf: The one in 2.6.37 doesn't work. I don't recall how things are with 2.6.38. | 23:06 |
sofar | gabrbedd: it works | 23:06 |
sofar | http://download.meego.com/snapshots/latest/repos/oss/ia32/packages/i586/kernel-2.6.39~rc6-135.2.i586.rpm | 23:06 |
gabrbedd | sofar: that's .39, isn't it? | 23:06 |
gabrbedd | :-) | 23:06 |
sofar | that's a current 'trunk' kernel - trunk is 39 basically, yes | 23:06 |
gabrbedd | sofar: so it works in .39, now? | 23:07 |
* gabrbedd likes. | 23:07 | |
sofar | it works on my lenovo s10/3t at work, yes | 23:07 |
sofar | not that I use it a lot | 23:07 |
sofar | I'm mostly working over ethernet anyway | 23:07 |
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smurf | And how do I replace the kernel in a live installation wth this kernel? | 23:10 |
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gabrbedd | sofar: But do you recall the status of the .38 kernel? (smurf is probably using one of the .38 `pinetrail` kernels) | 23:10 |
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gabrbedd | smurf: you have to remaster one using mic2. | 23:10 |
sofar | no | 23:10 |
sofar | you can just install it | 23:10 |
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sofar | zypper install foo.rpm | 23:10 |
smurf | I'm using the 1.2 netbook live version. | 23:10 |
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sofar | that's all that is needed | 23:11 |
sofar | or even use rpm | 23:11 |
sofar | rpm -i foo.rpm | 23:11 |
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gabrbedd | sofar: he's talking about remastering the .img -- not an installed MeeGo | 23:11 |
gabrbedd | smurf: right? | 23:11 |
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sofar | if you're remastering images, can just download a new trunk image instead and get the systemd goodness | 23:11 |
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sofar | http://download.meego.com/snapshots/latest/images/meego-netbook-ia32/ | 23:13 |
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smurf | gabrbedd: Right. I want to 'fix' the live version I made with the .img | 23:15 |
smurf | So I wonder hoe that live version can access the other kernel. | 23:16 |
gabrbedd | smurf: sofar is talking about how to fix it once you've already installed MeeGo... he's not talking about fixing a live .img file. | 23:17 |
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smurf | BTW when I boot that live version I get the error "Unable to mount netbook-ia32-86_64-201105180936" but it then works normally. | 23:18 |
sofar | like I said, you can just download a kernel rpm and `zypper install` it | 23:18 |
gabrbedd | smurf: One option is to download the image that sofar said above ^^, which is the latest development version that has a .39 kernel. | 23:18 |
sofar | as long as dependencies are met, zypper will install any rpm | 23:18 |
sofar | just download the kernel rpm I linked earlier | 23:19 |
sofar | http://download.meego.com/snapshots/latest/repos/oss/ia32/packages/i586/kernel-2.6.39~rc6-135.2.i586.rpm | 23:19 |
gabrbedd | smurf: The other is to remaster an .img with MIC2 (which is how the images were made) | 23:19 |
sofar | you should even be able to do zypper install http:.......url/ | 23:19 |
gabrbedd | smhar: And where did you get this 86_64 image from? | 23:20 |
sofar | probably rolled it himself :) | 23:20 |
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smurf | smhar: I downloaded it from here: http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/%23meego.2011-05-21.log.html | 23:23 |
smurf | Oops soory wrong link | 23:23 |
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smurf | Wrong copy/paste. From here: https://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.2/meego-v1.2-netbooks | 23:23 |
sofar | interesting that something in it refers to 86_64 | 23:24 |
sofar | almost worth filing a bugreport ;) | 23:24 |
smurf | I have downloaded the kernel from within the live Meego. Will now try to get it installed in Terminal..... | 23:25 |
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gabrbedd | smurf: the message "unable to mount" is normal. It shouldn't happen -- but it does, and won't cause you any problems. | 23:25 |
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smurf | I need root privileges. adding sudo in front of the zypper command asks for password and 'meego' gives: "meego is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." Oh dear.... | 23:33 |
CosmoHill | smurf: | 23:33 |
CosmoHill | su - | 23:34 |
CosmoHill | then visudo | 23:34 |
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smurf | OK now I get an error about the path. It is downloaded in the ' | 23:37 |
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CosmoHill | ah yes | 23:37 |
smurf | It is downloaded in the default "Download" location. What's the appropriate path? | 23:37 |
CosmoHill | it would be /sbin/visudo or /usr/sbin/visudo | 23:38 |
jerryluc | is gma500 supported on 1.2? | 23:38 |
smurf | "Problem with the RPM file specified as 'sbin-blabla.rpm', skipping. No valid arguments specified." | 23:41 |
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sofar | jerryluc: please read the release notes | 23:42 |
sofar | actually, its not mentioned in there, hmmm | 23:43 |
sofar | short answer: not out of the box | 23:43 |
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jerryluc | sofar: thanks. couldnt find anything about it | 23:47 |
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smurf | CosmpHill: ok. I think I got it working using rpm -i /home/meego/Downloads/kernel...etc....rpm. Now how do I check the kernel version? | 23:56 |
sofar | check your /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf | 23:57 |
sofar | also | 23:58 |
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sofar | once rebooted, type `uname -r` | 23:58 |
Saviq_afk | smurf: uname -a | 23:58 |
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sofar | uname -a works too obviously :) | 23:58 |
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