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| hirabayashitaro | Hi, there's something that I don't get about wiki's Release Engineering/Plans | 01:33 |
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| CosmoHill | which is | 01:34 |
| hirabayashitaro | what's the meaning of repeating solved bug for every weekly release in the wiki? | 01:35 |
| CosmoHill | someone will be along to answer you | 01:36 |
| hirabayashitaro | thanks | 01:37 |
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| Umeaboy | Hi | 01:45 |
| Umeaboy | ! | 01:45 |
| Umeaboy | Isn't service network status meant to work? | 01:46 |
| Umeaboy | And lshw. | 01:47 |
| Umeaboy | And many other. | 01:47 |
| Umeaboy | I went to Garage & installed Totem, but where's the icon/gui for it? | 01:47 |
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| npm | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lleYf7XHuMc ("Fun with QML and YouTube") | 07:19 |
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| beford | looks nice npm | 07:31 |
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| Stskeeps | REMINDER: nokia n900 hardware adaptation meeting NOW in #meego-meeting | 10:01 |
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| arfoll | i'm lost, to use spectacle do you need to have written a .spec file allready? | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | no | 12:46 |
| arfoll | ok i have a brand new project, small follows autogen, make, make install | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | start with yaml file, specify, that creates a .spec file, customize .spec to your needs. when new patch / version comes along, update yaml, re-run specify, maintains your custom changes | 12:46 |
| arfoll | ok but i have to write the yaml file by hand? | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | right, but that's hardly difficult :) | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 12:47 |
| arfoll | it's not the difficulty, i just want to do it the "meego" way | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.0/Packaging/Tutorial#Create_YAML_package_meta-data_file | 12:47 |
| arfoll | cheers, that looks perfect. | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | look at examples from meego components, many of them have yamls | 12:48 |
| arfoll | is there a way to generate the file list automatically? | 12:50 |
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| Stskeeps | well, that's what your app installs, so unsure | 12:51 |
| arfoll | fair enough, in this case it's one file so it's not exactly a big deal ;-) | 12:52 |
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| arfoll | i have to admit i still dont really understand why the yaml instead of just editing the spec file straight out | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | i find yaml easier to deal with, as a spec beginner | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | gives a nice template to package with | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | remember yaml isn't obligatory, but it does make your life easier | 12:54 |
| arfoll | I guess i'm more used to writting .spec files, i know it's not obligatory but I wanted to understand it a little and thought my tiny package was a great way to start... | 12:57 |
| Hq` | I decided to go straight for the spec file, yaml just seemed like an unnecessary step | 12:57 |
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| arfoll | Hq`, the advantage i see is that no longer can you have a patch as a source and forget to apply it... | 12:58 |
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| Hq` | yeah I guess it has to have some advantages :) | 13:12 |
| Hq` | but with a quick glance yamls looked just like specs but with a slightly different formatting | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | it does have a lot of automagic | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | seemingily 'autospectacle' exists too | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | point to a tarball, it does the rest | 13:13 |
| CosmoHill | sounds interesting, but potentialy bad | 13:14 |
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| arfoll | do i have to upload the spec file when putting the package in OBS? | 13:20 |
| arfoll | or will the yaml be understood and the spec generated as part of the OBS build routine? | 13:20 |
| sandst1 | arfoll: the spec file needs to go to OBS | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | spec is what obs understands, yaml goes along usually for later usage | 13:21 |
| arfoll | ok fair enough | 13:21 |
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| Jartza | http://gizmodo.com/5750713/analyst-says-nokias-meego-is-the-biggest-joke-in-the-tech-industry-right-now | 14:35 |
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| Titogelo | does anyone knows anything about velneo and meego? | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | Jartza: heh | 14:36 |
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| tudovio_ | I'm looking for Time management Meego API's, time automatic updates, but I dind't find any available info. Any clues? | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | tudovio_: 'timed' | 14:37 |
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| tcs-meego_ | why do i get Installing package to device... | 14:40 |
| tcs-meego_ | bash: /usr/lib/mad-developer/devrootsh: No such file or directory ? | 14:40 |
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| tudovio_ | Stskeeps: I dind't find any reference to 'timed', Could you please explain the context of use it? I need to know how to manage the time automatic updates. Thanks! | 15:04 |
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| Stskeeps | tudovio_: it's an API and a daemon, i think | 15:05 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hey lcuk, I got good news | 15:54 |
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| lcukn900 | oooh internet | 16:08 |
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| sig^ | any wetab users here? There seems to be no #wetab | 16:08 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcukn900: hi! :) | 16:08 |
| sig^ | I'm wondering the handicapped soft keyboard on wetab | 16:08 |
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| sig^ | no esc, no arrow keys? what is this shite? | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | well, they aren't using the meego UX'es for that, afaik | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | so you're better off complaining to them instead :) | 16:09 |
| Venemo_N900 | sig^: wetab uses meego with a custom ux. | 16:09 |
| sig^ | mm, if I just could find "them" I: | 16:09 |
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| Venemo_N900 | sig^: I don't know if any of the official UXes can run on it | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | it can, afaik | 16:10 |
| sig^ | otherwise it's promising, but come on, how I'm supposed to use VIM if I don't have esc >_< | 16:10 |
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| sig^ | maybe it's ctrl+something? | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | people are working on real meego.com there | 16:10 |
| lcukn900 | netbook and handset afaik are both available, alison looked afaik | 16:10 |
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| Venemo_N900 | lcukn900: the good news is that they're gonna lend me a Symbian device for porting puzzle-master | 16:11 |
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| Venemo_N900 | lcukn900: so until I have it, I can use that as a phone and try meego on the N900 | 16:12 |
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| lcukn900 | yeahhhhhhh venemo | 16:12 |
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| Venemo_N900 | lcukn900: :) | 16:12 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcukn900: how're you today? | 16:12 |
| lcukn900 | really pleased you made your app, made me smile broadly when i ran it on my ideapad and your shock it ran lol | 16:13 |
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| Venemo_N900 | lcukn900: :) that's what portability means | 16:14 |
| lcukn900 | venemo, smiling. even tho i have a stinker of a headache, no real internet, holes in my socks and toothache | 16:14 |
| sig^ | I tried sudo echo "a.d.d.r ser ser" >> /etc/hosts and got bash: /etc/hosts: Permission denied | 16:15 |
| sig^ | this is maybe a #meego issue? | 16:15 |
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| lcukn900 | venemo, smiling. even tho i have a stinker of a headache, no real internet, holes in my socks and toothache | 16:15 |
| lcukn900 | feck | 16:15 |
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| lcukn900 | sig login as root instead of sudo | 16:16 |
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| sig^ | mm, I used a "root shell" app >_> | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | sig^: try to read what you said as (sudo echo "a.d.d.r ser ser") >> /etc/hosts | 16:17 |
| Venemo_N900 | sig^: if you logged in to a root shell, then sudo is unneeded | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | sig^: that explains why it can't write there | 16:18 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcukn900: where are you? | 16:18 |
| sig^ | I tried without sudo too | 16:18 |
| sig^ | I could try the parens | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | sig^: sudo su, then echo "foo" >> /etc/hosts. | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:18 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcukn900: are you travelling somewhere? | 16:18 |
| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: I thought that only one > was needed | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo_N900: append | 16:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps: oh. right. | 16:19 |
| lcukn900 | venemo no am at home, internet is a bit topsyturvy right now. should realign itself shortly I bet. | 16:20 |
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| Venemo_N900 | so lcukn900, if you have a toothache, why don't you go to a dentist? | 16:20 |
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| lcuk | \o DawnFoster | 16:26 |
| DawnFoster | hey lcuk | 16:27 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk, interned solved? | 16:27 |
| lcuk | I certainly hope so! | 16:27 |
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| lcuk | alterego, vgrade - how did last night go? | 16:50 |
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| thp | lcuk: your vb mail was quite the flamewar starter :p | 17:10 |
| * lcuk giggles | 17:10 | |
| Venemo_N900 | I've just boarded an intercity train | 17:10 |
| lcuk | its the one app I miss from windows | 17:10 |
| thp | did you have any luck with wine? | 17:11 |
| Venemo_N900 | some people are playing with their netbooks here, all of which're running wincraqp | 17:11 |
| lcuk | No, but the Guinness was nice. | 17:11 |
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| lcuk | I haven't the skill to setup Wine. | 17:11 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk: what app is it that you're missing? | 17:11 |
| lcuk | I have tried a couple of times, but never managed to get it working | 17:11 |
| lcuk | Venemo_N900, VB classic :P | 17:11 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk: :) | 17:12 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk: have you tried MonoDevelop? | 17:12 |
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| lcuk | I have tried many IDEs over the time, Qt creator is great on a modern fast machine | 17:12 |
| Aard | what's wrong with emacs? ;) | 17:13 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk: with MonoDevelop you can develop VB :) | 17:13 |
| lcuk | Venemo_N900, I know :) | 17:14 |
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| Venemo_N900 | lcuk: about Wine, it's dead easy | 17:17 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk: I managed to get SC2 working :P | 17:17 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk: without issue! :P | 17:17 |
| Venemo_N900 | lcuk: if you can't, you can always turn to #winehq | 17:18 |
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| lcukn900 | spyro ping | 18:05 |
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| prasad | Hi i am a new bee.. I am trying to install Meego on my sony vaio.. but after installation it give error like "cannot work with out intel arm module" can someone help on this issue | 19:03 |
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| makulkar | prasad, as error says, can not work without arm chip. Do you have arm device | 19:05 |
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| prasad | @nakulkar I am not sure of that.. how can i check it? | 19:08 |
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| beford | I don't think that's the issue, what laptop are you using prasad ? does it have nvidia/ati video? | 19:18 |
| beford | if so, you can't use the default installer from meego.com since it does not include those drivers | 19:18 |
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| lcuk | oh cool RT: @meegofi Meet us at #FOSDEM http://ping.fm/yspAl http://twitter.com/meegofi/status/33226668650795008 | 20:15 |
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| Mek | does anyone know if http://gitorious.org/qtquickcompat is packaged for meego somewhere, since it seems meego 1.1 only has qt 4.7.0? | 21:08 |
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| Stskeeps | /whois obarron|dx | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | meh, got me there.. | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:13 |
| obarron|dx | He | 22:13 |
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| Stskeeps | how's the travel going? | 22:13 |
| obarron|dx | Hey stskeeps | 22:14 |
| obarron|dx | Stuck in washington | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | sounds fun :P | 22:14 |
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| Umeaboy | Hi! | 22:42 |
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| Umeaboy | Stskeeps: Shouldn't Meego have support for 3G-modems? | 22:42 |
| Umeaboy | Built-in. | 22:42 |
| Stskeeps | Umeaboy: it really depends on a lot of factors :) | 22:42 |
| Umeaboy | Okey. | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, it supports the 3g modem inside a nokia n900 when meego runs on it, but it might not support every 3g usb modem. | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:43 |
| Umeaboy | And btw.........if Meego is based on Linux, why doesn't lshw or service network status work? | 22:43 |
| Umeaboy | I wrote it as root. | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | is that part of normal gnu/linux? | 22:44 |
| Umeaboy | Yes. | 22:44 |
| Stskeeps | highly doubt that - which package? | 22:44 |
| Umeaboy | lshw is sort for ls hardware. | 22:45 |
| Umeaboy | It's called the same. | 22:45 |
| Umeaboy | lshw. | 22:45 |
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| Stskeeps | i don't believe that's one of the gnu utils or part of LSB :P | 22:45 |
| Umeaboy | http://sophie.zarb.org | 22:46 |
| Umeaboy | Chat with the bot. | 22:46 |
| Umeaboy | Type :s lshw | 22:46 |
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| dm8tbr | Umeaboy: I think you are missing the point | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i know - i'm just saying lshw isn't part of linux standard base, nor is 'service' | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | that's up to the init implementation (service) and lshw is an optional package | 22:47 |
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| Umeaboy | Well, how to check if there's a connection-issue? | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | interfacing with connman somehow | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | there's some test scripts that's useful | 22:48 |
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| Stskeeps | normally i would just run "ifconfig" "route" and "ping", but that's me :) | 22:48 |
| Umeaboy | I use And how should a noob be aware of that? | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | a noob rarely ventures into the shell as root | 22:48 |
| Umeaboy | Oooooops. | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:48 |
| kyb3R | meego is not for noobs atm | 22:48 |
| Umeaboy | And how should a noob be aware of that? | 22:48 |
| Umeaboy | Okey. | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | they shouldn't - and there should be proper network applets to tell you of a status | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | of the network connection | 22:49 |
| Umeaboy | Yes. | 22:49 |
| Umeaboy | Installed Totem, but still can't see it in the list of Programs. | 22:49 |
| Umeaboy | Why? | 22:49 |
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| Umeaboy | No error during the installation. | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | i don't know much about netbook, i work on core and handse | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | t | 22:49 |
| Umeaboy | I installed from Garage. | 22:50 |
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| Stskeeps | i don't know what that is actually like :P | 22:50 |
| Umeaboy | Totem is a mediaplayer. | 22:50 |
| Umeaboy | A general one like Banshee, but better. | 22:50 |
| Umeaboy | Garage is the program-bank AFAIK. | 22:51 |
| * kyb3R does not use garage...yet | 22:52 | |
| dm8tbr | we have a garage for meego? | 22:53 |
| vgrade | dm8tbr, hi | 22:53 |
| dm8tbr | hullo vgrade | 22:54 |
| vgrade | i am planning to upload a jogger image to 10738 | 22:54 |
| vgrade | do you have an area for pandaboard | 22:54 |
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| dm8tbr | vgrade: I can create one for the panda | 23:02 |
| vgrade | cool thanks | 23:05 |
| vgrade | looks for his login | 23:05 |
| dm8tbr | vgrade: who would provide panda images? you or nishanth? | 23:05 |
| Venemo | hey meegoists | 23:05 |
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| vgrade | dm8tbr, I was going to throw the one I built for the meego cambridge meeting | 23:06 |
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| vgrade | over the wall | 23:06 |
| dm8tbr | ok | 23:07 |
| dm8tbr | let me create that space | 23:07 |
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| dm8tbr | vgrade: oh and the filenames please s/meego/mg/ | 23:07 |
| vgrade | if your expecting something from nm or others please move my image off to a subdir as I know nm is probably far further on than me with panda | 23:09 |
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| dm8tbr | I'll ask him later and then we could rearrange | 23:10 |
| vgrade | np | 23:10 |
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| dm8tbr | oh and expect a comment from me on the bug itself now that we are reaching critical mass :) | 23:11 |
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| vgrade | bug 10738 | 23:11 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed | 23:11 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps - or others - how impolite is it to add t MeeGo adaptation | 23:24 |
| dm8tbr | grrr | 23:24 |
| dm8tbr | pastefail | 23:24 |
| dm8tbr | ... to add 'http://bug10738.openaos.org/' to the Bug URL field? | 23:25 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed | 23:25 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: i'm actually occasionally wondering if we can use bug10738 for n900 images, that's how useful it would be :) | 23:26 |
| dm8tbr | let me create an account for you... ;) | 23:27 |
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| Stskeeps | or hardfp, for that matter :P | 23:27 |
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| N900addikt | I got kicked outta maemo | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | well, you're technically still banned here, just not properly | 23:30 |
| N900addikt | Banned why? | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | well, you have a bad long term memory it sounds like :) | 23:31 |
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| N900addikt | You mistake me for someone else bro | 23:31 |
| Stskeeps | fairly sure i'm not, but okay | 23:32 |
| N900addikt | Did i offend somebody? | 23:32 |
| N900addikt | Proof man proof | 23:33 |
| Stskeeps | we do actually have public logs here, so hang on.. | 23:33 |
| N900addikt | I know...show me | 23:33 |
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| N900addikt | Silence of the lambs | 23:36 |
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| Stskeeps | http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/%23meego.2010-07-30.log.html#t2010-07-30T17:50:55 , http://trac.tspre.org/merbot/freenode/%23meego/log.10-05-2010 22:57 and down, always the same MO, similar IP ranges, similar nicknames, similar behaviour -- or you have a large bunch of trolls in your neighbourhood | 23:40 |
| N900addikt | Its not me man i swear this is a public library | 23:41 |
| Stskeeps | i'll keep that in mind next time you claim you're driving and ircing at same time ;) | 23:41 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, time to clean up the bans anyway | 23:42 |
| ShadowJK | same gecos | 23:42 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yeah - same irc realnames adding up to the pile of evidence :P | 23:42 |
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| N900addikt | Who would be sill to irc and drive? | 23:44 |
| N900addikt | *Silly | 23:44 |
| Stskeeps | people in your neighbourhood, it seems like, so i would watch out when walking on the street ;) | 23:44 |
| N900addikt | Lol | 23:45 |
| N900addikt | Not me man | 23:45 |
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| N900addikt | all i see is intelligent but sometimes heated conversation no? | 23:48 |
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| auke | dang, the ban list is awfully empty at the moment | 23:49 |
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| Stskeeps | auke: it's good to clean up occasionally - if you have any that needs to be re-added for sure, go ahea | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | d | 23:50 |
| berndhs | yeah you dont want to risk ban-list underrun :) | 23:50 |
| auke | actually I think that's a good idea, clean it out once in a while... | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | technically I've just silenced him in #maemo, as it's absolutely obvious this is our beloved N900lova/hater IRC+drive gasoline lorry troll | 23:50 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: really, he upped his game to ircing while driving a gasoline lorry? | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, quite a long time ago, but nothing changed it seems. Still the same whining and trolling | 23:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and same IP range | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | and same type of nick | 23:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway - take care | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | cya | 23:54 |
| N900addikt | Why? | 23:55 |
| N900addikt | you are mistaken | 23:55 |
| N900addikt | Why u dont believe me man? | 23:56 |
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| N900addikt | Noone believes me man | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | N900addikt: i've been around IRC for over 11 years, founded an IRC server that was at least last i looked, used at 84% of all IRC servers. i've dealt with trolls, being DDoSed, etc. and that's why i'm not inclined to believe you, but since i'm not an idiot and believe that people can change, well, you're still here :) | 23:58 |
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| Stskeeps | but now back to normal discussion | 23:58 |
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