| lcuk | having to multipress or guess because there are not enough buttons to fill the normal alphabet | 00:00 |
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| anidel | Pijin... | 00:00 |
| hirabayashitaro | lcuk: kimitake adapted some IME packages for maemo, so I suppose he can do something for meego also | 00:00 |
| hirabayashitaro | the problem in this sense is that there's no commercial interest in that area by the involved companies | 00:01 |
| anidel | there will be.. China and India are very interesting markets now | 00:01 |
| hirabayashitaro | anidel: they are | 00:01 |
| hirabayashitaro | especially on the handset side | 00:02 |
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| anidel | lcuk, weren't you going to be? :) | 00:02 |
| anidel | *bed | 00:02 |
| lcuk | hirabayashitaro, i went reading | 00:02 |
| lcuk | then Venemo pinged me on another channel | 00:02 |
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| lcuk | anidel * | 00:03 |
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| anidel | meaning several reasons? | 00:03 |
| berndhs | anidel: i wish I could get one of those 2 billion people to work with me to provide for that market | 00:03 |
| anidel | provide what? | 00:04 |
| berndhs | make sure my applications work there | 00:04 |
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| lcuk | hirabayashitaro, does your normal computer IME make you curse with strange guesses? | 00:04 |
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| lcuk | is there a version of damnyouautocorrect for chinese because you missed a character? :D | 00:05 |
| hirabayashitaro | http://www.google.com/trends?q=android%2C+iphone%2C+blackberry have a look under the graph | 00:06 |
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| hirabayashitaro | lcuk: not really, I'm actually using Google IME (the open source version) which is in my opinion the best on linux today | 00:07 |
| hirabayashitaro | lcuk: though anthy is not bad at all | 00:07 |
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| hirabayashitaro | Hong kong, taiwan, korea are not something that could be ignored, I think | 00:08 |
| wmarone | it would help if there was a hardware vendor from those areas interested in MeeGo, and willing to engage the community | 00:09 |
| hirabayashitaro | wmarone: agree | 00:10 |
| berndhs | there probably are some vendors tehre working on it as we speak, just not in public | 00:10 |
| hirabayashitaro | wmarone: Japan is also a big market for mobile devices | 00:10 |
| wmarone | hirabayashitaro: oh I know, it's the country that gives us electronic dictionaries with ridiculous capabilities and the Sharp Zaurus | 00:11 |
| wmarone | on top of being the single biggest consumer of cell phone games | 00:11 |
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| hirabayashitaro | to answer Stskeeps who made me a question like an hour ago | 00:13 |
| hirabayashitaro | Stskeeps: missing things are as far as I can see: 1_Something like a forum or community friendly discussion board intended to cover most of the aspects of the project | 00:15 |
| wmarone | hirabayashitaro: language specific, I assume? | 00:15 |
| hirabayashitaro | Stskeeps: because mailing lists and bugttrackers are powerful tools, but a community of enthusiasts is sometimes scared of them | 00:15 |
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| hirabayashitaro | wmarone: an english one should be good, language specific boards are supposed to born spontaneously | 00:16 |
| wmarone | because there is forum.meego.com | 00:16 |
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| hirabayashitaro | wmarone: yes, but is quite poor, and there are only problem-solving related topics | 00:17 |
| wmarone | so perhaps the forums could use some expansion and categorization | 00:18 |
| hirabayashitaro | Stskeeps: 2_A more detailed description of the project compared to the official site, but less than the wiki which is very technical in approach | 00:19 |
| hirabayashitaro | wmarone: I think it should. | 00:20 |
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| hirabayashitaro | Stskeeps: (who is probably idle) 3_As I said a worldwide perspective. Programmers and fans are not only in Europe and America. Same for companies . | 00:23 |
| hirabayashitaro | Stskeeps: I'll think about point 4 and 5 | 00:23 |
| hirabayashitaro | Well, I'm going. See you soon! | 00:25 |
| wmarone | 試験頑張って | 00:26 |
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| lcuk | hirabayashitaro, good night \o | 00:26 |
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| hirabayashitaro | wmarone: はーい頑張ります | 00:27 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | I'm running meego-v1.1-netbooks on ExoPC with and without a USB mouse. Touchscreen works well with handset image on this HW, so hid_egalax driver is okay. With netbook image, it seems like either top launcher bar is working with touch and USB mouse, or rest of screen is working, but not both. Anyone else seen this? | 00:35 |
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| kvir4567 | http://bashtube.ru/video/7088/ | 01:08 |
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| * pixelgeek thanks Alison_Chaiken for http://wiki.meego.com/Installing_MeeGo_Handset_image_on_WeTab_Tablet | 01:45 | |
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| pixelgeek | I've had some problems with the netbook image on the Lenovos, just trying to click near enough to the top bar to trigger it. | 01:48 |
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| pixelgeek | The Windows key works nicely though to trigger it instead. | 01:48 |
| Alison_Chaiken | pixelgeek, I heard from Intel that ExoPC is easier to bring up than WeTab, which is why I switched (also, not using my own money!). | 01:49 |
| pixelgeek | Yes - the ExoPC is much easier to work with. No Ploploader required. | 01:49 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I'm finding that I get stuck in the top bar once I touch it. Just been turning on verbose mode of udev, etc. and reading up on mousedev, evdev and suchlike. | 01:49 |
| pixelgeek | Unfortunately, MS is out of stock of them right now. | 01:50 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Didn't get WiFi working on WeTab, which didn't come with ath9k driver. Didn't try hard though. | 01:50 |
| Alison_Chaiken | hid_egalax is statically compiled with handset image, but modprobing it with netbook should work, I would think. | 01:51 |
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| vgrade | alterego, ping | 02:20 |
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| CosmoHill | I may have, MAY have broken someone's web server | 02:22 |
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| CosmoHill | twice | 02:27 |
| CosmoHill | or is it three times | 02:27 |
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| berndhs | CosmoHill: anybody you know ? | 02:27 |
| CosmoHill | yeah he's my friend | 02:28 |
| CosmoHill | I go to ban someone on the forum for spamming and the server crashes | 02:28 |
| berndhs | lets hope he's stull your friend tomorrow :) | 02:28 |
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| CosmoHill | http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?p=483268#post483268 | 02:33 |
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| berndhs | well, it was nice knowing you | 02:35 |
| CosmoHill | thanks | 02:35 |
| berndhs | I hear that the next life is much better than this one | 02:35 |
| CosmoHill | I''ll probably still bark up the wrong trees | 02:36 |
| CosmoHill | oh it's crashed again | 02:37 |
| berndhs | maybe its not you, maybe jsut periodical that coincides with the spamming frequency | 02:38 |
| CosmoHill | it was the one person I was trying to ban | 02:39 |
| CosmoHill | infact I banned him about lunch time | 02:39 |
| lcuk | vgrade, I have a pic here from one of the channels, for context which one because I cant seem to find it | 02:40 |
| lcuk | doh, its from twitter | 02:40 |
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| lcuk | vgrade, is that your panda? | 02:43 |
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| vgrade | lcuk, yup | 02:45 |
| lcuk | :D | 02:45 |
| lcuk | is the kernel complex, I know spyro has one at home but not even taken it out of its box yet | 02:45 |
| vgrade | lcuk, only had it a few days | 02:46 |
| lcuk | errr I mean, is configuration complex | 02:46 |
| lcuk | cool | 02:46 |
| vgrade | rom loader is insane, | 02:46 |
| lcuk | vgrade, I gather its similar to the beagle? | 02:46 |
| vgrade | it needs crazy CHS | 02:46 |
| lcuk | most systems do! | 02:47 |
| vgrade | spent a day getting it to boot meego | 02:47 |
| lcuk | :) | 02:47 |
| vgrade | mic2 is supposed to sort all that but I must have the wrong version or missing a patch | 02:47 |
| vgrade | anyway its sloooooooooooooooooow but good for the meeting I guess | 02:48 |
| lcuk | well thats what merge requests are for lol | 02:48 |
| lcuk | heh, the N900 today was in similar state | 02:48 |
| lcuk | it showed a great static screenshot of meego all day :P | 02:48 |
| lcuk | the x driver was a bit misconfigured I hear based on the MT patches | 02:49 |
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| vgrade | don't know about that, N900 config after I've updated the Joggler to latest | 02:50 |
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| vgrade | did you say you were thinking of making the meet tomorrow | 02:51 |
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| wmarone | hmm | 02:52 |
| vgrade | wmarone, hi | 02:52 |
| wmarone | hi | 02:52 |
| vgrade | my vega has taken a bit of a back seat as I prep for the cambridge meet | 02:53 |
| wmarone | yeah | 02:53 |
| wmarone | I'm debating on keeping the thing, aside from short bursts of work it mostly sits idle | 02:53 |
| vgrade | the good thing is that what you learn on one port you can utilise in another | 02:53 |
| vgrade | my son puts it to use most of the time | 02:54 |
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| niala1 | gmorning | 10:06 |
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| vgrade | Meego Meeting When, Wednesday, February 2 · 7:30pm - 10:30pm, Where, Clowns, Cambridge 54 King Street | 10:12 |
| vgrade | Hands on with N900's, O2 Joggler, Pandaboard, netbook | 10:12 |
| vilvo | lbt: ping | 10:13 |
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| andre__ | vgrade: looks like your forgot the country info ;-) | 10:16 |
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| thiago_home | he said Cambridge | 10:20 |
| thiago_home | I'm guessing it's the one in the UK | 10:20 |
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| RST38h | There are at least two Cambridges | 10:21 |
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| RST38h | It can be either. | 10:21 |
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| vgrade | UK, yes | 10:21 |
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| lbt | vilvo: pong | 10:29 |
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| vilvo | lbt: I was looking at boss repo for boss_img_ots_client.py but couldn't find | 10:43 |
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| lbt | looking | 10:45 |
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| lbt | vilvo: it's part of imger : http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-infrastructure-tools/imger | 10:51 |
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| vilvo | ok, thanks | 10:56 |
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| neopsis | what do you think better, desktop with raid or raid server enclosure? | 11:05 |
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| tudovio_ | Hello! Does anyone know what API's can be used to test the Supplementary services features on top of the Meego api's? | 11:18 |
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| odin_ | vgrade, have fun at the meetup, unfortunately 5-aside footy night for me (ignoring the 1 hour 45 min drive each way for a moment) hope plenty attend :) | 11:42 |
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| Extends | hi all, How to install meego on vmware player or virtualbox, it is possible ? | 13:22 |
| niala1 | Extends: yes it is, take a look at the wiki | 13:22 |
| Extends | hum, thanks, I will see it | 13:23 |
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| niala1 | Extends: qemu is better, more speed | 13:24 |
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| Extends | hum, thanks for your advice | 13:25 |
| niala1 | virtualbox is a bit sllow | 13:25 |
| niala1 | slow | 13:25 |
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| niala1 | as i know, maybe it's changed now. | 13:27 |
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| Extends | I see it right now ; ) | 13:33 |
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| kvir4567 | http://bashtube.ru/video/165278/ ;) | 13:33 |
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| kvir4567 | http://bashtube.ru/video/165278/ | 13:36 |
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| Stecchino | 400 remote error: connect to api.meego.com 443 timeout ??? | 14:04 |
| Stecchino | down? | 14:04 |
| X-Fade | Stecchino: Works for me. | 14:05 |
| lbt | me too | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | same here | 14:06 |
| lbt | Closed: WFM | 14:06 |
| timoph | :) | 14:06 |
| Stecchino | works again. Temp glitch I guess | 14:06 |
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| lbt | Stecchino: good | 14:06 |
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| niala1 | meegotouch is not a part of meegocore ? | 14:12 |
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| niala1 | api i mean | 14:13 |
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| dneary_ | So - I just saw a reply on the forum saying that there's innuendo all over the internet (in the context of naming the pre-conference) and it made me remember a joke | 14:14 |
| dneary_ | As they go it's tame... | 14:14 |
| dneary_ | A woman walks into a bar, and orders a double entendre. So the barman gives her one. | 14:15 |
| dneary_ | Boom boom! | 14:15 |
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| gonzo__ | lsit | 14:53 |
| gonzo__ | list | 14:53 |
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| gonzo__ | names | 14:54 |
| gonzo__ | NAMES | 14:54 |
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| gonzo__ | MENU | 14:54 |
| Lynoure | gonzo__: WUT | 14:54 |
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| X-Fade | gonzo_: hi. | 15:15 |
| gonzo_ | hi there | 15:15 |
| X-Fade | So you can do two things. You can link your OBS to the MeeGo OBS or just import the MeeGo 1.0 repository. | 15:16 |
| lbt | hi | 15:16 |
| X-Fade | The community OBS just imports a published repository for now. | 15:16 |
| gonzo_ | lets discuss in half an hour. My colleges are going for lunch... | 15:16 |
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| gonzo_ | hello, I am back. | 15:41 |
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| gonzo_ | The problem is that I did not find any documentation how to setup a project yet. Just how to clone one. | 15:47 |
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| Umeaboy | Hi! | 15:49 |
| Umeaboy | I've been googleing for Java when it comes to Meego, but can't find any. | 15:49 |
| Umeaboy | Where can I find it? | 15:50 |
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| gonzo_ | You can use the RPM based installer from Oracle. It works quite fine. | 15:51 |
| andre__ | Umeaboy: the first two Google results are http://wiki.meego.com/Java and http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=34 | 15:51 |
| andre__ | which I think answer this. | 15:51 |
| Umeaboy | Okey. | 15:51 |
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| Umeaboy | Isn't wget installed as standard? | 15:55 |
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| lcuk | Venemo, did you try installing puzzle-master on your meego n900 yet? | 16:22 |
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| Venemo | lcuk, I don't have MeeGo on my N900 | 16:25 |
| lbt | gonzo_: hi.... in a meeting ... bbiab | 16:26 |
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| Venemo | lcuk, I will install it when someone can confirm for me that phone calls can work through the earpiece with MeeGo :P | 16:27 |
| lcuk | Venemo, leave your phone number on a bug report then :P | 16:28 |
| lcuk | when someone calls you from meego you know you can install it! | 16:28 |
| Venemo | lol lcuk :P | 16:28 |
| Venemo | lcuk, if you have a device in handy with MeeGo installed, could you test this for me? | 16:28 |
| Jartza | I should install MeeGo to my extra N900 | 16:29 |
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| Jartza | although, the earpiece of that phone is dead anyway :) | 16:29 |
| lcuk | its installed and working on my ideapad, but I cannot get networking working on my n900 and so its stuck in the ITP for now | 16:29 |
| Venemo | hehe | 16:29 |
| Venemo | anyway guys, I have to leave now. | 16:29 |
| lcuk | ie meego images on my n900 are what comes out of the image builder | 16:29 |
| lcuk | cya later Venemo \o | 16:30 |
| Venemo | I'll be back a few hours later | 16:30 |
| Venemo | lcuk, since the N900 is my primary phone, this kind of functionality is the bare minimum :) | 16:30 |
| lcuk | Venemo, we each have our own priorities - make sure you are cc'ed/voted on the related bugs | 16:31 |
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| Venemo | lcuk: I was considering getting myself some cheap Archos tablet for MeeGo, but didn't get to it yet. | 16:31 |
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| Venemo | lcuk: I don't have the URLs for any related bugs. | 16:31 |
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| lcuk | then search, and if there isn't one - file it. | 16:32 |
| lcuk | its your priority, so chase it :) | 16:32 |
| Jartza | I still haven't got an extra microsd-card to install meego | 16:33 |
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| Venemo | lcuk: I'm not filing a bug against something I didn't test | 16:33 |
| lcuk | lol, so install todays testing onto mmc and try | 16:34 |
| toninikkanen | jartza: $8 delivered :) http://www.dealextreme.com/p/kingston-4gb-tf-transflash-microsd-sdhc-memory-card-class-4-11241 | 16:35 |
| lcuk | http://download.meego.com/testing-daily/builds/trunk/1.1.90.1.20110201.84/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ | 16:35 |
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| Jartza | toninikkanen: yeah, I've just been lazy :) | 16:36 |
| toninikkanen | actually.. i'll order one myself now. :) | 16:36 |
| Venemo | lcuk: my 2gb microSD wasn't enough, I don't have a 4GB one and don't want to buy one just for a simple test | 16:36 |
| Venemo | lcuk: anyway, I'll test it on eMMC in sometime :) | 16:36 |
| Venemo | lcuk: bb | 16:36 |
| lcuk | roger, cya later Venemo \o | 16:37 |
| Venemo | lcuk: I'll be back. :) | 16:37 |
| lcuk | * Venemo is now known as The Terminator | 16:37 |
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| * lcuk puts head back down for a bit | 16:38 | |
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| piklu | Hello people | 16:38 |
| piklu | when is some phone coming with Meego? | 16:38 |
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| toninikkanen | what's the cheapest android tablet that has "good enough" quality HW (for porting MeeGo to and running on) ? | 16:41 |
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| piklu | Dell Streak, I think that would be good for you | 16:42 |
| piklu | They were recently running discounts | 16:42 |
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| andre__ | piklu: a MeeGo phone comes when a company using MeeGo announces one :) | 16:44 |
| toninikkanen | no announces yet, so no way to know | 16:45 |
| piklu | andre_ : looking for some insider news, lol | 16:45 |
| piklu | I expect Nokia to roll one | 16:45 |
| andre__ | and everybody will publish insider news in a public IRC channel, lol | 16:45 |
| toninikkanen | well think of it this way, if someone had insider info and leaked it here, they would be fired yesterday :) | 16:45 |
| piklu | nicknames only here, lol | 16:45 |
| berndhs | for insider news about Nokia, go to a bar in Finnland and start buying them expensive drinks | 16:46 |
| piklu | I thought its a channel involved in MeeGo Development | 16:46 |
| toninikkanen | berndhs: that strategy would work so well it would be scary. | 16:46 |
| andre__ | piklu: it is, MeeGo *SOFTWARE* development | 16:46 |
| andre__ | hardware of vendors = not here | 16:46 |
| piklu | Like APPS on MEEGO | 16:46 |
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| CosmoHill | berndhs: I think I got it, if I don't touch the website it can't break. at least not in a way where I get blamed | 19:08 |
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| lcuk | [Tinycc-devel] i just can't get over how farging fast tcc is... http://www.mail-archive.com/tinycc-devel@nongnu.org/msg03084.html some simple benchmarks of tcc. its a shame its x86 only | 20:30 |
| thiago_home | compile times? | 20:30 |
| thiago_home | how about execution times of the built code? | 20:30 |
| javispedro | lcuk: have you seen it compile the entire linux kernel in less than 30sec? :) | 20:31 |
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| javispedro | I remember there was a video (or was it a screenshot set?) where it booted to tcc in real mode compiling linux then chainloaded to the just compiled kernel | 20:31 |
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| lcuk | thiago_home, check the thread, I ask the same thing | 20:32 |
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| thiago_home | compilers running in real-mode? | 20:32 |
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| thiago_home | I haven't seen those since my Clipper and Turbo Pascal days | 20:32 |
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| lcuk | hmm the mail archive hasnt caught the latest message | 20:33 |
| * lbt wants to see fastcgi for gcc | 20:33 | |
| javispedro | http://bellard.org/tcc/tccboot.html | 20:33 |
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| thiago_home | for automatic builds...hmm interesting | 20:34 |
| thiago_home | my first C and C++ compiler already ran in protected mode | 20:34 |
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| javispedro | *sees source* hmm.. seems it runs in protected mode after all. | 20:36 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, what did you output from your compilers? asm or .o? | 20:36 |
| thiago_home | at those times? .obj | 20:36 |
| lcuk | heh | 20:37 |
| thiago_home | well, not the TP one | 20:37 |
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| * lcuk still calls binaries .exe and shared libraries dlls ;) | 20:37 | |
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| thiago_home | clipper did produce .obj, but it was an interpreted language | 20:37 |
| thiago_home | it generated code that called a library function to interpret a list of commands | 20:38 |
| thiago_home | that's why there were Clipper decompilers back then | 20:38 |
| thiago_home | the Microsoft C/C++ 7.0 compiler produced DOS real-mode and Windows 16-bit executables, but I didn't have the Windows SDK | 20:38 |
| lcuk | like PCODE from visual basic | 20:38 |
| thiago_home | Turbo Pascal didn't produce .obj. Libraries produced .tpu, programs produced .exe directly. | 20:39 |
| thiago_home | the Microsoft compiler, as all compilers back then, had different memory models, for pointer sizes | 20:39 |
| lcuk | theres a pascal compiler for maemo, I think the guy wrote an IDE too :) | 20:40 |
| thiago_home | near pointers, far pointers, yielding several different memory models: tiny (.com, 16-bit pointers, 64kB max), small (.exe, 16-bit pointers, 64+64kB), compact, medium, large and huge | 20:40 |
| lcuk | oh such fun x86 is | 20:41 |
| thiago_home | yeah | 20:41 |
| thiago_home | today's Linux executables are comparable to the Tiny model, except that pointers are 32-bit | 20:41 |
| thiago_home | so they are limited to 4 GB of memory | 20:41 |
| thiago_home | if we used 48-bit pointers supported by the architecture (large model), we could address a lot more memory | 20:42 |
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| lcuk | thiago_home, thats for 64bit CPUs I gather? | 20:43 |
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| lcuk | ie, the Atom CPUs inside many netbooks are not 64bit yet and so would not be usable? | 20:44 |
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| thiago_home | lcuk: 32-bit ones | 20:50 |
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| thiago_home | on 64-bit CPUs, pointers are 64-bit and the addressable memory depends only on the processor implementation | 20:50 |
| lcuk | oh cool thiago_home | 20:50 |
| thiago_home | btw, some Atom processors are 64-bit | 20:51 |
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| lcuk | I know some are, its just most of the common ones last time I looked were still 32b | 20:51 |
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| mkaran | Hi I am trying to build gst-plugins-base using the below command | 21:10 |
| mkaran | build --repository http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.1.90.1.20110201.1/core/repos/ia32/packages/ --arch i686 gst-plugins-base.spec | 21:10 |
| CosmoHill | you mean rpmbuild ? | 21:10 |
| mkaran | I am getting below error: | 21:10 |
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| mkaran | yes | 21:12 |
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| CosmoHill | can you pastebin the error | 21:12 |
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| mkaran | http://paste.org/pastebin/view/28319 | 21:13 |
| mkaran | please find the error http://paste.org/pastebin/view/28319 | 21:13 |
| CosmoHill | ls /usr/bin/python | 21:14 |
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| DawnFoster | We're doing a MeeGo Workgroup day (or 2) at the LF Collab Summit in April | 21:16 |
| DawnFoster | For agenda feedback / other ideas: http://wiki.meego.com/Events/Linux_Foundation_Collaboration_Summit_planning | 21:16 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: thanks for getting my meego.com address book updated ;) | 21:17 |
| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: :) | 21:17 |
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| mkaran_ | Hi CosmHill: | 21:19 |
| CosmoHill | you have a tail | 21:20 |
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| mkaran_ | CosmoHill: please tell me the solution | 21:22 |
| CosmoHill | ls /usr/bin/python | 21:23 |
| mkaran_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2011-01-20 21:14 /usr/bin/python -> python2.6 | 21:24 |
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| CosmoHill | where is the file scangobj-merge.py ? | 21:24 |
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| mkaran_ | CosmoHill: gst-plugins-base-0.10.32/common/scangobj-merge.py | 21:26 |
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| CosmoHill | hmm, ../../common/scangobj-merge.py might take it into the BUILD directory | 21:26 |
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| Aparna | Are there any MeeGo compliance test cases available? | 21:30 |
| mkaran_ | CosmpHill: Could you please tell me what I will do for this error | 21:30 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | BTW, DawnFoster, I did submit a BoF proposal to Embedded Linux Conference, which is 4 or 5 days after LFCS in the same venue. I guess the audiences won't overlap so probably there's no duplication? | 21:31 |
| Stskeeps | Aparna: app or system? | 21:31 |
| Aparna | Stskeeps: system | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | Aparna: i -think- so, not so much on hardware adaptation side, but in terms of compliance packages | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | Aparna: prod mwichmann or discuss on meego-dev on steps forward | 21:33 |
| mwichmann | test cases? | 21:33 |
| mwichmann | there are some basic test tools.... | 21:33 |
| DawnFoster | Alison_Chaiken: great! (I'm not worried about duplication between the 2) | 21:33 |
| Aparna | mwichmann: yes i checked those tools | 21:34 |
| mwichmann | so you're looking for something else... details? | 21:34 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Since LFCS BoF will attract only invited conference attendees, I think there should be plenty of locals who will attend the ELC one. Perhaps if the BoF I suggested is accepted, some of the more technical presenters at LFCS can talk again at ELC. | 21:35 |
| Aparna | mwichmann - are these tools complete. I was checking http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/ComplianceTools | 21:35 |
| Aparna | mwichmann - If i run my system through this tool and get an OK am I done? | 21:36 |
| mwichmann | I'm not exactly sure how to answer that | 21:36 |
| mwichmann | ah... I see | 21:36 |
| mwichmann | you're done with a caveat | 21:36 |
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| mwichmann | basically, with test result in hand you would be ready to apply to LF (if that's your aim) | 21:37 |
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| mwichmann | the caveat is you're still on the hook for compatibility; if meego.com implementation runs something and you don't, that's considered a sign of not being fully compliant | 21:37 |
| Aparna | mwichmann: LF stands for? Sorry Im bad at abbreviations | 21:38 |
| mwichmann | so you'd be expected to address that | 21:38 |
| mwichmann | Linux Foundation (MeeGo trademark holder, you apply if you want to call your implementation meego) | 21:38 |
| Aparna | ah ok I understand | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | mwichmann: out of curiousity, where do we have forms to start that process at? | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | / description of it | 21:39 |
| mwichmann | hey, I thought we were supposed to file bugs for bdub :) | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | true :) | 21:39 |
| mwichmann | there's a faq and some other docs in development, hopefully someone will start posting up soon | 21:39 |
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| Stskeeps | now for the teaser: are meego reference device hardware adaptations automatically compliant? ;) | 21:39 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 21:40 |
| Aparna | So how will we be tested for for the implementation at LF. Are there test cases that are under development | 21:40 |
| mwichmann | I think you can consider current tests to be early versions, and early experiences will guide where they have to evolve | 21:41 |
| mwichmann | I'm not directly involved in the test part (at least not now) | 21:41 |
| Aparna | mwichmann - when you say current test cases, those are the ones that we run using the compliance tools? | 21:42 |
| mwichmann | yes, that's what I mean | 21:42 |
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| Aparna | ok thanks | 21:42 |
| mwichmann | note that right now testing is existence-based, not functionally based | 21:42 |
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| mwichmann | that is, since meego is defined by a set of required packages, the test is that you have those, at the right versions | 21:42 |
| mwichmann | not that they work according to some behvioral standard | 21:43 |
| Aparna | hmm. So are we going to have some refinement which will take into consideration behavioral standard too | 21:44 |
| mwichmann | hey, I said I had ducked and run away :) | 21:44 |
| Aparna | hehe | 21:44 |
| mwichmann | my own answer to that is that it's hoped "use meego.com reference source" is good enough | 21:44 |
| Aparna | ok. | 21:45 |
| mwichmann | if it isn't, behavioral tests (which is a really big bullet to bite) would be looked at | 21:45 |
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| lbt | are the compliance tests that LF runs 'open' ? | 22:12 |
| * lbt has lag | 22:13 | |
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| Stskeeps | i think they're supposed to be - i thought it was kinda self-test and pass results to LF? | 22:13 |
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| kaushik | Oaktrail .ks config file??? | 22:14 |
| lbt | *nod* | 22:14 |
| * lbt breathes deeply | 22:14 | |
| lbt | looks for coffee beans to chew | 22:15 |
| * lardman has some chocolate covered ones he throws to lbt | 22:15 | |
| lbt | mmmm .... thanks | 22:15 |
| lardman | careful, especially at this time of night | 22:15 |
| lbt | meh... just getting started... | 22:16 |
| lbt | really :( | 22:16 |
| lardman | :) | 22:16 |
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| lardman | oh, not so good then | 22:16 |
| lbt | not a productive day.... suppose I should stop irc-ing and go hit the python | 22:16 |
| lardman | RSPCR? | 22:16 |
| lardman | they won't be happy | 22:17 |
| lbt | R ? | 22:17 |
| lardman | Reptiles ;) | 22:17 |
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| lbt | mmm sensuous snakes... | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: QML+pyside is a fun way to spend an evening | 22:18 |
| lardman | quick, more caffeine for this man! | 22:18 |
| lcuk3 | lbt, Nescafe have some great different blends of instant coffee | 22:19 |
| lcuk3 | sigh @ internet | 22:19 |
| lcuk3 | DawnFoster, the LFCS sessions - you did not add werewolf! | 22:19 |
| lbt | nooo | 22:19 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk3: We'll do that as a secret evening session after one of the parties :) | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk3: you should try the horrible things they claim is coffee here.. | 22:19 |
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| lbt | .... bridge building.... for real cars | 22:20 |
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| lcuk | well lbt I was thinking something more meego related lol | 22:20 |
| lardman | Stskeeps: you're not in India are you? | 22:20 |
| lardman | very weak and very milky coffee | 22:20 |
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| lcuk | coffee should be strong and milky :D | 22:20 |
| DawnFoster | *wonders if lcuk is trying to clone himself on IRC. Which one is the real lcuk?* :) | 22:20 |
| * CosmoHill has a 450MB auth.log file :/ | 22:21 | |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, heh | 22:22 |
| * lcuk stands up | 22:22 | |
| lardman | this isn't like Simon Says is it? | 22:22 |
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| lcuk | lardman, it is if you say stuff | 22:24 |
| lardman | ;) | 22:24 |
| CosmoHill | my cousin has a t-shirt that reads "Simon says: Let's get wasted" | 22:24 |
| lcuk | shhh CosmoHill you cannot post that online | 22:24 |
| lardman | I normally just say "let's go to the bar" | 22:24 |
| lcuk | lbt might read it and he HAS to follow it | 22:24 |
| CosmoHill | the funny thing is that he's not old enough to buy drink yet | 22:25 |
| * lardman / simon says eat coffee beans | 22:25 | |
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| * lbt is halfway there on coffee beans ... dark chocolate covered ones | 22:25 | |
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| lcuk | lol | 22:25 |
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| CosmoHill | now I want a hot chocolate | 22:25 |
| lardman | CosmoHill: that's when you actually get wasted, once you're old enough you have built up a tolerance | 22:25 |
| lbt | lardman: as it happens I went to Whittards yesterday and got 3 packs :) | 22:25 |
| * lardman continues with his glass of vino | 22:25 | |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, will most people be carrying their meego devices with them? | 22:26 |
| CosmoHill | in all honestly I think he drinks more than I do | 22:26 |
| lardman | lbt: don't tempt me, if I start eating those I'll never get to sleep at a reasonable hour! :) | 22:26 |
| lcuk | suggest something simple like give them a piece of logo to draw - then stack devices together | 22:26 |
| lbt | crunchy and stick in your teeth .... but in a "ooh, that tastes nice" kinda way | 22:26 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: carrying devices to the collab summit? (Or did I miss something)? | 22:26 |
| lcuk | yes DawnFoster | 22:27 |
| * lbt goes to work... | 22:27 | |
| lcuk | will they have ideapads or other touchable meego devices | 22:27 |
| * thiago_home hopes to be allowed to carry his meego device in public soon | 22:27 | |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: I hope so. I usually have a MeeGo netbook at conferences | 22:27 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: and I do my presentations from the netbook :) | 22:28 |
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| thiago_home | DawnFoster: PDF? | 22:28 |
| lcuk | I know you do DawnFoster, I meant the audience | 22:28 |
| lcuk | /participants in a collaborative session | 22:28 |
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| DawnFoster | thiago_home: open office usually | 22:28 |
| CosmoHill | I like the idea of the meego devices being carried around in secert and flashes to those who need to see them like some kinda ID | 22:28 |
| lardman | lol | 22:29 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, I tried that at the meegoconf | 22:29 |
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| lcuk | (I did not have my badge on and the security guard was there lol) | 22:29 |
| CosmoHill | like spys in files | 22:29 |
| DawnFoster | thiago_home: but oo is really wonky on meego - I'm hoping LibreOffice has their meego build soon. | 22:29 |
| lardman | lcuk: he didn't like the trenchcoat? | 22:29 |
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| CosmoHill | lardman: a bad spy, searching his many pockets for the meego device | 22:30 |
| lcuk | lardman, nahh he was fine with that, I think it was my stockings and high heels that threw him. | 22:30 |
| CosmoHill | "is that a windows 7 phone? he's working for the other side, get him!" | 22:30 |
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| lardman | CosmoHill: no, has another connotation re flashing, which lcuk summed up quite nicely :D | 22:30 |
| CosmoHill | (PS welcome to my imagination) | 22:30 |
| lcuk | heh | 22:31 |
| lcuk | will bbiab \o | 22:31 |
| mwichmann | lbt, Stskeeps: the tests that exist are in git (meego-compliance-tools) | 22:31 |
| mwichmann | there are no tools "that LF run" in the sense that it's a self-testing model, you run 'em yourself | 22:31 |
| CosmoHill | now I have that image of lardman in my head only with a trenchcoat on over the top | 22:32 |
| lardman | not me, lcuk ! | 22:32 |
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| mwichmann | and why does it need cursing? (any more than C popen(), that is)? | 22:38 |
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| lardman | it's being used on nm, and nm is presumably only producing a stderr output as the binary in question is statically compiled | 22:40 |
| lardman | so I'm cursing it as I need to replace it | 22:41 |
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| lardman | so nothing too specific | 22:41 |
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| thiago_home | isn't there a popen3? | 22:43 |
| thiago_home | or was that a Perl thing? | 22:43 |
| lardman | apparently deprecated now | 22:43 |
| lardman | but yes | 22:43 |
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| mwichmann | heck, there's even a popen4 afair | 22:44 |
| lardman | indeed | 22:44 |
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| mwichmann | without looking it up, I think the intent is to move people to subprocess | 22:45 |
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| lardman | yes, though using the suggested import line results in something along the lines of NameError: global name 'Popen3' is not defined | 22:46 |
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| lardman | what can I do to check whether there are any lines to return with f.readlines() without blocking? | 22:55 |
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| RST38h | lardman:peek() or feof()? | 22:56 |
| lardman | it's stdout, is that likely to still work? | 22:57 |
| RST38h | stdin you mean?yes, peek() should work | 22:57 |
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| lardman | no stdout of a file I've popened | 22:57 |
| lardman | that's confusing | 22:58 |
| lardman | anyway it's the output of nm | 22:58 |
| RST38h | it should work, try it | 22:58 |
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| lardman | this is Python btw | 22:58 |
| RST38h | should work the same | 22:59 |
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| lardman | I can't see it in the docs | 22:59 |
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| RST38h | lardman: use file.next() | 23:05 |
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| * lardman has a look at that one | 23:05 | |
| RST38h | lardman: and no, I am not responsible for python "architects" making you do everything through the anal orifice | 23:05 |
| lardman | :) | 23:05 |
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| lardman | I've tried a "for line in file" and that seems to block too | 23:06 |
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| lardman | and that should be the same as file.ext | 23:06 |
| lardman | next | 23:06 |
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| * lardman gives up for the time being and starts writing something in C++ | 23:07 | |
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| lardman | or even C | 23:07 |
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| RST38h | A sensible idea. | 23:08 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | I'm having trouble getting WiFi to connect on Atom with meego-handset-ia32-pinetrail-mtf-1.1.90.0. ath3k is loaded, "iwlist scanning" shows channels, so HW is working. Do I need to start connman by hand, or if I type "ifconfig mywifi up" at CLI, should connman start? connman docs are a bit light! | 23:42 |
| Alison_Chaiken | I see "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): link is not ready" in dmesg, BTW. | 23:43 |
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| Venemo | hey guys | 23:58 |
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