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| Phazorx | unfortunatelly i rebooted to windows 1st | 00:00 |
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| Phazorx | now in order to get back i have to usbboot and then deal withchrooting out of livecd apparently | 00:00 |
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| Phazorx | unless i can use dd within win7 on unrecognizable unmounted partition somehow :/ | 00:02 |
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| piggz | lo...i was wondering if a kernel is available with broadcom 4401 lan driver (so i could atleast get on the net to install all the packages to build the broadcom wireless driver) | 00:12 |
| CosmoHill | my RAM has been posted! wait it's 10pm | 00:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | Phazorx: in the old days you could use norton disk edit :) | 00:18 |
| timeless_mbp | there are plenty of usb imaging tools for windows, and in general if you're admin you can do direct writes to hardware… the code isn't that hard :) | 00:19 |
| GAN900 | CosmoHill, "Electronic shipping info received" is dastardly. | 00:19 |
| Phazorx | tim_jenssen: in old days windows didnt care WHO/WHAT boots them | 00:19 |
| Phazorx | now we have BCE and smart recovery software | 00:20 |
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| CosmoHill | 1GB for my laptop and another 1GB for another laptop | 00:21 |
| Phazorx | and my issue is that i am being forced to use BCE as boot manager since linux based ones are not suitable for 3 partition win7 install | 00:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | mlfoster: hey | 00:21 |
| timeless_mbp | mlfoster ‣ #info With that being said, Dimitris, how goes development on meego.transifex.net? | 00:22 |
| timeless_mbp | i think the domain is wrong | 00:22 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 00:22 |
| * timeless_mbp frowns | 00:22 | |
| timeless_mbp | it didn't work the first time i tried it in safari | 00:23 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:04 |
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| mlfoster | timeless_mbp: sorry, I didn't see your hail! | 01:07 |
| nimbat | hi all. is (or will be) meego supported on CE4100 sodaville? | 01:09 |
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| timeless_mbp | so | 01:21 |
| timeless_mbp | anyone here familiar w/ meego-touch-manifest? | 01:21 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm trying to use it. | 01:21 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://gitorious.org/meegotouch-manifest doesn't seem to have "documentation" | 01:21 |
| CosmoHill | is it good or bad that I'm reading a examiners report on distrubuted / parralle computing? | 01:21 |
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| auke | CosmoHill: spelled exactly like that? | 01:24 |
| * auke giggles at Cosmohill | 01:24 | |
| CosmoHill | maybe | 01:24 |
| auke | sounds bad then :) | 01:24 |
| * CosmoHill smacks his head when he remembers what flynn's taxomity is | 01:25 | |
| CosmoHill | *Taxonomy | 01:25 |
| auke | lol | 01:26 |
| auke | I'd have to look that one up | 01:26 |
| auke | ah, sisd/simd/misd/mimd | 01:27 |
| CosmoHill | see | 01:27 |
| CosmoHill | I was reading that on wikipedia last week | 01:28 |
| * timeless_mbp pokes Stskeeps | 01:28 | |
| auke | CosmoHill: this always shocked me about US-centric IT education | 01:28 |
| CosmoHill | iirc you're Dutch and the last time I checked I'm English | 01:29 |
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| auke | CosmoHill: I studied CS in the Netherlands, and nobody tought me really what 'flynn's taxonomy` was, but we got the idea | 01:29 |
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| auke | but when I moved to the US people would discuss how bad it was that candidates etc didn't knew what (example) the OSI model is | 01:29 |
| auke | I'd be like, whut? OSI? | 01:29 |
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| auke | working for the ethernet group at intel :) | 01:29 |
| CosmoHill | (that's network layers right?) | 01:29 |
| auke | yah | 01:30 |
| CosmoHill | my probably is that I tend to know what I want to do and how to do it | 01:30 |
| auke | I had networking classes alright. The term OSI was never used. I know damn well the difference between protocol and physical layer lol | 01:30 |
| CosmoHill | but I can't explain it | 01:30 |
| CosmoHill | for example I have no idea what "data structure" means | 01:30 |
| CosmoHill | but I can make programs with multiple linked lists | 01:31 |
| CosmoHill | we had (and failed at) a question which was "what is substitutability" | 01:32 |
| CosmoHill | none of us knew what he meant | 01:32 |
| CosmoHill | if he has said "template functions" we'd of been fine | 01:33 |
| CosmoHill | s/we/I/ | 01:33 |
| infobot | CosmoHill meant: if he has said "template functions" I'd of been fine | 01:33 |
| * lbt looks at "I'd of been fine" and cries... | 01:33 | |
| * lbt tries not to use words that have layers of meaning | 01:34 | |
| CosmoHill | OSI layersw? | 01:34 |
| lbt | fuzzy english.... | 01:34 |
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| CosmoHill | aren't you english tho? | 01:35 |
| lbt | describe what you mean rather than use a word that tries to convey a lot of context | 01:35 |
| lbt | yes | 01:35 |
| lbt | but you meet people from all kinds of areas... many of whom share similar mental models | 01:36 |
| lbt | and use different vocabulary to describe it | 01:36 |
| lbt | “The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place.” | 01:36 |
| CosmoHill | if he had said "template functions" we would have know what he meant | 01:36 |
| CosmoHill | better? | 01:37 |
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| CosmoHill | luck disagrees :( | 01:37 |
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| lbt | much better... "known" though... | 01:37 |
| lbt | CosmoHill: what's your native language? | 01:37 |
| CosmoHill | english -.- | 01:38 |
| lbt | ah... | 01:38 |
| * lbt is cruel sometimes ;) | 01:38 | |
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| CosmoHill | you're the 3rd person to ever ask me that | 01:38 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 01:38 |
| mikhas | maybe you should start thinking then =p | 01:38 |
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| auke | junk in, junk out | 01:39 |
| CosmoHill | why would you clone junk? you'd just end up with more junk? | 01:39 |
| lbt | We have a community/public OBS \o/ | 01:39 |
| * lbt is happy | 01:39 | |
| auke | you'd end up with the same junk | 01:39 |
| timeless_mbp | auke: that's the general idea | 01:39 |
| auke | lbt: yes, yay | 01:39 |
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| CosmoHill | yay for happiness | 01:39 |
| timeless_mbp | CosmoHill: yep, mxr.moego.org/meego/ has lots of junk | 01:39 |
| auke | lbt: I wonder what the first junk in it will be :) | 01:39 |
| timeless_mbp | but i want more junk | 01:39 |
| lbt | auke: x86 meego ;) | 01:39 |
| auke | lbt: was thinking more in the line of packages | 01:40 |
| auke | package junk in, arm/x86 junk out | 01:40 |
| lbt | well. it'll be doing Maemo too | 01:40 |
| lbt | so we'll be importing all the Extras packages | 01:41 |
| lbt | we've had a few people package stuff on the current community OBS | 01:41 |
| CosmoHill | lbt: there is a reason it took me 3 years to get a GSCE in english :p | 01:41 |
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| lbt | auke: just saw your mail on pkging | 01:43 |
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| CosmoHill | "You have been asked to make a 30 minute presentation on the following topic: | 01:52 |
| CosmoHill | Challenges in Distributed Systems Security | 01:52 |
| CosmoHill | Sketch out approximately 8 content-rich presentation slides, with associated notes, that you would use for your talk. | 01:52 |
| CosmoHill | " | 01:52 |
| CosmoHill | oh shit | 01:53 |
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| CosmoHill | 25 mark exam question :/ | 01:53 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 02:07 |
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| auke | lbt: hehe | 02:16 |
| auke | lbt: I think this is a point where I see stuff going wrong potentially in meego because people are too focused on one distribution | 02:17 |
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| auke | lbt: in essence I'd rather have healthy ecosystem where everyone keeps each other in balance packaging wise, and we're not all forced to package our code in a certain way | 02:18 |
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| auke | lbt: nokia/intel people coding specifically for meego creeps me out, it's as if they have a hard time showing their code to anyone else | 02:19 |
| auke | I mean, coding and packaging | 02:19 |
| erkules | hi, is meego on n900 allready recommended? | 02:21 |
| auke | as a developer platform, yes | 02:22 |
| auke | as an end user platform? no idea :) | 02:22 |
| erkules | hehe | 02:22 |
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| csd_ | I do sense conflicting msgs at times. "We want everyone to participate" followed by "We want to get our [Intel/Nokia] release/procedures in place and can't get bogged down by getting everyone to participate". | 02:27 |
| auke | csd_: actually, most of the rules were in place when meego came to life, they were just not documented | 02:28 |
| ptl | it's like two universes colliding, actually | 02:28 |
| auke | csd_: as we open more and more up for discussion, people like to see changes | 02:28 |
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| csd_ | auke: understood (that there were a lot of things in place @ Maemo/Moblin prior to Meego) but a lot of people are coming into this in Meego timeframe | 02:34 |
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| csd_ | and some of the Moblin/Maemo hashing out looks like backroom deals. I think its fine as a starting point, you have to start somewhere. | 02:35 |
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| csd_ | But eventually decisions on Meego the distro have to become arms-length from the HW vendors | 02:38 |
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| auke | csd_: yes, but you can't take the \intel|nokia\ out of those people :) | 02:44 |
| auke | in my case, it's not even an Intel perspective (on including debian/spec/yaml stuff in the upstream repo) | 02:44 |
| auke | it's a personal view | 02:44 |
| auke | one that I had years before I joined intel or meego | 02:45 |
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| csd_ | he he | 02:49 |
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| csd_ | That's one difference between Meego & Android though (not to start a flamewar). | 02:53 |
| csd_ | Android was started by a SW vendor, so its non-threatening to HW vendors | 02:54 |
| csd_ | Meego has been started by a HW vendor and a Cellphone vendor - other HW/Cellphone vendors raise an eyebrow when they hear that | 02:55 |
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| auke | I realize that, but, if you want to join an existing community, you can't expect this community to drastically change themselves before you yourself add something of significant value to this community | 02:58 |
| ptl | metaphoric eyebrows can be lowered easy by showing the code. | 02:59 |
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| ptl | *easily | 02:59 |
| csd_ | Its not a drastic change if that was the plan all along... Its a bit of a catch-22 though to say we will be more open when others join, and others say we will join if you're more open | 02:59 |
| auke | I'd prefer to raise eyebrows :) | 02:59 |
| auke | csd_: of course. openness does not mean "willing to change on a whim" though. | 03:00 |
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| csd_ | Its just a perception thing | 03:00 |
| * csd_ speaks from experience on trying to sell Meego to a HW vendor... | 03:00 | |
| thiago | csd_: you send Nokia to do that selling | 03:01 |
| thiago | and you send Intel to send to other handset vendors :-) | 03:01 |
| thiago | you do know which company is the largest buyer of ARM chips, right? | 03:01 |
| csd_ | combo-approach ! | 03:02 |
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| csd_ | Nokia is a big buyer, but ARM is sold to many markets that Nokia doesn't play in | 03:05 |
| thiago | yeah, no doubt | 03:07 |
| thiago | my point is that Nokia is the largest ARM buyer, in volume | 03:07 |
| thiago | I don't know how much that is in % of the total volume of ARM chips, though | 03:08 |
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| Macer | Stskeeps: around? | 04:01 |
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| Macer | was just wondering when the next ks was due out. i was able to build the closed old nokia ks | 04:02 |
| Macer | but the last one i tried gave me some funky gpg error | 04:02 |
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| Phazorx | bah... | 09:41 |
| * Phazorx kicks his ISP | 09:41 | |
| Stskeeps | anyone good with fedora shared object naming guidelines? | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: are you familiar w/ 'repo'? | 09:48 |
| * timeless_mbp found a "meego" repo which claimed to have a 'repo' manifest for pulling meego | 09:48 | |
| timeless_mbp | but waved its hands at some unnamed wiki | 09:48 |
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| fabo | 1st batch of mails sent; coffee! | 10:21 |
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| Stskeeps | i should really add to my contract 'sending relevant email about project, XX% of the week' | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | ok, if you were mnp-world-clock.c, where would you be? | 10:25 |
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| AlexO | Hello All. I need help with udev/udisks settings. I have USB multi-card reader. Meego can detect SD card insertion, but when I remove the SD card, there is only UDEV and KERNEL "change" events in udevadm monitor logs. And it works as I need on my laptop with Ubuntu. I heve the following packages installed on my Meego: udev, udisks, udisks-devel, dbus. | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | TSCHAKeee: you had a mali device? | 11:06 |
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| AlexO | What does it maen "mali"? | 11:06 |
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| niqt | hi | 11:12 |
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| niqt | in the future there will be a version of Meego fro via chip? | 11:14 |
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| vlj | hi | 11:17 |
| vlj | in fact emgd drivers does not seems to work on T91MT :( | 11:18 |
| vlj | (it's a pain to configure xorg.conf with them) | 11:18 |
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| Stskeeps | did you get a emgd enabled kernel/module? | 11:19 |
| vlj | no | 11:19 |
| vlj | where can I retrieve it ? | 11:19 |
| vlj | I only got the xorg part | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | ah, that's probably why nothing works | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | wait for vgrade | 11:20 |
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| vlj | ok | 11:20 |
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| Stskeeps | heffer: ping | 11:37 |
| heffer | Stskeeps, pong | 11:37 |
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| Stskeeps | heffer: how are you with typical rpm policies and shared objects? such as libblah.so, libblah.so.1 etc? | 11:37 |
| heffer | pretty good, any questions? :D | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | heffer: well, we have a pretty funky situation. on ARM and GLESv2 in general, applications link against /usr/lib/libGLESv2.so directly, not .so.1 | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | this is specified by khronos for some reason | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | the problem is that well, we want to be compatible with the rest of the world, so our binaries would Requires: libGLESv2.so instead of so.1 | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | which in packaging guidelines is stated should only exist in -devel packages :) | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | (the .so) | 11:40 |
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| Stskeeps | so we have a bit of a conflict | 11:40 |
| heffer | okay | 11:41 |
| heffer | so is libGLESv2.so the binary itself? | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | on most implementations yes | 11:42 |
| heffer | does the compile process of libGLESv2.so not create a versioned binary? | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | at least not the closed source ones i've seen | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | my n900 only have /usr/lib/libGLESv2.so for instance | 11:42 |
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| Stskeeps | the problem is that if we start building apps against /usr/lib/libGLES.so.1 (to be ok with packaging guidelines), those apps will break on version-less implementations | 11:43 |
| heffer | so you basically have no influence on the build process because it's closed source? | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | well, on the actual implementations - we can build against it fine cos it's an open api (and stubs/mesa like libs exist) | 11:44 |
| heffer | an unversioned so-file is usually a sign of 1. lack of knowledge upstream or 2. not being able to guarantee ABI stability | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | or 3. stupid specification | 11:45 |
| heffer | what we do in Fedora in those cases is that we patch the Makefile to include the full upstream version number on the so-file | 11:45 |
| heffer | you could then link the unversioned one in a -devel subpackge | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | khronos states libGLESv2.so, with a symlink to libGLESv2.so.1 in order to transparently upgrade libGLESv2.so to libGLESv2.so.2 for instance | 11:46 |
| heffer | worst case would be that the verison-less implementation would then pull in the -devel package | 11:46 |
| vgrade | vlj, sorry for the delay with the emgd kernel I've been to school on OBS bulding for the last couple of days. Got the hang of it now so I should have a kernel for you soon. | 11:46 |
| heffer | sweet. they understand versioning of so-files the opposite way :D | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | so i'm really wondering if a band-aid is the only way ahead | 11:47 |
| heffer | aka "We want to present applications linked against older versions with new versions without needing to recompile them" | 11:47 |
| vlj | vgrade: where did you grab the source for the kernel module of emgd ? | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | like, versionless implementations getting a ln -s libEGL.so libEGL.so.1 in packaging | 11:47 |
| heffer | Stskeeps, you could also create a -compat subpackage solely for the reason of packaging a symlink | 11:48 |
| heffer | i think that would be reasonable to justify an exception | 11:48 |
| vgrade | vlj, see the notes on the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnwfVtHuhoI | 11:48 |
| heffer | because having normal packages pull in -devel packages for runtime is rather... unusual | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 11:49 |
| vlj | thx | 11:49 |
| heffer | and i'm afraid you have to meet this bad design decision with a band-aid then | 11:49 |
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| Stskeeps | however, does /usr/lib/whatever.so -> whatever.so.1 normally exist? | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | ah, i guess it doesn't.. | 11:50 |
| heffer | no. only in -devel packages | 11:51 |
| heffer | the -devel packages contain those symlinks | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | right, seems like i need to poke some people | 11:52 |
| heffer | basically what you want to do is to just package that symlink in a special package. that's the easy way | 11:52 |
| heffer | because that way you can just let packages that require the versionless so-file pull in the newest version of the versioned one | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:55 |
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| heffer | Stskeeps, you might find this thread interesting: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2009-March/025336.html | 12:01 |
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| Stskeeps | thanks | 12:03 |
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| Phazorx | . | 12:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: don't forget to make devel depend on compat | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp | otherwise bad things will happen | 12:27 |
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| * timeless_mbp considers throwing a match at the brush near heffer | 12:28 | |
| heffer | :P | 12:28 |
| heffer | i didn't break anything | 12:29 |
| heffer | yet | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | heffer: i think the thing to keep in mind is that the version name is in the filename | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | it's libGLESv2 | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | if they want to have a new api, they'd write a file libGLESv3 | 12:29 |
| heffer | silly people | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | and now, i've lit my matches | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | so if you comment again, i will toss them :) | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | please keep in mind that the world is not unix | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: the problem is also a bit that the linux distros balantly ignore what khronos says anyway :) | 12:30 |
| timeless_mbp | there are some oddly popular platforms with commercial products and a huge userbase which do not stick suffixes after the file extension | 12:30 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: linux distros are stupid | 12:30 |
| timeless_mbp | that won't make the 6pm news | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | people are supposed to build against /usr/lib/libGL.so, not /usr/lib/libGL.so.1, for instance | 12:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | let alone 11pm | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | guess what most distros are building against | 12:30 |
| heffer | timeless_mbp, exactly. the world is not unix. | 12:31 |
| timeless_mbp | personally, i'm quite happy to see distros break for being stupid | 12:31 |
| heffer | that's why they fail so miserably at it :D | 12:31 |
| timeless_mbp | distros stupid. surprise | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | i vote we all go for .dll's | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:31 |
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| heffer | ln -sf libGLESv2.so GLESv2.dll | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: +1 | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | .dllhell is so much milder than .sohell | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | and ms managed to solve .dllhell | 12:32 |
| heffer | why wasn't meego based on windows to start with? | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | heffer: dunno, nokia did have a windows project for notebooks | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | actually, that's probably not past tense | 12:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | you could do my employer a favor and buy a bunch ;-) | 12:33 |
| heffer | but i don't think they ever tried cramming windows onto a phone | 12:33 |
| heffer | i know other vendors have | 12:33 |
| timeless_mbp | nokia? not that i know of | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | other classic phone vendors? a bunch, indeed | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | at least, i don't know of any public references to having tried it | 12:34 |
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| heffer | but those other vendors' linux-based phones are now more successful | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | it wouldn't shock me if it was attempted in private | 12:34 |
| heffer | me neither | 12:34 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 12:34 | |
| timeless_mbp | apple has now outsold motorola for 2 quarters running | 12:34 |
| TermanaN900 | i think im going to kill myself if this discussion turns into an end product | 12:35 |
| heffer | but it shows that nokia has proven common sense | 12:35 |
| timeless_mbp | and it has i believe 1 phone on the market at a time | 12:35 |
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| TermanaN900 | :P | 12:35 |
| timeless_mbp | heffer: um. *cough* | 12:35 |
| heffer | :D | 12:35 |
| timeless_mbp | those two things do not belong in a sentence together. ever | 12:35 |
| timeless_mbp | probably not even in the same paragraph, page, or perhaps document | 12:35 |
| heffer | TermanaN900, even if the end product would be me and timeless_mbp forming a company that crams Windows 7 Ultimate onto phones? | 12:35 |
| timeless_mbp | heffer: actually, the descriptions i've seen for the new windows phone platform don't seem bad | 12:36 |
| TermanaN900 | heffer, an hero. Ill develop a Maemo app that shows me on my camera :P | 12:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | the only gripe i have is that it's like apple's platform: mostly closed | 12:36 |
| timeless_mbp | (i think you have to use silverlight or whatever) | 12:37 |
| heffer | well android is just a little less closed :) | 12:37 |
| TermanaN900 | heffer, unless you offer me an obnoxiously large wage - then im in!! :P | 12:37 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, in reality at this point apple's platform is the most open of them | 12:37 |
| timeless_mbp | … there's irony for you | 12:37 |
| heffer | that's why i put my hopes into meego :D | 12:37 |
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| * timeless_mbp hopes heffer has some other ways to be happy | 12:38 | |
| timeless_mbp | fishing, horses, casinos,... | 12:38 |
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| timeless_mbp | those all probably have better odds :) | 12:38 |
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| heffer | i'm allergic to horses, unfortunately | 12:39 |
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| heffer | but fishing is okay with me | 12:39 |
| Aard | /win 19 | 12:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | /lose =b | 12:41 |
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| vgrade | vlj, can you try the kernel here, this should contain the img graphics patch, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.0/1.0.0.5.20100707.2/core/repos/ia32/packages/kernel-netbook-2.6.33.3-19.1.i586.rpm | 12:52 |
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| vgrade | vlj, scratch that DRM_EDG is not enabled in that binary, will have a new one build soon | 13:03 |
| vlj | ok | 13:04 |
| vlj | you build them with build service ? | 13:04 |
| vgrade | yes | 13:07 |
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| smeegollll | hello does anybody know when smeegol (opensuse+meego) is gonna be out for installation? | 13:43 |
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| vgrade | vlj, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5715485/kernel-netbook-2.6.33.3-20.1.i586.rpm | 17:21 |
| vlj | thx | 17:21 |
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| vlj | I hope I didnt take you too much time :$ | 17:22 |
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| vgrade | np, i don't have my obs badges yet so things take time | 17:24 |
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| vgrade | the spec file also seems to direct the OBS to build all the kernels in series instead of spreading them over the full OBS back ends | 17:25 |
| vlj | ok | 17:26 |
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| vgrade | did you manage to build a new netbook image | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | changed in later kernels (series) | 17:27 |
| vgrade | stskeeps, its still quicker than me bashing keys though | 17:28 |
| vlj | vgrade: I took the "official" netbook image and I installed emgd-drv with virtualbox | 17:29 |
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| vgrade | ok | 17:31 |
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| vgrade | vlj, you may need to install the other packages which have -1636- in the filename from, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.0/1.0.0.5.20100707.2/ivi/repos/ia32/packages/i586/ | 17:36 |
| vgrade | I think there are 7 of them | 17:36 |
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| vlj | which one ? | 17:37 |
| Phazorx | is dual finger scroll supposed to be working (or at least possible to enable) for touchpads that do support it? | 17:39 |
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| vgrade | compat-libva, mesa-emgd-dri,mesa-emgd-libGL,xorg-x11-drv-emgd,xorg-x11-utils-emgdgui, only 5 sorry | 17:40 |
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| Meegoanogo | man thers a lot of abandonware in the repos | 17:50 |
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| Stskeeps | Meegoanogo: hi maemoboi | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | and wtf do you mean by abadonware | 17:52 |
| Meegoanogo | apps not being updated no more... | 17:53 |
| Meegoanogo | abandoned apps | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | and what apps are you talking about? | 17:53 |
| Meegoanogo | whole wack of em | 17:54 |
| Phazorx | i have not heard about sed or awk being updated recently | 17:54 |
| Phazorx | but that does not make them abandonware | 17:54 |
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| Phazorx | or tar for that matter | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | Meegoanogo: give a specific example. | 17:54 |
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| Meegoanogo | what i'm sayin is...there's a lot of unfinished apps ...seems like devs have gone away | 17:55 |
| Meegoanogo | Stskeeps: greader | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | Meegoanogo: in meego? | 17:55 |
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| Meegoanogo | i just dont want the same mistake repeated in meego | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | you're talking about something that isn't meego, don't troll | 17:56 |
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| Meegoanogo | ok | 17:57 |
| Meegoanogo | but the fanbois baned me in meemo for speaking my mind... | 17:57 |
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| slaine | The fact that you've referred to them as fanbois, I can only guess why | 17:59 |
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| Stskeeps | well if you said 'how do you intend to deal with what looks like abandonware in meego", thats where app stores come in | 17:59 |
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| Stskeeps | reviews, ratings, etc | 17:59 |
| lcuk | Meegoanogo, you cannot have open source without partial projects - that is not a maemo or meego thing, that is the fact that people start things and do not progress through - fact of life. if you want less incomplete projects the solution is to roll up your sleeps and help the devs | 18:00 |
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| lcuk | sleeves even | 18:00 |
| Meegoanogo | slaine: unless you praise them they kick you out...that aint constructive discussion | 18:00 |
| slaine | true, it takes both sides | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | Meegoanogo: also, you are coming in with nickname 'meego a nogo' | 18:01 |
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| Stskeeps | Meegoanogo: who's the idiot here again? | 18:01 |
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| Meegoanogo | whats your point? | 18:01 |
| Meegoanogo | chill | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | Meegoanogo: do you having anything valuable to contribute here? | 18:02 |
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| Meegoanogo | yes | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | get a proper nick and stop trolling, consider this your first warning. | 18:02 |
| Meegoanogo | last i chcecked....irc was open for all | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | why did people implement bans then? | 18:03 |
| Meegoanogo | you wanna turn it into a nazi state? | 18:03 |
| GAN900 | Hehe | 18:03 |
| Meegoanogo | bans are for spammers | 18:03 |
| GAN900 | Or trolls | 18:03 |
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| Meegoanogo | bans are not for people with a different point of view | 18:03 |
| lcuk | then go discuss it on the #bannedandwanttocry channel | 18:04 |
| Meegoanogo | funny | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | Meegoanogo: let me just get an article for you.. | 18:04 |
| thiago | <--- Troll | 18:04 |
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| Stskeeps | Meegoanogo: http://www.oreillynet.com/conferences/blog/2006/07/oscon_how_open_source_projects.html - i think you can agree your behaviour corresponds closely to that of a poisonous person. | 18:05 |
| Meegoanogo | i have a lot to contribute here....i have years of experience in coding and programming...lots of experience....but all i see is hostility | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | Meegoanogo: no, you're starting out with typical troll behaviour. | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | Meegoanogo: go read that page, please. | 18:06 |
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| Meegoanogo | trust me... | 18:06 |
| Meegoanogo | ok | 18:07 |
| Meegoanogo | i have coded stuff that would make your jaws drop... | 18:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | you sound like an arrogant child. | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | Meegoanogo: yes, good for you, but we're talking about your behaviour | 18:07 |
| lcuk | the dental UX may need your help | 18:07 |
| * TSCHAKeee snickers | 18:08 | |
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| Meegoanogo | what about my behavior? im trying to lite a fire in a community that badly needs it | 18:08 |
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| Meegoanogo | i read that article....good one Stskeeps | 18:09 |
| Meegoanogo | Stskeeps: done | 18:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | do you know how to light a fire in a community? WRITE CODE, CONTRIBUTE DOCUMENTATION, HELP PEOPLE. | 18:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | PICK ONE. | 18:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | or more | 18:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | up to you. | 18:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | otherwise, you're just a whiny little bitch. | 18:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | one that we have no time and energy for. | 18:10 |
| Meegoanogo | back in my engineereing days at nokia we were considered the future of the company | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | so, get a normal nickname, start participating as a normal person, instead of starting with a direct attack/trolling each time you join. | 18:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | oh wow | 18:10 |
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| Meegoanogo | i am not attacking ...your perception | 18:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | Meegoanogo: just so you know, you're surrounded by Nokia people here. the bullshit detector just broke. | 18:11 |
| Meegoanogo | i apologise if i did | 18:11 |
| Meegoanogo | lol...you guys were sucking milk when we were kings of the engeneering hill at nokia | 18:11 |
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| * TSCHAKeee rolls eyes. | 18:12 | |
| Meegoanogo | now we just observe | 18:12 |
| pinchartl | I stop watching IRC for half an hour and a friday troll (not the thiago type ;-)) sneeks in. it has been a long time | 18:12 |
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| TSCHAKeee | Meegoanogo: what group were you with? | 18:12 |
| Meegoanogo | and i continue to be abused here by a bunch of close minded people | 18:13 |
| Meegoanogo | i was in what was then called series60 and later series90 | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | Meegoanogo: sorry, but you're acting like an ass in here. obvious flamebaiting, too. | 18:13 |
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| Stskeeps | Meegoanogo: so, shape up or leave. | 18:13 |
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| Meegoanogo | an ass? so who is using bad language here my friend? | 18:14 |
| TSCHAKeee | Meegoanogo: they weren't called the series60 and series90 groups. FAIL. | 18:14 |
| TSCHAKeee | oh well | 18:14 |
| * TSCHAKeee just puts this guy on ignore | 18:14 | |
| TSCHAKeee | :) | 18:14 |
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| Meegoanogo | hehe... you guys dont have to believe me i dont care | 18:15 |
| pinchartl | TSCHAKeee: ignore is usually much more effective than ban | 18:15 |
| pinchartl | but it requires a collective effort | 18:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | pinchartl: indeed. | 18:15 |
| TSCHAKeee | it really amazes me how people can have the balls to walk in and talk like this to a group of people who actually do work. | 18:16 |
| w00t_ | the phrase "don't feed" exists for a reason :-) | 18:16 |
| pinchartl | you also need to clean up your ignore list at some point, otherwise you start believing people are ignoring you :-) | 18:16 |
| TSCHAKeee | pinchartl: heheheh | 18:16 |
| thiago | there was a series 90 | 18:16 |
| thiago | as well as series 80 | 18:16 |
| thiago | both got canned | 18:17 |
| TSCHAKeee | yes. | 18:17 |
| TSCHAKeee | and yes | 18:17 |
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| Meegoanogo | ignoring one of the biggest programmer at nokia....well done community.....well done | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | Meegoanogo: got a CV? | 18:17 |
| Meegoanogo | yes | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | show us then | 18:17 |
| pinchartl | Stskeeps: don't feed... :-) | 18:17 |
| TSCHAKeee | Meegoanogo: who did you report to? | 18:18 |
| Meegoanogo | i will....in due course | 18:18 |
| frals | hey everyone look at me im awesome | 18:18 |
| frals | ... this is what we are doing, right? | 18:18 |
| TSCHAKeee | pretty much | 18:18 |
| nalle | frals: you are.. :P | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | frals: you -are- awesome. | 18:18 |
| TSCHAKeee | yeah, i agree | 18:18 |
| Meegoanogo | TKJ cant give you full name but people in the know will know who I'm talking about....he is no longer there | 18:18 |
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| Meegoanogo | i will be honest with you....may i? | 18:19 |
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| pinchartl | anyway, bugs won't fix themselves magically. I'm back to real work | 18:19 |
| frals | Stskeeps: no-u! ;) | 18:19 |
| * frals goes back to trying to migrate to new device without forgetting anything on the old one | 18:20 | |
| Meegoanogo | i wish you meego guys all the best....i want nokia to shine again....but guys: lose the arrogance please | 18:20 |
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| * slonopotamus yawns | 18:21 | |
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| Stskeeps | you're the one coming in with constant flammable topics and nicknames, who's the troll here again? | 18:21 |
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| w00t_ | slonopotamus: welcome to the show, want some popcorn? | 18:21 |
| Meegoanogo | nokia at the very top has a lot of hope in meego....it HAS to succeed | 18:21 |
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| TSCHAKeee | we definitely need a new drug for those who get easily excited.. Fuckitol. :P | 18:21 |
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| TSCHAKeee | just so those (including me) can chill when certain inflammatory personalities enter a room. | 18:22 |
| Meegoanogo | in the very top level meeting the talk is all meego or nothing....symbian is a persona non grata....trust me | 18:22 |
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| TSCHAKeee | some people just don't know how to lie properly. | 18:22 |
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| w00t_ | moving on.. | 18:25 |
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| slonopotamus_ | crappy crap. gsm coverage in subway in reverse direction is much better for some reason :/ | 18:25 |
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| meegoman | whassup? | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | not much. waiting for people to come back from vacation. | 18:29 |
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| w00t_ | enjoying the start of a weekend | 18:29 |
| meegoman | LOL | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | and you? | 18:30 |
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| meegoman | nothing | 18:30 |
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| Stskeeps | so what brings you to meego? | 18:31 |
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| slonopotamus_ | aaargh | 18:31 |
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| meegoman | jjust chillin' | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | what do you want to run meego on? | 18:32 |
| * slonopotamus finally gets out of subway. so, who is on duty today? | 18:32 | |
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| meegoman | mobile phones | 18:33 |
| meegoman | tablets | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | you a user, developer, tester? | 18:34 |
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| meegoman | positive on all 3 counts | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | what area would you like to contribute to? | 18:35 |
| meegoman | not sure yet | 18:35 |
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| meegoman | observing for now | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | know any qt? | 18:36 |
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| meegoman | i dont yet see the potential to make income in open source... | 18:36 |
| meegoman | coding as a hobby I am not interested in | 18:37 |
| slonopotamus | meegoman: you want teh stinkin bucks? | 18:37 |
| slonopotamus | :) | 18:37 |
| blino | meegoman: sharing same IP adress as Meegoanogo? | 18:38 |
| meegoman | well, I am not a charity | 18:38 |
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| Stskeeps | well, open source contributions often cause people to get more visible and eventually hired. but you can do meego work as a living too | 18:38 |
| meegoman | ok | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | plenty of positions open | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | so, sometimes open source pays | 18:38 |
| meegoman | i understand | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | also as an app developer doing qt towards meego app stores, you might make a buck - though some say its not sustainable | 18:40 |
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| vlj | meego app stores is not online now is it ? | 18:40 |
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| meegoman | the volumes dont justify making an income from app development | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | not yet, but i guess ovi store might count for qt apps (another interesting topic) | 18:41 |
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| Stskeeps | meegoman: scaringly enough i agree. and donations for oss doesnt work either | 18:41 |
| meegoman | i doubt it | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | have to find a middle way | 18:41 |
| vlj | well have to go now see you | 18:42 |
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| meegoman | how will the major publishing houses (such as EA) will ever come on board? | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | meegoman: by providing a compelling target group/market, same as everywhere else | 18:43 |
| achipa | meegoman: apps are almost never profitable, the tail is very, very, very, very long | 18:43 |
| meegoman | good luck | 18:44 |
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| achipa | unless you're a super-coder, marketing-master and social-expert all rolled into one :) | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | meegoman: we aren't the ones doing business, we do the platform, open source :) | 18:44 |
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| Stskeeps | meegoman: which has direct benefit to lesser cost of getting a phone to market for companies, easier adaptation by hobbyists, etc | 18:45 |
| meegoman | your statement is incorrect. there are developers in apple/android making a living out of app development. and making a nice living too. | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | meegoman: yes, but they're few | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | there was some article on this the other month | 18:45 |
| slaine | Anyone here running MeeGo on modern Atom, D4xx or something ? | 18:46 |
| achipa | meegoman: I didn't say that there aren't any, it's just that for every successful one you get dozens of those who aren't doing that well | 18:46 |
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| achipa | meegoman: think about it as the lottery. Sure, some people win on it, but it doesn't make it a good business | 18:46 |
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| TSCHAKeee | it will truly be scary when "modern" means, less than three months old | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | meegoman: so, we know very well you're the same person we just banned before - i'll lift your ban now. please stick with your current nickname next time you join and keep on behaving as you have done in this session. | 18:48 |
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| *** Stskeeps sets mode: -b *!*user@74.198.*.* | 18:49 | |
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| meegoman | ok...thanks | 18:49 |
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| * TSCHAKeee looks at Stskeeps and shrugs | 18:49 | |
| * slonopotamus yawns again | 18:49 | |
| Phazorx | perhaps a bit offtopic here.... but can i ask a meego-technical question (and expect an answer or some kind of reaction)? | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | Phazorx: go ahead :) it's highly on topic | 18:50 |
| slonopotamus | Phazorx: definitely | 18:50 |
| achipa | I can promise a reaction | 18:50 |
| Phazorx | well looking at the log here... :) | 18:50 |
| Phazorx | is dual finger scroll supposed to be working (or at least possible to enable) for touchpads that do support it? | 18:50 |
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| Stskeeps | Phazorx: netbook, handset? | 18:50 |
| Phazorx | samsung N150 | 18:50 |
| Phazorx | netbook :) | 18:50 |
| * achipa 's reaction is O_o | 18:50 | |
| TSCHAKeee | i don't think netbook supports it | 18:50 |
| Phazorx | well it works with sabayon and win7 | 18:51 |
| Phazorx | so the device definetly supports it | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | Phazorx: i don't think netbook UX is fond of multitouch, sadly | 18:51 |
| Phazorx | is that curable? | 18:51 |
| achipa | Stskeeps: though that should be more X... right ? | 18:51 |
| Phazorx | i see the option in the gnome-prefs | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | achipa: yeah, but also has soemthing to deal with toolkit | 18:51 |
| achipa | Stskeeps: as in, it's not really multitouch, just aliasing for the scroll | 18:52 |
| slonopotamus | Phazorx: sabayon linux? | 18:52 |
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| Phazorx | slonopotamus: yes | 18:52 |
| Phazorx | 4.1 gnome | 18:52 |
| slonopotamus | i c | 18:52 |
| Phazorx | so it is not exactly the same but pretty close | 18:52 |
| slonopotamus | Phazorx: that should be just a matter of driver/X settings | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | Phazorx: worth a question to meego-dev@meego.com i beleive | 18:52 |
| Phazorx | but just to confirm - it is not even supposed to work | 18:53 |
| Phazorx | and that is desired behavior as of now | 18:53 |
| Phazorx | not some kind of malfunction/missconfiguration on my end? | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | i work with handset stuff on singletouch, so not sure personally | 18:53 |
| achipa | I'm not that familiar with the netbook UX but would be surprised if it was | 18:53 |
| Phazorx | well most of netbooks support MT now | 18:53 |
| slonopotamus | Phazorx: if you didn't set up anything explicitely in sabayon, then meego just has smth broken | 18:53 |
| slonopotamus | Phazorx: i mean, anything related to described behavior | 18:54 |
| Phazorx | hmm | 18:54 |
| achipa | as it's really just a question of X/driver emitting scroll events (doesn't even touch on high-level stuff) | 18:54 |
| Phazorx | i'll compare drivers i guess | 18:54 |
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| slonopotamus | achipa: udev also maybe | 18:54 |
| Phazorx | oh yeah... brightness controls are not wotking either | 18:54 |
| Phazorx | while sound is fine | 18:55 |
| Phazorx | looks like the ball is in udev court... | 18:55 |
| slonopotamus | Phazorx: i'd bet smth is different in udev setup | 18:55 |
| achipa | slonopotamus: yeah, well, the mouses-with-funny-buttons sort of usual suspects :) | 18:55 |
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| slonopotamus | or maybe that was x+hal stuff... meh, don't remember | 18:56 |
| achipa | (still remembering the pain of setting up 7+ buttoned mice on ancient X configs) | 18:56 |
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| slonopotamus | Phazorx: hal is easy to check. see how your touchpad is identified in sabayon and in gentoo | 18:56 |
| slonopotamus | err | 18:56 |
| slonopotamus | s/gentoo/meego/ | 18:57 |
| slonopotamus | 0:-) | 18:57 |
| Phazorx | the thing is i'm afraid rebooting the damn thing now | 18:57 |
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| Phazorx | but i'll have to at some point :/ | 18:57 |
| Phazorx | BCE behavior is quite bizarre there | 18:57 |
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| slonopotamus | Phazorx: hal-find-by-capability --capability input for start | 18:58 |
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| slonopotamus | Phazorx: and next, hal-device <touchpad device found by capability> | 19:00 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: meego uses hal in X, isn't it? | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | no | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | udev | 19:01 |
| slonopotamus | Phazorx: does xev output smth when you press those buttons? | 19:01 |
| slonopotamus | okay, forget about hal :) xev still applie | 19:02 |
| slonopotamus | *s | 19:02 |
| slonopotamus | Phazorx: if it doesn't, does anything funky show up in dmesg when you press those buttons? | 19:02 |
| * slonopotamus needs to strip hal from his desktop too, btw | 19:03 | |
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| Scorp1us | Is there a meego jobs board? | 19:19 |
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| Stskeeps | Scorp1us: i'm in the meego group on linkedin.com and there's announcements quite often | 19:21 |
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| Stskeeps | Scorp1us: for nokia jobs, http://nokia.taleo.net/careersection/10120/jobsearch.ftl?lang=en&radiusType=K&radius=1&organization=2746770113868&searchcriteria.state=false - search for meego | 19:22 |
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| Scorp1us | Thanks! | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | there's probably some intel ones too .. sec | 19:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | please kickban DocScrutinizer_ | 19:41 |
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| Phazorx | bah... i hate bce and microsoft aproach to things... | 19:41 |
| Phazorx | can i have boot partition on flash drive that boots the hd installed megoo? | 19:41 |
| Phazorx | w/o swap | 19:41 |
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| Phazorx | or, perhaps there is some way to have more tan 4 primary partitions | 19:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~quit | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer_ | No! You quit! | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | DocScrutinizer: ping | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer_ | ~pong | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | PLEASE KICKBAN DocScrutinizer_ | 19:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: ^^^ | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | just get whoever to rename it instead | 19:48 |
| FIQ | ~quit | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer_ | No! You quit! | 19:48 |
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| FIQ | "ok" | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, [18:47] -!- infobot [~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg] | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | End of WHOWAS | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | so you had it a bit coming ;) | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet I hadn't | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | oh well | 19:49 |
| * Stskeeps goes shower | 19:49 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: just checking if freenode had freed up the nick so infobot can reclaim it. Then restarted infobot_ and some bastard or some bug in/at infobot_the_process decided it should be named DocScrutinizer_ now | 19:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~ping | 19:58 |
| apt | ~pong | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | PLEASE KICKBAN DocScrutinizer_ | 19:58 |
| auke | lol | 19:59 |
| auke | why? | 19:59 |
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| ShadowJK | it doesn't help much, it'll still be connected to the server | 20:01 |
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| MohammadAG51 | <MohammadAG51> go to #freenode and ask for it to be klined | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | BS | 20:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | or at least killed, then reg and ghost it | 20:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | freenode won't kline for no reason | 20:01 |
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| ShadowJK | a kline would also cover DocScrutinizer ;p | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 20:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | not if it's IP based | 20:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | and that's how we do klines on our server | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it's IP based then klines ALL infobots | 20:02 |
| FIQ | kline nick and ip..? | 20:04 |
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| ShadowJK | oh wait it's connecting from a different hosts, but then it'd hit all infobots :) | 20:04 |
| FIQ | i.e. nick!*@ip | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | freenode won't kline for no reason | 20:05 |
| ShadowJK | probably easiest to kill it from a shell ;p | 20:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure, but the idiot who thought it's funny infobot calls itself DocScrutinizer_ now is the one on the shell | 20:06 |
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| Stskeeps | TSCHAKeee: did you answer regarding if you had a device with telechips/mali? | 20:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: please kick DocScrutinizer_ | 20:07 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i don't see any benefit in that, it still keeps your nickname. | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer_ | You don't see any benefit in that, it still keeps your nickname.? | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 20:07 |
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| *** DocScrutinizer_ was kicked by Stskeeps (please return as infobot) | 20:07 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | THANKS A LOT! | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: yeah, that was a bit annoying | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ping | 20:08 |
| apt | ~pong | 20:08 |
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| * DocScrutinizer ponders how long til docscrutinizer_ infobot is back | 20:10 | |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 20:10 |
| ShadowJK | You're expecting it back? | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, on next infobot reboot | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless they fixed that idiotic config until then | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | infobot has a list of channels it is allowed / supposed to join, plus a default name for each chan | 20:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dunno if somebody made docs_ join meego same way I made apt join meego, or if it's actually a changed default nick in infobot's config | 20:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway somebody with admin rights must have configured infobot to connect to freenode with nick docscrutinizer_, or it is a really funny bug in infobot | 20:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway still no original infobot online | 20:16 |
| Phazorx | so... any suggestions how to make meego bootable in presence of win7 and only 1 primary partition left? | 20:16 |
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| Scoo | hi!!!! Joys ! | 20:32 |
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| Scoo | Some one is already running Meego ?@ | 20:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer_ | meh, killed it (docS_ infobot | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer_ | ~ping | 20:42 |
| apt | ~pong | 20:42 |
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| Scoo | DocScrutinizer > ?@ | 20:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer_ | [2010-07-30 19:39:09] *** DocScrutinizer_ nennt sich jetzt DocScrutinizer__. | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer_ | [2010-07-30 19:40:34] <-- DocScrutinizer__ hat den Server verlassen (Disconnected by services). | 20:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2010-07-30 18:59:50] [Whois] DocScrutinizer_ ist ~infobot@rikers.org (TimRiker's infobot) | 20:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually a weird bug in infobot with reclaiming his nicknames | 20:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: so no, I don't think it will come back :-) | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | and if it does, I'll ghost it right away :-P | 20:50 |
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| vgrade | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv 0BC7BEC479FC1F8A command from http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation#Requirements any ideas? | 21:05 |
| vgrade | command timing out | 21:06 |
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| Scoo | who vgrage ^!@? | 21:06 |
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| CosmoHill | bit of short notice but | 21:30 |
| CosmoHill | Anyone who's thinking of going to uni in the next year or two, there is an open day at Anglia Ruskin University tomorrow | 21:30 |
| CosmoHill | There campuses are in Chelmsford, Essex and Cambridge (Both in England) | 21:31 |
| CosmoHill | s/There/Their/ | 21:31 |
| apt | CosmoHill meant: Their campuses are in Chelmsford, Essex and Cambridge (Both in England) | 21:31 |
| CosmoHill | I'll be at the chelmsford campus ^.^ | 21:32 |
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| vgrade | CosmoHill, wish I could relive the uni years again | 21:35 |
| vgrade | started mine in '82 | 21:36 |
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| CosmoHill | I was -7 years old :) | 21:36 |
| vgrade | :( | 21:36 |
| amjad_ | i was +2 years old :) | 21:36 |
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| CosmoHill | using an unsigned int, I would have been 248 years old | 21:37 |
| CosmoHill | that reminds me, I need to learn to use GMP | 21:38 |
| csd | unsigned char, unsigned int would be much bigger than that | 21:39 |
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| CosmoHill | oh yes | 21:39 |
| CosmoHill | my mistake | 21:39 |
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| vgrade | BSc in Computation probably looked a little differnet back then compared to what you guys do now | 21:41 |
| vgrade | no PC's for one thing | 21:41 |
| csd | though back in '82 unsigned ints would have been 8 bits to on the microprocessors of the day... | 21:42 |
| CosmoHill | vgrade: lets see, we have the main stairwell to our department out of action | 21:44 |
| CosmoHill | and the room i'm in is also beeing used to for temp storage | 21:44 |
| CosmoHill | so there are computers people can steal in there :/ | 21:44 |
| Scorp1us | i was 6, and I thinkt hey were still 16bit | 21:45 |
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| CosmoHill | back in a bit :) | 21:45 |
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| csd | Scorp1us: well, in the z80 & 6502 days they didn't do C (hadn't made it to microprocessors yet) but if I recall the C compiler for z80 that I eventually used did have 8 bit ints. But it was a while ago, maybe not... | 21:48 |
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| Phazorx | oh... happy admin day everyone | 22:13 |
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