| Vid | I know there are static source code packages at <http://repository.maemo.org/community>, but I'm looking for active repositories like the ones for Fremantle on gitorious | 00:02 |
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| Sc0rpius | well I guess Diablo CSSU is not active | 00:07 |
| Sc0rpius | but that is the official link, the one you pasted | 00:08 |
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| Vid | Sc0rpius, thanks for the info | 00:23 |
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| Sc0rpius | damn, Nokia Messaging is no longer an option for me in the Service Provider list in Modest | 00:28 |
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| Mozillion | hello all | 00:38 |
| Mozillion | I just wanted to verify, but I cannot think of any other thing I upgraded in the past weeks | 00:39 |
| Mozillion | but it seems that the Jabber call/video call buttons have disappeared since I switched to CSSU | 00:39 |
| Mozillion | does anyone else on CSSU still have the buttons | 00:39 |
| Mozillion | if so, I look further for the issue ;) | 00:39 |
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| Sc0rpius | well finally cheated the N900 to allow me to create another Nokia Messaging account | 00:57 |
| Sc0rpius | now using this-channel-hated-gconf I'm conna copy that configuration to scratchbox so I can test Modest Nokia Messaging in it :P | 00:59 |
| Sc0rpius | :) | 00:59 |
| Sc0rpius | Jabber call/video buttons? in telepathy? | 00:59 |
| Mozillion | yes | 01:11 |
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| Sc0rpius | dunno I don't use Jabber... | 02:20 |
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| Sc0rpius | hmm nokia-messaging is a closed modest plugin | 02:39 |
| Sc0rpius | no wonder... | 02:39 |
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| Sc0rpius | ok I managed to fix the New Message Button in portrait mode but | 05:25 |
| Sc0rpius | I MIGHT have a memory leak doing so, so I need to test/investigate more | 05:26 |
| Sc0rpius | but in summary I do this: | 05:26 |
| Sc0rpius | gtk_widget_queue_resize(priv->new_message_button); | 05:26 |
| Sc0rpius | when a screen change is detected | 05:26 |
| Sc0rpius | it works, but I think the pointer of the screen gets hanging without proper unref/free | 05:27 |
| * Sc0rpius goes to read GdkScreen/GtkWidget documentation | 05:27 | |
| Sc0rpius | fixed the Segmentation Fault | 05:40 |
| Sc0rpius | fixed all New Message buttons | 05:54 |
| Sc0rpius | but now I just noticed the Mailboxes window has a New Message button that doesn't look hildonized | 05:54 |
| Sc0rpius | fixed everything | 05:57 |
| Sc0rpius | and nobody ever noticed the button of mailboxes window wasn't hildonized since the beginning of times | 05:57 |
| Sc0rpius | now patch + final test + merge request to MohammadAG | 05:57 |
| Sc0rpius | merge request done | 06:19 |
| Sc0rpius | anyway there's a couple of things to do | 06:19 |
| Sc0rpius | 1.- fix the toolbar when viewing a message in portrait mode | 06:19 |
| Sc0rpius | 2.- Force compose message window to landscape, at least for now in my opinion, since I think nobody is going to type an email in portrait mode | 06:20 |
| Sc0rpius | 5 bugs left to release tree view mode | 06:25 |
| Sc0rpius | :) | 06:25 |
| Sc0rpius | ok time to go to sleep | 06:31 |
| MohammadAG | <Sc0rpius> +and nobody ever noticed the button of mailboxes window wasn't hildonized since the beginning of times | I did, told timeless about it :p | 07:21 |
| MohammadAG | though tbh, I thought it was part of nokia messaging | 07:25 |
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| Sc0rpius | nope, it was a mistake in the code :P but it's fixed now | 07:37 |
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| MohammadAG | can someone compile the latest hildon-desktop from the git repo and post it? | 08:32 |
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| ruskie | hmm will the cssu start supporting some easy way of specifying what app should be used for what(i.e. what should be used for http:// https:// ftp:// mailto: links? and with what parameters?) | 09:45 |
| ruskie | so one could use mutt or alpine or some webmail if so desired... | 09:48 |
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| thp | ruskie: theoretically yes. we just need to figure out which component is currently taking care of that (maybe libhildonmime?) | 11:10 |
| thp | ruskie: do you want to volunteer finding out which component is responsible for that? we can then determine if it's open (and just patch it) or if we would need to replace it | 11:11 |
| ruskie | well there is browser switchboard... so maybe base it on that? just expand it for all urls? | 11:12 |
| thp | ruskie: yes, that'd be a good start | 11:12 |
| ruskie | from what I understand and from what I've seen on my own... one needs to substitute whatever dbus listener is in use(i.e. in case of browser replace it with an app that will handle those)... | 11:15 |
| ruskie | mailto links also seem to be directed on dbus to modest | 11:16 |
| ruskie | so would need to grab that part of modest and make it separate | 11:16 |
| thp | i don't think you can replace listeners. but maybe you mean filtering d-bus messages? | 11:16 |
| ruskie | more like intercepting the messages | 11:17 |
| ruskie | dbus-switchboard and browser-switchboard certainly handle stuff | 11:17 |
| ruskie | so either they intercept certain messages and simply kill the final process | 11:20 |
| ruskie | or they actually hook into that address and listen on it... while killing the original listener | 11:20 |
| ruskie | it's been I think about a year since I checked this | 11:21 |
| thp | ruskie: have you tried contacting the browser switchboard author(s)? | 11:21 |
| ruskie | looking at browser-switchboard it does hookup as a dbus-server(listener) | 11:24 |
| ruskie | and replaces com.nokia.osso_browser.service with itself | 11:24 |
| ruskie | implements minimal osso_browser_init, osso_browser_class_init, open_address, osso_browser_load_url, osso_browser_mime_open, osso_browser_open_new_window, | 11:27 |
| ruskie | comment from it: /* Register the name com.nokia.osso_browser on the D-Bus session bus */ | 11:27 |
| ruskie | so something similar would need to be done for mailto | 11:28 |
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| ruskie | /usr/share/dbus-1/services/com.nokia.modest.service <-- so that and a listener that can disassemble mailto: links into something that is passable to apps merge with browser switchboard to have support for both... and possibly extend browser-switchboard to allow a separate app for ftp: links... | 11:33 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:34 |
| Jaffa | ruskie: There's no need for that to be part of the CSSU, is there? It can be an Extras package just like Browser/DBus Switchboard. | 11:35 |
| ruskie | well would be nice if all of that would be part of the cssu in core... so that people would have a choice from the get-go | 11:36 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Sc0rpius: I've noted another bug with Modest in portrait beyond just the "New message" button. The "Message Details" dialogue is shown squished up against the bottom of the screen, making it impossible to read any of the content. | 11:36 |
| Jaffa | ruskie: So we should also include fMMS, so people can send MMS from the get go? And Hermes so people can sync photos and social network information from the get-go? And PrDoom so people can play a 3D game from the get-go? | 11:37 |
| Jaffa | ruskie: If it can be shipped separately, and isn't massively core, it should stay out of the CSSU IMHO | 11:37 |
| Jaffa | ruskie: The CSSU is a mechanism and project to deliver fixes which can't be delivered easily any other way. Not a bucket for every interesting piece of functionality... | 11:37 |
| ruskie | having the ability to choose what app is launched for something or other is imho massively core | 11:37 |
| ruskie | since every other OS(even windows) has such a feature... | 11:38 |
| Jaffa | ruskie: For you. | 11:38 |
| Jaffa | ruskie: Windows only has it cos of the anti-trust trial ;-) | 11:38 |
| ruskie | last I checked win95 supported a default browser and mailclient feature | 11:39 |
| Jaffa | ruskie: If it can be shipped separately, and not everyone may want it, why couple it to the CSSU's release cycle and process? | 11:39 |
| Jaffa | ruskie: In the same way that Maemo does: third party apps listen for an appropriate event and claim it for themselves (roughly) | 11:39 |
| Jaffa | Look, I consider shortcutd core to my usage of Maemo, but there's no reason it needs to be included in the CSSU | 11:40 |
| psycho_oreos | iirc someone had issue with microb not being able to connect. This is not directly related to using CSSU, however he later mentioned that microb was able to connect to internet and show pages after he installed browser switchboard. So in theory browser switchboard seems important | 11:40 |
| ruskie | Jaffa, well my understanding of what a CSSU should be I guess differs... I would assumed it wasn't just for bugfixes and adding imho pointless feature(portrait mode)... it's about providing a complete and BETTER alternative to what is provided by nokia... | 11:42 |
| ruskie | s/feature/features/ | 11:43 |
| Jaffa | ruskie: That's what the whole of Extras does. | 11:43 |
| Jaffa | ruskie: CSSU is *part* of that. Not the whole of it. | 11:43 |
| ruskie | no the whole of Extras are just that... applications on top... stuff one might want to run instead of the core apps... | 11:43 |
| Jaffa | ruskie: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#What_is_it.3F -- "It aims to deliver fixes which can't be delivered easily through Extras, such as core Maemo packages. It won't, however, bundle software which can be installed through the Extras repositories." | 11:45 |
| psycho_oreos | what about lfocus for example? | 11:46 |
| ruskie | lfocus? | 11:47 |
| psycho_oreos | video recording without LED is a pita. Having to install a 3rd party app just to have that functionality is more annoying :) | 11:48 |
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| psycho_oreos | a package that allows you to adjust settings for recording videos for example. Disabling red LED, enabling dual LED for recording dark scenes, etc | 11:48 |
| ruskie | well I'm still trying to figure why modest fixes couldn't be delivered through extras... | 11:49 |
| psycho_oreos | probably the logic for that is modest is standard nokia app | 11:50 |
| ruskie | or any other component at that that isn't closed | 11:50 |
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| thp | ruskie: we can ship enablers for stuff like browser switchboard to controll all URIs if it doesn't work by default | 12:32 |
| thp | so if there needs to be a change in a built-in component to get browser switchboard to work fully, i think it's okay to put that in | 12:32 |
| pillar | default app chooser could be a control panel plugin | 12:34 |
| pillar | and I agree with ruskie that it should be quite core to an OS that lets users freely to add 3rd party apps | 12:36 |
| thp | if the package is small and unintrusive, i think it can go in (jaffa?) | 12:40 |
| thp | so if browser switchboard is rewritten into a control panel applet and has its "branding" removed to just have a "Preferred applications" appearance | 12:41 |
| lardman|home | has anyone reported their N900 not wanting to charge from the wall socket since the last cssu? | 12:47 |
| lardman|home | perhaps a reboot will sort it | 12:47 |
| Lava_Croft | lardman|home: works here | 12:49 |
| Lava_Croft | maybe the wall socket is broken | 12:49 |
| Lava_Croft | or the charger | 12:49 |
| lardman|home | no, reboot fixed it | 12:49 |
| lardman|home | never seen that before though, recognised the wall charger as a standard usb device and asked if I wanted mass storage of pc suite mode | 12:50 |
| lardman|home | s/of/or | 12:50 |
| Lava_Croft | heh? | 12:50 |
| Lava_Croft | you mean the standard AC charger?> | 12:50 |
| Lava_Croft | that comes with the N900 | 12:50 |
| Lava_Croft | going from power socket to phone | 12:50 |
| Lava_Croft | that one never asks me for PCsuite mode or whatever | 12:50 |
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| lardman|home | yes, that is precisely what I mean | 13:15 |
| lardman|home | apologies for the lag | 13:15 |
| lardman|home | and likewise, I've never seen that before | 13:18 |
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| Lava_Croft | that doesnt happen here, heh | 13:53 |
| Lava_Croft | anyway, i have no skills that can really help you with this | 13:56 |
| Lava_Croft | sadly | 13:56 |
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| lardman | Lava_Croft: np, I was just wondering if anyone else had encountered it | 14:37 |
| Lava_Croft | lardman: maybe MohammadAG can help you | 14:40 |
| Lava_Croft | or anyone else:X | 14:40 |
| lardman | don't worry, if it happens again I'll debug it myself | 14:41 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 14:41 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm? | 14:47 |
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| Jaffa | ruskie: If you don't understand why modest can't be shipped through Extras, I'm afraid I haven't got time to explain. Short version: it can't because of HAM domains, repository trust levels and mp-fremantle-generic-pr fixed version dependencies. | 15:03 |
| Jaffa | However, I agree with thp: if there needs to be a core change to make a * Switchboard work better, fine. But there's no *need* to ship it as part of the CSSU. Just like there's no need to ship fMMS. | 15:04 |
| Jaffa | Whereas portrait mode for HAM, hildon-desktop et al needs to be part of the CSSU. | 15:05 |
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| thp | MohammadAG: wouldn't the "desktop press feedback" effect not look better if the clutter timeline was restarted if another touch is registered before the timeline has finished? | 16:21 |
| thp | the effect is cool, but doing a double-tap or just touching twice quickly only plays the effect once (the first time) | 16:21 |
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| MohammadAG | thp, I tried to mod it, ended up with a 100x zoomed desktop :p | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | but yes, I agree | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | thp, I also think the desktop should stay downscaled till the pointer is raised | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | i.e listen to ButtonRelease as well as ButtonPress | 17:02 |
| thp | yep, and make the transitions lower (because then the "duration" depends on the press duration | 17:03 |
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| Sc0rpius | I'll check the message details later. I also happened to notice that "squished dialog" is also present when you try to select a destination folder when you move one | 18:26 |
| Sc0rpius | and I wonder if the tinymail that was pulled was the tinymail-3-2 branch and not the master since the master is old and haven't been updated in years | 18:26 |
| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: Probably the same issue (some common way that Modest opens its dialogues) | 18:26 |
| * Sc0rpius quickly checks that | 18:26 | |
| Sc0rpius | yeah I'm pretty sure is the same issue | 18:27 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah the branch we need for tinymail in CSSU is "tinymail-1-2" that's the newest and correspond to PR1.3 version 1.1.92 | 18:29 |
| Sc0rpius | the master branch is 1.0 | 18:29 |
| MohammadAG | yes, I need to fix that | 18:30 |
| Jaffa | So the CSSU branch isn't based on the PR1.3 version? | 18:31 |
| MohammadAG | no, I'll fix that now | 18:32 |
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| ivgalvez | Hi there this is the first time I join the IRC | 18:40 |
| ivgalvez | Hope not to bother anyone with nonsenses and whinning | 18:40 |
| MohammadAG | hi :) | 18:41 |
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| ivgalvez | In PR 1.3 there is a bug (feature?) regarding frequency is stuck at 500Mhz when the device is plugged to the wall | 18:47 |
| ivgalvez | It's fixed in Kernel Power, but as far as I see in the CSSU there is no changes in Kernel | 18:47 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, that's related to the kernel | 18:47 |
| ivgalvez | Are you planning to add the patch from kernel power? | 18:48 |
| MohammadAG | kernel-power has it fixed, I'm not sure if we should include a stock kernel update (though I see no reason not to) | 18:48 |
| MohammadAG | it's not a patch, it's just reversing one :) | 18:48 |
| ivgalvez | :D | 18:49 |
| ivgalvez | May the update to the kernel in CSSU cause a conflict with kernel power if installed? | 18:49 |
| ivgalvez | Can't figure it | 18:49 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, Jaffa fixed, tinymail-1-2 set as master | 18:50 |
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| Jaffa | ivgalvez: If anything, the CSSU might pull in kernel-power. However, there are some issues around that (and overclocking apps) which'd need to be addressed. | 18:56 |
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| Jaffa | ivgalvez: You are right in saying that if the CSSU contained a core kernel update it might cause problems. And I'm not sure why the community would maintain two separate kernesls | 18:56 |
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| MohammadAG | I considered changing kernel-power to kernel and replacing the stock kernel, however that would break dependencies :) | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | some app depends on kernel, expects -omap1, gets power46 | 18:57 |
| ivgalvez | In fact, kernel power brings up fixes and core new features like overclocking, usb host, and more. And that's the purpose of the CSSU | 18:58 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: doesn't debian have a way for a package to "provide" another package? | 18:58 |
| ivgalvez | To avoid breaking dependecies we could use a dummy transitional package | 18:58 |
| ivgalvez | that's how it's handled in Debian | 18:59 |
| BCMM | terminology might be different, but i mean a way for a drop-in replacement to satisfy dependencies | 18:59 |
| MohammadAG | BCMM, Provides: HAM ignores it | 18:59 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: oh, wow. | 18:59 |
| ivgalvez | New kernel package should be in fact the kernel power, and we could make a dummy package called kernel power to ensure dependencies | 19:00 |
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| MohammadAG | I'd expect fcam to break first | 19:01 |
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| MohammadAG | and since there's no dkms, I'm not sure how this would work :/ | 19:01 |
| ivgalvez | no dkms at all? That's bad | 19:02 |
| ivgalvez | The upgraded kernel package may be shouldn't be so dummy as it shoud unninstall the no more needed kernel from the system | 19:02 |
| MohammadAG | unfortunately, on a PC, you'd have kernels in /boot | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG | on the N900, kernels are flashed to /dev/mtd1 | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG | kernels aren't stored, only the current kernel exists | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG | but the modules of all other kernels are there | 19:03 |
| BCMM | so is mtd1 a separate block device just for loading the kernel from? | 19:04 |
| ivgalvez | I'm looking at it | 19:04 |
| ivgalvez | so the "unninstall kernel power" desktop shortcut is just for reflash the old kernel, isn't it? | 19:05 |
| Sc0rpius | I wouldn't include kernel-power in CSSU | 19:06 |
| ivgalvez | Why? | 19:07 |
| MohammadAG | oh f me | 19:07 |
| MohammadAG | /dev/mtd2, sorry! | 19:08 |
| MohammadAG | meh, my memory's not serving well, mtd3 :/ | 19:08 |
| ivgalvez | :D | 19:08 |
| MohammadAG | mtd1 is config partition, stores lock code and some important info, wiping it = instant brick | 19:08 |
| MohammadAG | it persists across reflashes, commonly called CAL | 19:09 |
| MohammadAG | /dev/mtd0 = bootloader, if it's wiped you can recover with cold flashing (tested it, works fine) | 19:09 |
| ivgalvez | nice lesson | 19:09 |
| MohammadAG | /dev/mtd2 = logs kernel OOPS and errors | 19:09 |
| MohammadAG | mtd3 kernel | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG | mtd4 initfs partition, the N900 has no initfs so this is an empty 2MB partition | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG | (or so we believe) | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG | mtd5 = rootfs, and that's it :P | 19:10 |
| ivgalvez | and I double your age :D | 19:10 |
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| ruskie | mmm initfs would be nice to populate with an emergency initfs... | 19:18 |
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| Jaffa | The other thing to be tackled about pulling in kernel-power in the CSSU is making sure that any of the apps in Extras which allow playing with the speeds give users a warning before exceeding 600MHz (cos a newbie used won't have made the explicit choice to install the overclockable kernel) | 20:36 |
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| PatrickM | Hello people | 21:07 |
| mirr0r | Hello PatrickM | 21:17 |
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| PatrickM | Hi mirr0r | 21:23 |
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| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, MR merged | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG | thanks :) | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, not sure if you noticed, but the New Message button has some top padding on all windows | 22:54 |
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