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| ollieparanoid[m] | hi | 00:36 |
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| ollieparanoid[m] | could you guys please allow tor IPs to access the maemo homepage? I'd greatly appreciate it | 00:37 |
| Wizzup | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6 | 00:37 |
| ollieparanoid[m] | (also someone told me, that the tls certificates are broken, and he can't even reach the site from chrome now) | 00:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, wtf? https://maemo.org kicks me to "login" | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and http://maemo.org seems to forward to https which makes my browser complain about cert | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for www.orderno.com though!!?!!!?!?!! | 00:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF honestly http://wstaw.org/m/2017/07/27/plasma-desktopyT8317.png | 00:49 |
| L29Ah | facilitate plz | 00:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | The offical word is Tor isn't blocked as such. It's just so happens that most Exit Node IP's are on the forum spam blacklist. | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | L29Ah: stfu if you got no better 'jokes' | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast^: this isn't Tor | 00:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | I was answering above Doc. | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah | 00:52 |
| L29Ah | it's not a joke | 00:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | "please allow tor IP's" | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah damn, no glasses. Tor IP, not for IP | 00:52 |
| MartijnBraam | Hmm yeah I can't seem to access maemo.org through RFC 2549 | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do you expect we look up rfc2549 now? | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: warfare ^^^ | 00:54 |
| ollieparanoid[m] | sixwheeledbeast^: thanks for your answer. could someone remove the blacklisted nodes then? because in my experience all exit nodes are blocked. at least for read only it would be super useful | 00:54 |
| MartijnBraam | DocScrutinizer05: I expect at least 50% of the people here to not have to look it up | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ollieparanoid[m]: that's a recurring topic and I'm with you but it seems the maintainers in charge feel it's impossible to allow read-only | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MartijnBraam: good luck with this then | 00:56 |
| ollieparanoid[m] | DocScrutinizer05: who are the maintainers in charge? | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | me? warfare? xes? | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I admit the latter two might know 2549 | 00:57 |
| ollieparanoid[m] | sorry that I didn't know you, I don't hang out much in the maemo forums, I just click on a link once a while, that leads me there, because you have some quite useful information | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, for Tor blacklist. I guess that's chem|st | 00:58 |
| ollieparanoid[m] | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, so is there anything I could do to change the situation? | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for yourself, see the message you get on talk.maemo.org which suggests to send an email | 00:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | It depends on what part of the site. | 00:58 |
| ollieparanoid[m] | (or @chem|st then) | 00:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | ~unbanip | 00:59 |
| infobot | well, unbanip is please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request, or see ~techstaff, or see https://www.stopforumspam.com/removal, or contact tmo maintainer chem|st in here | 00:59 |
| ollieparanoid[m] | DocScrutinizer05: it says: | 00:59 |
| ollieparanoid[m] | Sorry, it seems that you are using an IP address or a proxy that is listed in the forum anti spam blacklist. | 00:59 |
| ollieparanoid[m] | Feel free to contact our staff on irc freenode #maemo channel. | 00:59 |
| ollieparanoid[m] | so here I am :) | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, ping chem|st | 00:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | Well you are most likely to get a quick response from one of the ~150 people idling here. | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though aiui techstuff moved the 'wall' from tmo to maemo firewall | 01:01 |
| ollieparanoid[m] | it's fine, I'll be offline soon anyway. chem|st, would be nice if you could answer me about the (indirect) tor blockage issue | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: you around? | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: ping | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm way more worried about http://wstaw.org/m/2017/07/27/plasma-desktopyT8317.png | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf is orderno,com? | 01:03 |
| MartijnBraam | It hosts the big image on the homepage | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and what it got to do on maemo.org webpages | 01:03 |
| ollieparanoid[m] | maybe you guys could consider let's encrypt | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how would that help for third party URLs? | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | als we need a wildcard cert and LE offers those starting next year. Even then I'd go for a decent commercial cert any day | 01:05 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | This thread covers the Tor issue. If you can access it. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=97983 | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LE is a huge PITA | 01:06 |
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| L29Ah | what's wrong with LE except the inavailability of wildcard certs? | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | icing on top: update script auto update | 01:07 |
| L29Ah | get acme_tiny.py | 01:07 |
| L29Ah | it's cca 100sloc | 01:07 |
| L29Ah | the official client is insane, yeah | 01:07 |
| ollieparanoid[m] | DocScrutinizer05: well, I didn't want to kick off a discussion - use whatever suits you best. but a valid certificate would be nice. but for me the relevant part is the tor thing, I don't care that much if your cert is valid or not, as long as I can read the information | 01:08 |
| MartijnBraam | also LE doesn't have support for haproxy in their official client | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LE completely misses the point of authentication/trust, only dealing with encryption (as the name already implies) | 01:08 |
| MartijnBraam | but enough third party clients | 01:08 |
| ollieparanoid[m] | sixwheeledbeast^: thans for the link | 01:08 |
| L29Ah | x.509 trust model is inherently broken anyway | 01:08 |
| ollieparanoid[m] | *thanks | 01:08 |
| L29Ah | and everyone just checks DNS | 01:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | np | 01:08 |
| L29Ah | not only LE | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ollieparanoid[m]: *our* cert seems valid. There's a link to a third party with selfsigned cert on the webpage | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is a huge nogo | 01:09 |
| L29Ah | btw https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=647959 | 01:09 |
| povbot | Bug 647959: was not found. | 01:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | "Why don't you use XY?" - "because it's broken by concept" - "so what? the original thing also was almost broken, though not by concept. So you could as well use sth that is decently broken from beginning" SURE makes SO MUCH sense | 01:12 |
| L29Ah | what original thing? | 01:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | Doc I get www.maemo.org when I look at the cert here. Expires in 5 days. 1 Aug. | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | feels like "why don't you use whatsapp instead of old obsolete SMS? It's free" | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: here's something for council to take care of, urgently | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get a new 2 year wildcard cert | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | juiceme: ^^^ | 01:16 |
| L29Ah | le's certs are cron'able at least | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and don't waste everybody's time with "why don't we use LE instead? it is for free while a 2 year *-cert costs some 10 bucks per month" please | 01:17 |
| L29Ah | answer my questions please | 01:18 |
| L29Ah | although i see that you may be too busy facilitating things | 01:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | too busy trolling to stay in this channel when he can't continue with that | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the time wasted by discussions with LE proponents alone is worth 50 times the cost of a commercial wildcard cert, every month. On top recurring issues with the recurring failing cronjob to renew the LE crap, that cause constant workload for nothing on our admins | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for a 9 bucks per month? honestly now? | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | let alone you can't pin LE-certs since they are ephemeral by concept | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | donors donated funds exactly for this purpose to make life of our sysops more easy | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we don't need "donations" like "why don't you use LE?" | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not as if we never heard of it before and need L29Ah to make us aware of such option | 01:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast^: http://www.maemo.org -> http://wstaw.org/m/2017/07/28/plasma-desktopaI8317.png | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, c&p error - www.maemo.org | 02:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Konqueror doesn't implicitly redirect to https:// | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and aiui embedding content from foreign sites into a HTTPS page isn't good practice either, and probably will result in a warning in all modern browsers. Aside from that the link is 404 for me, regardless of the self-signed cert. | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe condolence period is about to expire anyway, though I lack knowledge of what's commonly considered appropriate | 02:49 |
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| freemangordon | parazyd: Wizzup: there is a VM on maemo infra ready for amprolla | 08:08 |
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| xes | 'morning ..once a month, full night spent in a bed :) DocScrutinizer05: I need some coffe before look into backlog | 08:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | np :-) | 08:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can sum up stuff for you: cert expires in 5 days. And on www.maemo.org the pjoto links to something with a self signed cert, maybe the whole website needs rollback eventually, I think it's been up long enough? | 08:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | via https I get redirected from www.maemo.org to login... And from login I get redirected to http | 08:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/website/frontpage/ | 08:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we should get a 2y wildcard cert | 08:56 |
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| freemangordon | xes: 'morning and thanks for the VM :) | 08:57 |
| freemangordon | xes: I'll be MIA for a week starting tomorrow, please help parazyd and/or Wizzup with giving them (or one of them) access | 08:58 |
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| xes | DocScrutinizer05: i think next week warfare will renew the certificates. The remaining sistuation seems ok with usual (even if weird) redirects | 10:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it doesn't seem right that a user that's not logged in gets redirected from https://maemo.org to login page | 11:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and https://maemo.org is quite a bit obsolete after 7 months, no? Also has http://wstaw.org/m/2017/07/28/plasma-desktopsR8317.png | 11:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm sorry I can't reproduce it now since there's no way to log out on maemo.org | 11:05 |
| KotCzarny | clear cookies or create new firefox profile | 11:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 11:08 |
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| sicelo | what's that simple pastebin? KotCzarny | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | depends, most of them have raw link option | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | but not all | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | pastebin.com has, but by default it's js infested | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | and ubuntu or debian pastebin is atrocious because it requires you to login for raw link | 12:25 |
| sicelo | never logged into debian pastebin .. are you sure? i don't even see a login link | 12:30 |
| KotCzarny | then it might be ubuntu's one | 12:30 |
| sicelo | anyway, there's one that i seem to remember you used to post a lot :-) | 12:30 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:31 |
| KotCzarny | in general as long you can paste raw link it's good | 12:31 |
| sicelo | can pastebin to it directly from comdline .. forgot it now | 12:31 |
| KotCzarny | ahm, you mean transfer.sh ? | 12:31 |
| sicelo | yes. thanks. that one! | 12:34 |
| KotCzarny | it's more for files than pastes | 12:34 |
| KotCzarny | if you want to paste text from cmdline you can use something like that: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/dpjy6/sprunge_a_commandline_pastebin/ | 12:34 |
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| sicelo | thanks KotCzarny | 12:41 |
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| ceene | well guys | 14:27 |
| ceene | today is friday! | 14:27 |
| ceene | :P | 14:27 |
| ceene | and we're going on vacation for the whole month | 14:27 |
| ceene | so i'll be totally offline | 14:27 |
| ceene | i'll some irssi here just so you don't miss me :D | 14:27 |
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| jonwil | hi | 14:47 |
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| sicelo | hi jonwil , sslayer | 14:56 |
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| saltywavelowlife | Hi, my n9 was stuck in a bootloop (rebooting after nokia logo) then i did a comprehensive flash, now it simply powers off after the logo, sometimes making it as far as the initial config screen | 17:31 |
| saltywavelowlife | tried a 'zeroize' flash as well with the same result, flasher reports >80% battery, any ideas? | 17:32 |
| KotCzarny | you will see more n9 owners on #harmattan | 17:33 |
| saltywavelowlife | sure, looked a little quiet (more than #maemo at least :) though so thought i'd try my luck here | 17:40 |
| bencoh | I'd look on TMO for similar reports | 17:45 |
| sicelo | Thinkpad T430 .. worth buying, or 3rd gen Intel Core not worth it? | 18:01 |
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| sicelo | [D | 18:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: cat foo | nc termbin.com 9999 | 20:17 |
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| sicelo | thanks DocScrutinizer05 :-) | 20:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | caveat: I have NO idea who's rinning this and what's the policy with the stuff you upload | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | running* | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://termbin.com/ | 20:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you might feed skynet's AI lessons ;-) Or have an occasional chat with a TLA | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but how's that different from arbitrary activities in the internet at large? | 20:57 |
| sicelo | i'd be using it for something that doesn't need any privacy at all :-) | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:~/Dokumente/Neo900/projbin/kicad-et-al/eeshow> as paste | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alias paste='nc termbin.com 9999' | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then there's also pastebinit script package but that frequently breaks and needs update | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:~/Dokumente/Neo900/projbin/kicad-et-al/eeshow> file `which pastebinit` | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/bin/pastebinit: Python script, ASCII text executable | 21:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | at least pythin, so simply wget a working version right into your $PATH (then CHECK it for rogue stuff before using it!) | 21:09 |
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| joga | oh neat... never heard of this one before but some qwerty smartphone in japan that runs win7 :) https://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/english/binary/pdf/support/trouble/manual/download/F-07C_E_All.pdf | 21:21 |
| joga | old too, heh | 21:21 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 reads NTT-Docomo and shudders | 21:24 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | notorious for NIH and their completely proprietary 'solutions' | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not like US carriers would be any better. Particularly recently | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | most of them don't invent own modulation mode like NTT does, but they nevertheless 'invent' new band*modulation/RAT combinations that no generic phone supports | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as a result some modern modem chipsets are 20 or even 30 Band, with more than 50% of those needed for US carriers only | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a 15 years ago, quad band guaranteed worldwide compatibility | 21:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not only a technical nightmare regarding filters for each band etc - also each single band needs its own set of tests in lab *and* field for approval, which multiplies the approval cost significantly | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | approval cost for an average LTE modem like e.g. ST-E thorium are already in the hundreds of man years | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and this, combined with the requirement that the aproved modem hw + radiostack-firmware conbo must not change after aproval are the reasons why there *never* will be a (legal to use) FOSS radio stack for any modem chipset | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | paradox situation: approval for a non-standard band by the carrier who operates that non-standard band is significantly cheaper since it's up to the carrier to define the approval requirements and finally grant approval | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so in markets like USA where carriers are not bound by authorities regarding what they do in the band they own, there's no economic incentive for the carrier to adhere to standards and offer interoperability for their customers' phones | 22:18 |
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