IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2017-07-27

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sicelore - random reboots on my N900 - traced it to cvm/phoneme (or a misbehaving j2me application) .. possibly thumb problems (but a wil guess)01:01
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siceloincidentally, i'd used cvm for months before on thumb with no problem whatsoever. however, recently when i reinstalled it and run a JAR file, within 5 minutes the device had restarted. since removing it permanently, no reboot for 3 days now01:02
sicelounfortunate, but at least mystery solved01:03
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DocScrutinizer05sicelo: how about a project for your term? populate 3rd blade in server03:32
DocScrutinizer05needed: CPU, RAM, drives03:33
DocScrutinizer05I hope the managed switch would still have a two spare ethernet jacks03:34
DocScrutinizer05afaik there should be sufficient funds in maemo eV's kitty03:35
Kabouik_May I hijack this channel to ask a question about a Jolla here? Hopefully some people in #maemo do have Jollas as well, and I have got no answer in #jollamobile in 4 hours, looks a bit dead there03:47
xesKabouik_: probably many guys here have a Jolla.. but i have no idea how many are available now..03:51
Kabouik_And I wonder how many would know how to get internet access from a Jolla C in recovery shell using Linux computer as a router. :P03:52
Kabouik_I've gone through all the steps to do that with a Jolla 1, and since the guide was considered valid on TJC, I guess it just works. But on Jolla C, I get no errors, but no connection either (
* Oksana has SeaMonkey nightly-too-buggy-to-open-clicked-links and link-recognition-capturing-brackets-into-the-link04:00
DocScrutinizer05 ||  e.g 4 to 8 pcs
DocScrutinizer05plus 2 drives server grade04:00
OksanaKabouik : which step is it?
Kabouik_Oksana, it's not in this guide. This one is just for getting to recovery mode, or backing up data.04:02
Kabouik_What I'm trying to do is using my computer as a route so that the Jolla in recovery mode gets internet access, and so I can use zypper in recovery mode04:03
Kabouik_This is the link I mentioned above, and I did everything as described, no issue, but no Internet access.04:03
Wizzupwe have like 20-40 spare servers at the uni that we want to throw out.04:08
DocScrutinizer05oops sorry, rather the 1V35 instead of 1V5:
OksanaJolla shows up as eth2 (or something) device, telnet works fine, recovery tool, then you go into shell, want to use zypper, zypper needs Internet...04:29
* Oksana was distracted, will read the page further04:29
OksanaKabouik_ : after you did route add default gw , can you ping ?04:33
Kabouik_No, pinging it is not allowed, I've tried04:33
Kabouik_And I can't devel-su from chroot to try with root rights04:33
OksanaOkay, can your computer ping your phone?04:34
OksanaHow is it that zypper runs and ping doesn't? Don't they both need root rights?04:35
Kabouik_Yes, it can04:35
Kabouik_I'm not sure, you don't really need to be root to use pkcon or zypper from Sailfish terminal I think04:35
OksanaOkay... What does route say?04:36
Kabouik_bash-3.2# route04:36
Kabouik_Kernel IP routing table04:36
Kabouik_Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface04:36
Kabouik_default         UG    0      0        0 rndis004:36
Kabouik_default         UG    0      0        0 rndis004:36
Kabouik_10.42.66.64     *      U     0      0        0 rndis004:36
Kabouik_192.168.2.0     *        U     0      0        0 rndis004:36
Kabouik_Woops, should have put it on hastebin, sorry04:36
OksanaI would have deleted everything except for
Kabouik_I'm not sure why I have 4 entries here. Pretty sure is something I tried after did not work, and I didn't know how to delete it04:37
OksanaFeel free to delete everything and then re-add the one you need04:38
Kabouik_I could delete default, but not sure how to delete and 1092.168.2.004:40
* Oksana hasn't wrestled with route in a while... Did have USB networking a few times, very similar, only N900 instead of Jolla04:40
Oksanatry 'route del' or 'route delete'04:40
Kabouik_Nope, it says SIOCDELRT: no such process04:41
DocScrutinizer05ugh again sorry, the 1V35 are 1600, we should get 1866 though and those are 1V5 only it seems. Anyway all just suggestions to get verified with an expert before ordering04:41
OksanaFeel free to run just 'route' again to see what it looks like04:42
Kabouik_The same as before just without the line04:42
OksanaAlso, run zypper or something to see if it works (since you now have one default gw instead of two?)04:42
Kabouik_Still no ping or zypper no :(04:43
DocScrutinizer05anyway you need 2 CPU 2600 v2, 4 or 8 240pin DDR3, idealy registered or buffered or even LRDDR3, and 2 drives SATA6 server grade04:43
OksanaOkay, then let's remove the other two lines04:43
Kabouik_But I can't find how, just route del throws this error. It worked for the other line because it was called 'default' I think04:44
OksanaUse -net04:45
Oksanaroute del -net
Oksana Since man is lacking04:45
Kabouik_Invalid argument :<04:45
OksanaDoes man route run on phone, by any chance?..04:48
DocScrutinizer05route --help maybe?04:49
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Kabouik_No man, but route --help yes. Unfortunately I can only see one mention of del (delete) but not how to delete these two lines that have IPs in the Destinatioin column of the route output04:50
Oksanasvetlana recommends asking ##linux about route del04:51
Kabouik_I'll try, thanks04:51
OksanaGood luck04:52
svetlanayou'd have to register your nick first, '/msg nickserv register PASS E@MAIL' and check your email, takes just a min04:52
OksanaOr login, if already registered with NickServ ;-)04:53
Oksana /msg NickServ Identify Nick Pass or something04:53
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Kabouik_route del -net gw netmask dev rndis0 <- this seems to have worked for deleting04:59
Kabouik_now I only have one line in route05:00
Kabouik_But still no ping on :(05:00
DocScrutinizer05to start with, ping an IP, e.g.
DocScrutinizer05please pastebin your route table05:01
Kabouik_I just typed pint I guess that's what I'd need now.05:01
Kabouik_A pint.05:01
Kabouik_bash-3.2# route05:02
Kabouik_Kernel IP routing table05:02
Kabouik_Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface05:02
Kabouik_default         UG    0      0        0 rndis005:02
Kabouik_Oh god sorry05:02
DocScrutinizer05that's all?05:03
Kabouik_I hastebined it but did not update the clipboard :P05:03
Kabouik_Yeah after cleaning the extra lines I got before05:03
DocScrutinizer05shit happens05:03
Kabouik_Ping returns permission denied, and I can't devel-su from recovery I think05:03
Kabouik_Or I don't know what is the default password at least.05:03
DocScrutinizer05no idea, sorrxy05:04
DocScrutinizer05your route lacks a network for gateway05:05
DocScrutinizer05compare arbitrary other unix system05:06
DocScrutinizer05Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface05:06
DocScrutinizer05default         UG    0      0        0 eth005:06
DocScrutinizer05172.31.1.0      *        U     0      0        0 eth005:06
Kabouik_The guide on TJC just says "route add default gw"05:06
DocScrutinizer05default         UG    0      0        0 eth005:09
DocScrutinizer05192.168.4.0     *        U     1      0        0 eth005:09
Kabouik_route -n returns that though:
DocScrutinizer05as I saud, missing one line05:10
Kabouik_Th probably one of these I guess?05:10
DocScrutinizer05yes, the third line is cruft, line 1 and 2 look correct05:11
Kabouik_Of course using the same command I used to delete, only with add instead of del, doesn't work. :P05:12
DocScrutinizer05cehck ifconfig for own IP (should be in network), and ping
Kabouik_You mean from the computer, or from the recovery shell of the Jolla?05:14
DocScrutinizer05from the device where you run that route command, I assume that's jolla, no?05:14
Kabouik_Yes. It's IP is, but I can't really ping anything from it (I can ping it from the computer though)05:15
DocScrutinizer05and the IP of the USB(?) NIC on your PC05:15
Kabouik_10.42.66.66 is the IP I used with telnet to reach the phone from the computer, and it's the phone rndis0 ip. is the corresponding network interface of the computer05:16
DocScrutinizer05you can ping it from PC. Fine. Can you ssh in to device?05:16
DocScrutinizer05or telnet05:16
Kabouik_I am in telnet05:16
DocScrutinizer05so your connection to PC is already established05:16
Kabouik_ssh, I doubt it, it's bricked and only on through the recovery shell05:17
DocScrutinizer05your problem is most likely forwarding on PC then05:17
Kabouik_But the phone can't access the internet using the computer as router, and I need it to check package issues with zypper05:17
DocScrutinizer05aka the PC doesn't work as router05:17
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Kabouik_(I haven't added that missing line in route though, couldn't figure out how to do so yet)05:18
OksanaWhat does iptables on computer say?05:18
Kabouik_I've ran sudo sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 and sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE, on the computer05:18
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, that's prolly the right thing to do05:19
Kabouik_iptables needs a command. -L for list?05:19
Kabouik_An argument I meant05:19
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DocScrutinizer05so which commands creating traffic do you have?05:19
Kabouik_Well then it's empty yes05:19
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* Oksana thinks that 'iptables -L' should not be empty after 'iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE'05:20
Kabouik_So maybe I should investigate on the irc channel for my distro05:21
DocScrutinizer05that's not distro specific05:21
OksanaAlso, does your computer use eth0 or wlan0 for Internet, and does it matter for iptables?..05:22
Kabouik_But I would have fewer remorse asking them :P05:22
Kabouik_wlan0, I'm on a laptop at the moment05:22
OksanaBy the way, looks exactly like values on my N900, and it is not set up as a router05:22
DocScrutinizer05first of all make sure that plugging in the phone doesn't drop your PC's regular internet connection. Network Manager is notorious for doing that sort of shit05:23
Kabouik_I'm talking to you using that computer, internet access is still here05:24
OksanaWell, Kabouik's computer seems to have good Internet all the while Jolla is plugged in, right?..05:24
DocScrutinizer05please do iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE05:24
OksanaOn computer ^05:25
DocScrutinizer05please do iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE even, I'd guess05:25
* Oksana suggests replacing eth0 with wlan0 , but that's first time I see iptables05:25
DocScrutinizer05...not sysctl05:25
Kabouik_Done, but iptables -L still empty05:25
DocScrutinizer05that's very odd05:26
L29Ahdamn rawcam doesn't want to take photos of bright objects05:26
Kabouik_I tried with wlan0 even before coming here actually, did not work (but I did not check iptables -L)05:26
L29Ahi guess it's time05:26
L29Ahwhere do i get a known good firmware for n900?05:26
DocScrutinizer05and iptables doesn't throw error?05:26
Kabouik_Just silent05:26
Kabouik_Let's see if there is a -v argument for iptables05:27
Kabouik_MASQUERADE  all opt -- in * out wlan0  ->
Kabouik_This is what I get.05:27
* DocScrutinizer05 blames systemd ;-P05:27
DocScrutinizer05please pastebin full ifconfig on your PC05:28
Kabouik_Oh yeah maybe I should try with wlp2s0?05:29
DocScrutinizer05s/wlan0/wlp2s0/ to start with05:29
DocScrutinizer05iptables sucks big time, not throwing error on wrong IF05:31
Kabouik_I still get the same verbose with wlp2s0 in the iptables command05:31
Kabouik_And empty iptables -L05:31
Kabouik_By the way, am I messing with the computer here? Will everything reset to original state after reboot or?05:32
DocScrutinizer05Oh, I notice I missed the "sudo iptables" in your quote above, only seen the "sysctl"05:33
DocScrutinizer05except sysctl maybe05:33
Kabouik_Ok, but sysctl will be easy to revert05:34
DocScrutinizer05please check a "HowTo share internet access" for your distro05:34
Kabouik_Couldn't find one when I tried DocScrutinizer05, but I may ask on the irc channel tomorrow, they are fairly active05:35
DocScrutinizer05*I* had to stop network manager to make internet sharing work05:35
Kabouik_Let's try05:36
infobotmethinks usb-networking is, or, or, or
Kabouik_Now before going to bed I'd like at least to readd that missing line in the route of the Jolla05:37
DocScrutinizer05that missing line *might* get added automatically05:38
DocScrutinizer05the problem is when you tear down the default route, your telnet access will break anyway05:39
Kabouik_I still have telnet access here05:39
Kabouik_But I will exit and reboot into recovery again, to see if the line is back05:39
DocScrutinizer05hmm, right, inbound05:39
Kabouik_reboot is a big word since the phone is unbootable :P05:39
DocScrutinizer05yep, good plan05:40
DocScrutinizer05it boots, juist not to the regular system05:40
Kabouik_Well now it tells me that /proc/net/route: not such file or directoryINET (IPV4) not configured in this system. :D05:41
DocScrutinizer05basically your problem is probably around DNS IP for the device, since you don't run a DHCP server on your PC to tell the device which DNS to use05:41
DocScrutinizer05so start with using IPs instead URLs05:42
DocScrutinizer05or add a default DNS like
Kabouik_I did that DocScrutinizer05, it's in the guide I'm trying to use05:44
DocScrutinizer05try connecting from device to IP of your PC. If that works, the rest is just about default route and your PC config. And DNS05:44
Kabouik_I don't get why now route throws this /proc/net/route error. I had it before, and then it finally returned the route I detailed to you before, and now it's back to the error05:46
Kabouik_I have no idea what I have done to get rid of that error earlier05:46
DocScrutinizer05which error?05:48
Kabouik_<Kabouik_> Well now it tells me that /proc/net/route: not such file or directoryINET (IPV4) not configured in this system. :D05:48
DocScrutinizer05on which command?05:49
Kabouik_route or route -n05:49
Kabouik_From the telnet shell05:49
DocScrutinizer05did you do chroot?05:49
DocScrutinizer05you prolly must not be in a chroot05:50
Kabouik_I had this before actually, but then when we discussed it here it finally was working without anything special that I remember05:50
DocScrutinizer05unless the chroot also bindmounted the true /proc to the chroot dir05:50
Kabouik_I am, just did chroot /mnt/rootfs05:51
Kabouik_Oh right! THat's what I did earlier! I mounted /proc05:51
Kabouik_So yeah, now that it's mounted, route is back05:51
Kabouik_And the missing line is back as well (and too by the way, weird)05:52
DocScrutinizer05you can't mount /proc, that's bogus in a chroot. You need to bindmount it into your chroot-dir/proc *before* you chroot into that dir05:52
Kabouik_Does that apply to any device? I could just 'mount /proc' from the chroot here and it did solve the route output issue05:53
DocScrutinizer05yes, that's basic chroot 101, unless there's sth *very* special about sailfish05:54
Kabouik_So basically I should exit chroot, mkdir chrootdir/proc, mount /proc chrootdir/proc, and then chroot?05:54
DocScrutinizer05the whole purpose of a chroot is to hide true /proc and /sys etc from the chroot user05:54
DocScrutinizer05mount -o bind05:55
Kabouik_Well actually it seems that I don't even need to chroot with the Jolla C05:55
Kabouik_Straight in the shell, without doing anything, I can run route and see the output05:55
DocScrutinizer05but you can't install stuff to your sailfish rootfs with zypper that way05:56
Kabouik_Maybe I should try to use the guide WITHOUT the chroot bits? The guide was made for the Jolla 1, in which rootfs is not already mounted, while it seems to be the case for the Jolla C05:56
DocScrutinizer05actually if your rescueos has zypper, you can try it in there without chroot, and when it works, you bindmount proc into /mnt/rootfs/proc and do chroot /mnt/rootfs, then you can run zypper against sailfish rootfs05:57
DocScrutinizer05I don't know about rootfs already mounted in kolla C05:58
Kabouik_Trying to see if I can get internet sharing without chrooting also05:58
Kabouik_<coderus> Kabouik_: in recovery you have /rootfs already mounted. jolla c is using lvm, so there is /dev/sailfish subvolumes05:59
Kabouik_<coderus> you should already have /rootfs mounted05:59
DocScrutinizer05still, no /proc in /dev/sailfish, right?06:00
DocScrutinizer05at least none that has meaningful working content06:00
Kabouik_But the thing is, iptables -L is still empty on the computer. So the Jolla C in recovery might be a little more flexible without chroot (at least I can ping the computer without permission issue), but still no internet06:00
DocScrutinizer05please check a "HowTo share internet access" for your distro06:01
Kabouik_I see only two files in /dev/sailfish, home and root (and they are files, not dirs)06:01
Kabouik_I did DocScrutinizer05 but there is none, I'll have to ask on a forum/irc channel tomorrow06:02
Kabouik_Solus is not so widespread, documentation online is not always there06:02
DocScrutinizer05I guess I don't have more knowledge or ideas to share06:02
Kabouik_Thanks anyway for your valuable help DocScrutinizer0506:03
Kabouik_It's 5 am here, I will continue tomorrow I guess06:03
DocScrutinizer05hah, here too06:03
Kabouik_In the meantime I've turned on my Jolla 1, I really like how it handles with this form factor (smaller than Jolla C), too bad Aliendalvik is too old to run an application I need every day to do payments in the country where I live.06:04
Kabouik_And I don't have my N900 here. :<06:04
Kabouik_The worst is even if I get zypper with internet access, it might still not be enough to fix my phone without a factory reset :P06:06
Kabouik_I wish there was a way to just reinstall all applications at once after a reset, and possibly put them back in their original folders with a backuped /home.06:08
Kabouik_I was already thinking that when using my N900 everyday and after bricking it a couple times.06:09
Kabouik_Alright, off to bed, thank you again Oksana and DocScrutinizer05 and sorry I have lost some of your time. Good to see that #maemo is more active than #jollamobile though :P06:11
DocScrutinizer05"just reinstall all applications at once after a reset, and possibly put them back in their original folders" is *exactly* what the maemo5 system backup does06:14
DocScrutinizer05it backups the list of apps as seen in HAM "installed apps" aka "uninstall"-tab and re-installes them from repos on restore06:16
DocScrutinizer05it also saves the config data for those apps, as long as the app package has made the system aware of those06:16
Kabouik_Yeah I seem to remember using that at least once06:18
Kabouik_And then there was BackupMenu too, that made the N900 just so easy to restore to its previous state, hassle-free06:19
Kabouik_Not a single thing to reconfigure after resetting except the multiboot itself!06:19
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NeKitWizzup, where do you plan to start for Droid 4?06:31
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WizzupNeKit: follow sre's blog and instructions09:57
Wizzupso, root android, format sd card, mount,kexec devuan09:57
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kalinHi all19:35
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hubeanjust a quick question, is there any documentation on installing linux as the only operating system on a n810?21:37
DocScrutinizer05err, N810 has linux as only operating system21:38
WizzupI think the question was about a non-ancient os21:39
hubeanyeah as Wizzup, an updated debian/ubuntu/whatever linux os with no X server would be sweet21:41
hubeanhas this been done before?21:43
hubeanid like this device to run as lightweight as possible, i dont really use the graphical interface that much and i believe thats a huge resource hog21:46
Wizzupon the n900 for sure, idk about 81021:49
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kalinguys, what is the best browser for N90022:55
kalinsomething with html5 support and video player22:56
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kalinmpv is forked mplayer22:58
L29Ahand it uses youtube-dl to butcher web pages for videos, and plays it faster than firefox or its forks23:00
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sixwheeledbeast^There isn't really a perfect browser at the moment unfortunately IMO. I use a combination of Stock MicroB, QML Browser and Opera.23:03
* Maxdamantus primarily uses Opera Mobile.23:05
kalini use MicroB, but it use old firefox3.5 engine23:06
kalinand many sites didn't work correct23:07
DocScrutinizer05there can't be a perfect browser for the totally borked internet23:09
kalinDebian 7 for arm has newer Firefox ESR23:10
DocScrutinizer05heck, even on a PC with i5 and 8GB RAM, really all browsers suck one way or another. Not their fault though, fault of idiots that think HTML was a vehicle to implement services23:11
kalini know23:11
kalingoogle suck CPU time23:12
kalineven when a did nothing23:13
kalinand not only google23:13
kalinbut my point is23:14
kalinwhen debian for arm has firefox 38++ why we not have firefox or maybe tweaked MicroB with new firefox engine?23:15
L29Ahbecause no one does anything for maemo23:16
kalinis it so hard to port debian apps to maemo23:21
kalinwe talk about to same arm architecture23:21
kalinnot between arm and x8623:22
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sixwheeledbeast^It's not that simple. Look at Alopex and other projects that have tried to bring a better browsing experience to Maemo. MicroB also has closed components I believe23:53
Wizzupkalin: do it23:54
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sixwheeledbeast^I'm not wanting to put anyone off trying BTW. I'd love a better browser.23:57

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