IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2016-12-15

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_maniac_I know this is futile, but tell me, is there a way to discover phone location (maemo, n900, no smscon, no vpn autoconnect, only gmail auto checking) if it was stolen?04:23
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DocScrutinizer05pkill9: there's never been such a thing like >>dead vibration motor in the N900<<05:41
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mueddibhm, pkill -9 braek my command :)05:43
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DocScrutinizer05saturn:~ # du -sh /home/jr/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/11:36
DocScrutinizer051.2G    /home/jr/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/11:36
* DocScrutinizer05 headdesks11:36
buZz'dont use sqlite, we use mysql' 'mysql will corrupt your data' 'maybe postgres is better' '¯\_(ツ)_/'11:40
buZzthanks, KDE11:40
ilewAny shell gurus here able to remove the need for temp files in this script?
KotCzarnyhe he he11:41
buZzand then not grab from https:// :)11:41
ilewKotCzarny: Haha that was already in cssu-state.11:41
KotCzarnyilew: just mount /tmp as tmpfs11:42
KotCzarnyand dont worry?11:42
ilewWell I won't be the only person running this I am guessing. The temp file is just used to source the variables from the subshells.11:43
bencohilew: foo=$(cmd)11:43
bencohdunno if you really want that for large outputs though11:43
ilewbencoh that could work. Can't be any worse than what I'm getting it to do now.11:47
bencohif it cant go wrong, it will ;)11:48
ilewThough foo=$(cmd); $(foo); does sound like madness to me.11:48
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ilewThanks all. I'll read the chatlogs, so let me know if you think up any more ideas. See ya.11:49
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buZzi wonder, is 'removing play from hinge' on N810 a thing?11:59
buZzmine wiggles a bit, and i think its making a poor connection11:59
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Maxdamantus`. <(echo "$foo")` seems a bit nicer to me.12:11
Maxdamantuswell, if you've already got the command that produces foo you don't need that.12:12
Maxdamantus. <(cmd)12:12
Maxdamantus. <(exec 3>&1 >&2; ...)12:19
Maxdamantuswhere ... is the big bunch of while loops etc, and they should write to &3 instead of the temporary file.12:20
Maxdamantusthough it means standard output is redirected to standard error.12:21
Maxdamantusyou could work around it with some more redirections12:21
Maxdamantusmaybe this: . <(exec 3>&1 >&4; ...) 4>&112:22
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Maxdamantuseh, not quite that; the last redirection has to happen in another subshell.12:24
Maxdamantusbut maybe this: exec 4>&1; . <(exec 3>&1 >&4; ...); exec 4>&-12:26
bencohthis is bash-specific, btw12:26
bencoh( <() and >() )12:26
bencoh(well not POSIX afaict, at least)12:27
Maxdamantuswell, the paste seems to mention bash.12:27
Maxdamantusand yes, it's not POSIX.12:27
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pkill9DocScrutinizer05: what could be te issue? whent he vibrate function is activated it makes a quiet high pitched noise and doesn't vibrate13:37
DocScrutinizer05blocked by debris13:37
bencohI have the same issue once upon a time13:37
bencohthen I just hit it a bit13:37
bencohs/once upon a time/from time to time/13:37
bencohit's a mechanical issue afaict13:38
DocScrutinizer05clean it13:38
bencoh(sadly :( )13:38
bencohthat would mean opening it13:38
bencohwhich I dont quite want to do13:38
pkill9sadly i think it may have beena result of me opening it13:38
pkill9i think it occured after i opened it up13:38
bencohnot with a spare at least13:38
bencoh(hmpf brain)13:39
pkill9it's actually very nicely designed for opening up13:39
bencohwe even have service manuals, I know13:39
pkill9my main concern is stripping screws13:39
DocScrutinizer05buZz: nope13:39
bencohand not breaking stuff13:39
DocScrutinizer05buZz: "hinge" wiggle unrelated to any contacts13:40
buZzaw ok13:40
DocScrutinizer05you're talking bout the slide?13:40
pkill9i should just get some spare screws, i don't know much about the specifications of screws though13:40
buZzi was googling around for people that did re'tighten' the hinge on n810 , but couldnt find anyone13:40
DocScrutinizer05normal, at least for me13:40
buZzcouldnt even find someone that posted a 'teardown' video :P13:41
DocScrutinizer05it's two plastic slots sliding along two steel rails13:41
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DocScrutinizer05and I can rotate the display a 2 or 3 degrees against kbd now13:42
DocScrutinizer05IOW hold one side while slightly sliding up/down the other13:43
DocScrutinizer05obviously the plastic slots are not that tight anymore13:43
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DocScrutinizer05I disassembled the ting to place a screen protector *under* the frame directly on top of display. But that's been maybe 8 years ago13:45
DocScrutinizer05or 713:45
buZzah well, i'll dismantle and check it out13:45
buZzi suspect some play could get removed13:45
DocScrutinizer05there's a service maual for sure13:46
buZzit seems i only have play on the right side, and not the left13:46
buZzahh, i'll go find that then13:46
DocScrutinizer05here you are13:47
buZz16 pages :P13:47
buZzah sweet, those last pages are ideal13:49
DocScrutinizer05you see the slide mech - it's exactly same as with N90013:49
buZzhmhm, i'll be getting a n900 soon :D13:50
buZzmy first one13:50
buZzthen just need the N9 and -maybe- the n95013:50
buZzand i'll have all the maemos13:51
DocScrutinizer05the half height mounting bracketwith the 4 screw bolts is folded around a steel rail sheet on display like (__) and holds two plastic bearings13:51
DocScrutinizer05good luck with N950 ;-)13:51
KotCzarnyweren't you saying that you are getting n900 all the time?13:51
buZzyeah i dont have high hopes13:51
KotCzarnyor was it someone else13:51
buZzKotCzarny: not me13:51
buZzi dont really like stuff with cell radios13:52
KotCzarnywhat will you do with it?13:52
buZzbut ah, well, i love collecting :P13:52
buZznothing really13:52
buZzalthough i might join Wizzup's efforts13:52
Wizzupwhich one?13:52
buZz(to get maemo's tools ported to modern devuan)13:52
buZzoh, n900 is armv7 ?13:55
DocScrutinizer05  you see the black plastic13:55
buZza bit ..13:56
DocScrutinizer05prolly teflon or nylon13:57
KotCzarnyjust got an interesting email from yahoo:
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bencohbuZz: targeting pyra? ;)14:39
buZzwell, i wouldnt be happy with systemd on pyra, no14:40
bencohno I mean, devuan-maemo on pyra14:40
buZzoh, maybe14:40
buZzi dont consider cellradios to be interesting or ment for human usage14:40
buZzso not sure what you expect from it ;)14:40
bencohoh, really? how comes?14:40
buZzphones are ment to have wires, and stuck on a desk14:41
buZzi dont see a reason to pay for a service so other people could harrass me14:41
bencohhuhu I see :)14:42
buZzor basically, i realized i was happier and less stressed -before- i owned a cellphone14:42
KotCzarnygot spam?14:42
bencohbuZz: well I can always (and do often) ignore it14:42
bencohafter some time you even dont pay attention to that fact14:42
bencohand you can always argue that you were working/jogging/reading/under the shower/ if people start "how comes you dont answer at the phone?"14:43
buZzbencoh: you ignore the services you pay for?14:43
buZzthen why are you paying for it14:43
bencohbeing able to use it when I see fit14:43
bencohcalling people, data on the go14:43
KotCzarnyit's handy *sometimes*14:43
bencohanswering once in a while too14:44
buZzi have a voicemail service14:44
buZzeverybody can call it 24/714:44
bencohactually I no longer have a landline since I moved out of my parents' so ...14:44
buZzand i get a .wav in my email14:44
KotCzarnyin todays world we only need internet access14:44
buZz0 use for more14:44
KotCzarnyall other services could use it for carrier14:45
bencohbuZz: well sometimes people (and I too) are willing for a realtime conversation14:45
buZzbencoh: they can unlazy and just take a bus14:45
buZzor bicycle14:45
buZz'instant gratification' isnt a desirable trait14:46
bencohKotCzarny: using data (best effort) for voice services is at best a waste, at worse a bad idea / no-go14:46
bencohbuZz: :)14:47
KotCzarnybencoh, depends, but remember, most intercontinental voice is done via data anyway14:47
KotCzarnyand i bet phone companies moved to data backed voice long time ago14:47
bencohdepends on which part of the circuit you're talking about14:48
KotCzarnyall it needs is guaranteed bandwidth (for emergency calls) and some proper sheduler to allow all users' access14:48
KotCzarnyin my country most companied do landlines by voip already14:49
bencohKotCzarny: I'm mostly talking about the phone<->infra part :)14:53
KotCzarnyanyway, information exchange is essential for humans14:54
bencohthe rest is already not-so-relevant indeed since pretty much everyone switched to packet-oriented (vs circuit-oriented) infras14:54
KotCzarnywired telephony was first long distance voice transmission14:54
KotCzarnynow we live in digital age, where every information can be transmitted digitally14:55
ShadowJKexcept smells15:15
KotCzarnyearly experiments confirmed, we dont want smells15:16
ShadowJKIt would be so useful though15:16
ShadowJKthe technology15:16
KotCzarny'my home smells like cat butt. oh, your computer might be virused'15:17
WizzupbuZz: re: phones, I do own a mobile and I mostly don't get disturbes, but I am happy that I can disturb friends and family when it is convenient for me15:17
WizzupWhere you being called by work or something?15:17
ShadowJKSince it would mean having to develop a realtime and accurate analyzer, and through mass production the costs would come down.. with the availability of large datasets of smells you could do things like detect skin cancers from the smell of skin, for example15:17
KotCzarnyit's enough with boomboxes, you want kids on the train watch dirty youtubes?15:18
ShadowJKand on the other hand, a device capable of synthesizing different smells would be able to synthesize many other things too, not quite like replicators in star trek but in that direction15:18
KotCzarnythere are possibilities. but negatives are much bigger15:19
KotCzarnyie. toxins15:19
KotCzarnyremote killing? sure, we have keys for his 'puter15:19
ShadowJKEvery technology can be used for good and evil15:19
ShadowJKJust like jpeg and goatse15:20
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KotCzarnywhat is good for goatse technology?15:23
ShadowJKExample of evil use of jpeg15:24
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Vajbis good part of goatse jpeg deep glimpse in to human anatomy?20:29
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Vajbpkill9: just picked the part of old conversation. This channel is always so sophisticated. So i wanted to bring some good old irc feeling to it20:45
CatButtsa stretch of the past20:45
CatButtstalking bout that goatsi feeling20:45
* CatButts sings20:45
Vajbmaybe i reached too deep?20:46
KotCzarnyor from the wrong side20:47
Vajbshall i turn my other cheek?20:47
KotCzarnylove your peers20:47
Vajbu totally lost me there20:57
Vajblove and peers20:57
Vajbor did u mean beers?20:58
CatButtsdefinitely beers20:58
Vajbmakes perfect sense then20:59
KotCzarnydoes 'peer review' rings your bell?21:07
Vajbnot at all, but i know the direction of poor reviews in corporation structure21:11
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