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| _maniac_ | I know this is futile, but tell me, is there a way to discover phone location (maemo, n900, no smscon, no vpn autoconnect, only gmail auto checking) if it was stolen? | 04:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | pkill9: there's never been such a thing like >>dead vibration motor in the N900<< | 05:41 |
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| mueddib | hm, pkill -9 braek my command :) | 05:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | https://blogs.kde.org/2011/11/13/akonadi-misconception-1-where-my-data | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | saturn:~ # du -sh /home/jr/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/ | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 1.2G /home/jr/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/ | 11:36 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 headdesks | 11:36 | |
| buZz | lol | 11:39 |
| buZz | 'dont use sqlite, we use mysql' 'mysql will corrupt your data' 'maybe postgres is better' '¯\_(ツ)_/' | 11:40 |
| buZz | thanks, KDE | 11:40 |
| ilew | Any shell gurus here able to remove the need for temp files in this script? http://pastebin.com/wbKp7Qrs | 11:40 |
| KotCzarny | --no-check-certificate | 11:41 |
| KotCzarny | he he he | 11:41 |
| buZz | and then not grab from https:// :) | 11:41 |
| ilew | KotCzarny: Haha that was already in cssu-state. | 11:41 |
| KotCzarny | ilew: just mount /tmp as tmpfs | 11:42 |
| KotCzarny | and dont worry? | 11:42 |
| ilew | Well I won't be the only person running this I am guessing. The temp file is just used to source the variables from the subshells. | 11:43 |
| bencoh | ilew: foo=$(cmd) | 11:43 |
| bencoh | dunno if you really want that for large outputs though | 11:43 |
| ilew | bencoh that could work. Can't be any worse than what I'm getting it to do now. | 11:47 |
| bencoh | if it cant go wrong, it will ;) | 11:48 |
| ilew | Though foo=$(cmd); $(foo); does sound like madness to me. | 11:48 |
| bencoh | :D | 11:48 |
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| ilew | Thanks all. I'll read the chatlogs, so let me know if you think up any more ideas. See ya. | 11:49 |
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| buZz | \o | 11:59 |
| buZz | i wonder, is 'removing play from hinge' on N810 a thing? | 11:59 |
| buZz | mine wiggles a bit, and i think its making a poor connection | 11:59 |
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| Maxdamantus | `. <(echo "$foo")` seems a bit nicer to me. | 12:11 |
| Maxdamantus | well, if you've already got the command that produces foo you don't need that. | 12:12 |
| Maxdamantus | . <(cmd) | 12:12 |
| Maxdamantus | . <(exec 3>&1 >&2; ...) | 12:19 |
| Maxdamantus | where ... is the big bunch of while loops etc, and they should write to &3 instead of the temporary file. | 12:20 |
| Maxdamantus | though it means standard output is redirected to standard error. | 12:21 |
| Maxdamantus | you could work around it with some more redirections | 12:21 |
| Maxdamantus | maybe this: . <(exec 3>&1 >&4; ...) 4>&1 | 12:22 |
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| Maxdamantus | eh, not quite that; the last redirection has to happen in another subshell. | 12:24 |
| Maxdamantus | but maybe this: exec 4>&1; . <(exec 3>&1 >&4; ...); exec 4>&- | 12:26 |
| bencoh | this is bash-specific, btw | 12:26 |
| bencoh | ( <() and >() ) | 12:26 |
| bencoh | (well not POSIX afaict, at least) | 12:27 |
| Maxdamantus | well, the paste seems to mention bash. | 12:27 |
| Maxdamantus | and yes, it's not POSIX. | 12:27 |
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| pkill9 | DocScrutinizer05: what could be te issue? whent he vibrate function is activated it makes a quiet high pitched noise and doesn't vibrate | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | blocked by debris | 13:37 |
| bencoh | I have the same issue once upon a time | 13:37 |
| bencoh | then I just hit it a bit | 13:37 |
| pkill9 | lol | 13:37 |
| bencoh | s/once upon a time/from time to time/ | 13:37 |
| bencoh | it's a mechanical issue afaict | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | clean it | 13:38 |
| bencoh | (sadly :( ) | 13:38 |
| bencoh | that would mean opening it | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 13:38 |
| bencoh | which I dont quite want to do | 13:38 |
| pkill9 | sadly i think it may have beena result of me opening it | 13:38 |
| pkill9 | i think it occured after i opened it up | 13:38 |
| bencoh | not with a spare at least | 13:38 |
| bencoh | without* | 13:38 |
| bencoh | (hmpf brain) | 13:39 |
| pkill9 | it's actually very nicely designed for opening up | 13:39 |
| bencoh | yeah | 13:39 |
| bencoh | we even have service manuals, I know | 13:39 |
| pkill9 | my main concern is stripping screws | 13:39 |
| bencoh | exactly | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | buZz: nope | 13:39 |
| bencoh | and not breaking stuff | 13:39 |
| buZz | nope? | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | buZz: "hinge" wiggle unrelated to any contacts | 13:40 |
| buZz | aw ok | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're talking bout the slide? | 13:40 |
| pkill9 | i should just get some spare screws, i don't know much about the specifications of screws though | 13:40 |
| buZz | i was googling around for people that did re'tighten' the hinge on n810 , but couldnt find anyone | 13:40 |
| buZz | yeah | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | normal, at least for me | 13:40 |
| buZz | couldnt even find someone that posted a 'teardown' video :P | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ummm | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's two plastic slots sliding along two steel rails | 13:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and I can rotate the display a 2 or 3 degrees against kbd now | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IOW hold one side while slightly sliding up/down the other | 13:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously the plastic slots are not that tight anymore | 13:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I disassembled the ting to place a screen protector *under* the frame directly on top of display. But that's been maybe 8 years ago | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or 7 | 13:45 |
| buZz | hmhm | 13:45 |
| buZz | ah well, i'll dismantle and check it out | 13:45 |
| buZz | i suspect some play could get removed | 13:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a service maual for sure | 13:46 |
| buZz | it seems i only have play on the right side, and not the left | 13:46 |
| buZz | ahh, i'll go find that then | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.manualslib.com/manual/844262/Nokia-N810-Rx-44.html | 13:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | here you are | 13:47 |
| buZz | sweet | 13:47 |
| buZz | 16 pages :P | 13:47 |
| buZz | ah sweet, those last pages are ideal | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.manualslib.com/manual/844262/Nokia-N810-Rx-44.html?page=13#manual | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you see the slide mech - it's exactly same as with N900 | 13:49 |
| buZz | cool | 13:50 |
| buZz | hmhm, i'll be getting a n900 soon :D | 13:50 |
| buZz | my first one | 13:50 |
| buZz | then just need the N9 and -maybe- the n950 | 13:50 |
| buZz | and i'll have all the maemos | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the half height mounting bracketwith the 4 screw bolts is folded around a steel rail sheet on display like (__) and holds two plastic bearings | 13:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good luck with N950 ;-) | 13:51 |
| buZz | :P | 13:51 |
| KotCzarny | weren't you saying that you are getting n900 all the time? | 13:51 |
| buZz | yeah i dont have high hopes | 13:51 |
| KotCzarny | or was it someone else | 13:51 |
| buZz | KotCzarny: not me | 13:51 |
| buZz | i dont really like stuff with cell radios | 13:52 |
| KotCzarny | what will you do with it? | 13:52 |
| buZz | but ah, well, i love collecting :P | 13:52 |
| buZz | nothing really | 13:52 |
| buZz | although i might join Wizzup's efforts | 13:52 |
| Wizzup | which one? | 13:52 |
| buZz | (to get maemo's tools ported to modern devuan) | 13:52 |
| Wizzup | awesome | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/12/15/plasma-desktopW17764.png | 13:54 |
| buZz | oh, n900 is armv7 ? | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2016/12/15/plasma-desktopm17764.png you see the black plastic | 13:55 |
| buZz | a bit .. | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly teflon or nylon | 13:57 |
| KotCzarny | just got an interesting email from yahoo: http://pastebin.com/raw/bdmCT6Xt | 14:21 |
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| bencoh | buZz: targeting pyra? ;) | 14:39 |
| buZz | well, i wouldnt be happy with systemd on pyra, no | 14:40 |
| bencoh | no I mean, devuan-maemo on pyra | 14:40 |
| buZz | oh, maybe | 14:40 |
| buZz | i dont consider cellradios to be interesting or ment for human usage | 14:40 |
| buZz | so not sure what you expect from it ;) | 14:40 |
| bencoh | oh, really? how comes? | 14:40 |
| buZz | phones are ment to have wires, and stuck on a desk | 14:41 |
| buZz | i dont see a reason to pay for a service so other people could harrass me | 14:41 |
| bencoh | huhu I see :) | 14:42 |
| buZz | or basically, i realized i was happier and less stressed -before- i owned a cellphone | 14:42 |
| KotCzarny | got spam? | 14:42 |
| bencoh | buZz: well I can always (and do often) ignore it | 14:42 |
| bencoh | after some time you even dont pay attention to that fact | 14:42 |
| bencoh | and you can always argue that you were working/jogging/reading/under the shower/ if people start "how comes you dont answer at the phone?" | 14:43 |
| buZz | bencoh: you ignore the services you pay for? | 14:43 |
| buZz | then why are you paying for it | 14:43 |
| bencoh | being able to use it when I see fit | 14:43 |
| bencoh | calling people, data on the go | 14:43 |
| KotCzarny | it's handy *sometimes* | 14:43 |
| bencoh | answering once in a while too | 14:44 |
| buZz | i have a voicemail service | 14:44 |
| buZz | everybody can call it 24/7 | 14:44 |
| bencoh | actually I no longer have a landline since I moved out of my parents' so ... | 14:44 |
| buZz | and i get a .wav in my email | 14:44 |
| KotCzarny | in todays world we only need internet access | 14:44 |
| buZz | 0 use for more | 14:44 |
| KotCzarny | all other services could use it for carrier | 14:45 |
| bencoh | buZz: well sometimes people (and I too) are willing for a realtime conversation | 14:45 |
| buZz | bencoh: they can unlazy and just take a bus | 14:45 |
| buZz | or bicycle | 14:45 |
| buZz | 'instant gratification' isnt a desirable trait | 14:46 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: using data (best effort) for voice services is at best a waste, at worse a bad idea / no-go | 14:46 |
| bencoh | buZz: :) | 14:47 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh, depends, but remember, most intercontinental voice is done via data anyway | 14:47 |
| KotCzarny | and i bet phone companies moved to data backed voice long time ago | 14:47 |
| bencoh | depends on which part of the circuit you're talking about | 14:48 |
| KotCzarny | all it needs is guaranteed bandwidth (for emergency calls) and some proper sheduler to allow all users' access | 14:48 |
| KotCzarny | schdeuler | 14:48 |
| KotCzarny | drat. | 14:48 |
| KotCzarny | scheduler | 14:48 |
| KotCzarny | in my country most companied do landlines by voip already | 14:49 |
| KotCzarny | *companies | 14:49 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: I'm mostly talking about the phone<->infra part :) | 14:53 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, information exchange is essential for humans | 14:54 |
| bencoh | the rest is already not-so-relevant indeed since pretty much everyone switched to packet-oriented (vs circuit-oriented) infras | 14:54 |
| KotCzarny | wired telephony was first long distance voice transmission | 14:54 |
| KotCzarny | now we live in digital age, where every information can be transmitted digitally | 14:55 |
| ShadowJK | except smells | 15:15 |
| KotCzarny | early experiments confirmed, we dont want smells | 15:16 |
| ShadowJK | It would be so useful though | 15:16 |
| ShadowJK | the technology | 15:16 |
| KotCzarny | rrrright | 15:16 |
| KotCzarny | 'my home smells like cat butt. oh, your computer might be virused' | 15:17 |
| Wizzup | buZz: re: phones, I do own a mobile and I mostly don't get disturbes, but I am happy that I can disturb friends and family when it is convenient for me | 15:17 |
| Wizzup | Where you being called by work or something? | 15:17 |
| ShadowJK | Since it would mean having to develop a realtime and accurate analyzer, and through mass production the costs would come down.. with the availability of large datasets of smells you could do things like detect skin cancers from the smell of skin, for example | 15:17 |
| KotCzarny | it's enough with boomboxes, you want kids on the train watch dirty youtubes? | 15:18 |
| ShadowJK | and on the other hand, a device capable of synthesizing different smells would be able to synthesize many other things too, not quite like replicators in star trek but in that direction | 15:18 |
| KotCzarny | there are possibilities. but negatives are much bigger | 15:19 |
| KotCzarny | ie. toxins | 15:19 |
| KotCzarny | remote killing? sure, we have keys for his 'puter | 15:19 |
| ShadowJK | Every technology can be used for good and evil | 15:19 |
| ShadowJK | Just like jpeg and goatse | 15:20 |
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| KotCzarny | what is good for goatse technology? | 15:23 |
| ShadowJK | Example of evil use of jpeg | 15:24 |
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| l_bratch | g | 19:53 |
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| Vajb | is good part of goatse jpeg deep glimpse in to human anatomy? | 20:29 |
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| pkill9 | o_O | 20:42 |
| CatButts | sure | 20:45 |
| Vajb | pkill9: just picked the part of old conversation. This channel is always so sophisticated. So i wanted to bring some good old irc feeling to it | 20:45 |
| CatButts | a stretch of the past | 20:45 |
| CatButts | talking bout that goatsi feeling | 20:45 |
| * CatButts sings | 20:45 | |
| Vajb | maybe i reached too deep? | 20:46 |
| KotCzarny | or from the wrong side | 20:47 |
| Vajb | shall i turn my other cheek? | 20:47 |
| KotCzarny | love your peers | 20:47 |
| Vajb | u totally lost me there | 20:57 |
| Vajb | love and peers | 20:57 |
| Vajb | or did u mean beers? | 20:58 |
| CatButts | definitely beers | 20:58 |
| Vajb | makes perfect sense then | 20:59 |
| KotCzarny | does 'peer review' rings your bell? | 21:07 |
| Vajb | not at all, but i know the direction of poor reviews in corporation structure | 21:11 |
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