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| Ponchale | some senior developer connected? | 01:47 |
| Ponchale | hi | 01:48 |
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| L29Ah | https://pp.vk.me/c625218/v625218627/14756/zu3fSwfwkKc.jpg | 01:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Ponchale: try #maemo-ssu | 01:51 |
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| KotCzarny | lol, what's a senior developer? | 01:57 |
| KotCzarny | and where is he/she connected to? | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: use zzztop instead powertop | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 125MHz is reported to be unstable | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw SR also is said to be unstable, and it's unclear if those TI&Nokia guys were really too incompetent to fix the efuse SR settings | 03:18 |
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| lopx | trying to install android simulator. Nitroid? | 05:31 |
| lopx | all went well but couldn't boot, I need kernel I think. | 05:31 |
| lopx | the link is dead to its download ;_: | 05:32 |
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| lopx | anyone know? I need android badly | 05:33 |
| lopx | I have nokia900. Anyone? Please... | 05:37 |
| lopx | great help ###maemo :D | 05:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cmd: Fr 24. Jul 04:48:31 CEST 2015 | 05:48 |
| pentanol | never use this on n900 | 05:48 |
| lopx | pentanol: can you explain? | 05:50 |
| Luke-Jr | any other potential N900 replacements besides Neo900 and Pyra? | 05:51 |
| Luke-Jr | disappointed the Pyra will lack cameras :x | 05:52 |
| lopx | maemo is dead and it's frustrating as fuck ugh... | 05:54 |
| lopx | tricks on emulating android apps? | 05:54 |
| lopx | what if I go debian? | 05:55 |
| Luke-Jr | lopx: Pyra community is apparently planning to have Android in VM(s) | 05:55 |
| lopx | Luke-Jr: good news | 05:56 |
| Luke-Jr | but only 2 GB RAM, so not sure it will be practical :x | 05:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | heck, when you need android, get an android device, no? | 06:16 |
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| lopx | DocScrutinizer05: and I always thought we were the exceptional few, who would run just anount anything on anything... | 06:24 |
| lopx | if I don't get it to work then yeah | 06:24 |
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| lopx | all I need is a kernel everything seems to work fine. I can't boot, that's my problem | 06:25 |
| Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: I don't want two devices. | 06:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I dunno, seems like nitroid is an android flaver from like 5 years ago | 06:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | questionable if it's of much use today | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but then, I'm pretty clueless about android | 06:31 |
| lopx | wiki is dead ;_; | 06:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources works for me | 06:33 |
| lopx | yes haha dl links... http://downloads.nitdroid.com/e-yes/nitdroid-kernel-2.6.28-07_rc4_armel.deb | 06:34 |
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| lopx | anyhow, how come it's so empty? I've been gone for sometime -_; | 06:47 |
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| Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: pretty sure the Pyra VM will be a recent Android :p | 07:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so? | 07:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess they will use schashlik, but that's not related to nitdroid | 07:45 |
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| Alphadog | The following packages have been kept back: | 09:08 |
| Alphadog | libgcc1 libsdl-mixer1.2 libstdc++6 | 09:08 |
| Alphadog | Does anyone know why is that so | 09:08 |
| Alphadog | deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ | 09:09 |
| Alphadog | deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ | 09:09 |
| Alphadog | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free | 09:09 |
| Alphadog | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/ fremantle free non-free | 09:09 |
| Alphadog | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free | 09:09 |
| Alphadog | deb http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ fremantle free non-free | 09:09 |
| Alphadog | deb http://repository.maemo.org/community/ fremantle free non-free | 09:09 |
| Alphadog | deb http://deb.opera.com/maemo/ fremantle non-free | 09:09 |
| Alphadog | deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/maemo/ fremantle free | 09:09 |
| Alphadog | deb http://www.amsn-project.net/maemo/ fremantle amsn tcltk | 09:09 |
| Alphadog | This is my sources.list | 09:10 |
| Alphadog | I have a warning about a key expired for both muarf mirrors | 09:11 |
| Alphadog | But I doubt this is the reason | 09:12 |
| Alphadog | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown | 09:13 |
| Alphadog | This is my uname -a output | 09:13 |
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| Alphadog | On the forum i read that i must have libcurl3 to use facebook sharing plugin | 09:17 |
| Alphadog | It seems i have 7.26.0 from curl -V output, which is newest in my oppinion. In extras-devel repo, there is 7.25.0-1 | 09:26 |
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| KotCzarny | alphadog: enabling extras-testing and extras-devel for regular use is not a smart idea | 10:38 |
| KotCzarny | its ok to install single apps, but otherwise things can break | 10:39 |
| Alphadog | But i suppose its late now to disable them | 10:39 |
| Alphadog | After ive run apt get update & upgrage | 10:40 |
| KotCzarny | nope, unless you did apt-get update and upgrade | 10:40 |
| KotCzarny | as for the packages being kept back try apt-get install name-of-the-kept-package | 10:40 |
| KotCzarny | to see what is the problem | 10:40 |
| Alphadog | I will reflash it tomorrow. | 10:41 |
| Alphadog | So for soursec.list what to leave | 10:42 |
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| Alphadog | The muarf mirrors, maemo.org stable and extras | 10:44 |
| KotCzarny | what is maemo stable? | 10:44 |
| Alphadog | Not maemo testing and extras testing, neither extras devel | 10:44 |
| KotCzarny | there is no such thing as maemo stable :) | 10:45 |
| Alphadog | http://repository.maemo.org/community/community-fremantle.install | 10:45 |
| bencoh | if you really want to keep -testing and -devel, use apt pinning | 10:45 |
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| KotCzarny | you can use -devel but just dont enable it 100% of the time | 10:46 |
| Alphadog | This one, it says stable on the site ☺ | 10:46 |
| KotCzarny | just for the things you need | 10:46 |
| KotCzarny | btw. community is ssu enabler apparently | 10:46 |
| KotCzarny | so it is ssu-stable | 10:47 |
| KotCzarny | i mean cssu | 10:48 |
| Alphadog | I haven't experienced trouble using things for now | 10:48 |
| KotCzarny | just remember that extras-devel can contain some broken packages, as anyone can upload there without much checking | 10:49 |
| Alphadog | So it s not a good idea to use cssu testing and extras testing | 10:49 |
| KotCzarny | extras-testing is very similar to extras-devel | 10:50 |
| bencoh | cssu-testing is fine, extras-testing should be okay in practice, -devel isn't | 10:51 |
| bencoh | ("fine" as in "a lot of people use it", but it's still a -testing, not a -stable) | 10:51 |
| Alphadog | Are different cssu and extras repos compatible, eg cssu-testing and extras | 10:52 |
| bencoh | yes | 10:52 |
| KotCzarny | extras-testing was meant as a temporary 'try this package for stableness' but without testers almost no one bothers with it | 10:52 |
| Alphadog | So cssu-stable and extra should be the right for me | 10:54 |
| KotCzarny | for a start, yes | 10:54 |
| KotCzarny | and extras-devel for packages you cant find in extras | 10:54 |
| Alphadog | I suppose additional repos are ok - fennec,opera,vlc.. | 10:55 |
| KotCzarny | if you install cssu, you can use nicer application manager, apt is not recommended way on maemo | 10:58 |
| KotCzarny | especially apt upgrade | 10:58 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, what was its name.. | 10:58 |
| KotCzarny | ~fam | 10:58 |
| infobot | fapman is probably Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam | 10:58 |
| bencoh | ~hamvsfam | 11:01 |
| infobot | it has been said that hamvsfam is https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-28.log.html#t2013-10-28T10:44:33, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93227 | 11:01 |
| bencoh | it's in cssu-testing now | 11:02 |
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| KotCzarny | what was the last thing you saw? | 11:11 |
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| Alphadog | Its in cssu-testing | 11:12 |
| KotCzarny | ok | 11:12 |
| Alphadog | I also found ham is extremely slow, thats why i started using apt | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | use speedyham | 11:14 |
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| Alphadog | According this links, using fam is not a good idea, because it uses apt | 11:16 |
| KotCzarny | thats why 'use speedyham' | 11:16 |
| Alphadog | Ok, and what about an youtube client, can you recommend me sth | 11:17 |
| KotCzarny | cutetube or something | 11:17 |
| Alphadog | There are few programs, but they seem not working | 11:18 |
| Alphadog | What do you use | 11:18 |
| KotCzarny | youtube interface changes often | 11:19 |
| Alphadog | And what about local video. I tried to play MP4 files from sd card, 720p quality. | 11:20 |
| KotCzarny | ~720p | 11:21 |
| infobot | 720p is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=77695 | 11:21 |
| bencoh | dont expect it to play highprofile (or main profile) 720p | 11:22 |
| bencoh | 720p/baseline should be fine | 11:22 |
| Alphadog | I suppose it will be better to convert them to 480p | 11:24 |
| Alphadog | On my pc with mencoder or sth else | 11:25 |
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| bencoh | yeah, ffmpeg should do the trick | 11:26 |
| bencoh | I think they have a profile for 3gs | 11:26 |
| bencoh | (iphone 3gs, which is roughly similar regarding h264 playback) | 11:26 |
| Alphadog | As far as i know they use the same ti omap cpu | 11:30 |
| Alphadog | 3gs and n900 | 11:30 |
| bencoh | no | 11:30 |
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| bencoh | it's a cortex-a8 @600mhz as well but not a TI SoC | 11:31 |
| Alphadog | What browser can you recommend me to use - fennec, opera or microB | 11:38 |
| KotCzarny | any of them have unique features | 11:39 |
| KotCzarny | so.. all | 11:39 |
| KotCzarny | if something doesnt work in microb, try fennec or opera etc | 11:40 |
| Alphadog | It was a good surprise that google plus was perfect with both fennec and opera | 11:41 |
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| Alphadog | But this cannot be said about facebook :) it was awful on both browsers | 11:42 |
| KotCzarny | facebook, not even once :P | 11:42 |
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| Alphadog | It seems only cutetube2 works for now | 11:53 |
| Alphadog | So what about local video player. Currently I use vlc both at home and work, with xp and debian. Is it ok to use vlc. | 11:54 |
| KotCzarny | sure | 11:56 |
| KotCzarny | also, install omp (open media player) | 11:56 |
| bencoh | cutetube no longer works ? | 11:56 |
| Alphadog | Yes, there is cutetube-QML, which can use daylimotion and youtube, but only dailymotion works. | 11:58 |
| Alphadog | Cutetube doesnt work at all | 11:58 |
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| bencoh | hmm right, no search result for youtube | 12:04 |
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| Luke-Jr | huh? fennec isn't even usable | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | its slow | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | but renders ok | 12:09 |
| Luke-Jr | I couldn't call an Uber with it it was so slow | 12:12 |
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| KotCzarny | :> | 12:14 |
| KotCzarny | then its not the fennec fault but stupid site | 12:14 |
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| Luke-Jr | stupid site works fine on my PC :P | 12:16 |
| KotCzarny | stupid site with limited functionality and overbloated 'content' :P | 12:17 |
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| Luke-Jr | ? | 12:17 |
| CATP | ! | 12:19 |
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| KotCzarny | i mean, other sites work, right? | 12:19 |
| KotCzarny | and how much power one would need for a simple post request? | 12:19 |
| bencoh | yeah fennec is barely usable | 12:25 |
| bencoh | (and yeah, the uber website is bloated and almost useless :p) | 12:25 |
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| teotwaki | I'm not sure I get the point of wanting to play 720p content on the n900 | 13:34 |
| teotwaki | it's not like the hardware was designed for it, and the screen/video out definitely doesn't support it. | 13:35 |
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| kerio | previewing the 720p video you just took? | 13:37 |
| teotwaki | the camera doesn't film in 720p, does it? | 13:37 |
| teotwaki | also, long time everyone, how's it been? I work for ex-Nokians in Denmark now :) | 13:38 |
| bencoh | it can | 13:38 |
| bencoh | ex-nokians? :) | 13:38 |
| Alphadog | Did you mean jolla :) | 13:40 |
| teotwaki | Jolla is in Finland | 13:40 |
| teotwaki | and the whole of Nokia didn't end up at Jolla xD | 13:41 |
| bencoh | ^^ | 13:41 |
| Alphadog | I wanted to buy their phone, but in my country nor operators neither stores offered it | 13:43 |
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| Alphadog | I had to buy an andr one. I havent check how is the situation now. | 13:44 |
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| bencoh | KotCzarny: cutetube2 doesnt click as well :) | 13:50 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh, could be it uses mafw for playback | 13:50 |
| bencoh | I dont think it uses mafw | 13:50 |
| KotCzarny | still, do you have any hints where and how to debug it? | 13:50 |
| bencoh | there is a funny preventScreenBlanking with a _HILDON_DO_NOT_DISTURB property in cutetube2 | 13:53 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 13:53 |
| bencoh | not sure whether this is related | 13:54 |
| bencoh | and ... it's in openmediaplayer as well | 13:54 |
| bencoh | // Prevent notifications and popups from obscuring the window | 13:54 |
| bencoh | might not be the one you need | 13:54 |
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| KotCzarny | hmm, i wonder how to call that atom in console app | 14:17 |
| bencoh | ? | 14:18 |
| KotCzarny | _HILDON_DO_NOT_DISTURB is x thing | 14:18 |
| bencoh | it is | 14:18 |
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| shaggycat | Hi all | 15:00 |
| shaggycat | I have a access problem | 15:00 |
| shaggycat | Sorry, it seems that you are using an IP address or a proxy that is listed in the forum anti spam blacklist. Feel free to contact our staff on irc freenode #maemo channel. | 15:00 |
| shaggycat | to talk.maemo.org | 15:00 |
| shaggycat | please delist IP: 77.246.99.70 | 15:01 |
| APic | shaggycat: Did You mean to post this in #Freenode or something? | 15:03 |
| L29Ah | :D | 15:03 |
| bencoh | I guess he's talking about talk.maemo.org | 15:04 |
| bencoh | (or the whole maemo infra) | 15:04 |
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| shaggycat | yes, I about talk.maemo.org | 15:16 |
| shaggycat | And i'm she :) | 15:16 |
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| bencoh | shaggycat: 15:15 < sixwheeledbeast> that IP has been used for brute force attacks in the past according to search engines | 15:38 |
| bencoh | dunno what happened with this IP | 15:39 |
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| shaggycat | bencoh, but It's not me | 15:39 |
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| bencoh | sixwheeledbeast: dunno if you have access to that, but ... ^ | 15:40 |
| bencoh | (or warfare maybe_ | 15:40 |
| shaggycat | probably it is one of Windows station. This Ip of our office. And I'm not a system administrator of it. I'm cloud developer (DevOps) | 15:40 |
| bencoh | hm, probably | 15:41 |
| bencoh | :) | 15:41 |
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| KotCzarny | wasn't that shaggycat's ip reported bad ip? ie. bruteforce hacks and stuff | 17:56 |
| KotCzarny | so even if she is ok, unblocking would mean bad scripts would have access there | 17:57 |
| bencoh | maybe not | 18:04 |
| bencoh | the reports I've seen seem quite "old" (a year) | 18:05 |
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| shaggycat | bencoh, please | 18:15 |
| shaggycat | Not works yet.... | 18:15 |
| shaggycat | I want to read forum :( | 18:16 |
| kerio | shaggycat: why the need for tor to access TMO? | 18:16 |
| shaggycat | kerio, I live in Russia | 18:16 |
| shaggycat | kerio, here is censorship | 18:17 |
| kerio | ayy lmao | 18:17 |
| shaggycat | kerio, and, 77.246.99.70 is not TOR node | 18:17 |
| shaggycat | It is our office | 18:18 |
| shaggycat | sNAT IP | 18:18 |
| shaggycat | of gateway | 18:18 |
| kerio | i see | 18:18 |
| shaggycat | sometimes I use tor, becouse our goverment like to block some interesting rescources, | 18:18 |
| shaggycat | but not talk.maemo.org not works with tor and NAT both :( | 18:19 |
| shaggycat | *but now | 18:19 |
| KotCzarny | shaggycat, can you access *.maemo.org from your home internet? | 18:19 |
| shaggycat | KotCzarny, yes, but at home I have not time to it | 18:19 |
| shaggycat | At work I have free time | 18:20 |
| KotCzarny | ok, now, install sshd at home and some http proxy, then from work ssh to home and forward some port to that proxy | 18:20 |
| KotCzarny | done | 18:20 |
| kerio | if you can ssh to home, you might as well just use the builtin SOCKS proxy | 18:22 |
| shaggycat | KotCzarny, I have not public IP at home | 18:23 |
| bencoh | shaggycat: I'm not an admin, I cant do anything about it (that's why I highlighted the others) | 18:23 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Hell | 18:23 |
| sixwheeledbeast | o? | 18:23 |
| shaggycat | May be, anybody can create a ticket for admin? | 18:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I am not techstaff if that was the question | 18:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast | mailto: techstaff@maemo.org | 18:24 |
| KotCzarny | (assuming they havent added her ip to block list too) | 18:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 18:25 |
| bencoh | oh, okay | 18:25 |
| KotCzarny | just kidding | 18:25 |
| shaggycat | Ok. Thank you | 18:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I can help with wiki but that's about it. | 18:26 |
| bencoh | shaggycat: I thought you had admin rights on TMO ... nevermind :) | 18:27 |
| bencoh | woops, that was for sixwheeledbeast of course :) | 18:28 |
| shaggycat | bencoh, :) | 18:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | nope, TMO is chemist | 18:28 |
| shaggycat | bencoh, In the past, I had a root with big cluster (when I worked in expluatation department, at UNIX administrator), but now I only localhost root :) And, probably, root on my labs :) | 18:30 |
| shaggycat | usually, devops has'nt root in production servers... | 18:31 |
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| KotCzarny | exploitation department? | 18:33 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 18:33 |
| shaggycat | exploitation, operation - sorry for bad english | 18:33 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: "production" (you know, the servers thou shalt not shutdowns :) | 18:34 |
| bencoh | -s | 18:34 |
| xes | http://www.blocklist.de/en/search.html?ip=77.246.99.70&action=search&send=start+search | 18:35 |
| KotCzarny | Last attack: 24.07.2015 | 18:36 |
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| KotCzarny | Attacks count: 23 (this month) | 18:37 |
| bencoh | hmm | 18:37 |
| KotCzarny | shaggycat, you work with bad people | 18:37 |
| KotCzarny | ask netadmins if they know about it | 18:37 |
| shaggycat | It is a very sad story :) Some years before, I bought Nokia N900 (and when I work in operations, It was good to have imidiatly access to servers from subway, becouse harsware keyboard). After some years, I get a dream about Jolla Phone. And, one day, I know about hardware jeyboard project, tohkbd rev1. Unfortunately, in this moment, new orders can't be aprouved. And was a pic with aduld women with phone, and tell: "no new keyboards". I was a very sad, a | 18:39 |
| shaggycat | nd try to find speculator. And I found one, and bought the rev1 keyboard without jolla phone. In next step of this sad history, | 18:39 |
| KotCzarny | just ask netadmins at your office if they know that someone is doing bad things from inside your network | 18:40 |
| shaggycat | I have a plans to buy Jolla phone. But my family get a some problems, and I was'nt have a free moneys in this moment. One year has passed, and my Nokia N900 was died, | 18:40 |
| bencoh | I'd rather buy a "new" (used) n900 | 18:41 |
| bencoh | (instead of a jolla) | 18:41 |
| shaggycat | And I bought a Jolla Phone. After 2 day, market price of Jolla phone was reduced :) And the keyboard, what I try to attach to my new Jolla phone, not worked | 18:41 |
| shaggycat | and, | 18:41 |
| shaggycat | And, I go to talks.maemo.org, | 18:42 |
| shaggycat | and seen, | 18:42 |
| shaggycat | A stop aprouving orders to new keyboard, rev2 :) | 18:42 |
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| shaggycat | and Is a NOT more new keyboards in ebay with big price from speculators :) | 18:43 |
| shaggycat | and, in next step, a maemo.org banned me | 18:43 |
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| shaggycat | channel, am I a looser :))? | 18:44 |
| KotCzarny | nope, but someone if your office is | 18:44 |
| shaggycat | But, kimmoli try to help me, and I send to him a parcel with my broken rev1 keyboard to repair | 18:45 |
| shaggycat | May be it will work | 18:45 |
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| shaggycat | Or may be not. natural continuation of this sad story will be can't be repaired keyboard :) | 18:46 |
| bencoh | what happend to your n900? | 18:48 |
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| shaggycat | bencoh, the screen blinking | 18:49 |
| shaggycat | It is a very sad about team of rev2 keyboard use the same pic with adult women with phone :) | 18:50 |
| shaggycat | It was a very sad year before, and it is now very sad for persons, who late again | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | screen "blinking" sounds like flexcable broken | 18:56 |
| shaggycat | Jolla Phone more like me then N900: it is more powerfull, interesting GUI, and new kernel, new toolchain, Wayland :)) and it is a also standart plus, android emulator. But I need a hw keyboard :( | 18:58 |
| shaggycat | I'd like to print long posts to forums inside subways, | 18:59 |
| shaggycat | emails, | 18:59 |
| shaggycat | and coding :) | 18:59 |
| KotCzarny | there are bt keyboards with phone holders | 18:59 |
| shaggycat | Becouse laptop has a big waight | 18:59 |
| KotCzarny | maybe you just need one | 18:59 |
| shaggycat | it is not conveniently. Rev1 keyboard of cource has not-production look, | 19:00 |
| shaggycat | but it is more conveniently then special device | 19:00 |
| shaggycat | becouse I have a one device, not 2 | 19:01 |
| shaggycat | in transport one device more comfortable | 19:01 |
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| KotCzarny | i have 2 devices, n900 and ebookreader with mirasol display | 19:02 |
| shaggycat | KotCzarny, I'm crazy, I think. Becouse I usually have a 2 smartphones (becouse second is reducent. If one lost a level of charge, or be blocked becouse minus financial balance), second is a Galaxy S2 with cyanogenomod, and I too have a reader with elink | 19:04 |
| shaggycat | KotCzarny, which reader are you use? | 19:04 |
| KotCzarny | kyobo (android unlocked) | 19:04 |
| KotCzarny | as for the charge, you can get powerbank | 19:05 |
| shaggycat | KotCzarny, I use Nook Simple Touch. Also non-offical android. I use it now to read english books and translation words by touchscreen. Unfortunately, my English can't be better for many years :( It is pre-intermidiate level for last 3 years. | 19:06 |
| shaggycat | KotCzarny, Are you native speaker? | 19:07 |
| KotCzarny | i'm from .pl, but i know english quite well | 19:07 |
| KotCzarny | learned it from videogames when i was young :P | 19:07 |
| shaggycat | KotCzarny, do you read a English books? Or you read polish? | 19:07 |
| KotCzarny | both | 19:08 |
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| shaggycat | KotCzarny, great | 19:08 |
| shaggycat | KotCzarny, Jolla never freezes like N900. On AJAX sites too | 19:10 |
| shaggycat | and, It works faster then my second phone, Samsung Galaxy S2 with also 2 cores | 19:11 |
| KotCzarny | n900 is old, even in 2009 it was a bit on the slower side | 19:11 |
| KotCzarny | n900 only has 1 core | 19:11 |
| shaggycat | becouse android is too stupid (4.3 too stupid. May be lolipop better) | 19:11 |
| chem|st | xes: shaggycat needs to have 77.246.99.70 unblocked from tmo | 19:25 |
| chem|st | ~techstaff | 19:26 |
| chem|st | ~maemo | 19:26 |
| chem|st | ~botsnack | 19:26 |
| infobot | chem|st: :) | 19:26 |
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| KotCzarny | chemist: read the scrollback | 19:32 |
| L29Ah | ~scrollback | 19:35 |
| infobot | hold 'shift' and touch 'page up' | 19:35 |
| L29Ah | thanks! | 19:35 |
| KotCzarny | for irc apps it's usually 'page up' alone | 19:35 |
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| chem|st | KotCzarny: I got an email, just doing waht I am asked for | 19:44 |
| KotCzarny | in short, that ip is reported attack site | 19:45 |
| KotCzarny | <xes> http://www.blocklist.de/en/search.html?ip=77.246.99.70&action=search&send=start+search | 19:45 |
| chem|st | KotCzarny: reported? | 19:45 |
| chem|st | xes: nevermind then | 19:47 |
| chem|st | reported today I read | 19:47 |
| KotCzarny | and in the past | 19:47 |
| KotCzarny | shaggycat might be ok, but that ip is shared for their whole office | 19:48 |
| KotCzarny | and someone there isnt ok | 19:48 |
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| kerio | rip shaggycat | 19:50 |
| kerio | you will be missed | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<KotCzarny> n900 only has 1 core)) not as if cores ever were the bottleneck | 20:00 |
| KotCzarny | doc, sure, but having 2 would help with stupid websites | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly not NUMBER of cores | 20:00 |
| KotCzarny | and for general system smoothness | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless your browser is smart enough to parallelize rendering, which is not warranted even on up-to-date browsers | 20:01 |
| KotCzarny | doc, while you are there, do you know what causes playback glitch on window operations and on screen blank/unblank? | 20:02 |
| shaggycat | kerio, I back | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: sorry, nope | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly you're using too app process centric buffering of audio | 20:02 |
| KotCzarny | doc, but gstreamer has the same problem too | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 20:03 |
| KotCzarny | and its not buffering, i've set 2000ms buffer and it still glitches | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if in doubt, blame Pukeaudio | 20:03 |
| KotCzarny | sure, but system media player/omp uses pa too, and doesnt have this glitch | 20:04 |
| KotCzarny | well, they use mafw, but it goes to pa too | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err wait, do you have system sounds enabled? | 20:04 |
| KotCzarny | none that i know of | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | set system sounds and touch sounds to off | 20:05 |
| KotCzarny | i have it that way already | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | try audio policy multimedia or gaming or whatever the high priority profiles | 20:06 |
| KotCzarny | ok | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I seem to recall this problem appeared often when audio playback apps didn't use correct audio profile, so system sounds would actually override and thus interrupt the app | 20:08 |
| KotCzarny | but it happens intermittently | 20:08 |
| KotCzarny | sometimes it goes blank without glitch | 20:08 |
| KotCzarny | gotta check that audioprofile thing first tho | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, it's a sort of race condition | 20:09 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 20:11 |
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| KotCzarny | stupid question, how do i set the policy? | 20:11 |
| KotCzarny | im using http://freedesktop.org/software/pulseaudio/doxygen/simple_8h.html#add9a7dce4e15955d4296726c26206689 | 20:11 |
| KotCzarny | is it the stream_name ? | 20:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry no clue | 20:15 |
| KotCzarny | anyway, thanks for the hint | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a file *somewhere* that defines process names and audio plicies to enable when that process is running | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I just serched /etc but didn't find it, prolly it's in /usr/share/alsa or pulse/ or OHM/ or dunnowhere | 20:17 |
| KotCzarny | software development is like an adventure game | 20:17 |
| KotCzarny | you try everything everywhere until it wokr | 20:18 |
| KotCzarny | s | 20:18 |
| KotCzarny | *works | 20:18 |
| KotCzarny | /etc/pulse/xpolicy.conf probably | 20:19 |
| bencoh | yeah, xpolicy | 20:20 |
| KotCzarny | setting group to 'systemsound' didnt work | 20:24 |
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| KotCzarny | nor 'player' | 20:25 |
| bencoh | I told you already, but I dont think the issue is with audio :) | 20:26 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh: i've tried setting that atom, and it didnt help | 20:26 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: but you shouldnt be bothered by notifications when playing a video :) | 20:27 |
| KotCzarny | oscp is mainly background audio player | 20:27 |
| KotCzarny | vidplay is just unexpected bonus ;) | 20:27 |
| bencoh | does it click when playing audio only ? | 20:27 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 20:27 |
| bencoh | hm | 20:28 |
| bencoh | do you actually have a window with audio-only medias ? | 20:28 |
| bencoh | I thought you had a deported interface | 20:28 |
| KotCzarny | nope, but for setting atom i opened x connection and created dummy window | 20:28 |
| bencoh | s/deported/remote/ | 20:28 |
| infobot | bencoh meant: I thought you had a remote interface | 20:28 |
| KotCzarny | just for testing the idea, core is console only | 20:29 |
| bencoh | then it's not what I think (at all) :) | 20:30 |
| bencoh | thought* | 20:31 |
| KotCzarny | still, im open to any idea/hint | 20:31 |
| KotCzarny | is there some way to monitor pulseaudio events? | 20:31 |
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| bencoh | dunno | 20:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd rather start monitoring X signals/msgs on your app's input, and even fake them and see if that triggers the problem | 20:43 |
| KotCzarny | its a console app | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then PolypAudio is the only thing that comes to mind | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or... some "leete tweks" you did to your maemo system. Like messing with cpufreq-governor or dunno what | 20:55 |
| KotCzarny | no, its not only me | 20:55 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh has it too, and qmlradio developer | 20:55 |
| KotCzarny | gst-launch-1.0 filesrc location=/some/file.mp3 ! decodebin ! pulsesink | 20:55 |
| KotCzarny | try for yourself | 20:55 |
| KotCzarny | then blank/unblank screen few times or switch windows around (open/close) | 20:56 |
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| KotCzarny | ( 48.479| 5.002) D: voice-temperature.c: Ambient temperature updated: 31 | 21:18 |
| KotCzarny | ( 48.480| 0.001) D: voice-temperature.c: Temperature read timer started: 5000000 us | 21:18 |
| KotCzarny | ( 48.662| 0.182) D: protocol-native.c: Underrun on ''NTranceFeatRodStewart' by 'DaYaThinkImSexy'', 0 bytes in queue. | 21:18 |
| KotCzarny | ( 48.933| 0.270) D: protocol-native.c: Requesting rewind due to rewrite. | 21:18 |
| KotCzarny | the fuck? | 21:18 |
| KotCzarny | and: | 21:18 |
| KotCzarny | ( 92.332| 0.001) D: protocol-native.c: Requesting rewind due to rewrite. | 21:18 |
| KotCzarny | ( 92.884| 0.551) D: protocol-native.c: Underrun on ''NTranceFeatRodStewart' by 'DaYaThinkImSexy'', 0 bytes in queue. | 21:18 |
| KotCzarny | ( 93.227| 0.342) D: protocol-native.c: Requesting rewind due to rewrite. | 21:18 |
| KotCzarny | that's when the glitch occurs | 21:19 |
| KotCzarny | but still no clue what is the reason of the underrun | 21:19 |
| KotCzarny | ( 289.375| 3.930) D: voice-temperature.c: Xprot inactive, shutting down. | 21:22 |
| R0b0t1 | <KotCzarny> ( 48.662| 0.182) D: protocol-native.c: Underrun on ''NTranceFeatRodStewart' by 'DaYaThinkImSexy'', 0 bytes in queue. | 21:28 |
| R0b0t1 | wut | 21:28 |
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| KotCzarny | ( 885.146| 0.001) D: classify.c: find_group_for_client (oscp|Multimedia|7454|0|oscp) => othermedia | 21:33 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 21:33 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, can't set group in pa | 21:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | reason for underrun is always the same: the app providing the samples didn't provide them in time | 21:47 |
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| KotCzarny | doc, but it happens with mplayer and gst and many other apps | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what can I say? | 21:48 |
| KotCzarny | is gstreamer cssu maintained? | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously some task with higher priority blocks the apps long enough so a buffer underun happens | 21:49 |
| KotCzarny | uhum | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first cure: use larger buffers, use more buffers | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what did you say was the buffersize you used? | 21:51 |
| KotCzarny | adding pa buffer code, earlier i've set wrong code branch | 21:52 |
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