IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2015-07-23

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ZetaRThere is a bug with optifying claws-mail-pgp-plugins on the N900. It ends up moving the file to /opt, creating a link to it, and then at some point the original file gets replaced with a circular link to itself.00:11
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DocScrutinizer05excellent spotting00:51
ZetaRIt looks like it installs the files to /opt properly, and then in post install replaces them with symbolic links pointing to where it just installed them. It will probably work fine if the post-install optify is removed.00:53
DocScrutinizer05yep, optifying stuff in /opt is contraproductive00:56
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DocScrutinizer05probably they ran optify on the build before packaging it, incl the optify hook00:57
ZetaRIn the post-install it says before the optify function "# Added by maemo-optify, with apologies.", so it looks like it was added after.00:58
ZetaRIf it was auto-added to a bunch of packages, it should probably include a check to make sure it isn't creating symbolic links for a file which is already getting installed to /opt00:59
ZetaRThis might not be the only package that is broken this way.01:00
DocScrutinizer05I dunno if it's auto-added or that's an option you hand to the builder01:00
DocScrutinizer05I rather guess the latter01:01
ZetaRYour guess is better than mine; I don't really know much about the package install process.01:01
DocScrutinizer05you prepare some file that has a number of info about author, package name, package icon, description, and prolly also whether to run optify on it or not01:04
ZetaRWell, I dissected the package and didn't find anything pertaining to it other than a defined optify function in the "postinst" file.01:06
ZetaRShould I contact the maintainer, or does someone here have the ability to fix the package?01:07
DocScrutinizer05  /debian/control01:09
DocScrutinizer05prolly is that file01:09
DocScrutinizer05only maintainer may fix a package01:10
ZetaRI don't see anything in it that mentions /opt or optify, unless you count "Priority: optional".01:10
ZetaROkay. I will send the maintainer an email.01:10
DocScrutinizer05ugh  /debian/rules01:11
ZetaRNo /debian/rules file in the package. Only ones are the installed files, and control, md5sums, and postinst.01:12
DocScrutinizer05sure, in the package are not instructions how to build the √ľackage01:14
KotCzarnybut he wonders how it can be possible that it mangles on install01:15
DocScrutinizer05starhash-enabler-for assistent-upload.tar.bz2/utar://starhash-enabler_0.1.tar.gz/utar://starhash-enabler/debian/rules01:17
DocScrutinizer05KotCzarny: because it's optified twice, once pre-build and once at install-time01:19
DocScrutinizer05the install-time optification seems to be auto-added by autobuilder to the postinst file, according to instructions given to the autobuilder in one of the files I mentioned above01:21
DocScrutinizer05actually install-time optification is preferable over build-time optification since it allows easy deoptification on devices that have a different partitioning scheme01:23
DocScrutinizer05though I guess the main reason been to allow optification of already installed packages from pre-optification (PR1.1) times01:24
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ZetaRThough, it will make install fail if you don't have much space on /. And you end up writing to the NAND unnecessarily.01:28
ZetaREmail sent to maintainer.01:30
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DocScrutinizer05for a temporary "fix" rename the on-device optify function that's called in postinst and instead have an empty (only shebang) shellscript named like the optify function01:33
DocScrutinizer05before installing01:33
DocScrutinizer05I'm doing same with docpurge permanently01:33
ZetaRSince there are only a few files, I will probably just move the files to their proper location manually rather than repackaging the deb file.01:34
DocScrutinizer05who said repackaging?01:35
ZetaRI mean editing it as an archive.01:35
DocScrutinizer05nobody suggested that either01:36
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ZetaRI don't understand your suggestion then. Why would I edit postinst if I am not going to use it as a deb file?01:37
DocScrutinizer05or is optify literally a function() in postinst, rather than a executable called by postinst?01:37
ZetaRIt is literally a function().01:37
DocScrutinizer05duh, crap01:38
ZetaRIt is also the only thing in postinst, so I don't really need it.01:38
gregoaecho auto >> debian/optify01:39
DocScrutinizer05I thought it calls sth like /usr/sbin/maemo-optify-lib.sh01:39
gregoa(in the source package)01:39
ZetaRNope, it doesn't call anything except standard POSIX stuff.01:40
DocScrutinizer05gregoa: it double-optifies, rendering the /opt/*/* files as links pointing to themselves01:43
DocScrutinizer05gregoa: so rather rm debian/optify, but prior to upload to autobuilder01:45
DocScrutinizer05I guess...01:45
DocScrutinizer05or remove the line "echo auto >> debian/optify" from some file01:46
DocScrutinizer05meh, no idea, I never looked into all that01:47
DocScrutinizer05ZetaR: anyway then the easiest fix is prolly to extract the files missing in /opt (resp that got replaced by auto referential links) from claws.deb with mc and copy them to where they belong to01:49
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ZetaRRight, that is what I am doing now.01:51
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DocScrutinizer05(cd "/" && tar cf - "$f") | (cd "/opt/maemo/" && tar xf -);  ln -s "/opt/maemo/$f" "/$f"01:56
DocScrutinizer05where $f = $101:57
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DocScrutinizer05in postinst. That's pretty weird, I don't think postinst gets called for each file of a package01:58
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ZetaRIt is a function with no call to it in postinst.01:59
ZetaRSo it only defines optify()01:59
DocScrutinizer05oooh even weirder01:59
DocScrutinizer05so wtf?01:59
ZetaRI have no idea.01:59
DocScrutinizer05gregoa: any idea?02:01
DocScrutinizer05it's already "optified" in package:
DocScrutinizer05who the fuck calls a function optify () {...} in postinstall?02:12
KotCzarnyclueless people?02:13
DocScrutinizer05people can't call functions, programs call functions02:13
KotCzarnyalso, who asks for person02:14
DocScrutinizer05I mean, dpkg calls postinst I'd guess. But how would dpkg have an idea of a function named optify() ?02:14
DocScrutinizer05I thought dpkg calls postinst as a shellscript and that's it02:15
ZetaR"The maemo-optify tool helps developers to prepare Debian packages that use /opt. This tool moves selected files inside the package to locations under /opt, and will symbolically link from the original location to the new place of the file. It is available on gitorious as well as in Extras-devel" From,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs02:16
ZetaRIt says in postinst that optify() : "# Added by maemo-optify, with apologies."02:16
DocScrutinizer05never thought they patched dpkg to add optify02:16
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ZetaRSeems to be working after moving files around.02:29
ZetaRI haven't tested it yet, but I will work on that next.02:30
DocScrutinizer05I'm even more puzzled since the dang function starts with a "if [ -h $f ]"02:30
ZetaRYou missed a "!".02:30
DocScrutinizer05yeah, meant that02:30
DocScrutinizer05it shpouldn't touch the symlinks anyway02:30
ZetaRSo it only moves it around if it exists and is not a symbolic link.02:30
DocScrutinizer05so who the heck is ruining that package?02:32
DocScrutinizer05after installation02:32
DocScrutinizer05and how?02:32
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KotCzarnydoes apt have logging function?02:32
ZetaRThere is this weird file: "/var/log/maemo-optify-boottime.log"02:35
DocScrutinizer05the function supposed to work on dirs?02:40
DocScrutinizer05if [ -d "/$f" ]02:40
DocScrutinizer05in package the files are symlinked, not the complete dir02:41
DocScrutinizer05this is the root cause of the problem, the devel symlinked the files, then optify rushing over it and copying&symlinking the complete dir02:48
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KotCzarnyso, optify fail?02:49
DocScrutinizer05incl the symlinks in that dir02:49
DocScrutinizer05no, packager/developer fail02:49
DocScrutinizer05or optify actually been added to the package later on, by somebody who had no clue that it's not applicable to that particular package02:50
KotCzarnyhmm, i think i did the same, but without adding optify02:51
ZetaRIt sounds like it was added, because there is actually a comment about it being added.02:51
DocScrutinizer05maybe the package is pre-optification time02:51
DocScrutinizer05ZetaR: yes, I guess autobuilder adds that comment to every optified package02:51
KotCzarnyand it didnt behave like this02:51
DocScrutinizer05the question is who instructed autobuilder to optify that package02:52
KotCzarnymine is in non-free, to autobuilder didnt f*ck up mine02:52
KotCzarnys/to /so /02:52
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DocScrutinizer05if this package is from pre-optify times back when PR1.0 was recent OS version, I could see somebody adding a tag "optify please" to *all* packages in repo when they introduced optification in PR1.1 or PR1.1.1 or PR1.202:54
DocScrutinizer05not realizing that this particular package already had its own "optification" implemented02:55
DocScrutinizer05anyway, mystery 7/8 solved02:57
DocScrutinizer05the remaining 1/8 I tend to blame to maem flavor of apt02:57
DocScrutinizer05would be interesting to check if dpkg also does that optify() call02:58
povbotBug 7707: maemo-optify-deb produces recursive symlink for plugins in derivative packages02:58
ZetaRClaws-mail plugins are named as an example of this bug02:59
ZetaRAlso, manually unpacking and copying the files is the recommended work around since 2010.03:01
KotCzarnyone could say this package is unmaintained03:02
ZetaRBBL folks. I hope this doesn't take another 5 years to get sorted out. :P03:04
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KotCzarnyfind a maintainer03:04
KotCzarnyotherwise no one would fix it03:05
KotCzarny(people are lazy)03:05
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DocScrutinizer05ZetaR: (bug7707) yeah and Package importedSystem2010-01-02 05:23 UTC for claws03:07
DocScrutinizer05the fix is to build it anew with fixed maemo-optify-deb03:08
DocScrutinizer05it's a package zombie from maemo pleozaen03:09
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DocScrutinizer05ohmy, the last 4 or 5 comments on 7707 are so depressing03:19
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: could you check what version of maemo-optify-deb (or whatever the name) is used on autobuilder?03:21
DocScrutinizer05seems Marius Vollmer dropped the ball03:22
povbotBug 7707: maemo-optify-deb produces recursive symlink for plugins in derivative packages03:22
DocScrutinizer05actually wtf is wrong with repo? check 0.7.0 vs 0.4.0 and "latest version" for fremantle03:27
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endsormeansKotczarny: ping07:23
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R0b0t1what version of libusb does 0xfffff need to compile?07:46
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infoboti guess maemo-flashing is, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh10:07
FiorenzaHi, cannot find the file maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz10:14
FiorenzaWhere can I download it, please ?10:15
Fiorenza~tabletsdev ~combined ~emmc ~flasher sdk10:16
infoboti guess tabletsdev is , (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site, or
KotCzarnytry this way10:16
Fiorenzait works, thanks !10:17
FiorenzaIs there another O.S. I can install on my N900 ?10:17
FiorenzaSomeone has tried Firefox OS ?10:17
KotCzarnydo you need all functionalities?10:17
KotCzarnylike phone etc10:17
KotCzarnyif you only need wifi, then yes, there are choices10:18
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KotCzarnyotherwise you are stuck to fremantle (and to some extent chroot based distros)10:19
FiorenzaI need to phone, whatsapp, calendar, address book10:19
FiorenzaHow does work ? I connect my N900 via USB to my Linux PC and then I run the script ?10:23
KotCzarnyopen it in some editor? maybe there are comments inside10:24
KotCzarnyor some readme in the package10:24
FiorenzaOk, I'm looking it.10:24
KotCzarnybut i guess you just start it and read what it says10:24
KotCzarnyit was meant to flash many n900 with as little user inteaction as possible10:24
FiorenzaYes, I'm reading the script: it tell when I have to remove the battery and what should I do.10:27
FiorenzaOk. Thanks. If I cannot resolve my whatsapp problem with Yappari, I'll have to buy a new phone, so I can use N900 as a tablet: so, what OS can I install ?10:29
KotCzarnyfor yappari then just update to newest version10:29
KotCzarnyit was changing much lately10:29
FiorenzaI just did it, but I don't receive messages from other, while I can send.10:30
KotCzarnyand you can write to yappari developer (either via page about your problem or here on irc 'ceene')10:30
KotCzarnywhat version do you have?10:30
FiorenzaIt is strange, but I receive the messages of the group10:30
FiorenzaI have the latest version of Yappari: 2.0.1510:31
FiorenzaBut I installed a patch on my N900 to resolve the problem of Gmail: I cannot read messages any more10:31
FiorenzaSo I wanted to reset N900 to have a clean behaviour...maybe it is the problem.10:32
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bencohthe latest yappari version might still be in -devel10:45
bencohhm, nevermind, promoted in -testing10:45
FiorenzaIt is 2.0.15 version ?10:46
bencohlooks like it is
FiorenzaIn fact. I think it is my N900 problem, probably I installed something wrong. For this I want to reflash it and install new version of Yappari.10:50
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infobotrumour has it, flasher is at (also .exe!), or or generally   HARMattan(N9):, or -- list of filenames/md5sums:, or
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sixwheeledbeastKotCzarny: Re: no access to m.o, was a router glitch in the end BTW, just rebooted.11:25
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sixwheeledbeastjabber stopped working and then more ports stopped working slowly.11:26
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ceeneFiorenza: which patch is that for gmail that you installed?13:20
ceenei don't see how can that affect to yappari13:20
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, repos is deb ./;; deb ./13:31
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ceenecool, thanks13:33
ceenei'm going to post there my mirror :)13:33
KotCzarnyadd proper comments13:34
KotCzarnyhmm, someone duplicated muarf entry13:35
KotCzarnyahm, its for app manager13:35
bencoh"slow, but better than nothing" is it that slow ?13:35
KotCzarnybencoh: you've said it i think13:35
bencohI said it was slow ?13:35
KotCzarnyi mioght be wrong, my memory is flunky sometimes13:36
bencohit's hosted behind FTTH at 100mbps13:36
KotCzarnyno limiting?13:36
bencohthat should be way more than any n900 could ever need :p13:36
KotCzarnysome people use wget -r etc13:37
bencohno rate-limit no13:37
KotCzarnyi can remove that comment13:37
ceenei'm editing it right now to add my repos13:37
ceeneso i can remove that comment myself13:38
bencohI don't really mind it, but I was just wondering whether someone experienced some issue13:38
KotCzarnyceene, just remove comment about being slow13:38
KotCzarnyleave the rest13:38
KotCzarnyunless muarf gets the 'official' status13:38
bencohit wont :)13:39
ceenethere :)13:39
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ceeneit's hosted on the university13:43
ceenei don't know which connection we have here13:43
ceenebut i'm sure it's fast enough13:43
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KotCzarnyi wouldnt mind if you guys added n8x0 repos too, at least for diablo13:46
bencohunfortunately I never mirrored it13:46
ceeneit was
ceenei didn't mirror it neither :(13:47
bencohwonder if there is some mirror out there13:47
bencohmaybe someone has an offline copy13:48
ceeneif it appears i wouldn't mind hosting it too13:48
KotCzarnyi have a mirror of chinook and part of diablo13:51
KotCzarnymirrored it when before diablo came out13:52
ceeneif you want to upload it i can set something up13:53
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KotCzarnywill get around it later14:07
KotCzarnyluckily its mostly unneeded stuff14:08
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KotCzarnybut having firmware images handy is ncie14:08
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shaggycatHi all15:52
shaggycatI have a problem: Sorry, it seems that you are using an IP address or a proxy that is listed in the forum anti spam blacklist. Feel free to contact our staff on irc freenode #maemo channel.15:52
shaggycatAlso I try to use tor for read forum, and also can't :(15:53
shaggycatPlease delist my office IP address15:53
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bencohxes: ^15:55
warfareI could do something about it but I don't have the right ssh keys on my work machine.15:56
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sixwheeledbeastthat IP has been used for brute force attacks in the past according to search engines16:15
KotCzarnybad office, bad!16:15
L29Ahgood tmo, good!16:17
KotCzarnyyeah, google says this ip has some bad people behind16:25
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KotCzarnyhow come i see powertop reporting 1150mhz while i have max set to 500?16:33
ShadowJKpowertop doesn't work with kernel power16:34
bencohhmmm ... which part of doesnt work ?16:35
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KotCzarnycould be just cosmetic, because time_in_state shows ok16:41
KotCzarnythough otoh it doesnt enter 125mhz, hmm16:41
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KotCzarnyhmm, anyone got a clue why non mafw apps get interrupted on events like window change, blank/unblank etc? omp seems to be unaffected, anything else (panucci, oscp, mplayer) does17:00
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KotCzarnybah, even gstreamer17:04
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ShadowJK125MHz is broken, iirc.17:13
KotCzarnyfor now it's as broken as 'not using it at all by cpufreq'17:14
ShadowJK125 MHz has nevee been used by N90017:15
KotCzarnyi remember some people saying that they've used it. were they misinformed?17:15
ShadowJKThey might've tried to use it, yeah17:15
ShadowJKI remember it said it's unstable17:16
KotCzarnyfor me it's just not entering it at all, even with setting scaling_min_freq ok. was it some patch in kernelpower?17:17
ShadowJKcould be. freemangordon might know17:18
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bencohKotCzarny: changing window doesnt stop/pause gst-launch here, but I can see a glitch17:24
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bencohI think it does something with the video surface17:24
KotCzarnybencoh, i don't mean 'stop', but 'click'17:24
bencohthen I've experienced that as well under some conditions, yeah17:25
KotCzarnyfunny thing is that system media player is unaffected17:25
bencoh(and I still think it's related to the way surfaces are handled)17:25
bencohhmm, iirc system media player pauses when switching window17:25
KotCzarnytry omp17:26
bencohoh, omp17:26
bencohwhat about cutetube ?17:26
KotCzarnydidnt try as i dont use it17:27
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KotCzarnybencoh, it somehow boils down to find out what tricks mafw uses17:45
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L29AhKotCzarny: renice?19:19
L29Ahi suggest cute gui animations are niced so a user won't scream that n900 is slow in blogs scaring nokia customers away19:20
bencohwhat do you want to renice ?19:20
KotCzarnyl29ah: nope19:21
KotCzarnyit's something at system level, maybe pulseaudio19:21
KotCzarnyrenicing doesnt do a thing19:21
KotCzarnyand its not cpu starvage19:21
KotCzarnyas i can do some cpu intensive ops without glitches19:21
KotCzarnyjust do the test and run mplayer19:22
KotCzarnythen just blank/unblank screen19:22
KotCzarnyor switch windows19:22
bencohKotCzarny: I dont think it's pulseaudio but a change in the video sink (probably the underlying surface) and audio/video sync is responsible for the audio "click"19:23
KotCzarnyno, its just as if audio thread was blocked for some time19:24
KotCzarnysometime short, sometimes a bit longer19:24
KotCzarnybut never happens for mafw (omp)19:24
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sixwheeledbeastKotCzarny: I use 125Mhz with no noticeable issues19:39
sixwheeledbeast125Mhz-600Mhz SR19:40
KotCzarnyswb: problem is i can set 125 as min, but kernel doesnt go there19:40
sixwheeledbeastavoid_frequencies setting in kp19:41
KotCzarnywhere to find it in /sys/ ?19:41
sixwheeledbeast125000 is set as avoid you have to remove this19:41
sixwheeledbeastI find it19:41
KotCzarny /sys/./devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ondemand/avoid_frequencies19:42
KotCzarnyso, i just echo "" into the file19:43
sixwheeledbeastecho > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ondemand/avoid_frequencies19:43
KotCzarnywe shall see19:43
sixwheeledbeastalso I use with echo 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ondemand/ignore_nice_load19:44
KotCzarnythat mean everything >0 ?19:44
KotCzarnyor >=019:44
sixwheeledbeastblank, so removes content19:45
KotCzarnyi mean, when set to 1, which priorities are ignored19:46
sixwheeledbeastnot sure I remember it being a "thing" for running 125 sucessfully.19:48
bencohKotCzarny: it is "blocked" because it needs to be kept in sync with video19:51
bencohI havent really investigated much into this19:52
KotCzarnybencoh, but omp somehow manages it19:52
sixwheeledbeastKotCzarny: " ignore_nice_load > When set to 0, all processes are counted towards the cpu utilization value.  When set to 1, the processes that are run with a 'nice' value will not count "19:54
KotCzarnyso >019:54
KotCzarnybecause by default you get prio019:55
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KotCzarnybencoh: still, solving that mafw audio trick is more important to me20:46
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