IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2015-07-22

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Ponchalehi are you?03:03
Ponchalesomeone connected?03:03
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veikkoho :)03:34
Ponchalehi veikko03:34
Ponchalehi are you man?03:34
Ponchalea question you are development?03:35
veikkoI'm only a hacker03:35
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R0b0t1What does the nokia flashing tool do?06:26
R0b0t1Anyone reversed it?06:27
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infobot0xffff is probably, or
kerioR0b0t1: ^07:46
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AlphadogYesterday my device bricked. Its battery discharged completely, while I was uninstalling custom kernel, no matter charger was plugged.10:42
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AlphadogI got a new battery, but device cannot start any more. Tried to reflash  it completely, without success.10:43
AlphadogI only see nokia logo on screen, sometimes with led backlit on, sometimes off.10:45
bencohas long as usb works and you didnt overwrite nolo (bootloader) you should be fine10:46
jogabefore trying to turn it on, recharge it for a while, disconnect charger and then turn it on10:46
AlphadogI have reflashed it before, with the same image on the same pc with flasher 3.5, and I'm pretty sure i do things right.10:46
AlphadogAlready tried to recharge it the whole night, before flashing. The battery seems ok.10:48
bencohis the led solid green ?10:48
AlphadogIt sometimes flashes white, sometimes solid yellow10:48
bencohsolid yellow means the chip is charging it slowly with no software support10:49
bencohwhich usually means it coulnt boot the linux kernel, either because battery is too low, or because it just cant10:49
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AlphadogBattery stays about 3,8V loaded with a 300mA load10:51
bencohif your kernel is borked I guess it really cant boot it ... could explain that10:52
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AlphadogBut why cannot enter the flash mode.10:53
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AlphadogIs there a way to flash it anyway. I can even unsolder the flash chip, I think it was toshiba, and program it from the outside10:54
KotCzarnyno, you should be able to flash over usb10:55
KotCzarnyits pretty resilient10:55
AlphadogEg with gallep5 programmer10:55
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KotCzarny1/ turn off device and disconnect usb, 2/ run flasher and get 'waiting', 3/ connect device without turning it on10:55
Alphadog3rd step while holding u button10:57
KotCzarnydoesnt matter10:57
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AlphadogI have tried it, with u key. Flasher gives info about hw version and then continue waiting for suitable device.10:58
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KotCzarnyusing linux or windows?11:02
AlphadogIm pretty sure i do things ok. I have done the same last week, everything was ok.11:02
AlphadogWinxp 32 bit11:03
KotCzarnytry linux11:03
AlphadogI tried first last week, but I got error for ab APE algorithm, then get the job done on my old laptop.11:04
AlphadogI use debian testing 64bit11:04
AlphadogAnd flasher 3.511:06
AlphadogFrom the repos11:06
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KotCzarnyas i said, try linux flashing11:09
AlphadogERROR: APE algorithm has to be provided to flash all the subimages11:10
AlphadogBut how to resolve this.11:10
Alphadogmust I download flasher deb package from somewhere else.11:11
KotCzarnycheck if your image is ok11:11
infoboti heard flasher is at (also .exe!), or or generally   HARMattan(N9):, or -- list of filenames/md5sums:, or
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AlphadogMy image should be ok. The same I used on my laptop.11:14
bencoh ?11:14
bencohare you sure it's flash 3.5 ?11:14
AlphadogI will try with the jedge version, and tell you later11:15
KotCzarnyjust grab the one from infobot11:15
AlphadogYep, I ve read this already.11:15
bencohthe APE error is most likely not related to your device11:18
AlphadogAs far as Ive read in the net, its some incompability of 32 and 64 linuxes and their libs, but nobody gave  solution.11:22
KotCzarnyrun livecd 32bit ?11:22
bencohor try installing 32b libs (multilib install), or run it in a chroot11:24
KotCzarnyyeah, if you use flasher designed for harmattan (ie >3.5) it will fail11:26
AlphadogI have ubuntu 12.04 32 somewhere, if jedge version fails, I will try it.11:35
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teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: hey may11:43
infobotteotwaki meant: DocScrutinizer05: hey man11:43
KotCzarnymay flower11:44
teotwakior james11:48
teotwakiNokia doesn't even provide the flasher for n810/n900 anymore?11:49
KotCzarnynope, nor images11:49
infobotfrom memory, maemo-flashing is, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh11:50
teotwakiwho owns
teotwaki(the domain)11:50
bencohaccording to the whoisdb juiceme is the admin contact11:52
bencohand the registrant11:53
teotwakiWell, thanks Microsoft. You've helped us all.11:54
KotCzarnynope, it was pre-microsoft11:55
teotwakiKotCzarny: pre-Elop?11:57
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teotwakiok, my bad MS, then.12:02
teotwakiThanks Nokia board, you've helped us all.12:02
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KotCzarnyi mean, it was migrated in 2013, but i guess it wasnt on elop's 'do or dont list'12:20
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AlphadogFound device RX-51, hardware revision 210112:25
AlphadogNOLO version 1.4.1412:25
AlphadogVersion of 'sw-release': <no version>12:25
AlphadogBooting device into flash mode.12:25
AlphadogSuitable USB device not found, waiting.12:25
KotCzarnyturn it off, connect usb12:25
kerioturn it off, remove battery, connect usb, hold U, put battery in12:25
AlphadogLinux debian 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1 (2015-05-24) x86_64 GNU/Linux12:27
AlphadogUsing flasher from the first link12:27
Alphadogit doesnt get error message about APE algoritm12:28
AlphadogI have tried it many times12:28
Alphadogwith or without pressing U12:29
KotCzarnytry linux32 ?12:30
Alphadogand I don't see such device with lsusb, only my camera, kb ...12:31
KotCzarnytry without turning it on?12:34
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Alphadogyes, I already tried12:36
AlphadogI may have forgotten to mention, if I leave the phone, it's in a reboot loop, untill it has battery or is on chanrger12:37
AlphadogI can see Nokia logo, but without backlit, in the next moment there is only backlit with black sreen12:39
AlphadogFound device RX-51, hardware revision 2101 - I suppose the USB itself is ok by this12:42
KotCzarnycan you boot rescueos?12:43
AlphadogI'm not aware of it.12:45
AlphadogJust downloaded the image12:45
AlphadogWhat to do next12:45
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KotCzarny  flasher-3.5 -k rescueOS_n900_kernel_1.2.zImage -n rescueOS-1.2.img -l -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0"12:47
KotCzarnyit will try to load kernel without flashing (note the -k option)12:47
Alphadogjust tried with partedmagic 3.5.3 32bit, no luck12:48
Alphadogthis I found easiest to boot to12:49
KotCzarnyahm, some livecd12:49
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KotCzarnyso, let me rehash the scenario, 1/ disconnect and poweroff the device, 2/ run flasher line and wait for 'waiting for' 3/ connect usb without powering on12:51
KotCzarnythis fails, right?12:51
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Alphadogand it seems my battery drains quite fast12:55
Alphadogi think i must recharge it, now phone doesnt start and it led lits solid yellow12:55
Alphadogi try all with su privilegs, is this ok12:56
KotCzarnyalphadog, you can try script from13:02
infobotrumour has it, maemo-flashing is, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh13:02
KotCzarnythe one names flash-it-all13:03
KotCzarnyalso, you might try another computer13:04
KotCzarnyor cable13:04
KotCzarnymaybe there is something wrong hardware wise13:04
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zGrrhi KotCzarny13:27
KotCzarnyoink zgrr13:28
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zGrrKotCzarny:  i might have a time soon to have a look at your brilliant media player.13:57
zGrrKotCzarny:  it does work on n810, doesn't it?13:57
Alphadog2I will try flashitall later at home, 10x14:04
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goldkatzeHi everyone :-)14:07
goldkatzeI'm looking for a package, cannot find the appropriate repository: syncevolution: Depends: libpcrecpp0 (>= 6.7-1osso1+r1) but it is not installable (virtual package, no candidate)14:08
goldkatzeAny suggestions? extras, -testing and -devel are enabled.14:08
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KotCzarnyzgrr: yes, latest is in extras-devel14:10
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goldkatzeuh, libpcrecpp0 stored in pcre3 folder?! okay. thank you so much!14:35
goldkatzevectis__: Is this part of the SDK repo? Where do I find those for sources.list? I'm rather confused as to why it's not being found by aptitude already as it is right now.14:37
KotCzarnydebian, ehehe14:37
infobotit has been said that maemo-repos is
KotCzarnyand yes, its for scratchbox (sdk)14:37
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bencohit should be in SSU as well15:11
bencoh(ie the nokia repositories)15:11
goldkatzebencoh: Is muarf still the mirror to use for those? Since nokia is gone?15:15
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bencohwell, it should work15:17
bencohthere might be other repositories, and there is no "official" one15:18
goldkatzeok, thanks :-)15:20
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infobotwell, maemo-flashing is, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh17:36
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AlphadogKotCzarny, I need help :)17:44
KotCzarnywhat kind?17:44
Alphadogi managed to boot Rescue OS17:44
Alphadognow what should I do17:44
KotCzarnygood, that was just to check if your flasher/device works17:44
KotCzarnynow close the rescueos and flash the image from the save env17:45
Alphadogwith vanilla image i suppose17:45
infobotwell, maemo-flashing is, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh17:45
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AlphadogIt works :)17:59
KotCzarnywhat was the working combination?17:59
Alphadogthe flasher from the link the bot gave17:59
Alphadogthe script flash it all18:00
Alphadogand a bl-4j battery from my friend phone18:00
KotCzarnyso, it was bad battery that prevented flashing interface showing up?18:01
Alphadogfrom this link I understood that18:01
Alphadogon empty battery its impossible to recharge it from this phone18:02
Alphadogyep :)18:02
KotCzarnyone nice thing nokia did right is that you can hack and reflash till the flash chip dies18:02
Alphadogyes, I found in all g results that hard reset is made with flasher, no *# code or menu option in settings18:05
KotCzarnybecause it's just a linux box18:05
KotCzarnyno # code to reset, just reinstall18:05
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Alphadogyes, but it's not a big deal, as far as I know flash chip can stand up at least 10000 write cycles.18:07
AlphadogAnd the chip I saw was Toshiba, so this number should be 100% guaranteed18:08
Alphadogthe only bad thing is that if your battery is completely dead, you are in a deadlock - you should use 5800 xpress music to recharge it :)18:10
KotCzarnybut its not a big problem usually18:10
bencohor have a second battery18:10
bencohor a power supply18:11
KotCzarnyor external charger18:11
AlphadogBut the worst is that I didn't know about this, and I would never think about this18:11
KotCzarnywe all thought your battery is charged enough18:12
AlphadogI thought so, I tried it with a potentiometer and voltmetter18:12
Alphadogi will get an polarcell one :)18:13
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KotCzarnyalso, rtfm18:16
Alphadognow my polarcell is on the way18:25
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AlphadogKotCzarny, I owe you a beer, call me if you go to Bulgaria :)18:30
KotCzarnygood that it worked18:32
AlphadogI also found a brand new touchscreen here in Bulgaria18:34
Alphadogfor about 15 euro, but I doubt it's OEM, no matter site says "Original Nokia"18:34
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infobotRemove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop)18:46
infoboti heard bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device.18:46
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bencoh"CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop)" thhhat's te important part :)18:54
KotCzarnywhich wasnt, in this particular example18:56
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infobotrootfs: the content of the storage volume mounted under /, on NAND mtd5 partition. Also called "the system", since it's all the files forming the linux core system (except the kernel itself). Reflash rootfs from COMBINED (see ~flashing). Also see ~bootloop19:00
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DocScrutinizer05>>Also see ~bootloop<< is the relevant part19:01
KotCzarnyis /home/user/.profile rootfs?19:02
KotCzarnybecause it also can cause bootloop19:02
DocScrutinizer05that's right19:02
DocScrutinizer05but afaik only when booting up, not in ACT_DEAD19:02
DocScrutinizer05I might be wrong19:03
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DocScrutinizer05so you could get out of deadlock by simply letting device charge (which is actually what ACT_DEAD is all about)19:05
DocScrutinizer05IOW a broken profile doesn't cause a real bootloop as mentioned in ~flatbatrecover19:08
DocScrutinizer05it simply causes reboot when trying to boot device to full operational level, and reflashing is the cure to that19:09
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sixwheeledbeasthmm, *.m.o down?19:38
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bencohworks here19:39
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KotCzarnyt.m.o works for me19:41
sixwheeledbeasthmm not here19:43
KotCzarnycheck if dns resolves19:43
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KotCzarny10.                    0.0%     5   18.0  18.2  18.0  19.1   0.019:48
KotCzarnyworks fine19:48
KotCzarnyfrom both my home and friends isps ranges19:49
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bencohsixwheeledbeast: mtr ?20:11
DocScrutinizer05hi xes, long time no see20:11
bencoh(the traceroute tool)20:11
xeshi DocScrutinizer05! RL is cruel leaving me without free time ;)20:12
DocScrutinizer05same here, sort of20:13
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sixwheeledbeastI'll investigate further later, off out now. Seems odd only m.o is affected.20:21
KotCzarnym.o also works20:21
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KotCzarnySSL cipher: 128-bit TLSv1/SSLv3 ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA25620:42
KotCzarnylol, for https://talk, i get connection refused20:47
KotCzarnywiki and main work20:48
KotCzarnytalk works without https20:48
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DocScrutinizer05yes, even for https://talk.maemo.org21:19
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KotCzarnyi still get conn refused for https://tmo21:24
KotCzarnytalk about chaos21:25
KotCzarnycould be that this ip range got blocked for spam tho21:25
KotCzarnythough for my home connection its also conn ref21:26
DocScrutinizer05yes, I still get conn refused even for https://talk.maemo.org21:28
xesthere is no https on tmo21:29
KotCzarnyhmm, so passwords go plain?21:29
Paliyes, just plain unencrypted passwords21:30
Paliwhich can be easily sniffed21:30
KotCzarnyfun (since they are used for whole *
Palino TMO account is diffetent21:31
Palinot SSOed with maemo.org21:31
KotCzarnywasnt there a merge?21:31
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infobotmethinks maemo-flashing is, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh21:33
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Luke-Jrwhat are the symptoms of broken Thumb?22:46
Luke-Jrcould it be responsible for GCC hanging?22:46
DocScrutinizer05yes, thumb siErr could cause basically all sorts of erratic behavior22:53
DocScrutinizer05though segv is most likely22:54
kerio*most lucky22:55
freemangordonSIGILL actually ;)22:57
freemangordonLuke-Jr: highly unlikely22:58
freemangordonKotCzarny: no, SIGILL22:58
freemangordonas istructions are executed with wrong T bit value22:58
Luke-Jrit's a repeatable hang of the process, that I can cleanly kill22:58
freemangordonit is ARM-compied, ain't?22:59
xesall: there is a little update maintenance in progress, if you receive some kind of error accessing please be patient a minute22:59
bencohisn't there a second sierr which causes cpu not to invalidate cache when it needs to ?22:59
Luke-JrI'm tempted to blame musl and go back to glibc 2.19 until things sanitise22:59
freemangordonbencoh: thumb-related?22:59
bencohARM errata 43097322:59
KotCzarnyl29ah had problems with musl23:00
KotCzarnyand gcc23:00
KotCzarnyand building23:00
freemangordonbencoh: this is the "main" thumb sierr23:00
* Luke-Jr stabs glibc for dropping <2.6.32 support23:00
bencohfreemangordon: the one triggering the SIGILL should be the other one (?)23:00
freemangordonthere is another one, something 6xxxxx, which was related to branches23:01
bencohBranch Target Buffer ? that's 430973 :)23:01
bencoh657417 is
freemangordonbut both result in SIGILL, because of the wrong context23:02
bencohthey're both funny as an external spectator ... I guess they're awful to debug :]23:02
bencohoh, ok23:02
bencohthat's even more vicious :]23:03
KotCzarnyvicious delicious23:05
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infobotmaemo-flashing is, like,, or - on linux PC - download&extract, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh23:24
DocScrutinizer05^^^ slightly updated (option to flash rootfs only)23:25
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