IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2015-04-30

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sixwheeledbeastVajb: KotCzarny: firing up Qt is what's going on there then I would say. However, the bug link before is for another bug, pre-FOSS clock-ui.00:52
sixwheeledbeastkrbtgt_: I don't believe there are "recommended" mirrors. KEYEXPIRED has been an issue for years.00:56
krbtgt_still, there's the held back packages (libgcc, libsdl, libcurl, libstdc++)00:58
krbtgt_i want to make sure nothing goes wrong before i install CSSU00:58
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sixwheeledbeastwe where talking about image-viewer before, oddly I just stumbled upon this QML code
sixwheeledbeastkrbtgt_: I don't believe installing CSSU is possible without the packages from the repo.01:04
krbtgt_i did find a working mirror01:05
krbtgt_i just need to know what should be done with held back packages01:06
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sixwheeledbeastmeh, dependency hell welcome to Maemo.01:25
krbtgt_so just go with it?01:27
sixwheeledbeastI would say not, you have to be careful with Maemo and dependencies. HAM is recommended way to install packages.01:29
infobotfrom memory, ham is Hildon Application Manager.  Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does, or see ~speedyham01:29
infobotrumour has it, hamvsfam is, or
krbtgt_hmmm, i ran the anbler and it said errors occured - i think with pinning.01:45
krbtgt_also, it reset my mirror repo to the default down nokia ones (?)01:46
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krbtgt_fighting ham02:28
krbtgt_i can't edit the broken nokia repo - i can edit it from sources.list.d, but HAM will have none of that02:30
pentanolhi there, someone know repo for mihphoto?02:37
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krbtgt_i can't control-v/backspace in HAM02:40
pentanolkrbtgt_ ctrl+v or ctrl+bsp doesn't work?02:48
krbtgt_i'm trying to replace the nokia repo with the mirror02:48
pentanolwhen nokia bootups did you chose englich or not?02:48
krbtgt_i can edit the .list file but HAM tells it to fuck off and replaces it with its own02:48
krbtgt_the keys work everywhere else02:48
krbtgt_i know because i just used them in MicroB/xterm02:49
pentanolhow did you edit .list? with vim?02:49
pentanolwhy not just copying02:49
pentanolprepare ready .list and copy02:50
krbtgt_ham ignores .list and trying to paste the repos into HAM won't work as it won't let me paste02:50
pentanolkrbtgt_ do you know some image viewer for n900 with zoom support?02:59
krbtgt_the stock one - use the volume buttons03:00
pentanolI need photos viewer, not video03:02
krbtgt_it views pictures03:02
pentanolthat's it03:03
krbtgt_fighting ham is something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy03:12
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krbtgt_i'd prefer to do this upgrade over HAM but with it blowing away the mirror it's pretty hard03:33
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KotCzarnykrbtgt_: maybe you have installed some packages from other repos and now you have conflicts09:33
KotCzarnyinstead of fighting in ham try apt-get way09:34
KotCzarnyin the worst case you might try removing them or forcibly installing via dpkg09:34
KotCzarnywell, otherwise just backup and flash stock image09:37
KotCzarnymight be faster09:37
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KotCzarnyor maybe already prepared cssu or cssu-thumb image if there is such thing09:49
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freemangordon_bencoh: did you play with maemo-launcher? any result?10:31
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bencohfreemangordon_: havent tried it yet11:02
freemangordon_time is ~550 with   QGuiApplication *gui... commented, vs ~290 with those 2 lines uncommented on my laptop11:07
freemangordon_going to try on the device11:08
freemangordon_bencoh: on device it is ~880 vs ~960, using QCoreApplication (seems there is no QGuiApplication in qt4.7)11:21
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freemangordon_bencoh: by using   QApplication, time is reduced to ~220, but there are some UI artifacts11:23
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freemangordon_oh, wait, actually those are not artifacts :)11:24
bencohso ... it means we'd save at most 10% by writing a qt launcher ?11:26
bencohor am I missing something ?11:26
KotCzarnysave 10% time but lose part of memory?11:27
KotCzarnyso it will slow rest of the system?11:27
freemangordon_960 vs 220 is not 10%11:27
freemangordon_if I remember what math is :P11:27
bencohoh, 960 vs 22011:27
KotCzarnyyou wrote 960 vs 88011:28
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bencohI see :)11:28
freemangordon_KotCzarny: read it again, please11:28
KotCzarnyright, missed it too11:28
freemangordon_but it seems creating qapplication twice, leads that the "real" application is started with GTK style, instead of maemo style11:29
bencohnow wait, isnt precisely why it seems to be running "faster" ?11:30
freemangordon_bencoh: look at the code11:31
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bencohyeah I'm reading it (10:30am, I should be fully awake ...)11:32
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freemangordon_this is the latest11:33
bencohnow that's different :)11:33
freemangordon_see where is QTime::elapsed qDebug()'ed11:33
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bencoh(before widgets get drawn ?)11:35
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zGrrmoin :)11:44
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freemangordon_dammit, the wifi I am connected to drives me mad, it disconnects every now and then :(11:51
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bencohhmm, looks like hasnt been transfered to github (?)12:15
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bencohnor did we move maemo-af (?!)12:22
KotCzarnymaybe write a script that would check all of the components ?12:22
bencohI thought it was done already, but ...12:23
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bencohooh, that might be on ... dunno where though12:24
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bencohfreemangordon_: looks like maemo-launcher inits every booster for every app12:59
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freemangordon_that doesn't make sense13:00
bencoh    boosters_init(boosters, prog.argv[0]);13:00
bencohin the child (after fork and before launch_process)13:00
bencohand boosters_init loops on ... well, the boosters chained list13:00
freemangordon_do we have problem with that?13:01
bencohdunno, maybe13:01
freemangordon_i doubt, after all there should not be n=much work done in that function13:01
bencohif we add a qt booster, gtk apps would init a qt env as well13:01
bencohdunno how long it takes13:01
freemangordon_wait, what is "qt env"?13:02
freemangordon_it is init *before* fork13:02
freemangordon_once , not for every program. that is the whole point13:02
bencohpreinit is launched once and for all13:02
bencohinit is done for every program13:02
bencohI dont know what should go there for qt13:02
freemangordon_instantiating a QApplication ;)13:03
bencohin init ?13:03
bencohyou mean preinit I guess :)13:03
freemangordon_yes, preinit13:03
bencohyeah, but what about init ? :)13:04
freemangordon_bencoh: see
bencohbooster_gtk_init sets an idler, I wonder why13:04
freemangordon_bencoh: maybe we'll need to do some hackery because of the QApplication being singelton13:05
freemangordon_or argv parsing13:05
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KotCzarnyplease check memory footprint before and after13:07
freemangordon_KotCzarny: which memory footprint? parent or child process?13:08
bencohboth I guess :]13:08
bencohshouldnt change much for the child though13:08
KotCzarnydoes that preloader keep apps in memory?13:08
KotCzarnywhen it inits them all13:08
freemangordon_it keeps libraries in memory13:08
KotCzarnyok, then check how much it stores, wouldnt help if system has to swap more13:09
freemangordon_however, /me needs some food, bbl13:09
bencohlibraries, and its own copy of initialized structures (that's the point of it)13:09
bencoh(because library objects are already taken care of by ld)13:10
freemangordon_KotCzarny: we don't really car if it swaps more, as long as apps launch faster13:10
KotCzarnybut then multitasking suffers13:10
freemangordon_suffers as in? I'd prefer to have clock-ui launched in 2 seconds instead of 6, no matter that browser in background will have 1 second delay13:11
KotCzarnyas in swapping in and out13:11
bencohactually it depends on what you're swapping13:12
KotCzarnyflash is slow13:12
KotCzarnyand i would really want more free ram than having clock ran 4s faster13:12
freemangordon_KotCzarny: also, keep in mind that more things in swap doesn't necessarily mean more lag13:12
freemangordon_KotCzarny: wrong, you don;t need free RAM13:13
freemangordon_what you need is used memory ;)13:13
bencohlet's say a page with only memleaked structures gets swapped ... you'll never try to access it, so it's not an issue (apart from eating swap)13:13
bencohbut if you happen to access a variable in this page ... you're doomed13:13
bencohyou'll keep swapping back and forth13:13
freemangordon_what we need to do is to check launcherd mamory usage *before* and *after* qt booster13:14
KotCzarnyi dont mind swapping on pc, but on n900 flash wears out13:14
KotCzarnythat is also a concern to me13:14
bencohwell then, swap on microsd ;)13:14
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KotCzarnyisnt microsd unmounted when usb connects?13:15
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bencohnot exactly13:19
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freemangordon_KotCzarny: what is unmounted, is what was previously mounted. swap is never mounted14:20
KotCzarnybut if i undestand how it's shared, WHOLE card is shared as a single block device, so any partition cant be used14:26
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freemangordon_KotCzarny: no, at least in CSSU, only the first fat partition is exported14:28
KotCzarnythat has positive and negative sides14:29
freemangordon_but you have no problems if swap is on uSD14:29
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freemangordonbencoh: "Apr 30 18:23:14 Nokia-N900 maemo-launcher[16457]: opening of /usr/bin/worldclock.launch took 644745 usec " :)18:37
freemangordonstill no qt accel though18:37
freemangordononly gtk and cpp18:37
bencohwell I have a patch here but havent tried it18:37
freemangordonwhat for?18:37
bencohqt accel in maemo-launcher18:38
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bencohI dunno why I have a strange error when including QMaemo5Style so it's commented out for now18:39
freemangordonwhat error?18:39
freemangordonbtw i made a similar patch to yours, without actual code though18:40
freemangordonwith only enabling qt-booster18:40
freemangordonbencoh: you're missing a lot of defines18:41
bencohI looked at the gtkmm-booster, it doesnt do anything in preinit18:41
bencohoh okay18:41
bencohI've never used QMaemo5Style, so ... :)18:41
bencohor do you mean, Qt defines ?18:42
freemangordonsee the trickery I did
freemangordonyeah, I know18:43
bencohqmake yay .... :)18:43
freemangordonbut did not find other way to get platform qmake defines18:43
bencohI might be missing -DQT_GUI_LIB -DQT_CORE_LIB18:43
freemangordonand several others :)18:43
bencohthink so ? dunno18:44
freemangordonI am sure18:44
KotCzarnyhacking software - ultimate geek game18:44
bencohtbh I dont really like qt, so ... ;)18:44
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freemangordonthat's just an example18:45
freemangordontbh I like it :) (qt)18:45
KotCzarnylooks like a lot of libs being loaded18:46
freemangordonok, lets try with qt booster18:47
freemangordon"Jan  2 06:15:48 Nokia-N900 maemo-launcher[2099]: opening of /usr/bin/worldclock.launch took 110321 usec"18:52
freemangordonok, lets see what will happen if we have qapplication instance :)18:53
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freemangordonbencoh: qmameo5style error can be workarounded if you change the header files order :)19:18
bencohmeh :(19:19
freemangordonhmm, ok, qith qapplication in booster-qt, hildon-desktop won't start :D19:23
bencohI was afraid of that19:34
freemangordonrescueos to the rescue :)19:36
bencohwooops, silly bug. "yeah" :)19:36
bencohmaybe we should fork another maemo-launcher with qt only19:37
freemangordonhmm, why?19:38
freemangordonwill only waste resources19:38
freemangordonit will need gtk and cpp boosters as well19:38
sixwheeledbeastdid someone say fork?19:38
freemangordonooh: "Maemo applications must be run with the script!"19:42
freemangordon"maemo-launcher: opening of /usr/bin/worldclock.launch took 71228 usec"19:46
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bencohwait, what ? 71ms ?20:30
bencohfreemangordon: what did you change ?20:30
bencoh(to make hildon-desktop start)20:30
freemangordondisabled qt booster, then started maemo-launcher from terminal (with qt booster enabled)20:35
freemangordonto achieve those 71 ms20:35
bencohoh, okay20:35
bencohand the 110321 usec was with qtbooster but without qapplication in preinit() ?20:36
freemangordonbut actually it is qcoreapplication now20:36
bencohand 644745 usec with cpp ?20:36
freemangordonotherwise bad things happen20:36
bencohoh, sad ... okay20:36
freemangordonwell, 71 is not that bad20:36
bencohit's great20:37
freemangordonactually the UI appears in 1.5s20:37
bencohbut 110321 isnt bad either, if hildon-desktop works20:37
bencoh1.5s vs ... ?20:37
freemangordonbut with some more smoke and mirrors... it will look great :D20:37
freemangordonvs 3-520:37
KotCzarny110321 is 0.1s20:37
bencohyeah we know that20:37
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KotCzarnydrat, those changing contexts20:38
bencoh1.5s is the perceived time between "click on icon" and "woohoo, window popped" I suppose20:38
freemangordonbencoh: I guess you can check the vs by symply starting worldclock :P20:38
freemangordonbencoh: yes20:38
bencohfreemangordon: cssu-stable here ;)20:38
bencohit's blazing fast20:38
freemangordonhow fast?20:39
bencohlemme see20:39
bencohwhere do you run it from ? hildon-status-menu ?20:39
freemangordon"clock and alarms"20:39
bencohhm more than 2sec I'd say20:39
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bencohmaybe not that fast :)20:39
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bencohyeah a bit more than 2sec20:40
freemangordonhow much? 2s?20:40
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freemangordonKotCzarny: cssu on your device?20:40
bencohdid you rebuild worldclock ?20:41
KotCzarnynope, stock20:41
freemangordonyes, ofc20:41
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freemangordonbencoh: BTW, is UI responsive right after it appears?20:41
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freemangordonor you are presented a screenshot?20:43
bencohit's responsive20:43
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bencohI dont think I've ever seen a "screenshot"20:46
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keriowhat's a decent jabber client that's not Contacts?20:59
bencohpidgin ?20:59
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sixwheeledbeastI like how jabber works with Contacts TBH.21:36
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krbtgt_it's probably one of the few mobile OSes to do IM right21:43
krbtgt_(along with webOS)21:43
krbtgt_SMS, Skype, XMPP, Facebook convos all with one consistent UI21:43
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bencohfreemangordon: btw, when I said "cssu-stable" I was implying I'm still using stock worldclock ... dunno if that was clear :)22:04
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KotCzarnywhat i dislike about n900 is low battery situations22:28
KotCzarnyjust now i didnt check battery level and received a call, obviously it turned itself off after few secs22:28
KotCzarnybut now it cant turn on unless charged for how long?22:28
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KotCzarny1-2 mins is not enough22:29
freemangordonKotCzarny: replace your battery22:29
KotCzarnynope, its not that22:29
KotCzarnythat situation is since i got it22:29
KotCzarnywhen battery was brand new it behaved same way22:30
freemangordonit is, unless you've been warned a couple of thimes that your battery is low22:30
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freemangordonhow old is that battery?22:30
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KotCzarnyi probably was, but phone was unused whole day22:30
infobotKotCzarny meant: it probably was, but phone was unused whole day22:30
freemangordonso? how old is the battery?22:31
KotCzarnyso 'battery low' was probably displayed, just didnt get a chance to see it22:31
KotCzarny2009 ?22:31
freemangordonoh, sure, it is not the battery ;)22:31
KotCzarnyi get solid 5-6 days of standby still22:31
freemangordonKotCzarny: you're aware that internal battery resistance increases with time?22:32
freemangordonstandby does not matter22:32
KotCzarnyyes, but still im talking about something else22:32
freemangordonso, when you receive a phone call, with that increased resistance, the voltage drops bellow emergency shutdown level.22:32
KotCzarnyim not talking about powering off, because most likely it was already at the red bar22:33
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KotCzarnyim talking about trying to turn it on22:33
ShadowJK_I can turn it on instantly after attaching charger22:33
KotCzarnyand mind you, it was the same story even when new22:33
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freemangordonShadowJK_: me too22:33
freemangordonpolarcell here, ~1 yo22:34
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KotCzarnyapparently it stops chargine on reboot/boot22:34
KotCzarnyand powerkernel boots twice22:34
KotCzarnyand yellow light turn off during boot22:35
freemangordonKotCzarny: trust me, just replace your battery. with powercell, ~1600 mAh22:35
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freemangordonKotCzarny: bootloader charges up to a threshold(voltage), after which it boots the linux kernel.22:35
KotCzarnynah, if i'll be replacing i will get double cap one22:35
KotCzarnyalready got the cover22:36
freemangordonbut because your battery is with decreased capacity, it can;t hod until bme is started22:36
freemangordonShadowJK_: correct? ^^^22:36
KotCzarnywhy cant it just run on charger power?22:36
KotCzarnydroid can22:36
KotCzarnyand i think its the reason why n900 cant run without battery22:37
freemangordonbecause n900 *does not* know what tpe of charger it is attached to22:37
freemangordonbefore bme runs22:38
ShadowJK_Electrically it can run without battery, though not on 2G unless you sit right next to celltower22:38
KotCzarnyShadowJK_: you can turn on n900 without battery?22:39
ShadowJK_It turns on, software sees battery is missing, and turns off ;)22:39
KotCzarnyand another thing that irks me is usb port on the top (when talking)22:50
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bencohpolarcell <323:35
bencohbut they're 1500mAh, not 1600mAh ... at least for mine23:35
freemangordonmine is > 1600, if we should trus bq chip23:38
bencohlucky :)23:38
bencohbq says ~1490-ish23:38
KotCzarnylast measured discharge on mine is 118523:53
freemangordonKotCzarny: oh, just like a new battery :)23:54
KotCzarny- internal resistance23:54
KotCzarnybut yes, quite a lot after 6 years for a liion23:54
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