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| pentanol | hi there | 10:08 |
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| pentanol | could someone suggest app for image viewing? | 10:08 |
| pentanol | I need make pictures bigger sometimes when I look on it and default app can't make this. | 10:09 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Is there much call for an image viewer on Maemo? Sounds like a nice little project for someone. | 10:43 |
| KotCzarny | i have one, but unreleased | 10:44 |
| KotCzarny | can view png,jpg,gif(animated),bmp,xpm,pdf etc | 10:45 |
| KotCzarny | as usual, fast and convenient | 10:45 |
| KotCzarny | and low on dependencies | 10:45 |
| KotCzarny | and tiff | 10:51 |
| KotCzarny | and most likely any other format if i ever need one | 10:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | KotCzarny: FOSS? | 11:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | If there's a good one in the repos I won't look into a Qt one. | 11:02 |
| Wizzup | feh? ;) | 11:02 |
| KotCzarny | swb: free, yes, but havent' decided if oss | 11:03 |
| Wizzup | not sure if it is worth mentioning then ;) | 11:03 |
| KotCzarny | and no qt/gtk dep | 11:03 |
| KotCzarny | wizzup, have you tried my oscp player? | 11:03 |
| KotCzarny | i wrote one because no other player was able to do everything i needed media player to do | 11:05 |
| KotCzarny | and the way i wanted | 11:05 |
| KotCzarny | same story with that pic viewer | 11:05 |
| Wizzup | I only install (f)oss, so ind if it is, but I probably didn't | 11:06 |
| Wizzup | I don't use my n900 vor animated media | 11:06 |
| Wizzup | for* | 11:06 |
| KotCzarny | wizzup, yeah, tell me about your foss device drivers | 11:06 |
| KotCzarny | wizzup, everyone who tried oscp liked it | 11:07 |
| Wizzup | that is irrelevant, I don't need it | 11:07 |
| KotCzarny | just saying about 'worth mentioning' argument | 11:08 |
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| Wizzup | if it is not foss, I am not interested | 11:08 |
| Wizzup | that some drivers are currently closed is not relevant either | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, but as i said, your device contains closed binaries anyway | 11:08 |
| KotCzarny | its either 100% foss or is irrelevant | 11:09 |
| Wizzup | not at all | 11:09 |
| Wizzup | that's quite black-and-white | 11:09 |
| KotCzarny | and even then, silicon can have 'bugs' | 11:09 |
| Wizzup | so? | 11:09 |
| KotCzarny | so your argument is invalid | 11:09 |
| Wizzup | my argument is being twisted into oblivion by you | 11:10 |
| KotCzarny | not at all | 11:10 |
| Wizzup | lmao | 11:10 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: closed "core"/base blobs vs closed third-party apps | 11:10 |
| Wizzup | have a good day | 11:10 |
| KotCzarny | you cant have 99.9% foss | 11:10 |
| KotCzarny | it's either 100% or your device (might be|is) already owned | 11:10 |
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| Wizzup | This has nothing to do with owned | 11:11 |
| Wizzup | point in case, misrepresenting my argument | 11:11 |
| Wizzup | my device is already owned by the shm closed modem | 11:11 |
| KotCzarny | point in case of being too vague in argumenting | 11:11 |
| Wizzup | hahaha | 11:11 |
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| bencoh | Wizzup: not on n900 | 11:13 |
| bencoh | sixwheeledbeast: maybe we can build something on top of sxiv or feh (both in extras-devel) | 11:13 |
| bencoh | they're quite lightweight | 11:14 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 11:29 |
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| Openbot | sixwheeledbeast kotczarny image viewer on maemo is apita i exclusively use fcam mostly just for the shake of imageviewer as that is lightning fast | 12:12 |
| bencoh | fcam is "lighting fast" only because it loads the pre-scaled thumbnail in the RAW file | 12:14 |
| Openbot | downside is images are in the range of 10.6 mb each so much space is wasted but still when showing photos to someone it just works | 12:14 |
| bencoh | until you start zooming on a few photos | 12:15 |
| Openbot | bencoh zooming is fast too but uninitutive | 12:15 |
| bencoh | it will slow down after a few pictures | 12:15 |
| Openbot | takes a sec or so to zoom | 12:15 |
| KotCzarny | are we talking about cam app or pic viewer? | 12:15 |
| bencoh | pic viewer | 12:16 |
| Openbot | na i am using it for long no slow downs here | 12:16 |
| bencoh | but Openbot brough fcam up | 12:16 |
| bencoh | (and yeah, it's not a picture viewer :) | 12:16 |
| Openbot | kotczarny pic viewer | 12:16 |
| Openbot | i hate to call the stock photo viewer a photo viewer | 12:17 |
| Openbot | its nice but switching through photos is a pain | 12:17 |
| Openbot | kotczarny i think you should release your app someday | 12:19 |
| Openbot | maybe its nice | 12:19 |
| KotCzarny | it is | 12:19 |
| Openbot | i dont believe | 12:19 |
| KotCzarny | just i dont have time/motivation to pack it into a deb (as usual) | 12:19 |
| Openbot | dont get offended but there are heck a lot but all a pita | 12:20 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 12:20 |
| KotCzarny | thats why i wrote my own | 12:20 |
| Openbot | my god | 12:20 |
| Openbot | i choose softmeng as career | 12:21 |
| Openbot | typo | 12:21 |
| Openbot | soft engg | 12:21 |
| Openbot | lol | 12:22 |
| Openbot | what features your app has ? does it intregate with system can it be set as default viewer | 12:23 |
| KotCzarny | define 'integrate' | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | because most integration is done via assigning filetype | 12:24 |
| Openbot | i.e ability to share images | 12:24 |
| Openbot | via sharing plugins | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | never needed one, could be written if one needs | 12:24 |
| Openbot | aha | 12:25 |
| Openbot | little editing features ike cropping brightness contrast resizing | 12:25 |
| KotCzarny | same | 12:26 |
| KotCzarny | its a picture viewer, not editor | 12:26 |
| KotCzarny | but given enough need, can be easily done | 12:26 |
| Openbot | sure but they are essential and its for granted in most image viewers | 12:27 |
| KotCzarny | no, they are essential for camera app | 12:28 |
| KotCzarny | pics are already prepared | 12:28 |
| Openbot | camera app ?? | 12:28 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, if your source material is 'raw' | 12:28 |
| Openbot | na fcam also saves jpg | 12:29 |
| KotCzarny | if you download pictures from internet, they are usually already 'done' | 12:29 |
| Openbot | and as you brought up it should show raw files too | 12:30 |
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| KotCzarny | no, i meant raw as taken from angle or badly prepared scene | 12:30 |
| Openbot | you dont get it what if i want to crop a part then upload or just increase the contrast so that loolks pretty on device | 12:31 |
| Openbot | aha | 12:31 |
| KotCzarny | as i said, you usually edit/share pics taken by yourself via cam | 12:31 |
| KotCzarny | picture viewer is for viewing generic pictures/images | 12:32 |
| Openbot | humm you are going jpg vs raw | 12:32 |
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| Openbot | ok leave raw behind | 12:32 |
| Openbot | :p | 12:33 |
| KotCzarny | no, as i said, it was about raw source, not raw as .raw | 12:33 |
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| Openbot | clarify pls i dont get a word ? | 12:33 |
| pentanol | Im still looking for pictures viewer with zoom support. | 12:34 |
| KotCzarny | oscv has zoom support | 12:34 |
| Openbot | i am not talking something like gimp just things like which are present in stock viewer | 12:35 |
| Openbot | oscv nice name | 12:35 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, it started from osc app | 12:35 |
| Openbot | humm | 12:35 |
| KotCzarny | which is a simple oscilloscope with pixel engine | 12:35 |
| Openbot | oscp gained some traction | 12:36 |
| KotCzarny | then i just added diff formats and bam, picture viewer | 12:36 |
| KotCzarny | oscp is a audio player | 12:36 |
| Wizzup | feh does all this | 12:36 |
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| Openbot | i am lisining on oscp now too | 12:36 |
| Wizzup | and is fast and lightweight | 12:36 |
| Openbot | feh ? | 12:36 |
| KotCzarny | picture viewer | 12:36 |
| bencoh | feh isnt that fast on n900, but it's "good enough" | 12:37 |
| Openbot | let me check where on mother earth is that | 12:37 |
| bencoh | and it's not really touchscreen friendly, unfortunately | 12:37 |
| Openbot | humm | 12:37 |
| Openbot | kotczarny download fcam take some shots swipe up and try scrolling fast | 12:39 |
| Openbot | you will feel it | 12:39 |
| KotCzarny | feel what? | 12:39 |
| pentanol | KotCzarny in what repo oscv exists? | 12:39 |
| Openbot | switching speed of pics i.e fastest on maemo | 12:39 |
| Openbot | i am waiting for oscv | 12:40 |
| Openbot | to change that | 12:40 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:41 |
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| Openbot | also does it open fast like stock viewer | 12:42 |
| bencoh | stock viewer "opens fast" because it runs in the background | 12:42 |
| Openbot | but pls intregate sharing functions as found in stock viewer | 12:42 |
| bencoh | like the browser, or the rtcom UIs | 12:42 |
| Openbot | preload stuff u mean | 12:43 |
| bencoh | yeah you can call that "preloading" | 12:43 |
| Openbot | my netbook got a speed boost after installing preload demon | 12:44 |
| pentanol | KotCzarny could you give a link to oscv? | 12:45 |
| Openbot | pentanol its unreleased | 12:45 |
| Openbot | and no torrents for noe ?p | 12:45 |
| Openbot | next if only someone adds flash support and terrible shutter lag in fcam as explaind in garage | 12:48 |
| Openbot | my n900 would fly | 12:48 |
| Openbot | high | 12:48 |
| bencoh | the shutter lag is a tough one | 12:48 |
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| bencoh | as explained on the fcam documentation, it's because of the resolution switch handling in the v4l drivers | 12:49 |
| Openbot | i don't know i read it coudnt get a thing but there are poeople who know better | 12:49 |
| bencoh | so you'd need to either 1. patch the underlying v4l drivers, or 2. use max res for the preview shots | 12:50 |
| bencoh | 1. would need some work | 12:50 |
| Openbot | also if i read it correct then fixed resolution of 640 would do | 12:50 |
| bencoh | 2. would be slow (the camera cant go higher than 12fps at max res iirc) and take more memory | 12:51 |
| Openbot | memory should not be a issue if fcam perfoms well | 12:51 |
| bencoh | s/be slow/feel slow/ | 12:51 |
| infobot | bencoh meant: 2. would feel slow (the camera cant go higher than 12fps at max res iirc) and take more memory | 12:51 |
| Openbot | seriously stock app feels crap now | 12:52 |
| Openbot | stock app only used when something fast is to be shot | 12:53 |
| Openbot | and i love the image viewer too :p | 12:53 |
| Openbot | kotczarny big question is it touch friendly | 12:54 |
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| Openbot | things like cutetubes player fcams viewer are exceptional | 12:56 |
| Openbot | bye | 12:57 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | KotCzarny: Many don't use the non-free repo because they feel strongly about open software. I don't have many non-free apps. Maybe SMM10 that's it. | 14:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | There was plenty of non-free crap in Ovi which not many used, me and pichlo made 'bander' to replace 'resistors' offscreen app. | 14:17 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Touch friendly and Maemo styling would be important. Also is the stock app FOSS? Can the stock app be replaced via CSSU easily? | 14:19 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | As bencho says stock one is preloaded eating your RAM, so if it was to be replaced I would want to loose the stock one from being in memory. | 14:41 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Come to thing of it, browser being in memory would be annoying too if the browser was replaced. | 14:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast | s/thing/think/ | 14:42 |
| infobot | sixwheeledbeast meant: Come to think of it, browser being in memory would be annoying too if the browser was replaced. | 14:42 |
| bencoh | sixwheeledbeast: you can prevent both of them to be preloaded | 14:43 |
| bencoh | erm, you can prevent image-viewer, browserd is still needed for rtcom-ui* | 14:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | but they hang around if loaded? | 14:43 |
| bencoh | rtcom-*-ui | 14:44 |
| bencoh | no | 14:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ah yes I remember this now, browserd needed for call-ui | 14:44 |
| bencoh | there are a few other preloaded apps on maemo, I "disabled" a few here | 14:44 |
| bencoh | there is a single line to change/remove in the desktop file iirc | 14:45 |
| bencoh | X-Maemo-Prestarted in /usr/share/applications/hildon/*.desktop | 14:47 |
| freemangordon_ | guys, programs being "preloaded" is not that bad, as soon as RAM is needed, their executable pages are evicted | 14:56 |
| freemangordon_ | and data is swapped | 14:57 |
| bencoh | true | 14:57 |
| freemangordon_ | also, iirc, broswerd gets SIGSTOP when not needed | 14:57 |
| freemangordon_ | *browserd | 14:58 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | hmm, ok. freemangordon_ do you have an opinion on image-viewer? and how easy a replacement could drop in. if one was found/made. | 15:04 |
| KotCzarny | freemangordon_: whats the point then? more swap churning? | 15:14 |
| freemangordon_ | KotCzarny: the point is that symbol resolution would not take place when the executable is needed | 15:17 |
| KotCzarny | best way would be creating software that is slim | 15:18 |
| freemangordon_ | faster startup ;) | 15:18 |
| freemangordon_ | it is already slim | 15:18 |
| KotCzarny | slimmer! | 15:18 |
| KotCzarny | dos only needs 512kB | 15:18 |
| KotCzarny | and can run word | 15:18 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 15:18 |
| KotCzarny | well, kind of | 15:19 |
| freemangordon_ | sixwheeledbeast: if it is GTK, then it should be ok. I doubt Qt replacement will do it better | 15:19 |
| freemangordon_ | or even on par | 15:19 |
| KotCzarny | ive always perveived qt as a memory hod | 15:19 |
| freemangordon_ | it is | 15:19 |
| KotCzarny | *hog | 15:19 |
| freemangordon_ | but is waaaay easier than gtk to program with | 15:20 |
| freemangordon_ | at least to me | 15:20 |
| KotCzarny | size vs convenience | 15:20 |
| KotCzarny | on n900 its unfortunatelly size | 15:21 |
| KotCzarny | so smart apps are needed | 15:21 |
| KotCzarny | lcuk started writing his own toolkit | 15:21 |
| freemangordon_ | sixwheeledbeast: BTW, what about image-viewer? is that the last non-foss application to deal with? | 15:21 |
| bencoh | actually image-viewer isnt that slow ... it just doesnt "feel smooth" | 15:21 |
| KotCzarny | pity he didnt have a chance to finish :/ | 15:21 |
| freemangordon_ | bencoh: smooth? | 15:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Yep, I understand Qt has a lot of libs, but many packages use it anyway. | 15:22 |
| freemangordon_ | bencoh: comeon, it is not IV itself, it is the HW behind it | 15:22 |
| bencoh | freemangordon_: yeah, the UI ... you know, when you move/swipe between pictures you have this perceptible "stutter" | 15:22 |
| bencoh | maybe | 15:23 |
| sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon_: No, it was just on topic that image-viewer was pants and pretty much useless. | 15:23 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I have no idea on ~closed status | 15:23 |
| freemangordon_ | useless? | 15:23 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~closed | 15:23 |
| infobot | it has been said that closed is http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages or https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages, or http://elinux.org/N900 | 15:23 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well no features you would expect from a image-viewer. Zoom for example. | 15:23 |
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| bencoh | it can zoom but it doesnt feel natural either | 15:24 |
| freemangordon_ | wait, what? you can zoom in image-viewer. as well as rotate, crop, etc, etc | 15:24 |
| Wizzup | I doubt qt will be the main memory overhead. | 15:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | [[pentanol: I need make pictures bigger sometimes when I look on it and default app can't make this.]] | 15:25 |
| freemangordon_ | oh, you meant resize? | 15:25 |
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| Wizzup | you can zoom in | 15:26 |
| freemangordon_ | Wizzup: unless someone implements launcher for qt apps the same way as for gtk, qt applications startup times will be alwasys 2-3 times bigger than gtk | 15:26 |
| bencoh | freemangordon_: hm, how would that work, by the way (qt launcher) ? | 15:27 |
| freemangordon_ | take clock-ui for example | 15:27 |
| Wizzup | startup times are again very different from memory overhead | 15:27 |
| freemangordon_ | oh, it is the same this time | 15:27 |
| freemangordon_ | bencoh: you know maemo launcher? | 15:28 |
| freemangordon_ | applications are basically compiled as .so files | 15:28 |
| freemangordon_ | and then launcher forks, without need to load the needed libraries every time. | 15:28 |
| freemangordon_ | that saves both memory and CPU | 15:29 |
| bencoh | common libraries should already be loaded ... is it about initialization ? | 15:29 |
| freemangordon_ | yes | 15:29 |
| bencoh | is maemo-launcher opensource ? | 15:29 |
| freemangordon_ | sure | 15:29 |
| freemangordon_ | and there is even a sample Qt preloader | 15:30 |
| freemangordon_ | or whatever it is called | 15:30 |
| freemangordon_ | http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/tutorial/html/ch07.html | 15:30 |
| freemangordon_ | bencoh: https://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-launcher/source/5148012f57a924472399f11454a3780a86b8afbd: | 15:32 |
| bencoh | thx (fetched in sb already :) | 15:32 |
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| bencoh | oooh, it's supposed to be modular and support different "booster module" | 15:33 |
| freemangordon_ | :nod: | 15:33 |
| bencoh | and there is a booster_qt.c | 15:34 |
| freemangordon_ | yep, but it is empty | 15:34 |
| bencoh | which looks like a placeholder | 15:34 |
| bencoh | yeah | 15:34 |
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| bencoh | does it need anything from the app (apart from being built with correct flags ?) | 15:39 |
| freemangordon_ | no | 15:40 |
| bencoh | it looks like everything should be taken care of, but ... | 15:40 |
| freemangordon_ | just make sure it exports only main() and all other symbols are static | 15:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | so something can be done to make qt apps load faster? | 15:46 |
| bencoh | freemangordon_: do you know how the qt "launcher" on meego/HARM works ? | 15:47 |
| bencoh | they have something as well iirc | 15:47 |
| bencoh | hmm, it looks like it's just for qtquick stuff | 15:48 |
| bencoh | (qtquick/qdeclavaritve/qml) | 15:48 |
| freemangordon_ | sixwheeledbeast: yes | 15:52 |
| freemangordon_ | bencoh: no idea | 15:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hmm, ok. That would be good. | 15:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Especially now qt FOSS replacements are finally finding there way into CSSU | 15:54 |
| bencoh | yeah | 15:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast | clock-ui can take an age to load when you need to set an alarm, for example. | 15:54 |
| bencoh | I'd love it for marble ;) | 16:00 |
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| Vajb | i can confirm. I allmost fall asleep while clock-ui loads... | 17:19 |
| Humpelst1lzchen | Vajb: did you delete old alarms? | 17:21 |
| Humpelst1lzchen | never define more then half a dozen alarms, the MHz CPU can not handle more | 17:22 |
| kerio | wut | 17:22 |
| Humpelst1lzchen | aye :) | 17:24 |
| Vajb | i have one alarm which trickers at same time during week days and other which i edit for nap | 17:26 |
| Humpelst1lzchen | Vajb: active or total list? | 17:27 |
| Vajb | total list shown in ap | 17:27 |
| Vajb | is there some file where it stores those alarms? | 17:28 |
| Humpelst1lzchen | yes textfile, but don't remember the name | 17:28 |
| Vajb | but if i edit same alarm over and over again will it still save some traces somewhere? | 17:29 |
| Humpelst1lzchen | don't think so | 17:29 |
| Vajb | i think i agree. Because otherwise it would be rather funny design | 17:30 |
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| Humpelst1lzchen | check http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57598 | 17:35 |
| Humpelst1lzchen | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10707 | 17:35 |
| povbot_ | Bug 10707: Clock application is very slow to start with lots of saved alarms | 17:36 |
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| KotCzarny | lol | 17:36 |
| KotCzarny | isnt that ugly? | 17:36 |
| zGrr | who is that ugly? | 17:36 |
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| * Humpelst1lzchen has 8 alarms in arlarm_queue.ini | 17:38 | |
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| Humpelst1lzchen | thats why we need GHz CPUs | 17:40 |
| bencoh | to be able to program moar alarms ? | 17:41 |
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| Humpelst1lzchen | at least 200MHz/Alarm | 17:42 |
| KotCzarny | pound the alarm! | 17:42 |
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| Vajb | i have less than 8 | 17:45 |
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| krbtgt_ | i've been a while since i've touched my N900 - are these repos down (this is 1.3.1, no CSSU yet, want to check before i install it) http://pastebin.com/SMTw2Ujc | 19:02 |
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| bencoh | krbtgt_: they are, see talk.maemo.org | 19:38 |
| krbtgt_ | should i remove them? | 19:38 |
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| bencoh | krbtgt_: there are some mirrors (and for now you'll need one to install CSSU, until this issue is resolved) ... see TMO :) | 19:44 |
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| krbtgt_ | yeah, i just want to resolve any missing repos and held back packages before i install CSSU | 19:46 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Vajb: Humpelst1lzchen: that bug maybe unrelated to Qt. It depends what version of clock-ui you have. | 20:32 |
| sixwheeledbeast | CSSU-Testing has a FOSS Qt one. CSSU-Stable has the stock one unless you installed it as an extras package | 20:34 |
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| Vajb | sixwheeledbeast: im running on cssu-testing | 21:26 |
| Vajb | clock is perfectly usable, but it just takes some patience to use it. It starts up in less than 10 seconds i think | 21:27 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 21:28 |
| KotCzarny | 10s? | 21:28 |
| KotCzarny | what does it has to do to take so long | 21:29 |
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| merlin1991 | bencoh: I think the meego/harm launcher was even open source, but if you're interested in a fairly recent prelauncher for qt stuff I'd look into the sailfish one, it's called mapplauncherd / invoker https://github.com/nemomobile/mapplauncherd | 21:32 |
| merlin1991 | if we could adapt that to also support gtk stuff we would have a nice fancy booster package, but I think we'd have to backport MComponentCache to our Qt for that | 21:32 |
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| bencoh | merlin1991: is it a generic qt loader or just for qtquick/qml/qdeclarative ? | 22:08 |
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| krbtgt_ | what mirrors for the repos do you recommend? | 22:19 |
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| krbtgt_ | (or even better: post your HAM repo config) | 22:45 |
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| krbtgt_ | i'm using the "muarf" mirror but keys expired (is that nokia's fault or mine?) | 22:45 |
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| KotCzarny | nokia is no more | 22:48 |
| krbtgt_ | ok, now some packages are held back because mp-fremantle-generic-pr doesnt want them touched | 23:00 |
| krbtgt_ | what should be done regarding that before SSU is installed? | 23:00 |
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| krbtgt_ | should i upgrade and thus remove that package or keep the packages held back? | 23:46 |
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