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| * Maxdamantus wonders what part of the init process decides to reboot the machine after showing the Nokia logo. | 05:13 | |
| * Maxdamantus hates complicated init systems | 05:14 | |
| * Maxdamantus wishes people just wrote scripts that ran other scripts they depended on, which might do nothing if they're meant to run a daemon that's already running. | 05:14 | |
| Maxdamantus | (which is what sysvinit scripts tend to do anyway) | 05:17 |
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| Maxdamantus | er, the Nokia logo's part of nolo (or something before that) and comes before everything. | 05:21 |
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| Maxdamantus | ahah. it's working. | 05:27 |
| Maxdamantus | I guess the init system didn't like running as something other than pid 1. | 05:27 |
| Maxdamantus | stupid init systems. | 05:27 |
| ChiaSmurf | init has to be pid 1 | 05:27 |
| Maxdamantus | Why? | 05:27 |
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| ChiaSmurf | because whatever pid 1 is is init | 05:27 |
| Maxdamantus | yes, but what's the point of that concept? | 05:28 |
| Maxdamantus | why can't init just run the scripts it wants to without looking at its pid? | 05:28 |
| ChiaSmurf | well if pid 1 doesnt do something, thing nothing else can be done | 05:28 |
| Maxdamantus | and the scripts will happen to have ppid something else. | 05:28 |
| Maxdamantus | pid 1 could run the init system as another process. | 05:29 |
| Maxdamantus | and wait for the init system to finish. | 05:29 |
| ChiaSmurf | when init finishs the system stops | 05:29 |
| Maxdamantus | (which happens when the machine is meant to shut down) | 05:29 |
| Maxdamantus | yes. | 05:29 |
| ChiaSmurf | i was watching just about this conversation in slackware regarding systemd | 05:30 |
| * Maxdamantus finally allowed arch on his laptop to update to systemd and lost all understanding of what his system does. | 05:31 | |
| ChiaSmurf | i dont have any experience with systemd, so i have no opinion on it | 05:32 |
| Maxdamantus | seems to spawn agetties randomly .. couldn't figure out how to properly do something other than launch agetties. | 05:32 |
| Maxdamantus | (randomly instead of starting the precise number of [a]getty processes usually specified in /etc/inittab) | 05:33 |
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| Patras | Need Help. want to install thumb2 maemo. what exactly wont work compared to regular SSU? will I be able to install uboot? microb is just the default maemo browser right? are there any plans to upgrade the kernel to a 3.x version? | 06:57 |
| Patras | freemangordon: ^ | 06:57 |
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| n900newb | guys....this doesn't work. the wiki seems outdated and there are n-threads about seemingly the same but different. I have no idea what's going on but whatever I try it simply doesn't work. I had to reflash maemo for the 3rd time and I'm starting to get pissed. | 11:48 |
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| hxka | n900newb: What doesn't work? | 11:50 |
| n900newb | I basically want to have a uboot version capable of boot newer kernel. seem it's somehow in cssu....but there are like 5 different and I don't know wich one. what about kernel power, what's the latest version. I don't get it. | 11:52 |
| Hurrian | n900newb, kernel-power v52 is the latest version | 11:53 |
| Hurrian | it is compiled with thumb enabled, all you have to do is make it a uImage and boot it | 11:53 |
| n900newb | Hurrian: how to install and does it work with uboot? uImage, I have to compile it? | 11:54 |
| Hurrian | "sudo apt-get install u-boot-flasher kernel-power-bootimg" | 11:54 |
| n900newb | Hurrian: how to apt-get* ? I only get "locked" messages, probably because of HAM but I closed it. | 11:56 |
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| Hurrian | killall apt-worker | 11:57 |
| n900newb | Hurrian: which cssu? | 11:58 |
| Hurrian | the latest? kernel-power should work with both CSSU-Testing and Stable | 11:58 |
| n900newb | Hurrian: ok, but is this uboot also new? I want to boot recent kernel from card. | 11:59 |
| Hurrian | uboot doesn't need to be new, it almost never changes | 11:59 |
| Hurrian | the uboot that you will install is Pali's u-boot with bootmenu | 11:59 |
| n900newb | Hurrian: the apt-get line from you will install pali's u-boot? i think old uboot only booted 2.6 kernel but not 3.x | 12:01 |
| Hurrian | old uboot is Al's port, which didn't have bootmenu | 12:02 |
| Hurrian | this new uboot can boot Arch Linux ARM N900, which uses Skry's 3.x kernel | 12:02 |
| n900newb | Hurrian: ok, thanks. I'll try it. lest see if things work out. | 12:03 |
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| n900newb | ....and time to reflash.... | 12:09 |
| n900newb | guys.... | 12:09 |
| n900newb | srsly? | 12:09 |
| hxka | what? | 12:10 |
| n900newb | I only added CSSU. application manger popped up...I added catalog and...nothing. reboot, wierd artifacts in HAM busy symbol. | 12:12 |
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| Apic | What Video-recording App is there? Did not find one. | 12:12 |
| Apic | Or can one somehow make Videos with the Camera App? | 12:13 |
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| Sicelo | hehe Apic :D | 12:16 |
| Apic | That was no Joke | 12:16 |
| Sicelo | obviously the Camera does take videos. | 12:17 |
| Apic | Ok | 12:17 |
| Apic | How? | 12:17 |
| Sicelo | click the icon just under X.. that changes modes | 12:17 |
| Apic | Whoah, thanks! | 12:17 |
| Apic | Have not seen the Wood for the many Trees | 12:17 |
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| Sicelo | n900newb: show us a screenshot of the artifacts | 12:18 |
| Sicelo | but CSSU alone shouldn't break your device | 12:19 |
| n900newb | Sicelo: just reflshed but I'm sure I'll see them again on my next try. | 12:19 |
| n900newb | Sicelo: I have no Idea what's wrong. clicked cssu link, added catalogs and expected cssu updater but nothing. | 12:21 |
| n900newb | Sicelo: no further updates. | 12:21 |
| Sicelo | about kernel.. you trying to boot Maemo with a new kernel? quick answer, not possible. detailed answer, if you really know what you're doing, you might be able to, but not everything might work | 12:21 |
| Sicelo | if you just want the kernel for booting alternate OSes, then uboot should do just fine | 12:21 |
| n900newb | Sicelo: memo with kernel power but newer kernel from sd. (i didn't even install kernel power yet) | 12:22 |
| Maxdamantus | what elements make it not possible to use a newer kernel atm? | 12:22 |
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| Maxdamantus | I think I noticed the PowerVR interface changed slightly, which meant the Xorg (particularly the included fbdrv) didn't work with it. | 12:23 |
| Sicelo | memo with kernel power but newer kernel from sd << for kernel power, you don't need uboot.. | 12:23 |
| Sicelo | Maxdamantus: the kernel used in maemo is obviously highly patched, and some of those patches aren't so easy to forward-port.. | 12:24 |
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| n900newb | Sicelo: uboot for sd booting? no? | 12:25 |
| Maxdamantus | it looks like a lot of it has been done, just not all of it's in Linus' tree yetp. | 12:25 |
| Sicelo | yes, of course. | 12:26 |
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| Sicelo | anyway, if you want full details, people like freemangordon, pali, etc, will be able to explain with better detail (a lot of the work is being done by them btw) | 12:27 |
| Sicelo | n900newb: for SD booting, Yes. why would you put kernel-power there however :p | 12:27 |
| n900newb | Sicelo: forget it. I'm seriously not in the mood to get trolled. I really wi | 12:29 |
| Sicelo | hmm | 12:29 |
| Sicelo | i wonder which part is trolling.. | 12:29 |
| n900newb | Sicelo: shed you guys would do things a bit more professional or at least logical. | 12:30 |
| Sicelo | i'm telling you that you don't need uboot to use kernel power. that's a fact | 12:30 |
| Sicelo | just as it is a fact that you will not boot Maemo with any kernel other than 2.6.28, unless you're a kernel hacker | 12:31 |
| Sicelo | and these things are things I personally have tried, so I'm not just repearting something I read on some obscure blog | 12:32 |
| chem|st | n900newb: he was more curiouse why you have the kernel-power installed to the sdcard | 12:33 |
| n900newb | chem|st: did I say that? no. what's wrong with you guys? | 12:34 |
| chem|st | n900newb: calm down bitch! he misunderstood and asked and you go all like "bitches don't troll me" seriously you should reconsider how you ask for help if you cannot even bare with a little misunderstanding! | 12:35 |
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| Ashley` | lol | 12:37 |
| chem|st | to much breaking bad^^ | 12:38 |
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| chem|st | bitch | 12:38 |
| Maxdamantus | Bleh. What's running fsck on /home? | 12:39 |
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| Maxdamantus | too much random unorganised stuff in this init setup. | 12:39 |
| * Maxdamantus needs to just write some scripts to start everything instead. | 12:39 | |
| n900newb | chem|st: evey thread I tried until now, every how-to and wiki entry is fucked up. it's like you guys REALLY don't want someone "new" to use stuff. nothing works. that's basically it. from my point of view you're trolls or some kind of wannabe elite "we keep things and dont tell". | 12:40 |
| chem|st | n900newb: the how to reflash your device properly and the how to install cssu are down to a level even my sister came through so dont tell me shit! | 12:41 |
| chem|st | the kernel-power and how-to boot another system from sdcard are also down to a level you just need to copy and paste and exactly do what is told | 12:42 |
| chem|st | if one of these does fail you you either have a type in some of the cmdline stuff, did not read to the end before you started | 12:43 |
| chem|st | or try to do something the how to was not ment for by trying to do something and do partially what is asked in the how to | 12:44 |
| n900newb | chem|st: no, and I just stopped to care. I congratulate you for having a community full of dicks and assholes. | 12:45 |
| Sicelo | hmm | 12:45 |
| chem|st | if you did flash properly and did nothing else but tried to install cssu-stable/testing from the install link on maemo.org you probably have malfunctioning hardware | 12:46 |
| chem|st | n900newb: wtf is wrong with you? even after you start bitching we still try to help you... | 12:46 |
| Maxdamantus | bah, even when there's no /home entry in fstab, something's still fscking /home | 12:48 |
| n900newb | chem|st: how, in saying I can't probably read or my hardware is broken? eh, great help. when actually was the last time you actually tried one of your "instructions"? | 12:48 |
| chem|st | everything you are looking for is on wiki.maemo.org down to step by step guides | 12:48 |
| n900newb | chem|st: no it's not | 12:48 |
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| Sicelo | i already told you i followed them. and therefore have been successfully able to boot debian, and arch | 12:49 |
| n900newb | Sicelo: doesn't work | 12:49 |
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| Sicelo | which instructions are you following.. exact link please | 12:50 |
| chem|st | n900newb: ok what are you looking for? | 12:50 |
| chem|st | Sicelo: exactly | 12:50 |
| chem|st | n900newb: if you copy and paste things from the wiki you sometimes get a double dash converted to a long-dash by the browser so you end up doing -blow-me instead of --blow-me | 12:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n900newb: I think you kinda need to readjust your mood and communication | 12:54 |
| n900newb | chem|st: answer my qustion first, when was the last time you actually tried it yourself. exactly like in the instructions from a fresh flash? | 12:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n900newb: nobody here owes you anything! | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n900newb: do you think you will get more help when you act ike an asshat? | 12:55 |
| chem|st | n900newb: the last I tried is this http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 | 12:55 |
| chem|st | and it did not change like ever | 12:56 |
| chem|st | if you had a corrupted device you need to flash fiasco-> emmc-> fiasco again | 12:57 |
| chem|st | but that you learn while doing it if it was corrupted | 12:57 |
| Herbstbert_ | I can't believe he will try it once again… | 12:58 |
| chem|st | Herbstbert_: try what | 12:58 |
| n900newb | chem|st: did I say I wasn't able to flash? no. It's kind of amazing, the level of bad trolling here. Do you really hate (new) n900 user that much? | 12:58 |
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| Herbstbert_ | chem|st: There you have the answer. ;) | 12:59 |
| *** DocScrutinizer05 sets mode: +q n900newb!*@* | 12:59 | |
| chem|st | n900newb: you claim all howtos do not work | 12:59 |
| chem|st | next one I did is I installed cssu-stable, worked | 12:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n900newb: please think an hour about your own attitude | 12:59 |
| chem|st | then I updated to testing worked | 12:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody but you is trolling here | 12:59 |
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| chem|st | I installed nitdroid, worked | 13:00 |
| Herbstbert_ | chem|st: He won't try to behave like a guy who wants to be helped. | 13:00 |
| chem|st | Herbstbert_: no he does not | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now he behaves | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 13:00 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: don't | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | remind me to -q in an hour or so | 13:01 |
| chem|st | n900newb: now which howto does not work? so we can try and fix the howto and actually help your bitching ass | 13:01 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: lift it or kick him but don't silence | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your wish to my order | 13:02 |
| chem|st | isnt q quiet? | 13:02 |
| Herbstbert_ | ^^ | 13:02 |
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| chem|st | thanks | 13:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | up to you to find a way to keep the chan temperature low | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~question | 13:04 |
| infobot | i heard question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 13:04 |
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| Ashley` | 12:04:09 <DocScrutinizer05> up to you to find a way to keep the chan temperature low | 13:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course that advice is futile for tl;dr dudes | 13:04 |
| Ashley` | chem|st: so you need to... | 13:05 |
| chem|st | n900newb: behave or leave (or you be made leaving) | 13:05 |
| Ashley` | keep the channel COOL | 13:05 |
| Ashley` | awwww yeah | 13:05 |
| * chem|st puts a fan in the channel | 13:05 | |
| chem|st | cool enough? | 13:05 |
| Maxdamantus | I think what we need is an endothermic reaction. | 13:08 |
| n900newb | chem|st: like I said, it already fails at cssu. I did install cssu before today, there it worked but updating fails. basically I had to flash a few times because things gone wrong. it's not my fault I didn't read wrong and my hardware isn't broken. that's why I asked when did you try it yourself the last time. | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what we need are lusers reading http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html and experts acting as catalysts | 13:09 |
| chem|st | n900newb: I installed cssu stable the last time I released it... | 13:11 |
| chem|st | on a freshly flashed device | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and that's damn sure Standard Operating Procedure | 13:11 |
| n900newb | chem|st: okay, but in stable is not the new uboot, or is it? | 13:12 |
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| Ashley` | n900newb: i did installed cssu testing this month, on a freshly flashed device | 13:13 |
| Ashley` | without any problems. | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU and uBoot are totaly unrelated | 13:13 |
| n900newb | ashley: which test | 13:13 |
| Ashley` | whut? | 13:14 |
| n900newb | Ashley`: misstyped | 13:14 |
| Ashley` | cssu-testing | 13:14 |
| Ashley` | latest | 13:14 |
| Ashley` | (it was latest then :v) | 13:14 |
| chem|st | n900newb: as doc said, uboot is not part of cssu | 13:15 |
| n900newb | DocScrutinizer05: did you read anything I wrote before and what I was trying to achive? | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 13:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your tone is too offensive | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and reading anything you psted doesn't change the facts | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU and uBoot are unrelated | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so to answer your question: no, in CSSU is not new uBoot | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I doubt that answer left you any wiser | 13:18 |
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| n900newb | allright, I give up. you people really get to me. I really can't difference if your that stupid or simply can't stop trolling. I simply assume you broke stuff intentionally, and want to keep it that way. I have now Idea for what reason. You are simply sad people on various levels. Seems I have to compile everything from source again, because your stuff is useless. | 13:24 |
| n900newb | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, now you can ban me, because I really think you're an asshole. | 13:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm pretty sure you have a sufficient amount of general unix/linux knowledge but you fell for the mean trap of applying that to maemo | 13:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your wish is my command | 13:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | pretty sad case of totally misguided loser | 13:27 |
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| Herbstbert_ | Pretty good example for wasted time. | 13:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 13:28 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 prolly should check "special: recent edits" on wiki now | 13:32 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: +q is quiet, -q is unquiet | 13:52 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: was just asking if I am correct with quiet | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | useful link: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: when will community inherit ownership to "maemo" name, so we can sort irc GC? | 14:03 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: no idea, nokia is unresponsive atm, there were only two minor issues left but they did not get back to us | 14:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | or is the plan to keep IRC management at x-fade? | 14:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I could *try* to sort that based on our de-facto ownership of maemo.org services, but I'd prefer to go the more straight way and provide a contract proof of us owning the maemo namespace | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas for irc not even a channel move (e.g. to ##maemo) is an option, since we can't apply forwards or similar administrative stuff to most of the #maemo* channels | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen x-fade | 14:18 |
| infobot | x-fade <~xfade@d5152FFD8.static.telenet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 574d 22h 25m 11s ago, saying: 'ZogG_laptop: ?'. | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2014-02-26 13:18:25] [Notice] -NickServ- Last seen : Dec 07 02:04:54 2012 (1 year, 11 weeks, 4 days, 10:13:31 ago) | 14:18 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 pukes a little on the datetime format | 14:19 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good reason to have a more readable plain text explanation in parenthesis ;-) | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Dec0702:04:542012+0400 ;-P | 14:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't see x-fade being too much involved in even migration#1 | 14:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and it's not like migration#1 went unnoticed by techstuff and particularly me | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | techstaff even | 14:25 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders which channel x-fade used to rise any concerns during M#1 | 14:26 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, futile | 14:26 |
| FIQ | x-fade is subject to dropping | 14:27 |
| FIQ | if that happens, this channel cease to exist | 14:28 |
| FIQ | that would be a mess | 14:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not exactly, but almost | 14:29 |
| FIQ | well | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually we're in a stall already | 14:29 |
| FIQ | register is ceased | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | channel would lose Founder | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, not afaik | 14:29 |
| FIQ | the channel doesn't literally disappear | 14:29 |
| FIQ | hmm sure? | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I never investigated that | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mompls | 14:30 |
| FIQ | perhaps the 2nd highest with access would be able to ask for assistance if needed | 14:31 |
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| FIQ | in #freenode I mean | 14:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | freenode staff won't drop the nick :-) | 14:39 |
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| Mike77 | hello | 17:13 |
| Mike77 | help needed with extra assistant | 17:13 |
| Mike77 | i'm uploading the files .changes .dsc and .tar.gz | 17:14 |
| Mike77 | but ends with this error message | 17:15 |
| Mike77 | Step 4: check uploaded files Checking your files: File upload error. (tar file) Please try to upload your packages again! | 17:15 |
| Mike77 | maybe a problem the tar.gz file is around 5MB ? | 17:16 |
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| merlin1991 | Mike77: yep that could be the problem, try using scp /dput | 17:25 |
| Mike77 | ok, thanks | 17:29 |
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| nokiabot | still 12 hour left downloading 900mb from 3+days :>> | 18:10 |
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| nokiabot | kill me | 18:11 |
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| hxka | kill `pidof nokiabot` | 18:24 |
| Mike77 | error when uploading via scp | 18:24 |
| Mike77 | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset), LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "it_IT.UTF-8" are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). This is a restricted account. | 18:24 |
| nokiabot | hxha:? | 18:26 |
| hxka | nokiabot: you asked to kill you. It was a stupid joke, I'm sorry. Also it's `hxka' | 18:29 |
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| nokiabot | hxka:lol i thought it was some kind of command | 18:32 |
| nokiabot | how far a 900mb file can be compressed? | 18:33 |
| nokiabot | where are you ddddddddddddddddddddddddd | 18:34 |
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| t3st3r | [20:34:06] <nokiabot> how far a 900mb file can be compressed? <- depends on file nature. | 18:39 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 ponders doing a test with a 100MB of zeroes | 18:46 | |
| nokiabot | hkxa:a 1gb iso compressing possiblity | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still depends on content entropy | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 1GB os identical bytes still is probably not larger than 1kB | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after compression | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for a ballpark figure: on syslogs we see compression factors of 10:1 to 20:1 | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes higher | 18:48 |
| nokiabot | ubuntu can be compressed to? | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | everything can get compressed (except of mere random noise which can't) | 18:50 |
| nokiabot | random noise= | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cat /dev/random | 18:51 |
| nokiabot | any damage in file after severe compression | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it has nothing you could compress, every single byte is mere 100% info | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | .s/info/data/ | 18:52 |
| nokiabot | should i kill you or should you kill me? | 18:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | eh? | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ran into problem with "cat /dev/random" ? | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^c plus a blingly typed "reset" will fix any problems | 18:55 |
| nokiabot | i dont know much about commands lol | 18:56 |
| nokiabot | it seemed i was speaking with a guy from space | 18:57 |
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| nokiabot | can you compress lubuntu and upload it somewhere | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, why not | 18:58 |
| nokiabot | really? | 18:58 |
| nokiabot | sad day got 69% in hons test paper | 19:00 |
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| nokiabot | he should be nuked | 19:00 |
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| antithesis | Yesh, you guys | 19:01 |
| antithesis | My Nokia N900 came in the mail today | 19:02 |
| antithesis | What are the first things I should do with it? | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reflash | 19:02 |
| hxka | Update the firmware & install CSSU-thumb | 19:02 |
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| nokiabot | antithesis: reflash | 19:02 |
| nokiabot | antithesis: first get a good data recovery program and look what you get | 19:04 |
| nokiabot | then reflash:D | 19:04 |
| nokiabot | DocScrutinizer05> sure, why not? | 19:05 |
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| nokiabot | dos1:hello | 19:06 |
| antithesis | Where can I find the latest firmware? | 19:06 |
| antithesis | The links on http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Linux_PC are taken down | 19:06 |
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| freemangordon | antithesis: search on talk.maemo.org. there are a couple of links | 19:08 |
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| antithesis | freemangordon hey, I just googled and landed on a forum post by you! | 19:09 |
| freemangordon | by me? hmm, weird, I don;t remember posting on firmware threads :) | 19:10 |
| antithesis | Nah, something different | 19:10 |
| antithesis | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84829 | 19:10 |
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| freemangordon | ooh, yes | 19:10 |
| freemangordon | antithesis: install it after reflashing your device | 19:11 |
| freemangordon | just to be sure - flash both rootfs and emmc | 19:12 |
| nokiabot | http://www.cpkb.org/wiki/Nokia_N900_RX-51_firmware_data_package_download couple of active links | 19:15 |
| antithesis | nokiabot Still nothing newer than 2010 | 19:16 |
| antithesis | It says on this device it has 21.2011.38.1 | 19:16 |
| antithesis | * 21.2011.38-1 | 19:16 |
| freemangordon | antithesis: this is (unreleased) pr 1.3.1 | 19:17 |
| freemangordon | it contains just a couple of security fixes which are included in cssu | 19:17 |
| nokiabot | pr1.3 is latest ater that ota update | 19:17 |
| freemangordon | nokiabot: no, tere is pr 1.3.1 FW image, but it is not officially relesed | 19:17 |
| antithesis | So I'm good and I can install the CSSU stuff now? | 19:18 |
| freemangordon | sure | 19:18 |
| freemangordon | is that a new device? | 19:18 |
| freemangordon | I doubt | 19:18 |
| nokiabot | freemamgo:ok:> | 19:18 |
| freemangordon | if it is not new, you'd better reflash it, to clean up the possible mess left by the previous owner | 19:19 |
| freemangordon | that will save you lots of trouble in the future | 19:19 |
| freemangordon | nokiabot: try with <tab> next time :) | 19:19 |
| nokiabot | ok your name ws way too bi | 19:20 |
| nokiabot | g | 19:20 |
| freemangordon | use <tab> key to autocomplete | 19:20 |
| nokiabot | got it dear freemangordon:> | 19:21 |
| nokiabot | DocScrutinizer05: | 19:24 |
| antithesis | I'm just so excited that I can finally fit Debian in my pocket :) | 19:24 |
| * Apic 2 | 19:24 | |
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| freemangordon | antithesis: well, keep in mind this is not *exactl* debian, besides of ots roots | 19:26 |
| freemangordon | antithesis: a major difference is for example - use HAM whenever possible, not apt-get | 19:27 |
| antithesis | If I can use apt-get on it, it's Debian to me | 19:27 |
| antithesis | oh | 19:27 |
| antithesis | lol | 19:27 |
| freemangordon | well, not that qpt-get won;t do the job | 19:28 |
| nokiabot | apt get is awsome | 19:28 |
| antithesis | sudo apt-get awesome | 19:28 |
| freemangordon | shit, what's with my typing skills today :( | 19:28 |
| freemangordon | no sudo | 19:28 |
| freemangordon | you have to install "rootsh" package | 19:28 |
| nokiabot | sudo gainroot? | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | and either do "sudo gainroot" or (better) "root" | 19:29 |
| hxka | to configure sudoers | 19:29 |
| hxka | and then remove rootsh | 19:29 |
| hxka | :P | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | hxka: hmm, why is that? | 19:30 |
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| freemangordon | I mean - what is wrong with rootsh? | 19:30 |
| hxka | 1) It's cludge | 19:30 |
| nokiabot | The program 'root' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: | 19:30 |
| nokiabot | sudo apt-get install root-system-bin | 19:30 |
| freemangordon | nokiabot: do you have rootsh installed? | 19:31 |
| hxka | 2) It's a major security hole: any software can gain root access | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | fair enough | 19:31 |
| nokiabot | i tried it on ubuntu | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | oh | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | nokiabot: this ir rootsh specific | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | *is | 19:31 |
| nokiabot | humm | 19:32 |
| nokiabot | any major cssu update coming | 19:32 |
| freemangordon | hxka: did you try foss mce? | 19:32 |
| freemangordon | nokiabot: speedyham, etc, look at cssu-devel thread to adjust your expectations | 19:33 |
| hxka | freemangordon: maybe | 19:33 |
| antithesis | I don't get it. Do I need to install a different architecture for cssu-thumb? | 19:33 |
| freemangordon | no | 19:33 |
| freemangordon | it is still armel | 19:33 |
| nokiabot | cssu is kinda intresting i may get a lab rat again:D | 19:34 |
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| hxka | freemangordon: no, I haven't tried it | 19:34 |
| freemangordon | antithesis: read the OP of that thread you posted a link to ^^^ | 19:34 |
| nokiabot | freemangordon: that thread is marked:D | 19:34 |
| freemangordon | hxka: for some reason I was thinking you usually act as a guinea pig :) | 19:35 |
| freemangordon | thus my question | 19:35 |
| nokiabot | n900 1s a bad phone | 19:35 |
| freemangordon | n900 is not a phone, it is a mobile computer :P | 19:36 |
| freemangordon | on the other hand I am using it as my *only* phone for the last 4 years | 19:36 |
| freemangordon | so I guess it should be good enough for doing basic "mobile phone" stuff | 19:36 |
| nokiabot | yup i cannot suffice with one it will be banged i must get 2:< | 19:37 |
| freemangordon | hurry up, while there are still devices for sale | 19:37 |
| freemangordon | in good condition that is | 19:38 |
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| antithesis | phones _are_ mobile computers. | 19:38 |
| antithesis | They have processors | 19:38 |
| antithesis | They compute. | 19:39 |
| nokiabot | yeahm just abit short on savings so \ after exams | 19:39 |
| hxka | By that definition even battery controller is a computer | 19:40 |
| nokiabot | thats the only phone that lived upto my expectation | 19:40 |
| hxka | So N900 is actually a computer network :) | 19:40 |
| nokiabot | it has ir so its a remote | 19:41 |
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| nokiabot | freemangordon: why no visualy appealing changes in cssu | 19:42 |
| nokiabot | its 2014 a bit refresh would be refreshing | 19:43 |
| hxka | error: undefined condition `visually appealing' | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hxka: check ~jrtools | 19:44 |
| nokiabot | antithesis: any of the links working | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and do NOT remove rootsh | 19:44 |
| hxka | DocScrutinizer05: I've seen it | 19:45 |
| antithesis | I'm currently in the process of installing CSSU-thumb | 19:45 |
| hxka | Why? | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because this will give you headache eventually, by other packages reinstalling it | 19:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so you better keep rootsh after fixing it | 19:46 |
| nokiabot | hxka: slightly tweaked icons colours etc not imp stuff | 19:46 |
| freemangordon | nokiabot: change your theme, there are lots of choices | 19:47 |
| freemangordon | cssu is not about that ;) | 19:47 |
| nokiabot | DocScrutinizer05> sure, why not? | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 19:47 |
| infobot | somebody said jrtools was http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 19:48 |
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| nokiabot | freemangordon: i know:> but a bit reversible changes can suffice i think:> | 19:49 |
| hxka | http://paste.ubuntu.com/7000999/ oh my god | 19:55 |
| hxka | Speaking of themes, I recommend theme-incredibly-uninspired-blocky-and-dull | 19:57 |
| nokiabot | hxka: yep i was using it | 19:57 |
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| antithesis | freemangordon why should I avoid apt-get? | 20:03 |
| freemangordon | antithesis: because HAM do more things | 20:04 |
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| antithesis | But it doesn't have the same application available | 20:05 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~hamvsfam | 20:05 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, hamvsfam is https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-28.log.html#t2013-10-28T10:44:33 | 20:05 |
| freemangordon | like what? | 20:05 |
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| * sixwheeledbeast is loving speedyHAM ;) | 20:06 | |
| freemangordon | antithesis: the HAM acting like snail will be history once the new cssu-testing is out | 20:07 |
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| freemangordon | or you can upgrade it now from cssu-devel, if you know what you're doing | 20:07 |
| nokiabot | speedy ham must be a joke | 20:12 |
| freemangordon | nokiabot: hmm? | 20:12 |
| freemangordon | why joke? | 20:12 |
| nokiabot | ham earned its fame from its slowness | 20:13 |
| freemangordon | that slowness is in the history, install the one from cssu-devel and you'll see | 20:14 |
| hxka | freemangordon: is it only hildon-application-manager package? | 20:14 |
| nokiabot | i must get it quik | 20:14 |
| freemangordon | hxka: for speedyham? yes | 20:14 |
| freemangordon | iirc | 20:14 |
| hxka | I installed it and it still takes him a couple of minutes to open catalogues | 20:15 |
| hxka | Not half an hour though, that's the progress :) | 20:15 |
| nokiabot | major upgrade freemangordon: | 20:16 |
| nokiabot | is there preload kind of thing in maemo | 20:17 |
| nokiabot | preload works great in my system | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could we get a second speedyHAM with new name (HAMtoo?), and with all catalog lists in distinct files that don't interfere with HAM? | 20:18 |
| nokiabot | i believe unused ram=wasted ram | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nokiabot: in maemo a lot of stuff already *is* preloaded | 20:19 |
| freemangordon | hxka: shouldn't take a couple of minutes | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you don't want any RAM hog to this list | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: with extras-devel and extras-testing and cssu-* ? | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and 3 or 4 alterative/auxilary repos? | 20:20 |
| freemangordon | hxka: here it takes 9 seconds from clicking on the HAM icon, to opening the window with "all, Network..." | 20:20 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: lemme check what I have enabled | 20:21 |
| nokiabot | nope, the update should be dubbed as feature pack 1 :D and please dont give ideas for double package 1 is better it should be improved soley | 20:21 |
| freemangordon | onle extras-devel is not emabled here | 20:21 |
| freemangordon | *only | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I bet some userst stll have skeiron repos in addition to original ones | 20:21 |
| hxka | freemangordon: catalogues as in repository catalogues, not packages | 20:21 |
| freemangordon | hxka: sorry, can't get you. you mean that updating catalogues takes a couple of minutes? | 20:22 |
| hxka | No, opening the lists | 20:22 |
| freemangordon | or opening the applications list? | 20:22 |
| freemangordon | hmm | 20:22 |
| nokiabot | cssu update should fix peoples messy repos | 20:22 |
| hxka | opening the catalogues list | 20:23 |
| freemangordon | lemme enable extras-devel and recheck | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nokiabot: NO! | 20:23 |
| hxka | I have default ones, extras-devel, cssu-thumb and -testing and awish | 20:23 |
| nokiabot | DocScrutinizer05: why NO | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because | 20:23 |
| freemangordon | hxka: with extras-devel disabled it takes 9 seconds here | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you messed it up, we won't clean up for you | 20:24 |
| freemangordon | device OC to 805 | 20:24 |
| nokiabot | DocScrutinizer05: ihad a tough time figuring repo thingy | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nokiabot: when I got my catalogs set, I don't want some idiot 'fixing' it for me | 20:24 |
| nokiabot | DocScrutinizer05: thats bad thought | 20:25 |
| hxka | It opens in 7 seconds now, not oc | 20:25 |
| freemangordon | hxka: see :) | 20:25 |
| hxka | dunno, what happened | 20:25 |
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| freemangordon | with extras-devel enabled, ain't? | 20:25 |
| hxka | yes | 20:25 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: ^^^ | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 20:26 |
| hxka | freemangordon: great work | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 20:26 |
| nokiabot | DocScrutinizer05: those who can set can reenable them again:> | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nokiabot: or they can kiss my ass | 20:26 |
| freemangordon | 15 seconds here with extras-devel enabled | 20:26 |
| freemangordon | hxka: could be some background activity messing it up here | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those who can mess up can fix them again:> | 20:27 |
| nokiabot | DocScrutinizer05: you got a ass? what purpose? | 20:27 |
| freemangordon | anyway, down to 10-15 seconds from 5-6 minutes is pretty much ok IMO | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | factor 35 | 20:29 |
| freemangordon | I think I can strip another 3-7 seconds, but will leave that for the next iteration | 20:30 |
| nokiabot | DocScrutinizer05: buddy it can help people with outdated bad illconfigured repos to enjoy the device a banner about disabling can ease the pro users:> | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nokiabot: general policy is that we won't forcefeed stuff to users. And for sure not when they intentionally deliberately set something we no way will "fix" that | 20:32 |
| trx | freemangordon got a changelog somewhere? | 20:33 |
| trx | what was so slow? | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | third time such crap "fixed" my setting and makes me reconfigure everything again according to my needs, you damn sure know I gonna pick up my M-134 and gonna hunt the one who did that | 20:33 |
| freemangordon | trx: sure, on gitorious, wanna link? | 20:33 |
| trx | yeah | 20:33 |
| freemangordon | 2 commits: | 20:34 |
| freemangordon | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager/commit/088b7fc8e6f73b7708b2d2b1945b0d5c5497cc38 | 20:34 |
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| freemangordon | hmm, actually 3 :) | 20:35 |
| nokiabot | DocScrutinizer05: got it :> so a checkbox kind of thing at he time of installation can suffice for affeted devices i think | 20:35 |
| freemangordon | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager/commit/35c6a3a8ce524ab91a6b87fb48db94c0501fdcd2 | 20:35 |
| freemangordon | and https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager/commit/35239b6494c89208fa29af3d33793f510b83c17a | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nokiabot: that's a discussable proposal | 20:35 |
| freemangordon | trx: the major problem was that package_record object created every now and then without a need | 20:36 |
| trx | :D | 20:36 |
| freemangordon | and that was leading to apt cache reset/init every time | 20:36 |
| freemangordon | for evey package in the cache | 20:36 |
| freemangordon | imagine :) | 20:36 |
| trx | haha | 20:36 |
| trx | nice job :) | 20:37 |
| freemangordon | wouldn't say, that shouldn;t have been needed in the first place | 20:37 |
| freemangordon | anyway, I'm afk, ight guys | 20:38 |
| freemangordon | night even | 20:38 |
| trx | night | 20:38 |
| nokiabot | DocScrutinizer05: thanks when and where is the right place to tale out the matter:> | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, #maemo-ssu ? | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or just here and now? | 20:39 |
| nokiabot | DocScrutinizer05: oh just the next tab :p | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | build a package that checks and asks and installs the needed catalogs, and then suggest it for CSSU | 20:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actually I suggested a "sanity checker" package long ago | 20:42 |
| nokiabot | if only i could,not every one can so there are people who are happy helping same as there are people who knowingly peck others| | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that checks a configurable update-able list of settings and conditions on N900, on user's discretion either once or by every boot time, or on interactive invocation | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we had a similar thing to check: supl.nokia.com# | 20:44 |
| nokiabot | thats overburdening it seems | 20:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and there are others: make sure no crappatches installed, make sure no dangerous I2C kernel module, etc pp | 20:45 |
| nokiabot | at boottime? it may eat up a sec | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | omg! | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you can't spare that second, you don't enable "[ ] check at boottime" | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw you can defer execution at boottime | 20:47 |
| nokiabot | yeah was just gonna suggest that damm battery pach speedpach | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just like trackerd does | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's actually pretty simple and already supported in hildon genuinely | 20:48 |
| nokiabot | typos all over it will take a bit time:> | 20:48 |
| nokiabot | and a checkbox for visual enancements | 20:50 |
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| nokiabot | what about a thread maybe i gather a mob :> | 20:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, go ahead | 20:51 |
| nokiabot | DocScrutinizer05: can you upload that lubuntu compressed when you have time | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry what? | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't touch buntkuh! | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~buntkuh | 20:53 |
| infobot | buntkuh is probably http://xkcd.com/424/ ... Redmond, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holstein-Rind | 20:53 |
| nokiabot | what do you use | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prper linux ;-P | 20:54 |
| nokiabot | proper linux i assume | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nothing a Mr Shuttleworth commercialized for his own benefit | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and ruined it during the process | 20:55 |
| nokiabot | i booted arch the first day only to know i am not up to it | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | arch is probably a poor man's hacker linux | 20:56 |
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| nokiabot | using ubuntu to figure out things | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bad choice. Like using basic to learn coding | 20:57 |
| nokiabot | what should i use then | 20:57 |
| nokiabot | i dont like pulling up a gui for euerything | 20:58 |
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| nokiabot | maybe someday i will get to guiless | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a year or two ago some user was overly grateful when I suggested to give http://software.opensuse.org/131/en a try | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's considered one of the better closer to commercial grade distros | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not the last thanks to SLES | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, thanks to YaST | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://activedoc.opensuse.org/book/opensuse-start-up/part-i-installation-and-basics | 21:01 |
| nokiabot | thought about that earlier but gave ubuntu a try it was popular but unity is like ********************************** | 21:02 |
| hxka | Last time I checked opensuse that compiled oxygen only as window decoration, not qt theme | 21:03 |
| nokiabot | i can install and use things atleast | 21:03 |
| hxka | s/that/they/ | 21:03 |
| infobot | hxka meant: Last time I checked opensuse they compiled oxygen only as window decoration, not qt theme | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://activedoc.opensuse.org/book | 21:04 |
| nokiabot | DocScrutinizer05: you crazy ? how can i download that 4+gb | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do you need to? | 21:06 |
| nokiabot | didnt get it | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what are you talking about? | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | go for >> | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Network | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Downloads the installation system and all packages from online repositories. | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Suitable for installation or upgrade.<< | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | will only download what you actually need | 21:08 |
| nokiabot | maximum network speed here is 20kbps lol | 21:09 |
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| nokiabot | can that 4gb be compressed | 21:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know a source for compressed images | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I however think that netinstall is using compressed diffs | 21:14 |
| nokiabot | humm i am intrested in the 4gb let me get some ideas to get it | 21:14 |
| nokiabot | thanks | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 20kbps nevertheless is unbearable | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even for netinstall | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | will take weeks I guess | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you could try and use torrent to download the 4GB | 21:15 |
| nokiabot | which favour would you suggest for a netbook | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | torrent clients are great at resuming | 21:15 |
| nokiabot | yep it will take a week | 21:15 |
| nokiabot | iknow | 21:16 |
| nokiabot | but i tend to use the old uc trick in firefox to join files | 21:17 |
| nokiabot | i dont tend tend to use a dextop i use my netbook for all | 21:18 |
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| nokiabot | thanks to srky for his suggession on hw compatiblity | 21:19 |
| nokiabot | or else powervr would have been a nightmare | 21:20 |
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| nokiabot | you there | 21:23 |
| nokiabot | 7+hours battery life is something to trade with octacores of useless power for casual use | 21:27 |
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| Mike77 | problems uploading to Autobuilder? | 21:30 |
| Mike77 | scp always trowing error this is a restricted account | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please pester merlin1991 or freemangordon | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or xes or warfare when they happen to lurk | 21:33 |
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| nokiabott | . | 21:34 |
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| antithesis | freemangordon I installed the "Linux Kernel for Community SSU" from HAM | 21:55 |
| antithesis | Was I supposed to do that? | 21:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | err, not really | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I actually wonder which fool named that package | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or is that the bleeding edge stuff with fixes? | 22:05 |
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| antithesis | Oops | 22:07 |
| antithesis | Oh well, it's installed now | 22:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | as long as your stuff still boots ;-) | 22:07 |
| antithesis | Yeah, it does | 22:08 |
| antithesis | I had some resolution problems just now but after a reboot it works again | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | great, then you prolly don't need to worry much | 22:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | though I suspect you'd be better off with KP52. at least you KNOW which kernel you're running then | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I also suspect the this CSSU kernel is just a KP52 | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that* | 22:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ask freemangordon | 22:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | err you did | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-S | 22:10 |
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| antithesis | :) | 22:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what does uname -a give you? | 22:12 |
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| Mike77 | pinged them. lets see if autobuilder come back alive | 22:12 |
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| antithesis | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-cssu3 #1 PREEMPT something something | 22:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, might be the thumb kernel | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc | 22:22 |
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| FIQ | <freemangordon> and either do "sudo gainroot" or (better) "root" | 22:24 |
| FIQ | question | 22:24 |
| FIQ | why is "root" better? | 22:24 |
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| antithesis | Because it's shorter | 22:32 |
| ShadowJK | also gives you root environment | 22:33 |
| ShadowJK | (equivalent of 'su -') | 22:33 |
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| FIQ | oh ok | 22:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | "sudo gainroot" == "su", "root" == "su -" | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though... I seem to recall that eventually changed | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | let's ee | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | let's see | 23:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so far so good: http://privatepaste.com/da0c2b1bf3 | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: confirmed: http://privatepaste.com/dba2bb863e | 23:06 |
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| antithesis | Okay, so I've installed CSSU-thumb | 23:29 |
| antithesis | Are all the applications I install from now on the ones from the thumb repos? | 23:29 |
| freemangordon | antithesis: no | 23:30 |
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| antithesis | So how does it work? | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | you have ABI compatibility | 23:32 |
| freemangordon | just your system takes less memory for executable code | 23:32 |
| freemangordon | read that thread OP dammit :) | 23:32 |
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| antithesis | I did | 23:37 |
| antithesis | I just didn't understand it :) | 23:37 |
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| freemangordon | what exactly you don't understand? | 23:38 |
| freemangordon | most of the instructions take 2 bytes instead of four | 23:39 |
| freemangordon | so for the same code you need 30-40% less RAM | 23:39 |
| freemangordon | as simple as that | 23:39 |
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| antithesis | And what I just installed is a kernel that makes it so that those instructions are used more efficiently? | 23:41 |
| freemangordon | no, it makes it possible to use them at all withoug getting SIGILL all over the place | 23:41 |
| freemangordon | ~cssu-thumb | 23:42 |
| infobot | methinks cssu-thumb is <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb | 23:42 |
| antithesis | SIGILL? Is that like regular ill, but worse? | 23:42 |
| freemangordon | http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/ARM_ERRATA_430973.html | 23:42 |
| freemangordon | NFC what regular oll is, but SIGILL mean "illegal instruction" | 23:43 |
| freemangordon | *ill | 23:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | antithesis: without thumb-enabled kernel running thumb binaries will make your programs abort with error | 23:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | antithesis: not all your programs are thumb code now, only those that already got converted to thumb | 23:50 |
| antithesis | DocScrutinizer05 but where do I get these thumb binaries? | 23:50 |
| antithesis | Which ones are? | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then ones in cssu-thumb repository | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the ones* | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno how many programs already got ported to cssu-thumb | 23:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon can give you a link where you can check | 23:52 |
| antithesis | But how do I make it default to that repos if a package is available from there? | 23:52 |
| antithesis | Or is that already taken care of? | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 23:52 |
| antithesis | kk | 23:52 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: only bb-power is in -thumb repo | 23:52 |
| freemangordon | OMG | 23:53 |
| freemangordon | dammit | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the howto lacks some entry level explanations on how that stuff works | 23:53 |
| freemangordon | I forgot to thumb-compile the latest version :( | 23:53 |
| freemangordon | I-dont won't be happy with me :) | 23:53 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: which howto? | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? I thought stuff like microb also got thumbified | 23:54 |
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| freemangordon | yes, so what? | 23:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [2014-02-26 22:52:56] <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: only bb-power is in -thumb repo | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what now? | 23:54 |
| freemangordon | "I dunno how many programs already got ported to cssu-thumb" | 23:55 |
| freemangordon | microb is not a prt of "programs" it is a system package | 23:55 |
| freemangordon | *part | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OMG | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, it's a sequence of characters | 23:55 |
| freemangordon | also, there is changelog, which describes what has bee thumb-compiled for every version | 23:56 |
| freemangordon | here http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597&postcount=1 | 23:56 |
| freemangordon | at the end of the post | 23:56 |
| freemangordon | sure, it is not in a nice table, but I still have only 24 hour per day :) | 23:57 |
| freemangordon | *hours | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you have a deficiency in your ability to adjust your vocabularity to your peer | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I rather use the term "program" than "system package" when talking to somebody who asks "what's SIGILL?" | 23:59 |
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