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solofighthello all - earlier when i asked for a simulator for maemo they told me about a project which runs like a virtual box - but i found this for my n900 http://www.samontab.com/web/2011/01/how-to-create-your-first-application-for-the-nokia-n900-using-qt/06:56
solofightwhy cant i use this ?06:56
solofighti want to build an application to see the accelerometers raw data06:57
solofightis there an app which already does this ?06:57
robbiethe1stum... I'd check if there's a device file you could cat06:57
robbiethe1stbeing linux and all06:58
robbiethe1stOr a dbus thing you can get it out of via shell script06:58
robbiethe1sthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGoUOKLGNbE06:58
robbiethe1stta-dah06:59
solofightrobbiethe1st: :) thank you07:00
robbiethe1stLinux rocks!07:00
solofight:)07:01
solofightrobbiethe1st: is ssh the only way to look at the file contents ?07:01
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robbiethe1stUh...07:02
robbiethe1sthuh?07:02
robbiethe1stYou've got a N900, right? so you've got the terminal app07:03
robbiethe1stSo you can see the values locally07:03
robbiethe1stOr build a Python application to use them. Or a shell-script, depending on what you need07:03
robbiethe1stI'm not sure what you're trying to do.07:03
robbiethe1stIf you just want to see the raw values, what that video's showing is probably fine. No need for ssh(remote access), you can do it all locally07:04
solofightrobbiethe1st: i want to record the accelerometer data in a file  and store it - thats it for phase 1 :_07:04
solofight:)07:04
solofightrobbiethe1st: understand thank you07:04
solofightrobbiethe1st: is there any app you know of that map these values as a graph or something ?07:05
robbiethe1stI do not know. there's an app called 'altitude' or something like that; it's like a bubble-level07:05
robbiethe1stand you can watch the 'horizon' change as you move the device07:06
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jogahttp://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-02-25-microsoft-appoints-stephen-elop-to-head-xbox10:24
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ruskiejoga, great... maybe he'll nuke that as well10:28
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* DocScrutinizer05 wonders how many more "apps" using accelerometer will get "invented"10:33
DocScrutinizer05there must be roundabout two dozen already10:33
DocScrutinizer05@ solofight, robbiethe1st: how about http://maemo.org/packages/view/liqacceltests/10:36
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hxkaWho needs apps?10:48
hxkawhile tr " " , </sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord >>accelerometer.csv; do sleep 1; done10:48
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DocScrutinizer05depends on what you want to see10:58
DocScrutinizer05and for your solution I have a hard time figuring the actual sampling rate ;-)11:00
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DocScrutinizer05the sleep 1 is maybe fine for very rough guesstimation if the hw works11:01
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hxkawell, gnu sleep supports decimal fractions such as 0.111:06
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hxkaStock busybox doesn't, though11:07
DocScrutinizer05right, but that still doesn't create a reliable pace11:07
DocScrutinizer05while sleep 1; do date; done11:07
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DocScrutinizer05will show a drift caused by execution times adding on top of the 1000ms pause11:08
DocScrutinizer05and particularly for accel you often rather want sample freq of 10 or 50 or even 400Hz, depending on what you're actually interested in. And then the execution time is significant compared to a e.g. sleep 0.002511:10
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DocScrutinizer05(not in messybox) hail gnu-coreutils11:16
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DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# sleep --version11:17
DocScrutinizer05sleep (GNU coreutils) 8.411:17
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# echo $PATH11:18
DocScrutinizer05/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin/gnu:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin/gnu:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X1111:18
* DocScrutinizer05 suddenly starts to wonder if that's correct, or rather first *all* sbin paths, only then *all* bin paths11:19
DocScrutinizer05IOW shouldn't /sbin override /usr/local/bin?11:20
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DocScrutinizer05(not that it's a commonly encountered problem)11:21
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int_uaHi, what's the command  to check the last time a user was seen here?11:22
int_ua~seen joerg_rw11:22
infobotint_ua: i haven't seen 'joerg_rw'11:22
int_uaDocScrutinizer05,  I'm fine, thanks :)11:33
int_uaDocScrutinizer05,  I was guarding hospitals mainly, with rare exceptions11:34
MaxdamantusI don't think /sbin and /bin precedence are usually assumed over /usr/sbin and /usr/bin11:34
int_uaDocScrutinizer05,  trying to  make a site to gather all stories and translate them in English11:34
Maxdamantusthe distinction is usually that programs in /bin and /sbin are only meant to refer to libraries in /lib and so are suitable for use in scripts that run before /usr is mounted or something.11:35
DocScrutinizer05int_ua: hi! :-) glad to hear you're fine!11:35
int_uaDocScrutinizer05,  ^_^11:35
DocScrutinizer05int_ua: ooh, and congrats!11:35
SAiFDoc was really concerned abt you..   I saw Doc asking for you a lot of times. :D11:36
Maxdamantusthough I can see some violations of that in some binaries Gentoo has put in my /bin11:36
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Maxdamantusonly two.11:36
SAiFhaha..  :D   may be11:37
SAiFoops11:37
DocScrutinizer05int_ua: good luck! a hard time is ahead of you all11:38
int_uaDocScrutinizer05,  yeah, thanks a lot11:39
int_uaDocScrutinizer05,  SAiF, I don't know about your local media, but there are a lot of misinformation here, especially in social networks. Information was was fierce. In short: right now it's safe in Kiev. Thanks again for  your concern.11:43
int_uas/Information was/Information war/11:43
infobotint_ua meant: DocScrutinizer05,  SAiF, I don't know about your local media, but there are a lot of misinformation here, especially in social networks. Information war was fierce. In short: right now it's safe in Kiev. Thanks again for  your concern.11:43
DocScrutinizer05I think our info here in Germany is not all that filtered/biased11:44
jaska\o/11:44
DocScrutinizer05the TV reports in particular are not based on internet and/or Ukraine mass media, we got our own reporters there11:46
DocScrutinizer05so except a internet photo showing a sniper on a roof, I don't think I've seen lot of stuff that might be tainted by any local group's biasing11:47
DocScrutinizer05I'm most concerned about Putin and the Georgia plot right now11:50
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DocScrutinizer05and about Krim11:51
DocScrutinizer05I so much hope that EU will shut up and pass over a fraction of the money they spent for saving banks during last years - without starting to put up insane conditions (like for Greece) right away11:53
DocScrutinizer05s/put/set/11:54
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: I so much hope that EU will shut up and pass over a fraction of the money they spent for saving banks during last years - without starting to set up insane conditions (like for Greece) right away11:54
int_uaDocScrutinizer05,  well,  I personally don't really care about Krim. I think that even if Russia will start a war it will happen only in some years. Maybe this summer. And anyway it will be very unwise and unlikely.11:58
int_uaDocScrutinizer05,  AFAIU the main problems is not money but energy. Most part of Ukrainian industry depends on Russian gas. Ok, leaving now, thanks again for your support ^_^12:01
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DocScrutinizer05yes, gas is 80% subsidized by government, I heard12:05
DocScrutinizer05so it will go 5 times the price now12:06
DocScrutinizer05and government kitty is empty, so all social expense will be very hard to sustain: pensions, healthcare, and so on12:07
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DocScrutinizer05as well as payment for all "employees" of authorities12:08
DocScrutinizer05not sure about Krim, but to me it seems there's a lot of Russians living there, and those are not exactly happy now and already start asking for Russian military intervention, also going militant themselves. I emphasize that's what I *think* is going on there, the data on that isn't very confirmed12:11
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int_uaDocScrutinizer05,  yes, that's exactly what is going on. They are being misinformed a lot too. In particular they mostly don't know that Ukrainian nationalist were only a fraction of protesters turning smaller and smaller every time government started violence. There are at least one anarchist that died , a friend of my friends. And a lot of others with very different opinions.12:22
int_uaDocScrutinizer05,  BTW, that anarchist was from Krim.12:23
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DocScrutinizer05int_ua: I feel with you.12:49
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DocScrutinizer05extremists taking over a broad public movement is a very common and severe threat to all such movements. See for example muslim brothers12:52
DocScrutinizer05and it's difficult to exclude those groups and isolate them, so they don't taint the whole movement12:53
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int_uaDocScrutinizer05,  yeah, totally agree13:05
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Maxdamantus(note that anarchism isn't necessarily an unreasonable stance to take)13:48
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DocScrutinizer05Maxdamantus: anarchism is not bad per se, it's what the term's meaning became over time that's kinda perverted14:15
zGrrmoin :)14:16
DocScrutinizer05I never cared but maybe that is the best prove my friends are right when they call me an anarchist14:17
RaimuLots of movements have had a redefinition of their name into meaning something crappy14:17
RaimuO at least different14:17
DocScrutinizer05see "hacker"14:17
RaimuYes14:17
RaimuExactly14:17
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RaimuAlso vandal, goth, feminist even14:17
Raimu"Socialist" for the USA14:17
zGrrProblem with the anarchism is, that worst kind of scum gets into power on the back of the anarchists and their noble ideas.14:18
RaimuThis tends to happen no matter what good cause14:19
VeggenzGrr: Same as communism, really. Not bad ideas, but noone has actually got the ideas implemented right.14:19
VeggenWho can disagree that everyone should work and partipate according to their ability, and in return get stuff and services according to their needs? It's easy to agree with :)14:20
DocScrutinizer05:nod:14:20
MaxdamantusI'm not sure there have really been any actual anarchist movements recently (assuming anarchism is the disapproval of hierarchy, rather than the disregard of authority)14:20
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Maxdamantus(ones that have resulted in significant shifts of perception or power)14:22
zGrrVeggen: it is not the same.14:22
zGrrVeggen: communism is evil.14:22
VeggenzGrr: why?14:22
zGrrVeggen: look what communist did to anarchists in Spain in thirties.14:23
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VeggenzGrr: the implementations, not the ideas.14:23
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DocScrutinizer05no matter if you call it communism, solcialism, capitalism, *ism, in the end it all turns into a mess thanks to a few greedy assholes14:25
VeggenDocS: exactly. It's not the ideas that are evil per se, it's just that there will always be greedy assholes that makes it not work as intended.14:25
DocScrutinizer05but probably greediness is a necessary component of all life14:26
MaxdamantusLook what communist did to communist (from Russia) in Mexico in thirties.14:27
DocScrutinizer05maybe life is not only the survival of the fittest but just so often the survival of the greediest14:28
zGrrCommunism brought poverty and death everywhere14:29
zGrrLook what communims did to China.14:29
DocScrutinizer05in the end yes, since nobody had an interest to work anymore14:29
DocScrutinizer05since all man is greedy14:30
DocScrutinizer05and in communism it#s hard to satisfy greediness14:30
Maxdamantusespecially when maintaining large militaries and being involved in lots of wars.14:31
Maxdamantusdunno how much that had a part in it, but obviously depressions were created in other countries too.14:32
zGrrMaybe because the social part of the human nature is worse than individualistic.14:33
DocScrutinizer05well, there's a reason why even china finally went capitalism with a thin camouflage of communism14:33
zGrrIt did not14:33
Maxdamantusit did, where it mattered.14:34
zGrrIt is still a communist state rulled by the ruthless hand of the CPC14:34
DocScrutinizer05sure, but just to make those party asshats rich14:35
DocScrutinizer05and last I checked they allow private business now14:35
Maxdamantusin certain areas.14:35
DocScrutinizer05so their economy already turned capitalism14:35
zGrrMainly by corruption and expropriation.14:36
DocScrutinizer05most evil form of early wild west capitalism14:36
zGrrit doesn't look like capitalims at all.14:36
zGrrIt looks more like a feudal system14:36
DocScrutinizer05well, that's a matter of definition of "capitalism"14:37
zGrryou're right14:37
DocScrutinizer05but yes, in china you prolly still need to be member of "the party" to do big business14:37
zGrrmodern capitalism looks less and less similar to oldschool14:37
zGrrWe have now capitalism without capitalists.14:38
DocScrutinizer05mostly, yes14:38
DocScrutinizer05hedgefonds and baks do that now14:38
zGrrWe have rulling class managing corporations that belong to other people.14:38
DocScrutinizer05baks even14:38
DocScrutinizer05damn!!14:38
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DocScrutinizer05baNks14:38
zGrrirresponsibly, because it never belongs to them, or they just have small stakes in it.14:39
DocScrutinizer05I have to run. o/14:39
zGrrbyebye14:39
zGrrWe have  oligarchism.14:41
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