IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2014-02-27

DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: maybe you didn't notice but I tried to help you out00:00
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DocScrutinizer05when antithesis asks "are all my programs from thumb repo now?" I don't think telling about 2byte vs 4byte is the right answer00:03
DocScrutinizer05sorry, "applications"00:04
antithesisHey now, I know what packages are00:04
antithesisDon't demean me00:04
DocScrutinizer05meh, ok, I got other tasks to do than help damn #maemo00:05
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antithesisSIGILL is just a SIG I didn't know of00:06
antithesisI only know what SIGINT is00:06
antithesisThanks to Edward Snowden00:06
DocScrutinizer05and what makes you think I'm interested in that explanation now?00:06
DocScrutinizer05~dict program00:10
infobotDictionary 'program' (2 of 15): a radio or television show; "did you see his program last night?"  ;; an integrated course of academic studies; "he was admitted to a new program at the university" .00:10
DocScrutinizer05~dict 9 program00:12
infobot[9/15] (computer science) a sequence of instructions that a computer can interpret and execute; "the program required several hundred lines of code"00:12
DocScrutinizer05and SIGILL = 400:17
DocScrutinizer05unrelated to Snowden00:17
DocScrutinizer05SIGINT = 200:17
DocScrutinizer05man 7 signal00:19
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Mike11hi everybody :)03:23
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Mike11I have a Nokia n900 which was not able to read its IMEI, and displays "All telephony functions disabled . . ." error on every boot03:25
Mike11and when I reflash the device I used to get CMT flashing failed03:25
HurrianMike11: your baseband has probably fallen off the board, you can use a small spring from a ball pen to push it down03:26
Mike11while searching for a solution , I saw something about putting springs on some ICs03:26
Mike11yes Hurrian , but I used some papers instead if springs because I didn't expect it to work03:27
Mike11surprisingly my phone is now able to read its IMEI03:27
Mike11first of all, should I now remove the paper and put springs, or do you think it does not matter?03:28
Mike11the problem now is that every boot it says "Unable to establish network connection. Contact service"03:29
Hurriantry springs, but remember it'll always be a stopgap solution03:29
Mike11and I can't dial any number of course03:30
Mike11when I go to settings -> phone , it freezes for a while and then displays "Cellular network not available"03:30
Mike11I thought the software needs a reflash03:31
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Mike11so I reflashed and for the first the time it was able to erase and program the CMT03:31
Mike11but the problem isn't gone :(03:32
Mike11any ideas?03:32
Mike11I feel I 'm getting close to fix my n90003:32
Mike11too bad if it does not get fixed after I erased everything now with the flash :(03:33
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Hurrianthe problem isn't in a corrupt CMT, it's a /disconnected/ CMT03:36
Mike11Hurrian, I don't think it is disconnected anymore03:36
Mike11the flasher says it flashed cmt successfuly03:36
Mike11so it was able to communicate with the CMT03:37
Hurrianif you're getting communication errors, that means your shim has loosened up, and needs to be tightened again03:37
Mike11another thing is that I can see my IMEI when typing *#06#03:37
chainsawbikeMike11, if pressing the baseband chip down with paper "fixed" it (even partially) i would assume that it has been partially broken off the pcb, and the phone can never be relied on again for cellular communications...03:37
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Mike11chainsawbike , shit ! :(03:38
chainsawbikeMike11, you may get it to work, but do not rely on it staying that way03:38
robbiethe1stWhat happened?03:39
Mike11how can you tell it is broken, while it was flashed successfuly ??03:39
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Mike11its memory and communications with the main board are ok03:39
Mike11since the flasher programmed the CMT03:39
Mike11is that right?03:39
Mike11or I am messing things up?03:39
chainsawbikeMike11, its  memory and communications with the main board partially work for now because the chip is pressed against the contacts on the pcb with the paper03:40
Mike11so I broke my phone thinking I've fixed it :(03:41
Mike11chainsawbike, are you sure this cannot be software only related?03:42
Mike11maybe the flash version03:42
chainsawbikeMike11, it is a known problem probably caused by flexing of the pcb from pressing keys too hard03:43
Mike11chainsawbike , any way to fix it?03:44
chainsawbikeMike11, not easily ( reflow? ), the paper/spring fixes should only be considered a temp fix03:48
Mike11can't that be software related at all!?!03:51
Mike11please anybody with any opinion about that help me , thanks for your help chainsaw :'(03:52
chainsawbikefrom what you have said i doubt it but a full reflash does not take that long so...03:52
Mike11I already have did a full reflash03:53
Mike11but thinking it might br firmware related03:53
Mike11firmware version**03:53
chainsawbikeMike11, i assume you use the latest version?03:55
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MaxdamantusHow is touchscreen vibration normally handled?06:26
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Maxdamantusis there a process that reads /dev/input/ts and emits vibrations?06:26
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hxkahildon-plugins-notify-sv, maybe?07:56
hxkaDescriptions says "This package contains the sound and vibra plugins for hildon desktop notification system."07:57
hxkaMaxdamantus: ^07:57
hxkaUh, no, that's probably not related to touchscreen, sorry07:58
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hxkaMy N900's vibrator got broken recently =|08:02
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hxkaHmm, I disassebled it, found nothing wrong, and after assembling it vabators works again08:41
hxkaIt was wery dusty after 4 years though, maybe cleaning helped08:41
hxkaAnd now it spopped working again08:42
hxkastopped even08:43
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hxkaHmm, but when I'm swithchong N900 on, vibrator works always08:43
hxkaSo maybe it's something software related, strange08:44
hxkaYeah, it works a few times after boot and then stops08:45
hxkaAfter restarting mce it works again08:48
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hxkaMaxdamantus: vibrate on touch is controlled by /system/osso/dsm/touchscreen_vibra_enabled gconf entry08:59
hxkaMaxdamantus: which is handled by mce08:59
Maxdamantusso mce uses gconf?09:01
hxka> Provides DSM gconf API for controlling display and security.09:02
Maxdamantus") interface="" member="req_vibrator_pattern_activate" error name="(uns                                                                                          Feb 27 20:02:07 Nokia-N900 auth.notice dbus-daemon: Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.34" (uid=29999 pid=1043 comm="/usr/bin/maemo-xinput-sounds09:03
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MaxdamantusI think mce receives the request to vibrate from something else.09:06
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hxkaI can reproduce it: after boot vibrator works only for a short period of time, after which it stops until I restart mce, then it works fine until next boot09:08
hxkaI missed a call a couple of times because of that09:10
Maxdamantus# echo 255 80 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_vibra/pulse09:12
Maxdamantuscan see mce doing that when something successfully makes it vibrate.09:12
Maxdamantusso it must be something else that's trying to send those messages to mce, but failing for some reason.09:13
Maxdamantus(being rejected)09:13
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Maxdamantusah, it's maemo-xinput-sounds09:14
Maxdamantusworks on restarting that.09:15
* Maxdamantus doesn't know much about dbus or gconf.09:15
Maxdamantusand yeah, regarding your thing, I've heard of people removing the lint from the vibrator to get it to work again.09:17
Maxdamantuswonder if my (second-hand) device's vibrator is weak because of that.09:17
Maxdamantusif I've got it constantly pulsing, it will skip a few sometimes if I move it.09:18
hxkaMaxdamantus: it works flawlessly after I restart mce09:18
Maxdamantusand overall, I find it really difficult to notice in my pocket.09:18
Maxdamantusbut maybe it's just naturally weak.09:18
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hxkaIt seems like yandexmail is causing my problem09:33
hxka Yeah09:36
hxkaRemoving that crap09:36
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Mike11is the latest official firmware for nokia n900 "RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.003_PR_COMBINED_003_ARM"10:10
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hxkaYeah, officially10:11
hxkaThough yours is fo '003' region10:12
hxkaThere is RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, which exists on Nokia servers but wasn't officially released10:13
Mike11hxka, here is my situation, any help is really appreciated :(10:14
Mike11my nokia n900 was having the error "all telephony functions . . ."10:14
Mike11and when I flash, it used to say "CMT flashing failed"10:15
Mike11until yesterday, I saw that spring fix, and put some paper where I should put the springs10:15
hxkaI've read about your problem, no need to rehearse10:15
Mike11hxka sorry for re-posting I thought you weren't here10:16
hxkaIf you need to put paper, that means cmt is not connected properly anymore10:16
hxkaThat it flashes correctly now doesn't mean it will work correctly as well10:17
Mike11why springs connect CMT better than paper, isn't it about pressure only?10:17
hxkaMaybe spring applies more pressure, I don't know? have you tried it?10:18
hxkaMaybe applying pressure is not enough in your case10:18
Mike11hxka, actually no, brcause I am afraid I've broken the whole PCB, as someone here suggested10:19
Mike11but I saw people having the error I'm talking about because of installing a firmware older than a firmware that was installed10:20
Mike11that's why I am thinking of installing that latest unofficial firmware10:21
hxka"RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.003_PR_COMBINED_003_ARM" contains latest cmt10:21
hxkaThat update contains only ssl security fix, no cmt flash update10:21
Mike11hxka, so you think there is no sense in trying "RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin" ??10:21
hxkaYeah, I don't think it'll help10:22
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DocScrutinizer05I think flashing global version won't hurt. It's a known effect that some rare instances a certain localized variant won't flash11:24
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DocScrutinizer05Mike11: when your modem chipset is able to talk to Application Processor Environment (APE, aka linux) then you maybe can readout IMEI and flash new firmware etc, but it still may suffer from further contact problems on RF aka antenna side. Does it ask for PIN and accept the PIN you enter?11:41
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DocScrutinizer05modem chipset consists of several (at least 3) chips, one of them for RF and TX amps, while the hugest one is mainly so called baseband chip that talks to APE, and second hugest one is "the power supply" that also might be partially detached from PCB and thus not powering the TX amps in 3rd chip. When baseband works but RF side has a problem, you will see exactly the symptom you described11:45
DocScrutinizer05your paper fix might have worked for hugest chip but failed for smaller one11:45
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DocScrutinizer05dang, some user in this channel planned to do a reflow in baking oven, to fix cmt. I wonder what became of that plan11:49
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peetahDocScrutinizer05: you mean put the board in a classic oven ? if it may reconnect some connections, can't it also disconnect others ?11:51
peetahit seems very risky to me11:51
DocScrutinizer05yes, this is risky11:53
peetahmy n900 also has this problem, but I'd rather keep a computer without a modem waiting for neo900 than a definitive brick11:53
DocScrutinizer05I didn't recommend doing that oven reflow thing11:54
DocScrutinizer05there's a number of "manually" soldered parts on N900 PCB which possibly don't tolerate reflow process11:55
DocScrutinizer05at least could be11:55
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DocScrutinizer05and the process temperature margin between successful reflow of lead-free solder and max allowable temperature for chips is quite small11:57
DocScrutinizer05something in the range 240°C .. 280°C. Below that the leadfree solder won't melt, above the chips will die11:58
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peetahI wanted to try the springs, but I was not able to safely open the 'metal cage' surrounding the chips: to afraid to break something important12:01
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DocScrutinizer05opening the cans is difficult but not really dangerous. Just make sure you don't apply forces to components nearby outside the cans12:03
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DocScrutinizer05I wonder how industry/commercial does it12:04
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DocScrutinizer05probably there must be a special tool for opening can / lifting the lid12:05
peetahbut do these cans have to be closed for the modem to be functional, because as you say, once opened, I don't see how to put them back nicely12:06
DocScrutinizer05they are not extremely critical12:06
peetahis this some kind of faraday cage ?12:07
DocScrutinizer05IOW your device will work without lids on cans12:07
DocScrutinizer05ut putting lids back on is not difficult at all12:08
DocScrutinizer05when you haven't destroyed the lids completely during removal12:09
DocScrutinizer05the lifting is pure ZEN and takes maybe 10 to 20 minutes for first lid you are lifting12:09
DocScrutinizer05like building a house of cards12:10
peetahso patience and precision ... I should definitely stay away from them :)12:13
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DocScrutinizer05you start at one corner, ideally one with long sides left and right, and lift 1. dent left, 1. r, 2.l, 2.r, 1.l again since it snapped closed again, 2.l, 2.r, 3.r, 2.l, 3.r, 1.l, 1.r, 1+2.l, 1..3.r, and so on and on, 10 minutes, until finally the one corner comes off visibly a 0.2mm and on maybe 5mm distance left and right from corner. Then you've won the battle12:15
DocScrutinizer05you need a pretty sturdy pinpoint instrument for that, like a tiny knife, dentist tool, very small screwdriver with sharp blade...12:18
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DocScrutinizer05I'm sure there are more easy ways to open lids, but I don't know of them (yet?)12:18
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DocScrutinizer05the latches/dents go down to the PCB rather close, so to gut under them, you need a really pinpointed tool. For me small knife of a tiny swiss army knife (~3cm length) worked best12:30
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DocScrutinizer05I bet nokia service manual suggests something like a can opener and then discarding the lids and use new spare parts12:33
jaskalike for the screws and such12:34
DocScrutinizer05alas those tiny cheesy metal parts are terribly expensive to produce, regarding initial tooling expense etc. Once you got all tooling, the lid costs a cent or less12:37
DocScrutinizer05again exactly like the screws12:39
DocScrutinizer05figure you'd want to build a screw by yurself, DIY12:40
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DocScrutinizer05most people don't understand such aspects of building a device. They only see 5g plastic when they look at e.g. Jolla TOH and say "duh, this can't cost more than 5ct! it#s just a tiny amount of plastic"12:42
DocScrutinizer05or "there are 10 screws holding that part, can't cost more than 1ct to replace them" - yeah sure, IF the scres are standard size somebody builds by the billion qty12:43
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DocScrutinizer05they can't imagine that building 100 matching screws might cost you 1000bucks12:44
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DocScrutinizer05or more12:45
DocScrutinizer05building 10 screws might not be significantly cheaper12:46
DocScrutinizer05maybe 50012:46
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* ShadowJK_ occasionally makes own screws12:54
DocScrutinizer05now for building prototypes this becomes "interesting" question: do you build 10 screws for one proto, costs you 500. Or do you expend 1000 bucks for 100 screws, and maybe find that you bought 90 "lemons" worth 500 bucks and just ready to discard them right away12:54
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK_: for sure a funny exercise12:55
ShadowJK_but not small ones. and they don't have to look good or have exactly shaped head12:56
DocScrutinizer05how do you make the thread?12:56
DocScrutinizer05making thread is a really demanding task12:56
DocScrutinizer05nowadays you can do that with CNC maybe12:57
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DocScrutinizer05commonly used large scale method is to roll the thread into the screw with two plates of hardened steel13:12
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DocScrutinizer05or you already cold-deform raw steel rods in a mold that has the thread and all except the slot(s) in head13:14
DocScrutinizer05I think spax and wood screws are made like this13:15
DocScrutinizer05ooh, they are rolled as well:
r00t|d430i have a "spax" at home which has the slots but the thread is missing13:24
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DocScrutinizer05r00t|d430: did you consider grabbing your files and file a thread into it manually? ;-)13:29
r00t|d430DocScrutinizer05: filing won't do... the diameter is too small, at least for getting the thread it would normally have13:30
DocScrutinizer05cold-deforming moves the material from inside the thread to beyond the diameter of the wire13:31
DocScrutinizer05no material gets lost in rolling/cold-forming. So filing is doomed to fail, you remove material you would need13:31
r00t|d430well, could still make a smaller thread that way13:32
DocScrutinizer05yes, during 2 years of weekend leisure work ;-)13:32
r00t|d430production errors are always fun... i also found a dowel screw at a shop once that was missing the metric thread...
DocScrutinizer05there arre guys who build whole steam engines 20mm max dimension13:33
DocScrutinizer05well, there are also clockworkers13:34
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DocScrutinizer05bottom line: you can build incredibly cheap yet sophisticated stuff, when you get incredibly expensive and sophisticated "tools" (aka machines) for doing so13:36
DocScrutinizer05bottom line 2: even something as "simple2 as a screw is suprisingly hard to build DIY13:37
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r00t|d430could still avoid using non-standard parts13:38
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vi__freemangordon: hello?13:39
* DocScrutinizer05 always giggles when somebody boldly demands FOSS chip manufacturing13:39
vi__DocScrutinizer05: No Problem, I will just fire up the semi conductor fab in my garage.13:39
DocScrutinizer05r00t|d430: dang, what currency?13:40
vi__r00t|home: It does say it is a special screw.  Perhaps it has a really wacky non standard thread or is made from a special material./13:40
r00t|d430dunno... the picture is old...
DocScrutinizer05vi__: exactly13:40
vi__Where is FMG at?13:41
DocScrutinizer05dunno. Dayjob?13:41
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DocScrutinizer0561 EURO!!!! GODDAMN!13:42
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vi__It is a *SPECIAL* screw.13:44
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vi__Although the fact it is a self tapping screw implies you could be quite liberal with the specs on a replacement part.13:44
r00t|d430they had to custom-make it on a cnc-mill... 61eur is CHEAP!13:44
vi__I heard it was cast from NASA grade bitcoins.13:45
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jaskahammered with hassium-core hammers14:01
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* Maxdamantus wonders what normally makes dbus allow user's applications to talk to mce in Maemo.14:58
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Maxdamantuswhen partially starting up stuff myself, they're rejected, which seems to make sense based on /etc/dbus-1/system.d/mce.conf14:58
Maxdamantusif I modify that file to say "user" is allowed to send messages to the mce interface, it works.14:59
Maxdamantusbut why does it work normally without that rule?14:59
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DocScrutinizer05system vs session bus?
DocScrutinizer05I don't think I heard about any problems of userland apps talking to mce16:11
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DocScrutinizer05or maybe userland processes escalate permissions via sudo prior to sending stuff to mce?16:19
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DocScrutinizer05thinking about it, user "user" sjould only have write access on session buss, not on system bus, no?16:20
DocScrutinizer05since system bus affects all system (as the name implies), it should be restricted to superusers. Otherwise one user could cause havoc for other concurrent user16:21
DocScrutinizer05same rationale applies to file permissions in /dev/ and /sys/16:22
DocScrutinizer05so, depending on the particular function and the way it's implemented in mce or whatever, the function should either be systembus and exclusively for root/superuser, or mce implements arbitrating and offers e.g. a "I'm fine with shutdown" function on session buss(es) where real system shutdown only happens when all users allowed it. You can come up with arbitrary number of similar designs to rule who may do what, the principle stays the16:27
DocScrutinizer05basically this all are partial aspects of "resource arbitration" topic16:29
DocScrutinizer05mce is a classicla "middleware" that's responsible of arbitrating/allocating/distributing/assigning resources of all kinds16:31
DocScrutinizer05classical* even16:31
DocScrutinizer05simple example: diable scree dimming. When one task is asking mce to keep screen active, then a 2nd task does same, then 1, tasks says "ok i'm done, you may dim screen now"... MCE shall know about second task still needing screen undimmed16:34
DocScrutinizer05actually currently this is implemented in a even smarter way, where every task has a lease in screen backlight resource, and that lease needs renewal every few seconds. Only when all tasks stop renewing their leases, a few seconds later screen dims16:35
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DocScrutinizer05(system shutdown) you could argue that a user who wants to shutdown the system first should shutdown own session. Thus any such system-shutdown would most likely get implemented into the session bus itself and the tear-down of that particular session bus. When all session busses are stopped/terminated, mce knows there's no more user session running and thus can consider whether or not system should get shut down. Depending on info the16:52
DocScrutinizer05sessions told mce before terminating. A session might just want to restart itself. Anyway such function would obviously best get integrated into hildon desktop since HD basically establishes the user session16:52
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DocScrutinizer05btw same principle also applies to sensors. Particularly those who have different operation modes and maybe even triggers. Think accelerometer. Think liblocation.16:56
DocScrutinizer05modem is a very special case, since it's not clearly defined if e.g. an imbound call belongs to system, to currently active user session, or even to all user sessions.16:58
DocScrutinizer05other exclusive resurces like e.g. camera are simpler, since you basically can handle them on a first-come-first-serve basis16:59
DocScrutinizer05for that often a devnode or sysnode has sufficient "arbitration" simply by locking17:00
DocScrutinizer05ideally all sys and dev nodes (where needed) would come in a user exclusive namespace, and the drivers would do arbitration. Thus every user session could behave like it was the only one on that machine, and when a resource is not available, then the according device node (or sysnode) would reject an open() with an appropriate -Error17:11
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DocScrutinizer05sometimes not the open() but a write() - when e.g a write to a configuration node collides with something another concurrent user already had configured17:12
DocScrutinizer05but afaik none of the mainline kernel drives is designed that way17:13
DocScrutinizer05maybe in plan9 ;-)17:14
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DocScrutinizer05(haven't looked into it regarding this detail)17:15
DocScrutinizer05so for "standard linux" we're back to proper middleware17:16
infobotwell, fso is the mobile devices middleware.17:16
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DocScrutinizer05~fso is also
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0517:18
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DocScrutinizer05WTF?! MICKEY!! maemo is no "foreign environment"! maemo is plain GNU/linux for all that matters to FSO17:22
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DocScrutinizer05for sure maemo is not same class of "foreign" that has mambers like android and webOS17:24
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RES401would this be the right place to ask about getting metasploit running properly? and yes i have googled but can't find the error that im getting17:35
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DocScrutinizer05yes, I think it's an appropriate place to ask17:38
DocScrutinizer05(assuming metasploit is a maemo app)17:39
DocScrutinizer05possibly an incorrect assumption17:41
vi__RES401: Easy answer, just run it through easy Debian.17:41
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RES401ok tahnks. When i attempt to start metasploit I get/home/opt/msf3/lib/gemcache/ruby/1.9.1/gems/activesupport-3.2.2/lib/active_support/inflector/methods.rb:218:in 'const_defined?': wrong constant name #<Module:0x421ec540> (NameError)17:43
RES401Easy answer, just run it through easy Debian, you mean in a debian chroot?17:44
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vi__RES401: Yeah.17:45
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RES401would i have to install it in the chroot first?17:46
vi__There is a debian chroot available.17:47
vi__So it would simply be a case of apt-get install.17:47
vi__Being all nice and debian, it should just work.17:47
RES401ok i'll give that a try, thanks17:48
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* DocScrutinizer05 HMMMs at
DocScrutinizer05hi vi__18:00
DocScrutinizer05wtf .xz?18:07
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honestlyso apparently my emmc is just fucked :/18:54
honestlyis there a way to boot from the nand flash?18:54
honestlyor rather, not have the rootfs on the emmc18:54
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DocScrutinizer05we did this maybe a year ago, online in this channel. In the end it been a one char patch, commenting out the renaming that swaps MMC1 and MMC019:01
freemangordonvi__: hi! how's UI coding going on?19:02
honestlyDocScrutinizer05: cool19:02
honestlyDocScrutinizer05: is there any documentation of this process?19:03
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honestlyreflashing worked without any trouble at all19:06
vi__freemangordon: Heh, I got a new job since then.19:06
honestlybut I'd rather not have to reflash every time I turn the phone off :/19:06
freemangordonhonestly: wait, how did you decide your emmc is broken if you are able to boot after a reflash?19:06
freemangordonvi__: is it better than the old one? I guess so19:07
honestlyI decided my emmc is broken after a lot of debugging19:07
vi__It is the greatest job evr.19:07
freemangordonhonestly: did you reflash emmc too?19:07
freemangordonvi__: great19:07
honestlyreflashing emmc was the step that revived the phone in the first place19:07
honestlyI think you were there for most of it, a week ago or so19:08
freemangordonhonestly: by following the wiki procedure ?19:08
freemangordonoh, I remember now19:08
honestlyflashing vanilla first, and then flashing PR1.3 over it immediately19:08
freemangordonso, what happened?19:08
honestlywell I let it sit turned off for a few days19:09
honestlyturned it on again today and only got to the "flashing lights forever" again19:09
freemangordonhmm, wasn't your NAND faulty, not emmc?19:10
honestlyI might be confusing those two?19:10
freemangordoncan't remember, sorry19:10
honestlylemme see if I can find the old logs19:10
freemangordonwas it you to post dmesg logs?19:10
freemangordonvi__: what kind of job, EE?19:11
freemangordonIIRC it is your NAND that is broken, not emmc.19:11
vi__freemangordon: yes, EE!19:11
vi__freemangordon: read your PM.19:12
honestlyI think that says it found bad blocks on the NAND19:12
freemangordonvi__: hmm, no PM to read :)19:12
vi__I meant irc /query19:13
freemangordonhonestly: try a couple of flashes, that might mark all bad blocks and fix your problems19:18
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sixwheeledbeastfreemangordon: any clues on how to reproduce that bug in h-d from cssu-devel yet? I can't seem to reproduce at all.19:57
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freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: no idea :(20:07
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: if we find a way to reproduce it, we'll easily find the problematic code by bisecting20:08
hxkaWhat bug?20:08
sixwheeledbeastfreemangordon: mmm, I keep playing and let you know if  I can reproduce anything.20:08
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: what about these instructions ?20:10
hxkaOh, I encountered it a lot20:10
freemangordonhxka: how to reproduce?20:10
hxkaSince the beginning of portait launcher20:10
hxkano idea20:10
freemangordonBTW I think this is #maemo-ssu material20:10
sixwheeledbeastThey're the instructions I have been trying20:11
freemangordonoh, just reproduced it :)20:11
freemangordonby using them20:12
freemangordonvery easy to reproduce, I'll try to fix it if arcean don't do it till saturday :)20:13
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alien2003can somebody compile RetroShare or RetroMessenger for maemo 5?21:37
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CR0WHello. I just bought an N900 (used) and wanted to flash it clean. I found a page with images, subpage of However, I only wound a binary file with COMBINED. Where can I find the eMMC/VANILA one?22:40
infoboti guess emmc is magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or
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CR0WIs this the latest one? Can I use it with RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM?22:42
hxkaYes to both questions, though eMMC and Combined images aren't related22:43
hxkaSorry, going to sleep now22:44
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CR0Whxka: Sorry, I thought they are. Sweet dreams.22:44
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DocScrutinizer05CR0W: see22:47
infoboti guess maemo-flashing is
CR0WDocScrutinizer05: I'm reading that. It's a bit harder now, since the tablet-dev page is down.22:48
DocScrutinizer05yes, sorry for that. Nokia made us take it down22:48
CR0WDocScrutinizer05: Yeah, Nokia hates freedom.22:48
DocScrutinizer05Noiia loves peace. Particularly at their lawyers front22:49
DocScrutinizer05nokia even22:49
CR0WI personally hate lawyers, cophyright, and closed source.22:50
DocScrutinizer05they seem to be *very* concerned about stuff they once distributed to maemo users but don't really own it22:50
DocScrutinizer05see flash plugin22:50
DocScrutinizer05powervr libs from TI22:50
DocScrutinizer05dunno what else22:51
DocScrutinizer05and then a lot of the maemo core apps are also not *owned* by Nokia, it seems. Many are developed by subcontractors, and the copyright is unclear22:51
CR0WI sory of understand, but only sort off. I was surprised that flasher program is closed source.22:52
DocScrutinizer05thanks to Pali we have working 0xFFFF now22:53
CR0W*sort of22:53
CR0WDocScrutinizer05: What's that?22:53
DocScrutinizer05FOSS flasher22:53
CR0WDocScrutinizer05: Great to hear. Hey, by the way, are there folks still working on Maemo and can I help?22:54
DocScrutinizer05/join maemo-ssu22:54
infobothmm... fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see
CR0WDocScrutinizer05: OK, I'll try tomorrow.22:55
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infobot[neo900] at, or at
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer05; There's hand tool for making thread22:56
DocScrutinizer05wow, those craftsmen22:57
DocScrutinizer05I wonder how that works22:57
DocScrutinizer05something spinning screw while moving it along the axis, so you can file a thread in?22:58
ShadowJKAlso there's hand tool for making thread in hole23:00
DocScrutinizer05I bet it's something so ridiculously simple and effective that I will wonder why it just avoided my mind23:00
DocScrutinizer05ooh, those! yeah, sure23:00
DocScrutinizer05of course, I know those cutting irons23:01
DocScrutinizer05weird I forgot about those23:01
DocScrutinizer05I don't need to check the URL, I just remembered all of that23:02
DocScrutinizer05I used those a lot, some 35 years ago23:03
DocScrutinizer05(also broke quite a number of them)23:03
CR0WThis is a vanilla image right?
DocScrutinizer05good enough23:04
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infobotwell, vanilla is just plain old up & down & up & down & up & down & up & down & ooooh!, or the finest of the flavors23:04
CR0WDocScrutinizer05: any issues with it?23:04
infobotemmc is, like, magnet:?xt=urn:btih:402fb5cc8a48ecbc18a77c9cf70d869a775bcf53&dn=RX-51%5F2009SE%5F10.2010.13-2.VANILLA%5FPR%5FEMMC%5FMR0%5FARM.bin or
CR0WI know, but that dls slowly.23:05
DocScrutinizer05the relevant part of name is identical23:05
DocScrutinizer05~emmc is also
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0523:06
CR0WDocScrutinizer05: I guess the one I found just has some central europe specific crap added?23:06
DocScrutinizer05possible. Or removed23:06
DocScrutinizer05it media content mostly, so nevermind23:06
DocScrutinizer05maybe obsolete map tiles23:07
CR0WOK, thanks.23:07
DocScrutinizer05thnks for the link23:07
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see (or )23:07
DocScrutinizer05flasher-3.5 linux is in many distro repos (arch for example)23:08
CR0WIt's not in arch's repo.23:09
DocScrutinizer05windows flasher-3.5 vanishing from internet slowly is probably a bless23:09
CR0WIs the above link newer than 21.2011.38.1?23:09
DocScrutinizer05err nope, it *is* 38.1. look closer!23:09
DocScrutinizer05MR0 means "international"23:10
DocScrutinizer05or "global"23:11
CR0WI.e. has translations?23:11
DocScrutinizer05i.e. has some restrictions missing23:11
DocScrutinizer05and the asian version is special, global and western localized versions don't have the simpligied chinese etc support23:12
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DocScrutinizer05that's 203 or somthing instead MR0 then23:13
CR0WI aready tried flashing with pc suite. It was succesful, but didn't help. I have an issue that probably the cover and proximity sensors malfunction.23:14
CR0WThat is the cover sensor says it's open and proximity that something is close, I think.23:14
CR0WWhen someone calls, the screen locks. Is this normal?23:15
DocScrutinizer05cover sensor might be missing magnet in kickstand23:15
DocScrutinizer05err, nope23:15
CR0WI think it's cause the proximity sensor works wrong. Magnet is in place.23:15
CR0WI bought it used. I'll do a full flash, and if it doesn't help, I'll try returning it, thought the seller isn't required to accept returns.23:16
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DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# watch --interval=0,5 cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity/state23:18
DocScrutinizer05this is for proximity sensor, located landscape upper left corner23:18
DocScrutinizer05you need root to run it, I guess23:19
CR0WDocScrutinizer05: I already tried reading all gpio stuff, but I'll run this now.23:19
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CR0WI shoudln't need root for reading?23:20
DocScrutinizer05you need root23:21
DocScrutinizer05umm, wait23:21
DocScrutinizer05nope, world readable23:21
DocScrutinizer05just like magnet:23:21
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# watch --interval=0,5 cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch23:22
CR0WWatch doesn't accept these params.23:22
CR0WGuess I need watch from core utils?23:22
DocScrutinizer05dang, you got the messybox crap I giess23:22
DocScrutinizer05change interval to 123:23
CR0WOk, I did the first one,23:24
CR0Wwhat to do now?23:24
CR0WIt shows closed.23:24
DocScrutinizer05what does it say?23:24
CR0WI tried covering and uncovering, and nothing.23:24
CR0WSo it's 100% a hw problem then?23:25
DocScrutinizer05first shpuld be "open" until you cover upper left corner23:25
CR0WOr could a full flash help?23:25
DocScrutinizer05second should be "closed" when battery lid is attached23:25
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DocScrutinizer05this is as straight to hardware as it gets23:26
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CR0WSecond shows open and cover is attached.23:26
DocScrutinizer05unless somebody installed a fskdup debian kernel or sth, it must work23:26
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DocScrutinizer05for second you can try placing a magnet near main camera and move it a bit23:26
DocScrutinizer05check kickstand "bay". Does kickstand snap to a small magnet when closed?23:27
DocScrutinizer05the magnet is in the middle of the bay. the kickstand has a tiny metal patch there23:27
CR0WThe kickstand magnet is there.23:28
CR0WSo the sensor must be broken or the kernel is.23:28
DocScrutinizer05hw defect23:28
DocScrutinizer05uname -a23:28
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CR0WLinux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv71 unknown23:29
DocScrutinizer05original kernel23:30
DocScrutinizer05hw defect23:30
DocScrutinizer05I got a deja vu23:30
DocScrutinizer05maybe you are 4th owner of that device23:30
freemangordonthe same one with gatta_negra's device23:30
DocScrutinizer05CR0W: could you please disclose serial number?23:31
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DocScrutinizer05eventually maemo community will grab the torches and pitchforks23:32
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DocScrutinizer05~seen gatta_negra23:33
infobotgatta_negra <~SailCat@> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 35d 4h 33m 35s ago, saying: 'it can work without sim card also '.23:33
DocScrutinizer05CR0W: where's shipping origin of your device?23:34
DocScrutinizer05CR0W: and pretty please post a photo of label under battery, or serial number or IMEI, or at very least leave a unique mark on label under battery and tell us what's that mark looking like23:36
DocScrutinizer05CR0W: also, how much did you pay for device?23:37
CR0WDocScrutinizer05: Poland is probably the place where it was sold.23:38
CR0WI paid around 100$.23:38
DocScrutinizer05anybody already checked geolocation of ?23:38
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DocScrutinizer05CR0W: too expensive for a defect device23:39
DocScrutinizer0589.190.196.121BulgariaGrad Sofiya23:40
CR0WDocScrutinizer05: Guy sold it as "100% working". I'll try to send it back to him and get my money back.23:41
DocScrutinizer05CR0W: could you disclose the numer printed on label under battery? I want to keep track of such broken devices now23:41
DocScrutinizer05the numer probably starts with 356923:42
DocScrutinizer05and has 3 "/" in it23:43
DocScrutinizer05"100% working" LOL! Those are two obvious blatant hw defects, and they are totally unrelated. No way they went unnoticed or happened both during shipping23:44
CR0WI don't want to disclose my IMEI now, but if I'll send it back, I'll post it to you, okay?23:44
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CR0WMaybe the guy is stupid or something, or he thought someone won't notice.23:45
DocScrutinizer05though IMEI isn't as sikrit as everybody thinks it should be23:45
DocScrutinizer05but ypou could send md5sum of IMEI :-D23:46
CR0WI'll research how sensitive is it tomorrow. Md5sum? OK.23:46
DocScrutinizer05please add the full set of characters, incl the slashes23:48
DocScrutinizer05imei=892472489724ß8971ß9871;  cat $imei|wc; cat $imei|md5sum23:49
CR0WThis is md5sum of what *#06# returned.23:49
DocScrutinizer05ok, good enough23:49
DocScrutinizer05that's without slashes then23:50
CR0WWhere's the one with slashes?23:50
DocScrutinizer05under battery23:50
CR0WOk, I see it.23:50
CR0WWith slashes: ecb4a71e16b9587b38e8cb07d2cdf70323:52
CR0WI have a question: when the guide says to flash with emmc, then remove battery and place again and flash with fiasco, can I unplug the cable when removing the battery?23:53
DocScrutinizer05yes, you can unplug cable23:55
CR0WThanks. You're joerg?23:55
infobotjoerg is, like, a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer23:55
M4rtinKDocScrutinizer05: maybe add Neo900 there ? :)23:56
CR0WCool. Hey, do you know something new about AD-54 and similar?23:56
DocScrutinizer05what's AD-54?23:57
CR0WOn N900/Neo900 that is.23:57
CR0WDocScrutinizer05: one of those multimedia headsets.23:57
DocScrutinizer05ooh, ECI yoi mean?23:57
DocScrutinizer05multibutton headsets?23:57
DocScrutinizer05will be supported as they basically are on n90023:58
CR0WThey are?23:58
DocScrutinizer05just for fremantle nobody wrote a driver yet23:58
DocScrutinizer05in nitdroid they are supported afaik23:58
DocScrutinizer05hw support is in place23:58
CR0WI mean, mic and call button works on any OMTP device, but the multimedia buttons.23:58
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DocScrutinizer05that's ECI. one wire serial protocol. Basically fast morse with headset call button23:59
DocScrutinizer05but bidir23:59
CR0WSo I could take a driver from android and write it for the kernel used in N900?23:59

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