IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2014-02-28

DocScrutinizer05N900 has the needed comparators00:00
CR0WCool. In a few months I'll have time for playing with stuff, so I'll take this, if it won't be done yet.00:00
DocScrutinizer05much appreciated00:00
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CR0WNever did any kernel stuff, but I know C99 good.00:01
DocScrutinizer05that particular driver is maybe not so much kernel at all00:01
DocScrutinizer05well, it probably is00:01
DocScrutinizer05it needs to bitbang serial00:02
DocScrutinizer05this needs terse timing00:02
CR0WIt's something called nokia-av.c I think.00:02
DocScrutinizer05check for ECI in there00:02
CR0WOK. I need to setup a dev envirioment.00:03
CR0WWhat tools do we use?00:03
DocScrutinizer05all sane devels use VM now00:04
CR0WWhat's that?00:04
infobotwell, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at, or hosted by now, maintainer thedead144000:04
CR0WOh, OK.00:04
CR0WDoes it use qemu?00:04
DocScrutinizer05yep, afaik00:04
DocScrutinizer05there's a VM image00:05
DocScrutinizer05roundabout 1GB00:05
CR0WSo I can boot the stuff in qemu and see if things work, except for maybe devices like accelerometer?00:05
DocScrutinizer05more convenient than "native" scratchbox on host00:05
DocScrutinizer05that qemu in qemu then, when yu use a VM ;-)00:06
CR0WInception, heh.00:06
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: what's the damn filename of the scratchbox VM image?00:07
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DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: ping00:08
arceanMaemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final ?00:08
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: ^^^^^00:08
DocScrutinizer05yep, that00:08
DocScrutinizer05CR0W: google for that00:09
infobotmethinks scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at, or hosted by now, maintainer thedead144000:09
DocScrutinizer05~literal sb00:09
infobot"#maemo sb" is "<reply>see scratchbox"00:09
DocScrutinizer05~#maemo sb is also at
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0500:10
infobotscratchbox is, like, a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at, or hosted by now, maintainer thedead1440, or at
CR0WFound it, thanks.00:11
DocScrutinizer05errr *cough*00:13
DocScrutinizer05~literal sb00:13
infobot"#maemo sb" is "<reply>see scratchbox"00:13
DocScrutinizer05wow, infobot is so smaaaart00:13
DocScrutinizer05and I'm so unattentative00:14
DocScrutinizer05~literal scratchbox00:14
infobot"scratchbox" is "a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at, or hosted by now, maintainer thedead1440, or at"00:14
infobotthanks, DocScrutinizer0500:15
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CR0WDocScrutinizer05: Question: when chargin, should there also a little led in the corner light up?00:17
DocScrutinizer05yes, usually should00:17
DocScrutinizer05though for "normal" charging user is free to define all he likes, from flashing fireworks to no notification at all00:18
DocScrutinizer05usually only shows when screen is locked00:18
DocScrutinizer05yellow flashing00:18
DocScrutinizer05when you get steady yellow, something is odd00:19
CR0WWell, I didn't observe it flashing at any point. So another defect I think.00:19
DocScrutinizer05lock screen!00:20
DocScrutinizer05slider lockswirch right side00:20
CR0WI'll try after flash.00:20
DocScrutinizer05yeah, during flashing it neither locks nor charges00:21
CR0WOK, it's rebooting and I see those icons pulsing.00:22
CR0WHands, yay!00:22
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DocScrutinizer05ooh, friggin hands00:28
infoboti heard jrtools is
DocScrutinizer05for the rescue00:28
CR0WOk, flashed and still broken. I'll try to return it.00:28
CR0WThe most problematic thing is the cover open state will cause microsd cards to not work.00:29
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CR0WDocScrutinizer05: are you still here?00:56
CR0WDocScrutinizer05: I guess downgrade won't help with my problem, right?00:57
DocScrutinizer05there's a patched kernel driver module somewhere that ignores the magnet sensor00:57
DocScrutinizer05no, downgrade doesn't help00:57
CR0WDocScrutinizer05: I thought about that, I'll probably do that and patch also the poximity sensor.00:57
CR0WHow does the prox. sensor work, is it an ir led and sensor?00:58
DocScrutinizer05you rather should send back the device to that b***ard who sold it to you00:58
CR0WCould it be that under the screen cover it's just dirty?00:59
CR0WIs it hard to remove that cover?00:59
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DocScrutinizer05well, it's not exactly easy01:00
DocScrutinizer05you have to disassemble from backside01:01
DocScrutinizer05first disassemble bottom half and detach screen flex cable *carefully*01:01
DocScrutinizer05get service manual for that01:01
DocScrutinizer05I however never heard about dirt causing proximity sensor failing01:02
CR0WAlso, in gpio-switch/proximity,01:02
CR0Wthere's disable01:02
CR0Wand it has value 1.01:02
CR0WWhat does that mean?01:02
DocScrutinizer05nfc. has "1" here too01:03
DocScrutinizer05he sensor is always powered. lways working, and always reporting directly to a GPIO01:04
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, schematics is
DocScrutinizer05it's a OSRAM combined IR detector01:05
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CR0WI wonder, is it a common problem with those sensors, like with the micro usb desoldering?01:05
DocScrutinizer05I heard of them going thermonuclear and even burn a hole into digitizer.01:06
DocScrutinizer05once report01:06
CR0WSo I guess I should be glad I didn't get one that explodes.01:07
DocScrutinizer05you can swap whole flex cable01:07
CR0WI could take those two sensors from an N900 sold as broken if it was really cheap.01:09
DocScrutinizer05a new flex cable cost ~8bucks01:09
honestly18:18:17 < freemangordon> honestly: try a couple of flashes, that might mark all bad blocks  and fix your problems01:10
honestlyouch :|01:10
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CR0WDocScrutinizer05: I rather not buy from ebay, I prefer my local auctioning site (allegro).01:12
DocScrutinizer05the backcover hall switch is a bigger problem01:12
CR0WDocScrutinizer05: how is it connected?01:12
DocScrutinizer05that's your nightmare01:12
CR0WMeh, I'd live with patched kernel for the hall, if the proximity ir works.01:14
DocScrutinizer05it's soldered to a "satellite" PCB that's tightly connected to the main PCB. Integrated flexible PCB cable. When that is broken, your camera LEDs and hall switch and camera door sensor (another of those OSRAM proximity sensors) and the uSD will never come back01:14
DocScrutinizer05 uooer right small brownish thingie01:15
CR0WBut that sattelite PCB is connected with some zif connector?01:15
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DocScrutinizer05it's basically *one* PCB with a flexible section01:16
DocScrutinizer05the most nasty hardware I ever seen01:16
CR0WOh, it's joined with the main one.01:16
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DocScrutinizer05honestly, rather try to get your money back and get a better N900. One thta works01:18
DocScrutinizer05when you had paid 50$ for it, i'd say it's worth repairing it. 100$ though, you should expect "like new" condition01:20
DocScrutinizer05and when the sattelite conncetion ribbon is broken, you're completely out of luck01:21
DocScrutinizer05check camera! does it flash?01:21
DocScrutinizer05does it notice door open?01:22
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DocScrutinizer05 left bizarre thing is OSRAM proximity IR sensor for cam door. right tiny "MK" is a hall switch for battery cover. Top right is a part of uSD card01:24
honestlyDocScrutinizer05: I've had this phone for two years01:25
honestlyand it's been worth the 70 euros I paid (:01:26
CR0WCamera works properly.01:29
CR0WFlash also.01:29
CR0WAccelerometer also, screen as well, touch yep, not tested gps and ir, usb works, bluetooth and wifi works.01:30
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DocScrutinizer05umm, netsplit pending?02:40
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DocScrutinizer05CR0W: you should test modem02:42
DocScrutinizer05"No SIM" is #2 on error ranking02:43
DocScrutinizer05right after "USB loose"02:43
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honestlywhere does the n900 save its lock code?03:16
honestlyit seems like it retains the lock code through a full reflash03:17
nox-ah the bot is awol :(03:18
nox-<infobot> somebody said lockcode was
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honestlywhat is /dev/mtd1?03:24
nox-a flash partition03:25
nox-DocScrutinizer05 probably knows more03:25
DocScrutinizer05no, not more03:26
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honestlyso I could just write to that to change the lock code?03:28
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DocScrutinizer05reflash is supposed to ignore lockcode when both rootfs and eMMC get flashed (since PR1.2 or 1.3)03:31
DocScrutinizer05please read, it's clearly explaining that you need to "crack" what's written in CAL, and you definitely don't have the tools nor the data to write to there03:32
honestlyI don't need to crack anything03:33
honestlyI know my lock code03:33
DocScrutinizer05then what's your problem?03:33
honestlyI don't have a problem, I'm just curious03:33
honestlyif I boot rescueOS, what is going to stop me from writing to /dev/mtd1 with, say, dd?03:33
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DocScrutinizer05except that NAND doesn't work with dd03:34
honestlyah, so I'd have to use the flasher03:35
DocScrutinizer05you can try nevertheless, but result will be destruction of cal irrespectively of what and how you try to write to there03:35
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DocScrutinizer05please read
honestly...I read that...03:36
DocScrutinizer05damn you, bot03:36
nox-bot is awol03:36
honestlyit doesn't say what "cal" is03:36
DocScrutinizer05cal is mtd103:36
honestlywell I'm glad my bad blocks aren't where my lock code is (:03:37
DocScrutinizer05cal takes care of that03:38
DocScrutinizer05as does ubifs03:38
honestlywhat do you mean?03:38
DocScrutinizer05and flasher I'd think03:38
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infobotDocScrutinizer: infobot joined!03:38
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DocScrutinizer05I meant your lockcode CANNOT be on a bad block03:39
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DocScrutinizer05since cal wouldn't write it to a badblock03:40
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honestlywell, eventually flash develops more bad blocks (as happened to me)03:40
DocScrutinizer05yes, on writing03:40
DocScrutinizer05a block never goes bad on reading it03:41
DocScrutinizer05and when CAL detects it tries to a block that's bad, it picks next block to write data to it03:41
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DocScrutinizer05that's why you don't have ext3 or fat filesystem on NAND but stuff like CAL or ubifs03:42
honestlythen how did my phone spontaneously develop the hang-with-flashing-lights bug?03:43
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DocScrutinizer05maybe stuck on eMMC fsck03:44
honestlyfeel free to take a look at the log if you want:
honestlylog from one of the hung boots03:45
DocScrutinizer05if you had CSSU and CSSU already had the signalling I urged to get into initscripts, you could tell from indicator led03:45
infobotmethinks cal is
honestlyand the flashing lights are part of the gui... they wouldn't show up before fsck is done03:48
honestlyif it's the normal kernel startup fsck03:48
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DocScrutinizer05well, then something is fsckdup in your system03:49
honestlyof course03:50
honestlybut I'd like to know what is (:03:50
DocScrutinizer05not unheard of that HD hangs when bad widgets are plugged in or transitions.ini is messed up or whatever03:50
DocScrutinizer05move /home/user to /home/not-user; mkdir /home/user03:51
honestlyI'll try that the next time it happens03:51
honestlyfor now I fixed it by reflashing03:52
DocScrutinizer05I'm too lazy to scrutinize your syslog (if it's even a syslog). Did it show some unusual error messages?03:52
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honestlyit's a syslog03:53
honestlyand I don't know03:53
DocScrutinizer05well, when it works now, maybe a fine idea was to create a backup of ~user03:54
honestlyI don't know what error messages are usual on an n90003:54
honestlyis this unusual? Jan  1 01:00:11 Nokia-N900-51-1 mce[785]: Error sending with reply to The name was not provided by any .service files03:54
DocScrutinizer05err, possibly03:54
honestlyor this - Jan  1 01:00:11 Nokia-N900-51-1 hildon-startup-progress[893]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib-GObject - g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed03:55
honestlyis hildon-startup-progress the process that displays the flashing lights?03:55
DocScrutinizer05yup, I think that's ormal03:55
DocScrutinizer05err, dunno for sure03:55
DocScrutinizer05ooops, progress, yes that is the one03:56
DocScrutinizer05jumping dots03:56
honestlyonly two log messages from it03:56
honestlythe former and - Jan  1 01:00:11 Nokia-N900-51-1 hildon-startup-progress[893]: GLIB DEBUG default - animation started03:56
DocScrutinizer05the jumping dots seem to work though03:57
honestlythere's a whole bunch of warnings and errors from the sms system, but I didn't look at those03:57
honestlyfigured those are probably normal03:57
DocScrutinizer05not necessarily03:58
DocScrutinizer05we seen hickups from SMs with non-printable chars03:58
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DocScrutinizer05or contact entries03:58
DocScrutinizer05removing SIM did fix it03:58
honestlyremoving sdcard and SIM didn't change anything in my case03:59
DocScrutinizer05then it's not relevant03:59
DocScrutinizer05maybe it's plain simple rootfs filled up?03:59
honestlynope, I checked that04:00
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honestlyand it happened again on the second or third boot after reflashing and installing CSSU, power kernel and a few packages04:00
* DocScrutinizer05 sighs and looks at syslog04:00
honestlyhere is the syslog from before I removed sim and uSD, pretty much the same:
DocScrutinizer05one minute after bootup:04:03
DocScrutinizer05Jan  1 01:01:35 Nokia-N900-51-1 mce[785]: Requesting shutdown from powerkey.c: generic_powerkey_handler(); action: 204:03
honestlythat was me holding down the power button04:03
DocScrutinizer05one minute after powering up??04:03
honestlyone minute and 35 seconds04:04
DocScrutinizer05dang, I wish my device oonly once would boot in 60 seconds04:04
honestlywell it never made it past the jumping dots04:04
honestlylet me time a boot04:04
DocScrutinizer05sorry I won't bother why your device didn't boot up after 97s04:05
DocScrutinizer05after 5 min, OK. But not after less than 204:05
honestly20 seconds to lock code04:05
honestlyI did wait for 5 minutes04:06
honestlymore than that04:06
honestlybut not for pulling the logs04:06
honestlyI probably let it sit for more than ten minutes at the jumping dots the first time it happened04:07
honestlybut I didn't have syslog installed then04:07
honestlyI had to install it via rescueOS04:07
DocScrutinizer05fsck is not done before jumping dots for all i can recall04:09
DocScrutinizer05damn upstart doesn't give away sequence of startup tasks easily04:11
honestlyn900 uses upstart?04:11
honestlysince which version?04:12
DocScrutinizer05did nobody tell you "maemo is *not* a plain debian"?04:12
DocScrutinizer05err since maemo2 maybe?04:12
honestly"Upstart replaced the sysvinit in Maemo 5 for Nokia Internet tablets."04:13
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DocScrutinizer05mhm, then since maemo504:13
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honestlythen this phone has always been on upstart04:14
DocScrutinizer05anyway, ask Pali or freemangordon, or use grep, to find the line in initscripts that invokes fsck for eMMC04:15
honestlyin any case, it needs to do fsck on a partition before it mounts that partition, anything else makes no sense04:15
DocScrutinizer05yes, exactly, and that's why it stalls on jumping dots when /home needs fsck04:15
honestlythat's interesting04:15
honestlyI did fsck all eMMC partitions with rescueOS and that didn't find any problems04:16
honestlyit's a mystery!04:16
DocScrutinizer05then it's a mundane ~user fsckup04:16
honestlyIf it happens again I'll make sure to let you take part in the debugging (:04:17
DocScrutinizer05some .file in a .dir in ~user has something that doesn't please HD04:17
DocScrutinizer05make sure to make a backup of ~user04:17
honestlyyou mean /home/user?04:17
DocScrutinizer05cp -ax ~user /home/user-backup04:18
honestlyI have a backup of that04:18
DocScrutinizer05next time it stalls on jumping dots, you move ~user to /home/user-fsckup and cp /home/user-backup ~user04:20
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honestlycp -ax you mean?04:21
DocScrutinizer05well not really, since in the backup there shpouldn't be any other filesystem mounted04:25
honestlyI'll still need -a or -r04:26
DocScrutinizer05but -a can't hurt ;-)04:26
honestlyso when is CSSU going to adopt systemd?04:29
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DocScrutinizer05most likely never04:35
DocScrutinizer05why should it? would that fix any bug in maemo?04:35
DocScrutinizer05would it add new functionality that can't get achived otherwise?04:35
DocScrutinizer05and btw I hope debian neither will adopt systemd ever04:36
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DocScrutinizer05CSSU isn't about moving on and surfing the bleeding edge of linux metamorphosis. CSSU is about maemo5 maintenance04:38
honestlydebian already voted for systemd04:39
honestlyand I was joking (:04:39
honestly(and ubuntu is abandoning upstart as a directo consequence of debian going systemd)04:39
DocScrutinizer05just because Mr Lennart Poettering thinks it's funny to force all developers/package-maintainers worldwide to refactor/patch their startup scripts, we won't do same for maemo5 packages. Not the last because we don't have maintainers for ~95% of packages in repos04:40
honestlymost systemd "startup scripts" have 5 lines04:41
DocScrutinizer05so what?04:41
honestlybut I don't want to do a systemd flamewar now04:41
Maxdamantusare N900s' audio jacks known to be relatively weak?04:41
DocScrutinizer05if you want to tell me "most systemd jobstart files don't work as supposed" then I'm tending to agree04:42
DocScrutinizer05Maxdamantus: nope04:42
Maxdamantuswhen walking, the headphone plug is able to come out enough for the sound to wobble.04:42
DocScrutinizer05never heard of that04:43
MaxdamantusHmm .. maybe it's my jack.04:43
Maxdamantuser, plug.04:43
Maxdamantusit's one I attached myself to the earphones, so might've squeezed it while screwing it in.04:44
Maxdamantusand my MP3 player's jack is really tight.04:44
* Maxdamantus looks for an unused plug.04:44
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Maxdamantusmeh, that one's not unused.04:46
Maxdamantuswell, it hasn't been potentially squeezed, since it's not soldered, but it seems just as easy for the device to drop off it.04:48
MaxdamantusI suspect it would drop off without wobbling if it were aligned with the device's center of mass.04:49
honestlyI would suggest acquiring a very small o-ring to put around the plug and seeing that makes for a sufficiently tight fit.04:51
honestlyseeing if*04:51
Maxdamantuswhat part of the plug?04:53
Maxdamantusthe base of the pointy bit?04:53
honestlythe base, yeah04:53
* Maxdamantus doesn't know the correct terminology.04:53
honestlybut really, any way you'd think could help04:54
honestlyI just pulled this idea out of my ass.04:54
Maxdamantusso it would try to get support from the case?04:54
Maxdamantusmight work, the plastic there seems reasonably thick.04:54
Maxdamantusthough it'd probably be fairly easy for it to be left in there.04:55
Maxdamantusor if not, it'd be difficult to take off when plugging the earphones into another jack.04:56
Maxdamantusthough the only other jack I use doesn't seem to mind it being out slightly.04:57
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MaxdamantusMaybe other people don't notice because they have the volume up louder or something.04:59
Maxdamantus(notice the wobble)04:59
honestlysleeptime for me04:59
Maxdamantusmy earphones seem to be relatively low-impedence, which might make them sensitive to that sort of stuff.04:59
MaxdamantusI couldn't use them on my laptop, because it produced way too much noise.05:00
Maxdamantusand my previous computer produced a bit of noise, which wasn't normally noticable with stuff playing.05:01
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Maxdamantusbut MP3 players and my current computer, and the N900 don't generate the noise.05:01
DocScrutinizer053.5mm plugs are known to not adhere any decent standard. find a better plug05:02
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Maxdamantusah yeah, this other bit of a plug I have (originally attached to some earphones, probably tricky to reuse) fits better.05:07
Maxdamantusnext time I buy some I'll see if they fit well in the N900 first.05:08
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keriohonestly: at any point, if you're writing to /dev/mtd* without using something specifically equipped to write to a flash memory, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG AND YOU SHOULD VERY MUCH STOP08:08
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MaxdamantusI think I've fixed my earphones' plug.08:15
Maxdamantusby just squeezing it in at the base.08:15
Maxdamantusseems a lot tighter, and doesn't sound like it has connection problems.08:15
MaxdamantusI remember after attaching another of the same plug to another pair of earphones and denting the base while screwing it with pliers, it was relatively stiff to plug in or pull out.08:17
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hxkaCR0W: does your N900 have any sort of "screen protector"?12:27
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hxkaApparently some of them reflect ir right back at the sensor, making it think it's closed12:28
hxkaCR0W: also see this thread:
hxkaDocScrutinizer05: Cubian uses ext4 on NAND, lol12:35
hxkaI know that from user complaining that he has corrupted files on his cubian12:35
hxkaWhat a bif surprise12:35
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hxkahonestly: Wait, what? Reflashing helps with your problem? If that's the case, what you're doing with N900 *after* the flashing probably causes the problem. Try rebooting after avery change you made (e.g. installing something) to see what exatly.12:45
hxkaHave to go, bye12:45
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* Maxdamantus is going to do this USB solder thing.13:25
DocScrutinizer05Maxdamantus: good plan13:33
DocScrutinizer05get a decent 80W iron13:33
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Maxdamantusah, 25W :\13:34
DocScrutinizer05for soldering down the USB you will probably want a larger one13:34
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* Maxdamantus wonders how important it is to do both sides.14:11
Maxdamantusmeh, the solder on the left side isn't just popping off, so probably good enough.14:13
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MaxdamantusSeems to have been a success, other than cutting my finger while sanding room for the blob.15:24
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CR0WDocScrutinizer05 I have an update. It seems not only the proximity sensor doesn't work, but also the front camera. There's no /dev/video1 and creating that with mknod doesn't help. This leads me to suspect the whole flex might be damaged at some point, instead of either of those devices.15:45
CR0WDocScrutinizer05 and the seller wrote some bullshit about the screen lock being a function that one can disable. I wonder if it's possible the flex was damaged in transport.15:47
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DocScrutinizer05CR0W: the device is thoroughly damaged in multiple ways. No way the seller didn't know about that. You ought to get your money back16:04
DocScrutinizer05CR0W: honestly, for ~100$ you can find "like new" perfectly working N90016:05
CR0WDocScrutinizer05 unfortunatelly, since the seller is not an enterprise, he's not required to refund me.16:05
CR0WDocScrutinizer05 I found another N900 with broken microsub, and I think I'll buy it for 10$ and have replacement parts.16:06
DocScrutinizer05rather fix the USB on that other N900 and take the replacement parts from your current device16:07
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CR0WI don't have a solder station.16:07
DocScrutinizer05phone repair shop can do that for you16:07
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CR0WHmm, actually, I could give this one to a shop and they could replace a flex for me.16:08
DocScrutinizer05fixing USB is easier than fixing felx cable and battery cover hall switch (and then wait for the next defect shoing up)16:08
FIQN900 with broken usb for $10? that's pretty cheap16:08
CR0WYeah, but what will I do with this one I bought when I won't get a refund?16:09
CR0WFIQ there's no price, but I want to give 10$ max. Maybe 20.16:09
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DocScrutinizer05CR0W: what I told you, use it for spare parts. It's obviously more reasonable to slaughter the inferior device for spare parts and keep the superior one and fix it16:19
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CR0WI can't explain how depressed I feel I bought 100$ piece of crap. I won't buy anything that expensive from an individual over internet again.16:21
DocScrutinizer05but when you actually can't get a refund then you should disclose the name/bay-id of the seller, and give him/her a decent thumbs-down rating16:21
CR0WIt's not ebay. I'll give a negative comment if he won't refund me.16:22
DocScrutinizer05CR0W: btw I was able to confirm your md5sum ;-)16:22
CR0WDocScrutinizer05 confirm with what?16:22
DocScrutinizer05nevermind, not important16:31
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CR0WDocScrutinizer05 For now, until I'll have a functional phone, I'll get the kernel source and patch those two sensors.16:33
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DocScrutinizer05anyway since I currently deal with a (relatively) large number of N900, I can tell that by judging from range of IMEIs I've seen it seems Nokia built ~600k devices minimum16:34
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CR0WDocScrutinizer05 so what do I need to build a kernel for maemo and install, besides flasher?16:34
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DocScrutinizer05umm, kernel sources. and scratchbox16:34
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon or pali will be happy to help with details16:35
CR0WThanks! I'll read the wiki for now.16:37
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CR0WDocScrutinizer05 wnat to hear a joke? That seller that sold me the defective n900, has an offer now for the flex cable.16:39
CR0WAnd wrote that it's "100% good", like on the offer for (now) my n900.16:41
CR0WDocScrutinizer05 oh, and the phone was taken apart probably and one screw is missing.16:43
alien2003Hi. Is it possible to spoof somehow IMEI number on Nokia N900?16:44
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hxkaI don't think so16:51
hxkaMaybe it's possible to replace software responsible for getting the IMEI16:53
hxkaOr fool it somehow16:53
hxkaThat's purely visual, of course, and won't change IMEI your operator sees16:56
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DocScrutinizer05alien2003: definitely nope17:21
DocScrutinizer05alien2003: afaik in BB5 modem the IMEI is fused to the chip#s ROM17:21
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hxkaYou can theoretically replace BB517:22
hxkaIt's easier to replace the phone though17:22
DocScrutinizer05alien2003: and actually you don't want to do that anyway. There's no use in sppofing IMEI except when you want to use a stolen device that got blacklisted17:23
DocScrutinizer05alien2003: any "privacy considerations" are a big hoax, changing IMEI doesn't help to hide your identity17:24
alien2003DocScrutinizer05, thank you. I just want to reduxe tracking17:25
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DocScrutinizer05we discussed all possible scenarios during last 2 weeks, and there's basically only ONE usecase where IMEI can help to "reduce tracking": when you want to do fully encrypted data over GPRS, means you had to use an anonymous VPN. Any phonecall or SMS already compromises your anonymity, as does any data connection to any service that's not encrypted in the VPN17:27
DocScrutinizer05and even then you probbaly will give away your identity by travel pattern (mind you, they *always* can locate a mobile device)17:28
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jaskachanging imei without changing imsi is meaningless17:29
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DocScrutinizer05you're honestly better off with simply not using internet (and phone, quite obviously) when you want to stay anonymous. Phonebooth is only thing you may use, given you pay by coins, never use a phonebooth twice, and only use booths that are far away from your home and are not video-monitored in a maybe 1km radius17:30
DocScrutinizer05jaska: self evident17:31
DocScrutinizer05when you use a SIM that's been paid for with your credit card then IMEI doesn't matter at all17:32
DocScrutinizer05changing it just rings a very loud alarm bell at carrier's monitoring&accounting facilities17:32
DocScrutinizer05get a USB UMTS stick for your data access, get a SIM with dataplan for that, pay in real money, try to avoid any registration (mandatory in almost all countries nowadays, so pretty hard to avoid), and you're kinda fine regarding tracking for a few weeks, when you avoid doing any email or logging in to facebook or... you name it17:35
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hxkaunless through vpn17:37
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DocScrutinizer05watch your search terms at google and your visits to any not too popular sites in general. visiting e,g, already reduces number of possible users for that IMEI from ~5billion to a few thousand. Now when you visit a second similarly "exotic" site, they probably already can guess who you are17:38
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DocScrutinizer05hxka: yes, but VPN has to be a) trustworthy to not spy at you, and b) not linked to you in *any* way17:39
DocScrutinizer05hard to find such service17:39
DocScrutinizer05ooh, and c) the amount of traffic handled by that VPN provider has to be high enough so you can't analyze traffic from outside and correlate encrypted toplain text data17:40
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DocScrutinizer05IOW when you're the only customer of that service, you earned nothing regarding anonymity. agencies simply spy on outbound clear text traffic of that provider then and instantly know that's yours.17:41
DocScrutinizer05when you're one of 200 customers, no differnece, they still can correlate17:42
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saifis there a telnet daemon running by default  in n900 ??17:59
hxkaHell no18:02
jogasaif, no...18:02
saifoh.. okay..18:02
saifnot even a client..18:03
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DocScrutinizer05(random comment) >>...die machen das wohl auch nur ehrenamtlich? Sag ihnen doch sie sollen einen *Eigenbeleg* schreiben fuer die 50 Tacken. Zwei von denen unterschreiben und gut is<<19:26
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DocScrutinizer05meh, fed up with all this shit19:27
DocScrutinizer05cheer up community! super-chem|st does all that now for you, in stealth mode: >>Again, backup is taken care of. Nothing for Council to worry about. Nothing for you to worry about<<19:30
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M4rtinKso lets see if we can get PyOtherSide running on Fremantle :)23:44
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