IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2014-02-28

DocScrutinizer05	N900 has the needed comparators	00:00
CR0W	Cool. In a few months I'll have time for playing with stuff, so I'll take this, if it won't be done yet.	00:00
DocScrutinizer05	much appreciated	00:00
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CR0W	Never did any kernel stuff, but I know C99 good.	00:01
DocScrutinizer05	that particular driver is maybe not so much kernel at all	00:01
DocScrutinizer05	well, it probably is	00:01
DocScrutinizer05	it needs to bitbang serial	00:02
DocScrutinizer05	this needs terse timing	00:02
CR0W	It's something called nokia-av.c I think.	00:02
DocScrutinizer05	yep	00:02
DocScrutinizer05	check for ECI in there	00:02
CR0W	OK. I need to setup a dev envirioment.	00:03
DocScrutinizer05	:-)	00:03
CR0W	What tools do we use?	00:03
DocScrutinizer05	scratchbox	00:03
DocScrutinizer05	all sane devels use VM now	00:04
CR0W	What's that?	00:04
DocScrutinizer05	~sb	00:04
infobot	well, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, or hosted by maemo.org now, maintainer thedead1440	00:04
CR0W	Oh, OK.	00:04
CR0W	Does it use qemu?	00:04
DocScrutinizer05	yep, afaik	00:04
DocScrutinizer05	there's a VM image	00:05
DocScrutinizer05	roundabout 1GB	00:05
CR0W	So I can boot the stuff in qemu and see if things work, except for maybe devices like accelerometer?	00:05
DocScrutinizer05	more convenient than "native" scratchbox on host	00:05
DocScrutinizer05	yes	00:05
CR0W	Great.	00:05
DocScrutinizer05	that qemu in qemu then, when yu use a VM ;-)	00:06
CR0W	Inception, heh.	00:06
DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon: what's the damn filename of the scratchbox VM image?	00:07
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DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: ping	00:08
arcean	Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final ?	00:08
DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: ^^^^^	00:08
DocScrutinizer05	yep, that	00:08
merlin1991	yep	00:08
DocScrutinizer05	CR0W: google for that	00:09
merlin1991	or http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB/	00:09
DocScrutinizer05	~sb	00:09
infobot	methinks scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, or hosted by maemo.org now, maintainer thedead1440	00:09
DocScrutinizer05	~literal sb	00:09
infobot	"#maemo sb" is "<reply>see scratchbox"	00:09
DocScrutinizer05	~#maemo sb is also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB/	00:10
infobot	okay, DocScrutinizer05	00:10
DocScrutinizer05	~sb	00:10
infobot	scratchbox is, like, a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, or hosted by maemo.org now, maintainer thedead1440, or at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB/	00:10
CR0W	Found it, thanks.	00:11
DocScrutinizer05	errr cough	00:13
DocScrutinizer05	~literal sb	00:13
infobot	"#maemo sb" is "<reply>see scratchbox"	00:13
DocScrutinizer05	wow, infobot is so smaaaart	00:13
DocScrutinizer05	and I'm so unattentative	00:14
DocScrutinizer05	~literal scratchbox	00:14
infobot	"scratchbox" is "a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, or hosted by maemo.org now, maintainer thedead1440, or at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB/"	00:14
DocScrutinizer05	~botsnack	00:15
infobot	thanks, DocScrutinizer05	00:15
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CR0W	DocScrutinizer05: Question: when chargin, should there also a little led in the corner light up?	00:17
DocScrutinizer05	yes, usually should	00:17
DocScrutinizer05	though for "normal" charging user is free to define all he likes, from flashing fireworks to no notification at all	00:18
DocScrutinizer05	usually only shows when screen is locked	00:18
DocScrutinizer05	yellow flashing	00:18
DocScrutinizer05	when you get steady yellow, something is odd	00:19
CR0W	Well, I didn't observe it flashing at any point. So another defect I think.	00:19
DocScrutinizer05	lock screen!	00:20
DocScrutinizer05	slider lockswirch right side	00:20
CR0W	I'll try after flash.	00:20
DocScrutinizer05	yeah, during flashing it neither locks nor charges	00:21
CR0W	OK, it's rebooting and I see those icons pulsing.	00:22
CR0W	Hands, yay!	00:22
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DocScrutinizer05	ooh, friggin hands	00:28
DocScrutinizer05	~jrtools	00:28
infobot	i heard jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools	00:28
DocScrutinizer05	for the rescue	00:28
CR0W	Ok, flashed and still broken. I'll try to return it.	00:28
CR0W	The most problematic thing is the cover open state will cause microsd cards to not work.	00:29
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CR0W	DocScrutinizer05: are you still here?	00:56
DocScrutinizer05	yes	00:56
CR0W	DocScrutinizer05: I guess downgrade won't help with my problem, right?	00:57
DocScrutinizer05	there's a patched kernel driver module somewhere that ignores the magnet sensor	00:57
DocScrutinizer05	no, downgrade doesn't help	00:57
CR0W	DocScrutinizer05: I thought about that, I'll probably do that and patch also the poximity sensor.	00:57
CR0W	How does the prox. sensor work, is it an ir led and sensor?	00:58
DocScrutinizer05	you rather should send back the device to that b***ard who sold it to you	00:58
DocScrutinizer05	yes	00:58
DocScrutinizer05	integrated	00:58
CR0W	Could it be that under the screen cover it's just dirty?	00:59
CR0W	Is it hard to remove that cover?	00:59
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DocScrutinizer05	well, it's not exactly easy	01:00
DocScrutinizer05	you have to disassemble from backside	01:01
DocScrutinizer05	first disassemble bottom half and detach screen flex cable carefully	01:01
DocScrutinizer05	get service manual for that	01:01
CR0W	OK.	01:02
DocScrutinizer05	I however never heard about dirt causing proximity sensor failing	01:02
CR0W	Also, in gpio-switch/proximity,	01:02
CR0W	there's disable	01:02
CR0W	and it has value 1.	01:02
CR0W	What does that mean?	01:02
DocScrutinizer05	o.O	01:02
DocScrutinizer05	nfc. has "1" here too	01:03
DocScrutinizer05	he sensor is always powered. lways working, and always reporting directly to a GPIO	01:04
DocScrutinizer05	afaik	01:04
DocScrutinizer05	~schematics	01:04
infobot	extra, extra, read all about it, schematics is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic	01:04
DocScrutinizer05	it's a OSRAM combined IR detector	01:05
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CR0W	I wonder, is it a common problem with those sensors, like with the micro usb desoldering?	01:05
DocScrutinizer05	I heard of them going thermonuclear and even burn a hole into digitizer.	01:06
CR0W	Wow.	01:06
DocScrutinizer05	once report	01:06
DocScrutinizer05	one*	01:06
CR0W	So I guess I should be glad I didn't get one that explodes.	01:07
DocScrutinizer05	you can swap whole flex cable	01:07
CR0W	I could take those two sensors from an N900 sold as broken if it was really cheap.	01:09
DocScrutinizer05	a new flex cable cost ~8bucks	01:09
honestly	18:18:17 < freemangordon> honestly: try a couple of flashes, that might mark all bad blocks and fix your problems	01:10
honestly	ouch :\|	01:10
DocScrutinizer05	http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Flex-Cable-Ribbon-with-Camera-For-Nokia-N900-/280966940848?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item416aef48b0	01:11
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CR0W	DocScrutinizer05: I rather not buy from ebay, I prefer my local auctioning site (allegro).	01:12
DocScrutinizer05	the backcover hall switch is a bigger problem	01:12
CR0W	DocScrutinizer05: how is it connected?	01:12
DocScrutinizer05	that's your nightmare	01:12
CR0W	Meh, I'd live with patched kernel for the hall, if the proximity ir works.	01:14
DocScrutinizer05	it's soldered to a "satellite" PCB that's tightly connected to the main PCB. Integrated flexible PCB cable. When that is broken, your camera LEDs and hall switch and camera door sensor (another of those OSRAM proximity sensors) and the uSD will never come back	01:14
DocScrutinizer05	http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/	01:15
DocScrutinizer05	http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/n900_12.jpeg uooer right small brownish thingie	01:15
CR0W	But that sattelite PCB is connected with some zif connector?	01:15
DocScrutinizer05	no	01:16
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DocScrutinizer05	it's basically one PCB with a flexible section	01:16
DocScrutinizer05	the most nasty hardware I ever seen	01:16
CR0W	Oh, it's joined with the main one.	01:16
CR0W	Damn.	01:16
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DocScrutinizer05	http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/platine_02.jpeg	01:17
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DocScrutinizer05	honestly, rather try to get your money back and get a better N900. One thta works	01:18
DocScrutinizer05	when you had paid 50$ for it, i'd say it's worth repairing it. 100$ though, you should expect "like new" condition	01:20
DocScrutinizer05	and when the sattelite conncetion ribbon is broken, you're completely out of luck	01:21
DocScrutinizer05	check camera! does it flash?	01:21
DocScrutinizer05	does it notice door open?	01:22
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DocScrutinizer05	http://wstaw.org/m/2014/02/28/plasma-desktopDk3389.png left bizarre thing is OSRAM proximity IR sensor for cam door. right tiny "MK" is a hall switch for battery cover. Top right is a part of uSD card	01:24
honestly	DocScrutinizer05: I've had this phone for two years	01:25
honestly	and it's been worth the 70 euros I paid (:	01:26
CR0W	Camera works properly.	01:29
CR0W	Flash also.	01:29
CR0W	Accelerometer also, screen as well, touch yep, not tested gps and ir, usb works, bluetooth and wifi works.	01:30
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DocScrutinizer05	umm, netsplit pending?	02:40
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DocScrutinizer05	CR0W: you should test modem	02:42
DocScrutinizer05	"No SIM" is #2 on error ranking	02:43
DocScrutinizer05	right after "USB loose"	02:43
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honestly	where does the n900 save its lock code?	03:16
nox-	~lockcode	03:17
honestly	it seems like it retains the lock code through a full reflash	03:17
nox-	hm	03:17
nox-	ah the bot is awol :(	03:18
nox-	<infobot> somebody said lockcode was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522	03:18
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honestly	what is /dev/mtd1?	03:24
nox-	a flash partition	03:25
nox-	DocScrutinizer05 probably knows more	03:25
DocScrutinizer05	no, not more	03:26
honestly	ah	03:27
nox-	hum	03:27
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honestly	so I could just write to that to change the lock code?	03:28
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DocScrutinizer05	no	03:30
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DocScrutinizer05	reflash is supposed to ignore lockcode when both rootfs and eMMC get flashed (since PR1.2 or 1.3)	03:31
DocScrutinizer05	please read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522, it's clearly explaining that you need to "crack" what's written in CAL, and you definitely don't have the tools nor the data to write to there	03:32
honestly	I don't need to crack anything	03:33
honestly	I know my lock code	03:33
DocScrutinizer05	then what's your problem?	03:33
honestly	I don't have a problem, I'm just curious	03:33
honestly	if I boot rescueOS, what is going to stop me from writing to /dev/mtd1 with, say, dd?	03:33
DocScrutinizer05	nothing	03:34
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DocScrutinizer05	except that NAND doesn't work with dd	03:34
honestly	ah, so I'd have to use the flasher	03:35
DocScrutinizer05	you can try nevertheless, but result will be destruction of cal irrespectively of what and how you try to write to there	03:35
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honestly	cal?	03:36
DocScrutinizer05	please read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522	03:36
DocScrutinizer05	~cal	03:36
honestly	...I read that...	03:36
DocScrutinizer05	damn you, bot	03:36
nox-	bot is awol	03:36
honestly	it doesn't say what "cal" is	03:36
DocScrutinizer05	cal is mtd1	03:36
honestly	okay	03:37
honestly	well I'm glad my bad blocks aren't where my lock code is (:	03:37
DocScrutinizer05	cal takes care of that	03:38
DocScrutinizer05	as does ubifs	03:38
honestly	what do you mean?	03:38
DocScrutinizer05	and flasher I'd think	03:38
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DocScrutinizer05	I meant your lockcode CANNOT be on a bad block	03:39
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DocScrutinizer05	since cal wouldn't write it to a badblock	03:40
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honestly	well, eventually flash develops more bad blocks (as happened to me)	03:40
DocScrutinizer05	yes, on writing	03:40
DocScrutinizer05	a block never goes bad on reading it	03:41
DocScrutinizer05	and when CAL detects it tries to a block that's bad, it picks next block to write data to it	03:41
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DocScrutinizer05	that's why you don't have ext3 or fat filesystem on NAND but stuff like CAL or ubifs	03:42
honestly	then how did my phone spontaneously develop the hang-with-flashing-lights bug?	03:43
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DocScrutinizer05	shrug	03:43
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DocScrutinizer05	maybe stuck on eMMC fsck	03:44
honestly	feel free to take a look at the log if you want: http://ix.io/au2	03:45
honestly	log from one of the hung boots	03:45
DocScrutinizer05	if you had CSSU and CSSU already had the signalling I urged to get into initscripts, you could tell from indicator led	03:45
DocScrutinizer05	~cal	03:47
infobot	methinks cal is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465	03:47
honestly	and the flashing lights are part of the gui... they wouldn't show up before fsck is done	03:48
honestly	if it's the normal kernel startup fsck	03:48
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DocScrutinizer05	mhm	03:49
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DocScrutinizer05	well, then something is fsckdup in your system	03:49
honestly	of course	03:50
honestly	but I'd like to know what is (:	03:50
DocScrutinizer05	not unheard of that HD hangs when bad widgets are plugged in or transitions.ini is messed up or whatever	03:50
DocScrutinizer05	move /home/user to /home/not-user; mkdir /home/user	03:51
honestly	I'll try that the next time it happens	03:51
honestly	for now I fixed it by reflashing	03:52
DocScrutinizer05	I'm too lazy to scrutinize your syslog (if it's even a syslog). Did it show some unusual error messages?	03:52
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honestly	it's a syslog	03:53
honestly	and I don't know	03:53
DocScrutinizer05	well, when it works now, maybe a fine idea was to create a backup of ~user	03:54
honestly	I don't know what error messages are usual on an n900	03:54
honestly	is this unusual? Jan 1 01:00:11 Nokia-N900-51-1 mce[785]: Error sending with reply to com.nokia.system_ui.request.tklock_close: The name com.nokia.system_ui was not provided by any .service files	03:54
DocScrutinizer05	err, possibly	03:54
honestly	or this - Jan 1 01:00:11 Nokia-N900-51-1 hildon-startup-progress[893]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib-GObject - g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed	03:55
honestly	is hildon-startup-progress the process that displays the flashing lights?	03:55
DocScrutinizer05	yup, I think that's ormal	03:55
DocScrutinizer05	no	03:55
DocScrutinizer05	err, dunno for sure	03:55
DocScrutinizer05	ooops, progress, yes that is the one	03:56
DocScrutinizer05	jumping dots	03:56
honestly	yeah	03:56
honestly	only two log messages from it	03:56
honestly	the former and - Jan 1 01:00:11 Nokia-N900-51-1 hildon-startup-progress[893]: GLIB DEBUG default - animation started	03:56
DocScrutinizer05	the jumping dots seem to work though	03:57
honestly	yup	03:57
honestly	there's a whole bunch of warnings and errors from the sms system, but I didn't look at those	03:57
honestly	figured those are probably normal	03:57
DocScrutinizer05	not necessarily	03:58
DocScrutinizer05	we seen hickups from SMs with non-printable chars	03:58
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DocScrutinizer05	or contact entries	03:58
DocScrutinizer05	removing SIM did fix it	03:58
honestly	removing sdcard and SIM didn't change anything in my case	03:59
DocScrutinizer05	then it's not relevant	03:59
DocScrutinizer05	maybe it's plain simple rootfs filled up?	03:59
honestly	nope, I checked that	04:00
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honestly	and it happened again on the second or third boot after reflashing and installing CSSU, power kernel and a few packages	04:00
* DocScrutinizer05 sighs and looks at syslog		04:00
honestly	here is the syslog from before I removed sim and uSD, pretty much the same: http://ix.io/atZ	04:02
DocScrutinizer05	one minute after bootup:	04:03
DocScrutinizer05	Jan 1 01:01:35 Nokia-N900-51-1 mce[785]: Requesting shutdown from powerkey.c: generic_powerkey_handler(); action: 2	04:03
honestly	yes	04:03
honestly	that was me holding down the power button	04:03
DocScrutinizer05	one minute after powering up??	04:03
honestly	one minute and 35 seconds	04:04
DocScrutinizer05	dang, I wish my device oonly once would boot in 60 seconds	04:04
honestly	haha	04:04
honestly	well it never made it past the jumping dots	04:04
DocScrutinizer05	INVALID	04:04
honestly	let me time a boot	04:04
DocScrutinizer05	sorry I won't bother why your device didn't boot up after 97s	04:05
DocScrutinizer05	after 5 min, OK. But not after less than 2	04:05
honestly	20 seconds to lock code	04:05
honestly	oh	04:05
honestly	I did wait for 5 minutes	04:06
honestly	more than that	04:06
honestly	but not for pulling the logs	04:06
honestly	I probably let it sit for more than ten minutes at the jumping dots the first time it happened	04:07
honestly	but I didn't have syslog installed then	04:07
honestly	I had to install it via rescueOS	04:07
DocScrutinizer05	fsck is not done before jumping dots for all i can recall	04:09
honestly	huh	04:09
DocScrutinizer05	damn upstart doesn't give away sequence of startup tasks easily	04:11
honestly	n900 uses upstart?	04:11
DocScrutinizer05	yes	04:11
honestly	since which version?	04:12
DocScrutinizer05	did nobody tell you "maemo is not a plain debian"?	04:12
DocScrutinizer05	err since maemo2 maybe?	04:12
honestly	"Upstart replaced the sysvinit in Maemo 5 for Nokia Internet tablets."	04:13
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DocScrutinizer05	mhm, then since maemo5	04:13
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honestly	then this phone has always been on upstart	04:14
honestly	neat.	04:14
DocScrutinizer05	yes	04:14
DocScrutinizer05	anyway, ask Pali or freemangordon, or use grep, to find the line in initscripts that invokes fsck for eMMC	04:15
honestly	in any case, it needs to do fsck on a partition before it mounts that partition, anything else makes no sense	04:15
DocScrutinizer05	yes, exactly, and that's why it stalls on jumping dots when /home needs fsck	04:15
honestly	that's interesting	04:15
DocScrutinizer05	afaik	04:16
honestly	I did fsck all eMMC partitions with rescueOS and that didn't find any problems	04:16
DocScrutinizer05	hmm	04:16
honestly	it's a mystery!	04:16
DocScrutinizer05	then it's a mundane ~user fsckup	04:16
honestly	If it happens again I'll make sure to let you take part in the debugging (:	04:17
DocScrutinizer05	some .file in a .dir in ~user has something that doesn't please HD	04:17
DocScrutinizer05	make sure to make a backup of ~user	04:17
honestly	you mean /home/user?	04:17
DocScrutinizer05	cp -ax ~user /home/user-backup	04:18
honestly	I have a backup of that	04:18
DocScrutinizer05	next time it stalls on jumping dots, you move ~user to /home/user-fsckup and cp /home/user-backup ~user	04:20
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honestly	cp -ax you mean?	04:21
DocScrutinizer05	well not really, since in the backup there shpouldn't be any other filesystem mounted	04:25
honestly	I'll still need -a or -r	04:26
DocScrutinizer05	but -a can't hurt ;-)	04:26
honestly	(:	04:27
honestly	so when is CSSU going to adopt systemd?	04:29
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DocScrutinizer05	most likely never	04:35
DocScrutinizer05	why should it? would that fix any bug in maemo?	04:35
DocScrutinizer05	would it add new functionality that can't get achived otherwise?	04:35
DocScrutinizer05	and btw I hope debian neither will adopt systemd ever	04:36
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DocScrutinizer05	CSSU isn't about moving on and surfing the bleeding edge of linux metamorphosis. CSSU is about maemo5 maintenance	04:38
honestly	debian already voted for systemd	04:39
honestly	and I was joking (:	04:39
honestly	(and ubuntu is abandoning upstart as a directo consequence of debian going systemd)	04:39
DocScrutinizer05	just because Mr Lennart Poettering thinks it's funny to force all developers/package-maintainers worldwide to refactor/patch their startup scripts, we won't do same for maemo5 packages. Not the last because we don't have maintainers for ~95% of packages in repos	04:40
honestly	most systemd "startup scripts" have 5 lines	04:41
DocScrutinizer05	so what?	04:41
honestly	but I don't want to do a systemd flamewar now	04:41
Maxdamantus	are N900s' audio jacks known to be relatively weak?	04:41
DocScrutinizer05	if you want to tell me "most systemd jobstart files don't work as supposed" then I'm tending to agree	04:42
DocScrutinizer05	Maxdamantus: nope	04:42
Maxdamantus	when walking, the headphone plug is able to come out enough for the sound to wobble.	04:42
DocScrutinizer05	never heard of that	04:43
Maxdamantus	Hmm .. maybe it's my jack.	04:43
Maxdamantus	er, plug.	04:43
Maxdamantus	it's one I attached myself to the earphones, so might've squeezed it while screwing it in.	04:44
Maxdamantus	and my MP3 player's jack is really tight.	04:44
* Maxdamantus looks for an unused plug.		04:44
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Maxdamantus	meh, that one's not unused.	04:46
Maxdamantus	well, it hasn't been potentially squeezed, since it's not soldered, but it seems just as easy for the device to drop off it.	04:48
Maxdamantus	I suspect it would drop off without wobbling if it were aligned with the device's center of mass.	04:49
honestly	I would suggest acquiring a very small o-ring to put around the plug and seeing that makes for a sufficiently tight fit.	04:51
honestly	seeing if*	04:51
Maxdamantus	what part of the plug?	04:53
Maxdamantus	the base of the pointy bit?	04:53
honestly	the base, yeah	04:53
* Maxdamantus doesn't know the correct terminology.		04:53
honestly	but really, any way you'd think could help	04:54
honestly	I just pulled this idea out of my ass.	04:54
Maxdamantus	so it would try to get support from the case?	04:54
Maxdamantus	might work, the plastic there seems reasonably thick.	04:54
honestly	yeah	04:55
Maxdamantus	though it'd probably be fairly easy for it to be left in there.	04:55
Maxdamantus	or if not, it'd be difficult to take off when plugging the earphones into another jack.	04:56
Maxdamantus	though the only other jack I use doesn't seem to mind it being out slightly.	04:57
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Maxdamantus	Maybe other people don't notice because they have the volume up louder or something.	04:59
Maxdamantus	(notice the wobble)	04:59
honestly	sleeptime for me	04:59
Maxdamantus	my earphones seem to be relatively low-impedence, which might make them sensitive to that sort of stuff.	04:59
Maxdamantus	I couldn't use them on my laptop, because it produced way too much noise.	05:00
Maxdamantus	and my previous computer produced a bit of noise, which wasn't normally noticable with stuff playing.	05:01
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Maxdamantus	but MP3 players and my current computer, and the N900 don't generate the noise.	05:01
DocScrutinizer05	3.5mm plugs are known to not adhere any decent standard. find a better plug	05:02
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Maxdamantus	ah yeah, this other bit of a plug I have (originally attached to some earphones, probably tricky to reuse) fits better.	05:07
Maxdamantus	next time I buy some I'll see if they fit well in the N900 first.	05:08
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kerio	honestly: at any point, if you're writing to /dev/mtd* without using something specifically equipped to write to a flash memory, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG AND YOU SHOULD VERY MUCH STOP	08:08
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Maxdamantus	I think I've fixed my earphones' plug.	08:15
Maxdamantus	by just squeezing it in at the base.	08:15
Maxdamantus	seems a lot tighter, and doesn't sound like it has connection problems.	08:15
Maxdamantus	I remember after attaching another of the same plug to another pair of earphones and denting the base while screwing it with pliers, it was relatively stiff to plug in or pull out.	08:17
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hxka	CR0W: does your N900 have any sort of "screen protector"?	12:27
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hxka	Apparently some of them reflect ir right back at the sensor, making it think it's closed	12:28
hxka	CR0W: also see this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71442	12:31
hxka	DocScrutinizer05: Cubian uses ext4 on NAND, lol	12:35
hxka	I know that from user complaining that he has corrupted files on his cubian	12:35
hxka	What a bif surprise	12:35
hxka	big*	12:36
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hxka	http://paste.ubuntu.com/7009679/	12:41
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hxka	honestly: Wait, what? Reflashing helps with your problem? If that's the case, what you're doing with N900 after the flashing probably causes the problem. Try rebooting after avery change you made (e.g. installing something) to see what exatly.	12:45
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* Maxdamantus is going to do this USB solder thing.		13:25
DocScrutinizer05	Maxdamantus: good plan	13:33
DocScrutinizer05	get a decent 80W iron	13:33
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Maxdamantus	ah, 25W :\	13:34
DocScrutinizer05	for soldering down the USB you will probably want a larger one	13:34
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Maxdamantus	"probably"	13:35
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Maxdamantus	meh, the solder on the left side isn't just popping off, so probably good enough.	14:13
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Maxdamantus	Seems to have been a success, other than cutting my finger while sanding room for the blob.	15:24
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CR0W	DocScrutinizer05 I have an update. It seems not only the proximity sensor doesn't work, but also the front camera. There's no /dev/video1 and creating that with mknod doesn't help. This leads me to suspect the whole flex might be damaged at some point, instead of either of those devices.	15:45
CR0W	DocScrutinizer05 and the seller wrote some bullshit about the screen lock being a function that one can disable. I wonder if it's possible the flex was damaged in transport.	15:47
DocScrutinizer05	hardly	16:03
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DocScrutinizer05	CR0W: the device is thoroughly damaged in multiple ways. No way the seller didn't know about that. You ought to get your money back	16:04
DocScrutinizer05	CR0W: honestly, for ~100$ you can find "like new" perfectly working N900	16:05
CR0W	DocScrutinizer05 unfortunatelly, since the seller is not an enterprise, he's not required to refund me.	16:05
CR0W	DocScrutinizer05 I found another N900 with broken microsub, and I think I'll buy it for 10$ and have replacement parts.	16:06
DocScrutinizer05	rather fix the USB on that other N900 and take the replacement parts from your current device	16:07
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CR0W	I don't have a solder station.	16:07
DocScrutinizer05	phone repair shop can do that for you	16:07
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CR0W	Hmm, actually, I could give this one to a shop and they could replace a flex for me.	16:08
DocScrutinizer05	fixing USB is easier than fixing felx cable and battery cover hall switch (and then wait for the next defect shoing up)	16:08
FIQ	N900 with broken usb for $10? that's pretty cheap	16:08
CR0W	Yeah, but what will I do with this one I bought when I won't get a refund?	16:09
CR0W	FIQ there's no price, but I want to give 10$ max. Maybe 20.	16:09
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DocScrutinizer05	CR0W: what I told you, use it for spare parts. It's obviously more reasonable to slaughter the inferior device for spare parts and keep the superior one and fix it	16:19
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CR0W	I can't explain how depressed I feel I bought 100$ piece of crap. I won't buy anything that expensive from an individual over internet again.	16:21
DocScrutinizer05	but when you actually can't get a refund then you should disclose the name/bay-id of the seller, and give him/her a decent thumbs-down rating	16:21
CR0W	It's not ebay. I'll give a negative comment if he won't refund me.	16:22
DocScrutinizer05	CR0W: btw I was able to confirm your md5sum ;-)	16:22
CR0W	DocScrutinizer05 confirm with what?	16:22
DocScrutinizer05	nevermind, not important	16:31
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CR0W	DocScrutinizer05 For now, until I'll have a functional phone, I'll get the kernel source and patch those two sensors.	16:33
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DocScrutinizer05	anyway since I currently deal with a (relatively) large number of N900, I can tell that by judging from range of IMEIs I've seen it seems Nokia built ~600k devices minimum	16:34
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CR0W	DocScrutinizer05 so what do I need to build a kernel for maemo and install, besides flasher?	16:34
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DocScrutinizer05	umm, kernel sources. and scratchbox	16:34
DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon or pali will be happy to help with details	16:35
CR0W	Thanks! I'll read the wiki for now.	16:37
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CR0W	DocScrutinizer05 wnat to hear a joke? That seller that sold me the defective n900, has an offer now for the flex cable.	16:39
DocScrutinizer05	HAHA	16:39
CR0W	And wrote that it's "100% good", like on the offer for (now) my n900.	16:41
CR0W	DocScrutinizer05 oh, and the phone was taken apart probably and one screw is missing.	16:43
alien2003	Hi. Is it possible to spoof somehow IMEI number on Nokia N900?	16:44
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hxka	I don't think so	16:51
hxka	Maybe it's possible to replace software responsible for getting the IMEI	16:53
hxka	Or fool it somehow	16:53
hxka	That's purely visual, of course, and won't change IMEI your operator sees	16:56
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DocScrutinizer05	alien2003: definitely nope	17:21
DocScrutinizer05	alien2003: afaik in BB5 modem the IMEI is fused to the chip#s ROM	17:21
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hxka	You can theoretically replace BB5	17:22
hxka	It's easier to replace the phone though	17:22
DocScrutinizer05	alien2003: and actually you don't want to do that anyway. There's no use in sppofing IMEI except when you want to use a stolen device that got blacklisted	17:23
DocScrutinizer05	alien2003: any "privacy considerations" are a big hoax, changing IMEI doesn't help to hide your identity	17:24
alien2003	DocScrutinizer05, thank you. I just want to reduxe tracking	17:25
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DocScrutinizer05	we discussed all possible scenarios during last 2 weeks, and there's basically only ONE usecase where IMEI can help to "reduce tracking": when you want to do fully encrypted data over GPRS, means you had to use an anonymous VPN. Any phonecall or SMS already compromises your anonymity, as does any data connection to any service that's not encrypted in the VPN	17:27
DocScrutinizer05	and even then you probbaly will give away your identity by travel pattern (mind you, they always can locate a mobile device)	17:28
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jaska	changing imei without changing imsi is meaningless	17:29
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DocScrutinizer05	you're honestly better off with simply not using internet (and phone, quite obviously) when you want to stay anonymous. Phonebooth is only thing you may use, given you pay by coins, never use a phonebooth twice, and only use booths that are far away from your home and are not video-monitored in a maybe 1km radius	17:30
DocScrutinizer05	jaska: self evident	17:31
DocScrutinizer05	when you use a SIM that's been paid for with your credit card then IMEI doesn't matter at all	17:32
DocScrutinizer05	changing it just rings a very loud alarm bell at carrier's monitoring&accounting facilities	17:32
DocScrutinizer05	get a USB UMTS stick for your data access, get a SIM with dataplan for that, pay in real money, try to avoid any registration (mandatory in almost all countries nowadays, so pretty hard to avoid), and you're kinda fine regarding tracking for a few weeks, when you avoid doing any email or logging in to facebook or... you name it	17:35
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hxka	unless through vpn	17:37
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DocScrutinizer05	watch your search terms at google and your visits to any not too popular sites in general. visiting e,g, maemo.org already reduces number of possible users for that IMEI from ~5billion to a few thousand. Now when you visit a second similarly "exotic" site, they probably already can guess who you are	17:38
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DocScrutinizer05	hxka: yes, but VPN has to be a) trustworthy to not spy at you, and b) not linked to you in any way	17:39
DocScrutinizer05	hard to find such service	17:39
DocScrutinizer05	ooh, and c) the amount of traffic handled by that VPN provider has to be high enough so you can't analyze traffic from outside and correlate encrypted toplain text data	17:40
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DocScrutinizer05	IOW when you're the only customer of that service, you earned nothing regarding anonymity. agencies simply spy on outbound clear text traffic of that provider then and instantly know that's yours.	17:41
DocScrutinizer05	when you're one of 200 customers, no differnece, they still can correlate	17:42
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saif	is there a telnet daemon running by default in n900 ??	17:59
hxka	Hell no	18:02
joga	saif, no...	18:02
saif	oh.. okay..	18:02
saif	not even a client..	18:03
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DocScrutinizer05	(random comment) >>...die machen das wohl auch nur ehrenamtlich? Sag ihnen doch sie sollen einen Eigenbeleg schreiben fuer die 50 Tacken. Zwei von denen unterschreiben und gut is<<	19:26
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DocScrutinizer05	meh, fed up with all this shit	19:27
DocScrutinizer05	cheer up community! super-chem\|st does all that now for you, in stealth mode: >>Again, backup is taken care of. Nothing for Council to worry about. Nothing for you to worry about<<	19:30
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M4rtinK	so lets see if we can get PyOtherSide running on Fremantle :)	23:44
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