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| DocScrutinizer05 | mldr: never use epoxy! | 06:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, sixwheeledbeast already said same | 06:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mldr: check your USB receptacle inside with a magnifier glass | 07:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes the contacts are dirty or bent, somtimes there's debris inside the receptacle | 07:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mldr: I gather you already tried another cable, did you? | 07:16 |
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| kakaballi | :( flasher downloads not available | 09:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | google is your friend | 09:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 | 09:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for example | 09:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?O=0&K=maemo&do_Search=+Go+ | 09:40 |
| Maxdamantus | Mm .. so the microSD block device actually isn't there while the back cover is off. | 09:42 |
| Maxdamantus | that seems strange. | 09:43 |
| Maxdamantus | wonder if it's the userspace that's deleting the device. | 09:43 |
| freemangordon | it is the kernel | 09:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo-flasher.software.informer.com/ <- win exe | 09:44 |
| Maxdamantus | is the filesystem actually unmounted? | 09:44 |
| Maxdamantus | it must be by something, if it's the kernel that's removing the device. | 09:44 |
| Maxdamantus | unless it's some strange kernel behaviour. | 09:45 |
| Maxdamantus | I think block devices tend to hang around while they're still mounted. | 09:45 |
| Maxdamantus | UMS ones do, at least. | 09:45 |
| freemangordon | iirc fs is not unmounted | 09:45 |
| Maxdamantus | Yeah, it actually gets an ENODEV when you try to open the device when the cover's open. | 09:48 |
| Maxdamantus | [27939.298736] FAT: Directory bread(block 60982) failed | 09:48 |
| Maxdamantus | so no, looks like it's not unmounted. | 09:49 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 09:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think it does a late umount | 09:49 |
| freemangordon | hmm? | 09:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or at least tries to | 09:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's what pali or kerio or whoever claimed it would do | 09:49 |
| kerio | i what | 09:50 |
| Maxdamantus | late umount as in after it can't access the device? | 09:50 |
| kerio | ah, when you remove the backcover? | 09:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first kernel driver shuts down the uSD card power and emits a kevent | 09:50 |
| kerio | yeah, i think so | 09:50 |
| freemangordon | kernel removes the device(and powers uSD down), no matter what it tris, it is in vain | 09:50 |
| freemangordon | tries even | 09:50 |
| Maxdamantus | (so it just has an effect in the VFS, not in whether or not the filesystem is actually unmounted) | 09:50 |
| Maxdamantus | can the kernel be modified not to do that? | 09:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kevent gets noticed by (I think) ke-recv and that tries to umount | 09:50 |
| freemangordon | yep, but it is too late | 09:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | too late for what? | 09:51 |
| freemangordon | for flushing writes, etc | 09:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for a sync it's for sure too late ;-P | 09:51 |
| freemangordon | yep | 09:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sync can take up to 30s | 09:51 |
| Maxdamantus | where does 30s come from? | 09:52 |
| freemangordon | Maxdamantus: yes, and even there might be similar patch against KP somewhere over the inet | 09:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tbh from my a.... | 09:52 |
| freemangordon | :) | 09:52 |
| Maxdamantus | yeah, unless the N900 kernel/OS has special behaviour, I don't think there's really any limit to how long sync can take. | 09:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | somebody already did a patch to ignore the hall switch | 09:53 |
| Maxdamantus | I usually have to wait a few minutes to unmount USB drives. | 09:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you just need to load the right module, iirc | 09:53 |
| Maxdamantus | because my usual use of them is to copy a "large" file, which takes a few seconds for my HDs to read, but minutes for the flash drive to write. | 09:53 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: wait, afaik mmc driver is built-in into the zImage | 09:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Maxdamantus: the limit is how much data can be in buffers (vs write speed to media) | 09:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mompls | 09:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my bookmarks are a huge pile of mess | 09:54 |
| Maxdamantus | Yeah, and the media can be as slow as it wants to be. | 09:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-and-MeeGo-Devices/memory-card-and-n900/m-p/1284833/highlight/true#M32100 here you are | 09:55 |
| * Maxdamantus saw a blog post or something a while ago where someone wrote a parallel port driver for SD cards. | 09:56 | |
| Maxdamantus | ah yeah, I saw that thread before. | 09:56 |
| Maxdamantus | forgot about it, thanks. | 09:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 09:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however, don't you rather want to fix your magnet? | 09:57 |
| freemangordon | hmm, that thread is missing the actual patch :( | 09:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, only "binary" | 09:58 |
| Maxdamantus | I suspect the patch wouldn't be hard to write. | 09:58 |
| freemangordon | not that it is hard to patch the kernel to ignore backcover gpio, but still | 09:58 |
| freemangordon | anyway /me is afk | 09:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we discussed it a few weeks ago | 10:00 |
| Maxdamantus | probably `host->protect_card = 0; return;` as the body of `omap_hsmmc_protect_card` | 10:01 |
| Maxdamantus | what else is backcover GPIO used for? | 10:01 |
| Maxdamantus | there's meant to be something to use for serial communication, isn't there? | 10:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry? | 10:02 |
| Maxdamantus | "not that it is hard to patch the kernel to ignore backcover gpio" | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-11-19.log.html#t2013-11-19T01:10:48 | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ff fff | 10:03 |
| Maxdamantus | sounded like there was something else backcover GPIO had an effect on. | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's loosely related to camera | 10:05 |
| Maxdamantus | Oh, right. | 10:07 |
| freemangordon | Maxdamantus: interested in upstream kernel development for n900? | 10:07 |
| Maxdamantus | Possibly. | 10:08 |
| Maxdamantus | I haven't really done any serious kernel development, just poked around at a few things a couple of times. | 10:08 |
| Maxdamantus | but I'd be interested. | 10:09 |
| Maxdamantus | and I'd like to be able to run a newer kernel. | 10:09 |
| freemangordon | Maxdamantus: the current state http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1410991&postcount=100 | 10:09 |
| Maxdamantus | Cool. | 10:10 |
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| freemangordon | Maxdamantus: when and if you decide to help, join #maemo-ssu and ping me :) | 10:11 |
| * freemangordon is on his way to work | 10:11 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 10:11 |
| Maxdamantus | Okay. | 10:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~fptf | 10:12 |
| infobot | from memory, fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 | 10:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | umm, ahh | 10:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, if you feel nausea with the center-align then use http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1410991#post1410991 instead of http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1410991&postcount=100 | 10:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2014/02/07/plasma-desktopWn3389.png BURP! | 10:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actually art but not legible ;-P | 10:16 |
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| silviof | Hi, im the "developer" of https://github.com/silvio/vagrant-n900-sdk -- if someone has suggestions. please let it know! | 15:06 |
| silviof | Zyou can find the talk page here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92598 | 15:08 |
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| Superpelican | sixwheeledbeast: I now have succesfully located the file and edited it, I'm trying to compile the module on my N900 (in the Debian chroot) but it's complaining about the kernel config | 19:32 |
| Superpelican | "ERROR: Kernel configuration is invalid." | 19:32 |
| Superpelican | sixwheeledbeast: I'd prefer not to reconfigure the kernel myself, I'm afraid I'll end up with different settings than kernel-power, and that as a result of that my kernel module won't work | 19:33 |
| Superpelican | Where can I find the kernel-power config? | 19:33 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Superpelican: I wouldn't know. I may know where the source is located but it doesn't mean I know what's in it ;) | 19:37 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Pali or freemangordon are prolly the best to ask. | 19:37 |
| freemangordon | hmm? | 19:38 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ^^ | 19:38 |
| freemangordon | Superpelican: what are you trying to compile? | 19:38 |
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| Superpelican | freemangordon: Well the magnet sensor of my N900 seems to be broken | 19:39 |
| Superpelican | because I dropped it | 19:40 |
| freemangordon | ok | 19:40 |
| Superpelican | And I'm trying to compile the mmc_omap_hs kernel module | 19:40 |
| Superpelican | I edited it | 19:40 |
| freemangordon | only that module? | 19:40 |
| Superpelican | yes | 19:40 |
| freemangordon | where did you get the kernel source from? | 19:40 |
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| Superpelican | from http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/kernel-power-source_2.6.28-10power52_all.deb | 19:41 |
| freemangordon | Superpelican: hmm, no | 19:41 |
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| freemangordon | apt-get source kernel-power | 19:41 |
| Superpelican | so you mean that that package is wrong? | 19:41 |
| freemangordon | I guess you are using scratchbox, correct? | 19:42 |
| Superpelican | eh no | 19:42 |
| Superpelican | I just downloaded that deb | 19:42 |
| Superpelican | extracted it with an archive manager | 19:42 |
| Superpelican | edited the file | 19:42 |
| Superpelican | and scp'ed the whole kernel dir to my Nokia | 19:43 |
| freemangordon | you need arm compiler :) | 19:43 |
| Superpelican | and tried to make the module on my N900 in the Debian chroot | 19:43 |
| freemangordon | ah | 19:43 |
| Luke-Jr | AMD has some new ARM CPUs coming out | 19:43 |
| freemangordon | Superpelican: well, I've never tried that way, so I don;t now if it is possible or not. I'd recommend you to install scratchbox | 19:44 |
| freemangordon | then (from within SB) do apt-get source kernel-power | 19:44 |
| freemangordon | and "dpkg-buildpackage -frakeroot -b" | 19:44 |
| freemangordon | sorry.. | 19:44 |
| Superpelican | ok | 19:44 |
| freemangordon | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b | 19:45 |
| freemangordon | is the correct command | 19:45 |
| freemangordon | you'll see a build directory created under debian directory | 19:45 |
| freemangordon | edit whatever needed under that tree | 19:46 |
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| freemangordon | then "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -nc" should do the job | 19:46 |
| silviof | Superpelican: for fast setup take: https://github.com/silvio/vagrant-n900-sdk :-P | 19:46 |
| freemangordon | "-nc" is very important, otherwise your changes will disappear | 19:47 |
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| Superpelican | BTW the apt-get source on the N900 returned: "E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list" | 19:48 |
| freemangordon | Superpelican: IIRC I told ya to do this in scratchbox, not on n900 | 19:48 |
| Superpelican | yes ;) | 19:48 |
| freemangordon | or just grab tarball from the repo | 19:49 |
| freemangordon | and .dsc file | 19:49 |
| Superpelican | which tarball? | 19:49 |
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| freemangordon | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/k/kernel-power/ | 19:50 |
| freemangordon | choose the one by your liking :P | 19:50 |
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| freemangordon | I guess kernel-power_2.6.28-10power52.diff.gz is what you want | 19:50 |
| freemangordon | along with kernel-power_2.6.28-10power52.dsc | 19:51 |
| Superpelican | why the patches? | 19:51 |
| freemangordon | hmm? what patches? | 19:51 |
| silviof | freemangordon: Is somewhere a gitrepository for the n900-kernel? | 19:51 |
| freemangordon | silviof: sure, what version? | 19:52 |
| freemangordon | kernel-power or upstream? | 19:52 |
| Superpelican | the diff.gz | 19:52 |
| silviof | freemangordon: all - i will see the differences between all versions and flavors of this kernel | 19:52 |
| silviof | freemangordon: booth | 19:52 |
| silviof | s/both/ | 19:53 |
| freemangordon | silviof: just a minute, to feed the birdy and I'll post the links | 19:53 |
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| silviof | freemangordon: thx - greetings to the bird. | 19:53 |
| freemangordon | Superpelican: you need .orig.tar.gx (that is the upstream) .diff.tar.gz (to apply patches on top of it) and .dsc, so dpkg-source to know what to do | 19:54 |
| Superpelican | but I still need to do all that in the scratchbox? | 19:54 |
| freemangordon | Superpelican: so you need kernel-power_2.6.28.orig.tar.gz | 19:54 |
| freemangordon | Superpelican: no idea if it will work in debian chroot | 19:54 |
| freemangordon | you need to download those 3 files in 1 directory, do dpkg-source -x kernel-power_2.6.28-10power52.dsc | 19:55 |
| freemangordon | that will extract the orig source and will apply patches | 19:55 |
| Superpelican | ok | 19:56 |
| Superpelican | so it's almost completely automated :)? | 19:56 |
| freemangordon | Superpelican: keep in mind that time needed to compile the kernel on n900 is maybe a couple of times bigger than the time needed to install scratchbox and compile the kernel | 19:56 |
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| freemangordon | in scratchbox that is | 19:56 |
| Superpelican | I know | 19:57 |
| Superpelican | but I'm fine with that | 19:57 |
| Superpelican | My Jolla is now my main phone | 19:57 |
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| freemangordon | silviof: this https://gitorious.org/linux-n900/freemangordons-linux-n900/source/1434dbd7fbc5ec257b6cd6c547689b79177d1937: is the latest upstream that works on n900 and I am aware of | 19:58 |
| freemangordon | silviof: kernel-power is here https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=kernel-power | 19:59 |
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| freemangordon | silviof: here http://sre.ring0.de/linux/ are the repos of sre, who does really great job bringing DT support to n900 | 20:02 |
| silviof | freemangordon: ou dts on n900 - nice | 20:02 |
| freemangordon | sure, we hve no option | 20:02 |
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| freemangordon | though I still didn't try it (DT boot), still using legacy boot even with 3.14-rc1 | 20:03 |
| silviof | freemangordon: yes - i have reactivate my n900 since 2 years and im impressed that we have some v3.13 branches in the repo | 20:03 |
| freemangordon | silviof: which repo? | 20:03 |
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| silviof | freemangordon: yours ^^ freemangordons-linux-n900/v3.13-rc6-n900 | 20:04 |
| freemangordon | silviof: look closer, there is 3.14-rc1 :P | 20:04 |
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| silviof | freemangordon: for me it is impresses enought not to have a 2.6 kernel. | 20:05 |
| silviof | freemangordon: Than now i have a weekend project | 20:05 |
| freemangordon | silviof: well, upstream is still not ready for primetime | 20:05 |
| silviof | freemangordon: yea - i know - is a hard fight | 20:05 |
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| freemangordon | silviof: but in case you're not aware maemo 5 (with a little help) boots with that kernel | 20:06 |
| freemangordon | and is actually usable | 20:06 |
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| freemangordon | 2 major subsystems are broken though - sound and cameras | 20:06 |
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| silviof | freemangordon: i'm not aware (my uptime of n900 is 3 days, before that i have a downtime of 2 years for the n900) - I have relearn many things in the n900 world. | 20:07 |
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| freemangordon | silviof: oh, check that one then: | 20:07 |
| freemangordon | ~cssu-thumb | 20:07 |
| infobot | somebody said cssu-thumb was <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb | 20:07 |
| silviof | hmm camera is not the problem, but sound is bad (for a telefon) | 20:08 |
| freemangordon | well, speaker and jack work with the help of alsamixer | 20:08 |
| freemangordon | but not the earphone, though sre reported that for him, earphone works but nothing else :D | 20:09 |
| freemangordon | and I can'f find enough spare time to push on that hard | 20:09 |
| freemangordon | *can't | 20:09 |
| freemangordon | silviof: out of curiosity - why back to n900 after 2 years? | 20:10 |
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| silviof | freemangordon: I hate android and all other "alternatives" | 20:11 |
| silviof | freemangordon: I run 2 years with the strange emotion that I was cheat | 20:12 |
| silviof | :-) | 20:12 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 20:12 |
| freemangordon | anyway, /me gtg | 20:13 |
| freemangordon | night | 20:13 |
| silviof | bye | 20:13 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Is it the sensor broken or a problem with the magnet? | 20:22 |
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| silviof | freemangordon: is the kernel development going on a separate mailinglist? or alkml? | 20:55 |
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