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mashinaitt: hurr durr why no 5 GB RAM why no 4 Ghz
mashina(i'd like to get one but not at the price of >$1000 and then shipping/duties)13:19
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psycho_oreosPrices may come down when more people gets interested (as in also paying money). It'll be no different to the metal cover for N900, initially it will cost a fair bit but as more people dives in (with money flowing in) the price will go down.13:33
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psycho_oreosExpecting 4GHz processor, 5GB of RAM, some insane X amount for eMMC and Y sort of touchscreen is a ridiculous ask when you didn't even contemplate on factors such as that it will be produced in limited quantities (unless there's more interest flowing in) and that there's no major backing from _any_ big brands.13:35
psycho_oreosI guess some people really live in a small world.. in their own head thinking Neo900 would be something that would be able to compete with <insert_whatever_device_or_phone_name_you_want_to_compete>.13:36
jon_y>competing with Samsung13:37
jon_y>competing with desktops13:37
* psycho_oreos looks at the retarded comments or probably whatever the OP on that reddit thread posed impression of what Neo900 to be.13:38
psycho_oreosNeo900 is meant to replace the old N900 board, so it's virtually competing itself. Not whatever other devices or phones floating out there.13:39
psycho_oreosThe amount of ridiculous retards posting Neo900 won't be able to compete with X and Y brand names and their specs should really put money in their mouths. They are all just talks drooling of fanboyism over more powerful products over a measly small project that aims to renew the life of N900.13:41
jon_yreddit is retarded13:41
psycho_oreosI'm sure they wouldn't even be able to fund a decent enough project that would give them 4GHz processor with 5GB of RAM, etc yet they brag like Neo900 is some sort of outdated offspring.13:42
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mashinai like reddit but android fan users are a special kind of special13:55
mashinathey demand they must have a pentium 4 in every phone13:55
mashinaand crazy shit like nfc no on ecares about13:55
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psycho_oreosTo an average Joe, there's no difference between a geek and the nerd. Conceptually on the same premise they mean the exact same thing but logically to the minute detail the definition is quite different.14:12
psycho_oreosI find most of the time the comments of reddit are mostly geeks who fawns at latest technology with low costs. Obviously that does not bode well with those whom have appraisals for things that have already materialised and regardless of how old they are, they are still valuable.14:14
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DocScrutinizer05~seen dos114:36
infobotdos1 <~dos@unaffiliated/dos1> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 22h 6m 38s ago, saying: 'wow :)'.14:36
DocScrutinizer05on a comment to the above: we *could* go OMAP5 and thus get 4GB ram and multicore. We just need to sacrifice: Main cam (is in the way), another 3mm of height since OMAP5 is fatter than OMAP3, fremantle binary compatibility thus nuking the whole purpose of the project. If 400 users want that, for ~900EUR per device, we will bring it to you, in 6 months time. Given you pay upfront to finance the development14:42
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* auenf waits for someone to "Shut up and take my money!"14:45
DocScrutinizer05DOS1!!!! Please fix to CLEARLY state in BOLD that the device is meant to become the home of freemantle, a COMMUNITY DRIVEN fremantle RE port meant to keep the ecosystem of available apps alive. GolDeliCo will NOT ship any complete OS with the device, it's up to the user and to the community to support whatever OS they want on it. And THATS ACTUALLY THE POINT of Neo90014:46
DocScrutinizer05and WE DONt WANT any crappy capacitive touchscreen. Takle your c-ts and eat it14:47
DocScrutinizer05take, even14:47
jonwilI think the site needs a big warning saying "if you want OMAP5 or 4GB ram or <insert latest hardware here>, go buy an Android phone"14:47
DocScrutinizer05"WARNING! This is a device for the very special and clear cut market of linux hackers, primarily those from Openmoko community and the lots of Maemo N900 lovers"14:49
DocScrutinizer05"ANDROID IS *NOT* LINUX!"14:49
DocScrutinizer05anyway. mashina, thanks a lot for linking that fun stuff14:51
DocScrutinizer05could somebody who cares post backlink to that reddit thread?14:52
DocScrutinizer05dang, again somehow https sneaked in, I wonder how the heck this happens14:53
DocScrutinizer05UGH. does it14:54
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DocScrutinizer05how to kick ass of linkedin to stop spamming me?14:55
DocScrutinizer05davi omlo, debt collector uganda - PFFFFF14:56
DocScrutinizer05friggin SPAM14:56
DocScrutinizer05Sender:    Received: from ([])14:58
l4m3rx<DocScrutinizer05> "ANDROID IS *NOT* LINUX!"15:00
MMN-oAndroid uses Linux. Just not GNU/Linux.15:01
l4m3rxjust 'cose its not using glibc it dosnt mean its not using gnu software..15:02
DocScrutinizer05ORLY? which linus-kernel?15:02
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DocScrutinizer05do they push upstream?15:03
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DocScrutinizer05is userland compatible?15:03
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DocScrutinizer05WTF are wakelocks?15:04
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MMN-oI seem to remember there was a git repo at for the Android kernel.15:04
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DocScrutinizer05a few nifty mean sneaky android core devels might argue what they're doing is still closely linked to linux mainstream. I begg to differ15:05
DocScrutinizer05we had our fair share of porting WTF when trying to get some android bits into openmoko15:06
DocScrutinizer05even when the kernel core maybe still is 95% linux, the API definitely isn't15:07
DocScrutinizer05not even close15:07
ShadowJKKernel stuff is different too15:08
DocScrutinizer05and to be honest, in the end I don't give a flying F - just like the android fanboys don't either15:08
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ShadowJKFirefoxOS, Sailfish, and Ubuntu can run on libhybris that can run with android drivers15:09
DocScrutinizer05so theirs is a closed proprietary system with lots of DRM shite and no compatibility to anything, and some weird cyanotic mods - mine is debian, with X on top15:09
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DocScrutinizer05so each got theirs, and everybody happy. But please stay off my lawn, particularly when it comes to Neo90015:10
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DocScrutinizer05otherwise we will switch to HS design for Neo900, and ship a 1st stage BL that nukes the SoC when android stuff detected on device15:11
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DocScrutinizer05ok, maybe I got a bit upset and gone too far. Prolly not all my points stand a tough discussion. But in the end one point will actually stand: android fanboys don't give a f*ck about FOSS, they want devices with GHz and GB, and most leete new wallpaper. when next wallpaper is in, they get a new device that comes with that one15:16
jaskai prefer wallpapers with #000000 pixels15:16
DocScrutinizer05all that reminds me way too much at a kubuntu meeting where system stuff is irrelevant since you all need to find a consensus regarding which sound a closing window shall make.15:20
DocScrutinizer05I prefer a rock solid linux system that allows me to choose between 5 or 6 or more desktops, and possibly at least 2 of them are configurable till the point where their own devels don't recognize them anymore15:21
jaskaand a closing window shouldnt make any sound :)15:22
DocScrutinizer05and if all that doesn't meet my taste, I want to be free to code my own KDgnomE15:22
* ShadowJK giggles at shuttleworth calling Mir opponents "open source tea party"15:23
l4m3rxand the less competable with others , the better!15:23
DocScrutinizer05maemo5 kinda still had this type of freedom. Maemo6/meego or sailfish seems to follow another paradigm15:24
DocScrutinizer05and android, meh!15:24
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DocScrutinizer05Shuttleworth in my book is a moron15:25
* jonwil loves his Gentoo system15:25
DocScrutinizer05I hope he will stick with mir, and die with it15:27
DocScrutinizer05world would be a better place without ubuntu15:27
l4m3rxubuntu is an cancer in the foss world... forked  from our own code and fucking up the whole foss eco-system15:27
l4m3rxI remember a long long time a galaxy far far away...a saying.. .'If you want too see what's the wrong way of doing things in linux -> install RH' .... but time passes , things change... i think s/RH/ubuntu/ is fits the current time.15:31
DocScrutinizer05I think Lennart P. being an employee of RH still proves the saying true in its original form ;-)15:33
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DocScrutinizer05but yeah, meanwhile canonical and google are the new bad boys15:33
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DocScrutinizer05friggin clever guys who know how to comply with GPL and still fsckup everything for the FOSS community15:35
l4m3rxGoogle is not what it used to be :/15:35
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DocScrutinizer05thanks to ignoring and offensively disregarding the philosophy behind FOSS15:36
l4m3rxOne of the main reasons every year I come closer and closed to RMS's possition on software... he's a bit extreme....quite extreme, but as I said, every year I understand him more and more ...15:38
DocScrutinizer05well, yep. kinda15:38
DocScrutinizer05just one word: fork-happy15:39
DocScrutinizer05forks should get outlawed in GPL, you should need consent from original author to do a fork15:39
DocScrutinizer05even that wouldn't stop BS like mir or PA15:40
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l4m3rxbtw what do u thing about LGPL? does it do more good or harm ?15:41
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VeggenDS: Don't agree.15:41
Zack_Hi everyone!15:41
Zack_This project seems great, do you consider to increase display resolution in the next revision?15:42
VeggenDS: Possibility of forking is a good insurance against people going awry with software that you/the world uses.15:42
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l4m3rxZack_ ur talking about the neo900,right?15:44
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DocScrutinizer05next revision?15:47
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Zack_Yup, about Neo900. 'Next revision' is literally next revision - with updated specs and the same form factor.16:02
l4m3rxWe'll provide both complete, ready to use devices in N900 case, and motherboard replacements for your current device. Neo900 will also support all operating systems available for GTA0416:05
l4m3rxfrom the neo900 page.16:05
l4m3rxCorrenct me if I understand it wrong,but the idea is to get new board as upgrade, and keep the case, screen and stuff like that16:06
l4m3rxand this is done to save money16:06
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer05, congrats, a friend who doesn't follow maemo told me about the Neo90016:19
MohammadAGnot sure which news site mentioned it16:19
DocScrutinizer05wow! :-)16:19
DocScrutinizer05prolly the reddit android thread16:20
MohammadAGhe also doesn't follow reddit16:20
DocScrutinizer05seems it's about high time to get some updates on neo900.org16:21
DocScrutinizer05fundraiser pending to open any day now16:22
* jonwil would donate to project if he had any spare cash16:22
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merlin1991yeah, spare cash would be a nice thing16:51
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l4m3rxI saw slashdot || phoronix mentioned neo900  few days ago....17:22
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DocScrutinizer05slashdot?? :-o17:26
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DocScrutinizer05I know what's 7.17:31
DocScrutinizer05 /. even17:31
DocScrutinizer05I even learned what means "you got slashdotted"17:32
DocScrutinizer05I'm afraid our site isn't ready for this yet, so we haven't posted anything to /. by ourselves17:33
DocScrutinizer05it also won't bring huge effect when the story behind it "sucks" - thus we planned to polish our site a bit more, and then post a _good_ story to /. that actually could kick off the chain reaction17:34
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DocScrutinizer05that's why I ":-o" when I heard we been mentioned on /.17:35
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cehteh[21:21] #poettering      4       The official Lennart Poettering fanclub | Wir poettern bis wir pulse hören! | POETTERRRIINNG!!! | WARNING: GIANT PSYCHOACTIVE MUSHROOM BEHIND YOU! | Poettering klingt wie Penisring. | PEEEENISRRRINNG!!!22:24
cehteh.. want to join that network? :)22:24
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Paliinfobot dead?22:45
infobotyes :(22:45
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