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zammywth I have cutetube but the cutetube player inside00:42
zammyis missing00:44
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mashinamy n900 is dropping connections like flies04:55
mashinassh seems stable but irc connections die a lot04:55
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mashinathis is brutal05:02
mashinaits dropping everything now05:02
mashina[86946.828430] wlan0: roaming signal from driver, sending LOWSIGNAL05:02
mashina[86965.158599] wlan0: roaming signal from driver, sending HIGHSIGNAL05:02
mashinait just does that05:03
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mashinaits really bad05:09
mashinai have no idea how its this bad05:09
mashinai have little distance and little penetration needed05:10
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DocScrutinizer05this doesn't mean a thing08:25
DocScrutinizer05it's a normal message from WLAN driver not special to N900 nor maemo nor does it indicate an already flawed WiFi signal situation. In short: you see it everywhere and it not really means a problem:
DocScrutinizer05when your IRC connections die while ssh is stable, you got completely different problems than WiFi signal strength08:32
DocScrutinizer05e.g your keep-alive ping interval might be too high to keep any NAT session alive that's possibly in the route from your client to IRC network server08:34
DocScrutinizer05or your IRC server you connect to is simply flaky, not enything unheard in freenode either08:35
DocScrutinizer05run a `ping` in a terminal on N900 and see if that stops the connection loss.08:36
DocScrutinizer05also check what's your IRC server (you see this during login, in "freenode" tab. might be sth like (([Whois] mashina is online via (Rennes, France).))  Then run a ping against that server, possibly keeping open any NAT session and also stopping WLAN from entering deep sleep PSM08:39
DocScrutinizer05if that changes situation repeatably, come back here for further advice, since a ping is no fix but only a diagnostic means08:39
DocScrutinizer05try to set PSM to medium or low08:46
DocScrutinizer05possibly your AP and the N900 WiFi firmware don't harmonize on PowerSavingMode08:47
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DrCodehi all12:12
DrCodeis there simple appliction that can send sms when missed call?12:12
DrCodelike I will can back or I am driving?12:12
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shaggycatHi! i need help: my n900 never boot if battery not copleate charge12:56
shaggycatit's always switch off, if i try power on my N90012:56
shaggycatnow i need switch on my N900 fastly12:56
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shaggycatis any hack to power on n900 without check charger of battery?12:57
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jonwilif your N900 wont power on then your battery doesn't have enough power12:59
jonwilyou need to charge your battery12:59
jonwilthen it will properly charge12:59
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shaggycatit's hardware bug, i think13:01
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shaggycatloader don't correct check level of battery13:01
shaggycatonly if battery copmplete (100%) charging,13:01
shaggycatmy phone load OS :(13:02
shaggycatif green light is13:02
shaggycatif ellow light, it's never boot :(13:02
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shaggycatis any way to hack it?13:02
shaggycatf.e. remove check of battery level in loader?13:03
shaggycathow i may hack the loader of Maemo OS?13:04
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DocScrutinizer05this is hardware and never heard about such problem, I guess yiur battery is defect13:10
shaggycati have 3 battery13:12
shaggycatone good, and 2 not good (small time for work N900)13:13
shaggycatdegradation on small temperature (I'm from Russian, russian winter...)13:13
shaggycatand with 3 battery is this bug :(13:14
shaggycatmy be i may remove checker of battery level with OS loader?13:14
shaggycathow i may it?13:14
shaggycat*i'm from Russia13:15
shaggycatcould anybody help me to hack OS loader?13:15
cehtehyou cant repair a dead battery with software13:16
ShadowJKAs far as I know, nobody has tried to hack the os loader13:17
shaggycatwho check level of battery before load os?13:17
shaggycatis :((13:17
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shaggycatalso, i have another N900 with not light of screen13:19
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shaggycatmay be, in service may put miscro cheme of loader,13:19
shaggycatand put it on another n900?13:20
zammyI found bleach in app and I installed it... but no gui?13:20
ShadowJKdoes orange led shine steady, or is it glowing/pulsing?13:22
ShadowJKAnythinh shown on screen?13:22
zammyand my dropbox does not recognize my account13:23
zammydoes never authenticate13:23
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DrCodehi DocScrutinizer0513:50
DrCodeI am looking for simple appliction that can send sms when I missed call, some sms template, like "I am a way" or "I am in a meeting" any idea?13:50
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DocScrutinizer05look for the python script in ~phonecontrol. It's not simple but does almost what you're looking for14:02
DocScrutinizer05just it waits for an inbound SMS "ping" to answer hardcoded "pong"14:06
DocScrutinizer05yours needs to wait for inbound call or even better for inbound call missed notifier popping up14:07
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jonwilDocScrutinizer: ping14:28
jonwilDocScrutinizer05: ping14:28
jonwilhmm, now I forget why I wanted to talk to you :P14:34
jonwilbtw I will do whatever I can towards helping with Neo900 RE work14:36
DocScrutinizer05maybe you want to know that I'm not inclined to mce-bugfix any time soon14:36
DocScrutinizer05no time14:37
jonwilheck, MCE is already the biggest piece of reverse engineering work in the maemo community :)14:38
dos1DocScrutinizer05: hello14:38
dos1any comments about that news piece, or should i publish it as it is?14:38
DocScrutinizer05well, I already siad it's probably ok14:39
DocScrutinizer05ask Nikolaus though14:39
DocScrutinizer05s/all donated/your donated/14:41
jonwilI just hope the USB port on my N900 doesn't fail, otherwise all my dev work will grind to a halt (its dangerously close to failing)14:43
DocScrutinizer05and maybe we don't want customers to judge about feasibility, that sounds not right. We want to allow them to judge if the project is what they expect14:43
jonwilI would do the fix for it but I dont have the skills, tools or know-how14:43
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: then immediately let it repair in a repair shop14:44
jonwilI cant find a local repair shop that can do repairs14:44
jonwilall of them dont even wanna touch a N90014:44
jonwilonly usual crap like iCrap screen repalcements14:44
DocScrutinizer05damn, what idiots14:44
DocScrutinizer05no nokia care around?14:45
jonwilthere is a nokia care but I think they dont do any repairs, just send things away for advice14:46
DocScrutinizer05or a technical university or club?14:46
jonwildont know anyone with electronics skills around14:46
jonwilits a matter of finding not just someone that does phone repairs but someone who can do the USB repair14:50
DocScrutinizer05dos1: on the final device price, >>and give us a feedback if there are enough customers so we can dare to continue development.14:50
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: everybody who does phone repair that involves soldering can do *now*. This may change to the worse once you completely ripped the USB off the mainboard14:52
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jonwilNot exactly sure what I should be asking for when I go to these shops, i.e. what I should tell them I need them to do14:55
DocScrutinizer05print out this:14:56
infobotusbfix is probably - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)14:56
DocScrutinizer05there are pictures14:56
DocScrutinizer05more than sufficient for an electrician with a soldering iron to know what to do14:57
DocScrutinizer05probably even a goldsmith could do14:58
jonwilso basically go to the shop, show them the stuff between the "--------------------------" in that post and then ask if that is something they have the facilities to carry out14:58
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psycho_oreosjonwil, there's a mob known as FixMyMobile, it's where I got/am getting my nokia phone/devices fixed.15:00
jonwilthey are in Brisbane, I am in Perth15:01
psycho_oreosHmm bugger, there might be stalls that can do it.15:02
jonwilI will probably print out those links and go to a few repair shops (not the stalls that do "iphone screen repairs" and are filled with 100s of iPhone and iPad and iPod covers and cases, the actual shops that do repairs15:02
jonwilshow them the N900 and the printout and say "is this a fix you can do and what will it cost"15:03
DocScrutinizer05DO NOT use glue15:03
DocScrutinizer05also print out service manual L1_215:04
DocScrutinizer05they will need it to correctly and safely disassemble the device15:04
jonwilwell at least one shop I know is the shop that replaced the screen surround parts (the one with the little Nokia logo on it)15:05
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DocScrutinizer05in L1_2 cross out all pictures that show steps not needed to access the USB port15:06
DocScrutinizer05otherwise the dude in shop might get overwhelmed by the number of steps it seems to take to do this disassembly15:07
jonwilI will probably be going to shops that say "we do board level repairs"15:08
jonwile.g. this one
jonwilthat one says they can do anything up to replacing chips15:08
jonwilI will try a few shops in my local area15:08
DocScrutinizer05 is maybe better than L1_2 but do NOT use fingernail to unplug the cable, use a credit card and lever it out carefully, it's very delicate15:11
jonwilI will worry about it15:13
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: yes, that shop sounds very adequate15:13
jonwilthere are a few that can probably do it15:14
jonwilI will go to a few with printout of the USB repair bits and see what they say about whether they can do it15:14
DocScrutinizer05they explicitly offer "charger port" fix15:14
DocScrutinizer05they also offer backup battery replacement, so maybe you want to get this as well when you're already there15:14
jonwilyeah that makes sense15:15
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jonwilIf they dont know N900 because they dont have the service manual, I will point them at the PDF :)15:17
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DocScrutinizer05jonwil: when you drop by at them, can you ask them if they can replace the SoC (and storage) in a N9 please?15:19
DocScrutinizer05particularly if they can get replacement chip15:19
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DocScrutinizer05if they can, you might want to get as many as you can get, at least for your own Neo900 to get 1GB of RAM15:22
jonwilI doubt I will remember to ask about that15:23
jonwilbut if I do I will ask :P15:23
DocScrutinizer05I will help you to remember15:23
jonwilas for Neo900, I haven't said I can afford to buy a Neo90015:23
DocScrutinizer05when the USB fix ever fails, your only option is a Neo900, and that will not come with 1GB of RAM when you can't find that chip15:24
DocScrutinizer05now I guess you can't help but remember this the very moment you receive your fixed N900 at that shop15:25
jonwilthats if the shop can fix it, I dont know if they can or not15:25
DocScrutinizer05since you will wonder how good this USB repair will save your N90015:25
DocScrutinizer05they *can* fix this USB15:26
DocScrutinizer05it's their easiest job of the day15:26
jonwilassuming its not already too damaged to repair with that fix15:27
DocScrutinizer05and finding spare RAM chip for N9 will be their all time nightmare15:27
DocScrutinizer05does it still work?15:27
jonwilit appears to15:28
DocScrutinizer05then they CAN fix it15:28
DocScrutinizer05unless you ruin it before they can do15:28
jonwilit works but there was a time when I bumped the plug and it flicked to "disconnect charger" and "charging"15:29
jonwilhence why I am starting to worry15:29
* Sicelo is one of those who doubt they can afford Neo900 :(15:29
DocScrutinizer05tell them about it, they can manage that too15:29
jonwilI am also on the list of people who cant afford a Neo90015:29
jonwilat least so long as I remain unemployed :(15:30
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: I guess you qualify for a developer-program device15:30
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Sicelo+1.. he deserves one :)15:30
jonwilI think my work on MCE would be more than enough reason for dev-program access15:31
jonwilit is the biggest single piece of reverse engineering done in the history of Maemo15:31
Siceloi saw in #maemo-cssu backscroll.. so MCE has now been busted open? completely?15:32
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jdolesHow can I see recent events?15:32
Sicelonice one jdoles :P15:33
jdolesI accidentally closed the event.15:33
Sicelorecent events .. what events?15:33
DocScrutinizer05it doesn't matter if somebody deserves anything - that may matter later when we have mass production devices. Developer devices are loaners handed out to those who *need* one to make fremantle port work15:33
jdolesSicelo: "missed calls", "you have a new message", etc.15:33
jdolesSicelo: the thing in yellow.15:33
jonwilwell I dont deserve a loaner device15:33
jonwilbecause I doubt I will be able to contribute enough dev programming time to make good use of it15:34
jonwili.e. I would be doing more RE than writing code and I dont need a dev device for RE15:34
jdolesA loaner device should go to whoever already has an application running in a virtual environment.15:34
Sicelojdoles: your message is still on Conversations, highlighted blue. and your missed call is still in the Phone application15:34
jonwilloaner devices should also go very much to kernel guys15:35
DocScrutinizer05jdoles: we're not dealing with apps here15:35
jonwilwho would be doing kernel and system-bits dev15:35
jonwili.e. MCE, kernel, DSME, BME, ke-recv and other hardware bits15:35
jonwilSo yeah there is now code available that (assuming no bugs caused by incorrect reverse engineering) should match exactly to MCE of PR1.315:36
* Sicelo agrees 15:36
DocScrutinizer05apps are considered compatible15:36
jdolesI think if the device cannot be developed without physical hardware that the software ecosystem is broken.15:36
DocScrutinizer05so no app developer needs a devel device15:36
jonwilso yeah I dont need a loaner because I wont be writing the kind of code people need loaners for15:36
DocScrutinizer05jdoles: I think you lack a complete picture of what we're talking about here#15:37
Sicelojdoles: ?15:37
jdolesDocScrutinizer05: probably.15:37
jonwilso yeah I think my N900 is still lowish risk of USB damage as of right now but its high enough risk that its worth getting the USB repair done now rather than taking risk of e.g. bumping device wrong and causing cable to pull USB device slightly and break it too much to fix15:38
jdolesSicelo: I think for any "driver" (i.e. runs in some kind of privileged mode) it should be possible to develop it without having a physical device.15:39
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DocScrutinizer05sure, but how would you TEST it?15:39
jdolesDocScrutinizer05: there is no reason to test it, unless the hardware guys didn't write a contract (cf. design by contract).15:40
DocScrutinizer05how would you TEST the new accelerometer in Neo900?15:40
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jdolesIf it's some community hackjob, then I suppose it couldn't be done like this.15:40
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jonwilI have seen enough hardware dev stuff to know that writing drivers without the physical hw is a bad idea15:40
Siceloyay! :-/15:41
DocScrutinizer05like I said, you're missing a clear picture of what we're doing15:41
DocScrutinizer05btw *I* am "the hw-guy"15:41
jdolesIf you created the hardware, you should write a specification saying after how many seconds a particular signal arrives.15:42
DocScrutinizer05and community is writinf the drivers and adaption, e.g. in MCE15:42
jdolesThe same for the shape of the signal, etc.15:42
jdolesI.e. a complete specification of everything that your magic device does.15:43
jonwilwriting drivers with just the specs is a bad idea, you need physical hw at all15:43
jdolesYou only need physical hardware if the specification is not complete.15:43
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: futile effort15:43
jdolesThat way, there is even no reason to test it. You can just prove that it works.15:43
jonwilI meant you do need physical hardware15:44
jdolesI understand, and I am saying you don't.15:44
dos1life isn't *that* easy15:44
* kolp is looking for popcorn15:44
jonwiljdoles: Have you ever done linux kernel development? Hardware work? Anything low-level?15:45
dos1especially when we're talking about pretty complicated device consisting of lots of 3rd-party modules15:45
jonwilIf not, stfu and let the people who HAVE done such work decide how it is best done15:45
jdolesjonwil: I have written some drivers.15:45
jonwilhmmm ok15:45
jonwilhave you written hardware drivers without hardware (or simulated hardware) in hand?15:45
jdolesjonwil: no.15:46
DocScrutinizer05ask freemangordon about DT and clock dividers in 3.12 kernel, and how he had debuugged that crap when he hadn't had access to hardware to test it15:46
jdolesjonwil: or, actually, I did.15:46
jdolesjonwil: I got a few weeks to develop a driver without the physical hardware and only a manual.15:46
jdolesjonwil: but this is still irrelevant.15:47
jdolesjonwil: just because everyone is doing it in a particular way now, doesn't mean they aren't all doing it wrong.15:47
jdolesjonwil: 99.99% of people also develop software in the wrong way.15:47
jdolesAll I see are projects that are never *finished*.15:48
dos1so yes, in utopian world you're absolutely right15:48
DocScrutinizer05and jes err jdoles is our savior who tells us the truth15:48
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dos1but utopian world does not exists15:48
jdolesA computer is just a circuit which is evaluated.15:48
jdolesI don't see any reason for introducing errors.15:49
Sicelo /whois jdoles15:49
DocScrutinizer05the great jdoles who never wrote a code with any bug, not a single one. His software works when finished, doesn't need testing. Ever15:49
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DocScrutinizer05actualle he removed the backspace key from all his keyboards15:51
DocScrutinizer05since he never falls for any mistake15:51
DocScrutinizer05jdoles: the problem is: even when we all learn to be as smart as you seem to be, we need to deal with code written by other less smart devels15:52
DocScrutinizer05unless we write everything anew from scratch15:52
jdolesDocScrutinizer05: the solution for that is to fire all those people.15:53
jdolesI applaud rewriting everything from scratch.15:53
DocScrutinizer05and particularly for hw drivers I don't know a 100% proven test except running it against the real hardware15:53
jdolesIf you don't do it right the first time, you just need to do it again.15:53
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DocScrutinizer05jdoles: I' almost ready to kick you for trolling15:54
jdolesI find it a rather weak excuse to point at other supposedly less smart people and blame them for the failure.15:55
DocScrutinizer05one more please15:55
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dos1jdoles: if you've got all resources needed to develop whole device from scratch by yourself, then go for it!15:55
dos1we will be happy if we find resources to develop just a device using 3rd-party modules, which might or might not be perfect15:56
dos1and usually, are not15:56
DocScrutinizer05dos1: the only thing he can do, since even testing the 100% bugfree nature of the other co-devels needs testing on real hardware15:56
DocScrutinizer05dos1: don't feed the troll15:57
DocScrutinizer05his approach is from utopia anyway15:58
DocScrutinizer05or just trolling15:58
DocScrutinizer05and if he actually written anything more complex than bitbanging I2C and claims to have done this without a single glitch in it that needed testing to get debigged, he's a liar15:59
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DocScrutinizer05s/if he/if he claims to have/16:00
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: and if he claims to have actually written anything more complex than bitbanging I2C and claims to have done this without a single glitch in it that needed testing to get debigged, he's a liar16:00
rd1381can someboy help me fix my n900 speed bug16:00
Sicelospeed bug rd1381?16:01
DocScrutinizer05speed even?16:01
jdolesThere is a way in which you don't need to trust the output from other developers.16:01
rd1381i  restored my n900 twice but still it has this wierd bug16:02
rd1381when i use apt-get it gets the first 300kb of files ok ut then it gets stuck16:02
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DocScrutinizer05df -h16:04
rd1381can somebody help me?16:05
DocScrutinizer05pastebin the result of `df -h`16:06
rd1381i can pasebin it16:07
rd1381web site loads very slow and buggy16:07
rd1381but isee that my tmpfs is only 1mb16:07
rd1381and 256kb16:07
rd1381"/tmp and /var"16:08
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rd1381is this normal?16:08
DocScrutinizer05  compare please16:08
rd1381i dont have a second sd card inserted16:09
rd1381but others are more or less the same16:09
rd1381excpt my /home is 8 gb16:10
DocScrutinizer05doesn't matter16:10
rd1381and mydocs is 21gb16:10
DocScrutinizer05yeah, obviously16:10
zammya brand new maemo on n900 is funny16:11
DocScrutinizer05then you seem to have other problems16:11
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DocScrutinizer05did a bandwith test?16:11
DocScrutinizer05wget <somebigfile-URL> -O /dev/null16:12
rd1381no wget :)16:13
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DocScrutinizer05sysinfo-tool -g /device/sw-release-ver16:14
rd1381its the " rx-51 2009se_20.2010.36-2.003_pr_00316:16
DocScrutinizer05hmm, you should update16:17
rd1381its the latest version16:17
infobotfrom memory, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see  or
DocScrutinizer05but that's probably not the culprit of your troubles16:18
rd1381but igot these from nokia site for firmware16:19
DocScrutinizer05anywy I'd trecommend reflashing16:19
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rd1381where is the site realse notes for this update you linked?16:19
DocScrutinizer05yes, it's the last "official" one16:19
DocScrutinizer05there's none, basically16:20
DocScrutinizer05PR1.3.1 got updated via SSU16:20
DocScrutinizer05Nokia never officially published the fiasco image16:20
rd1381ssu from nokia or cummunity?16:20
DocScrutinizer05look at 2nd link above16:21
DocScrutinizer05nokia distribution service - file repository . nokia . com16:22
rd1381its for what region?16:22
DocScrutinizer05err MR0 is globl16:22
DocScrutinizer05you got 00316:23
DocScrutinizer05but global is safe16:23
rd1381but i dont think bug is  from this image16:23
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rd1381but idont have any other thing installed so16:24
DocScrutinizer05prolly not. But maybe from some weird app or patch you installed16:24
DocScrutinizer05aa wait16:24
DocScrutinizer05ls -l /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db16:25
DocScrutinizer05should be <1MB16:25
DocScrutinizer05if it's larger, then you eventually will get cought in swap hell that brings system to a grinding halt16:26
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dos138.5M /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db16:29
dos1wow :)16:29
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rd1381i got 43008 for its size16:31
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rd1381i have this wierd bug16:36
rd1381i used a proxy to connect to test if it was network problem or not16:37
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rd1381when i close the proxy on my pc and use apt-get to update it correctly says it cant connect16:38
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rd1381but when i run the apt-get and then close the proxy it doesnt give any error and gets stuck in getting files16:38
DocScrutinizer05hmm, that *might* be normal16:39
DocScrutinizer05just an idea: cat /etc/hosts16:40
rd1381not on my pc16:40
rd1381its very frustrating16:40
DocScrutinizer05should have only16:41
rd1381my download speed is very low on my n90016:41
rd1381but before it wasnt like this16:41
DocScrutinizer05well, I can't help much. Slow download speed is way too fuzzy a bug report16:42
rd1381yes i know16:43
rd1381it not just the slow speed16:43
rd1381its the getting stuck that ....16:43
DocScrutinizer05I'd suggest to test it on another hotspot16:44
DocScrutinizer05install and run iwconfig16:45
DocScrutinizer05install and scrutinze syslog16:45
DocScrutinizer05run ping and wget tests16:45
rd1381i cant install any thing on n90016:45
DocScrutinizer05studdy syslog for anything suspicious16:46
DocScrutinizer05then reflash16:46
rd1381can i use the firmware u send with older fisco image?16:46
DocScrutinizer05I mean... when you can't install anything16:46
DocScrutinizer05this is a fiasco image16:47
rd1381RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin with Latest Vanilla version of the eMMC content for Nokia N900-RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM16:47
rd1381what is the n900 root pass16:47
rd1381does it have one?16:48
ApicWill nitdroid-installer blow up my U-Boot?16:48
rd1381caus ei cant use sudo16:48
DocScrutinizer05use root16:48
DocScrutinizer05or sudo gainroot16:48
Apicnitdroid-installer 0.2.6-316:48
DocScrutinizer05but you need to install rootsh for that16:48
DocScrutinizer05Apic: no idea, odds are it will16:49
ApicSo 'root' is a backdoor that's avail' from the Start?16:49
DocScrutinizer05no, you need to install rootsh16:49
ApicOr enable R&D-Mode, eh? ;-)16:49
DocScrutinizer05or that16:49
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DocScrutinizer05though that's not recommended16:50
DocScrutinizer05it has side effects16:50
rd1381i think i found the problem16:50
ApicYep, it tries to install multiboot-kernel-maemo16:51
ApicMaybe there's a newer Ver than 0.2.6-3 on tha Intarwebs.16:51
infobotmaemo-multiboot is probably deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED16:51
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DocScrutinizer05without telling us what's been the problem16:52
* DocScrutinizer05 makes a note that rd1381 is not a nice guy16:53
ApicThere's 0.2.716:53
ApicI'll look at it16:53
ApicNope, I see I even had 0.2.8, and it _still_ depends on that bricky multiboot :-(16:57
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ApicI give up for the Moment, do not need Android _that_ urgent anyhow.16:58
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jdolesI set my ringtone to a custom file. When I click on this custom file it plays, when I get a call, I get the default sound. This looks like a very basic bug or is the UI just so terrible that I am misunderstanding?17:32
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jdolesJolly, a bug from 2010.
jdolesApparently it was caused by some "community" code.17:47
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Sicelowhere is "community" code in that bug/link?18:24
Sicelolooks like jdoles bought the wrong device. a samsung will likely be a better device for him18:25
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psychologemm0ss, hello18:47
mm0ssAnyone working on a drop box application for meego?18:48
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psychologenow i used maemo ,.i don't know18:49
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