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| zammy | my n900 after the last upgrade is not bootable... neither with backup menu... | 00:25 |
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| zammy | how to make a last backup before of reinstalling its OS | 00:25 |
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| sono | i changed the system locale to .UTF-8 and sourced it | 00:50 |
| sono | will it still come up on reboot? | 00:50 |
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| zammy | I hope to get an answer... | 00:54 |
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| NIN101 | zammy: try rescueOS | 00:59 |
| NIN101 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75369 | 00:59 |
| NIN101 | there is no convenient interface for backups or so, you must cp etc. | 01:00 |
| zammy | maybe...but actually how... | 01:01 |
| zammy | I mean did you do it before? | 01:02 |
| zammy | I downloaded the img | 01:02 |
| zammy | 1.1 | 01:02 |
| zammy | shall I plug some usb with adapter? | 01:02 |
| zammy | I don't think I can have right now some microsd... maybe with that yes | 01:03 |
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| zammy | I would do everything | 01:03 |
| sono | ~flasher | 01:03 |
| infobot | methinks flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher, or http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php | 01:03 |
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| NIN101 | it's documented... best chance is probaly to enable mass-storage mode and copy the data to your PC. | 01:05 |
| Herbstbert | Hi. | 01:05 |
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| zammy | exactly NIN101 all I want is just to copy all inside my pc... so i would by wifi | 01:09 |
| zammy | but... so with only flasher and no need of this img | 01:10 |
| NIN101 | flasher can not copy your data to your PC. | 01:13 |
| zammy | ... so NIN101 I can use flasher like I would reinstall the OS I want | 01:16 |
| zammy | and... I install the img you gave me | 01:16 |
| zammy | so... it does not overwrite anything... right? | 01:16 |
| zammy | but allows me to recover and connect the n900 to pc and copy some data? | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bsically yes | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rescueOS is loaded to RAM, so no data gets erased | 01:17 |
| zammy | tomorrow I am going to do that | 01:22 |
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| Psi | anyone had the n900 not send a sms sometimes until you go back into the messages app | 03:25 |
| Psi | like you send it, then move the slider to sleep the phone but it doesnt send until sometime in the future when you wake it up and go back into the messages app | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 03:28 |
| Psi | hm.. | 03:29 |
| Psi | might be time for a reinstall | 03:30 |
| Psi | its been like 4 years | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe cleaning out your eventsdb is already suffucuent? | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Psi: https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-04.log.html#t2013-10-04T14:11:53 | 03:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder how the heck the https sneaked in | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-04.log.html#t2013-10-04T14:11:53 | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | really weird | 03:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | TMO based karma fixed! | 08:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so: karma at large fixed (more or less) | 08:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sending tokens for council election based on karma should be no problem | 08:14 |
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| zemmy | good morning... | 10:26 |
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| brolin_empey | One of the neat aspects about using a Nokia N900, at least in Canada, is that it is a rare model of computer in general contexts: the only other Nokia N900 users I have met IRL have been at the Vancouver Hack(er)Space (the VHS) or at “LinuxCon” North America 2011 in Vancouver, British Columbia. | 10:43 |
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| zemmy | cool | 10:54 |
| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: Is it possible for the Neo900 to use a removable non-volatile secondary storage device instead of eMMC? I dislike relying on secondary storage fixed on a mainboard because it is too risky; I have been fscked too many times by losing access to the contents of secondary storage fixed (soldered) on a failed or otherwise unusable mainboard. | 10:56 |
| zemmy | ~flasher | 10:56 |
| infobot | flasher is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher, or http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php | 10:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: umm, I don't really get it. You want two SD-cards? | 10:58 |
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| zemmy | is there some flasher to have in arch linux DocScrutinizer05 | 10:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry? | 10:59 |
| zemmy | yes... I mean can you link me the flasher to use on arch linux pc | 10:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, the .deb should prolly work, no? | 10:59 |
| kolp | zemmy: There is a tar.gz that you can use for sure | 11:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah, or tarball yes | 11:00 |
| zemmy | version ? maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz | 11:00 |
| kolp | Yes | 11:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or you use 0xffff if you don't like blobs | 11:00 |
| zemmy | but I am on this site http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php | 11:00 |
| zemmy | it says tablets... I am using n900 | 11:01 |
| zemmy | is it alright? | 11:01 |
| kolp | It is | 11:01 |
| zemmy | ok | 11:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sigh | 11:01 |
| kolp | :) | 11:01 |
| kolp | Do you ever sleep? | 11:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 11:01 |
| kolp | Thought so | 11:01 |
| zemmy | let's start to compile it | 11:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 11:02 |
| kolp | There's a configure, then just make, make install | 11:02 |
| kolp | Sorry, j/k | 11:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~gentoo | 11:02 |
| kolp | It's a binary. Nothing to compile, zemmy | 11:02 |
| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: I want the system to run from a removable storage device which can be moved to and used in another of the same model of computer, like with an ATA hard disc drive or solid-state drive in an IBM Personal Computer(/Advanced Technology) compatible. | 11:03 |
| kolp | brolin_empey: You can boot from SD just fine | 11:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: if you really want to use a slow uSD, you're free to boot from that media as well | 11:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or you cram in a 2" HDD with USB interface ;-) | 11:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | 1.6" | 11:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | PCI-card, iirc they have USB too | 11:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on internal bus | 11:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D | 11:07 |
| zemmy | kolp anyway I don't get it started... | 11:07 |
| brolin_empey | kolp: DocScrutinizer05: If I boot from an SD card, do I still have any dependency on the (contents of the) eMMC? | 11:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, bootloader | 11:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. uBoot | 11:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oops, that's NAND | 11:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, we already done a complete swap between eMMC and uSD for a guy who had broken eMMC | 11:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | was a funny enterprise, 3 guys worked one day to make it happen | 11:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | finally it was 3 chars patch | 11:09 |
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| zemmy | kolp, [sammy@sammy maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2]$ sh flasher-3.5 | 11:10 |
| zemmy | flasher-3.5: flasher-3.5: cannot execute binary file | 11:10 |
| kolp | zemmy: tar xf maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz; cd maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2; ./flasher-3.5 | 11:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sh? | 11:10 |
| kolp | zemmy: It's not a script | 11:10 |
| zemmy | I did with ./ but | 11:11 |
| zemmy | nothing | 11:11 |
| kolp | No sh | 11:11 |
| zemmy | [sammy@sammy maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2]$ ./flasher-3.5 | 11:11 |
| zemmy | ./flasher-3.5: error while loading shared libraries: libusb-0.1.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 11:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing | 11:11 |
| infobot | [maemo-flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 11:11 |
| zemmy | then I tried with sh | 11:12 |
| kolp | Use Pali's 0xFFFF | 11:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, will also need libusb | 11:12 |
| zemmy | I read something on such man or doc | 11:12 |
| kolp | But not a specific version | 11:12 |
| zemmy | let's try to insta ll it | 11:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a command you need to run, which I *always* forget the name of | 11:13 |
| zemmy | to me it says libusb is installed yet | 11:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or you use LD_LIBRARYPATH | 11:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe kolp can help out | 11:14 |
| kolp | DocScrutinizer05: command to do what? | 11:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lib-path-cache | 11:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and symlinks | 11:14 |
| brolin_empey | <sarcasm>Wow: my Friday night was, as usual, super exciting.</sarcasm> | 11:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ldconfig | 11:16 |
| zemmy | symlink not yet installed but what is it for? | 11:17 |
| kolp | ldconfig -p | grep usb | 11:18 |
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| Macer | any plex client for maemo? | 11:18 |
| Macer | heh | 11:18 |
| zemmy | to me kolp? | 11:18 |
| kolp | zemmy: yes | 11:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FWIW: http://privatepaste.com/891fac0dcb | 11:19 |
| zemmy | shall I plug the n900 | 11:19 |
| kolp | Nono | 11:19 |
| zemmy | alrigh | 11:19 |
| zemmy | kolp http://pastie.org/private/bm7tz2mdhrfby8seomykeq | 11:19 |
| kolp | Hm, Looks fine. Shoudln't it Just Work? | 11:22 |
| kolp | What does ldd flasher-3.5 say? | 11:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 64bit? | 11:24 |
| kolp | Ah, maybe | 11:25 |
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| kolp | No clue how that is handled | 11:25 |
| kolp | Use 0xFFFF :) | 11:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | libusb-0.1.so.4 (libc6,x86-64) => /usr/lib64/libusb-0.1.so.4 | 11:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | libusb-0.1.so.4 (libc6) => /usr/lib/libusb-0.1.so.4 | 11:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wasn't there a damn statically linked flasher once? | 11:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing | 11:28 |
| infobot | maemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 11:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | search for libusb | 11:28 |
| zemmy | sorry I waas away I had to ... grab kilos of water | 11:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >> | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Some notes: | 11:29 |
| kolp | afk | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | If you get this error while trying to run flasher-3.5 | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ./flasher-3.5: error while loading shared libraries: libusb-0.1.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you are probably on 64 bit and you need to install a libusb compatibility package. For example, on openSUSE 11.4 you just run | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zypper in libusb-0_1-4-32bit | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | << | 11:29 |
| zemmy | soooooo? | 11:30 |
| zemmy | anyway http://pastie.org/private/odomztpubqox4mra2ehmea | 11:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FSCK pastie | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cookie infested shite | 11:31 |
| zemmy | ? | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and javascript, wants even set cookies when you close window | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sooooo install libusb-0_1-4-32bit | 11:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and read http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 11:32 |
| zemmy | ahahaha upon 64 bit systemm | 11:32 |
| zemmy | is it possible? | 11:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and read http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware !!!!!!!!! | 11:33 |
| zemmy | ok | 11:33 |
| kolp | zemmy: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch64_FAQ#Can_I_run_32-bit_apps_inside_Arch64.3F | 11:33 |
| zemmy | alright | 11:33 |
| zemmy | wth is boring | 11:34 |
| zemmy | what is just supposed to do | 11:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I gave you the link two times, I even spammed the channel with a 6 lines fullquote | 11:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 3 times | 11:35 |
| zemmy | but the link shows up a huge page Is boooring | 11:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what of >> you are probably on 64 bit and you need to install a libusb compatibility package. << is so complex? | 11:35 |
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| zemmy | nope... alright | 11:35 |
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| zemmy | but I need to compile that | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, you won't get private lessons for free here | 11:36 |
| zemmy | ... | 11:36 |
| zemmy | ok I pass to my notebook which is 32 bit | 11:36 |
| zammy | hey all | 11:38 |
| zammy | installed the deb flasher -.- | 11:40 |
| zammy | this is boring as well | 11:40 |
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| zammy | so to install the rescueOS.img I just have to execute sudo -F flasher-3.5 -f or what? | 11:42 |
| zammy | ... maybe is better to wait for N1N | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, you don't *flash* the rescueOS | 11:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see the readme file that comes with rescueOS | 11:46 |
| zammy | NIN101, you are here | 11:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no -f | 11:46 |
| zammy | oh ok | 11:46 |
| zammy | so you want me to do it correctly | 11:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and no sudo -F | 11:47 |
| zammy | alright | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's completely garbled | 11:47 |
| zammy | you are not so mean | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (sudo) flasher-3.5 -F <file> -l or whatever | 11:47 |
| zammy | ... if you were you could say yess do it | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, we suggest lusers to clean their device in the automatic dish washer | 11:49 |
| zammy | ahahahaha | 11:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or run nandtest | 11:49 |
| zammy | you see now I know when you are joking | 11:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 11:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nandtest conveniently deletes ALL data and config from your device | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | irrecoverably | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | including | 11:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cal | 11:51 |
| infobot | somebody said cal was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465 | 11:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | turns N900 in a nice living brick | 11:52 |
| zammy | sorry anyway DocScrutinizer05 but I need a repetition... so... I must do sudo flasher-3.5 -F rescueOS-1.1.img -l | 11:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not 100% sure about the -l | 11:53 |
| zammy | NIN101, ? | 11:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might be another char that means "-Load to ram" | 11:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do a flasher-3.5 --help | 11:53 |
| zammy | ok | 11:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or *read the readme* in rescueOS tarball | 11:54 |
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| zammy | flasher-3.5 -k 2.6.37 -n initrd.img -l -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0" from http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Nin101/N900_Rescue_OS | 11:55 |
| zammy | what the heck | 11:56 |
| zammy | all that means | 11:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | -k is the kernel image file, -n is probably a initrd image file, -l means "load to RAM", -b is the kernel commandline iirc | 11:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | from "root=/dev/ram0" you can tell it searches for rootfs in RAM and not on any storage device | 11:59 |
| zammy | weird... I don't want create a bootable microsd in order to boot this rescueOS after inside the n900 | 11:59 |
| zammy | that's the guide for | 11:59 |
| zammy | wwaaaa too bored to read all but I did | 11:59 |
| zammy | therefore we do not want to describe how to install it on the N900. OMG | 12:00 |
| zammy | NIN101, | 12:00 |
| kolp | Sorry zammy, but 'too bored' is really not the right attitude to ask for free help | 12:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/NIN101_N900_rescue_os/nin101.uni.cx/N900/rescueOS/documentation.txt | 12:00 |
| zammy | so DocScrutinizer05 it's right that is the command I must execute | 12:02 |
| zammy | this guide is more useful I think | 12:02 |
| zammy | I just must do this -Backuping files prior to a reflash. | 12:04 |
| zammy | I START | 12:04 |
| NIN101 | now I am here. | 12:05 |
| zammy | ... | 12:05 |
| zammy | right in time | 12:05 |
| zammy | I was pressing execute | 12:06 |
| zammy | I have installed flasher mate and downloaded the rescueOS-1.1.img | 12:06 |
| zammy | now? the command I must execute is flasher-3.5 -k 2.6.37 -n initrd.img -l -b"rootdelay root=/dev/ram0" right? | 12:06 |
| zammy | with sudo or without?ù | 12:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/NIN101_N900_rescue_os/nin101.uni.cx/N900/rescueOS/ | 12:06 |
| NIN101 | http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/documentation.txt this is the official documentation, other mirrors and wiki articles are probably outdated | 12:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with | 12:07 |
| zammy | yes NIN101 that's the coolest guide upon it | 12:07 |
| zammy | so I just execute | 12:08 |
| zammy | but I need to substitute initrd.img with rescueOS-1.1.img right? | 12:08 |
| NIN101 | correct. | 12:08 |
| zammy | it outputs no such file or directory | 12:09 |
| NIN101 | then you haven't downloaded the kernel. | 12:09 |
| NIN101 | http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/2.6.37 | 12:09 |
| zammy | now I understand all the command line | 12:10 |
| NIN101 | I admit it could have been better named than "2.6.37" | 12:10 |
| zammy | yes it's started | 12:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ | 12:11 |
| zammy | n900 started to behave weird | 12:11 |
| zammy | it askes in small character something | 12:11 |
| zammy | FTP | 12:12 |
| zammy | anonymous | 12:12 |
| zammy | y/n | 12:12 |
| NIN101 | usually it's quite readable... | 12:12 |
| zammy | NIN101, anyway let me tell you it's quite cool since I could not boot any thing here | 12:12 |
| NIN101 | it asks you 3 questions. | 12:12 |
| zammy | any THING | 12:13 |
| zammy | so I y or n | 12:13 |
| zammy | ftp | 12:13 |
| zammy | anonymous download and up | 12:13 |
| NIN101 | depends on whether you think you will need it. | 12:13 |
| zammy | yes I must save datas from n900 to pc | 12:13 |
| zammy | so I 'd say yes | 12:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd say no | 12:14 |
| NIN101 | yeah | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you already don't know | 12:14 |
| NIN101 | though if you use mass-storage mode you won't need it. | 12:14 |
| zammy | oh... now I remember why I would do it by my desktop pc and not by notebook... because here I have no free storage | 12:14 |
| zammy | I must to ssh further from notebook to desktop | 12:14 |
| zammy | that's I know how to | 12:14 |
| zammy | alright so I say no | 12:15 |
| zammy | ? | 12:15 |
| zammy | don't be ambiguous NIN | 12:15 |
| zammy | NIN101, | 12:15 |
| NIN101 | pretty much doesn't matter. I would say yes to FTP, yes to telnetd, and no to usb networking if you want to use mass-storage mode | 12:16 |
| zammy | ok | 12:16 |
| zammy | that's cool sentence NIN | 12:16 |
| zammy | finally... yeah I am in shell | 12:17 |
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| zammy | /rescueOS/mass-storage-enable.sh this right? NIN101 | 12:18 |
| NIN101 | yes | 12:18 |
| zammy | I would have tab now... hehe | 12:18 |
| NIN101 | usually shift + space. | 12:18 |
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| zammy | really? that's a clue for me | 12:19 |
| zammy | cool my god the notebook has just mounted that folder | 12:19 |
| zammy | alright now I open ssh folder too and I save all | 12:20 |
| zammy | thank you very much NIN101 | 12:20 |
| NIN101 | yw | 12:20 |
| zammy | not you DocScrutinizer05 you were almost mean with me | 12:20 |
| zammy | XD | 12:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~nuke zammy | 12:22 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at zammy ... Bâ¢â¢M! | 12:22 | |
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| zammy | and if NIN101 I mean... is also charging the battery? | 12:41 |
| zammy | because it needs a while... I 'd say 2 hours and 50 minutes | 12:41 |
| NIN101 | read the documentation | 12:43 |
| NIN101 | basically it's not unless you ask it to. | 12:44 |
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| Apic | A wonderful good Morning (UGT). | 12:51 |
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| zammy | NIN101, the script for battery has to be improved... it says in loop something... like Status: 0x20 Mode: StandBY FULL: 1 Wall: 0 voltage: 386x NAC: 1091xx level: 80 % rate - 307 System: -1 | 12:57 |
| zammy | and so on... | 12:57 |
| zammy | it updates but I would this not looping overall the screen like panic errors | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 12:59 |
| NIN101 | you can redirect the output to a file if it annoys you. | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to dev/null | 13:00 |
| NIN101 | or there, yeah. | 13:00 |
| zammy | I don't need the shell now... but If I must use again the shell I must stop all this NIN101 this is what I want to say and not that's annoying me | 13:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | i wouldn't know how this can annoy you, when you're anyway using MSM and not using console | 13:01 |
| zammy | alright? | 13:03 |
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| zammy | wth NIN101 the level goes down... does not increase the battery this script? | 13:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when there's not power then it doesn't charge | 13:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when it's full and in standby mode then it doesn't charge | 13:23 |
| NIN101 | zammy: This script was not written by me. I in general don't know much about the inner workings of it... | 13:25 |
| zammy | I can even use nano and edit the script... | 13:27 |
| zammy | but I don't understand it neither | 13:27 |
| zammy | how to write | inside the terminal without that cool feature... | 13:30 |
| zammy | by only combo of keys | 13:30 |
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| NIN101 | it depends on your keyboard. | 13:31 |
| NIN101 | this is the part that sucks most about rescueOS, not localized keymaps. | 13:32 |
| NIN101 | but it's quite some boring work nobody wants to do. | 13:32 |
| zammy | so... I passed over I need ssh server enabled into n900 by command line | 13:34 |
| zammy | so with ssh I overtake my n900 and I can handle the charging stuff too | 13:34 |
| NIN101 | this can be done using usb-networking and telnetd which you activated on boot. no ssh in rescueOS. However, usb-networking can't be active while usb mass-storde mode is. | 13:35 |
| zammy | oh right telnet | 13:35 |
| zammy | that's is enabled for sure and I wanna use it | 13:35 |
| zammy | experienced | 13:35 |
| zammy | so... telnet 192.168.1.72 and? | 13:36 |
| zammy | it's not by wifi... | 13:37 |
| zammy | oh gosh I am dumb | 13:38 |
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| zammy | I give up... at least after this 1:50 hour I hope my battery can resist until the end | 13:39 |
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| mashina | i loved my N800 but hated the camera/stylus hump | 13:41 |
| mashina | i could kill a man with that thing | 13:42 |
| mashina | just whack them on the head with an N800, fiddle around with it, watch them collapsed | 13:43 |
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| ShadowJK | airy plastic shells with lots of give are good for impact resistance | 13:54 |
| mashina | m6be i'd evfen take a picture with it's shitty camera | 13:56 |
| mashina | *its | 13:56 |
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| ShadowJK | i dont think ive ever used the camera | 13:58 |
| mashina | me neither | 13:59 |
| mashina | it kept the tradition for front facing cameras on everything to be shit | 13:59 |
| mashina | the only device i've owned with a half decent one was a nexus 4 and it was for someone else | 14:00 |
| mashina | also the wifi range on the N800 was great | 14:02 |
| mashina | full bars everywhere inside, can pick up wifi where my N900 can't or struggles | 14:02 |
| zammy | wow wonderful features the n800 | 14:02 |
| zammy | a killer would buy it | 14:03 |
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| ShadowJK | I find my N900 has better wifi range than N800 or N810 | 14:20 |
| zammy | I need to test the hit feature of my brick n900 | 14:21 |
| zammy | I test on my dad's head | 14:21 |
| zammy | omg... n900 kills as well as | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't miss to install FlyN900 first | 14:21 |
| zammy | oh right let's test it again on my mum | 14:22 |
| zammy | uhmm gps now? | 14:22 |
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| zammy | mummy is dead | 14:24 |
| zammy | omg this n900 is a killer | 14:24 |
| zammy | now remains to call 911 | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I start to get bored by posts on Neo900 thread | 14:24 |
| zammy | oh fuck so difficult to explain to n900 to call it | 14:24 |
| zammy | it wants kill my self omg | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what are you smoking? | 14:25 |
| zammy | the n900 supply battery | 14:25 |
| mashina | i don't have 1000$ to spend a motherboard sadly | 14:25 |
| mashina | this guy is high as fuck | 14:25 |
| Wizzup | quite | 14:25 |
| zammy | n900 kills all mothers even motherboard | 14:26 |
| * Wizzup casts /ignore | 14:26 | |
| mashina | can i have what he's smoking? | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stay clear of that stuff, it#s bad | 14:26 |
| zammy | the BL-5J battery | 14:26 |
| zammy | burn it | 14:27 |
| zammy | and smell | 14:27 |
| mashina | he's high on lithium, watch out | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm HF, tasty | 14:27 |
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| zammy | mashina seems to me mescalina | 14:28 |
| zammy | XD | 14:28 |
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| zammy | DocScrutinizer05, I am copying also opt and user folders | 14:30 |
| zammy | further to mydocs | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /etc | 14:31 |
| mashina | this guy will run with / as fat32 | 14:31 |
| zammy | who is fat | 14:31 |
| zammy | I am not fat | 14:31 |
| zammy | I am tight high | 14:31 |
| zammy | XD I love mescalima | 14:32 |
| zammy | anyway DocScrutinizer05 there is no etc folder | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right | 14:32 |
| zammy | all I saw is just opt and user and mydocs | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | forget about opt | 14:32 |
| zammy | I forget too many things lastely... maybe I must stop with LSA | 14:33 |
| zammy | and LSD | 14:33 |
| zammy | and mescalina | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | start with stopping noise | 14:33 |
| zammy | right | 14:34 |
| mashina | dont do drugs | 14:34 |
| zammy | sure | 14:34 |
| zammy | I produce it but taste is my duty | 14:34 |
| mashina | talk.maemo.org supports Mothers Against Drunk IRC. | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | talk.m.o supports karma now again | 14:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so odds are some of you guys will receive a voting token this time, even when you didn't get one last time | 14:37 |
| sono | good morning - Sent from my N900 | 14:37 |
| sono | how is everyone? - Sent from my N900 | 14:37 |
| sono | =p | 14:37 |
| mashina | i shpuld do that to assert dominance over android users | 14:38 |
| sono | if i want to change the mtdparts i can do so through flasher3-5 command line options ans it will set them up for me? | 14:39 |
| zammy | mashina n900 can kills all androids | 14:39 |
| zammy | humanoids and aliens | 14:39 |
| entitled | hey sono - Sent from my N900 using Irssi | 14:41 |
| zammy | sono I don't eat flesh anymore... I don't attend mtdparts | 14:41 |
| zammy | I can't give advices to you if you did not get it | 14:42 |
| zammy | just in case I told you | 14:42 |
| sono | so? - Sent from my N900 using mosh, tmux and irssi. | 14:43 |
| mashina | i use ssh tmux and irssi | 14:43 |
| mashina | not cool yet | 14:43 |
| sono | 8========D | 14:43 |
| sono | so mature | 14:44 |
| Apic | I use ssh, GNU Screen and irssi | 14:44 |
| mashina | screen? you disgust me | 14:44 |
| Apic | ;-P | 14:45 |
| Apic | Mr. Schrödinger rules. | 14:45 |
| Apic | Or Schröder? | 14:45 |
| mashina | why dont yiu use tmux | 14:45 |
| sono | ~coreutils | 14:45 |
| infobot | if coreutils doesn't show any more colors for +x files, update coreutils from deb http://ludicrus.ath.cx/debian/ ./ | 14:45 |
| sono | hm | 14:45 |
| Apic | It does not have the same Default Input Layouts and I am too lazy to configure it. | 14:46 |
| sono | ah, gnu- | 14:46 |
| mashina | isnt busybox good enough | 14:47 |
| sono | no. | 14:47 |
| zammy | who saw The Trip on youtube | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sono: mtdparts are hardcoded into flasher, NOLO dunnowhatelse | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the reason why they didn't nuke initrd mtdpart | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even on N900 where it#s orphaned and abandoned | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a pity since it#s too small for even ubifs | 14:52 |
| zammy | poor orphaned n900 | 14:52 |
| zammy | poor too small | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh please stop it | 14:53 |
| zammy | ok | 14:53 |
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| sono | hm | 14:53 |
| sono | thanks for the caution, doc | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | np | 14:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sono: you know `cat /proc/mtd` | 14:57 |
| sono | yea, i was missing them from cmdline so they must be compiled in | 14:57 |
| sono | and i read about someone who evidently customized it, as i want to as well | 14:58 |
| sono | it can wait | 14:58 |
| sono | this phone is so sexy | 14:59 |
| zammy | don't use in that way you are thinking at | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | customized what? | 14:59 |
| sono | mtdparts layout | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need to patch kernel at least, and this will still cause havoc when flashing | 15:00 |
| sono | why not? it is no dark magic. bigger root, less home | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you patch NOLO and flasher as well | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 15:01 |
| * sono loves patching kernels. | 15:01 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware that home is on a different chip? | 15:01 |
| zammy | chips not only partitions? | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | are you sure you don't mix this with eMMC repartitioning? | 15:02 |
| * sono frantically types mount | 15:02 | |
| sono | possibly | 15:02 |
| sono | =3 | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NAND MTD is 256MB total | 15:02 |
| sono | oh | 15:02 |
| sono | i see | 15:03 |
| sono | thanks | 15:03 |
| sono | yea, i am doing mny things at once... | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for eMMC repartitioning see | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 15:04 |
| infobot | jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | most easy way to get eMMC repartitioned | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also see | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ptification | 15:05 |
| zammy | so I am right... not different devices... but partitions | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~optification | 15:05 |
| infobot | optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...and how /opt is a bindmount to /home/opt | 15:06 |
| zammy | but if I want install the archlinux version of n900 firmware | 15:06 |
| zammy | I don't need to backup opt | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also check maemo-optify-auto-opt.sh maemo-optify-firstboot.sh maemo-optify-lib.sh maemo-optify-make-mountbind.sh | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sono: see also about meego: installing to uSd / installing to eMMC | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kolp: what been our problem with Itt karma now? | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I admit I can't spot when we fixed it | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and how | 15:11 |
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| sono | well i will remember to search for this in the logs; not flashing at this point | 15:12 |
| sono | the binds, yes... | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah, Dave Neary reclaimed his karma 7 minutes ago | 15:13 |
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| zammy | finally finished to backup | 15:52 |
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| zammy | DocScrutinizer05, what is the latest firmware to flash on? | 16:07 |
| zammy | ~firmware | 16:07 |
| infobot | rumour has it, firmware is hardware that is beginning to melt Firmware for GrandStream phones is at http://www.hellofone.com/files/ | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~pr131 | 16:08 |
| infobot | hmm... combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin or http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 16:08 |
| zammy | pr sounds like a fart did someone say that? | 16:08 |
| zammy | nevermind... anyway which is the difference of both bins? | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing | 16:09 |
| infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 16:09 |
| zammy | I know this... thankful for repeating... | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, those two. none | 16:10 |
| zammy | lol? | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 16:10 |
| zammy | no difference between RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 16:11 |
| zammy | oh right | 16:11 |
| zammy | there is no... but wth two links | 16:11 |
| zammy | alright the fastest won | 16:11 |
| zammy | and DocScrutinizer05 what about new OS for next n900? | 16:12 |
| zammy | what such neo900 | 16:13 |
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| dos1 | zammy: eveyone will be free to create/port any OS to neo900 | 16:13 |
| dos1 | it will be open platform, just like pc | 16:14 |
| dos1 | (or like openmoko devices, or like gta04 is right now) | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi dos1 | 16:14 |
| zammy | do you mean automatic upgrade? | 16:14 |
| dos1 | DocScrutinizer05: hello | 16:14 |
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| zammy | smooth upgrade it says well so what's the problem... if I want to install right now neo900 | 16:16 |
| dos1 | zammy: sorry, I don't really understand you | 16:17 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 gives up | 16:17 | |
| zammy | dos1, I read on neo900.org it says smooth upgrade for n900 | 16:18 |
| dos1 | zammy: hardware upgrade | 16:19 |
| zammy | and there is a talk.maemo post very interesting... and it's enough I don't read all the posts | 16:19 |
| zammy | yes... and also about the LTE upgrade right now I was reading | 16:19 |
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| zammy | but... what about the bin for flashing the neo900 right now that I need to flash | 16:19 |
| dos1 | zammy: there's no neo900 produced yet | 16:20 |
| zammy | oh... | 16:20 |
| dos1 | so obviously there are no images available for neo900 yet | 16:20 |
| Humpelstilzchen | what about graphic support on n900? Will we be able to get a powervr version? | 16:21 |
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| zammy | the talk.maemo speask also about 700euro for the complete product | 16:24 |
| zammy | but if I wanna just upgrade does not tell about that | 16:24 |
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| zammy | if my battery is at 30% of level can I flash n900 DocScrutinizer05 ? | 16:31 |
| kerio | no | 16:35 |
| kerio | well | 16:36 |
| kerio | it'll probably allow you to do so | 16:36 |
| kerio | but no | 16:36 |
| kerio | don't do that | 16:36 |
| kerio | charge the battery | 16:36 |
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| zammy | can istop topress u? | 16:39 |
| zammy | alright I had to change battery | 16:39 |
| zammy | DocScrutinizer05, it finished the sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f | 16:41 |
| zammy | and now? | 16:42 |
| zammy | it kept one minute and I don't see the reason why it needed the full battery | 16:42 |
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| dos1 | zammy: for just a motherboard it's going to be somewhere around 100-150 EUR cheaper | 16:50 |
| zammy | so 600euro? | 16:50 |
| zammy | 550? | 16:50 |
| dos1 | we'll see, those are just estimations for now | 16:50 |
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| zammy | rebooted device all fine mates | 16:56 |
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| DrCode | hi all | 18:23 |
| DrCode | I am looking for app in maemo that can send sms when I missed call , like I will call later or I am in a meeting? | 18:23 |
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| sono | ~skype | 18:41 |
| infobot | [~skype] Skype is a free VoIP software and service using a closed client and propritary protocol. Only commercial channel drivers exist, with most solutions being complex, complicated, and hack-ish . Digium's SkypeForAsterisk (see ~SkypeForAsterisk) is a new solution that is a cleaner non-dependent option. | 18:41 |
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| kolp | DocScrutinizer05: (how we fixed karma) I'm not entirely sure myself either, but it might have just been the casts?!? | 18:43 |
| jon_y | ~propritary~ | 18:46 |
| jon_y | not sure if on purpose :) | 18:46 |
| sono | karma? | 18:51 |
| sono | ~karma | 18:51 |
| infobot | sono has neutral karma | 18:51 |
| sono | i remember seeing that feature years ago in some other #... | 18:51 |
| kolp | sono: If you have an accoun ton maemo.org (not tmo) you can accumulate karma. And use that for passive or active voting on the community council | 18:53 |
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| kolp | s/not/in addition to/ | 18:53 |
| infobot | kolp meant: sono: If you have an accoun ton maemo.org (in addition to tmo) you can accumulate karma. And use that for passive or active voting on the community council | 18:53 |
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| sono | cock | 19:12 |
| sono | s/cock/thanks | 19:12 |
| sono | s/cock/thanks/ | 19:12 |
| infobot | sono meant: s/thanks/thanks | 19:12 |
| sono | ... | 19:12 |
| sono | a common mistake. | 19:12 |
| sono | the keys are ok. | 19:12 |
| sono | but how do you press ctrl-a without going insane | 19:13 |
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| sono | ~tvout | 19:23 |
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| sono | ~mumble | 19:26 |
| infobot | somebody said mumble was an open source, low-latency, high quality voice chat software primarily intended for use while gaming, found at http://mumble.sourceforge.net/ | 19:26 |
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| sono | mumble is in extras-devel and unstable | 20:29 |
| sono | infobot: forget mumble | 20:29 |
| infobot | sono: i forgot mumble | 20:29 |
| sono | infobot: mumble is in extras-devel and unstable | 20:29 |
| infobot | sono: okay | 20:29 |
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| sono | no luck with input. crash when opening settings dialog. error log spam. | 20:30 |
| sono | ~alsamixer | 20:32 |
| BCMM | why can't i see the uSD card over MSC? | 20:33 |
| sono | infobot: alsamixer is alsamixer -c 0 | 20:33 |
| BCMM | (on a desktop linux machine) | 20:33 |
| infobot | sono: I think you lost me on that one | 20:33 |
| sono | is that supposed to be an error message? | 20:33 |
| sono | BCMM: dmesg? | 20:34 |
| Sicelo | BCMM: msc being? | 20:34 |
| sono | ~alsamixer | 20:34 |
| sono | infobot: forget alsamixer | 20:34 |
| infobot | i didn't have anything called 'alsamixer' to forget, sono | 20:34 |
| Sicelo | and sono .. what's happening? | 20:34 |
| sono | infobot: alsamixer is "alsamixer -c 0" | 20:34 |
| infobot | okay, sono | 20:34 |
| sono | infobot: thanks | 20:34 |
| infobot | pas de quoi, sono | 20:34 |
| BCMM | Sicelo: sorry, i mean USB MSC | 20:35 |
| BCMM | i mean, mass storage mode | 20:35 |
| sono | BCMM: dmesg? | 20:35 |
| Sicelo | likely BCMM you have something using it in maemo | 20:35 |
| Sicelo | try lsof.. even though it is not perfect in maemo | 20:35 |
| BCMM | Sicelo: nah, it became inaccessible in maemo | 20:36 |
| BCMM | or at least, file manager said it was | 20:36 |
| Sicelo | ah, lol.. so no way it will be accesible via storage mode.. | 20:36 |
| BCMM | i guess i didn't actually check | 20:36 |
| Sicelo | wait.. | 20:36 |
| Sicelo | oh | 20:36 |
| Sicelo | so make sure of that.. then do an fdisk on the appropriate sdX drive on computer once you plug you N900 | 20:38 |
| BCMM | Sicelo: i only got one sdX on the desktop | 20:38 |
| BCMM | (and that was mydocs) | 20:38 |
| Sicelo | mydocs is not uSD | 20:39 |
| BCMM | i know; they are supposed to come up as two devices on the host machine, right? | 20:39 |
| BCMM | like, sdc and sdd? | 20:39 |
| Sicelo | nop | 20:39 |
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| Sicelo | just one.. but with two fs | 20:40 |
| Sicelo | sdc1 , sdc2 | 20:40 |
| Sicelo | something like that.. let me confirm though | 20:40 |
| Sicelo | lol, ok. you are right | 20:41 |
| Sicelo | should have two devices | 20:41 |
| BCMM | and i checked, maemo has unmounted it | 20:42 |
| BCMM | it might be a problem with my desktop tbh | 20:42 |
| BCMM | removable media is slightly odd | 20:42 |
| BCMM | for some reason, KDE doesn't pop up a notice about something being plugged in until a read at least a byte from it | 20:42 |
| BCMM | e.g. i do `file -s /dev/sdc` | 20:42 |
| BCMM | but now i'm offtopic | 20:43 |
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| Sicelo | but if fdisk doesn't show it.. i doubt i could blame KDE | 20:43 |
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| Sicelo | BCMM: you're absolutely sure `fdisk -l` doesn't show the uSD? | 20:47 |
| BCMM | will try again in a minute | 20:47 |
| BCMM | didn't try fdisk -l | 20:47 |
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| BCMM | MyDocs is readonly, and i can't tell why | 22:12 |
| BCMM | i have fsck'ed it from another computer in mass storage mode, and it's fine | 22:12 |
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| BCMM | it seems to have started after i manually unmounted the microSD card (not MyDocs) | 22:13 |
| BCMM | how can i get a read-only MyDocs back? | 22:13 |
| sono | rescueoss? | 22:15 |
| sono | ~rescueos | 22:15 |
| infobot | hmm... rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ | 22:15 |
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| zamn900 | hello guys | 22:39 |
| zamn900 | i am using a faster ans brand new n900 | 22:40 |
| zamn900 | thank you too doc | 22:40 |
| zamn900 | idk how to make tab here chatting in xchat | 22:41 |
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| zamn900 | lol | 22:47 |
| zamn900 | too dark xhat | 22:47 |
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| ecc3g | need to somehow make xchat just display everything in black and white, the purple and dark green has to go... | 22:56 |
| BCMM | sono: how does rescueOS help in this situation? | 22:57 |
| BCMM | i mean, what should i do with rescueOS? | 22:57 |
| BCMM | the FAT seems to be fine, it just keeps mounting ro | 22:57 |
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| zamn900 | hello | 22:58 |
| zamn900 | DocScrutinizer05, hello | 22:58 |
| zamn900 | BCMM, if you have boot menu installed | 22:59 |
| BCMM | zamn900: i do | 22:59 |
| zamn900 | you can even use that | 22:59 |
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| BCMM | zamn900: i'm rebooting, but i'm not sure what i need to do with boot menu | 23:00 |
| zamn900 | to open your folders into your pc by usb | 23:00 |
| BCMM | i already fscked MyDocs over USB | 23:00 |
| zamn900 | alright | 23:00 |
| zamn900 | so for what you are asking for rescueos? | 23:00 |
| BCMM | zamn900: sono told me to use it, i asked him why | 23:01 |
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| zamn900 | so I am | 23:01 |
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| BCMM | ... i don't understand | 23:01 |
| zamn900 | I don't too | 23:02 |
| BCMM | my problem, as far as i'm concerned, is that mydocs is mounted read-only | 23:02 |
| zamn900 | oh that's simply an option change which fixes that | 23:03 |
| BCMM | it may have started after i accidentally removed the battery while it was running | 23:03 |
| zamn900 | the option is inside fstab | 23:03 |
| BCMM | but i saw a message telling me it was RO right after i manually unmounted the SD card | 23:03 |
| zamn900 | yes that happens | 23:03 |
| BCMM | zamn900: it also gets mounted read-only if it's corrupted | 23:03 |
| BCMM | maybe i'm using fsck wrong | 23:04 |
| zamn900 | hold on | 23:04 |
| zamn900 | you checked around the fstab stuff | 23:04 |
| zamn900 | ? | 23:04 |
| BCMM | zamn900: it's an n900 | 23:05 |
| BCMM | the fstab is created at boot or something | 23:05 |
| BCMM | anyway, in backupmenu, fstab is blank | 23:05 |
| zamn900 | but n900 has fstab too | 23:05 |
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| BCMM | the fstab is created automatically; modifications to it are not preserved | 23:06 |
| BCMM | and right now i'm in backupmenu's console, so fstab is blank | 23:06 |
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| zamn900 | well let's compare our fstab | 23:07 |
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| zamn900 | I ve just installed my n900 from zero today | 23:07 |
| zamn900 | soo | 23:07 |
| zammy | BCMM, this is my option related to MyDocs as brand new installed maemo on n900 noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir inside the fstab | 23:08 |
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| BCMM | so something actually is wrong with the partition, and it didn't show up the first time... | 23:16 |
| BCMM | i seem to have lost a lot of files | 23:16 |
| BCMM | argh, read errors over usb | 23:17 |
| zamn900 | BCMM, did you find differences comparing the line I posted you with yours? | 23:18 |
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