| M4rtinK | freemangordon: and had to be manually downloaded and installed (Mali drivers for the Tizen developer device) | 00:00 |
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| freemangordon | M4rtinK: and give the fact I was able to run maemo5 powervr driver with kernel 3.2 and boot maemo into GUI, I think it shouldn't be that hard | 00:00 |
| freemangordon | M4rtinK: SGX drivers are freely redistributable, from the TI site | 00:01 |
| M4rtinK | freemangordon: well it would make newer kernels possible, that would be indeed super nice ! :) | 00:01 |
| freemangordon | M4rtinK: well, I guess the first step should be to get ANY kernel in CSSU :D | 00:02 |
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| freemangordon | and I suspect Pali have long-term plans for newer kernel on n900(keeping maemo5), but don;t tell anyone :) | 00:03 |
| freemangordon | I only need some free time to try backprting PVR driver | 00:04 |
| freemangordon | backporting even | 00:04 |
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| M4rtinK | freemangordon: well I remember him talking about it back in 2012 in Prague at Openmobility in Prague :) | 00:04 |
| M4rtinK | -1*in Prague | 00:05 |
| freemangordon | :) | 00:05 |
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| freemangordon | however, going to have some sleep, night | 00:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | seems there are ~30 packages still to test that I have never installed or voted on. night fmg | 00:09 |
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| LjL-Alps | where are accurate, up-to-date information about the BME replacement? it appears it's part of the latest KP but i think it still needs some userland stuff, but i've been confused by searching. | 00:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~bme-rep | 00:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | mmm | 00:13 |
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| Sysaxed | hmm, I have messed with permissions a little bit, how to set default ones? | 00:14 |
| LjL-Alps | ~bmerep | 00:14 |
| LjL-Alps | hopefully by a little bit you don't mean you chmod's half of / :P | 00:14 |
| Sysaxed | just some of my files in MyDocs | 00:15 |
| sixwheeledbeast | DDG says https://gitorious.org/rx51-bme-replacement | 00:15 |
| LjL-Alps | i'm not looking for a search result, i'm looking for someone who knows a given page with instructions and information is accurate, up-to-date, appropriate for KP, etc | 00:17 |
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| Sysaxed | most probably the user is wrong as well | 00:17 |
| Sysaxed | -rw-r--r-- 1 user users | 00:18 |
| Sysaxed | right? | 00:18 |
| LjL-Alps | let me look | 00:19 |
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| LjL-Alps | Sysaxed: oh my device, everything in MyDocs seems to be user:root and rwxrwxrwx | 00:21 |
| Sysaxed | huh | 00:22 |
| Sysaxed | huh I have different users | 00:22 |
| Sysaxed | user users/1000 1000/root root | 00:23 |
| Sysaxed | 1000 1000 are most probably files created from pc | 00:23 |
| Sysaxed | LjL-Alps: don't you have fat on your mydocs? | 00:23 |
| Sysaxed | ha-ha | 00:23 |
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| LjL-Alps | Sysaxed: uhm i haven't changed MyDocs in any way, should be FAT, but i just got this N900 used a few days ago. second | 00:25 |
| LjL-Alps | yeah, it's vfat | 00:26 |
| Sysaxed | so no permissions there :) | 00:27 |
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| LjL-Alps | you're right of course | 00:40 |
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| qwazix | freemangordon, sixwheeledbeast, I remember promoting rawcam a few days before the migration, I don't know why it's still on the queue... | 01:01 |
| qwazix | it is currently in extras | 01:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ah hi qwazix, do you have a promote button? | 01:01 |
| qwazix | and freemangordon sorry for that bmo blunder it slipped off all of us I think... | 01:02 |
| qwazix | sixwheeledbeast, no I don't | 01:02 |
| sixwheeledbeast | mmm, it's seems that it is in extras and somehow not removed from testing queue. | 01:10 |
| qwazix | yep | 01:10 |
| qwazix | maybe that's the case for other apps too? | 01:11 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | some of them possibly | 01:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I have ~30 tabs open with packages I will look at ASAP | 01:14 |
| qwazix | It's not the case for battery widget, qt-mobile hotspot and abook-dtmf | 01:15 |
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| qwazix | neither wargus, omweather gismeteo.ru, and opera | 01:17 |
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| qwazix | nothing on page 4 of the list either | 01:18 |
| qwazix | nothing on page 2 | 01:20 |
| qwazix | sorry page 3 | 01:20 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Some of them have blockers even though they have enough votes. | 01:21 |
| qwazix | I found one http://maemo.org/packages/view/qtquickcompat/ | 01:23 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | qwazix: which page of packages is that? | 01:26 |
| qwazix | I didn't get the question | 01:27 |
| qwazix | (I also found this http://maemo.org/packages/view/purple-extra-protocols/) | 01:27 |
| qwazix | ah sorry, page 2 | 01:27 |
| qwazix | It's getting late and I don't think straight | 01:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ta | 01:29 |
| sixwheeledbeast | rawcam is sorted now anywho. | 01:30 |
| qwazix | thanks! | 01:34 |
| qwazix | I think I got through all of them, only those two packages above exhibit this problem | 01:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | sorted ta for that, that's three packages off the list anyway. | 01:37 |
| sixwheeledbeast | anywho, night #maemo :) | 01:38 |
| qwazix | night! | 01:40 |
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| Sysaxed | OH GREAT | 02:21 |
| Sysaxed | so, I was copying 8gb of files to my mydocs folder | 02:21 |
| Sysaxed | then, after it finished, I unplugged my phone | 02:21 |
| Sysaxed | uhh, it can boot up, but it doesn't show anything! | 02:22 |
| Sysaxed | file manager says (no files/folders) | 02:22 |
| Sysaxed | and the phone hangs from time to time for periods about 1 minute | 02:23 |
| Sysaxed | what the? Should I run fsck? | 02:23 |
| Sysaxed | df says that MyDocs is not even mounted | 02:25 |
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| Sysaxed | oh yeah | 02:32 |
| Sysaxed | fsck recovered it | 02:32 |
| Wizzup | now to fsck the / :) | 02:35 |
| Wizzup | I need to do that | 02:35 |
| Wizzup | Somehow I doubt touch /fsck will work | 02:35 |
| Wizzup | (or whatever the exact file was) | 02:35 |
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| nox- | Sysaxed, guess you unplugged before it had finished writing... | 02:38 |
| nox- | (linux is crazy like that, writes long after the cp command `finished') | 02:39 |
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| Sysaxed | nox-: yeah, I didn't expect it to break that hard | 02:45 |
| nox- | well unplugging a disk while its still being written to sure is likely to end up with a corrupted fs... | 02:47 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: is extmou decent, though? | 11:30 |
| kerio | or does it do stuff like extkbd, with packages that replace system packages | 11:31 |
| kerio | ~bmerep | 11:34 |
| kerio | ~pali | 11:35 |
| infobot | well, pali is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/ | 11:35 |
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| kerio | infobot: bmerep is echo "deb http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement/ ./" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bmerep.list | 11:39 |
| infobot | kerio: okay | 11:39 |
| kerio | ~bmerep | 11:45 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, bmerep is echo "deb http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement/ ./" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bmerep.list | 11:45 |
| kerio | schweet | 11:45 |
| kerio | infobot: no, bmerep is `echo "deb http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement/ ./" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bmerep.list` | 11:45 |
| infobot | okay, kerio | 11:45 |
| kerio | ~bmerep | 11:45 |
| infobot | it has been said that bmerep is `echo "deb http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement/ ./" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bmerep.list` | 11:45 |
| kerio | ...meh | 11:45 |
| kerio | infobot: forget bmerep | 11:45 |
| infobot | kerio: i forgot bmerep | 11:45 |
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| DrCode | hi all | 14:10 |
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| DrCode | i am trying to sync maemo contacts with my car | 14:12 |
| DrCode | my car start download but still cant get contacs | 14:13 |
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| zeq1 | DrCode: there is an updated obexd around somewhere | 14:28 |
| zeq1 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PBAP | 14:28 |
| zeq1 | works for me | 14:29 |
| zeq1 | this should probably go into CSSU | 14:31 |
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| freemangordon_ | zeq1: it is in cssu | 14:45 |
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| zeq1 | latest version? | 14:45 |
| freemangordon | hmm, not sure, but I guess yes | 14:46 |
| freemangordon | wait, latest version of what? | 14:46 |
| zeq1 | for whatever reason it only worked after I installed http://merlin1991.at/~luf/obexd/ | 14:46 |
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| freemangordon | zeq1: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/obexd/commits/master | 14:47 |
| zeq1 | freemangordon: btw, working on the toolchain... but I'm only connected via cell (away for the weekend) | 14:48 |
| freemangordon | zeq1: thats great, take your time | 14:48 |
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| zeq1 | freemangordon: I guess I didn't see the update because I had already manually installed | 14:49 |
| freemangordon | most probably | 14:49 |
| zeq1 | or I don't have the repo enabled... ?? possible... | 14:50 |
| zeq1 | wife's working through n900 wifi hotspot so I'm not going to check right away ;) | 14:51 |
| zeq1 | reception here is very poor | 14:52 |
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| LjL-Alps | zeq1: assuming an ad-hoc wireless device can be called "hotspot" ;( | 15:07 |
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| zeq1 | LjL-Alps: true, but short of having AP firmware it's the best I can do. It works okay. (I'm actually connected via USB/ModemManager) | 15:08 |
| zeq1 | Normally, I'd share the connection via blutooth BNEP, but my wifes laptop has Windows7 and no admin rights. (Work laptop) | 15:09 |
| LjL-Alps | zeq1: i actually still think it's possible to do AP without a firmware change, but i guess i should speak when i've actually got it to work :P | 15:09 |
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| zeq1 | LjL-Alps: only if the existing firmware supports AP mode | 15:10 |
| zeq1 | does it? I assumed it doesn't simply by the lack of an AP based hotspot app | 15:11 |
| LjL-Alps | zeq1: it doesn't, but it supports monitor mode, and from monitor mode, you can - with the right software - simulate the kind of device you like, according to my understanding | 15:11 |
| zeq1 | interesting | 15:11 |
| LjL-Alps | zeq1: i've actually already got it to broadcast something that my other devices recognized as an AP - i'm currently stuck at letting it work with WPA2 | 15:11 |
| zeq1 | using supplicant? | 15:12 |
| zeq1 | I've never looked too closely at the available APIs | 15:12 |
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| zeq1 | I'm qutie happy with dbus based automatic bluetooth/usb networking | 15:13 |
| LjL-Alps | zeq1: yeah. wpa_supplicant for the encryption, and airbase-ng to "simulate" an AP. they may not play well together. besides, i have zero knowledge about the wpa_supplicant.conf syntax. going to try again now | 15:13 |
| LjL-Alps | zeq1: that wouldn't be very useful for me, here we have 4 computers all using my 3G connection | 15:14 |
| zeq1 | no problem with bnep and 4 computers as long as they have bluetooth :) | 15:14 |
| LjL-Alps | it's not going to be very fast though, i assume | 15:14 |
| zeq1 | 3G maxes out at 7Mbs anyway | 15:15 |
| zeq1 | It would be nice to have a proper wifi AP though | 15:16 |
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| zeq1 | Bluetooth uses much less power however | 15:16 |
| LjL-Alps | zeq1: 3G does, HDSPA goes faster than that | 15:16 |
| LjL-Alps | yeah for wifi AP one *definitely* needs to keep the phone plugged in, and even then, my phone doesn't really get enough power from the wall brick much of the time | 15:16 |
| zeq1 | LTE does. I've never seen more than 7mbs from 3g | 15:16 |
| zeq1 | HDSPA | 15:16 |
| LjL-Alps | zeq1: well, Wikipedia says: Current HSDPA deployments support down-link speeds of up to 42 Mbit/s. Further speed increases are available with HSPA+, which provides speeds of up to 337 Mbit/s with Release 11 of the 3GPP standards. | 15:17 |
| zeq1 | I'm pretty sure that's LTE aka 4G | 15:17 |
| zeq1 | (yes 4G is really 3G ;) ) | 15:18 |
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| LjL-Alps | uh | 15:19 |
| zeq1 | on my connection here according to speedtest I only get 2.2 down and 1.5 up (rural location) | 15:19 |
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| LjL-Alps | well you can't base it on a single cell's reception, networks have widely varying cell ability. anyway HSDPA is what the N900 calls "3.5G", and i'm pretty sure it's not LTE, which is an entirely different and incompatible standard | 15:20 |
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| zeq1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Term_Evolution | 15:20 |
| zeq1 | yes, N900 only does up to HSDPA | 15:21 |
| LjL-Alps | "... using a different radio interface ..." | 15:21 |
| LjL-Alps | yes, and HSDPA is the one that goes at 43Mbps :P | 15:21 |
| LjL-Alps | 2* | 15:21 |
| LjL-Alps | at least it can in theory | 15:21 |
| zeq1 | about 4G, see the wikipedia page above | 15:22 |
| LjL-Alps | i have. | 15:22 |
| LjL-Alps | that was a quotation from it | 15:22 |
| jon_y | I can't even get 10Mbit out of wired internet | 15:22 |
| jon_y | wireless sounds like a lie too good to be true | 15:23 |
| LjL-Alps | it also says "The LTE wireless interface is incompatible with 2G and 3G networks, so that it must be operated on a separate wireless spectrum." | 15:23 |
| LjL-Alps | so i don't see how it can "really be 3G" | 15:23 |
| zeq1 | LjL-Alps: ah okay :$ | 15:23 |
| LjL-Alps | it's not even transmitted on the same frequencies | 15:23 |
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| zeq1 | because 3G is about the protocol/standards not the frequencies | 15:24 |
| zeq1 | jon_y: wired ethernet on an n900? | 15:25 |
| jon_y | zeq1: on my PC | 15:25 |
| LjL-Alps | yes well the protocol is entirely different too | 15:25 |
| zeq1 | LjL-Alps: different countries use different frequencies anyway | 15:25 |
| LjL-Alps | LTE doesn't even natively support voicecalls | 15:25 |
| jon_y | multiply that with a million others devices/tablets | 15:25 |
| jon_y | sounds like something too good to be true | 15:25 |
| zeq1 | LjL-Alps: voice has indeed been dropped | 15:25 |
| LjL-Alps | seriously, it doesn't even use WCMDA, it has literally nothing in common with UMTS | 15:26 |
| zeq1 | LjL-Alps: communication technoligies are very layered | 15:26 |
| jon_y | designed by committee | 15:27 |
| zeq1 | upper level protocols are interchangeable without affecting the lower levels | 15:27 |
| zeq1 | jon_y: I get ~800Mbs on my ethernet at home | 15:27 |
| jon_y | zeq1: yeah, that kind of insane speeds I can't imagine | 15:28 |
| LjL-Alps | zeq1: ok and i'm telling you most layers are different. maybe the upper couple of layers are similar, but then, you'd have to define me "3G": if "3G" is UMTS, then LTE is definitely not UMTS; if 3G is "short for third Generation, is the third generation of mobile telecommunications technology", as according to Wikipedia, then by definition, 4G is not 3G | 15:28 |
| zeq1 | LjL-Alps: the wiki page opens with "LTE is a standard for wireless data communications technology and an evolution of the GSM/UMTS standards." speaks for itself I think. | 15:28 |
| jon_y | Netflix and streaming actually makes sense there | 15:28 |
| zeq1 | I'm only going by what 3GPP says | 15:29 |
| jon_y | zeq1: do you get a routable IP address? | 15:29 |
| zeq1 | "Although marketed as a 4G wireless service, LTE (as specified in the 3GPP Release 8 and 9 document series) does not satisfy the technical requirements the 3GPP consortium has adopted for its new standard generation, and which were originally set forth by the ITU-R organization in its IMT-Advanced specification." | 15:29 |
| jon_y | NAT everywhere for anything fiber | 15:30 |
| zeq1 | jon_y: with what? | 15:30 |
| jon_y | your 800mbit internet connection | 15:30 |
| zeq1 | I only have a 50Mbit internet connection, my internal network is Gbit | 15:30 |
| jon_y | I wouldn't be surprised my next option has 2 layers of NAT | 15:31 |
| jon_y | oh ok 50Mbit | 15:31 |
| jon_y | also, the sales people have no idea what NAT is | 15:31 |
| zeq1 | I have an effectively routable IP address (technically not, but it only has changed once in 5 years) | 15:31 |
| jon_y | so I can't even move to something that is not my crappy DSL | 15:32 |
| jon_y | what do you mean effectively routable? | 15:32 |
| jon_y | bridge mode is the only way to go on DSL | 15:32 |
| zeq1 | I have only 1 external IPv4 address, but I have an IPv6 tunnel ;) | 15:33 |
| jon_y | I too have IPv6 tunnel, over 6TO4 | 15:33 |
| jon_y | public 6TO4 | 15:33 |
| LjL-Alps | zeq1: the EeePC i'm typing from is an IBM compatible computer, yet it's certainly not the same "generation" as the IBM PC, and this isn't even an accurate analogy, because this *is* compatible with the IBM PC, while LTE is *not* compatible with GSM/UMTS (phones need to be dual-mode, or LTE-only). i suggest you check the Wikipedia parapgraphs i quoted, too, for things that speak for themselves. | 15:33 |
| zeq1 | I need to go walk my dog, I'll be back later (wife nagging) | 15:34 |
| jon_y | so NAT'ed ipv4 but routable ipv6? | 15:34 |
| zeq1 | yes | 15:34 |
| jon_y | ah ok, I wish my ISP supported ipv6 | 15:35 |
| zeq1 | but I also use IPv4 address as a public address with a DNS server running on it... | 15:35 |
| jon_y | again, sales people go "huh? what's IP?" | 15:35 |
| jon_y | they keep telling you the virtues of moving to fiber though | 15:36 |
| zeq1 | http://ip6.nl/#!snewbury.org.uk | 15:36 |
| zeq1 | bbl | 15:36 |
| jon_y | cool website | 15:36 |
| jon_y | little known fact, 6TO4 works on any ipv4 addressed device | 15:37 |
| jon_y | as long as it is publicly routable address | 15:37 |
| jon_y | this fact seems to escape most sales people | 15:38 |
| zeq1 | shame my services are down right now due to hdd failure :( | 15:40 |
| LjL-Alps | hdd failures :( | 15:40 |
| zeq1 | insufficient cooling :( | 15:41 |
| zeq1 | anyway, off now... | 15:41 |
| * LjL-Alps is kind of surprised there are so few [working] SUPL servers known to be available, and that SUPL itself is so obscure a thing | 15:41 | |
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| LjL-Alps | why can't, say, OpenCellID offer a SUPL server? | 15:42 |
| LjL-Alps | or for that matter, can't we "inject" locations into Maemo, so that things like cellnet-info could actually be providers of coarse location? | 15:43 |
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| zeq1 | LjL-Alps: it's probably due to the amount of traffic a SUPL server would receive given there are so few of them. | 15:52 |
| r00t|home | given the privacy concerns, an open supl server would be an interesting project tho' | 15:58 |
| zeq1 | LjL-Alps: Just reading: http://www.gmat.unsw.edu.au/snap/publications/lib_etal2010c.pdf | 15:59 |
| zeq1 | It should definitely be possible to utilize GSM information | 15:59 |
| zeq1 | possible != easy | 16:01 |
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| zeq1 | is there a public library/API for accessing the GSM modem on Maemo? | 16:16 |
| Hurrian | ofono. | 16:17 |
| zeq1 | Hurrian: and that has access to location information/GPS Control Plane? | 16:18 |
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| Hurrian | zeq1: you can read out gps, sure, but the protocol's closed. | 16:18 |
| zeq1 | Hurrian: I mean for getting network a-gps data | 16:19 |
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| Hurrian | zeq1: haven't played around with agps, sorry. | 16:20 |
| zeq1 | I assume the n900 doesn't currently do a-gps other than via SUPL? | 16:20 |
| Hurrian | yes, AGPS is provided by supl. | 16:20 |
| zeq1 | *other than* | 16:21 |
| Hurrian | only toyed around with the phone control part so far. | 16:21 |
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| zeq1 | GSM also provides a-gps data | 16:21 |
| zeq1 | (but only if implemented) | 16:21 |
| LjL-Alps | zeq1: that's interesting. those guys seem to use a protocol called GRIP instead of SUPL, though. if we found an open source SUPL server (i know there is something called "supl-proxy" that may be adapted, maybe), we could probably run the SUPL server directly on the N900, and get its info from OpenCellID | 16:22 |
| LjL-Alps | as to privacy concerns, i'd honestly rather communicate with an open, non-profit server than Nokia or Google ;) | 16:23 |
| LjL-Alps | i don't think network-assisted GPS is very common at all in Europe, i'm under the impression it's much more common in the US with CDMA (actually, iirc CDMA cells just directly broadcast their latitude and longitude, which is quite something) | 16:24 |
| zeq1 | yes, we know, they know where we are ;) | 16:24 |
| LjL-Alps | but i may very well be wrong | 16:24 |
| LjL-Alps | i mean network-assisted as in non-SUPL | 16:24 |
| LjL-Alps | my cssu-devel battery applet has gone crazy, i had 1000mah left out of 5mah :P | 16:25 |
| LjL-Alps | no wonder it's 100% | 16:25 |
| zeq1 | LjL-Alps: I honestly don't know, I just had my interested piqued so did a quick googling | 16:25 |
| zeq1 | "4G" should have location support to (doesn't help N900 though) | 16:26 |
| zeq1 | *too | 16:26 |
| zeq1 | http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=stTSHdFhrFUC&pg=PA280&lpg=PA280&dq=a-gps+control+plane+UMTS&source=bl&ots=z7PgWGndQk&sig=QTX3K2OPXXUA67eCi4I0KhF5ydM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=JO4EUpLlC8nY7AbltoCYAg&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=a-gps%20control%20plane%20UMTS&f=false | 16:27 |
| zeq1 | TS25.331 | 16:28 |
| zeq1 | for UMTS and TS44.031 for GSM | 16:30 |
| zeq1 | of course it may not be widely deployed? | 16:31 |
| zeq1 | http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/149000_149099/149031/09.00.00_60/ts_149031v090000p.pdf | 16:33 |
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| LjL-Alps | i've got too many things i'm playing with on my new N900, i should pick one and concentrate on it :P or at least write the list down 'cause i keep forgetting | 16:52 |
| zeq1 | I've just got too many things to do.. :P | 16:54 |
| lexik | I know that feeling :D But thats normal... in my case: DOSBox, PyBrain/FANN/other neural networks stuff, Arch Linux, Gentoo, NITDroid and finally the broken USB port (still waiting for my microUSB ports from dx.com) | 16:56 |
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| lexik | Oh yeah and qemu, n2n and GPIO fun (IR night vision :D) | 16:58 |
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| LjL-Alps | i hope my USB port survives for a while, i have no idea about soldering and such stuff | 17:03 |
| LjL-Alps | i have a USB cable with very loose "clamps", that hopefully won't put too much of a strain on the port when removing | 17:03 |
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| r00t|home | the main problem is not removing, but the phone dropping off your desk with the charger connected ;) | 17:06 |
| lexik | the broken usb is now not a big problem for me (2 batteries and external charger) but im scared about reflash :D (that means no crazy uboot/alternative systems stuff :-/).. so only things i can do with my glorious n900 now is smsing/phoning/browsing and finaly the python coding | 17:07 |
| lexik | in other words: nothing interesting :D | 17:08 |
| LjL-Alps | heh, funny, i can tune the N900's FM receiver to the N900's FM transmitter, and see the RDS info from it :P | 17:09 |
| lexik | in something two weeks i expect the usb's from dx so i will try my soldering skills (it is going to be funny - but not for me) | 17:09 |
| lexik | * in two weeks -- -1* something | 17:10 |
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| zeq1 | lexik: you're very unlikely (or unlucky) to have a problem flashing | 17:15 |
| zeq1 | it's all pretty well tested by now | 17:16 |
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| kerio | LjL-Alps: :D | 17:20 |
| kerio | shame there's no good way to set the rds info | 17:21 |
| kerio | is there? | 17:21 |
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| LjL-Alps | kerio: uh, i thought there was, i have an RDS widget installed that's supposed to show you callers' names on the radio. i haven't actually tested it since my car radio seems to be N900-proof, and my home radio has no RDS | 17:47 |
| LjL-Alps | kerio: still, find /sys | grep rds shows a few things. apparently no "raw" RDS interface though, to send AF signals or other stuff | 17:47 |
| kerio | neato | 17:47 |
| ecc3g | cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063/rds_ps_name ? | 17:47 |
| kerio | i meant UI-wise | 17:47 |
| kerio | the last time i heard, there was something that kept resetting the station name to NOKIA | 17:48 |
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| jon_y | Nokia thought it would make a nice ad :) | 17:48 |
| LjL-Alps | kerio: that's possible, it did show "Nokia" on FMRadio even though i had told FMRDSWidget (or whatever it's called) to show something else | 17:49 |
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| kerio | you just have to keep hammering on it i think | 17:49 |
| kerio | also, rds also has some "extra info" thing | 17:49 |
| kerio | for song titles and stuff like that | 17:50 |
| kerio | but not many things support it | 17:50 |
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| LjL-Alps | kerio: that can be set i think, it's rds_radio_text | 17:52 |
| LjL-Alps | what would be extra-nice though is this: | 17:52 |
| LjL-Alps | the Nokia keeps monitoring its own tx frequency using the rx (or maybe the TX itself can do it, i read somewhere that the chip can, although it's not done); if it realizes there's too much interference on that frequency, it scans for another free one, and then sends an RDS AF signal to make the car radio switch | 17:53 |
| kerio | in theory, it would work | 17:54 |
| LjL-Alps | but it can't be done if we have no access to the RDS signals like AF | 17:54 |
| LjL-Alps | on an unrelated note: [POLL] KP52 or KCSSU (for Thumb)? | 17:55 |
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| kerio | they're literally the same thing | 17:56 |
| LjL-Alps | oh and if it were possible to send the TP (i think that's what it's called, Traffic Program) signal, we could make CD/tape playback interrupt itself when a call is incoming | 17:56 |
| kerio | that, too, would be neato | 17:56 |
| kerio | otoh | 17:56 |
| LjL-Alps | kerum: uhm, are they? i was reading some wiki page listing patches that were taken out of KCSSU... also, if i reboot from KP into KCSSU, things go awry and i have to remove the battery | 17:57 |
| kerio | why aren't you listening to your n900's music playback? | 17:57 |
| kerio | install kcssu's modules i guess | 17:57 |
| LjL-Alps | kerio: heh | 17:57 |
| freemangordon | LjL-Alps: kerio: for RDS, AF, TP and such, we only need to tweak fmtx kernel module | 17:58 |
| freemangordon | and export different sysfs nodes | 17:58 |
| kerio | isn't it a userland daemon? | 17:58 |
| LjL-Alps | on the RX side, it would be nice if we could receive TMC (the car traffic info), and use it with some maps program | 17:58 |
| kerio | or is that just for audio? | 17:58 |
| freemangordon | BUT!!! | 17:58 |
| LjL-Alps | freemangordon: that's closed-source though right? | 17:58 |
| kerio | LjL-Alps: we've got the internet now | 17:58 |
| kerio | stop trying to make radio happen | 17:59 |
| kerio | it ain't gonna happen | 17:59 |
| LjL-Alps | kerio: heh | 17:59 |
| freemangordon | we deiscussed once the "NOKIA" thingie | 17:59 |
| freemangordon | and it seems it is illegal in Europe to have RDS changing the text | 17:59 |
| LjL-Alps | kerio: seriously though... there's literally no "free" traffic info available (aside from Waze, which is closed-source now and we only have an old version) | 17:59 |
| kerio | freemangordon: wat | 17:59 |
| LjL-Alps | freemangordon: uuuh? | 17:59 |
| freemangordon | and we decided that for safety we'll keep it that way | 17:59 |
| kerio | italy's public radio stations do it | 18:00 |
| freemangordon | reading while driving isn;t the safest way to drive ;) | 18:00 |
| freemangordon | kerio: they do it here too, , so what? | 18:00 |
| kerio | so yeah, it's not a european thing | 18:00 |
| freemangordon | it is | 18:00 |
| LjL-Alps | freemangordon: also wait, what does that mean, that my FMRDS widget won't actually work, and that neither will the N900's player show the song's name like the sysfs things would indicate? | 18:00 |
| freemangordon | they just don;t obey the rules | 18:00 |
| kerio | *what* is illegal, exactly? | 18:00 |
| freemangordon | LjL-Alps: it will almost work | 18:01 |
| kerio | LjL-Alps: to be fair, rds station name is an awful way to display the title of a song | 18:01 |
| kerio | you only have like 8 characters | 18:01 |
| LjL-Alps | kerio: well, it can be made to scroll | 18:01 |
| freemangordon | LjL-Alps: wanna some Qt code doing that? | 18:01 |
| kerio | which looks awful with a non-monospaced font | 18:01 |
| freemangordon | (written by me) | 18:01 |
| kerio | freemangordon: i vote cssu ships a tweaked module that displays "PENIS" instead of "NOKIA" | 18:01 |
| kerio | you can just hexedit it, too! | 18:02 |
| LjL-Alps | freemangordon, i have no clue yet how to cross-compile anything for Maemo, and as of now i'm on capped 3G so couldn't even download a toolchain | 18:02 |
| freemangordon | LjL-Alps: it listen to mafw, displays "Maemo FM" instead of "Nokia", etc | 18:02 |
| freemangordon | LjL-Alps: you can do the same in python | 18:02 |
| freemangordon | and use Qt code as an example | 18:03 |
| freemangordon | what to do, as it is a bit tricky | 18:03 |
| LjL-Alps | freemangordon: the FMRDS widget is supposed to display "Maemo FM" too by default, are you sure its author didn't use your code initially | 18:03 |
| freemangordon | yes | 18:03 |
| freemangordon | I wrote it because FMRDS widget doesn't war as intended on >=PR1.3 | 18:03 |
| freemangordon | *work | 18:03 |
| LjL-Alps | ah, i see | 18:04 |
| LjL-Alps | well sure, send away. i should get my RTLSDR to work on this computer so i can actually see RDS data | 18:04 |
| freemangordon | and "Maemo FM" was what was visible on <=PR1.2 | 18:04 |
| LjL-Alps | do any of you have an RTLSDR dongle? | 18:04 |
| freemangordon | or 1.1, can;t remember | 18:04 |
| LjL-Alps | freemangordon: one thing, if it's illegal in *Europe*, won't changing "region" in sysfs override it? (although i have no idea which regions 1-2-3-4-5 correspond to) | 18:06 |
| freemangordon | I guess no, it is hardcoded afaik | 18:07 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Wait "Maemo FM"? I have never seen this, only "Nokia" | 18:08 |
| freemangordon | seems you're to young for that :P | 18:09 |
| freemangordon | *too | 18:09 |
| LjL-Alps | i'm youngest | 18:09 |
| LjL-Alps | my N900 is like two weeks old! | 18:09 |
| freemangordon | LjL-Alps: http://merlin1991.at/~freemangordon/fmrds.zip | 18:09 |
| freemangordon | it includes compiled binary too | 18:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I was looking for a why to change this from Nokia permanently but gave up. | 18:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | s/why/way/ | 18:10 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: look at the zip ^^^ | 18:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | young! I have had one since 2010 | 18:11 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: weird, Nokia changed that in PR1.2 or 1.3 | 18:12 |
| freemangordon | hmm, maybe it was in 1.2 | 18:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I remember updating to PR1.2 weeks after getting it TBH | 18:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | So what is this "zip" a qt package? | 18:14 |
| freemangordon | qt project | 18:14 |
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| freemangordon | which displays the currently playing song on your radio display | 18:14 |
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| LjL-Alps | freemangordon: thanks, had a look, but i don't think i understand what the key "trick" is, as far as i can understand, you're sending a few dbus fmtx requests, giving them some massaged text | 18:15 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: along woth "Maemo FM" | 18:15 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Well since CSSU I have had next playing song on the second line of RDS text IIRC | 18:15 |
| freemangordon | LjL-Alps: the key is that you listen to fmtx dbus service "Changed" signal | 18:16 |
| LjL-Alps | freemangordon: ah, to change it back immediately? | 18:16 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 18:16 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: well, my BMW Business radio has only one line | 18:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I just wish to be able to stop the top line from reverting to Nokia after I change it with fmtx_client | 18:16 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: then ^^^ will do the job for you, you'll need to tweak it a bit ofc | 18:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | One line RDS on a beamer WTF? ;) | 18:17 |
| freemangordon | yep, it is stock Business Radio | 18:17 |
| freemangordon | and my car is not the last X6 ;) | 18:17 |
| LjL-Alps | apparently someone has written a TMC-capable driver for the N900's RX | 18:18 |
| freemangordon | *latest | 18:18 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I will have a play thanks. | 18:18 |
| LjL-Alps | well, not specifically TMC-capable, just something that lets you look at the raw RDS stream | 18:18 |
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| freemangordon | LjL-Alps: check the stuff in /sys, there are lots of things there | 18:18 |
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| LjL-Alps | freemangordon: i saw there are many things for the tx, but had thought the rx was only usable through dbus. i'll look better | 18:19 |
| freemangordon | LjL-Alps: AIUI dbus end in /sys :) | 18:19 |
| freemangordon | *ends | 18:19 |
| freemangordon | though it was some time ago I last played with rx/tx, so I might be wrong | 18:20 |
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| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: BTW how's promotion going, I saw not many interested in your thread :( | 18:21 |
| LjL-Alps | one funny thing i found in sys about the TX was an "antenna_capacitor" parameter, that apparently depends on the tuned frequency, and if you change it to something not good for that frequency, signal gets worse | 18:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: lots of thanks so people are interested. | 18:22 |
| freemangordon | LjL-Alps: apparently you should leave that to "auto" :P | 18:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Also nicolai has pushed connectagram through to testing so it is working. | 18:23 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: hmm, ok, I hope you're right | 18:23 |
| freemangordon | nice | 18:23 |
| LjL-Alps | freemangordon: yep, it seems the driver makes the best choice. still funny :P | 18:23 |
| sixwheeledbeast | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/connectagram/1.0.1maemo0-1/ #maemo PLEASE QA and VOTE | 18:23 |
| freemangordon | LjL-Alps: no, it is the chip itself that does it iird | 18:24 |
| freemangordon | *iirc | 18:24 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: if all stays quiet. I may feature a package I have tested in that thread each week or something. Did you see that some of the testing queue were already in extras too. | 18:29 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: both in the queue and in extras? | 18:29 |
| freemangordon | I guess those in the queue are newer versions | 18:30 |
| sixwheeledbeast | correct see logs from 30 minutes after you went to bed last night, exact same package. | 18:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast | qwazix and I found some. | 18:31 |
| freemangordon | ~logs | 18:31 |
| freemangordon | ~log | 18:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast | bot missing? | 18:31 |
| freemangordon | ~rape infobot | 18:31 |
| freemangordon | dead | 18:31 |
| freemangordon | ~ping | 18:31 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer51: she is dead | 18:32 |
| sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-08-09.log.html#t2013-08-09T01:01:02 | 18:32 |
| freemangordon | thanks | 18:32 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: oh, I see, another DB mess :( | 18:33 |
| freemangordon | it is sorted out now, correct? | 18:33 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | yep, sorted ;) | 18:42 |
| freemangordon | good | 18:42 |
| freemangordon | anyway, i have to run | 18:42 |
| freemangordon | night | 18:43 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | o/ | 18:44 |
| brolin_empey | freemangordon: Or morning in the Pacific Time Zone. ;-) | 18:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Or afternoon if UTC ;) | 18:46 |
| freemangordon | ~ugt | 18:47 |
| Lava_Croft | or just say whatever it is at your place and expect any other IRC user to not make note of his different timezone | 18:48 |
| Lava_Croft | but since most people lack that common sense, nerds had to invent UGT | 18:48 |
| * brolin_empey is reminded of the amibiosornot Web site. | 18:51 | |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ugt was to stop noise from making note of his/her's different timezone. | 19:00 |
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| LjL-Alps | is the bluetooth/fmrx module supposed to be called "bcm2048" or "radio_bcm2048"? i have the latter with KP52 and KCSSU, but only some fm radio programs work (C FM Radio i think) | 19:13 |
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| LjL-Alps | uhm also is /dev/radio0 on your devices the transmitter or the receiver? for me (right now at least) radio0 is the transmitter, but it seems not to match some source code i have | 19:25 |
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| LjL-Alps | uhm just double checking, there isn't an official or otherwise sleek car mount for the N900, is there | 20:23 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | LjL-Alps: sleek? | 20:31 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | What car? | 20:34 |
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| LjL-Alps | sixwheeledbeast^: sleek as in, suited for the specific phones. there are "universal" car holders, but they're typically very large and have to be "set up". (any car, i mean just a suction cup holder) | 20:41 |
| LjL-Alps | my Motorola Milestone's car holder is the best. the phone just clicks into it | 20:41 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | I have a friend with a skoda A-pillar mount for N900 but I am not sure how that works for different cars. | 20:41 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | LjL-Alps: He has the slight issue of the mount hitting the power button due to it's "sleek" design. momplz and I'll ask him. | 20:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | He believes it's a Brodit Pro-clip with extra bits to suit Skoda A pillar. | 20:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | you can have the keyboard open too if there's clearance. | 20:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | but auxillary covers have to be removed to slide it into the holder | 20:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | found it http://www.dsldevelopments.com/brodit/holder/Nokia+N900-Brodit-Holder.asp | 20:52 |
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| LjL-Alps | sixwheeledbeast^: uhm, not sure which brodit, the ones i see on google are still pretty bulky. the one my phone has is like this http://www.droidforums.net/pics/motorola-droid-holder-gps.png - i guess one could always do what's been done here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=762044 | 20:55 |
| Lava_Croft | damn, i need a N900 holder like that for my bicycle | 20:56 |
| Lava_Croft | the one swb linked | 20:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | As I say it seems to catch the power button on insertion, other than that my friend is happy with it. | 20:58 |
| Lava_Croft | i now use icecream box carton and a lot of ductape | 20:58 |
| Lava_Croft | :P | 20:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | 500ml plastic bottle not work? | 20:59 |
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| Lava_Croft | i use carton to fold a good shape and tape to strengthen | 20:59 |
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| Lava_Croft | usually lasts over a year before the adhesive on the metal dissolves | 20:59 |
| Lava_Croft | ill link a pic soon, too lazy to find it on this tiny screen:) | 21:00 |
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| LjL-Alps | oh neat there's a newer version of Waze on google code | 22:14 |
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| LjL-Alps | hey, try using FCamera with the "flash led always on" option, and putting your finger on the LED (but careful, it might be kinda hot), only pressing slightly... you'll immediately understand how "heartrate" apps work, by either looking at the pulsating colors, or at the changing histogram | 22:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Funky | 22:41 |
| SpeedEvil | LjL-Alps: Also: | 22:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://gizmodo.com/5994798/your-web-cam-can-see-your-heart-rate-which-isnt-creepy-at-all | 22:41 |
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| RzR | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1366122#post1366122 Where to find a mirror of #scratchbox /debian/dists/harmattan/main/binary-armel ? #HarmattanDev #N950club #MeeGo #n9 | 23:08 |
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| RzR | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1366122#post1366122 Where to find a mirror of #scratchbox /debian/dists/harmattan/main/binary-armel ? #HarmattanDev #N950club #MeeGo #n9 | 23:10 |
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| LjL-Alps | SpeedEvil: ah yeah, the new Kinect too can sense your heartrate i think | 23:33 |
| LjL-Alps | SpeedEvil: and for Android there's an app that does it, but i don't have a front camera so it won't work for me (also, slow) | 23:34 |
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| LjL-Alps | i'm sure it could be done with the N900's front camera... i mean, it's not like it's dark at all :P | 23:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | It should also be doable quite easily with broadcast or streaming video | 23:34 |
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| LjL-Alps | SpeedEvil: yeah, that part *is* creepy | 23:37 |
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| LjL-Alps | SpeedEvil: especially when you check out the article linked *from* the one you linked to, which gives an example of "amplifying" a blush :P | 23:37 |
| SpeedEvil | You can also get oxygen saturation, and breathing rate. | 23:38 |
| LjL-Alps | it's funny how the N900 has so many potential methods - GSM network, NTP, GPS, FM RDS - to determine the correct time, but still has to ask you whenever you swap the battery :P | 23:39 |
| LjL-Alps | SpeedEvil: breathing rate yeah, the Android app does that - but oxygen saturation? i thought that required watching two frequencies one of which probably had to be infrared | 23:39 |
| SpeedEvil | You can pick it up somewhat as I understand it - it depends on skin tone | 23:40 |
| LjL-Alps | SpeedEvil: actually the reason i tested this on the N900 at all was because i suspected its white+red LED combo might allow it to be used as a pulse oxymeter | 23:40 |
| SpeedEvil | White LEDs typically have zero output in IR | 23:40 |
| LjL-Alps | (as opposed to just heart rate monitor, which is obviously doable) | 23:40 |
| LjL-Alps | SpeedEvil: well but what about the red LED? you know, the "privacy" led that lights up when recording a video | 23:41 |
| SpeedEvil | That will just be red | 23:41 |
| LjL-Alps | SpeedEvil: besides, i'm not really sure you need IR, maybe you just need two different-enough frequencies | 23:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Again - those are pretty narrowband | 23:41 |
| SpeedEvil | The CIR transmitter in principle might work - I can't remember where that is | 23:41 |
| LjL-Alps | SpeedEvil: it's kind of in the wrong place, near the camera button | 23:42 |
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