IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2013-07-24

GogoPogonone seems to fret about the formats so I suppose it's an easy conversion to be done from .xml do .dat00:00
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GogoPogobtw I'm currently downloading the .xml dump you Doc linked to me before and see if it works00:05
GogoPogoI keep searching the web for a solution in the meantime00:05
DocScrutinizer05o7ywswbut the wiki dump isn't zip files19:3400:06
DocScrutinizer05o7ywswit is .idx and .dat files.......19:3500:06
DocScrutinizer05o7ywswwhat's the deal00:06
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GogoPogoI read it00:06
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DocScrutinizer05I can't find any reference to .idx and .dat on
GogoPogonor did I, that's why I suppose it's a problem that can be solved easily, or at least I hope00:07
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DocScrutinizer05o7ywsw claimed the downloads consisted of .idx and .dat files in 201000:10
DocScrutinizer05I don't get it00:11
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GogoPogoI can't understand Evopedia's choice00:11
GogoPogoeverything I come across regarding wikis dumps talks about xml00:12
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GogoPogozip -1 wikipedia_"$LANG"_"$dumpdate".zip *.idx *.dat metadata.txt00:13
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GogoPogoI can't work out anything useful from the code.. do you?00:15
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GogoPogowikimedia dumps come in static html format too, one file for each article and no .xml, only and index.html file00:21
GogoPogoI guess they would be good too, Evopedia start the browser on local host to the port 8080 and grabs the data from the databases. Plain html should be no hard to open but I fear it will mess up the wikis index inside the application00:23
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win7macare there any HW-restraints against Linux-compatible Laptops, like graphics or smth.?00:24
win7mac...eSATA, FW etc?00:24
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DocScrutinizer05yes, they are downloading the xml.gz and sql.gz files (line 12 .. 18), then at some place import stuff to a mysql db, and then there's also that magical grep -v '<redirect />' | "$SCRIPTDIR"/xml2sql -o "$IMPORTTEMPDIR" -v00:25
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DocScrutinizer05 $LIBDIR/ --convert "$DESTDUMPTEMPDIR/$LANG/" "$dumpdate" "$LANG" "http://$"00:30
GogoPogoyeah I saw that but how can it help?00:30
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win7macI want to set up an affordable (used) dualboot Win7/Linux Laptop with decent HW. I like the Lenovos, but they're too expensive new00:31
DocScrutinizer05it seems this creates the .idx and .dat files?00:31
GogoPogoyes I'm looking for it00:31
GogoPogowin7mac: this is not a desktop computer channel, sorry..00:32
FIQ|n900just got python issue again00:32
FIQ|n900so it wasn't bp-related00:32
FIQ|n900so I just took a look into pymaemo-optify00:32
FIQ|n900and rcS-late respectively00:32
FIQ|n900it seems like pymaemo-optify creates 3 relevant files (and some documents in /usr/share/doc)00:33
FIQ|n900one in /etc/default containing configuration (the directores being bindmounted and where the mount actually is)00:34
HRH_H_Crabhi all, not specifically a maemo question, but has anyone here used this: ?00:34
SiceloHRH_H_Crab: i have00:34
FIQ|n900one in /etc/event.d which starts a daemon (py-optifying is done by a daemon script..?)00:34
HRH_H_CrabSicelo: did you manage to get wifi working?00:34
Siceloeverything, even gprs :P00:34
HRH_H_Crabi am using wpa-ssid <blah>00:35
HRH_H_Crabwpa-psk <blah>00:35
HRH_H_Crabbut the little blighter just doesnt seem to want to associate00:35
HRH_H_Crabnot sure what i might be missing00:35
Siceloanyway, that's deprecated now.. you're better off with a newer kernel, eg Nemo kernel00:35
Siceloyou have the firmware in the right place?00:36
HRH_H_Crabthe device is there00:36
HRH_H_Crabi have wlan0 phonet0 all that jazz00:36
FIQ|n900so let's see here00:36
HRH_H_Crabi just cant seem to write an /etc/network/interfaces that works00:37
HRH_H_Crabive not tried that00:37
Siceloyou can't use wpa-ssid, wpa-psk if you don't have supplicant00:38
HRH_H_Crabit works fine on my zaurus'es00:38
Sicelowell, i'm no expert.. at least that's how i understood it.00:38
Siceloyou absolutely sure your Zauruses don't have supplicant? maybe was bundled ..00:39
DocScrutinizer05GogoPogo:  sounds good, eh?00:39
HRH_H_CrabSicelo: yeah00:40
FIQ|n900grep -q " $d " /proc/mounts || mount --bind $OPT_DIR/$d $d - this is how the mounting works, i.e. it first checks if they're already mounted and if grep exits with errors (i.e. it isn't), mounts it00:40
HRH_H_Crabi installed debian on them using debootstrap00:40
FIQ|n900there doesn't seem to be any issues with this00:40
HRH_H_Crabive tried using wpasupplicant before00:40
GogoPogoDocScrutinizer05: it does... can you run it?00:40
DocScrutinizer05haven't tried yet00:41
HRH_H_Craband ive always found it to be one of the most horrific programs ive ever used00:41
FIQ|n900unless /home is mounted *after* this script run00:41
HRH_H_Crabbut maybe this is a good opportunity to try and get to grips with it00:41
HRH_H_Crabwhen i feel i can stomach it00:41
HRH_H_Crabis it what you used when you set up wifi on your n900 on deb?00:41
DocScrutinizer05GogoPogo: but for all I can tell it seems to me evopedia actively tries to dwonload whatever it needs to duplicate the whole wiki db in a local mysql00:42
FIQ|n900this could potentially be the issue00:42
SiceloHRH_H_Crab: i believe so.. i followed all those steps to the letter.00:42
DocScrutinizer05it doesn't need you to download any huge files manually00:42
FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: I thought of altering that line in python mount scripts slightly00:42
GogoPogoI don't get it, what's the advantage with it?00:44
FIQ|n900grep -q " $d " /proc/mounts || mount --bind $OPT_DIR/$d $d 2>/home/user/pymounts_failed00:44
FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: would this do what I want?00:44
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FIQ|n900i.e. send any eventual errors with the mount to pymounts_failed as text00:44
SiceloHRH_H_Crab: it was over a year ago.. so i don't quite remember everything. why don't you try a newer debian with a newer kernel..? or even Arch? Skry made some really great progress there00:44
FIQ|n900or would that script get overwritten in some way?00:45
FIQ|n900or worse, error out and make the issue worse00:45
DocScrutinizer05FIQ|n900: not exactly, use /var/log/00:45
DocScrutinizer05not /home/*00:45
FIQ|n900but other than that?00:46
FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: also00:46
FIQ|n900looked into rcS-late00:46
DocScrutinizer05looks good to me00:46
Siceloand btw HRH_H_Crab, i've never really use supplicant directly.. i just had it because my understanding was that it's needed for wpa* stuff to work in /etc/network/interfaces.. guess i was wrong00:46
HRH_H_Crabno you may be right00:46
FIQ|n900and mounting seems to be done by that script unless part of rootfs and already mounted00:47
DocScrutinizer05also use mount -v(erbose)00:47
FIQ|n900so perhaps it's possible that rcS-late is running too late?00:47
SiceloHRH_H_Crab: did you also create the udev rule as per
DocScrutinizer05you'll learn from /var/log/pymounts_failed00:48
ecc3gok why is my n900 trying to access port 7275 (SUPL?) on ...00:48
FIQ|n900grep -q " $d " /proc/mounts || mount -v --bind $OPT_DIR/$d $d >/var/log/pyoptify_state00:48
FIQ|n900was thinking on settling with this then00:48
DocScrutinizer05add a line   echo "mounting $OPT_DIR/$d" >>>/var/log/pyoptify_state00:49
Siceloecc3g: what supl server do you have configured? and is gps enabled atm?00:49
DocScrutinizer05and you don't want to use >, use >>00:49
DocScrutinizer05add a line   echo "mounting $OPT_DIR/$d" >>/var/log/pyoptify_state00:49
ecc3gI was trying different SUPL servers, and also tried my supl-proxy00:50
DocScrutinizer05set -vx00:50
SiceloHRH_H_Crab: a more recent debian + regualr maemo kernel tutorial is at
DocScrutinizer05exec 2>>/var/log/pyoptify_state 1>&200:51
GogoPogoDocScrutinizer05: should we ask ashley to check out the program?00:51
DocScrutinizer05at start of rcs-late00:51
ecc3gI was trying to get AGPS working but wonderring why I could not get it to reach my proxy...00:51
FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: exec 2 does what?00:51
FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: but ok, I'll do that00:51
Siceloecc3g: and where's the proxy?00:52
DocScrutinizer05GogoPogo: I don't know if he's willing to do that. ask him anyway00:52
ecc3git's not that host :)00:52
GogoPogoDocScrutinizer05: pvt message you mean?00:52
ecc3gtemporarily running the proxy on my server...00:52
DocScrutinizer05FIQ|n900: exec without any parameter is used to redirect any filehandles of the currently running shell interpreter00:53
Sicelofyi, & are broken for N900 :(00:53
DocScrutinizer05set -vx echoes every line as it is executed00:53
ecc3gI'm wondering if this is the SIM-card supplied SUPL server (which, incidentally, that machine is dead)00:53
FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: mhm00:54
DocScrutinizer05exec 1>somefile redirects output to somefile00:54
FIQ|n9002 stderr I guess00:54
FIQ|n900echo "mounting $OPT_DIR/$d" >>>/var/log/pyoptify_state is 3 > here a typo?00:54
FIQ|n900you wrote it before00:54
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FIQ|n900oh makes sense00:55
GogoPogoDocScrutinizer05: do you think we could aim it at and see what it comes up with?00:55
DocScrutinizer05you don't need that anymore, when you redirect output of whole rcS-late00:55
FIQ|n900> overwrites, >> appends, so I assumed it was a typo yes00:55
GogoPogoDocScrutinizer05: I've long since last programmed anything and even though I liked Python a lot I'm not able to help out anymore00:56
DocScrutinizer05but maybe you just want to do that before the interesting part of rcS-late00:56
DocScrutinizer05GogoPogo: sure we can try that00:56
GogoPogoif there's anyway I can help just tell me00:57
GogoPogoany way*00:57
Siceloecc3g: i don't think N900 gets supl server from sim even if it's there..00:57
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DocScrutinizer05FIQ|n900: probably you even rather go with your solution00:58
ecc3gHmm... it's just suspicious, I can't seem to contact my supl proxy at all...00:58
GogoPogoDocScrutinizer05: I may e-mail and ask for their thought, is it ok?00:58
ecc3gwiresharking it...00:58
DocScrutinizer05it's not as bloated as what I suggested (exec)00:58
DocScrutinizer05ask ashley first00:59
Siceloecc3g: no typo maybe?00:59
DocScrutinizer05GogoPogo: ask ashley first00:59
FIQ|n900 rcS-late, pymaemo-optify00:59
FIQ|n900looks good00:59
ecc3gwireshark indicates it is a typo... ha.00:59
FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: hmm but letting rcS-late output may also hint if it's running too early/late00:59
GogoPogoDocScrutinizer05: ok, he's not there anyway00:59
Sicelolol ecc3g01:00
ecc3git doesn't look like a typo in the settings field01:00
FIQ|n900which would explain the issues I've had with the bindmounts01:00
DocScrutinizer05ashley: not here?01:00
FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: unless you see any obvious typos, I'll reboot now.. worst case scenario is I messed up the syntax and maemo doesn't boot, though fixing that would be trivial with bm's root console01:01
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DocScrutinizer05hope so, since otherwise bootloop01:01
Sicelohmm.. now that's strange ecc3g.01:01
DocScrutinizer05I haven't seen obvious typos but I haven't checked thoroughly either01:02
FIQ|n900even if it works fine (the bindmounts), I could still check that script to see whether my modifications worked01:02
ecc3ganyone happen to know what file the SUPL server setting is stored in?01:02
FIQ|n900and if they did, then I know where to look next time it fails01:02
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Sicelo/system/nokia/location/supl <--01:02
Siceloecc3g: ^^01:02
DocScrutinizer05ecc3g: gconftool -R /|less "+/supl" -j 501:03
FIQ|n900[00:01:35] <DocScrutinizer05> hope so, since otherwise bootloop01:03
FIQ|n900bm - root console - remove my edits01:03
FIQ|n900and reboot loop solved01:03
FIQ|n900not too hard really :P01:03
FIQ|n900brb reboot01:03
DocScrutinizer05ecc3g: then hit n01:04
ecc3ggconf looks right01:04
ecc3greboot I guess01:04
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DocScrutinizer05ecc3g: alternatively :   gconftool -R /system/nokia/location01:05
Siceloecc3g: which process is trying to contact that address? netstat...01:05
ecc3gno clue why wireshark indicates something is trying to look up a mangled hostname...01:06
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ecc3gfuuu i need a non-messybox netstat :p01:06
DocScrutinizer05lol, for sure01:07
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, messybox is messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils01:07
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FredrIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: is it normal for mount -v not to output anything on a successful mount?01:08
Sicelowhy couldn't he just install Netstat? there is a standalone pkg01:08
DocScrutinizer05maybe to stadout01:08
FredrIQ|n900I redirected all output01:09
DocScrutinizer05then I dunno01:09
FredrIQ|n900for the mount command01:09
ecc3gI was trying to use supl:7276 notation to try to get it to use another port, but I think that may have fubared something.01:09
Siceloii  netstat        1.60-23maemo1  Non busybox netstat in a small easy to insta01:09
FredrIQ|n900also, my edits seems to have worked fine01:09
DocScrutinizer05also don't forget that's messybox mount01:09
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HRH_H_CrabSicelo: yep i created the udev rule01:09
HRH_H_Crabchecking that doc now01:09
FredrIQ|n900except possibly the edit to the mounting as I dunno if it's supposed to echo anything with -v01:10
HRH_H_Crabbut i may as well just chroot from maemo and get wpasupplicant installed and see what gives...01:10
FredrIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: hm just tried mount -v w/o any parameters01:10
FredrIQ|n900it didn't output anything besides what's given on just "mount"01:10
FredrIQ|n900so no output might be normal then01:10
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: will conflict with messybox01:11
FredrIQ|n900It did output my date which I mostly added to reveal if it was ran before or after rcS-late01:11
Sicelowhat conflicts wit messybox DocScrutinizer05?01:11
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DocScrutinizer05dpkg divert netstat is the solution I guess01:11
FredrIQ|n900(and it appeared at the very bottom - so rcS seems to have been ran first)01:11
FredrIQ|n900So, stuff works, great01:11
FredrIQ|n900now I at least know what to do next time it fails01:12
FredrIQ|n900which may finally tell what the error is01:12
DocScrutinizer05add that echo $PYDIR/$d  line before mount01:13
FredrIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: also, is rendurancy in pymaemo-optify intended?01:14
DocScrutinizer05even   echo "mounting py:  `date`  pydir: $PYDIR/$d ."01:14
Sicelolooks like you can't 'divert' busybox netsta, because it's not installed on its own DocScrutinizer05.01:14
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: possibly01:14
FredrIQ|n900it sets a variable containing which directory to bindmount to at start of init.d01:15
DocScrutinizer05cya folks, me needs a beer out in the big black bluebox now01:15
FredrIQ|n900and then proceed to source /etc/default/pymaemo-optify (which does this as well) lol01:15
Siceloit's just a symlonk to busybox.. so when installing netstat standalone, it deletes the link and installs a 'real' netstat. if you ever uninstall it, the 'real' binary is deleted, and link to busybox restored01:15
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: that would be awesome, if only busybox wouldn't PROVIDE:netstat01:16
DocScrutinizer05so with apt you will run into troubles for sure01:16
GogoPogogtg, will get back to you tomorrow01:17
Siceloi don't see how.01:17
DocScrutinizer05with dpkg I dunno, but definitely will cause inconsistencies next time you run apt01:17
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DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: that's why all that stuff is installed to bin/gnu/* and symlinked from /bin/g* -> /bin/gnu/*01:18
* FredrIQ|n900 altered his PATH to prefer /usr/bin/gnu01:19
HRH_H_CrabSicelo: yep you were right it does need wpasupplicant01:19
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: actually I guess it's a pkg like busybox-alternatives or whatever that PROVIDEs netstat01:19
DocScrutinizer05FredrIQ|n900: me too :-D01:19
Siceloi have this netstat.. and not any other version of busybox.01:20
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Siceloanyway, i understand your point01:20
FredrIQ|n900busybox-symlinks-net-tools provides netstat01:20
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DocScrutinizer05now if that's not forced by mp-fremantle-pr then you can uninstall it and install proper netstat. otherwise it will uninstall whole mp-fremantle-pr01:21
DocScrutinizer05that's what I actually did to get procps01:22
DocScrutinizer05since messybox ps is unbearable either01:22
FredrIQ|n900can't you just do it the same way as with coreutils-gnu?01:22
DocScrutinizer05since then no more updates, and I'm actually happy about it01:22
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ashleyDocScrutinizer05: sorry, something came up; I'm here now; checked out GogoPogo's link, doesn't seem to be anything new or unseen, just the dumpHTML extension ( with some custom patches + a bunch of original shell scripts; the problem with dumpHTML is is that it's been broken (AFAIK) for a while and nobody's cared enough to do any serious work on it and there really isn't an alternative way to create s01:23
ashleytatic representations of MediaWiki pages01:23
FredrIQ|n900allthough if a lot of packages is going to provide alternatives to busybox binaries, /usr/bin may end up like Program Files@windows after a while lol01:23
DocScrutinizer05FredrIQ|n900: sure you could package procps in a way it doesn't conflict with messybox, like *-gnu does01:23
Siceloanyway, my netstat doesn't come from the pkg FredrIQ|n900 mentioned either01:24
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DocScrutinizer05ashley: thanks for the info :-)01:24
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Sicelo~$ dpkg -S $(which netstat)01:25
Sicelonetstat: /usr/bin/netstat01:25
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: I dunno01:25
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# netstat -V01:26
DocScrutinizer05net-tools 1.6001:26
FIQ|n900Sicelo: the one I mentioned was /bin/netstat though - there's nothing in /usr/bin/01:26
DocScrutinizer05maybe messybox-basic has no netstat at all01:26
ashleydatabase dumps are somewhat of a pain point...generating SQL or XML dumps is easy, but that's about it; obviously SQL dumps -- at least full dumps -- aren't suitable for public distribution, which leaves us with the XML ones...but those require a working MediaWiki instance to "read" the contents of such a dump, which isn't exactly ideal either01:26
FIQ|n900lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root            7 Dec  9  2012 /bin/netstat -> busybox01:27
FIQ|n900seems like the busybox version maemo has do have netstat01:27
Siceloi know the one FIQ|n900 mentions. anyway.. back to ecc3g .. any info for us.. which process if trying to access that site?01:27
DocScrutinizer05ashley: aiui evopedia uses exactly mysql to get a full mediawiki-lookalike01:27
DocScrutinizer05at least those python scripts do01:28
FIQ|n900why juse evopedia over mediawiki?01:29
DocScrutinizer05I have nfc what *is* evopedia01:29
DocScrutinizer05except for above link01:30
DocScrutinizer05 <- if that's evopedia then it uses a mysql db and stores wiki data there to somehow display it on browser locally later01:30
DocScrutinizer05it has even a function to generate random-page01:31
nox-evopedia is an offline wikipedia etc reader01:31
DocScrutinizer05maybe somebody needs that nonsense on their local wiki01:31
DocScrutinizer05nox-: exactly01:32
* nox- at least finds it useful (only the dumps are kinda old)01:32
DocScrutinizer05nox-: and we want to feed it with wiki.m.o data01:32
DocScrutinizer05and aiui it has all the functions to build his own db from dumps it downloads from via wget01:33
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: and aiui it has all the functions to build its own db from dumps it downloads from via wget01:33
FIQ|n900that's some really big size differences on every dumps01:34
nox-yeah wp is growing fast...01:34
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FIQ|n900note how the newest is 1/20 of a 1 year older dump01:35
DocScrutinizer05patch that to point to wiki.m.o01:35
* DocScrutinizer05 heads out01:35
nox-FIQ|n900, Wikivoyage?  thats not wp :)01:35
FIQ|n900oh misread lol01:36
DocScrutinizer05if somebody is willing to patch it, I'm willing to run it on locally and provide the dump01:37
DocScrutinizer05so no need for you to rape wiki.m.o and your DSL line and local PC01:37
FIQ|n900doesn't w.m.o run mediawiki?01:40
ashleyindeed it does01:42
DocScrutinizer05shall not be hard to patch that client, ah?01:43
FIQ|n900depends on how it gets the downloads01:44
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DocScrutinizer05I haven't looked into it01:44
FIQ|n900neither have I01:44
FIQ|n900but it *should* be trivial to patch01:44
FIQ|n900if patching is needed at all01:44
DocScrutinizer05URL needs patching for sure01:45
DocScrutinizer05unless that's a parameter01:45
FIQ|n900if it supports importing a local dump, I guess you could simply have a tmo dump instead01:45
FIQ|n900and I don't see how that would fail01:45
FIQ|n900unless it *really tries to* avoid "unofficial" wikipedia variants01:46
FIQ|n900which would be silly01:47
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DocScrutinizer05Source Code01:56
DocScrutinizer05github: (from version 0.4 on)01:56
DocScrutinizer05Older versions:
DocScrutinizer05FIQ|n900: the client, however bloated, has a mediwiki subdir01:57
DocScrutinizer05given the tiny size of w.m.o  (compared to wikipedia) I don't see any problem to run this client on your local PC and download w.m.o and ""create Wikipedia database dumps for use in the offline Wikipedia reader evopedia.""01:59
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DocScrutinizer054. start the dump process02:04
DocScrutinizer05call createdump.sh02:04
DocScrutinizer05(Don't be too optimistic though. After part of the day the database is filled with several gigabytes of downloaded wikipedia content, but something is broken and the final dump gives no results.)02:04
DocScrutinizer05great, isn't it?02:05
DocScrutinizer05sorry, have to run now02:05
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DocScrutinizer05sounds funny when they try to download a several terrabytes dump to a VFAT fs like Mydocs02:08
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FIQ|n900why do you want to do this anyway?02:11
FIQ|n900@ making maemo wiki available offline02:11
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DocScrutinizer05because it's a sane thing to have the docs at hand when your internet acccess breaks02:12
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FIQ|n900hmm point taken02:12
FIQ|n900but isn't there an offline maemo wiki reader available already?02:12
DocScrutinizer05since, where else than in wiki (or tmo) would you look for the solution to your problem?02:12
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DocScrutinizer05I dunno, never heard of any02:13
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DocScrutinizer05o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/ o/02:13
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FIQ|n900just went and was going to look for missing symlinks02:33
FIQ|n900found this: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     31 2013-07-21 15:22 python-support.pth -> ../../pymodules/python2.5/.path - why is this a relative link?02:34
FIQ|n900oh well02:34
FIQ|n900perhaps it's supposed to be like that lol02:34
FIQ|n900(that wouldn't explain the issue I had at all as it's irrelevant, just wondered why it was like that)02:35
FIQ|n900it's only broken in the sense that following it directly (from /opt) would fail, allthough it's not really necessary to make it relative, is it?02:36
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FIQ|n900well there we go, now *that* was fixed03:22
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DocScrutinizer05HMMM älter als 8 Tage (Das Alter ist 204,3 Tage03:54
* DocScrutinizer05 starts updatedb03:54
FIQ|n900ran into delayed (not failed) bindmounts, but not sure why it stalls03:57
DocScrutinizer05hehe quite interesting to see how updatedb made my drive acticity indicator LED shine red03:57
FIQ|n900# Redirect stderr into the log file (don't forget to restore when exiting!)03:57
FIQ|n900exec 2 >>"$protocol"03:57
FIQ|n900then my own log file didn't show anything for a while03:58
FIQ|n900checked the log file in question that it mentions03:58
DocScrutinizer05wtf are you green now, while [2013-07-24 02:22:43] <FIQ|n900> well ther... was red?03:58
FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: possibly because I had the nick FredrIQ|n900 before03:59
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FIQ|n900and xchat didn't refresh until rejoin03:59
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FIQ|n900oh yeah had FredrIQ|n900 at first during that session04:00
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# time updatedb04:01
DocScrutinizer05real    1m22.686s04:01
DocScrutinizer05user    0m48.125s04:01
DocScrutinizer05sys     0m15.320s04:01
DocScrutinizer05I don't see any difference between <FIQ|n900> (red) and <FIQ|n900> (green)04:02
FIQ|n900"# Check if /home/pot is mount bound to /opt" pot :D04:03
FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: well04:03
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FIQ|n900color do I have now?04:04
* DocScrutinizer05 waits for checkered FIQ|n90004:04
FIQ|n900that was my point :P04:04
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FIQ|n900lol checkered04:04
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DocScrutinizer05nfc how konversation picks nick colors04:05
FIQ|n900based on nick04:05
FIQ|n900keeps same color on renick04:05
DocScrutinizer05I'd have used md5sum%8 or sth04:05
FIQ|n900before user rejoins04:05
DocScrutinizer05on nick04:05
FIQ|n900that's what it does04:06
FIQ|n900well not necessarily md5sum04:06
FIQ|n900but some algoritm based on the nick04:06
FIQ|n900however it keeps the same color if the user changes nick04:06
DocScrutinizer05oooh I seee04:06
DocScrutinizer05you say it depends om what nick you *joined* the channel04:07
FIQ|n900(before the user leaves and come back with this new nick)04:07
DocScrutinizer05yes, it seems it does04:07
FIQ|n900anyway, that logfile didn't really help explaining why bindmounts was delayed04:08
DocScrutinizer05so <FIQ|n900>(RED) been <FIQ|n900><<joined as FredrIQ|n900>04:08
FIQ|n900however - if it fails again04:08
FIQ|n900like it did earlier todat04:08
FIQ|n900perhaps I can figure it out04:08
DocScrutinizer05make that "time mount bla brubble"04:09
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DocScrutinizer05also you might want to do "cat /proc/mounts" before04:10
DocScrutinizer05if nuttin else helps: strace mount04:10
FIQ|n900perhaps I should place a date before it switch logfile04:10
FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: well04:10
FIQ|n900the issue was not with the mount04:11
DocScrutinizer05though I'm afraid messybox will neuter that04:11
FIQ|n900but anyway04:11
DocScrutinizer05don't forget the timestamp parameter for strace!04:11
FIQ|n900basically, rcS-late switch to maemo-optify-boottime.log logfile (for exec 2) at a certain part in the script04:11
FIQ|n900this phase took 2 minutes04:12
FIQ|n900I'll place a date indicator at this part, and a real seperator between sessions (there's none making it hard to figure out where the current session is) in that other logfile04:13
DocScrutinizer05yeah optify-boottime may take some while04:13
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DocScrutinizer05date +%x is convenient04:13
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DocScrutinizer05and "trap 'echo ###############' exit"04:14
DocScrutinizer05though nfc if that will work in friggin upstart scripts04:14
DocScrutinizer05seems rcS-late is in fact a upstart script, according to your pastebin04:15
FIQ|n900uh huh?04:16
FIQ|n900that was weird04:16
DocScrutinizer05[2013-07-23 23:59:33] <FIQ|n900> rcS-late04:16
FIQ|n900was going to edit rcS-late and search for exec twice, and the thing segfaulted lol04:16
DocScrutinizer05description "late rcS actions"04:17
DocScrutinizer05start on started hal04:17
DocScrutinizer05stop on stopping hal04:17
DocScrutinizer05console none04:17
DocScrutinizer05thats upstart fuckup04:17
DocScrutinizer05WOW I managed to post empty lines04:18
DocScrutinizer05can't recall to have done this ever before04:18
FIQ|n900there's 1 space in them04:18
SAiFGood morning I guess?  :)04:18
FIQ|n900irc doesn't allow empty lines to be posted04:19
DocScrutinizer05goo (UGT) morning04:19
DocScrutinizer05good* even04:20
infobotugt is, like, Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant.
DocScrutinizer05FFS maemo will be my epithaph04:21
DocScrutinizer05maybe NCIS on TV04:22
SAiFokay,,  Good (UGT) morning Doc...:)04:25
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FIQ|n900hm apt still have localization issues in newest cssu04:28
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DocScrutinizer05maemo and I18n/l10n seems to not to go together well04:30
DocScrutinizer05any questions, Watson?04:32
DocScrutinizer05compared to that apt-get looks awesome04:34
povbot_Bug 8291: Enable CONFIG_LOCALE_SUPPORT in busybox04:36
FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: not as in a mess between swe/en04:36
FIQ|n900but rather bogus confirmation requests04:36
FIQ|n900asking Y/n but in fact only allows j/n04:36
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DocScrutinizer05I'm searching for the $LANG where "y" means "no"04:36
FIQ|n900mentioned this on several occasions in here and also ended up posting it in cssu with lack for better place04:36
FIQ|n900y as in yes04:37
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FIQ|n900but anything else than yes (i.e. anything else than j in swedish locale) aborts04:37
FIQ|n900so y aborts04:37
DocScrutinizer05I'm a fan of hardcore: either use LANG=C, or for maemo use LANG=en_EN04:38
FIQ|n900even though it asks specifically for y/n04:38
FIQ|n900*this* is the issue04:38
FIQ|n900asking for j/n and answering y would abort, is something I would be ok with (annoying but acceptable)04:38
FIQ|n900asking for y/n and answering y doing an abort is not04:38
DocScrutinizer05who's not capable to read english manpages is doomed anyway in IT04:38
FIQ|n900also just ran into this lovely bug in nano
povbot_Bug 8285: Always crashes when using search in "nano" (ctrl+w) on device04:39
DocScrutinizer05nano wtf04:39
DocScrutinizer05nano is for sissies04:39
bef0rdnano ftw04:39
FIQ|n900kinda annoying but at least there's a straight-forward solution04:39
FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: full emacs isn't available on phone04:40
DocScrutinizer05either you use vi or emacs, or you're a quicje-eater like me and use mcedit04:40
FIQ|n900there's qemacs but didn't really like that clone04:41
* infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :(04:41
FIQ|n900real programmers use butterflies, np04:41
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DocScrutinizer05~real-programmer is
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0504:42
DocScrutinizer05~real programmer is <reply>see real-programmer04:43
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0504:43
FIQ|n900whoever made nano-2.0.7 as a solution didn't make the package conflict with nano ...04:43
DocScrutinizer05fine, since nano prolly is messybox04:44
ecc3gwhich is worse, nano or messybox-vi :D04:44
FIQ|n900it's not04:44
DocScrutinizer05it's the same binary anyway04:44
FIQ|n900btw how come some packages' install say that they can't be certified?04:45
DocScrutinizer05cosidering there's nano and even pico, I ponder coding an editor called peta04:45
FIQ|n900or micro04:46
FIQ|n900as a nano successor04:46
psycho_oreospico was the propriatory version that came with pine package. nano was just a free clone based off pico.04:46
FIQ|n900now I can actually search04:47
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DocScrutinizer05I'll not use editors smaller than milli04:48
DocScrutinizer05awesome name04:49
psycho_oreosI started *ahem* BASH scripting with pico (there was no such thing known as nano back then). I saw another person using vi which had noticeably cooler UI including syntax highlighting. I'm certain nano still wouldn't even have syntax highlighting.04:49
ecc3geight megs and constantly swaps.04:49
DocScrutinizer05nano is a hoax04:50
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DocScrutinizer05I rather use sed than nano04:51
psycho_oreosvi/m would easily point out if there was a syntax error (if it knows the language you are {typ,writ,edit}ing in), nano wouldn't even do things like that.04:51
DocScrutinizer05HELL, even ed04:51
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if messybox has a ed plugin04:51
DocScrutinizer05ed: applet not found04:52
DocScrutinizer05thought as much04:52
DocScrutinizer05vi is the only editor I know of that's *certified* to work on lines of mega-chars length without a single CR04:54
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DocScrutinizer05everybody else took the cheating easy shortcut to define a max-line-length04:55
DocScrutinizer05often 1024 chars04:55
DocScrutinizer05if you exceed that, $editor will either segfault, blow chunks, or insert linebreaks on its own04:56
FredrIQ|n900ok, accidentally got a loose battery and device did a hard shutdown04:56
DocScrutinizer05looked like that ;-P04:57
FredrIQ|n900and ext3 partition went corrupt... gg04:57
psycho_oreosWhy isn't the battery cover even installed?04:58
FredrIQ|n900 seems kind of minor, but still04:58
FredrIQ|n900psycho_oreos: of course it is04:58
FredrIQ|n900but my battery set isn't exactly stable - merely opening the cover and holding n900 upside down will make it fall out instantly04:59
psycho_oreosFredrIQ|n900, >_> and the battery managed to slip out of its contacts and somehow landed in the battery case?04:59
FredrIQ|n900so occasionally (rarely) if exposed to sudden moves, battery shorts temporary04:59
DocScrutinizer05WTF are "fast symbolic links"?05:00
psycho_oreosIdeally you should have tightened those battery "prongs".05:00
FredrIQ|n900psycho_oreos: no idea how to do this05:00
FredrIQ|n900it has been like this for a while now, wasn't even aware it was easily fixable05:00
FredrIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: no idea05:00
DocScrutinizer05FredrIQ|n900: bend out ypur spring levers!05:00
psycho_oreosFredrIQ|n900, you basically need something like a needle and you push towards in each other for each part.05:01
DocScrutinizer05bend them out so far yu hardly can insert battery05:01
FredrIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: ok will look into this a more proper time (4am atm)05:02
DocScrutinizer05same TZ05:02
DocScrutinizer05except I got my private TZ05:02
DocScrutinizer05which is fuzzy05:02
FredrIQ|n900will try to fsck via BM05:03
FredrIQ|n900this seems as a very minor issue so it should be done w/o issues05:03
DocScrutinizer05yeah. one block (un)claimed seems fixable05:03
psycho_oreosShould be thankful that its a journaled FS, if it wasn't.. lol.05:04
DocScrutinizer05it's NOT05:04
DocScrutinizer05journaling on a storage that writes 4MB pages is... brainfuck05:05
psycho_oreoso.O by default (according to wikipedia that is) its noted as a journal fs.05:05
DocScrutinizer05JFFS is not journaling, ext3 is and better be not05:06
DocScrutinizer05nfc what fs had that missing block for FredrIQ|n90005:07
DocScrutinizer05fsck on NAND is brainfuck either05:07
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infobotDocScrutinizer05: :)05:08
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FIQ|n900it says within BM's root console that the fs is clean05:09
FIQ|n900perhaps those errors show up due to the fact that the fs is mounted?05:09
FIQ|n900(fsck was done with -nv)05:09
psycho_oreosAhh yes my bad, the rootfs is ubifs. I was thinking of /home which is ext3.05:09
DocScrutinizer05ubi or jffs, no diff05:09
FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: should I ignore the issue it shows given that BM fsck show no issues?05:10
DocScrutinizer05except friggin ubi can NOT handle "small" volumes like "initrd" mtd05:10
FIQ|n900ran it several times though, always same output (allthough once it displayed more issues, probably due to some temporary hiccup due to mounted fs)05:11
DocScrutinizer05FIQ|n900: I'd assume when it doesn't show it got fixed05:11
FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: yeah, though it still show up within maemo with that command :p05:12
FIQ|n900and fsck never did anything within BM in first place05:12
DocScrutinizer05that's a bug then05:12
FIQ|n900it just said it was clean05:12
DocScrutinizer05fsck has a plethora of cmdline options05:13
DocScrutinizer05try verbose+++05:13
DocScrutinizer05what's the suspect volume?05:14
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DocScrutinizer05 / ?05:14
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FIQ|n900speaking of /05:14
FIQ|n900can you even fsck that?05:14
DocScrutinizer05well, run a fsck against that volume in BM, with all the firearms loaded, live and unlocked05:15
DocScrutinizer05fsck of ubi/jffs is a brainfart05:16
FIQ|n900what if it gets corrupt?05:16
DocScrutinizer05it either auto-recovers or you're fux0red05:16
DocScrutinizer05see man ubifs05:17
FIQ|n900no manpage for it apparently lol05:17
FIQ|n900or jffs for that matter05:17
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FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: btw05:18
FIQ|n900if battery dies05:18
FIQ|n900is that a clean shutdown?05:18
DocScrutinizer05not a excellent starting point, but...05:19
FIQ|n900forced by os yes, but still clean05:19
DocScrutinizer05since battery can provide power down to 2.5V, but shutdown happens way earlier (if bme is running)05:19
FIQ|n900noes, no possibility of using all capacity!05:20
DocScrutinizer05an unclean/hard shutdown would be one that's triggered by hw/pmu for low voltage, without even kernel taking care of the signals bouncing off every wall05:21
FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: just for curiousity, do "system upgrades" override this decision? given the potential damage if it shuts down I mean05:22
FIQ|n900OTA updates05:22
FIQ|n900cssu and such05:22
DocScrutinizer05you mean if system acts different regarding shutdown on ow batvolt  while upgrading/flashing?05:23
DocScrutinizer05I'm not sure, but probably yes05:23
DocScrutinizer05I dont think a running flashing process gets aborted on lowbat05:24
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FIQ|n900perhaps it puts it in a state that makes resuming the update possible once booted again (allthough this is possibly done automatically)05:24
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DocScrutinizer05once it started, system should try to finish it by all means05:24
DocScrutinizer05like 911 calls05:25
FIQ|n900shouldn't the system try to put failsafes in place anyway though?05:25
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DocScrutinizer05the only calls allowed on overtemperature and low battery or too cold battery05:25
FIQ|n900like a backup binary/script running on boot resuming it immediately on power fail05:25
DocScrutinizer05it does05:25
DocScrutinizer05you can't resume05:26
shawnjeffersonAnyone familiar with compiling for thumb?05:26
DocScrutinizer05you just can refuse to even start flashing when there's no safety headroom05:26
FIQ|n900that's of course true :p05:27
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon is familar with thumb stuff05:27
shawnjeffersonhe's not in the channel at the moment I don't think05:27
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shawnjeffersonI'm wondering how you can tell if an executable is compiled for thumb or not. the file command gives the same output generally05:28
DocScrutinizer05OK, my "nanny" ordered I shall ask for a job. So: does any of you have a job for me? preferably related to maemo maintenance, community moderation, hw-review&QA?05:28
DocScrutinizer05shawnjefferson: you can't simply tell for sure, the only way to tell apart thiumb binaries from ARM binaries is by looking at impair jump addr05:30
DocScrutinizer05so teh cmdline I came up with had sth like "grep [o-9abcdef]*[13579bdf]"05:31
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FIQ|n900you can mow my lawn for $1/h if you like05:31
DocScrutinizer05tell me your garage account so I can find the lawn05:32
DocScrutinizer05I'll eventually stop managing/maintainig infra when I don't have any source of income that allows me to do that, either by no income at all or by no time at all05:34
DocScrutinizer05otoh when sufficient donations or a contract with salary gives me opportunity to continue to dedicate 24/7 of my time to maemo, I for sure will prefer that option05:35
DocScrutinizer053 weeks ago I though what an easy life that would be when every user would pay 5ct / month for me to make a living05:36
FIQ|n900make a f2p game, instant rich allthough people will hate you05:37
DocScrutinizer05people will hate me when I stop keeping et al alive, though only for 12h until they forget about me05:39
FIQ|n900hahah :P05:39
FIQ|n900@ the latter05:39
DocScrutinizer05sure, you say "why don't you work in a job at McDonalds for 10h, and dedicate the rest of your time to, like everybody else?" - simple answer: I can't05:41
DocScrutinizer05McD doesn't like me being late due to fixing some urgent stuff in maemo05:42
DocScrutinizer05so, as hard as it may sound, this is becoming a "all or nothing" question for me05:43
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DocScrutinizer05as long as I can afford by any means, I'm 100% dedicated to it. But that will have to stop pretty soon05:44
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psycho_oreosCurrent economy is tough, the only way is to look at alternatives, like spreading the workload out and/or use advertising services. I know there will be lots of anger and hatred but it may keep the service alive.05:48
DocScrutinizer05I already pondered a "premium service" where everybody has to register and pay a 8$/year to access *.m.o on a high-availability level05:49
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DocScrutinizer05if you don't, you have to face no support, no high nadwidth acces, and a number of other convenience options missing05:51
FIQ|n900as long as you don't make using the repositories harder, do whatever you want05:52
FIQ|n900@ premium utilities05:52
DocScrutinizer05or you volunteer to contribute to maintenance05:53
shawnjeffersonsharing the load is probably the best option... although it's tough to get people involved I suppose (and those with some tech skills too)05:53
* FIQ|n900 could definitely see himself donating to keep alive05:54
DocScrutinizer05yes, it is a game with negative balance for the first few weeks or months05:54
FIQ|n900not sure if I could help in other ways though05:54
* psycho_oreos thinks as soon as there's premium services becomes an option, there would be people willing to try and make a mirror out of *.m.o beforehand.05:54
FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: regarding donations, wouldn't you be able to request donations from fsf?05:55
FIQ|n900dunno how that works though05:55
DocScrutinizer05I dunno05:55
DocScrutinizer05for now I manage donations that for 49/50 I may not touch to buy me a pizza05:56
FIQ|n900but given that you're a not-for-profit organization towards something they support at a reasonable size, they could probably help05:56
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DocScrutinizer05and I'd prefer to not manage them at all - hope I get rid of this task as soon as new HiFo BoD sorts issues with official paypal account05:57
psycho_oreosThey're still waiting from that one person to sort things out?05:58
DocScrutinizer05yep, basically05:58
infobotgood coffee05:59
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* psycho_oreos shakes head and wonders how active is that one person. Maybe if that one person didn't give that much personal contact info, then it might be safer to somehow use an alternative way (i.e. assign a new person, notify the old person that they were not able to contact with him/her. Then the new person quickly takes on the role of getting it sorted).06:01
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psycho_oreosIf they were to leave you hanging by a thread when you're struggling already then I guess in some ways it can be an open invitation to try and look at alternatives until they manage to get themselves sorted.06:03
DocScrutinizer05that's already established06:03
FIQ|n900or simply ask this person stalling everything to actually do something?06:03
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psycho_oreosI don't know, if they were notified of new changes but they seem to have lost interest in it. Then its time to seek alternate solutions rather than still hoping for that one person to come back.06:05
DocScrutinizer05well, I simply stopped taking care about a lot of all that06:08
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psycho_oreosI'd also notify members of HiFo BoD that you're facing a difficult situation and that you can no longer keep maintaining. If they can't sort this out within time you need to try and make amends on somehow making the service alive whilst being funded from some other source.06:09
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DocScrutinizer05I simply wonder if that's a sustainable situation when 1 of 1000 bothers to help in whatever way, while 999/1000 have an approach of "it stll works. if it stops working, I'll have to think about alternatives"06:12
DocScrutinizer05and particularly I wonder how much of a fool I am to waste my life on that 1/100006:14
psycho_oreosProbably not, but that's pretty much how projects die when the rest doesn't really care. To make matters worse is really the economy, I'd help out if I could but I've got personal issues on my own.06:14
DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: not asking you to help out06:15
DocScrutinizer05this wouldn't help in the end06:15
SAiFI wish I could do something, I am not technically skilled, and I am a student with part time job,  Tell me if there is something I can do..06:15
psycho_oreosI know, just inputting on where I stand as well.06:15
FIQ|n900how much is needed economically for to still work06:16
DocScrutinizer05we need more manpower, and I need a job, either crwdfunded or sponsored by a company interested in maemo, or I vanish here and do sth else06:16
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DocScrutinizer05actually council could do >>Hiring of staff<<06:19
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DocScrutinizer05this was a normal thing when Nokia paid for it. Maybe community could think about allowing same for council to do from funds that council/HiFo collects06:22
DocScrutinizer05shawnjefferson: you were interested in...?06:23
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DocScrutinizer05IOW what VMs you need an account?06:24
shawnjefferson22It was mainly autobuilder i guess, mainly because it seemed the system having the most issues that needed some help06:27
* psycho_oreos wonders if that council work page is still relevant, last modification was not long ago yet there were still topics like N900 DDP and that they cannot change nokia's commercial decision on commercial support for meego on N900.06:29
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DocScrutinizer05shawnjefferson: please try ssh sjeffers@www.maemo.org06:31
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DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: I dunno if it's still relevant. Heck, I dunno if maemo at large is any more relevant06:36
DocScrutinizer05psycho_oreos: we could do a little experiment: I shut down repo.m.o and www.m.o and wiki.m.o, then let's see how long it takes till *anybody* complains06:37
shawnjefferson22DocScrutinzer05: did you use the ssh key I sent to techstaff email?  if so i need to get on my other computer to test06:37
DocScrutinizer05or do you want me to use a different key?06:37
shawnjefferson22no, that's good, it's just my daughter is watching a movie on that computer at the moment. I'll try a bit later and let you know.  Thanks!06:39
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer05, LOL @ the latter comment. I was thinking along the same lines as well, just show the page 503 Service Unavailable. That would really put a fire on some people's back :D. I found an interesting page:
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, that is the ancient page where some council member first considered what today became HiFo?06:41
DocScrutinizer05yeah, it is06:41
DocScrutinizer05  ;-P06:41
psycho_oreosNotable stuff mentioned there but took them awhile to get new BoD sorted, it states that "Upon being elected, the Council would select a Treasurer for their term. This must be completed within four weeks of the election." So by the fourth week, the current (which would be now known as the outgoing) treasurer would be considered no longer active.06:42
* psycho_oreos just looks at the footer information instead. "This page was last modified on 26 March 2011, at 13:40"06:44
DocScrutinizer05yes, but it also needs current treasurer (who actually is never been appointed as treasurer) to hand over access to the assets06:44
DocScrutinizer05all hail to jaffa for setting up that page and the whole idea, first instance06:45
psycho_oreosUltimately the person who was never been appointed as the treasurer sort of now "ran away" with those assets.06:46
DocScrutinizer05not sure about that06:46
DocScrutinizer05ask BoD06:46
DocScrutinizer05I honestly feel a severe burnout syndrome whenever thinking about any of that stuff06:47
psycho_oreosI was reading one of their minute sessions and it was supposedly one person that was not there at the time of meeting which ironically was controlling the finances.06:49
psycho_oreosBesides its been weeks since that meeting was there.06:50
DocScrutinizer05while stuff like new marble version upload to repo block on infra not working and nobody taking care06:51
DocScrutinizer05and all other stuff bitrots as well06:53
DocScrutinizer05repo schizoid fremantle-1.3 vs fremantle pending since start of January06:54
DocScrutinizer05repo also has checksum errors again06:54
DocScrutinizer05user account data not propagating from garage to the other VM06:55
DocScrutinizer05repo management spammed database with bogus recuring "remiving old package version", but doesn't handle promote (even from autobulder to extras-devel), delete, or proper signing new repo packages.gz06:56
DocScrutinizer05until we recently disabled it to stop the spamming06:57
DocScrutinizer05apache blows chunks on any "unusual" load, e.g from web spiders06:58
DocScrutinizer05and midgard... don't ask06:58
psycho_oreosI've heard from time to time midgard issues were appearing.06:58
DocScrutinizer05all of this been heritage either from not doing any service during summer til newyear 2012, or (most of it) even got introduced during migration#106:59
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psycho_oreosI guess inevitably due to dying interests, even at this point in time there's only very few chatting activities going on compared to what was then more active.07:21
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DrCodehi all08:29
DrCodewhen using maemo format on microsd, what filetype it make?08:29
DrCodefat or ext2?08:29
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SAiFmost fones do Fat, i guess. I dont know maemo though09:00
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brolin_empeyPali: Can you please add some new products (USB Vendor ID + Product ID) to asix.c and dm9601.c in the Maemo 5 power kernel?09:04
Palibrolin_empey: yes, please send me patch09:05
brolin_empeyPali: My patches have been to asix.ko and dm9601.ko instead of asix.c and dm9601.c .09:06
Paliwhat? patching binary files??09:07
brolin_empeyPali: However, only my patch to asix.ko seems to have succeeded.09:08
brolin_empeyPali: Yes, I patched the .ko binary files because I did not want to sidetrack myself with the project of trying to rebuild the power kernel from source.09:09
brolin_empeyPali: Can I provide just the new USB Vendor ID + Product ID combinations to add?  I need only 2 additions to dm9601.c and 1 addition to asix.c .09:12
Paliif you can create patch file09:12
Pali$ diff -Naurp > patch09:13
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brolin_empeyPali: You can just copy and paste an existing product entry and change the IDs.09:14
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Palior send me new edited files09:15
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Paliplease can you send me at least changed file(s)? Do not want to guess which other structures need to be added...09:28
brolin_empeyPali: Yes, I can try.  Is there any chance of using a newer Linux kernel than version 2.6.28 on Maemo 5?09:32
Palibrolin_empey: I'm already trying it... but GSM/3G not working09:32
Paliand lot of other closed source nokia apps not working too...09:33
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brolin_empeyPali: Using a newer kernel on Maemo 5 seems better than trying to backport changes from kernel version 3.x to the antiquated kernel version 2.6.28 .09:35
Palino, no09:35
Paliupstream kernel on maemo5 is unusable09:35
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Paliand never be, because of nokia closed source apps which cannot be diagnoticated & fixed09:36
brolin_empeyPali: Specifically which applications are unusable with a newer kernel version?09:37
PaliPhone application09:37
PaliMCE daemon09:37
Palieverything with GSM/3G stack09:37
Paliaccelerometer applications09:38
Paliand upstream kernel has very bad power saving09:38
brolin_empeyPali: OK, then can we just backport the products added to both asix.c and dm9601.c since kernel version 2.6.28 ?09:39
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Sicelobtw, which is 'power-saving' state of cpu.. C0 or C4?11:54
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FIQ|n900so the stalling happened again12:08
FIQ|n900this time I was able to follow the progress exactly12:08
FIQ|n900and the issue seems to be on this command:12:08
FIQ|n900initctl emit MOUNTS_OK12:08
FIQ|n900in rcS-late12:09
FIQ|n900This command was running for 7 minutes straight without anything else happening12:09
FIQ|n900this is provided by upstart, and I don't know how initctl works internally or why it might stall for several minutes12:12
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FIQ|n900heh... googling "initctl stalling" brought up an ubuntu forum post, and ouch!12:23
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DrCodehi al13:46
DrCodeif I use maemo format for microsf , what filetype it uses?13:47
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SiceloDrCode: FAT14:03
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DrCodewow, I see14:34
DrCodethank you14:34
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brolin_empeyWow, I suck at (digital still) photography: out of 24 shots, only 1 is actually worth publishing. :/15:02
brolin_empey24 shots of the same subject in the same place. :/15:06
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FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer05: psycho_oreos: thanks for the tip regarding loose battery15:07
FIQ|n900I solved it partially - can't solve it fully as I noticed something annoying15:07
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FIQ|n900one of my batteries has had its' topmost (opposite side of connector) piece of plastic gone15:08
FIQ|n900asked about this in here before, this is no issue with its' usage, no increased risks etc15:08
FIQ|n900however, it apparently has a *significant* effect on how the springs/whatever hold it in place15:09
FIQ|n900I used my stylus (which I don't use otherwise - wouldn't have cared if it broke, which it didn't) to bend up these15:09
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FIQ|n900It made the "complete" battery sit in place again, and even to the point it was becoming hard to put in15:10
FIQ|n900The other, on the other hand, while not falling if device is held upside down anymore, is still loose15:10
FIQ|n900And as I want to be able to use both of my batteries, I can't bend it further as that would make the complete one a pain or even impossible to insert15:11
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FIQ|n900Better than how it was before, but not perfect15:12
FIQ|n900I assume this solution will at least prevent random shutdowns if sudden moves happen15:12
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DocScrutinizer05FIQ|n900: how about fixing your broken battery? adding some arbitrary piece of plastic cut to shape shouldn't be too hard to do15:18
FIQ|n900I guess that could work, dunno what would be optimal though15:20
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brolin_empeyDocScrutinizer05: prboom? ;-)16:27
DocScrutinizer05now for my daily 15min frustrating experience: /join #kde, ask some  obvious but probably annoying questions about kmail and GPG16:28
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DocScrutinizer05hi Woody1461919:29
SAiFDoc, you dont sleep?19:31
Woody14619hi DocScrutinizer05. :)19:31
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DocScrutinizer05SAiF: why should I sleep?19:38
DocScrutinizer05SAiF: when you mean the C-states, I usually have at least 20% C4 and >75% lower than C119:40
DocScrutinizer05C0 is needed only for seconds19:43
SAiFyou are funny, idont understand most of what you are saying.19:47
SAiFneever mind :)19:47
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ecc2gI need time to be moved to S320:00
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thedead1440SAiF: there is never a time for sleeping in JRTSV (doc20:35
thedead1440s/(doc/(doc's own timezone)/20:35
infobotthedead1440 meant: SAiF: there is never a time for sleeping in JRTSV (doc's own timezone)20:35
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SAiFAny way I am gonna sleep. good night (UGT) .. :)20:45
Apiccu B-)20:45
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Earthwings_hi DocScrutinizer05, long time no see :)23:20
Earthwings_DocScrutinizer05: can you look into account/permission stuff? shentey asked for permission to upload packages to extras-devel some weeks ago, but nothing happened seemingly23:22
DocScrutinizer05I answered we proceeded the request but the borked infra might not work as supposed, and we need feedback what doesn't work and needs further hard kicks in the buttocks23:23
DocScrutinizer05yes, I can look in some of the permission stuff, when I know what for to look exactly23:24
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DocScrutinizer05Earthwings_: shentey has extras-account status: accepted23:38
DocScrutinizer05it's a known problem that garage account status doesn't propagate to the other VMs23:38
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DocScrutinizer05Earthwings_: sorry I can't check every single detail to make sure what's OK and what needs manual fixing. I need specific reports about stuff that doesn't work, and which account, URL, whatever I shall look at.23:42
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df_newbieis there a way to activate the cameras flash light (via console or something), while another app is using & blocking the camera, but does not support activating the flashlight?23:44
df_newbieon the n900~23:45
DocScrutinizer05hmm, hardly23:45
DocScrutinizer05dunno but i'd guess the v4l2 dev/video or whatever interface can't get opened by multiple processes concurrently23:46
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df_newbieyea, but the flashlight shouldnt be part of the v4l device context, should it?23:46
DocScrutinizer05otoh, iirc the flashlight applet actually *needs* camera opened to show up in system menu23:47
df_newbiewas just hoping there was some device node for the flashlight like there is for the keyboard leds23:47
DocScrutinizer05the flashlight *is* part of the v4l2 interface afaik23:47
DocScrutinizer05alas there isn't23:47
df_newbieah.. damn23:47
DocScrutinizer05(a device node for flash leds)23:48
DocScrutinizer05look into flashlight applet, I think it's python23:48
DocScrutinizer05which would mean you basically already got your cmdline way to activate it23:48
df_newbiewell i was playing around with the phonestreamer thing (stream video over wlan to laptop), but its horrid under dark'ish light conditions. sadly, it doesnt know about the flashlight it seems23:49
DocScrutinizer05seems flashlight is the app for you23:50
Earthwings_DocScrutinizer05: ok, thanks for looking into that. I'll forward it to him and ask him to contact you with more details.23:50
DocScrutinizer05Earthwings_: thanks!23:50
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DocScrutinizer05[2013-07-24 05:51:32] <DocScrutinizer05> while stuff like new marble version upload to repo block on infra not working and nobody taking care23:51
df_newbieDocScrutinizer05: no, because it too requires exclusive access to the camera it seems... but ill check the source and see how they do it; maybe its just a "weak" check or whatever23:53
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DrCodehi all23:54
DrCodewhen I run easydebian , I run it has virtualbox or somthing?23:54
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bef0rdas a chroot DrCode23:56
DocScrutinizer05right, flashlight also doesn't work with camera23:56
DocScrutinizer05nicocam knows "t" key for toggling flashlight23:57
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DocScrutinizer05(the cssu-t camera app)23:57
DocScrutinizer05and no, I guess that's not a weak check, it's a system level file-lock that doesn't allow multiple handles to the video device23:58
df_newbiethat app doesnt stream video though, does it?23:59
DocScrutinizer05which app?23:59
df_newbieand yea, the flashlight app is written in c and retrieves the flashlight context from hal or something.. ah well23:59
df_newbieyea, nico23:59
DocScrutinizer05not that I knew of23:59

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