| df_newbie | alright, thanks for the help | 00:00 |
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| DrCode | bef0rd, what do U mean? | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw for nuttin | 00:00 |
| DrCode | it run it like maemo? | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm, wait | 00:00 |
| bef0rd | DrCode: yes, like another app, no emulation, no "virtualbox", search for "chroot" on the internet | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah nope, sorry | 00:00 |
| DrCode | ok | 00:01 |
| DrCode | it can't break maemo? | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thought about I2C direct access, but the chip addr gets blocked by the video kernel driver | 00:01 |
| bef0rd | DrCode: it shouldn't, thats what a chroot is for | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you do a rm -rf on the chroot ;-P | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a very popular way to nuke your PC when "removing2 scratchbox | 00:02 |
| DrCode | ok | 00:03 |
| DrCode | thankyou | 00:03 |
| bef0rd | DocScrutinizer05: but that's because there are some mount binds, right? | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you got bindmounts of real /dev/ and/or /proc/ etc to your chroot, then deleting the chroot dir is a s real for your host system as when you did a rm -rf /dev | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bef0rd: right | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess easydeb as well has a number of bindmounts | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after all, you want to connect to the real X11 socket etc | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | real audio device | 00:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | whatnot else | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | heck, you probably even want the real sysfs and procfs | 00:08 |
| bef0rd | yea, it probably has those binds too, I've never used easydebian though | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so your ED chroot is as separated from maemo as a process with a chaged $LD_PATH | 00:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | me neither | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in fact it *might* just bindmount the chroot on root, just overriding a few dirs like /etc /lib maybe /var | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one of the more arcane facilities of mount | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | clearly listed in man 8 mount, but rarely anybody ever thougth about those options: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-mount-namespaces/index.html | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Applying mount namespaces | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Uncover practical applications for advanced Linux mounts features | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | partially transparent per-process filesystem namespaces | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since my unix knowledge is largely from last millenium, I somewhat missed out on nice details of bindmounts, cgroups, and other "modern" stuff | 00:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but those IBM dudes have some pretty nice papers on stuff like this, see above link | 00:28 |
| Sicelo | yup. agreed :) | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >> using FUSE, a user can mount an sshfs (secure shell) filesystem or a loopback filesystem [...] it would be completely unintuitive for such mounts to appear in only one of the user's login terminals but not the others. But with the approach in the section on per-login namespaces, that is exactly what will happen. << | 00:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Whereas pam_ns.so clones the mount namespace upon login, the pam_chroot.so module expects a per-user filesystem to be set up under /share/USER/root and simply uses chroot() to lock the user into his private filesystem.<< | 00:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mkdir -p /share/USER/root | 00:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mount --make-rshared / | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mount --rbind / /share/USER/root | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mount --make-rslave /share/USER/root | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mount --bind /share/USER/root/tmp/priv/USER /share/USER/root/tmp | 00:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | HAHAHA bottomline of http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-unix-difflinux.html >> All branches of UNIX and Linux have evolved and will be slightly different, but because of the maturity of the UNIX concept, the foundation doesn't change very much.<< And then came Lennart Poettering | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | soon LINUX spells: Lennart Invents New Useless eXtensions | 01:30 |
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| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: Lennart is trying his best to be a hipster | 01:34 |
| jon_y | can | 01:34 |
| jon_y | *can't | 01:34 |
| jon_y | can't blame him if you saw his wikipedia image | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you think he urgently needs such ego boost? | 01:35 |
| jon_y | probably lugs a typewriter around and drinks only starbucks coffee | 01:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | much much worse | 01:36 |
| jon_y | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lennart_poettering.jpg | 01:36 |
| jon_y | just look at him | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, already seen it | 01:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it's what he likes to look like | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but watch his very special appearance on that 27C3 talk of another guy about pulsaudio, when Lennart hijacked the stage and made a fool of himself | 01:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Poettering has advocated speeding up Linux development at the expense of breaking compatibility with BSD. "I don't think BSD is really too relevant anymore", he replied in an interview<< (from wikipedia) | 01:39 |
| jon_y | ouch | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this XXXXX doesn't grok that what linux needs is stabilization, not development speedup | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and he deliberately distinguishes between linux and all other unix flavors, pushing actively towards not only ditching compatibility or convergence with BSD but also with every other mature UNIX heriatge | 01:41 |
| jon_y | hipster alright | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and as well driving linux away from "works on microwave and fridge as well as on cray" | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | towards a OS for ISA PCs only | 01:42 |
| jon_y | new for the sake of new, dropping anything that is considered "old" | 01:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTdUmlGxVo0 | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (Poettering) | 02:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: NAH, e.g PA needs to exist pre-boot to allow BIOS adjustment for the blind | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's NOT for sake of "new", that's a MUST, or do you hate blind persons? | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now you're briefed for discussions with Poettering ;-P | 02:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | also localization needs to be pre-boot, or otherwise the blind can't select their native language in BIOS menus | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and of course all this needs to be network-enabled so the blind can ajust their BIOS settings of their PC from a remote machine | 02:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZTdUmlGxVo0&t=3284 | 02:37 |
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| win7mac | gn o/ | 03:52 |
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| DrCode | hi all | 08:05 |
| DrCode | how do I configure rss widget? | 08:05 |
| SAiF | HI.. | 08:05 |
| Sicelo | DrCode: what do you mean? | 08:06 |
| DrCode | I add rss widget | 08:06 |
| DrCode | but how do I had rss ? | 08:06 |
| DrCode | can I import from feedly or google rss? | 08:07 |
| Sicelo | rss widget is tied with rss application.. so configure the rss application itself | 08:07 |
| DrCode | what rss appliction I can use? | 08:07 |
| DrCode | I am new with n900 | 08:08 |
| DrCode | sorry | 08:08 |
| DrCode | is it build in or I need to install? | 08:08 |
| Sicelo | built in.. | 08:08 |
| Sicelo | called just RSS | 08:08 |
| DrCode | where can I find it? | 08:08 |
| DrCode | in appliction ? | 08:08 |
| SAiF | look | 08:08 |
| DrCode | thankyou | 08:09 |
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| DrCode | hi all | 09:33 |
| DrCode | is it possible to import google rss into maemo rss? | 09:34 |
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| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: why can't a blind person... | 12:40 |
| jon_y | you know, just ask for help? :| | 12:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: you need to discuss this with Mr Poettering | 14:32 |
| jon_y | a sock puppet is more productive :) | 14:32 |
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| Lava_Croft | envy is a painful emotion | 14:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | extracting toe nails is a panful procedire | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/ire/ure/ | 14:42 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: extracting toe nails is a panful procedure | 14:42 |
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| Lava_Croft | not as painful as seeing people hate on poettering | 14:42 |
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| DrCode | hi all | 15:07 |
| DrCode | I have extracted and copy easydebian image, how can I run it in maemo? | 15:08 |
| DrCode | dose it share same env of maemo ? bcz I dont want to break my maemo os | 15:08 |
| ashley | DrCode: have you read through http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian already? | 15:10 |
| Lava_Croft | and if you don't really understand it, don't feel bad | 15:11 |
| Lava_Croft | you probably don't need it anyway | 15:11 |
| DrCode | yes , I read it | 15:12 |
| DrCode | I have dowload other image | 15:12 |
| DrCode | not from menu | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://srlabs.de/rooting-sim-cards/ \o/ | 15:18 |
| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: playing with binary SMS right now, although I've yet to sniff a sample BinSMS from my carrier. | 15:24 |
| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: BTW, turns out SIM blanks can be bought rather easily and programmed with a cloned Ki and IMSI. | 15:30 |
| Hurrian | couple that with any rooted Mediatek Android phone, and you've got your very own phone cloning toolkit | 15:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I still have to read out my 1999 SIM which actually *can* get cloned to old classical way I'd hope | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should do that before the rotten old piece eventually craps out | 15:43 |
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| Pali | merlin1991: ping | 17:41 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: ping | 17:41 |
| Pali | RMO is broken | 17:41 |
| Pali | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle-1.3/ is not same as http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/ | 17:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: yes, known issue | 17:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | xes and merlin1991 promised to look into it and eventually fix it | 17:48 |
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| Pali | ok | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes even did an epic work of comparing the two and listing all differences | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I haven't heard of xes for the last 3 or so weeks | 17:49 |
| Pali | now on TMO somebody who cannot update repositories because of this error | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but his results are uploaded to maemo.org | 17:49 |
| Pali | and I bet there are lot of people which have this problem... | 17:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I know, but I already gave up. I can't do anything about it, we have too few and too inactive maintainers | 17:50 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: it is problem to run? $ mv fremantle-1.3 fremantle-1.3-old && ln -s fremantle fremantle-1.3 | 17:51 |
| Pali | or is there some scripts which touching also fremantle-1.3 dir? | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wouldn't know what to do, except a) watch maemo.org go over the cliff during next max 2 months, due to irrecoverable bitrot, or b) shut it down right away to stop bitrot so we might eventually recover when the manpower is available | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: I'm simply tired of deciding and even doing all that on my own (responsibility and evaluation) | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm even more tired of guys rushing over it and rendering it even more broken, while not communicating what they plan to do or did, not to ask for discussing those actiones prior to doing them | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I admit I'm clueless what to do | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not only about rmo schizophrenia | 17:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe I should put up a frontpage "DOWN FOR MAINTENANCE. MAINTAINERS WANTED!" | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | last time I shut down www.m.o nobody even complained for 24h, it probably went unnoticed | 17:59 |
| SAiF | yep. I guess you should | 17:59 |
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| panjgoori | hello everyone. can anyone tell me how to disable hardware slide to unlock button ? | 20:43 |
| panjgoori | mine i don't know its damaged or not but its keeps unlocking and locking device | 20:43 |
| panjgoori | here is the thread at TMO if anyone wants to give it a look http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1362051 | 20:44 |
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| Pali | panjgoori: look at /etc/mce/mce.ini config file | 20:48 |
| Pali | lock slide button is handled by mce | 20:48 |
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| panjgoori | thanks Pali. will give it a look now. | 20:56 |
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| panjgoori | @Pali: which settings in mce.ini do i have to edit in order to disable hardware slide to unlock ? | 21:19 |
| Pali | I do not know now | 21:19 |
| Pali | read config file it has comments/documentation | 21:19 |
| Pali | if I remember correctly in this file was able to configure "slide" action | 21:20 |
| panjgoori | @Pali: ok will give it look. if i don't understand will ask u | 21:21 |
| shentey | hi DocScrutinizer05, any update for my account? (see https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-07-24.log.html#t2013-07-24T06:51:33) | 21:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | shentey: still here? | 21:32 |
| shentey | DocScrutinizer05: yes | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shentey: I checked your garage user data and there your "extras-account" is "active" | 21:33 |
| shentey | DocScrutinizer05: I just tried today to upload a test file and I still got the error message "this is a restricted account" | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but alas our whole infra is on the brink of total global failure, so you need to tell me what exactly doesn't work for you yet, and I will have to look into it what can be done by what means, and get your feedback o every action I do | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | upload how exactly? | 21:34 |
| shentey | via scp | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what? to where? by which means? | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | scp mhm | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to? | 21:35 |
| shentey | argh, I forgot the whole command... | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | best you paste the whole cmdline | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooops | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not like I ever used scp for uploading anything to maemo during the last... 25 years | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so I need your input on that | 21:36 |
| panjgoori | @Pali: what is homekey section in mce.ini ? | 21:37 |
| shentey | DocScrutinizer05: scp test shentey@drop.maemo.org:/var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle/ | 21:37 |
| Pali | panjgoori: do not remember, maybe home button on N8x0? | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | panjgoori: relevant probably only for N8x0 | 21:37 |
| shentey | -> "This is a restricted account." | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shentey: thanks | 21:37 |
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| panjgoori | @Pali: i'm not understanding that which config should i edit in mce.ini in order to disable hardware slide to unlock. there are some settings in TKlock. | 21:44 |
| panjgoori | TKlock section in mce.ini | 21:44 |
| Pali | TKlock is maybe that | 21:45 |
| panjgoori | @Pali: should i upload mce.ini file somewhere so you can check it ? | 21:46 |
| Pali | I cannot check if file is really OK | 21:46 |
| Pali | do backup before changing | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: what could safely get uploaded to drop.m.o to test account? | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so autobuilder would ignore it | 21:48 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: is autobuilder ignoring something? | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno | 21:48 |
| Pali | I bet nothing | 21:48 |
| Pali | what you want? | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | autobuilder noob here | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shentey want to check his scp access | 21:49 |
| Pali | so you want to send something to autobuilder only for testing?ň | 21:49 |
| Pali | send package "test" | 21:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds good. could you tell shentey how to do that? | 21:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | shentey: don't you have a real package of marble to upload? | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, either it fails or it uploads, eh? | 21:53 |
| shentey | I could create a broken one for Fremantle that should build or I could create one for Harmattan that hopefully doesnt | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just please don't mess with version/revision - it should be strictly monotonic | 21:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise repo management freaks out and possibly removes stuff that's new or never stops to try remove old stuff and fails, several times a day | 21:56 |
| Earthwings_ | DocScrutinizer05: that command (uploading an empty file) works for my account at least | 21:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, seems you can upload arbitrary stuff to ~/private, and almost arbitrary stuff to ~/www | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you also could down (or evenup)load your .ssh/authorized_keys | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2 | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | .ssh/authorized_keys2 | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which looks good for shentey | 22:00 |
| shentey | scp test shentey@drop.maemo.org:private -> Permission denied | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 22:00 |
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| shentey | I chould just download the .ssh folder | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | try to upload to ~ | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not to pribvate | 22:03 |
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| shentey | it contains a authorized_keys2 file | 22:03 |
| shentey | is that correct? | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 22:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | also should include sftp? dunno | 22:04 |
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| shentey | alright, I could successfully upload the test file to ~ | 22:04 |
| FIQ | ~ask | 22:05 |
| infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I deleted it before it does some harm | 22:05 |
| FIQ | hmm what was that link | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~question | 22:05 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 22:05 |
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| FIQ | ah | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | duno wtf are those private and www dirs, they are all not owned by user | 22:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | drwx------ 2 www-data www-data 4096 Nov 2 2012 private │ | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | │drwx------ 2 www-data www-data 4096 Nov 2 2012 www │ | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | │ | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, sorry | 22:07 |
| FIQ | spaces! | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | c&p from mc ncurses | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not a brilliant idea ;-) | 22:07 |
| FIQ | haha | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shentey: if it suddenly fails, then some friggin script in maemo.org infra reverted the edit to etc/passwd I just did for your accout | 22:08 |
| shentey | DocScrutinizer05: you mean it should work now? | 22:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | err, scp seems to work | 22:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc what else will bork | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think once you have an account in drop://etc/passwd, it doesn't get updated even when user data in garage changes suggesting a different logib-"shell" | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | login-* | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thus you ended with gitsh.pl while you'd need svngitsh.pl | 22:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but of course I could be wrong and in 5 mi some cronjob reverted your account on drop back to gitsh.pl | 22:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 grabs a beverage | 22:12 | |
| win7mac | ;) | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Earthwings_: your account is OK? | 22:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | shentey: next obstacle: once a package got built, it doesn't propagate to repo automatically, you need to pester merlin1991 to propagate it manually | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik | 22:14 |
| shentey | hmm ok | 22:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so DO NOT upload and build it again, when you're not seeing it showing up in repo | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~2119 | 22:15 |
| infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. | 22:15 |
| shentey | I'll upload a (well-formed) package for Harmattan for testing | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see the purpose | 22:15 |
| Earthwings_ | DocScrutinizer05: right. but shentey wears our maemo packagers dude hat now | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Earthwings_: sure | 22:16 |
| shentey | ok | 22:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | uploading welformed bogus packages has potetial to thoroughly fsckup your project | 22:16 |
| shentey | Earthwings_: still got the bash script for creating the package? | 22:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | pali can tell you stories about packages getting stuck and never recovering ;-) | 22:17 |
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| Earthwings_ | shentey: i'm pretty sure i have, second | 22:18 |
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| inz | no, everyone splat away | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and here we are again! WB! | 22:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wow, that was funy | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | funny even | 22:19 |
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| Earthwings_ | shentey: http://paste.kde.org/p88327b9b/ Old warning still applies: Please go over it and change the hard coded values. Wasn't written to be shared originally. | 22:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ping me when new problems arise | 22:23 |
| shentey | Earthwings_: thx | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | allow for delays though, I have to throttle for overtemp today | 22:23 |
| shentey | DocScrutinizer05: alright, thx for your effort! | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my job | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (not really) | 22:23 |
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| shentey | ;) | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually we don't have anybody for that particular job yet | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it *should* be a cron-job ;-P | 22:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but "flakes rush on over and wreck it some more / And we are so dumb, they're linin' up at our door" (FZ) | 22:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I like bot the text lines and the melody of that part the most: | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | both* | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Well, our toilet went crazy yesterday afternoon | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | The plumber he says, “Never flush a tampon” | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | This great information cost me half a weeks pay and the toilet blew up later on the next day | 22:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Were coming to get ya, were coming to get ya | 22:41 |
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| Cor-Ai | gotyah! :D | 22:51 |
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