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| LjL | hi, is this still the right place to ask about the N900? (i don't really have a specific question at the moment though, i just got an N900 and i was wondering if i could get a roundup of the latest installable pieces of OS and other software) | 00:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, this for sure is the right place | 00:05 |
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| LjL | i suppose you don't get many people asking about the N900 these days :P | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | more than about anything else | 00:06 |
| win7mac | hehe | 00:07 |
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| *** DocScrutinizer05 changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | N9/harmattan related questions please in #harmattan ! | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | #maemo-ssu is where the (few) devels and maintainers of the maemo-future meet" | 00:08 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Cor-Ai: why no sound? on which platform? which browser? | 00:09 |
| Cor-Ai | DocScrutinizer05: arch but i riped the cord out on the motherboard.. it was in the way :P | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ah! | 00:12 |
| Cor-Ai | hehe :P drunk.. | 00:12 |
| Cor-Ai | I was* | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, time for booze and burger | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 00:12 |
| Cor-Ai | \o | 00:12 |
| LjL | oh, ugh, i guess i lied and i do have a specific question, is the N900 going to explode if i play with battery utilities? i'm a bit paranoid about li-ion batteries and i've just been reading about BME and the fact the N900 charges the battery in software - i'm not sure this makes me want to try any alternative OS images i might have wanted to have fun with :\ | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: no, N900 hardware is safe, you basically can't make battery harm by software | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the software support needed by hw charging is to keep charging going, as an additional safety measure | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my battery charging draft is tested since long, and just works. There's no way to completely mess up battery charging in N900, other than simply tearing it down and thus eventually ending with depleted battery (as bad as even that may be for you) | 00:20 |
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| LjL | that's a relief, a rant at http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=438 had made me fear, and then http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_BME saying, i hope as a joke, "not make the battery explode" seemed to confirm it :P | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly, in my book there#s no alternative OS worth it (except maybe mer) | 00:21 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05: that's useful to know, in fact i'm a bit confused about the current OS panorama | 00:22 |
| LjL | things have changed so many names and updates | 00:22 |
| LjL | when you say Mer, do you mean the old Mer or - if i'm correct about this - the Nemo "personality" of the new Mer? | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that first rant is factually incorrect | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, probably the new one | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (rant) Nokia does NOT do battery charging in software, and I *was* bold enough to RE it ;-) | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I proofed that it#s safe | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on a "mathematical" level | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not by any "WFM" experiments | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, Nokia actually _did_ it in sw, but not in N900. N8x0 however is another story | 00:27 |
| LjL | gotcha. i don't know who you are exactly but i do know you're aren't a random rookie around here ;) | 00:27 |
| LjL | yay! 'cause i have an N810 | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~joerg | 00:27 |
| infobot | [joerg] a natural born EE, ex HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, now mainly involved in maintenance of maemo and N900. Usually known as DocScrutinizer | 00:27 |
| LjL | well i guess i will use my N900 and *not* my N810 as a testing bed | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good plan. Though N810 has better USB hardware, the other hw parts are not on par by far with N900 | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and even USB cost me ~1 year of my life, but finally I got it to do USB hostmode which Nokia always claimed was absolutely impossible | 00:30 |
| Apic | \o/ | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it almost _was_ impssible ;-) | 00:31 |
| Apic | B-) | 00:31 |
| LjL | hehe | 00:31 |
| Apic | Person who says it is impossible should not interrupt person doing it. | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, from a corporate and product manager perspective it still is impossible | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | H-E-N is an "impossible" app | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when Nokia would have dared to suggest such an approach, they would have seen a proper shitstorm | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | high time for booze | 00:34 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Anybody know of a good cross platform to-do list/checklist program for multiple users? N900 compatible obviously. | 00:38 |
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| ecc2g | yikes, the mystery continues... I stuck my sim card and battery back into my 5230 symbian phone and it got an agps lock in seconds... checked the supl server and it was a t-mobile server (my carrier). I copied that server to my n900 and started it up again... no dice :( | 00:40 |
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| Sicelo | hmm, now that's more weird.. | 00:43 |
| Sicelo | where did the t-mobile setting come from? i mean, how did it get into the symbian at all? | 00:44 |
| ecc2g | I did not set it... must have came with the phone (it is a nuron, and is t-mobile branded) | 00:44 |
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| ecc2g | googling that server, lbs.geo.t-mobile.com, they have reported certificate errors before... it almost seems they are doing a iemi check or something | 00:46 |
| ecc2g | err... two unrelated things but nevermind | 00:46 |
| Sicelo | mystery solved then :-/ | 00:46 |
| ecc2g | that server uses a t-mobile self signed certificate... | 00:49 |
| Sicelo | i doubt maemo will be happy with such a cert | 00:50 |
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| ecc2g | hmm... install their CA cert? | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | possible | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you can extract it from sybian | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NB this is a client side cert to authenicate to the server. Exactly opposide what you normally got with https: | 00:57 |
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| AndrewX192 | solution to the N900 short battery life problem: http://i.imgur.com/bCXzf9d.jpg | 08:53 |
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| SAiF | ^^ Andrew.. LOL. | 10:04 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I find the battery fine for daily use. If I go away I take my Yoobao but this is the same with most "smartphones". | 10:17 |
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| kerio | i wonder, will this battery last 3 and a half hours with music playback through a2dp and irc over 3g? | 10:38 |
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| kerio | ah shit, i'm an idiot | 10:42 |
| kerio | i do have a second battery | 10:42 |
| kerio | at home | 10:42 |
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| drathir | kerio: this is a long time... | 12:16 |
| drathir | on battery... | 12:17 |
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| kerio | it survived | 15:17 |
| kerio | with like a third of battery left | 15:17 |
| kerio | i wasn't on IRC all the time though | 15:17 |
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| Pali | kerio: let me know if last applet & hald addon fixing your problem | 16:32 |
| kerio | ~pali | 16:34 |
| infobot | well, pali is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/ | 16:34 |
| kerio | Pali: btw, you're using a self-signed certificate on your wobsite | 16:35 |
| kerio | please don't | 16:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | HEHE | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some think it's better to allow encryption of web/html content by a uncertified selfsigned SSL-cert, maybe to avoid evil MITM attacks on their highly sensitive content | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I recently ran into a https://youtube.com link ;-P | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it actually works!! :-o | 16:41 |
| kerio | youtube's cert isn't self-signed | 16:41 |
| kerio | of course it does | 16:41 |
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| kerio | HTTPS Everywhere is neat | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course? ask your cpu what it thinks about "of course" | 16:42 |
| kerio | "this is your cpu" "this is your cpu on encryption" | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HEHE | 16:42 |
| Raimu-X_ | Depends on machine power | 16:42 |
| kerio | and presence of hw crypto | 16:42 |
| kerio | ...by the way, doesn't the n900 have hw crypto? | 16:43 |
| Raimu-X_ | I would not like to access everything on https with a n900 | 16:43 |
| kerio | Pali: aw shit, new system-services update | 16:43 |
| kerio | i'm backupping before doing anything here | 16:43 |
| NIN101 | kerio: afaik it does, and also afaik nobod got it working. | 16:43 |
| Hurrian | Raimu-X_: OMAP hw crypto is broken on the N900's SoC | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I for the life of mine couldn'zt think of a reason to download YT content in encrypted form | 16:43 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: logging in? | 16:43 |
| Raimu-X_ | Hurrian: I know that | 16:43 |
| kerio | although that's google accounts nowadays | 16:43 |
| Hurrian | it's not actually much faster than CPU encryption | 16:43 |
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| kerio | Hurrian: does it run in parallel, though? | 16:44 |
| kerio | it's the same as not using the dsp for music because the battery consumption is the same | 16:44 |
| kerio | it would still let me do more things | 16:44 |
| kerio | ~rescueOS | 16:44 |
| infobot | rescue-os is probably http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ | 16:44 |
| Hurrian | kerio: forgot, lemme lookup the benches for it | 16:44 |
| Hurrian | it was on the mailing list, iirc, ending in "needs to flash a new NOLO, might break corner cases with kernels, WONTBOTHER" | 16:45 |
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| kerio | those bug statuses should be a real thing | 16:46 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: why haven't i made a backupOS yet? | 16:49 |
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| miniyo | hi guys, my n900 is behaving badly, after rebooting into backupmenu and doing fsck.ext3 -y on home, it takes several minutes until exits with a segmentation fault :'( | 16:50 |
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| NIN101 | call tar from rescueOS, done. | 16:50 |
| kerio | NIN101: indeed | 16:51 |
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| kerio | miniyo: the stock e2fsprogs are as old as dirt | 16:51 |
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| kerio | and they probably segfault as much as dirt, too | 16:51 |
| kerio | http://academic.emporia.edu/aberjame/adv_tectonics/faults/fault29.jpg <- like this | 16:51 |
| kerio | and even with recent versions, the benefits of doing fsck on flash are uncertain at best | 16:52 |
| kerio | especially the crappy emmc we have on the n900 | 16:52 |
| kerio | mkfs and untar | 16:52 |
| miniyo | kerio: what about rescueos? | 16:52 |
| kerio | what about it? | 16:52 |
| kerio | oh | 16:53 |
| kerio | it should be slightly more recent | 16:53 |
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| miniyo | I'll try that | 16:53 |
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| kerio | your /home is toast, anyway | 16:53 |
| kerio | you ran the stock fsck on it | 16:53 |
| kerio | unpack your backup | 16:53 |
| miniyo | the backupmenu | 16:53 |
| miniyo | one | 16:53 |
| kerio | sure | 16:54 |
| kerio | that's a full backup | 16:54 |
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| miniyo | but I don't use backupmenu to backup | 16:54 |
| miniyo | so, backupmenu fsck probably has damaged even more home ? | 16:55 |
| kerio | why don't you use backupmenu to backup? | 16:55 |
| kerio | it's literally the one thing it's supposed to do | 16:55 |
| miniyo | right, I should | 16:55 |
| miniyo | but never did, I use rsync on live fs | 16:56 |
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| kerio | well | 16:56 |
| kerio | you still have a full backup then | 16:56 |
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| miniyo | yes | 16:56 |
| kerio | yay | 16:56 |
| miniyo | :) | 16:56 |
| kerio | Pali: is the new system-services confirmed working, even for differently-fstabbed people? | 16:57 |
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| kerio | Pali! | 17:04 |
| kerio | it works! | 17:04 |
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| SAiF | :) | 17:08 |
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| kerio | it's amazing! | 17:15 |
| Pali | kerio: it is not my server, but university server and we do not trust CAs :-) | 17:17 |
| Pali | kerio: yes system-services from cssu-devel should work with any, but correct fstab file | 17:17 |
| Pali | if not, report bug | 17:18 |
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| kerio | Pali: well, previous versions caused various flavours of bootloops ;) | 17:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen jacekowski | 17:32 |
| infobot | jacekowski <jacekowski@jacekowski.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #asterisk, 52d 5h 9m 5s ago, saying: 'but probably all you need is pretty much standard ivr type system'. | 17:32 |
| win7mac | ~seen Ima | 17:33 |
| infobot | win7mac: i haven't seen 'ima' | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen lma | 17:33 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i haven't seen 'lma' | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | #jollamobile, or #nemo*, iirc | 17:34 |
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| win7mac | last seen lma on tmo: 06-22-2013 | 17:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I've seen him on IRC lately, too | 17:36 |
| Pali | kerio: ok | 17:37 |
| Pali | kerio: and that problem with charger? | 17:37 |
| kerio | Pali: not sure, my battery is full now :) | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe I'm mixing up nicks | 17:37 |
| Pali | ok | 17:37 |
| win7mac | ~seen lma does not work in #jollamobile | 17:37 |
| infobot | i haven't seen 'lma does not work in #jollamobile', win7mac | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: NIN101: please consider using/exploiting your garage webspace | 17:38 |
| Pali | what? | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you know you can host files and other content on your garage project website? | 17:39 |
| NIN101 | I prefer my own server to be honest. | 17:40 |
| kerio | oh right, i have to download the new rescueOS | 17:40 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 too :-( | 17:40 | |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: my garage project website? | 17:41 |
| Pali | do I have one? | 17:41 |
| * kerio can offer hosting | 17:41 | |
| kerio | web hosting | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: well, you probably *ought* have one | 17:41 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: but he has that weird self-signed web host! | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: thanks, but that's not what we need | 17:42 |
| Pali | I'm happy with university server and specialy with admins :-) | 17:42 |
| Pali | My website is running on haskell :-) | 17:42 |
| miniyo | do you know if rescueos charging is reliable? | 17:42 |
| Pali | rescueos charging should work | 17:43 |
| miniyo | Pali: thanks | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ohgreat! so it's for sure no problem you create an automatic backup to maemo.org of your haskell website | 17:43 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: fo' srs, though, i have a guaranteed 200Mbps connection and more resources that i need, so if the need arises... | 17:43 |
| kerio | this server is a beast, and it's only used for the irc shell of the dude who's paying for it, a public nethack server, a private mumble server and some sporadic minecraft | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I doubt the benefits of moving from one non-maemo-related server to an arbitrary other one non-related server | 17:45 |
| kerio | but i have 31gb of free ram :( | 17:45 |
| Pali | and whats problem with self-signed certificate? if you have buggy web browser, do not use SSL for my webpage | 17:45 |
| kerio | hm, this makes me wonder | 17:45 |
| kerio | does chrome "accept" the self-signed cert? | 17:45 |
| kerio | by showing a broken lock icon or something | 17:46 |
| kerio | instead of showing an error page | 17:46 |
| Pali | I do not care about broken web browser | 17:46 |
| kerio | ~pali | 17:46 |
| infobot | somebody said pali was http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/ | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: not interested in your SSL. it's about backups and consolidation, saving content for times when random other servers will eventually get nuked or bork or whatever | 17:46 |
| kerio | nope, chrome shows an error page too | 17:46 |
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| kerio | safari is the quickest you can get rid of | 17:47 |
| Pali | I can proof that security via SSL is at least same as via plain text HTTP | 17:47 |
| kerio | strictly more, i'd say | 17:47 |
| kerio | ~rescueos | 17:48 |
| infobot | i heard rescue-os is http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ | 17:48 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: what are you waiting for? wget dat shit | 17:48 |
| Pali | so why broken web browser show warnings via SSL and via HTTP not?? | 17:48 |
| kerio | wget --dat-shit http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/ | 17:48 |
| Pali | somewhere is problem | 17:48 |
| NIN101 | he already wgeted rescueos. and everyone is welcome to do so. | 17:48 |
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| kerio | not rescueos, pali's things | 17:48 |
| NIN101 | oh | 17:48 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: I'm putting every package to extras-devel | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I can't do stuff like that for every of you devels out there | 17:49 |
| kerio | Pali: yeah but your website is useful too | 17:49 |
| Pali | so it is on maemo | 17:49 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: ...actually, why not? | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: when there's no additional stuff missing on maemo that lives on your private site only, then I'm fine with that | 17:49 |
| kerio | there's not! | 17:49 |
| kerio | i mean, there is! | 17:50 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: I will relase final version of rx51-bme-replacement in next weeks, info will be also on TMO | 17:50 |
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| Pali | this is I think the only one part which is not in/on cssu/extras-devel/tmo/maemo.org | 17:51 |
| Pali | btw, I will be without internet next week... | 17:51 |
| kerio | ok, mirrored pali's website | 17:52 |
| Pali | recursive wget should be enought for that | 17:52 |
| kerio | yup | 17:52 |
| kerio | Pali: omg, your rx51-bme-replacement directory is a repo | 17:54 |
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| kerio | i didn't know | 17:54 |
| Pali | yes, it is prepared for release | 17:54 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: maybe apt repo for bme replacement could be candidate for garage maemo hosting | 17:56 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: is this possible? | 17:56 |
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| miniyo | kerio: a curious note: 15G inside lost+found after fsck | 17:57 |
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| miniyo | I managed to run a debian 7 chroot fsck.ext3, but after the damage was done with stock one | 17:58 |
| kerio | miniyo: fun! | 17:58 |
| miniyo | yea | 17:58 |
| kerio | anyway, http://pali.acehack.de | 17:58 |
| miniyo | which is the correct way to fsck root? it's fs type is ubifs, is fsck.ext3 the right tool? | 17:58 |
| kerio | no | 17:59 |
| kerio | it would be fsck.ubifs | 17:59 |
| kerio | if it existed | 17:59 |
| kerio | but it doesn't | 17:59 |
| miniyo | may I lol? | 17:59 |
| Pali | miniyo: ubifs has in kernel fsck | 17:59 |
| miniyo | oh, good to know, thanks | 17:59 |
| kerio | yeah, there's builtin recovery of some sorts | 17:59 |
| kerio | and some background garbage collector, too | 17:59 |
| kerio | extfs also has a builtin recovery mechanism | 18:00 |
| kerio | but sometimes it's not enough | 18:00 |
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| miniyo | I'll do regular offline fsck.ext3 on home from now on | 18:00 |
| kerio | cssu has a more recent e2fsprogs version | 18:00 |
| Pali | miniyo: in cssu-devel there is support for it | 18:01 |
| kerio | miniyo: but homefs is barely 3gb | 18:01 |
| miniyo | I'm on cssu-testing | 18:01 |
| kerio | fsck is going to be slower than tar&&mkfs&&untar | 18:01 |
| miniyo | my Mydocs was shrink to 2Gb, and home grown to eat it all | 18:01 |
| Pali | :D | 18:02 |
| miniyo | yea, it is a joke having a full linux mobile, and using fat | 18:02 |
| kerio | meh, MyDocs keeps my music | 18:02 |
| Pali | and worse joke is using ptp/mtp | 18:02 |
| kerio | just use ntp | 18:04 |
| kerio | er | 18:04 |
| kerio | nfs | 18:04 |
| kerio | don't use ntp to transfer files | 18:04 |
| kerio | it's not meant to do that | 18:04 |
| Pali | kerio: you do not need to backup whoole site, just maemo projects is maybe enough... | 18:04 |
| kerio | Pali: it's much easier to do everything | 18:04 |
| kerio | and your website is less than 2MB | 18:04 |
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| Pali | ok, just to prevent spam harvesters... | 18:05 |
| kerio | "More ISPs and other servers monitoring network traffic, so do not forget to encrypt message with my GPG key 03E44352!" | 18:07 |
| kerio | are they monitoring us now? D: | 18:07 |
| kerio | like if i said, hypothetically, bomb the pentagon | 18:07 |
| kerio | or illegal plutonium | 18:08 |
| kerio | or barbra streisand | 18:08 |
| Raimu-X_ | Or I missed the landing teaching in my flight school | 18:08 |
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| Pali | NSA for sure | 18:15 |
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| miniyo | wow, rsync from rescueOS to root/home, I'm back to the past | 18:34 |
| miniyo | but everything works | 18:34 |
| miniyo | backup is made from live system, with rsync also, never tried a restore :D | 18:34 |
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| Guest99485 | my powertop states c0 98.5 percent but i cannot find any culprit process behind it. please help | 19:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | Guest99485 - have you relogged under another name? | 21:18 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I did wonder this, if so pastebin your powertop OP | 21:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management | 21:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | unplug charger | 21:33 |
| SpeedEvil | That too, yeah. | 21:33 |
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| NeutrinoPower | did someone used the internal serial-Port of the N900? can I control the N900 through this COM-Port or have I to enable this port? | 23:15 |
| SpeedEvil | What do you mean by internal serial port? | 23:16 |
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| Lava_Croft | NeutrinoPower: http://elektranox.org/n900/adapter/index.html | 23:20 |
| NeutrinoPower | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking | 23:21 |
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| NeutrinoPower | will I have a terminal with this RS232-interface after booting? | 23:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | In principle, yes, if you use an appropriate voltage adaptor, and have a kernel which is configured to do so. | 23:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Why? | 23:29 |
| Lava_Croft | hey look, http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8vKnSx_cPW0 | 23:30 |
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| Lava_Croft | cm getting a decent camera app | 23:30 |
| * SpeedEvil can't youtube right now. | 23:31 | |
| SpeedEvil | Stupid lighning killed my DSL | 23:31 |
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| LjL | i'm trying to understand how good a shape my (just bought used) N900's battery is in... bit confused, because the first time i charged it, it charged to 96% (>1200-ish mah), then today it charged to 80% (~1000mah), but then i unplugged the charger and connected it again (even though it was saying "fully charged") and it reached 95% again | 23:52 |
| LjL | i don't have advanced power monitor installed, though i had it for a short time yesterday and there might be leftovers. i have battery-eye, BatteryGraph and a battery widget installed | 23:53 |
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| ShadowJK | They're all rather flippant | 23:56 |
| ShadowJK | And only accurate with fresh battery :) | 23:56 |
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