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| sixwheeledbeast | Plus they eat battery. good for watching an application eat you juice. | 00:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: get bq27k-detail and/or bq27200.sh | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bq27k-detail | 00:19 |
| infobot | i heard bq27k-detail is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2 | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it might lie to you as well, but at least it tells when it lies | 00:20 |
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| * LjL gets | 00:21 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but in the end of a day, it doesn't really matter what's (been) the charge of your battery. All that matters is how long your device could run without charging | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and believe me, very simple little changes in your usage patterns will have way more impact to that standby-figure than any difference between 80% and 95%, no matter if perceived/bogus or real | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | e.g shutting down LCD backlight brightness by one step might already double your battery-lifetime | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NOT using battery-eye and other similar meters may increase standby time by factor 5 or more | 00:24 |
| ecc2g | is battery-eye that bad in terms of power consumption? wow... | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management | 00:27 |
| ecc2g | I was thinking about all the writes it needs to do, that definitely doesn't help. | 00:27 |
| LjL | well i didn't intent to keep battery-eye and BatteryGraph installed indefinitely, this is basically... well, partly a green light to give the seller positive feedback :P | 00:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Any battery monitor application will use process to log the data, use for diagnoses but not long term IMO. Best tool is powertop really. | 00:29 |
| LjL | yeah that wiki page mentions powertop, that's a good hint, i knew about it but probably wouldn't have occurred to me | 00:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Battery monitors don't use perceptible power, if written correctly. | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | powertop doesn't help for hw sanity checks | 00:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Logging power every minute or so does not use noticable power. | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's been that healthcheck app | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: yeah, but those I checked so far very often had quirks | 00:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | like unconditionally updating graphic display 10/s | 00:31 |
| LjL | BatteryGraph has an "update" button, i don't think it updates the display otherwise, and besides, you don't have to keep the actual GUI app running. the background process, though... i have no idea how efficient it is | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, THAT will need powertop to tell you | 00:33 |
| LjL | heh yep | 00:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | generally lightweight processes are not too bad to battery, even when awaking once per second | 00:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | writing to flash otoh... | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | flash writing is not exactly humble on power | 00:34 |
| LjL | the N900's keyboard could use a bunch more keys, methinks | 00:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | with bq27200.sh you can do a simple "test" (rather, experiment): run bq27200.sh 30, and then run it with parameter 5. First one will give you idle figures since it always reads out values of past 5s window. so obviously the second reads own power consumption of last cycle | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while thanks to beauty of unix and maemo, a sleep nnn doesn't consume any power at all | 00:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - with properly working power saving wifi - the above sleep 30/... - showing over wifi/ssh - will not use appreciably more power | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so you could have 50 "running" scripts that all wait on a sleep 3600 and your power consumption is exactly like on a completely idle system | 00:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: that too. Note that SpeedEvil did large parts (~90%) of wiki power info | 00:40 |
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| ecc2g | I suspect that battery-eye sleeps a lot, but it definitely needs to write to flash. I guess I will have to see if I get 5x standby if I disable it... | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a while :; do :; done though... :-o | 00:42 |
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| ecc2g | :(){:;:&};: ? | 00:42 |
| ecc2g | (if I remember it correctly... ugh.) | 00:42 |
| ecc2g | (btw, dont try this, please...) | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | looks correct | 00:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | err, maybe not | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd probably write it like :(){:&;:};: | 00:45 |
| ecc2g | yeah that's probably better | 00:45 |
| ecc2g | looks like the original one uses | and not ; for the internal function which makes more sense | 00:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | umm | 00:48 |
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| ecc2g | I also wonder if messybox/ash knows how to run this :) (then again, this should be standard bourne shell...) | 00:52 |
| LjL | so, i was reading http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1053809&postcount=846 and am now looking at the bq27k-detail2 output... VDQ = 1, CI = 1, is my understanding correct that this means i should probably let the phone discharge fully without charging it or shutting it down, and after that the battery logic should hopefully be better calibrated? | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ecc2g: I bet busybox *will* run this | 01:01 |
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| ecc2g | yeah i suspect it should, as it's only standard bourne shell versus having bashisms | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while I doubt it would run the cure trap "" SIGHUP; while killall -sighup busybox; do :; done | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I had to kill dbus-scripting this way, when I was silly enough to place the script into the hooks config dir | 01:06 |
| ecc2g | LjL: word of warning, make sure you kill bme before it drops to around 3.4V, else it will shutdown and never hit EDV1... | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's actually amazing how usable maemo still is with such kind of fork bomb running | 01:07 |
| ecc2g | interesting... | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: err yes. | 01:09 |
| ecc2g | honestly i've never forkbombed a computer before, i'll have to try it on one of my junk computers. | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check dir where you got bq27k-detail from, it should also have a script for calibrating | 01:09 |
| LjL | ecc2g: ah, so that page's instructions weren't just so that fancy numbers would show up :P the system doesn't care about the battery being calibrated i guess | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, system doesn't care | 01:10 |
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| LjL | DocScrutinizer05: that's bq27200.sh no? | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1247595#post1247595 | 01:11 |
| LjL | ah | 01:12 |
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| LjL | Last Measured Discharge: 1844mAh - err, right :D | 01:17 |
| ecc2g | I got something like that when I first got my n900 | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cycles since last learning is interesting | 01:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: since calibration is max 1/8 down per learning cycle, you actually might need to run several learning cycles til you reach a correct value for LMD | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~1844/8*7 | 01:21 |
| infobot | 1613.5 | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~1613/8*7 | 01:21 |
| infobot | 1411.375 | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | two or three | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 1844 might be ILMD, which you get after full reset (battery removed for extended periods of time) | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see "cycles since last full reset" | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if both cycle counts are identical, then you obviously have to have ILMD as LMD | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw I wrote that little fancy for kerio, who since might have improved it | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ecc2g: how about forkbombing a VM? | 01:27 |
| ecc2g | what fun would that be? :D | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 01:27 |
| ecc2g | you know, forkbomb ... UML! HAHAHAHA | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | UML like unified modeling language? | 01:28 |
| ecc2g | user mode linux... a fake VM | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah | 01:29 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 just wondered how to describe a forkbomb in UML | 01:29 | |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05: heh i was reading an IRC log from this channel with you and kerio just now, where someone had a 2.7V battery that didn't "flatbatrecover" | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ummm | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly defect | 01:33 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05: "Total Cycle Count since last full reset" is indeed 0, i don't know if the fact i factory reset the phone also influences that | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, doesn't | 01:33 |
| LjL | it's very possible the guy who sold it to me hadn't used it in quite some time, and wisely kept the battery disconnected, anyway | 01:33 |
| LjL | although he didn't seem a very "wise" guy considering he had left his ebay login data on the MicroB history :rollseyes: | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-P | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though: | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 0x76: 45 ILMD Initial Last Measured Discharge High Byte 914 µVh (1) R/W | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *0x100 * 3.57 / 20 = 2062 mAh fabcoded cell capacity | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~2062*7/8 | 01:36 |
| infobot | 1804.25 | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | close | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~1844/8*9 | 01:42 |
| infobot | 2074.5 | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~2062*5/6 | 01:42 |
| infobot | 1718.333333333333 | 01:42 |
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| kerio | i have the fancy .py script if you want | 01:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, that should live on cloud-7, next to the others | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn, there's also been a perl script or sth | 01:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/ | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I think your python lib is missing | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: please also suggest where it should go to. /usr/lib/python/ ? | 02:03 |
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| GI_Jack | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nokia-N950-Silver-Prototype-/261230401221?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item3cd28b96c5 | 03:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 04:01 |
| NeutrinoPower | I would buy it if this has OLEDs | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hey I got a Openmoko GTA03 development protoboard | 04:03 |
| GI_Jack | if I remember correctly the only one with fairly intresting hardware specs was the GTA04 | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | offers solicited | 04:04 |
| GI_Jack | DocScrutinizer05, $5 and a pack of chewing gum | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there never been a openmoko gta04 | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only plans | 04:06 |
| GI_Jack | well golden delicious | 04:06 |
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| GI_Jack | http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/ | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* do yu think I dunno this page :-) | 04:07 |
| NeutrinoPower | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XO-3 this with Mirasol-Display would be awesome too | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I even got a gta04 | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but that's not sth particularly exciting, that you could ask 4000$ for | 04:08 |
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| Luke-Jr | W: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 | 07:15 |
| Luke-Jr | is there a fix for this yet? <.< | 07:16 |
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| drathir | Luke-Jr: i think no, because if good remember keys not going to be updated, but who knows maybe in future? anway to confirmation of that you need wait to someone else... | 07:46 |
| Luke-Jr | bah, finally got x11vnc compiled for N900 and now the screensaver thing is killing me | 07:52 |
| Luke-Jr | :/ | 07:52 |
| Luke-Jr | any way to turn on the display? | 07:52 |
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| Luke-Jr | seems xset doesn't help | 07:58 |
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| drathir | Luke-Jr: maybe kill xscreensaver? | 08:15 |
| Luke-Jr | no such app runnign | 08:17 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: my lib is also the script | 11:50 |
| kerio | because python is cool | 11:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know | 11:51 |
| kerio | it should go in the path i guess | 11:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then toolnpatches | 11:52 |
| kerio | or you'd have to launch it with `python -m bq27k` | 11:52 |
| kerio | if it was in python's sys.path | 11:52 |
| kerio | k | 11:53 |
| kerio | hold on, i'll put the latest somewhere | 11:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | k | 11:54 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: acehack.de/bq27k.py | 11:55 |
| kerio | it won't work without pali's bq27k module though | 11:55 |
| kerio | but you can just change Bq27kAuto to spam i2c-get | 11:55 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: wgetted? | 11:56 |
| kerio | i should make a /~kerio/ directory in that web server | 11:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yup | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 4 hos-bb2.juniper2.rz19.hetzner.de (213.239.240.164) 0.991 ms hos-bb2.juniper1.rz19.hetzner.de (213.239.240.163) 5.887 ms 5.882 ms | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 5 hos-tr1.ex3k11.rz19.hetzner.de (213.239.242.140) 5.177 ms hos-tr4.ex3k11.rz19.hetzner.de (213.239.231.44) 5.170 ms 5.154 ms | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 6 acehack.de (144.76.18.74) 0.893 ms 0.790 ms 0.882 ms | 12:04 |
| kerio | :D | 12:04 |
| kerio | dat hetzner | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 15.416 --.-K/s in 0s | 12:05 |
| kerio | ok, acehack.de/~kerio/ is now my web space | 12:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/cbb6215052 | 12:06 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: let's test the internal throughput! | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | go ahead | 12:10 |
| kerio | send whatever to acehack.de 31337 | 12:10 |
| kerio | nc acehack.de 31337 < /dev/zero | 12:11 |
| kerio | hm | 12:11 |
| kerio | wait | 12:11 |
| kerio | we won't know how fast it goes | 12:11 |
| kerio | meh, wget something maybe | 12:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: wget some shit from maeom.cloud-7.de | 12:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wiki.xml is 700MB | 12:12 |
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| kerio | k | 12:13 |
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| kerio | mmmh | 12:15 |
| kerio | 7MB/s | 12:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | poor | 12:15 |
| kerio | i feel underwhelmed | 12:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ohwell, it's a VM | 12:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get sth from skeiron ;-) | 12:17 |
| kerio | k | 12:17 |
| kerio | is it also hetzner? | 12:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but other caliber | 12:18 |
| kerio | i wonder if my local connection is a bottleneck | 12:18 |
| kerio | because wget tries to write the progressbar | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 12:19 |
| kerio | nope | 12:19 |
| Wizzup | hmm | 12:19 |
| kerio | 70MB/s | 12:19 |
| Wizzup | I think my n900 front led died | 12:19 |
| kerio | :D | 12:19 |
| Wizzup | It doesn't notify me anymore, and it also doesn't light when charging | 12:19 |
| kerio | that's more like it | 12:19 |
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| Wizzup | (and notifications etc are turned on) | 12:19 |
| kerio | Wizzup: does it turn on when turning the n900 on? | 12:20 |
| Wizzup | and let me check | 12:20 |
| Wizzup | :-) | 12:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: removed battery? | 12:20 |
| Wizzup | kerio: no | 12:20 |
| Wizzup | does not turn on | 12:20 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: just did before turning it on again | 12:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | too bad | 12:20 |
| kerio | signs point to hw defect :c | 12:20 |
| Wizzup | oh well | 12:21 |
| Wizzup | no biggie.. | 12:21 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: 70MB/s is seriously fast | 12:22 |
| kerio | i can do about 20MB/s from my local nas to my computer in my lan :s | 12:22 |
| kerio | all gbit | 12:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/selftest | 12:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: ^^^ | 12:25 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: no such file | 12:27 |
| Wizzup | (though the directory exists) | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so I gather your kbd backlight is dead too | 12:28 |
| Wizzup | I think so | 12:28 |
| Wizzup | yes | 12:28 |
| kerio | that's more of a problem | 12:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# lsmod |grep 5523 | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | leds_lp5523 9984 0 | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | led_class 2948 2 leds_twl4030_vibra,leds_lp5523 | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | modinfo leds_lp5523 | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | modprobe -r leds_lp5523; modprobe leds_lp5523 | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tail /var/log/syslog | 12:33 |
| kerio | IRC is eating through my battery | 12:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 12:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | quassel maybe | 12:37 |
| kerio | i swear | 12:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or 3G | 12:37 |
| kerio | well yeah | 12:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reminds me that I still have a long pending tedious annoying debugging task | 12:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | find out about how xchat suddenly diesn't detect keepalive-timeouts after roaming | 12:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | planned to use tshark for that | 12:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but maybe... I just should temporarily discard ZNC | 12:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I swear I dunno any other reason but ZNC update to 1.x.y | 12:41 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: the lsmod, is that related to my led problem? | 12:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and there's evidently no single time value in .xchat2/* that could explain those 2h delay | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: sure | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as well as the other 3 commands | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: http://privatepaste.com/61a67311cb | 12:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for your reference | 12:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm afraid your LP5523 is fried | 12:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though I heard about similar hickups that were sw-related | 12:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can agan remove battery, then push power button when battery out | 12:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | short the outer two battery contact blades of N900 with a penny | 12:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait a minute | 12:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then insert battery, push powerbutton and see if white breathing light shortly ramps up. do NOT power up device, i.e. releae button after 1s | 12:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plug in fastcharger and see if it gives a ultrashort dim red flashing | 12:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually amber but it looks redish | 12:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | either on plug in or on removal of charger plug | 12:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is hw independent of LP5523 | 12:49 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: ok, give me a few minutes | 12:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 12:51 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: heh. I don't seem to have syslog (in /var/log) | 12:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | use dmesg | 12:53 |
| Wizzup | hmhm | 12:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather apt-get install sysklog | 12:53 |
| Wizzup | yeah the ls -l doesn't show the leds @ my machine | 12:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NB lp5523 is connected directly to battery. no sw reboot will reset it | 12:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not teliably | 12:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reliably | 12:54 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: wow... | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only way to reset: remove battery and make sure there's no more residual voltage left in buffer capacitors. Thus: push power button when battery out, short battery contacts of N900 | 12:55 |
| Wizzup | I took out the battery | 12:55 |
| Wizzup | started it | 12:55 |
| Wizzup | put battery back in | 12:55 |
| Wizzup | boom, led | 12:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 12:56 |
| Wizzup | Let's hope it lasts | 12:56 |
| Wizzup | yay | 12:56 |
| Wizzup | keyboard backlight | 12:56 |
| Wizzup | \o/\o/ | 12:56 |
| * Wizzup hugs DocScrutinizer05 | 12:56 | |
| Wizzup | virtually | 12:56 |
| Wizzup | ah, lost the time & date again ofc ;-) | 12:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's kind of been the purpose of this procedure ;-) | 12:57 |
| Wizzup | yep | 12:57 |
| Wizzup | at some point I got so fast at switching batteries (other n900 where I have to replace usb) that I could replace them without losing power | 12:57 |
| Wizzup | tg showed me the trick | 12:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the slide-it-under "trick" | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whoever tg | 12:58 |
| Wizzup | yes | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, tg is a user in here | 13:00 |
| Wizzup | hehe | 13:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you're interested to do a little soldering fancy - I have a ~20 ~bupbat here | 13:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bupbat | 13:01 |
| infobot | methinks bupbat is use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months, or http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/PAS414HR-VG1/587-2157-1-ND/1959153, or https://hbe-shop.de/KONDENSATOR006F-33V-STAKED-COIN | 13:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shipping worldwide for a 3EUR donation to maemo per cell | 13:02 |
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| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: okay, I'll think about it | 13:08 |
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| Wizzup | I have so much other stuff on my mind right now -- I'll think about this later | 13:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | np | 13:18 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: hi | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1362538#post1362538 | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: hi | 13:19 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: finally I'm back, I hope later today and tomorrow to have free time to start working on the autobuilder issues | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 13:19 |
| freemangordon | (assuming I become the maintainer :)) | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | consider it done, master | 13:20 |
| freemangordon | hehe | 13:20 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: ok, I'll ping you some 3-5 hours from now | 13:20 |
| Wizzup | btw... | 13:22 |
| Wizzup | I'm trying to get rip the libflashplayer.so from the n900 .. | 13:22 |
| Wizzup | to get it to work on my armv7 odroid gnu/linux desktop | 13:22 |
| Wizzup | Has a few dependencies on hildon libs, but maybe I'll just copy them over and see if everything breaks... | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: I think there been a generic flashplayer lib directly from those guys errr adobe? compiled for ARM/OMAP | 13:26 |
| Wizzup | there is? | 13:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, flash10 | 13:26 |
| Wizzup | ah, let me see if I can find it | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I never bothered about it since it reportedly didn't work great with N900, but that's no surprise since it not been meant for n900 specifically. rather for beagleboard or whatever | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.tizenexperts.com/2011/02/flash-10-1-nokia-n900-maemo/ | 13:29 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: ah, odroid has four cores though | 13:29 |
| Wizzup | so it should be okay | 13:29 |
| Wizzup | odroid-u2 specifically | 13:29 |
| Wizzup | DocScrutinizer05: I can't find the dropbox link | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should be somewhere on tmo | 13:31 |
| Wizzup | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4815558/libflashplayer.so | 13:32 |
| Wizzup | here we go | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MMMPFHH | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ** PROBLEM Service Alert: www.maemo.org/HTTP is CRITICAL ** | 13:36 |
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| Hurrian | ohai DocScrutinizer05. | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hai | 13:42 |
| Hurrian | welp, N900's eMMC is dead. | 13:42 |
| Hurrian | no, it's not a solder fault, the chip is simply dead. | 13:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: :-/ | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: we once talked somebody thru total swap between eMMC and uSD | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wasn't exactly simple to find out how to accomplish it, but finally it worked iirc | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: however, you actually could get repair for that. the eMMC chip is not hard to source, and reflow for that particular chip seems feasible | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though the chip body is huge, it has relatively small ball-count | 14:32 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 only wishes he could get proper SnPbCuAg solder paste | 14:33 | |
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| kerio | Wizzup: hold on, you had some weird problem and you didn't try to powercycle? | 14:50 |
| Wizzup | what can I say, I'm a software guy, I don't expect restarts to ``make it work'' | 14:51 |
| Wizzup | (at least for everything I write) | 14:51 |
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| kerio | state machines be crazy | 14:53 |
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| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: using uSD as eMMC? yep, done that | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fine | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: Wizzup: this particular one is NOT fixable with a silly powercycle | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need to make sure... MEH wrote that above | 15:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-27 11:54:31] <DocScrutinizer05> NB lp5523 is connected directly to battery. no sw reboot will reset it - not reliably. only way to reset: remove battery and make sure there's no more residual voltage left in buffer capacitors. Thus: push power button when battery out, short battery contacts of N900 | 15:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lp5523 has a complete little cpu inside | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and no nRESET input driven from APE/SoC | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can it lock up? dman sure it can! | 15:22 |
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| LjL | what is this, Flash lockups aren't fixed unless you short the battery contacts? O.o why do backlogs always seem to make much much less sense than reading conversations while they happen :P | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | flash lockups? | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they make less sense since you don't get the point | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it been about lp5523, not about flash | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on a sidenote, similar problem might occur with lis302 accelerometer | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though there a proper shutdown and then reboot should usually fix it | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (not connected to battery but to a switched Vsys) | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a simple reboot (without powering down the system for a few seconds) might not suffice to reset lis302 and thus fix decalibration | 15:34 |
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| LjL | DocScrutinizer05: i realize didn't get the point, i was just saying that's what happens when you (well, i at least) read backlogs as opposed to following a realtime conversation, things get mixed up :P | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously | 15:55 |
| LjL | ah so lp5523 is the LED controller | 15:57 |
| LjL | funny that it would be so separate from the rest of the phone | 15:58 |
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| LjL | alright time to check whether the N900's battery has survived the night | 16:29 |
| LjL | seems it has. qbatterywidget said 60% when i went to bed, 49% now. this seems much better than the other day, when i had battery-eye installed | 16:30 |
| LjL | i still have BatteryGraph installed though | 16:30 |
| kerio | hm, is pali already on vacation? | 16:30 |
| kerio | because that would mean that my hald-addon-bme is going to stay fucked up until he's back ._. | 16:30 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, can you tell me which powertop i should install? apparently there's a bunch of versions scattered around | 16:30 |
| LjL | kerio: is that the "replacement BME" in Mer? | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: I'm not aware of the multiple versions. Please point me to them | 16:32 |
| kerio | LjL: i don't think so | 16:32 |
| kerio | but maybe? | 16:32 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05: moment, i had the relevant pages open yesterday | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, mer still using some proprietary nokia hack done for stskeeps to keep original bme, afaik | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stskeeps been *very* much chicken about using charge21.sh or similar approach | 16:33 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05: http://maemo.org/packages/view/powertop/ has a "free" and a "non-free" thing listed, plus there's this thread with scattered ZIPs and the like http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37102&page=3 | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno if they differ at all | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never heard anybody complaining about unusual behaviour of "his version" | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway mine spews out "Powertop 1.13.3" on start | 16:35 |
| kerio | ~pkg | 16:36 |
| infobot | rumour has it, pkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# powertop --help all | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Powertop 1.13.3 | 16:36 |
| * kerio is saddened by the lack of libicd-network-pan | 16:36 | |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05: so probably the one in PR1.0... not sure if this is correct, but i got the impression powertop was included in PR1.0 but then removed by default later | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | possibly, yes | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds about right | 16:38 |
| * kerio loves his 1574mAh battery | 16:40 | |
| kerio | it's a lot of battery! | 16:40 |
| LjL | kerio: what battery is that? | 16:41 |
| kerio | an orange one | 16:41 |
| kerio | without a name | 16:41 |
| LjL | scary | 16:42 |
| kerio | scarily good you mean | 16:42 |
| kerio | it was on aliexpress.com | 16:42 |
| kerio | vi___ recommended it | 16:42 |
| LjL | no i mean scary, but i'm paranoid so you might want to ignore my opinion | 16:42 |
| Lava_Croft | 1555mAh here | 16:42 |
| kerio | highfive o/ | 16:42 |
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| kerio | it was sold as a 1700mAh battery | 16:43 |
| kerio | but i knew it was around 1600 | 16:43 |
| Lava_Croft | sold as 1500 | 16:43 |
| Lava_Croft | 2 calibrations later it said 1555 | 16:43 |
| kerio | calibrated at? | 16:44 |
| Lava_Croft | using the scripts from tmo | 16:44 |
| Raimu | Hilarious things, these el cheapo batteries. | 16:44 |
| kerio | yeah but which power draw? | 16:44 |
| Lava_Croft | the recommended | 16:44 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont have the numbers anymore | 16:44 |
| kerio | backlight at 5? | 16:44 |
| Lava_Croft | yes | 16:44 |
| Lava_Croft | always on | 16:45 |
| kerio | yeah | 16:45 |
| Lava_Croft | it had no sim inserted | 16:45 |
| Lava_Croft | but wifi was on | 16:45 |
| Lava_Croft | the calibs differed about 2mah from each other:) | 16:45 |
| kerio | paliiiiiiiiii | 16:45 |
| kerio | goddammit this hald-addon-bme is annoyhin | 16:46 |
| kerio | ying | 16:46 |
| kerio | because my battery stays at 100% for a quarter of the capacity | 16:46 |
| kerio | according to the battery applet | 16:46 |
| Raimu | 1666/1308mAh | 16:47 |
| Raimu | It is over nine thousand. | 16:47 |
| kerio | Raimu: that's like a 25% mistake | 16:48 |
| kerio | that's a pretty big deal | 16:48 |
| Raimu | I wish the old scriprs worked on bmerep, I could just drop in a desktop widget that updates on press | 16:53 |
| Raimu | *scripts | 16:54 |
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| kerio | Raimu: http://acehack.de/~kerio/bq27k.py | 16:56 |
| Raimu | Oh! | 16:57 |
| kerio | python -c 'print __import__("bq27k").Bq27kAuto().CSOC' | 16:58 |
| kerio | or something similar | 16:58 |
| kerio | python -c 'import bq27k; print "%s%%" % bq27k.Bq27kAuto().CSOC' | 16:59 |
| kerio | or make a script | 16:59 |
| Raimu | Yup | 17:00 |
| Raimu | This'll do, thanks! | 17:00 |
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| kerio | or, hell | 17:00 |
| kerio | much easier | 17:00 |
| kerio | cat /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/capacity | 17:01 |
| kerio | without being wastefuk | 17:01 |
| kerio | l | 17:01 |
| kerio | i'm not sure if you can make it follow changes to a file easily | 17:01 |
| Raimu | derp | 17:02 |
| kerio | but sysnodes should support inotify | 17:02 |
| Raimu | Uh, I didn't even know those readings can be viewed from there | 17:04 |
| Raimu | 2hat a neophyte | 17:04 |
| LjL | is the reason why there's a different channel for harmattan technical or political? | 17:06 |
| Raimu | Different topics | 17:11 |
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| LjL | well but isn't Harmattan technically a version of Maemo? | 17:18 |
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| Lava_Croft | but they differ enough to warrant different channels | 17:26 |
| Lava_Croft | lest people get too confused | 17:26 |
| psycho_oreos | Asking that is almost like asking whether should harmattan be part of, meego or maemo. :p. Meego devs wouldn't claim harmattan as an actual meego project (nokia called it a "meego instance"), Maemo.. well.. the device and ecosystem is remarkably different even though to an extent a fair proportion of harmattan was based on maemo. | 17:30 |
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| psycho_oreos | The split between #harmattan and #maemo originally existed because of selected few devs got their hands on N950. At that time they thouoght it would be cool to form their own channel for the "elite" :p | 17:32 |
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| eddyb | hi | 17:35 |
| eddyb | where is the config for osso-xterm stored? | 17:35 |
| Sicelo | gconf | 17:35 |
| eddyb | I did something stupid (increased the scrollback to infinite amounts) and now I only have ssh access | 17:35 |
| eddyb | Sicelo: thanks | 17:36 |
| eddyb | gconftool-2 -g /apps/osso/xterm/scrollback | 17:37 |
| eddyb | 2147483647 | 17:37 |
| Sicelo | lol | 17:37 |
| Raimu | Infinite Scrolling Mode ;) | 17:37 |
| * psycho_oreos wonders if osso-xterm would die due to malloc error with that huge scrollback buffer. | 17:39 | |
| LjL | psycho_oreos: so, political :P i wish i had applied for a free N950 as a developer when that was possible, but i felt i wouldn't be able to develop much for it so i didn't even try... not so much to be part of any "elite" but, hey, it looks like an interesting phone | 17:39 |
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| psycho_oreos | LjL, it was political back then, they started getting lax about it all afterwards and now (amongst other similar channels) are serving as a living relic. Also you aren't the only one to miss out on N950. | 17:41 |
| LjL | i'm sure i'm not | 17:41 |
| LjL | there's the N9 but honestly, i don't care much for keyboardless phones | 17:42 |
| LjL | my other phone aside from the N900 (which i'm not sure whether i will use as my main phone yet) is a Motorola Milestone, specced very similar to the N900 but running Android | 17:43 |
| psycho_oreos | I loathed the design of n9, I still hate it even though nokia no longer cares about their little niche community they've brought up. | 17:43 |
| psycho_oreos | I came across an interesting motorola device recently (motorola defy), it ran android froyo and had this somewhat annoying thing known as motoblur. | 17:44 |
| LjL | i think my Milestone's Android was relatively vanilla without Motoblur, but not sure since i've been using a CM-based ROM on it for ages now | 17:46 |
| LjL | i wish my carrier offered the ability to have two SIMs on the same number so i wouldn't have to decide whether to use the N900 or the Milestone as main :P | 17:46 |
| psycho_oreos | That's one good way to get rid of the annoying motoblur. | 17:46 |
| eddyb | psycho_oreos: the first time I changed that, the phone rebooted or something | 17:47 |
| eddyb | psycho_oreos: xterm doesn't start at all with that setting :( | 17:47 |
| Sicelo | what setting? | 17:48 |
| psycho_oreos | Ultimately it boils down to personal taste, to me N900 is incomparable to literally any other devices (apart from N950 but only just). | 17:48 |
| eddyb | the ridiculously large scrollback buffer | 17:48 |
| LjL | do people typically have Extras-devel enabled these days given Extras doesn't seem *very* alive, or is it still "the odd package when really needed"? | 17:48 |
| * psycho_oreos still has extras-devel enabled, not through HAM though. | 17:49 | |
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| psycho_oreos | eddyb, yeah sounds almost like issues with malloc and probably something to do with heap overflow. | 17:49 |
| LjL | psycho_oreos: well, i'm currently questioning my own taste... both Android and Maemo have their good points i think, Maemo gives a Linuxy fuzzy feeling but lacks some smartphone-oriented things Android has, as far as i can see - and then there's the hardware itself, the N900 looks a bit flimsy, being all plastic and with a resistive screen i think i've already scratched by just looking at it. the Milestone is mostly metal | 17:50 |
| LjL | ah and so far there seems to be a compelling argument about GPS navigation on Android for me, although i haven't really investigated what's available for the N900 too well | 17:51 |
| Raimu | LjL: On n900 you can install a java-running Google Maps with some trickery, it's the best GPS map I have on the platform. | 17:52 |
| Sicelo | lol LjL .. what's plasticky between N900 & any samsung? | 17:52 |
| LjL | Sicelo: i don't know, but i don't have a Samsung | 17:53 |
| psycho_oreos | LjL, undoubtably N900 is not really comparable in phone capabilities. Many people including myself has said the same thing time and time after time. N900 is not a phone, its an internet tablet with phone functionality. N900 maybe frail but it still has some of the coolest things such as direct access to the raw hardware itself. Things like fcam taking advantage of raw access to camera module, wl1251 (ported from compat-wireless) allows one to do wi | 17:53 |
| psycho_oreos | reless pentesting and fmtxd that can be modded to broadcast on other channels. | 17:53 |
| Sicelo | anyway, as you said: taste | 17:54 |
| kerio | for navigation, there's modrana | 17:55 |
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| psycho_oreos | It always boils down to taste :) | 17:55 |
| kerio | for maps, there's... idk | 17:55 |
| LjL | psycho_oreos: i was just going to investigate the FM tx, it doesn't seem to work at all here so far, but i tried it briefly | 17:55 |
| LjL | kerio: i'm more interested in navigation than plain maps, i really need that because my sense of orientation is mostly... completely lacking :( Android has some really nice programs, although none of the open source ones are particularly nice so it's either Google Maps, Waze or commercial offerings like Sygic | 17:56 |
| LjL | there's an open source one that might not be too bad on faster phones, but on my Milestone it's just unusable | 17:56 |
| psycho_oreos | LjL, that sort of reminds me to test and see if the patched fmtxd that I had from awhile ago still works. Alas I have too many things I need to attend to with my N900(s). | 17:57 |
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| LjL | psycho_oreos: weird, i'd have expected you to be on the rtlsdr channel :P | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>few devs got their hands on N950. At that time they thouoght it would be cool to form their own channel for the "elite" :p<< not at all. It just got annoying to answer questions assuming they are targeted at maemo5 and then to hear "but that doesn't work" and after long discussion you find out the asker has a harmattan device where the maemo5 solution doesn't apply | 18:07 |
| psycho_oreos | LjL, rtlsdr? | 18:08 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, heh I do recall one of the lucky devs (at the time) did mention about #harmattan being the cool channel to hang out for those lucky devs. | 18:09 |
| psycho_oreos | Though yeah, that's really old historical stuff now :D | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after all *I* created that channel ;-P | 18:10 |
| LjL | psycho_oreos: you might be interested in it if you're interested in radio. it's the informal name for a USB DVB-T TV stick, which could be obtained for cheap (although there might be a shortage now), which driver develoopers found out can actually be used as a software-defined radio receiver for between 60 and ~2000MHz with a 2Mbps bandwidth | 18:10 |
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| LjL | DocScrutinizer05: ha | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so believe me, I still recall why I did | 18:10 |
| * psycho_oreos muses the idea of concluding N900 vs <insert_almost_any_random_new_device_or_phone_here> as a willing but a toothless warrior. Then proceeds chuckling about the idea. | 18:11 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it been first of all a consideration about channel S/N | 18:11 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, lol not doubting you in the first place, just thought it was a little cool to use N950 to rub it in old people's wounds (those who still don't have N950) lol. | 18:12 |
| psycho_oreos | LjL, Ahh, I'm almost a complete noob when it comes to that stuff lol. Stuff even with wireless LAN is starting to throw me off now with things like HT and 802.11ac. | 18:12 |
| LjL | psycho_oreos: oh, i'm pretty clueless too, but for €20 or whatever it was i spent, it was worth looking at a very sizeable portion the radio spectrum. i just wish it did shortwave, so i could receive ham radio | 18:13 |
| LjL | hey, since the N900 has a light sensor, how come i don't see the brightness change depending on its reading? | 18:15 |
| LjL | the display brightness that is | 18:15 |
| psycho_oreos | LjL, that sort of reminds me of a person whom hacked his atheros wifi to (I think) transreceive in frequencies not defined by either 802.11a or 802.11b. It was something within 6GHz or something band, though ultimately he ended up frying his pre-amp as a result. | 18:16 |
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| LjL | psycho_oreos: i wouldn't dare do something like that, as i don't look forward to either frying my equipment, or have the police knock at my door for illegal transmissions ;) this stick is just a receiver though, and it's a simple matter of software to use it as an SDR | 18:17 |
| psycho_oreos | To me I think it does, when there's too much light after the screen went from blank screen to showing whatever you left things running (visible, in foreground) in about 2-4 seconds. | 18:18 |
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| psycho_oreos | LjL, haha true but nonetheless its still interesting to experiment though and something also to present to events like defcon. *Is now reminded of that story about MITM 2G attack at defcon awhile ago* | 18:19 |
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| LjL | psycho_oreos: this rtlsdr can be used with some software to receive and decode GSM, apparently, and now there's some LTE thing too :P | 18:20 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm not an expert on what is being used outside the standard (allowed) fmtxd frequencies, I was told that they may interfere with digital TV signals. | 18:20 |
| LjL | it might end up on the VHF TV range, not sure | 18:21 |
| LjL | still the transmitter is very low power, so | 18:21 |
| psycho_oreos | LjL, haha interesting. I do recall that MITM attack equipment would have set one back ~$1,000. | 18:22 |
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| psycho_oreos | Though doesn't mean you can't do some nasty hacks to make that low power output into concentrated power to one area ;) | 18:22 |
| psycho_oreos | There was a perfect movie about that idea, wargames 2: the dead code. | 18:24 |
| LjL | wut, there is a version of Waze in Extras-devel | 18:24 |
| LjL | hey while we're being offtopic, http://www.flickr.com/photos/ljlbox/sets/72157633997037650/ isn't even entirely offtopic as there is my N810 too :P | 18:30 |
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| kerio | psycho_oreos: fmtxd from cssu is the same fmtxd from jacekowski | 18:46 |
| kerio | (add more spelling) | 18:46 |
| kerio | cssu-devel, that is | 18:46 |
| kerio | i don't know when or if it'll be pushed to cssu-testing | 18:46 |
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| LjL | oh as to CSSU, i haven't installed that yet, anything important i ought to know before i do? also, should i really back up, or can i get a pristine Maemo flash file in the worst case? | 19:08 |
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| psycho_oreos | kerio, yeah I would expect it to be only imported from what was jacekowski's version. I never tried to test out his module thoroughly anyway :). | 19:22 |
| psycho_oreos | There's a thing known as backupmenu. It is probably the best thing to have. | 19:22 |
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| psycho_oreos | Actually misread, yes well backup in either cases. :) | 19:23 |
| psycho_oreos | CSSU stable shouldn't have too much issues, but if you're running CSSU testing (which is what I have here), you may run into issues | 19:23 |
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| Sc0rpius | builder is broken again :( | 19:50 |
| kerio | ohai Sc0rpius | 19:50 |
| Sc0rpius | builder says | 19:50 |
| Sc0rpius | Failed to fetch http://stage/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/libx/libx11/libx11-data_1.1.99.6+0m5+withxcb_all.deb Size mismatch | 19:50 |
| Sc0rpius | hi there | 19:50 |
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| kerio | why the hell are you pushing system packages to extras-devel? | 19:55 |
| Sc0rpius | I'm not | 19:55 |
| Sc0rpius | this is the log: | 19:55 |
| Sc0rpius | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/yappari_1.0.36/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt | 19:56 |
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| kerio | hm | 19:56 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05 and techstaff: *poke* | 19:56 |
| freemangordon | hear, hear | 19:56 |
| Sc0rpius | the title editing bug in TMO is still there, it really pisses me off | 19:57 |
| Sc0rpius | is there anybody here who is a moderator or something in TMO? | 19:57 |
| freemangordon | I guess yes | 19:58 |
| Sc0rpius | who? | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sc0rpius: many thanks but I can't follow up on that right now | 19:58 |
| freemangordon | chem|st, thedead1440_,... ummm... who else | 19:58 |
| Sc0rpius | it's ok | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please find somebody else to take care, or open a ticket in bugs.m.o | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sc0rpius: also mixing up two bug reports for sure doesn't help | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sc0rpius: re Failed to fetch http://stage/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/libx/libx11/libx11-data_1.1.99.6+0m5+withxcb_all.deb, that package is supposed to have been deleted, so builder resp your package shouldn't depend on it | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if it doesn't then I dunno why builder tries to fetch it | 20:02 |
| * Sc0rpius checks his control file | 20:02 | |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: because it is a system package | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it might still be in repo, then we have a problem with that fucking package | 20:02 |
| freemangordon | and seems we have that version cached | 20:03 |
| freemangordon | but the package is missing, thus the error | 20:03 |
| Sc0rpius | Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev, libqtm-dev, mce-dev, hildon-input-method-framework-dev, libx11-dev, libgtk2.0-dev, libosso-dev, libosso-abook-dev, libebook-dev, libhildondesktop1-dev | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since I deleted/nuked that crap | 20:03 |
| freemangordon | Did you rebuild Packages.gz? | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who? ME?? | 20:04 |
| Sc0rpius | :) | 20:04 |
| kerio | not me! | 20:04 |
| freemangordon | <DocScrutinizer05> since I deleted/nuked that crap | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so? there's a button in midgard to do that | 20:04 |
| freemangordon | sure, but do we have the old version now? | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NFC what autobuilder/repo-management does | 20:05 |
| kerio | the old version should be from nokia | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui there's no version whatsoever supposed to be in extras | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | somebody "accidentally" uploaded that package to autobuilder | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >:-( | 20:06 |
| freemangordon | yes, I know | 20:06 |
| kerio | people are making doc angry :( | 20:06 |
| Sc0rpius | actually the bug that any changes editing the title of a thread are ignored is worse than the builder bug :P | 20:07 |
| freemangordon | there was a check in the autobuiled WEB iface if you try to upload a system package | 20:07 |
| freemangordon | it seems gone :( | 20:07 |
| freemangordon | *autobuilder | 20:07 |
| Sc0rpius | somebody uploaded a system package? | 20:07 |
| freemangordon | yes | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sc0rpius: thanks. Then I happily forget about both | 20:07 |
| kerio | it happens | 20:07 |
| Sc0rpius | Jesus Christ | 20:07 |
| freemangordon | kerum: it is not supposed to happen | 20:08 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: last-spoke order is better than alphabetical, for IRC tab-completion | 20:08 |
| freemangordon | oh | 20:08 |
| * kerio uploads the whole of cssu-testing+thumb to extras-devel | 20:08 | |
| freemangordon | kerio: my IRC client is FUBAR | 20:09 |
| freemangordon | it is written in JAVA | 20:09 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 heads out, detecting his pissed mood | 20:09 | |
| * DocScrutinizer05 just remarks that eventually techstaff won't regard any bug reports anymore that have no ticket on b.m.o | 20:10 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *I* get flames for not citing down the list of problems from top of my head >:-( | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not like your 2 bugs are the only ones on such list. ask freemangordon | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on a less anry note: most likely packages.gz got NOT rebuilt, since autobuilder (usually) doesn't promote to repo automatically. Ask merlin1991 | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | angry* | 20:15 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, i have done the battery calibration as you told me and now my battery is at 2.5 volts and i think it's your fault, i even ran the calibration script with the kernel overclocked to 1.6GHz to ensure it would be responsive | 20:17 |
| LjL | (just in case you were getting less angry) | 20:17 |
| freemangordon | "kernel overclocked to 1.6GHz" | 20:17 |
| freemangordon | WHAT?!? | 20:17 |
| LjL | i wasn't being entirely serious | 20:17 |
| freemangordon | oh, ok | 20:18 |
| freemangordon | :) | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not ok | 20:18 |
| thedead1440 | Sc0rpius: you mean the thread-editing bug as in threads over a year old can't have their titles changed by the OP and only mods can change them? | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: your fault, don't listen to fools trolling you | 20:18 |
| thedead1440 | if so then report to chem|st as he is the administrator of tmo and the previous admin i.e. Reggie said this "feature" removal required council removal | 20:18 |
| kerio | if it's really at 2.5V, your battery isn't a battery anymore, to be honest | 20:19 |
| LjL | of course it's not really at 2.5V though :P | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tbh a battery cannot get probed at 2.5V, since battery voltage == PMU input voltage, and system impossibly can run at 2.5V | 20:20 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: multimeters can run at 2.5V | 20:20 |
| Sc0rpius | thedead1440, is that so? | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /akick | 20:20 |
| thedead1440 | Sc0rpius: what do you mean? | 20:20 |
| Sc0rpius | if the thread is older than a year I can't edit the title?¿ | 20:20 |
| kerio | :s | 20:20 |
| thedead1440 | Sc0rpius: yes! | 20:20 |
| Sc0rpius | WHY??????? | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | find somebody else to troll | 20:20 |
| Sc0rpius | I'm not making a new thread :( | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sc0rpius: because | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get over it | 20:21 |
| Sc0rpius | :'( | 20:21 |
| Sc0rpius | well then I need a mod to modify the thread title to something a little more standard | 20:21 |
| Sc0rpius | that is, deleting the version number | 20:21 |
| Sc0rpius | who is a mod here? | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq! editing subject of ancient threads | 20:21 |
| thedead1440 | Sc0rpius: the easiest way is to use the "report this!" button on your OP and to ask for thread to be changed | 20:22 |
| thedead1440 | its bloody easy to do so | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 20:22 |
| Sc0rpius | ok thanks | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq 2.5V | 20:22 |
| thedead1440 | Sc0rpius: reggie's reply: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1308738&postcount=11 | 20:22 |
| * kerio ponders about the usefulness of threads with 300+ pages | 20:23 | |
| thedead1440 | kerio: what's the alternative? closing the thread every X pages? | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: GET RECENT KP, DO **NOT** unblacklist bq27200 module | 20:23 |
| Sc0rpius | I see | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's known to cause massive trouble when stopping and restarting bme | 20:24 |
| Sc0rpius | that rule is absurd imho | 20:24 |
| thedead1440 | things like yappari, wazapp, N9QT attract many users + have many version changes hence the vast amount of pages | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sc0rpius: than go and discuss it with those who invented that rule | 20:24 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah I'm almost reaching 400 pages in the Yappari thread :( | 20:24 |
| Sc0rpius | and actually it's sad people asking things that were discussed before. I know nobody is gonna read those 400 pages | 20:25 |
| Sc0rpius | maybe a new thread is better... dunno... | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ye | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe a wiki page, eh? | 20:26 |
| freemangordon | wait, yappari thread has 2 times more pages than cssu-thumb thread? OMG, the world is going nuts :D | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and one new thread per version | 20:26 |
| thedead1440 | freemangordon: haha see the wazapp thread too for reference :) | 20:26 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cya peeps, I have some really imprtant stuff to do | 20:27 |
| thedead1440 | bye doc | 20:27 |
| freemangordon | though... this could be related to the fact there is no need to report much on cssu-thumb thread :P | 20:27 |
| freemangordon | bye doc | 20:27 |
| thedead1440 | freemangordon: indeed; the bulk of yappari and wazapp posts are usually about registration issues due to the frequent changes in protocol | 20:28 |
| Sc0rpius | freemangordon, don't feel bad. It doesn't mean Yappari is more popular. It just have dumber users asking the same questions over and over | 20:28 |
| freemangordon | Sc0rpius: I know, I am just kidding (in cas it is not clear) | 20:29 |
| freemangordon | *case | 20:29 |
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| LjL | DocScrutinizer05: i haven't really even run the calibration thing, i was just being facetious and didn't mean to make the atmosphere even chillier. (when i do run a calibration though, does the above mean i shouldn't run it on a stock PR1.3?) | 20:33 |
| Sc0rpius | freemangordon, I enabled CSSU (testing) to fix the Gmail bug but it seems a newer version of CSSU thumb has been released since | 20:33 |
| Sc0rpius | do I have to disable CSSU (Testing) again? | 20:33 |
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| Sc0rpius | or can both repositories live at the same time (testing) and (thumb) ? | 20:34 |
| freemangordon | Sc0rpius: they MUST live at the same time | 20:34 |
| freemangordon | -thumb is based on -testing | 20:34 |
| freemangordon | not all of the packages in -testing are in -thumb, upstart for example | 20:34 |
| freemangordon | so you need both repos | 20:34 |
| Sc0rpius | ok | 20:36 |
| kerio | "must" | 20:37 |
| kerio | nothing bad will happen if you disable -testing | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MUST | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~2119 | 20:38 |
| kerio | nothing good either, but still | 20:38 |
| infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. | 20:38 |
| freemangordon | kerio: the bad thing that will happen is that you won;t be able to update to latest -thumb | 20:38 |
| kerio | eeh | 20:38 |
| freemangordon | so you either disable both or enable both | 20:38 |
| kerio | cssu-thumb sucks anyway :P | 20:39 |
| freemangordon | sure | 20:39 |
| freemangordon | :) | 20:39 |
| kerio | there's still no x11 compiled with gcc4.7-linaro! | 20:39 |
| freemangordon | oh, I read rocks :P | 20:39 |
| kerio | i think | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I attrbute that to the european heatwave we all suffer from today | 20:39 |
| freemangordon | there is no | 20:39 |
| kerio | there's still no x11 compiled with gcc4.7-linaro, then! | 20:40 |
| freemangordon | and that is why cssu-thumb sucks | 20:40 |
| freemangordon | I got it | 20:40 |
| kerio | there's pulseaudio! | 20:40 |
| freemangordon | since April | 20:40 |
| kerio | no i mean in general | 20:41 |
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| * kerio ponders about a pulseaudio compatibility layer for alsa | 20:41 | |
| kerio | ...i guess that that would be pulseaudio | 20:42 |
| kerio | !seen Pali | 20:46 |
| kerio | ~seen Pali | 20:47 |
| infobot | pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 2h 32m 2s ago, saying: 'NSA for sure'. | 20:47 |
| Lava_Croft | he was never heard from again | 20:49 |
| kerio | :) | 20:49 |
| kerio | maybe the NSA analysts can fix hald-addon-bme in his stead | 20:49 |
| freemangordon | Pali said he'll be offline for a week | 20:50 |
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| drathir | kerio: yea they fix that the phone will going behind you... | 21:09 |
| drathir | i mean alone will follow you ^^ | 21:10 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 is only followed by his sofa. And only after drinking one bottle of potato vodka | 21:11 | |
| drathir | good alternative to builitin mail will be to fix mutt... | 21:11 |
| drathir | DocScrutinizer05: potato vodka? O.o | 21:12 |
| drathir | how this taste? i never hear about that... | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the cheapest crap of vodka is made from potatos | 21:12 |
| drathir | i mean hear that is possible to make it by myself in home, but never hear and see in shop... | 21:13 |
| drathir | with direct writed info that vodka is made from potatos... | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on THAT type of vodka nobody looks for any writing what it's made from. Since there isn't any either | 21:16 |
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| Sc0rpius | well I upgraded to CSSU thumb 8.2 I guess | 21:30 |
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| drathir | Sc0rpius: gz | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Welcome our new autobuilder maintainer freemangordon! | 22:23 |
| drathir | welcome ofc... | 22:23 |
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| frafl | welcome and sorry for the trouble | 22:50 |
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| Jellyroll | Hoi | 23:11 |
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| NeutrinoPower | what can "NOLO X-Loader", is somewhere a manual? | 23:13 |
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| Sc0rpius | so autbuilder is fixed? | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NeutrinoPower: NOLO is 2nd stage bootloader, Nokia's flavor of u-Boot. X-Loader is 1st stage bootloader. No there's no manual for NOLO (except what you get for flasher-3.5 and the "hold U key" instruction). There's some details about how X_Loader works, on http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Bootloader_Project | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sc0rpius: honestly, what do you mean? | 23:23 |
| Sc0rpius | the libx11-data bug | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how's that a bug? | 23:24 |
| Sc0rpius | autobuilder can't find a suitable libx11-data package | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | too bad | 23:26 |
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| kerio | NeutrinoPower: xloader/nolo loads something | 23:47 |
| kerio | that is all that's given to know | 23:47 |
| kerio | if something is uboot, you can do whatever you want | 23:48 |
| NeutrinoPower | can we set some kernel-boot-parameter with nolo? | 23:48 |
| NeutrinoPower | ok | 23:48 |
| kerio | WHATEEEEEVER YOU WANT | 23:49 |
| kerio | it's at least flexible enough to load rescueOS with the correct cmdline | 23:49 |
| kerio | ~rescueos | 23:49 |
| infobot | well, rescue-os is http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ | 23:49 |
| kerio | yes it is, infobot | 23:53 |
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