IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2013-06-19

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BCMMDocScrutinizer05: why would i want a clean install rather than a restored install?00:05
DocScrutinizer05sorry, I don't get that. Any way that's not what I suggested00:06
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chem|stcssu-s 6.1...00:07
BCMMDocScrutinizer05: sorry, i mean a backup of a clean install00:08
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DocScrutinizer05because a restore of a clean system can get done locally, while to install cssu anew you need internet etc00:09
DocScrutinizer05also you can do partial restores of single files etc from a BM backup00:09
DocScrutinizer05so if e.g. your rcS-late got messed up and you want to restore the original CSSU version, you don't need to do a full reflash plus cssu install, you simply pick rcs-late from your BM backup00:11
DocScrutinizer05and generally there's a golden rule: always make a backup *before* you restore sth, so you can undo the restore00:12
DocScrutinizer05likewise always make a backup before you install sth, so you can roll back the installation00:13
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BCMMDocScrutinizer05: does osso-backup remove files at all? or just add?00:53
BCMMcause i'm pretty sure there's things missing from the backup taken after things went wrong, but i have an older backup00:53
Palido not know, osso-backup is close source00:56
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Win7MacDo we need a new banner when elections are actually running? Like flashing crazy or something?03:21
Win7MacGeneralAntilles + others, are my answers to candidature somewhat satisfactory to you?03:40
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Win7Macamazing graph animation of community development upon Canon camera hacks, check the video:
Win7Macme/ says good night peeps04:24
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GeneralAntillesHaha. That's a bigger wall o' text than I was expecting.05:01
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XATRIXHi guys, i could make boot-flash disk from my microSD within my nokia09:37
XATRIXBut i have a question09:37
XATRIXI made a partition sda1 over 410MB and place there rescuecd, but i'd like to use this flash as a storage for nokia as well09:38
XATRIXWhat file system do i have to place on a second partition ?09:38
XATRIXvfat ?09:38
XATRIXCurrently, N900 tells me i have corrupt flash disk installed in. But if i switch to USB Stroage Mode, i can boot from!09:39
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DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: you can use basically whatever you like on 2nd partition, though i'd probably suggest ext3. Anyway the stock fremantle can't mount more than one partition automatically, and it will frown on anything that's not VFAT10:32
DocScrutinizer05in CSSU we have a improved ke-recv and relatives, that do automounting for basically everything, even for multiple partitions10:33
DocScrutinizer05I gather your first partition is a CD ISO-image though, and I dunno if that's supported at all, you might have to blacklist this partition from mounter-script (now I finally found out why I insisted on including that blacklist function there \o/)10:35
DocScrutinizer05with the needed fs driver modules you might try a mount -t iso9660 or sth10:36
XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: Where's the auto-mounter script is ?10:39
XATRIXYes, seems like i have iso9660 for sda1,and vfat fro sda210:40
XATRIXBut it's not goona be mounted10:40
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DocScrutinizer05try mount manually10:42
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DocScrutinizer05and check cssu-t changelogs10:47
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XATRIXThat's my curent mounts10:51
XATRIXmmc1 - actually mounted my livecd image10:52
DocScrutinizer05looks good10:52
XATRIXI can see the contents of10:52
DocScrutinizer05 /dev/mmcblk1p2 on /media/mmc1p2 type vfat10:52
XATRIXSeems like p2 mounted also, there's no files yet10:53
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XATRIXBut my maemo file manager does show anything related except Nokia N90010:53
DocScrutinizer05looks like you're already using cssu10:53
XATRIXNo SD card10:53
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XATRIXcrap, wait10:53
XATRIXMy file manager doesn't show Nokia N900 | SD Card10:54
XATRIXIt shows now = Nokia N900 | 538,5 mb volume | Sysrcd-3.7.10:54
Lava_CroftSo i just noticed flopswap10:54
Lava_Crofttime to ditch shell scripts10:54
DocScrutinizer05whatever flop10:55
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XATRIXnever heard about flopswap10:55
Lava_Crofttoo bad i had to remove swapset before it worked10:56
Lava_Croftswapset automounts any swaps it finds10:56
Lava_Crofton boot10:56
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keriothat sounds bad10:58
kerioit turns removing the uSD into a kernel panic10:58
vi__freemangordon: Yo10:59
vi__freemangordon: WTF is going on in your city?10:59
Lava_Croftkerio: yes10:59
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Lava_Croftkerio: it doesnt seem to notify you of it either10:59
Lava_Croftso i was wondering how the fuck i ended up with several swaps mounted without me doing anything10:59
Lava_Croft(besides install swapset)10:59
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DocScrutinizer05ooh, sixwheeledbeast11:01
DocScrutinizer05well, that flopswap sounds good11:02
Lava_Croftyeah, flopswap seems a nice solution11:04
Lava_Croftthe nicest i found so far11:04
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vi__and how is flopswap better than a cron script?11:21
vi__At 3am check to see that keyboard is closed and screen is off (means it is probably asleep), swap on/swap off etc.11:22
Lava_Croftthe 'probably' in there already ruined it for me11:24
Lava_Crofti had scripts like that before, like a GUI a bit better11:27
Lava_Croftso i can see for myself how much swap has been written11:27
Lava_Croftwhich swap is actually in use, etc11:27
Lava_Croftand a bit easier to use11:28
Lava_Croftits not inherently better than a cron script11:28
Lava_Croftbut it has big butonz i can press11:28
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XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: whan i connect my nokia as a data storage will it represent sc card as a 1 disk, or it will feed it to windows as per partition ?11:45
DocScrutinizer05afaik per partition11:46
DocScrutinizer05I.E. each exported partition makes for a separate storage device iirc11:47
divVerentyes, SD card is exported as a whole12:14
divVerentso if your SD card has partitions, the OS will see partitions too12:14
divVerentas opposed to this, the flash memory will be exported differently - only the MyDocs partition gets exported12:14
divVerentthis BTW also means that if you, like I do, have swap on external SD card, and use mass storage mode...12:14
divVerentyou should be careful not to touch that partition from the PC's OS :P12:15
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XATRIXThe trouble i faced here. I plug my SD card using the microSD adapter to PC and made sda1(vfat)+sda2(iso9660(boot)) partitions12:32
XATRIXThen i applied it to Nokia, then exported as a Storage mode12:32
divVerentwhy would you use this second partition?12:32
divVerentstill... this is supposed to work12:32
XATRIXwait a sec12:33
XATRIXNow i boot my windows and see Removable Disk 29,28GB in Disk management console12:33
XATRIXAnd it has H:12:34
divVerentuntil here it sounds all good12:34
XATRIXBut unknown partition12:34
divVerentis the size the size of the VFAT partition?12:34
XATRIXit doesn't see it as a vfat partition. Also, i have the second partition about 1024 (that's my iso9660) Active(bootable) But has no assigned disk letter12:35
divVerentunless you already did this, I recommend you to do the partitioning and formatting as VFAT from Windows, if you want to be sure that Windows can read it12:35
XATRIXThey all looks like unformatted12:35
divVerentdid you create the partitions from Linux?12:35
divVerentthat is it probably12:36
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divVerentwhen creating the partition12:36
divVerenthow did you partition?12:36
divVerentthe thing is, you should be asked about a partition type12:36
divVerentand it defaults to a "Linux partition"\12:36
divVerentwhich windows will not even try to probe12:36
XATRIXYes, i remember12:36
divVerentyou can fix it now, by using fdisk on Linux again12:36
divVerentand setting the partition type to something VFAT12:36
divVerentthis will not delete any data12:36
divVerentthere is multiple VFAT related types, I have no idea which is the right one12:37
divVerentin the past I always guessed right12:37
divVerentso if it does not work, try another sounding like FAT12:37
divVerentthere is IIRC also some LBA one, which sounds more right... but I have no idea12:37
divVerentnever had any issues with guessing yet :P12:37
divVerentor, check some USB stick that works, and see which type that oen uses :P12:38
XATRIXI wonder why i can't do it with N900 using ssh ^^12:38
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divVerentmaybe no fdisk installed?12:40
divVerentI never tried12:40
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XATRIXI don't even have fdisk in my package :)))012:51
XATRIXapt-get install fdisk - gives me nothing :)12:51
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XATRIXHm... i changed my part types to W95 FAT (LBA) both12:52
XATRIXAnd was able to formart sda112:52
XATRIXIn windows...  But windows doesn't want to formart my second partition12:52
Paliwindows has notoriously bad or none support for partitions and filesystems12:58
Paliwindows 7 still has bad and seems still none support for more MBR partitions on SD cards for 3rd IFS filesystems12:59
Palirather use some linux for formatting12:59
DocScrutinizer05I'm not sure there's *any* particular partition type you could use for an ISO9660 image13:02
Paliin MBR?13:03
Paliyes, there is no MBR partition ID for iso966013:04
XATRIXYes, but i'm going to formart this small partition as FAT32 , aquire a letter for a drive (e.g G:) and write the image to the disk G: using UltraISO13:04
DocScrutinizer05no surprise, since ISO9660 is sipposed to be MBR-less13:04
XATRIXBut i can't format it as fat32 :)13:04
Palido not use windows for it13:04
Paliit is OS which cannot do what you want13:05
DocScrutinizer05use cfdisk or sfdisk on N90013:05
DocScrutinizer05I prefer cfdisk13:05
Palisfdisk is preinstalled on n90013:05
DocScrutinizer05yes, but cryptic13:05
PaliI'm still using fdisk & gdisk because both tools doing what I want13:06
DocScrutinizer05I suggest you make your ISO9660 the *first* partition13:06
XATRIXI have no cfdisk, nor sfdisk installed in PR1.3 )13:06
Pali(and not what programmers think that I should want)13:06
DocScrutinizer05will most probably work better for boot-"CD"13:06
XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: Doesn't matter the order of, i checkd13:06
DocScrutinizer05fine then13:07
Palifor bootCD there is el-torito iso image. that iso image contains fat32 bootable partition13:07
DocScrutinizer05I'm quite surprised that your BIOS is accepting this obfuscated setup13:07
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: and yes, you have sfdisk13:07
XATRIXi have no13:08
Palinow bioses checking only active(boot) partition13:08
Palisfdisk is needed by rcS-late13:08
Paliso if you do not have sfdisk, your maemo is not bootable anymore13:08
XATRIXlet's see13:08
DocScrutinizer05yes, you have!13:09
DocScrutinizer05~ # ls -l /sbin/sfdisk13:09
DocScrutinizer05-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root        45160 Aug 24  2012 /sbin/sfdisk13:09
DocScrutinizer05you just don't have sbin in your user's $PATH13:09
Palisfdisk is part of busybox :-)13:09
XATRIX - that's what i receive when i try to formart my 1GB partition13:10
Paliso if you do not have sfdisk --> you do not have busybox --> you do not have maemo 5 :-)13:10
XATRIXyou right, i have sfdisk :(13:10
PaliXATRIX: do not use f*cking windows system for formatting which does not support it :-)13:10
DocScrutinizer05so you either become root and check/fix your $PATH, or invoke /sbin/sfdisk, or busybox sfdisk13:11
XATRIX - what a mess :)13:12
DocScrutinizer05toldya ;-P13:12
XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: Yes, it was my fault, i cound't locate sfdisk13:12
DocScrutinizer05install cfdisk!13:12
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XATRIXshould my /dev/mmcblk0 look like on my paste13:13
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Pali/dev/mmcblk0 is eMMC and it is OK13:14
Pali/dev/mmcblk1 is your SD card with 2 partitions (second marked as "bootable")13:14
XATRIXCfdisk warns me about: FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 1: Partition ends in the final partial cylinder. Press any key to exit cfdisk13:15
PaliXATRIX: what you want to do?13:15
XATRIXI have mmc2 = 32GB , i want 1partition=31GB , 2nd=1GB(boot)13:15
XATRIX1partition=fat32(to use as a standard) ,and 2nd - will be systemrescuecd installed by syslinux13:16
PaliXATRIX: backup your SD card and repartition it again from sfdisk/cfdisk13:18
XATRIXok, i've done13:18
XATRIXnow it's parted properly13:18
Paliafter repartition, create 1st filesystem and then via dd (or something else) copy there your rescue13:18
DocScrutinizer05don't forget to mark part2 as bootable13:18
Pali/dev/mmcblk1p2   *   3696    3822-    127-   1014472    c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)13:18
XATRIXShould i graver Fat32 using mkfs.vfat ? on a first parititon13:18
Palithis is bad ^^^13:18
XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: sure13:19
Palibegin: 3696    end:382213:19
Paliend < begin13:19
XATRIXCurrenly i have proper values13:19
XATRIX/dev/mmcblk1p1          0+ 927825  927826-  29690424    c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)13:19
XATRIX/dev/mmcblk1p2   * 927826  959455   31630    1012160    c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)13:19
XATRIX/dev/mmcblk1p3          0       -       0          0    0  Empty13:19
XATRIX/dev/mmcblk1p4          0       -       0          0    0  Empty13:19
Paliok, this looks ok13:19
Palirun mkfs.vfat on /dev/mmcblk1p113:20
XATRIXWhy does it tell me about p3 and p4 ?13:20
DocScrutinizer05since all MBR have 4 partitions13:20
Palibecause MBR always have 4 partitions13:20
XATRIXvfat is done13:20
DocScrutinizer05the data structure is defined that way13:20
XATRIXAnd the last one - ~#sync :)13:21
XATRIXto flush buffers13:21
DocScrutinizer05yeah, good idea13:21
DocScrutinizer05+ sleep 513:22
DocScrutinizer05since even after sync returns, the flash controller might still be busy writing back last block to flash13:22
DocScrutinizer05inside the uSD13:23
XATRIXO_O windows now detects it as ONE partition G: 27GB13:23
Paliso it ignoring second partition :D13:23
XATRIXAfter i exported using USB13:23
DocScrutinizer05you already copied your ISO to p2?13:23
Paliperfect OS13:23
XATRIXI have 2 paritions + 2 vfats13:24
DocScrutinizer05you did a mkfs.vfat on p2?13:24
DocScrutinizer05is that a yes?13:24
XATRIXNow i should have 2 FAT32 partitions13:24
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XATRIXah...crap wait13:25
XATRIXIt's not even flash13:25
XATRIXIt's mmc013:25
XATRIXO_O where the hell are flash disks :(13:25
XATRIXHoly crpa... it wasn't exported by nokia... Simply the eMMC was. Now i did sfdisk /dev/mmcblk1 just to make sure if everything is ok13:26
XATRIXand windows disk manager - found it O_O13:26
DocScrutinizer05you removed and re-inserted uSD after changing partition table?13:27
XATRIXBut i have the same trouble as i described on a screenshot13:27
XATRIXNo i didn't extract Sd13:27
XATRIXSimply plug in the USB-cable13:28
DocScrutinizer05(sfdisk has a call to a kernel function that re-reads the partition table. cfdisk doesn't afaik)13:28
DocScrutinizer05but cfdisk comes with a bold warning about that issue13:28
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XATRIXYea, down the screen13:29
XATRIXCurrently i end up where i started. My second partition is unusable13:29
XATRIXBut the first one does well13:29
DocScrutinizer05removing back cover suffices anyway13:29
XATRIXsuffices ?13:30
DocScrutinizer05well, what did you do?13:30
DocScrutinizer05did you dd the iso9660 to part2?13:30
XATRIXSD is empty now13:30
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XATRIX1 did 2 partitions ,assined OC flag on it, mkfs.vfat both, exported to windows via USB13:31
DocScrutinizer05I don't like the "-" and "+" in your sfdisk listing13:31
XATRIX1st partition is ok, the second is not13:31
DocScrutinizer05 /dev/mmcblk1p1          0+ 927825  927826-13:32
XATRIXwhat should i check ?13:32
DocScrutinizer05 /dev/mmcblk1p2   * 92782613:32
XATRIXmaybe it's not critical ?13:33
DocScrutinizer05you should unplug, open and close back cover, then plug again13:34
DocScrutinizer05first of all13:34
XATRIXMaybe i can try the way, make one big partition, write cd image to, then devide/resize it on 2 partitions using parted ?13:34
DocScrutinizer05OMG why?13:34
XATRIXThis way definatly works, i tried today morning13:35
XATRIXon 1GB sd card13:35
XATRIXWhat does the unpluggin of back cover ?13:35
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XATRIXIs there a secret button inside ?13:35
Lava_CroftXATRIX: magnet13:41
Lava_Croftit unmounts the sdcard upon removing back cover13:41
XATRIXcool )13:41
Lava_Croftnot if swap is on sd:P13:41
XATRIXI hope it doesn't demagnet data on it ;)13:42
DocScrutinizer05well, when you remove the uSD it breaks anyway13:42
DocScrutinizer05so what's wrong with magnet switching it off gracefully?13:42
DocScrutinizer05it's your swap that's not working correctly ;-P13:42
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DocScrutinizer05or your uSD card that's flawed in that it needs hysical contact to the device, to operate13:44
DocScrutinizer05you wouldn't renove backcover anyway, except for removing uSD or even whole battery13:44
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Lava_Croftremoving the backcover is not equal to removing the sdcard, therefore unmounting the sdcard when removing the backcover is overzealous13:45
Lava_Croftits like my shower starts to spray me wet the moment i enter my bathroom13:46
DocScrutinizer05of course Nokia could've built in a servo lock into backcover that allows opening it up only after you umounted every partition on uSD13:46
Lava_Croftthey could have done a lot for the n900 hw :)13:46
Lava_Croftill agree on that13:46
Lava_Croftflopswap does 'solve' that kind of nicely13:47
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Lava_Croftit has a big button to move swap back to mmc13:47
Lava_Croftor whatever its called, the device itself13:47
DocScrutinizer05doesn't help either when you don't use it13:47
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Lava_Croftoh yeah, the e13:48
DocScrutinizer05e like embedded13:48
Lava_Croftwould be nice to have some built-in solution for swap in cssu13:48
Lava_Croftwhatever form it may take13:48
Lava_Croftand whatever one classifies as a 'solution'13:48
Lava_Croftvery important matter in N900 world13:48
DocScrutinizer05simple: 512MB additional RAM13:49
Lava_Croftthats not as easy13:49
divVerentmy solution is a small shell script I run on every startup from xterm manually13:49
jaskaswap was an awful idea to begin with13:49
divVerentthat does swapon to a MMC partition, then lets me enter the master password generator key13:49
jaskaon a "phone"13:49
divVerentcreates a ramdisk for part of gconf (the modest accounts)13:49
divVerentand fills in the passwords13:49
DocScrutinizer05jaska: I tend to agree13:49
Lava_Crofti just use the flopswap method now, but havent been using it long enough yet13:50
Lava_Croftsome gui for swap management, kind of13:50
Lava_Croftits rather limited and simple, but does the job13:51
divVerentwtf... why TWO swap parts on SD?13:51
Lava_Croftso you can swap between em when one gets fragmented13:51
DocScrutinizer05to switch between them13:51
Lava_Croftso you dont have to switch between eMMC and SD13:51
Lava_Croftwhich reduces wear on the emmc13:51
DocScrutinizer05and increases defragment time by 213:51
Lava_Croftno shit13:52
Lava_Croftsometimes it would take scary long to move swap back to eMMC13:52
divVerentstill... probably makes no sense13:52
DocScrutinizer05two times swapon&&swapoff13:52
divVerentit's not like the N900 stays up that long that swap fragmentation is an actuasl issue13:52
Lava_Croftit doesnt?13:52
Lava_Croftmine certainly does13:52
DocScrutinizer05for uSD->eMMC and then eMMC->uSD13:52
divVerentmine crashes about once every 2 weeks13:52
Lava_Croftmy n900 basically only reboots when i have to or when i forget to recharge13:52
DocScrutinizer05divVerent: ooh?13:52
divVerentand in that time, swap fragmentation is no issue13:52
Lava_Croftwhich isnt often13:52
divVerentor rather13:52
divVerentI notice no speed diff before and after reboot13:52
Lava_Croftmine never crashes13:53
divVerentsometimes it crashes hard...13:53
DocScrutinizer05mine neither13:53
divVerentbut sometimes I just forgot to charge in time13:53
divVerentor I power it off BEFORE battery goes totally empty13:53
divVerenthard crashes seem to happen especially with opera mobile, but I still need this browser13:53
divVerentmainly because I need tabs and microb sucks13:53
divVerentbut also due to opera turbo13:53
Lava_Crofthard crashes with opera mobile?13:53
divVerentsaves a LOT of bandwidth on mobile13:53
divVerentLava_Croft: I am not saying opera CAUSES them13:53
DocScrutinizer05actually in 5(?) years I haven't seen more than 2 freezes from mass cp, and no unsolicited reboot ever13:53
divVerentbut I only use few programs13:54
divVerentopera mobile, openmediaplayer, penpen, and that notepad thing13:54
Lava_Croftthe only hard reboot i got also killed the n90013:54
Lava_Croftand got me a replacement13:54
jaskayeah, the only ones ive had were from using dd on a very large file (was trying to provoke it)13:54
Lava_Crofthard crash whatever13:54
divVerentmaybe it was not frozen but just took long :P13:54
divVerentI am impatient sometimes13:54
Lava_Croftwell, OMP hangs these days upon first launch after boot13:54
divVerentyes, know that13:54
Lava_Croftno matter if you have 10k songs or 0 songs13:54
divVerentdoes not annoy me much though13:54
divVerentit is only like 10 sec13:54
Lava_Crofti tested that when reflashing13:54
Lava_Croft10s for what13:55
Lava_Croft10s that werent there before13:55
divVerentfor showing the dialog "single file or whole folder"13:55
divVerentbefore what?13:55
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Lava_CroftOMP didnt always hang 10s upon boot13:55
Lava_Croftor more13:55
divVerentoh, didn't know that :P13:55
Lava_Croftits something of the latest or near-latest version13:55
divVerentit just is not long enough to annoy me yet13:55
Lava_Croftit is for me, OMP is the app i use 90% of the time13:55
divVerentthere is 4 version of omp in apt... maybe the previous does not have the issue?13:55
divVerentyes, but it hits me only once per reboot13:56
divVerentand once every 2 weeks is ok13:56
Lava_Croftits only once per reboot, yes13:56
Lava_Croftbut since it seems like a regression, it annoys me more13:56
divVerentwell, 2 weeks is the AVERAGE quota...13:56
Lava_Croftprobably would annoy less if it was always there:D13:56
Lava_Croftalways has been there*13:56
divVerentrecently I fulfilled this reboot quota by rebooting to try if it fixes an OMP bug13:56
divVerentthe u/v color swap :P13:56
Lava_Croftah yewahj13:56
Lava_Croftyeah* holy13:56
divVerentwhich was however rather a bug only in the zoomed in view13:56
DocScrutinizer05zoomed in window? how'd you zoom a window?13:58
DocScrutinizer05I know we once a long time ago had that zoom function in MHD, in cssu, but it got removed since it ... was buggy ;-P13:59
Lava_Croftsince it was sucking13:59
Lava_Croftmy god that was as useless as the iphone zoom feature:D13:59
Lava_Croftit was a great way to show how good n900 screen is tho14:00
vi__aah.  hildon zoom.14:01
vi__terrible feature.14:01
Lava_Croftwhat the hell14:01
Lava_CroftJohn McAfee about McAfee antivirus...14:02
Lava_CroftNFSW language14:02
Lava_Croftnsfw in general, i just notice14:02
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rikaneedidn't John McAfee totally lose it though?14:16
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DocScrutinizer05I dunno if that's funny14:17
rikaneelast I heard he was in Belize doing super-coke14:17
Lava_Croftrikanee: there's a distinct difference between what media reports and what actually takes place14:19
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Win7MacHow/where will the BoD-meeting take place tomorrow, can it be attended somehow?14:33
DocScrutinizer05good question, though probably a question best asked to BoD14:34
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DocScrutinizer05 is clueless14:35
Win7MacWoody14619 ^^^^ - got a clue?14:35
DocScrutinizer05 is also clueless14:37
Win7Macthey probably have a conference call on phone?14:38
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Win7Mac~seen Woody1461914:40
infobotwoody14619 is currently on #maemo #maemo-ssu, last said: 'There may not been a need.  Technically, a majority of directors need only inform the secretary of an action for it to count, even outside of a meeting.  (Been brushing up on PA law:'.14:40
Win7Mac^ that was some time ago...14:42
Win7MacWoody14619: ping14:42
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divVerentWoody14619: this last message reminds me SO MUCH of "Yes, Minister" :P14:45
Lava_Crofthaha Yes, Minister14:46
Lava_Croftthanks you for making me remember14:46
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divVerentreminds me the part of where the meeting notes are written in advance...14:46
divVerentand it doesn't matter AT ALL what they actually will say14:47
divVerentalso, written by their secretaries14:47
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DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: here?15:00
sixwheeledbeastDocScrutinizer05: yes I on my half hour lunch, wazzup?15:01
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: I get a tad tired reading thru and on, so pondered I tell you directly...:15:01
DocScrutinizer05on one of my devices /proc/diskstats has swap on mmcblk0p3 while on other device it's on mmcblk1p3. Both devices in /proc7swaps claim swap to be on mmcblk0p315:02
DocScrutinizer05it's a frequently seen problem that some of the /proc/* nodes don't learn about the rename15:03
DocScrutinizer05during early boot eMMC is mmcblk1 when there's a uSD inserted15:03
DocScrutinizer05since physically the uSd is on controller015:04
DocScrutinizer05which gets checked first by kernel15:04
* DocScrutinizer05 feels reminded on windozre driveletter mess15:05
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DocScrutinizer05what worries me is that t900 (the device with /proc/diskstat ->  179       3 mmcblk0p3 37691 61599 794648 1649023 2684 37941 325000 332406 0 442109 1981390) has a uSD as well, but it's actually the IroN900 that has  179      11 mmcblk1p3 16338 49135 523896 170515 2988 36601 316712 174640 0 192242 34507015:08
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DocScrutinizer05nevertheless, for the chanlog then: yes, I removed my uSD on IroN900 and opened browser and checked that swap is increasing (= getting used)15:12
Lava_Croftwindows and drive letters is awesome if you have no clue what you are doing!15:13
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divVerentBTW, as for uptime of N900... just need to do another reboot - CSSU update :P15:18
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sixwheeledbeastDocScrutinizer05: sorry about that got disconnected again. I didnt think diskstats had any information about the type of drive only it's number mmcblkXpX15:26
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DocScrutinizer05I actually wonder myself how to pick the right one of mmcblk?p3, particularly when you got a uSD that also has 3+ partitions15:28
DocScrutinizer05I guess you could check which one is "used" by watching for changes which maybe even are in sync with changes in /proc/swaps output15:30
DocScrutinizer05it's yet to get verified if you *always* have swap on mmcblk1p3 in /proc/diskstat when there's a uSD inserted during boot15:31
DocScrutinizer05I anyway was able to verify by removing uSD before doing the
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DocScrutinizer05 is how it looked before I removed the uSD, on device which booten with uSD inserted15:34
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divVerentAH... finally got rid of the stupid icon moving above background when switching desktops15:54
divVerentit is called parallax15:54
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DocScrutinizer05yes, and tunable in transitions.ini15:58
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GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, my response to the questionnaire thread, assuming you were hmm?-ing me last night.16:03
Win7Macquite a wall, but a good read16:04
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GeneralAntillesI actually cut it down a fair bit, too. O_o16:05
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DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: (blacklist) see
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XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: thnks16:11
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: I think chem|st's answer is absolutely illegible16:13
* DocScrutinizer05 feels like reading a SIEMENS so called 10-finger-manual (you need all 10 fingers for "bookmarks" to jump between references and definitions)16:14
DocScrutinizer05also needlessly offensive against renob who wasn't even adressing chem|st directly16:15
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Win7Maconly I forgot to mention the take on supporting Harmattan assets. love to see that too16:18
DocScrutinizer05Win7Mac: yours as well are 2nd halves of complete sentences that make no sense unless each time scrolling to post#1 for the question16:18
Win7Macshould I quote the Qs?16:20
DocScrutinizer05actually 3) isn't16:20
Win7Macor better rework answers?16:21
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders how you wrote those answers. Did you copy the questions, answer them and then delete them from your text? Or did you have two tiled windows on your screen?16:21
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Win7MacI opted for the primary16:23
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DocScrutinizer05well, see GeneralAntilles for both how to write answers in a correct way as well as what I for one really appreciate regarding the ideas expressed by the answers16:33
Lava_CroftThe beauty of a good answer is that it tells a very small, coherent story! :D16:34
DocScrutinizer05nothing wrong with answering more terse (maybe), but for sure reducing it to just the few words needed to "how do you complete that sentence? "When I was a BoD member, I would..." is a bit hard to read for everybody16:35
DocScrutinizer05Lava_Croft: indeed16:35
Lava_Crofta math teacher that just explains the numbers is bleh16:36
Lava_Croftthe best ones were those with the small stories16:36
Lava_Crofti always see it as a kind of PR16:36
Lava_Croftwell, more like advertising/commercials16:37
Win7Macok, thanks guys. will edit them later16:38
DocScrutinizer05as a rule of thumb, for anything but the shortest replies, an answer should make sense even when not knowing the detached question16:38
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DocScrutinizer05some of the "answers" in that track are not even correct complete sentences16:39
Lava_Croftthats why confirmation that you understood the question, which usually takes the form of incorporation the question itself into your answer16:39
Lava_Croftis so important16:39
Win7Macright, that's what I always tell the interviewee when I ask them...16:39
Lava_Croftmy god the heat is affecting my ability to process long sentences16:40
Lava_Croftand then type them out16:40
DocScrutinizer05~weather eddn16:40
infobotNuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2013.06.19 1320 UTC; Dew Point: 46 F (8 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.88 in. Hg (1012 hPa); Relative Humidity: 20%; Sky conditions: mostly clear; Temperature: 93 F (34 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Weather: Towering cumulus clouds observed; Wind: from the ESE (120 degrees) at 20 MPH (17 KT)16:40
Win7Mac+weather ham16:40
Lava_Croft70% humidity here16:40
Lava_Croftand 25celsius16:41
Win7Mac~weather ham16:41
infobotI can't find station code "HAM" (see or for ICAO locations codes).16:41
Lava_Crofthubba bubba air16:41
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Win7Mac~weather 1085016:42
infobotI can't find station code "10850" (see or for ICAO locations codes).16:42
Win7Mac~weather EDDH16:43
infobotHamburg-Fuhlsbuettel, Germany; (EDDH) 53-38N 010-00E 15M; last updated: 2013.06.19 1320 UTC; Dew Point: 59 F (15 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.91 in. Hg (1013 hPa); Relative Humidity: 40%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 86 F (30 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the N (010 degrees) at 5 MPH (4 KT) (direction variable)16:43
Win7Macthanks ;)16:44
Win7MacDocS, where do you "sit"?16:45
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DocScrutinizer05N obviously ;-)16:47
infoboti heard icao is an International Civial Aviation Organization code, often useful in finding weather stations.  See to lookup a code.16:47
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DocScrutinizer05~icao is also
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0516:50
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DocScrutinizer05god, is sooo fsckup a website16:52
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Woody14619Win7Mac, Am updating election booth & need a real name to for you.  (Must list real name and board nick for elections.)  Your m.o account lacks real name.18:25
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Win7MacWoody14619: Gido Griese18:28
Win7Macsee my candidate declaration:
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Win7MacWoody14619, is tomorrows BoD-meeting somehow attendable?18:30
tzafrirRecently my n900 does not seem to ring on calls anymore.18:32
tzafrirI saw this mentioned on a forum post or two. I don't seem to find an open bug about this in the bugzilla.18:33
tzafrirIs the bugzilla being used?18:33
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vi__DocScrutinizer05: what is GUIDEC?18:33
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DocScrutinizer05vi__: nfc18:35
DocScrutinizer056 letters?18:35
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vi__It is something to do with GSM or something.18:37
vi__Thought you might know.18:37
vi__TY anyway.18:37
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GeneralAntillestzafrir, not by Nokia.18:47
tzafrirNokia still involved with the n900?18:48
tzafrirI installed the recent compunity SSU updated, so I figured Nokia is not really there18:49
GeneralAntillesNokia not, no.18:56
Palinokia does not care about n900 about 2/3 years18:56
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vi__Nokia abandoned N900 in about December 2009.19:05
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Sc0rpius<vi__> Nokia abandoned N900 in about December 2009. <-- word.19:08
Woody14619Win7Mac, Yes, just got the mail for setup:
Win7MacWoody14619, MANY THANKS! I'll try to join19:19
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DocScrutinizer05Woody14619: it seems it's not yet made a public meeting, and the link is not suited to join meeting without account at least19:41
DocScrutinizer05probably you need an account anyway for that congross-ohno shit19:42
DocScrutinizer05just saying19:42
Win7Macyeah, you do19:42
Win7Mac...need to register19:42
Win7Macstatus: "öffentlich und offen"19:43
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DocScrutinizer05then why it's not showing up on under "public meetings"?19:43
Win7Macit actually *is*19:44
Woody14619DocScrutinizer05,  The meeting is public and open, it says so right on the linked paged in "Visibility".  You do need to make an account to access the meeting.  Considering it's a free voice conference service, with web-enabled joining, it seems a minor detail to give them a throw away e-mail address.19:44
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Woody14619The previous one is also still listed, and can be played from archive:
DocScrutinizer05meh, I won't join AV-conferences anyway19:47
DocScrutinizer05too exhausting, my audio-processor and speech-parser is not dimensioned for that19:47
Win7Macwhat?! :(19:47
DocScrutinizer05I don't even understand the recording, not when I hear it 5 times19:48
Win7Macgrab some headphones19:48
DocScrutinizer05so what?19:48
DocScrutinizer05listen to some nice music while meeting passing by?19:48
Win7Mac...listen to meeting, no need to talk19:49
Win7Macno need for cam19:49
DocScrutinizer05furthermore I don't even have a microphone on my PC19:49
Win7Macmee too!19:50
DocScrutinizer05I _will_ _NOT_ listen to any meeting19:50
Win7Macyeah, got it now. what a pity19:50
DocScrutinizer05I'm not used to listen to people talking even in German, since 20 years19:51
Win7Macyou _could_ comment though (old school typing stuff on KB) ;-)19:52
DocScrutinizer05and I hardly get a word of CNN news19:52
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DocScrutinizer05consider it a special case of deaf19:52
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Win7Mac*selective deafness... ;)19:53
DocScrutinizer05no, general deafness19:53
DocScrutinizer05at times I hardly understand german speakers19:54
DocScrutinizer05I can do 1:1 peer to  peer conversations, usually19:55
DocScrutinizer05I can't however switch between different spreakers rapidly19:55
Win7Macdoc, hmm... visit you doc probably ;)19:56
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DocScrutinizer05to do what?19:56
Win7Macto cure your deafness19:57
DocScrutinizer05get a certificate that allows me grabbing seat in subway from grannies?19:57
Win7Macprobably even that!19:57
DocScrutinizer05tzz, I have other stuff to cure when I visit my doctor19:57
Win7Macok, no details pls19:58
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sixwheeledbeastsorry about that before DocScrutinizer0520:04
sixwheeledbeastBad internet and had to get back to work20:04
sixwheeledbeastYou made reference to these:
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sixwheeledbeastflopswap has to have swaps in 0p3, 1p2 and 1p3 to work.20:10
DocScrutinizer05but your flowswap probably gets confused when /proc/swaps says "mmcblk0p3" but in /proc/diskstats there's only a "mmcblk1p3" (which happens to be the same)20:14
sixwheeledbeastI have yet to see this happen, or have any reports of issues...20:15
sixwheeledbeastdoesnt this happen with no uSD?20:15
DocScrutinizer05look at my pastebin20:15
DocScrutinizer05when you boot system with uSD the in early boot uSD is mmcblk0 and eMMC is mmcblk1. Later during boot those devices get swapped, but that doesn't take effect for /proc/partitions, /proc/diskstat and probably a few others20:16
DocScrutinizer05it however DOES take effect for /proc/swaps20:17
DocScrutinizer05since - I guess - the renaming is done before swapon20:17
DocScrutinizer05and no, this doesn't happen without uSD since then the eMMC is mmcblk020:18
sixwheeledbeastso these are two different devices? do they both have uSD cards installed?20:18
infobotsixwheeledbeast meant: does this happen with no uSD?20:18
DocScrutinizer05since the kernel names first device it detects mmcblk0 and the next one mmcblk1 (a.s.o.)20:19
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DocScrutinizer05[2013-06-19 14:34:15] <DocScrutinizer05> is how it looked before I removed the uSD, on device which booten with uSD inserted20:20
DocScrutinizer05and this is after I removed uSD on that device20:21
DocScrutinizer05(I did some browsing to bump up cache)20:21
sixwheeledbeastHow many swap partitions do you have?20:23
DocScrutinizer05I'm waiting on the other device for the calibration cycle to finish, then I'll reboot that one with and without uSD - that's however a PR1.2++ with hostmode kernel20:24
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: how is number of my swap partitions relevant? I haven't even installed flopswap20:24
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DocScrutinizer05I just checked whole tmo thread if your flopswap handles this insane device-renaming somewhere, and since I didn't find anything I thought I introduce the issue to you20:26
sixwheeledbeastWell thank you. I wasn't aware and haven't had any issues yet. I will look into it.20:27
sixwheeledbeastI have yet to see a device with 0p1 0p2 0p3 missing in diskstats20:27
sixwheeledbeastlike your pastebin20:27
DocScrutinizer05you usually won't since that only happens when you remove uSD20:28
DocScrutinizer05the usual situation is that you see both 0p? and 1p? just they are *swapped*20:28
DocScrutinizer05SCRN ;-D20:28
DocScrutinizer05SCNR even20:29
DocScrutinizer05I noticed it by the size in /proc/partitions20:29
DocScrutinizer05since my uSD is only 16GB20:29
sixwheeledbeastWell flopswap pushes swap to 0p3 (emmc) before ejecting the uSD20:30
DocScrutinizer05well, that's fine since after renaming the names apply to swapon as well20:30
DocScrutinizer05just you usage-calculation will deliver absolutely bogux values20:31
sixwheeledbeastat this point flopswap calculations are disabled until 1p2 and 1p3 reappear.20:31
DocScrutinizer05still you calculate the values for eMMC when you calculate anything20:31
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DocScrutinizer05you determine the active swap by cat /proc/swaps | awk '/dev/ {print $1}' | cut -d "/" -f 320:34
DocScrutinizer05this returns mmcblk0p320:35
DocScrutinizer05the statistics you acquire via blocks=$(awk '{if ($3=="'"$disk"'") print $10}' /proc/diskstats) however..20:37
DocScrutinizer05returns the statistics for uSD for disk=mmcblk0p320:37
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DocScrutinizer05and eMMC for for disk=mmcblk1p320:37
sixwheeledbeastbut AFAIK if swap is 0p3 this is ignored and "Not available on Device Swap" is displayed.20:39
sixwheeledbeastpeterl wrote a large part of this script.20:39
DocScrutinizer05I.E. when both mmcblk0 and mmcblk1 are present in /proc/diskstats and you assume the uSD has been inserted at boottime already, then you need to use 0p3 for statistics when proc/swap says 1p3, and you need to use 1p3 for statistics when /proc/swaps says 0p320:40
DocScrutinizer05I haven't looked into that script, I thought if it had such special handling then this would've been mentioned in tmo thread or by you here in IRC today, meanwhile20:41
DocScrutinizer05you can easily reproduce the proof: disable flowswap resp move swap to eMMC. do20:44
DocScrutinizer05cat /proc/swaps | awk '/dev/ {print $1}' | cut -d "/" -f 320:44
DocScrutinizer05cat /proc/diskstats20:44
DocScrutinizer05then remove uSD (nothig should happen since swap is on eMMC, right?)20:44
DocScrutinizer05and do both commands again20:45
DocScrutinizer05you'll instantly notice the problem when you carefully compare the device names in proc/swaps and proc/diskstats20:45
DocScrutinizer05if you can't reproduce this, then I'd be highly interested to hear about it20:46
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sixwheeledbeastthank you very much for bringing it to my attn. unfortunately g2g. I will look into this and what you just suggested.20:46
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sixwheeledbeastI would be interest of your opinion of the scripts if you have time to poke in the sources. thanks a lot.20:47
DocScrutinizer05sure, will try to find some time to look into them20:47
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XATRIXHI again, i tried multiple times, and can't make my mmc1 work with 2 partitions20:53
XATRIXIt can work (boot) with one, but the other is unreachable by windows20:53
XATRIXin storage mode20:53
XATRIXit detects 2nd partition, but unable to do anything with it20:54
DocScrutinizer05that's what I told you from beginning20:56
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DocScrutinizer05a CD isn't supposed to have a MBR20:58
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DocScrutinizer05so, bogus MBR, bogus partitions20:59
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DocScrutinizer05while maybe your BIOS is able to use that "device" for booting, your windows has no clue how to handle a harddisk that has one partition that's a CD21:00
DocScrutinizer05CDs are not supposed the be a partition among others on a HDD21:02
XATRIXno no no21:03
XATRIXi was able to boot from21:03
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XATRIXEven i was able to access partition from windows21:03
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DocScrutinizer05that's why I said "there's no partition type ID (like 81) for ISO9660"21:04
XATRIXbut the second one - i created , fat32 for music,pics,porn - wasn't able to mount in windows21:04
DocScrutinizer05yes, since no CD ever has a second partition21:04
XATRIXhmmm....but my primary is not a cd21:05
XATRIXwait a sec21:05
DocScrutinizer05that doesn't matter since, as I said two lines up, no HDD has a CD as second partition21:06
DocScrutinizer05neither as first21:06
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keriofwiw, it's a windows thing21:07
DocScrutinizer05when your BIOS detects that device as a CD, then probably windows will refuse to look for any partitions on it, since the BIOS tells windows about the type of device. And even when not told by BIOS, I'd guess windows is confused to hell by such a setup21:07
keriobecause iso9660 is a perfectly legit filesystem21:07
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DocScrutinizer05NOT as a partition21:07
keriowhy? :V21:08
Palibecause iso9660 has not assigned MBR id21:08
DocScrutinizer05for same reasons you can't have a physical drive as partition of a physical drive21:08
keriobut... `mount -t iso9660 partition mountpoint` :(21:09
DocScrutinizer05there's no way to have MBR in MBR in MBR21:09
XATRIX  -  a few pics21:09
keriowhy can't i do that?21:09
Palion linux you can :-)21:09
DocScrutinizer05or phy dev in phy dev in phy dev21:09
Pali$ partx21:09
Pali$ kpartx21:09
DocScrutinizer05ISO9660 is a format for a physical device21:10
DocScrutinizer05and thus has no MBR21:10
XATRIXDocScrutinizer can you look at my pics ?21:10
DocScrutinizer05and thus is supposed to be only "partiton" of that phy device21:10
PaliDocScrutinizer05: I think that El-Torito bootable CD needs some FAT32 partition21:11
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: no, since I donno what to look for21:11
DocScrutinizer05Pali: possible21:11
XATRIXto look for prove of my statement21:11
XATRIXi could write MBR21:11
DocScrutinizer05so what?21:11
XATRIXsyslinux v421:11
XATRIXit's not iso966021:11
Palithis is only way how to make CD bootable (embed bootable fat32 partition into iso9660 image)21:12
Paliif you want bootable iso9660 CD image also bootable from HDD/USB, use isohybrid21:12
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, but still you cant have another partion outside or in parallel to iso9660 on same physical drive21:12
XATRIXDocScrutinizer why i can use multiple partiotion on a standard USB flash disk ? and boot from it ?21:13
Paliyou can use grub2 for that :-)21:13
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: you don't use ISO9660 on USB memstick21:13
Paliyou can tell grub2 that second partition is iso image and you want to boot from it21:13
XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: why ?21:14
PaliXATRIX: or use isohybrid21:14
DocScrutinizer05because a USBstick is no CD21:14
DocScrutinizer05ISO9660 *is* a CD format21:14
Palibios cannot boot from any iso9660 partition (also stored on CD)21:14
XATRIXok... what's the difference between nokia mmc1 and USB memstick?21:14
DocScrutinizer05*only* CD format21:14
Palibios can boot only from embeded FA32 partition21:14
XATRIXyes i know it21:15
Paliand if you want bootable CD you must include bootable FAT32 partition to iso image somehow21:15
XATRIXwhat's the crucial difference between ?21:15
Palibetween what?21:15
XATRIXWhy i can't do the same witch nokia ?21:15
XATRIXUSB memstick vs Nokia mmc1 exported21:15
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: when you dd a iso-image to a partition, you ruin the vfat that's on it21:16
Palithis could be same21:16
XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: it's pretty clear for me.... how should i make the same boot disk on nokia, as i did with USB memstick ?21:16
Paliif you want to boot from ISO image stored on USB memstick (= nokia mmc1), then you first need to make iso image hybrid (by isohybrid) and second you must dd it to full mmc1 device21:17
Paliwithout any partition21:17
Paliisohybrid will create proper MBR table in iso image for booting21:17
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DocScrutinizer05i'd say the same way you did on usb stick ;-)21:17
Paliyes, same way21:17
DocScrutinizer05if that fails then you got one of those "usb-sticks" (here N900) that can't get used for booting21:17
keriohow could it be?21:18
XATRIXPali, usually i use LiveCdCretaor, or Write the image using UltraISO, it does FAT32+syslinux as long as i know21:18
keriojust export the image21:18
XATRIXI currently have 8GB USB memstick, 1partition(2GB) - systemrescuecd , 2nd patition(6GB) - NTFS (video,music,pics)21:19
Paliso do it on mmc121:19
XATRIXI can't21:19
XATRIXIt doesn't support >1 partition21:19
XATRIXOr i do something wrong21:19
Paliand you cannot create more parts also on usb memstick?21:19
DocScrutinizer05that's because N900 doesn't export physical device then21:19
XATRIXPali: actually i can create as many as i need21:20
DocScrutinizer05I said that from beginning21:20
Palin900 export full SD card21:20
XATRIXThe question, is why i can't reproduce it with mmc1 ?21:20
Palibut from eMMC export only MyDocs21:20
DocScrutinizer05and I doubt that21:20
XATRIXDocScrutinizer05: It doesn't export device ?21:20
PaliXATRIX: anwser can be: because windows21:20
PaliI already wrote that windows has bad or none support for raw access, more partitions and other fs...21:21
DocScrutinizer05i'd go for a proper partitioning of a regular HDD, and forget abozut friggin ISO9660 image21:22
XATRIXThat's crap21:22
Paliif you want any linux on your mmc1 do: create MBR parts as you want; format parts; copy all linux files to part(s); install syslinux to MBR; add syslinux config file for loading kernel21:23
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Palithis will work for *any* (normal) linux distribution21:23
DocScrutinizer05for that you'd have to *copy* the CD ISO *content* to first partition (vfat) of your uSD, logical aka file level21:23
Paliyou can replace syslinux by *any* (normal) bootloader which can load & boot linux kernel21:23
DocScrutinizer05lopmount for that21:23
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XATRIXYes, but i wanna have a working partition for files,docs,music as well21:24
XATRIXso i have to have 221:24
XATRIXif it's possible21:24
XATRIXnot to dedicate 32GB for 400MB systemrescuecd image/files :)21:24
PaliXATRIX: use above steps and do not use windows...21:24
XATRIXok :)21:24
DocScrutinizer05yes, just copy *content* of your CD to first partition21:24
ds3this new N900 battery (chinese import) is great... gone 13-14hours w/o complaints of low battery!21:24
ds3and this is with 3G enabled21:25
XATRIXds3: you didn't see russain Siberian analog of chinese battery )21:25
DocScrutinizer05if everything fails, you burn a CD from that ISO, mount the cd and copy the files you find there to first partition of your uSD21:25
ds3XATRIX: nope.21:25
XATRIXok, i'll experiment a bit more21:25
ds3and this one didn't require a new door or anything21:26
PaliI bet there are lot of "how to" on internet for rescue linux distributions and how to "copy" them to any partition with syslinux21:26
DocScrutinizer05honestly forget about ISO9660 on a USB stick21:26
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PaliISO9660 on a USB stick can be only via isohybrid21:27
DocScrutinizer05it might work as long as there's no MBR before the start of ISO image21:27
DocScrutinizer05so the PC thinks it's a CD drive21:27
Paliand this doing now all linux live distributions21:27
XATRIXok (21:28
DocScrutinizer05but a CD drive has nothing like your partitions, neither a MBR21:28
DocScrutinizer05an USBstick is way more like a HDD than like a CD21:29
Paliread this garret's blog:
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Palihere is written how bootable ISO image can be stored on USB stick21:30
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: is gone ;-)21:30
XATRIXi'm here21:31
XATRIXjust moved to laptop21:31
PaliXATRIX: look
XATRIXOk, let's investigate this21:31
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XATRIXThe interesting fact, i've started my girlfriend's Ubuntu, and it automounted 2 partitions from my f**ed up mmc1 :)))))))21:32
XATRIXWindows is a junk21:32
DocScrutinizer05>>One of the fun things about ISO9660 is that it doesn't have a boot sector in the usual x86 sense<<21:32
PaliWindows has none support for HW21:32
XATRIXSounds if :)21:33
XATRIXwait a bit21:33
DocScrutinizer05El Torito !!!! that's been the magic word21:33
XATRIXmy boot partition on mmc1 is not iso 966021:33
XATRIX/dev/sdc5 on /media/xatrix/5308-0520 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush,uhelper=udisks2)21:33
XATRIX/dev/sdc1 on /media/xatrix/sysrcd-3.7. type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush,uhelper=udisks2)21:33
Paliof course, because iso9660 *cannot* be bootable partition21:34
XATRIXSo, what's wrong with fat ? :(21:34
Palithere is no way how to boot from is9660 image21:34
XATRIXfat != iso966021:35
Palifat partition can be bootable21:35
XATRIXi have both fat21:35
Paliinstall that your linux system on that fat partition21:35
XATRIXYes, i have it21:35
Paliand then install syslinux to MBR (and told it to boot from second parition correct kernel/initfs)21:35
Palithats all21:36
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Paliand mark second as bootable21:36
XATRIXYes, currently my mmc1 is bootable21:36
XATRIX      sdc5               NC                 Logical         vfat                                              30222,0621:36
XATRIX                                            Pri/Log         Free Space                                            1,0521:36
XATRIX      sdc1               Boot               Primary         vfat                      [sysrcd-3.7.]            1214,2621:36
XATRIX                                            Primary         Free Space                                            1,0521:36
XATRIXAh, better to paste to pastebin21:37
XATRIXYes, it's crappy partitioning, but i'm experimenting21:37
XATRIXI can boot from this mmc121:37
XATRIXBut in windows, i can't run both patitions mounted21:37
XATRIXOnly one is operating21:37
DocScrutinizer05well, blame windows21:38
XATRIXI have to solve it somehow21:38
DocScrutinizer05I'm afk, this is getting exhausting21:38
XATRIXok, anyway thanks for the help21:38
DocScrutinizer05read the very fine article Pali linked for you21:39
DocScrutinizer05it tells you how to create a usbstick that can even boot on macintosh21:39
DocScrutinizer05and it explains all the nasty tricks needed to establish that21:39
DocScrutinizer05like: on a CD the first few sectors are bootloader code. On a HDD it's supposed to be the partition table21:40
DocScrutinizer05so you either run your partition table as code, or you consider your bootloader code as partition table21:41
DocScrutinizer05neither makes sense21:41
DocScrutinizer05so what those guys do is vreate a partition with a MBR and a bootloader that loads the ISO image21:42
XATRIXOk, gonna find the way out of this :)21:42
DocScrutinizer05I told you one way out of this: handle your USB stick like a normal HDD, install a system on it, incl bootloader, MBR and all21:43
DocScrutinizer05you find the files for that system on the CD your burned from your ISO21:43
XATRIXgive me some time to handle it21:44
DocScrutinizer05or you google for "create bootable usb memory stick from ISO9660"21:45
DocScrutinizer05or you read that article that pali linked for you, i guess it will come up with instructions eventually21:46
DocScrutinizer05  >>How to "burn" an ISO to USB flash drive?<<21:47
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XATRIXwow wow.. keep it calm :) I can't make it so fast :)21:49
XATRIXI'm examining Pali's article21:49
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DocScrutinizer05examine the last link I posted!21:52
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DocScrutinizer05it sounds pretty much like the question got posted by you ;-D21:53
DocScrutinizer05are you "astroboy"?21:53
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DocScrutinizer05alas all this still doesn't solve your problem with making a second partition on USB stick available21:57
DocScrutinizer05but then, you could store stuff on the first partition that also holds the iso, I guess21:58
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DocScrutinizer05or you follow my advice and simply install a linux system to first partition of your USB stick, preferrably one that's meant to be able to clone itself to another harddisk. Google for Knoppix for example21:59
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DocScrutinizer05(though meanwhile virtually all live-distros should have a clone-to-HDD feature22:01
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DocScrutinizer05((you could store stuff on the first partition...)) actually you'd want to fix the actual size of the partition. (see >>0800 indicates that it's using 2048-byte sectors. The 9090 is a lie to convince the firmware that it's not a zero-sized disk without representing dangerous code.<<) You *might* be lucky with *first* dd-ing your ISO to the raw USB device (mmc5) and *THEN* creating one huge vfat22:12
DocScrutinizer05partition with fdisk, but *not* formating it with mkfs.vfat since that would ruin your ISO. If you're less lucky, your partition size is not a harmless opcode like "9090" and makes your PC to hang during boot. If you're however *extremely* lucky, you might even get away with creating two partitions - the forst one size of your ISO file plus a few MB for headroom, and then a second partition that you can mess around with all the way you22:12
DocScrutinizer05like (mkfs, write to, whatnot). Windows should detect both partitions (unless you booted from first one maybe) and due to your extreme luck the MBR you wrote is still as harmless as the 9090 above22:12
DocScrutinizer05XATRIX: ^^^22:12
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DocScrutinizer05then - if I understand your original intentions correct - there's a completely different approach to your problem, and that's by tweaking the way maemo fremantle exports the uSD22:18
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DocScrutinizer05so you would either use mass storage mode to have normal access to normal files as usuall, or you would use a special command that does exactly that: export only the ISO so arbitrary PC can boot from it22:19
DocScrutinizer05*maybe* you could even export both concurrently22:20
DocScrutinizer05but that's not exactly a trivial hack22:21
Win7MacDocScrutinizer05, you'd make a perfect Linux professor22:22
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Win7MacIs there some kind of statistics about daily visitors, new registrations and whatnot on and/or TMO?22:36
tissiSo I followed this guide ( to utilize microsd partition as swap memory22:36
tissigot it working fine, but after reboot the memory seems gone22:37
tissiconky says i just have 256 + 768 which is the normal ram / swap amount i think22:37
DocScrutinizer05what else do you expect to find?22:38
DocScrutinizer05sounds pretty OKish to me22:39
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DocScrutinizer05moving swap to uSD is not about any additional memory22:39
tissiFrom what i understood i didn't move the swap22:42
tissii mean the eMMC swap is still in use22:43
tissiafter initial success, conky told me i have 1,2 GB swap22:43
tissiseems odd that it doesn't report that amount anymore22:43
Lava_Croftcat /proc/swaps shows if you correctly moved swap22:45
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tissiyup it doesnt realize there's the microsd swap22:46
tissionly sees mmcblk0p322:47
DocScrutinizer05and 1.2GB of swap are an idicator for sth gone wrong22:47
Lava_Croftunless you want 1.2gb of swap:)22:47
tissiwell thats what it initially showed22:48
DocScrutinizer05check out
tissinontheless its obvious that the microsd swap isn't working correctly22:48
Lava_Croftif you use flopswap, make sure swapset and ereswap are not installed22:48
Lava_Croftflopswap seems a nice, user-friendly solution22:48
Lava_Crofttissi: that depends22:48
Lava_Croftcan you do swapon on the swap partition on SD22:48
Lava_Croftas root22:48
DocScrutinizer05cat /proc/swaps22:49
Lava_Croftthat didnt show it22:49
tissiyeah now its there22:50
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DocScrutinizer05swapon /dev/mmcblk1p322:50
tissipriority is -1 on 0p3 and -2 on 1p222:50
tissishould i change both to 0 or something22:50
DocScrutinizer05swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p322:50
DocScrutinizer05no, you shouldn't use 2 swaps at all22:50
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DocScrutinizer05striping swap doesn't pan out on fremantle22:52
tissiguide recommends that22:53
DocScrutinizer05in the end you can't increase the *real* speed of swapping by adding more swap devices22:53
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* Win7Mac wonders if there are some kind of statistics available about daily visitors, new registrations and whatnot on and/or TMO?22:54
Win7Macwhat, me?22:56
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Win7Macoh no...22:56
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GeneralAntillesMeeting today?22:59
DocScrutinizer05I suggest GeneralAntilles as successor for Jim Jagielski on Bod. I ask Woody14619 to support this movement23:00
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GeneralAntillesI suggest suggestions23:04
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DocScrutinizer51Woody14619: can you provide some background for the reasons of this new 'uncident' (or shall I call it fatality)?23:15
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DocScrutinizer51incident even23:15
lastaidhey, i am having huge problems with my cssu n900 lately, cannot access gmail, sometimes sms dont get send as well as skype23:16
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Woody14619Not a clue.  Just fired off an e-mail asking him for info, but doubt I'll get a reply.23:18
DocScrutinizer51Woody14619: please talk with GeneralAntilles (or whomever else of potential future BoD) about suceeding Jim23:20
DocScrutinizer51we still have that 5 day issue23:21
Win7MacJim stepped down?23:21
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GeneralAntillesWell then23:41
Win7MacOMG, just today...23:41
Woody14619Under and hour ago, in fact.23:42
Win7Macthat sucks23:42
n900-dk_How short a career can one have on Bod...wonder if it would improve my CV..23:42
n900-dk_curriculum vitae23:44
Win7Macahh, thanks23:44
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n900-dk_yw :)23:44
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DocScrutinizer51GeneralAntilles: you're available for a stand-in?23:53
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GeneralAntillesSuppose so23:55
GeneralAntillesI'm running, right?23:55
DocScrutinizer51so for all I can tell you need to proxy Jim for max 9 days23:56
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Win7MacGA, and can you join the meeting tomorrow?23:57
GeneralAntillesYes, 1400 UTC, right?23:58
DocScrutinizer51might be correct23:58
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