IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Monday, 2012-07-16

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Palimerlin1991, operator name widget is already fixed in my git branch09:56
Palisee irc log about all patches for cssu09:56
Palimerlin1991, see http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2012-07-09.log.html#t2012-07-09T10:19:3509:57
kerioPali: fixed how? :o09:59
kerioanyway, the operator name widget started working correctly for me09:59
kerionot sure what happened before09:59
Palikerio, operator widget was moved to deb package where was originally by nokia09:59
kerioi see09:59
kerioAND WHERE IS KP5110:00
Palikerio, is all working in kp51?10:00
kerioPali: everything i tried, yeah10:00
keriobut i tried very little10:00
kerio\_o_/10:00
Paliok, I have no problems too10:00
Pali(only packet injection drivers drain battery - but they are disabled by default)10:01
kerioPali: any way to get binary compatibility with omap1?10:01
Palinot possible10:01
keriofreemangordon was talking about something like that, but for the thumb2 patch only10:01
Palikp will never have same ABI as omap110:02
kerioshame10:02
keriothat means that kp can't be the default kernel for cssu :(10:02
keriowhat about omap1+thumb?10:03
PaliI do not see reason why you cannot use hp with cssu10:05
kerioit's not about using10:05
kerioit's about it being the default10:05
keriothe stock kernel is no good if you want to ship thumb2 binaries10:05
PaliI mean internal kernel ABI (kernel modules compiled for omap1 are not compatible with kp)10:05
Palibut every kernel based on nokia omap1 should work without problem with Maemo 510:06
kerioPali: freemangordon said he'd try to get omap1 patched with the thumb2 patch in a way that leaves it ABI compatible with the stock omap110:06
Paliok, but I do not see reason why to use nokia omap1 kernel...10:07
keriobecause cssu has to be compatible with eventual third-party software that ships his own modules10:07
kerioor something10:07
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DocScrutinizer05there are high hopes by some for a cssu-kernel that brings thumb2 and whatnot while keeping ABI compatibility as the ABI is my killer argument why we won't roll CSSU-kernel ;-)10:09
DocScrutinizer05FMG argument is even Nokia shipped thumb binaries blobs with PR, and actually sucha kernel was one of the easiest fixes for that (if it holds true)10:12
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* DocScrutinizer05 also doubts how you could guarantee all addr of new kernel will be compatible with omap1 stock kernel, even if you force version string and all10:13
keriowell10:13
keriofind / -exec file "{}" ";" | grep humb10:14
kerio:D10:14
DocScrutinizer05oh? file will know about thumb?10:14
kerioisn't it a different architecture?10:14
DocScrutinizer05no10:14
keriohm, how do you identify a thumb binary then?10:15
DocScrutinizer05not at all, or by searching for errr ... BX instructions10:15
DocScrutinizer05AIUI if you branch/jump to an impair addr it will jump to next (lower?) pair addr but assume now there's thumb instructions. vice versa for pair jumb addr10:17
DocScrutinizer05AIUI those brnaches are called BX?10:17
DocScrutinizer05also there may (but not must) be instructions in the binary that are invalid for ARM instr set10:18
DocScrutinizer05and the virtual non-detectability of thumb binaries is the whole drama10:20
DocScrutinizer05kerio: hope that helped (a bit)10:21
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: is there no way to ask the kernel?10:23
DocScrutinizer05the kernel? how is the kernel supposed to know?10:25
DocScrutinizer05you probably could ask a debugger/disassembler10:26
DocScrutinizer05which basically is what we do10:27
DocScrutinizer05to spot thumb binaries10:27
DocScrutinizer05but it's not all that trivial to distinguish data bytes and executable bytes in a file, you basically actually had to completely disassemble the binary10:29
DocScrutinizer05if you have self-modifying code (something generally considered bad practice or even forbidden), you have an even harder time to analyze and spot thumb in there10:31
keriodid nokia say anything wrt the shipped thumb2 blobs?10:32
DocScrutinizer05ask FMG10:32
DocScrutinizer05afaik it's yet to be confirmed there are any10:32
DocScrutinizer05my guess: some not completely trivial cases where the usual tools run into trouble and might give flase positives10:33
DocScrutinizer05I.E. interpreting embedded data chunks as instructions10:34
DocScrutinizer05you know there even might be embedded thumb inline assembler in a binary compiled with no-thumb, but the code is ain a dead branch. You'd need to find out about it being dead code at least by a code coverage analysis10:44
keriooh god why10:45
keriothat's...10:45
kerioD:10:45
keriowhy does it even *exist*?10:45
DocScrutinizer05why get chips with such a silicon erratum ever sold and mounted to a PCB? that's the right question10:50
DocScrutinizer05why didn't Nokia sell the first 800k devices with such broken SoC to TI and ordered a second batch of chips with good thumb safe BPB?10:53
keriobecause fuckin' nokia, as usual10:54
kerioalso wasn't the n900 already pretty late?10:54
keriomaybe they figured that they were going to lose too much money by delaying it more10:54
DocScrutinizer05even more interesting: why didn't Nokia think to implement that workaround from beginning? AIUI it been already there when they started to roll out N90010:54
DocScrutinizer05did they *maybe* know something FMG hasn't found out yet?10:55
PaliDocScrutinizer, what do you think, should I push my patches for cssu to merlin cssu-devel repo?11:01
DocScrutinizer05all "experts" so far said "no, don't do it!" and then stopped further explanations. Maybe something very complex? something embarrassing? something you mustn't get to know without signing a NDA?11:01
DocScrutinizer05ask merlin11:01
DocScrutinizer05Pali: ^^^11:01
keriofuck the expert, thumb2-compiled browserd is the shit11:02
kerios/rt/rts/11:02
keriowait, where's infobot? :o11:02
Paliok, I wait for merlin11:02
DocScrutinizer05*sigh* she's out for a looong shopping again11:02
DocScrutinizer05infobot, biatch! come back home!11:03
PaliDocScrutinizer, so change her :-)11:03
keriowait, infobot is a she? :O11:03
DocScrutinizer05she never attacked you yet?11:04
DocScrutinizer05dang, that's scary!11:04
kerioi bet she likes me :311:04
DocScrutinizer05yeah, she has weird ideas about friend or foe ;-P11:05
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DocScrutinizerpovbot_: seen infobot11:16
povbot_DocScrutinizer: infobot was last seen in #maemo-ssu 1 day, 21 hours, 7 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: * infobot bends DocScrutinizer05 over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on DocScrutinizer05's pasty white buttocks.11:16
keriooh infobot11:16
kerioyou so silly11:17
DocScrutinizer05she's obviously kinda transsexual11:18
DocScrutinizer05or she's bending me over MY knee :-o11:19
kerioDocScrutinizer05: have you been using KP51?11:19
DocScrutinizer05nope11:19
keriodo you use KP at all?11:19
DocScrutinizer05not really11:19
keriostrange11:20
kerioany particular reason beyond "i don't need it"?11:20
kerioi mean, are you against it for some reason?11:20
kerio(is it the OC?)11:21
PaliDocScrutinizer, do you need something more in kp?11:28
DocScrutinizer05Pali: sorry, can't tell for sure now. My guess is "no"11:28
DocScrutinizer05kerio: no particular reason, I just don't need it11:29
Palisysfs for usb host device speed, sysfs for bq27200 and bq24150 and sysfs for thumb are already included in kp5111:29
Pali*sysfs for bq registers11:29
DocScrutinizer05yeah, noticed that11:29
DocScrutinizer05I actually might ponder to switch to kp51... maybe11:30
PaliI'm going to push kp51 to extras-devel11:30
PaliI did not see any errors/problems11:31
DocScrutinizer05Pali: many mayn thansk! So I don't have to kill kerio ;-P11:31
DocScrutinizer05Pali: somebody got a point in stating extras-devel is the place where new slightly tested KP should live11:33
DocScrutinizer05now that promoting seems to work again11:34
Paliok11:34
kerioit was me! i got that point!11:34
DocScrutinizer05those who need a "rock solid" KP are meant to use extras11:34
DocScrutinizer05so please make sure there's such a KP version in extras11:35
DocScrutinizer05or at least extras-testing11:35
kerioi wonder how much time it'll take for cleven to be updated11:35
kerioPali: are you going to ship your scripts with kernel-power too?11:38
kerioalso, how are dependencies on kernel-features work for people who use bootimgs?11:38
Pali-bootimg and -flasher has same features except kernel-feature-errata-430973-workaround (only in -flasher)11:40
DocScrutinizer05now THAT is one very good question11:40
kerioi see11:40
keriowell, people who use bootimgs know how to deal with stuff11:40
Palithis is because apt-get and HAM prefer installing -bootimg instead -flasher with cssu metapackage11:40
keriooh11:41
kerio...i don't even11:41
Palikernel-power-settings was pushed to extras-devel11:41
DocScrutinizer05actually we'd need a runtime check for those properties, some sort of.11:42
kerioand do what, if it fails?11:43
DocScrutinizer05at least for those who run same rootfs with different kernel flavours11:43
Palinow uploaded kp5111:44
Pali280KB/s11:44
DocScrutinizer05well, obviously that's up to the app to decide what to do when current kernel doesn't provide features the app relies on11:44
kerioPali: are you shipping the scripts too?11:44
DocScrutinizer05h-e-n for example warns user, and iirc then it quits11:44
Palia lot of features are "I'm providing kernel module XYZ"11:45
Palikerio, scripts no11:45
kerio:c11:45
keriowhy not? they could've been in settings11:45
Paliand others can be checked at runtime via sysfs11:45
DocScrutinizer05yup11:45
Palikerio, I written only 2 scripts: one for usb host mode and second for packet injection11:46
kerioPali: perfect for -settings11:46
Palifirst will be part of my package where will be also status menu plugin for swicthing hostmode11:46
keriooic11:46
Palisecond is still unstable11:46
keriooh well, i hope cleven takes your packet injection script11:46
kerioor something11:46
Paliyes cleven is better place11:46
Palikernel-power-settings is builded: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/kernel-power-settings_0.15/11:47
kerioyay builds11:47
Palikp 51 was uploaded11:48
Palibuilding failed :-(11:53
Palifuck, stupid autobuilder, it did not pushed package wl1251-maemo-source to extras-devel: https://maemo.org/packages/view/wl1251-maemo-source/11:54
Paliwl1251-maemo-source was successfull builded 2012-07-09 08:04 UTC11:54
Palibut autobuilde did not copied package to extras-devel: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/w/11:55
Paliso kernel-power AGAIN is not in extras-devel....11:55
Palihttps://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/kernel-power_2.6.28-10power51/11:55
PaliE: Couldn't find package wl1251-maemo-source11:56
Paligiving up, autobuilder is shit11:56
keriocan't you upload a binary?11:57
keriooh, trust issues11:59
kerioi see11:59
Paliping X-Fade12:03
kerioX-Fade: ping!12:03
PaliX-Fade, autobuilder cannot build kernel-power, package wl1251-maemo-source missing in repository. wl1251 was builded but not pushed to extras-devel http://maemo.org/packages/view/wl1251-maemo-source/ see ^^^^12:04
Paliwhen will be OBS working???12:06
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keriopovbot_: seen X-Fade14:11
povbot_kerio: X-Fade was last seen in #maemo-ssu 9 weeks, 5 days, 20 hours, 43 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <X-Fade> merlin1991: Yeah, I guess a big cleanup is in order. It is just a massive pain..14:11
keriooh shit14:11
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merlin1991Pali: could you summarize your patches, or should I read through the backlog?16:32
Palimerlin1991, sum is here: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2012-07-09.log.html#t2012-07-09T10:19:3516:32
Paliand one line info for each patch is here: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2012-07-09.log.html#t2012-07-09T09:28:4716:33
merlin1991do we want to auto enable usb network in pc-suite mode?16:34
merlin1991I'll have to try on windows what happens wihen we do that, I fear it's going to be bad :/16:35
tadzikyes please :)16:35
merlin1991(usb network needs a special driver under windows which is not shipped with the pc suite)16:35
Palimerlin1991, it is problem that windows do not have driver?16:38
merlin1991I'll see16:38
merlin1991at least each user of windows will have an ugly error message each time plugging in the n90016:38
merlin1991dunno if it also breaks pc-suite stuff16:38
Palimerlin1991, so what about checking if exists file /etc/enable-usb-network?16:39
merlin1991that sounds more sensible16:39
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: did you write the sample for the mounting hook into the wiki yet?16:39
Paliok, I will create new patch/commit for that checking. File will be /etc/pcsuite-usb-network16:40
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Palimerlin1991, patch pushed to my cloned git repo16:43
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merlin1991Pali: what's your avaiability tomorrow evening?17:29
Palimerlin1991, I should be online until 20:00 +020017:32
merlin1991any chance you can stay longer?17:32
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PaliI do not know now17:32
keriowhat about g_ether for when it's in no mode?17:37
Palino mode?17:38
kerioneither pc-suite mode nor mass storage mode17:39
Palinot possible17:39
kerionot possible to autoenable it?17:40
Palialways is loaded g_file_storage which is used also for some detection (I see that BME using it)17:40
Palionly in pc-suite mode is g_file_storage replaced by g_nokia17:40
Palialso for usb host mode is needed to have g_file_storage loaded17:41
keriohm17:41
keriois this new to pr1.3?17:41
kerioi distinctly remember having usb networking in "just charge" mode17:41
merlin1991kerio: there's always a module loaded17:42
merlin1991so when you tap outside the selection you get whatever has been loaded before17:42
kerioi see17:42
Paliyou can have g_file_storage loaded but nothing exported to usb17:43
Paliyou can export /dev/mmc devices at runtime (something like echo /dev/... > /sys/...)17:44
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kerioPali: does your hostmode script take care of loaded modules?17:44
Paliyes17:44
Paliscript autoload needed gadget module17:44
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ShadowX Hey guys.... any1 know what's the name of the app that's doing the password lock on the phone ? ( I want to add it to the blacklist so it dosnt rotate ...it's not fully visible in portrait mode)20:02
ShadowX^^ on maemo20:06
ShadowXhm.... it look like its part o the 'systemui' process ... (if i'm understanding it right), so this leads me to my next question, is it even possible to stop the rotation of the password lock , without stopping autororation for other stuff20:19
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merlin1991arcean: what's your avaiablility tomorrow evening?20:38
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merlin1991freemangordon: do you have any plans tomorrow evening?21:26
keriomerlin1991: why not this evening? :D21:26
merlin1991because at least 1 days notice for a meeting should be there ;)21:27
merlin1991I'd prefer to do it later in the week but thereas always somebody not around21:27
merlin1991thus tomorrow, or next week21:27
keriobut... why not now? :c21:28
kerioi'm bored21:28
merlin1991we're not your private entertainment service ;)21:29
freemangordonmerlin1991: by what time21:30
keriofreemangordon: you're here!21:31
keriohi!21:31
freemangordonhi21:31
merlin1991freemangordon: whenever you can21:31
freemangordonjust came home21:31
merlin1991preferable early because pali can't stay long21:31
freemangordon:(21:31
merlin1991so what's your timeframe?21:31
Palimerlin1991, I really do not know know I will be online tomorrow :-(21:31
merlin1991dang21:32
PaliI will be online for sure before 12:00 +0200 and 13:00 +0200 to 16:00 +020021:32
freemangordonmerlin1991: It will be hard for me to be productive before 10:30 - 11:00 local. that is 7:30-8:00 utc I think21:32
merlin1991Pali: are you sure about +02? I think you're in +03?21:33
freemangordon:nod:21:33
Palidate -R: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:33:47 +020021:33
Palino idea where I'm, but this is my time :D21:34
merlin1991that's cet21:34
freemangordonhmm, that is strange21:34
merlin1991Pali: which country do you live in?21:34
PaliSlovakia21:34
Pali(now)21:35
merlin1991yeah I think slovakia ist still in cet21:35
freemangordonso, it is the same as here, utc+321:36
Paliyes21:36
merlin1991freemangordon: no, slovakia is still cet so utc+221:37
freemangordonaaah, no summer time?21:37
merlin1991cet usually is +1, only with summertime it is +221:38
freemangordonok, seems after 8 hours of driving I am a little tired :)21:38
merlin1991poland, slovakia, hungary and serbia are the east border of the cet timezone21:39
freemangordonyeah, they are in CEST, here is EEST, i got it correctly now :)21:40
freemangordonmerlin1991: anyway, did you find mag?21:41
merlin1991yes he said he can be around tmorrow and wednesday or today, but I thought today is too early and on wednesday I'm away21:41
freemangordonwell, I have time today, Pali seems here, maybe we can try do do it now21:43
freemangordonof others are here too21:44
freemangordon*if21:44
keriowho else do you need, merlin1991?21:54
kerioMohammadAG?21:54
MohammadAGkerio: You rang?21:54
MohammadAGI'm not dead you know21:54
kerioMohammadAG: merlin1991 is convoking a secret SSU meeting or something21:55
MohammadAGkerio: Yes, it's just a cover up for us selling drugs on #maemo21:56
DocScrutinizer51and the quality of that crack is still abyssmal21:58
DocScrutinizer51also waiting 3 weeks for the pusher sucks ;-P22:00
kerioand elop decided to move from crack to a weird oriental drug that nobody wants to buy22:07
Palifreemangordon, autobuilder cannot build kp51: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/kernel-power_2.6.28-10power51/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt22:17
Paliproblem is in packet injection drivers...22:17
PaliFATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686-bigmem/modules.dep: No such file or directory22:18
Paliwtf is 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem?22:18
freemangordonPali: disable those for x86, enable them only for armel build22:19
DocScrutinizer06yay!!22:20
Palithis is in armel build!22:20
Paliarmel.build.log.FAILED.txt22:20
DocScrutinizer06fmg for president22:20
freemangordonaah, yeah :D:D:D22:21
freemangordonI told you, I drove for the last 8 or so hours, so forgive me :D22:21
* DocScrutinizer06 hands fmg a pipe with some of the abyssmal crack22:22
freemangordonthanks doc22:22
DocScrutinizer06"buddy! you still can bake cookies with it!"22:23
DocScrutinizer06OMAP(4) hw IRQ details, anybody?22:24
DocScrutinizer06things like: "does the hw-irq-controller need a clock? even for edge-triggered?"22:25
DocScrutinizer06"would it miss 'extremely short' pulses when on extremely low clock?"22:26
DocScrutinizer06"even on edge triggered mode"22:27
merlin1991DocScrutinizer06: what's your timeframe of avaiablility tomorrow evening?22:27
merlin1991also did you add your sample for ke-recv hooks to the wiki yet?22:27
DocScrutinizer06tomorrow evening? I'm gonna shoot myself22:27
DocScrutinizer06my example for ke-recv? I think I already forgot what it was22:28
DocScrutinizer06I know we got some hooks there, nfc for what and how to use them22:28
merlin1991hm shooting oneself does not sound so productive22:28
DocScrutinizer06it sounds incredibly relaxing22:29
merlin1991and the hook is about the decision to mount or not, the patch came from you22:29
DocScrutinizer06:nod:22:29
DocScrutinizer06anyway I'm off, headesking a bit. Maybe I'll be back in an hour or so22:30
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DocScrutinizer06http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2012-04-23.log.html#t2012-04-23T00:14:56  too bad the pastebin expired22:33
DocScrutinizer06DocScrutinizernote that this is only one example how user might want to implement blacklisting. We don't want to enforce this, so won't ship this file or include the code to osso-mmc-mount.sh00:2122:34
DocScrutinizer06DocScrutinizerwe just offer this example code somewhere for download and tweaking to user's liking00:2222:34
DocScrutinizer06DocScrutinizermuch similar to bootmenu hook22:34
DocScrutinizer06now if I had a clue what for to grep on my disk, I probably could dig up the file this pastebin came from22:35
DocScrutinizer06dnag! I found mmc-rename.sh22:41
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DocScrutinizer06sorry, probably gone forever22:45
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DocScrutinizer06merlin1991: http://pastebin.ca/2171650 here you are (though I'd write some details a tad different, e.g. use logger instead >> ${BLACKLIST}.log)22:54
DocScrutinizer06ooh, actually there's a logger call in there as well22:56
DocScrutinizer06merlin1991: so pretty please c&p that stuff to where ever you think it belongs to22:56
merlin1991http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features ;)22:57
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keriowait, blacklisting of what?22:57
DocScrutinizer06of ke-recv automounting of mmc22:59
DocScrutinizer06uSD22:59
merlin1991blacklisting partitions from getting automounted22:59
DocScrutinizer06whatever22:59
kerioi see22:59
kerioneat22:59
merlin1991the hook has been there since the last testing release23:00
merlin1991only nobody bothered to dokument it23:00
DocScrutinizer06merlin1991: check filenames, I think we changed the well known file name of hook script from /etc/default/osso-mmc-blacklist.sh to sth else23:00
merlin1991DocScrutinizer06: yeah I'll have good look before I put it on the wiki23:00
DocScrutinizer06merlin1991: my suggestion: get a dedicated dir, like /etc/ke-recv_automount_blacklist23:01
DocScrutinizer06merlin1991: change that one line:23:01
kerioyou mean ke-recv_automount_blacklist.d23:02
DocScrutinizer06-- grep "$PDEV" ${BLACKLIST} > /dev/null23:02
DocScrutinizer06++ grep "$PDEV" ${BLACKLIST}/* > /dev/null23:02
DocScrutinizer06kerio: yep23:02
NIN101to blacklist, simply edit /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh23:03
DocScrutinizer06cheers and c u l8r23:03
DocScrutinizer06NIN101: haha, that's what cssu does afaik23:03
DocScrutinizer06so we probably don't want to redo that editing each time we update cssu23:04
NIN101so then as you suggested, grep "$PDEV" $BLACKLIST_FILE && exit  in that file somewhere.23:04
DocScrutinizer06NIN101: it's like saying: for bootmenu simply edit /sbin/preinit23:05
DocScrutinizer06and now for real: cya folks23:06
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