| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, should be. | 00:02 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Just gotta leverage myself out of bed on my day off. :D | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hehe | 00:03 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | tissi: if you are still about ... "flopswap" and "I" recommend two swap spaces on uSD. However only one should be "active" at anyone time. Stripping swap (two active swap locations) is no use. | 00:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | FlopSwap does all of this swapon swapoff for you. You only have to provide linux swap @ 0p3 1p2 and 1p3 and then use the GUI. | 01:02 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer51: http://redd.it/1go1te "What do you own more than 5 of? Why?" | 01:19 |
| kerio | n900s? :D | 01:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure there are many categories I could check that box for. | 01:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maemo devices might count. | 01:22 |
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| freemangordon | hi guys | 01:29 |
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| Win7Mac | how ya like me now?: http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon_Foundation/Board_candidate_declarations_for_June_2013#Gido_Griese_.28win7mac.29 | 01:34 |
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| Win7Mac | ^^ formatting seems very counter-intuitive :( | 01:41 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | <<(18:46:13) DocScrutinizer05: if you can't reproduce this, then I'd be highly interested to hear about it>> http://privatepaste.com/dd88063566 | 02:15 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Win7Mac: formatting of the hyperlink? | 02:18 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It's not ideal to have brackets or special chars in headings for this reason. | 02:20 |
| Win7Mac | something like <nowiki/><FONT color="blue">1) ''question?''</font> | 02:20 |
| Win7Mac | it pretends to be a WYSIWYG- editor, but it's not | 02:20 |
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| Win7Mac | not all options available from palette | 02:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | wiki markup :) | 02:21 |
| Win7Mac | ... or editor-options, whatever tools there | 02:22 |
| Win7Mac | yeah markups... | 02:22 |
| Win7Mac | nobody knows naything about it | 02:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast | The <nowiki> is so the questions don't merge into the body of the question and so the color works. | 02:23 |
| Win7Mac | naything sounds funny, but I mean anything | 02:23 |
| Win7Mac | ^ took that from woodys post | 02:23 |
| Win7Mac | no idea that even existed | 02:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I am not too bad with it here's a quick guide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_markup | 02:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I probably wouldn't have bothered with the color and used indents and italics for ease. | 02:27 |
| Win7Mac | thanks, but honestly, it's 2013 and I'm not gonna memorize that wiki. There is an editor, it's just last century... | 02:28 |
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| Win7Mac | that's a wiki or a midgard thing? | 02:29 |
| Win7Mac | I mean the editor is a *^? | 02:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | MediaWiki | 02:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | MediaWiki markup is the most common wiki markup. . . . | 02:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | it's media wiki but it's very old version, I am happy with markup you get used to it. | 02:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll probably go in and clean up all of the formatting. | 02:34 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :) | 02:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Your more than welcome to check the formatting/content on all 1273 articles, if your bored! :P | 02:36 |
| Win7Mac | Oh shit. We won't gain many maintainers with such outdated tools - that's just too much of a hassle. I'm still hoping for midagard one fine day might updateable to latest version. | 02:36 |
| Win7Mac | *might be | 02:37 |
| Win7Mac | ...without loosing all the data | 02:38 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Even the latest midgard isn't "easy" to understand, it's wiki anyway it's mostly user maintained. Bigger fish.... | 02:38 |
| Win7Mac | and auto-links and engines and whatnot | 02:39 |
| * sixwheeledbeast thinks about the fact he's babysitting autobuilder everytime a package hits the devel repos.... | 02:40 | |
| Win7Mac | A better GUI might do wonders, but no clue what's the difference | 02:40 |
| Win7Mac | in versions. | 02:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | midgard NFC. | 02:41 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It's all the things that integrate with midgard that also cause the PITA, in addition to nobody understanding midgard. | 02:43 |
| Win7Mac | kinda got that already from joerg. Probably need to look around here?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_content_management_systems | 02:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It would take months of man hours to rebuild maemo on another system. Anyway I am out, bedtime. TTFN. | 02:45 |
| Win7Mac | alright, good night. | 02:46 |
| robbiethe1st | I'd just take Hildon, finish porting it to Debian and go from there | 02:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | sixwheeledbeast, been there, done that. :) | 02:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, it was fewer articles then. | 02:48 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I still try and clean up the wiki as I go along. Using Special pages to clear out the rubbish etc ... anyway, gn. o/ | 02:50 |
| Win7Mac | o/ | 02:51 |
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| Win7Mac | gn. o/ | 03:30 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/20/microsoft_nokia_merger_no_go/ | 08:21 |
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| Bambi_BOFH | hm... nokia... i've heard of them before somewhere :) | 08:22 |
| bef0rd | http://img.pandawhale.com/41622-Grumpy-cat-good-uUqS.jpeg | 08:22 |
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| fw190 | morning Maemo ;) | 10:52 |
| bertogg | hey, is extras-devel working fine? | 10:55 |
| fw190 | yesterday it was working | 10:56 |
| fw190 | I have updated pasta programs just fine ;) | 10:56 |
| bertogg | I uploaded a new package but it doesn't appear there yet | 10:56 |
| fw190 | ahhhh | 10:56 |
| fw190 | maybe there is still a problem wt autobuilder | 10:56 |
| bertogg | ok, I'll just wait then | 10:57 |
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| Win7Mac | good morning! | 13:16 |
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| bertogg | hey, is the autobuilder down? | 13:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: morning | 13:41 |
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| Wizzup | bertogg: I think it generally takes a long time for packages to appear | 13:49 |
| bertogg | Wizzup: ok | 13:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | bertogg: simple: learn how autobuilder is supposed to work, become autobuilder maintainer, fix autobuilder, watch packages go to extras | 13:50 |
| bertogg | I'm not interested, I just wanted to know if it was a known problem or what | 13:52 |
| bertogg | thanks for the info | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, yes, to techstaff the problems with autobuilder and maemo.org at large are known | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this however doesn't mean we have somebody with sufficient expertise to fix those problems | 13:53 |
| bertogg | yes I understand | 13:53 |
| bertogg | I'm not blaming anyone ;) I just wanted to know what was going on | 13:54 |
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| vi__ | Is it possible to control the vibration motor voltage? | 14:09 |
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| vi__ | And therefore the motor frequency? | 14:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no, and yes | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not voltage but pulse width | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: echo 100 > /sys/class/leds/twl4030\:vibrator/brightness | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it's indeed a 'LED', don't ask me what those kernel devs smoked | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: or do you want to edit your mci vibrator profiles? then look into /etc/mci/mci.ini | 14:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you can do nifty think there. with ramp-up and ramp-down times and whatnot else | 14:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | even actively *break* the vibrator motor by shorting it, aiui | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not break like "defect" but like "stop it" | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bake? | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | brake even | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn, this heat makes my speech processor throttle | 14:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thus bake probably been right ;-P | 15:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: for twl4030\:vibrator/brightness you should avoid values <20 iirc. They might not kick off the vobra motor and thus cause huge powerdrain and heat | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I don't know what's maximum for that value (for indicator LED for example you easily can burnout the LED by setting current and brightness too high - similr situation might apply to vibra motor) | 15:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | logic max is 255 iirc | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | technical sweetspot seems around 130..160 | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (max effect) | 15:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | which reminds me that I managed to completely freeze the whole system with a cd /sys/class/leds/twl4030\:vibrator; while true; do echo 100 >brightness; echo 0 >brightness; done; | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *completely* | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not even the shell executing that loop accepted a ^C anymore | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but that's been a few years ago and probably even another platform | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe nevertheless worth a test nowadays | 15:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | GOD!!! that pr1.2+/hostmode-kernel device sucks donkeyballs at booting | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can't boot dat shite with poweplug, always enetrs act_dead mode | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after ages of black screen | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually an art to boot up that device when battery flat | 15:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | GRRR and bq27200 didn't calibrate despite my carefully checking VDQ:1 and stopping bme | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mv RSOC CSOC mA NAC CACD CACT TTF TTE TEMP EDV1 LOW | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 19:34 2905 0 0 -15 0 0 0 65535 0 30 1 | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 19:35 2895 0 0 -17 0 0 0 65535 0 30 1 | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 19:41 2865 0 0 -15 0 0 0 65535 0 31 1 | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Write failed: Broken pipe | 15:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | before: | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 19:17 3004 5 5 -16 89 89 89 65535 323 30 1 | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 19:18 2999 0 0 -15 0 0 0 65535 0 30 1 | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still, after boot: http://privatepaste.com/e09f97219b | 15:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | also wtf, no diff on stock fremantle? | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka 2in messybox"? | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | look, another crystal clear indication for | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~messybox | 15:42 |
| infobot | [messybox] messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 15:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | this is why I think it's not a brilliant idea to try teach messybox new tricks, rather bring a proper shell with proper comprehensive unix tools to fremantle, for those who want a decent interactive shell | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for those who are in fact not content with messybox since for example swapon missing parameters they would need during boot/systeminit, augmenting messybox to bb-p is probably the wrong idea either. You rather get a decent swapon binary and patch away messybox swapon applet via alternatives or whatever | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | busybox simply violates elementary unix design paradigms | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically busybox is like a ghettoblaster where you got cassette player, CD player, radio, battery, powersupply, speakers, antenna, headphone amp, everything in one box | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for a certain usecase that's fine, but you can't augment, replace, or fix any of the components easily, and you always have to carry the whole cruft with you instead of just taking the things with you that your actually need | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the unix toolbox concept however is 100% diametrically th eopposite of such design. You got zillions of small function blocks that can do just one thing but that one thing they are perfect in doing. And all those function blocks have same plugs for all inputs and outputs | 15:54 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05 ranting against busybox | 15:54 |
| kerio | shocking | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 15:54 |
| joga | swiss army knives aren't very good in whatever functionality they have..but at least all of it fits in the pocket | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm basically not ranting against busybox, I'm ranting against those who think busybox needs to get improved | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | joga: which been the *ONLY* rationale why busybox got used for maemo | 15:56 |
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| joga | guess so | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and for that particular purpose of executing init scripts busybox is... almost perfect | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but teaching busybox to become a proper interactive shell is like teaching a corgy to be a panther | 15:58 |
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| joga | heh | 15:59 |
| joga | surely there's stuff to improve without ending up implementing all of said utilities again | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hell, I know busybox from very first beta that got released, and i always wondered why the heck anybody would bother to build such thing. For embedded with scarce resources it makes sense, but then for such environment it doesn't make any sense at all to bloat busybox to a degree where it could compete with a true shell plus unix tools | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and nothing on maemo needs to get re-implemented. We got all commandline tools either as package already or we can build them from source by pressing a button, a nobrainer. | 16:02 |
| joga | yeah, I meant in general that it should be improved as the army knife it is | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no need for that either | 16:05 |
| joga | it's perfect already? | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody wants to use it as an interactive shell anyway | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so why improve it unless it has bugs | 16:05 |
| joga | sometimes using it has been the path of least resistance, so it could be less irritating | 16:06 |
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| rikanee | but Busybox's ash syntax sux. | 16:06 |
| rikanee | then again, most everything was in Upstart init syntax, which sux real hard. | 16:06 |
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| rikanee | so I guess the OSSO team was full of… masochists? | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | look, when you get an account on a arbitrary new system, say maybe your new distro you installed, and you find it has cshell for your default shell, what will you do? will you try to improve csh so you can finally live with it, or do you simply do a sudo chsh -s /bin/bash <myself> ? | 16:07 |
| joga | DocScrutinizer05, assuming bash is available, sure I'll just pick that :; | 16:09 |
| joga | :) | 16:09 |
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| joga | heh I know a guy who uses twm because "it's the standard window manager" :) | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: ^^^ see my above rant regarding busybox(-power) | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I still fail to see why we need bb-p in cssu | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if somebody is so in love with bb-p that (s)he prefers it over bash, then (s)he is free to install in to /usr/bin/ash2 or /usr/bin/busybox-power or whatever, and make it their default shell. | 16:20 |
| ecc3g | ugh...dont remind me. my employer uses csh and it's pretty much forced upon. chsh to bash breaks a lot of scripts and not worth the effort to fix, so I learned to cope with the frustrations of csh... | 16:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | is your employer ericsson or st-micro? ;-P | 16:22 |
| ecc3g | no but thanks for giving me reasons to avoid those companies =p | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or does your job have anything to do with android? | 16:23 |
| ecc3g | nope | 16:23 |
| ecc3g | android uses csh??!?! | 16:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (not all in android is csh based, but parts or certain forks seem to be) | 16:23 |
| jaska | hmm | 16:24 |
| ecc3g | Hmm... think I should go buy a cheap android phone to play with... | 16:24 |
| jaska | they should make busybox include csh! | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | e.g part of the fork used in st-e | 16:24 |
| ecc3g | oh god... | 16:24 |
| jaska | (sorry, trolling) | 16:24 |
| ecc3g | heh :) | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 16:24 |
| Win7Mac | BoD-meeting info: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1353462#post1353462 | 16:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | re that pr1.2++/hostmode-kernel system I mentioned above: it really gives me a laugh each time I boot it and it comes up with a chime and a notifier "384 new mails", sth that it never does during the rest of uptime. Seems modest never again gets started, but one time during hildon-startup it does check for new mail | 16:27 |
| Win7Mac | GeneralAntilles: leveraged? | 16:35 |
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| tzafrir | so, any idea what I should do with my n900 that most of the times won't ring? | 16:57 |
| tzafrir | When it does ring, it uses the default ring tone and not the ring tone I set it to use | 16:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe reflash? | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tbh you rproblems sound like sth wrong with your $HOME | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | have you updated to cssu-t8 ? | 17:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what does your mount show for eMMC? aka mmcblk0p2 | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow, wtf goes on on repo? | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, somebody mirroring or spidering *.maemo.org it seems | 17:21 |
| Win7Mac | BTW, is the new switch already in place? | 17:25 |
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| tzafrir | DocScrutinizer05, /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /home type ext3 (noatime,nodiratime,errors=continue,commit=1,data=writeback) | 17:38 |
| tzafrir | I'm on the testing community repo | 17:39 |
| tzafrir | tried upgrading with apt-get . libstdc++ and libgcc1 were not up-to-date and apt-get was having problems with updating them | 17:46 |
| tzafrir | Installed aptitude. aptitude upgrade worked | 17:46 |
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| tzafrir | I'm trying to change something in the Phone settings in the Settings. I press Save, but when I go back, the old value is used. | 17:52 |
| tzafrir | Where are the settings saved? | 17:52 |
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| tzafrir | maybe that *and* a reboot fixed it. | 18:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what, you updated libstdc++ and libgcc? | 18:06 |
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| vi__ | The reason I asked about the motor was some stupid idea I was thinking about using it as a speaker. | 18:08 |
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| Woody14619 | Off to lunch... o/ | 18:25 |
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| Lava_Croft | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90517 | 19:24 |
| Raimu | Why is there a character limit in modest? | 19:27 |
| Raimu | Some of the monthly e-mail aggregates I receive trigger a "character limit reached" warning on modest. | 19:28 |
| Raimu | I'm checking some of the documentation on the app and this limit isn't mentioned as far as I can find. | 19:29 |
| sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: Did you see <<<<(20/06/13 00:15:35) sixwheeledbeast: <<(18:46:13) DocScrutinizer05: if you can't reproduce this, then I'd be highly interested to hear about it>> http://privatepaste.com/dd88063566>>>> | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err yes | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which system, which kernel? | 19:38 |
| sixwheeledbeast | what do you think, I have done this on two of my devices. Both CSSU-S and KP52 | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cssu-t and stock kernel here | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe somebody "fixed" that in PK? | 19:39 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Does the KP fix this? Should I ping Pali? | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after all it's a long known annoyance | 19:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | even heritage from diablo | 19:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | check changelog for "persistent devicenames" or sth similar | 19:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | kernel powers changelog is located where, in source? | 19:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hmm.. source is missing in package interface | 19:44 |
| Raimu | Hmh, found it in sources but still didn't pick up what limitation it is | 19:44 |
| Raimu | (Sorry, talking about this modest thing) | 19:45 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | will look later going afk | 19:48 |
| Win7Mac | Anybody knows something about tweaking flash version on N9?: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1353510 | 19:55 |
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| Raimu | Maybe people on #meego might know? | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or on #harmattan | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~weather EDDN | 20:17 |
| infobot | Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2013.06.20 1650 UTC; Dew Point: 66 F (19 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.83 in. Hg (1010 hPa); Relative Humidity: 58%; Temperature: 82 F (28 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the W (280 degrees) at 13 MPH (11 KT) | 20:17 |
| Win7Mac | no activity on #meego + #harmattan | 20:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | in #meego there've been ~10 lines on 13. and 15., and one line on 16. | 20:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | #armattan has some lines every day at least | 20:33 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 20:39 |
| Lava_Croft | sounds like my n900 n9 usage | 20:39 |
| Lava_Croft | even tho the n9 has the sim | 20:39 |
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| Win7Mac | posted in both channels - no response. I hope for TMO... | 20:51 |
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| Win7Mac | can't this be done on N9?: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1276589#post1276589 | 21:06 |
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| _rd | Is anybody using navit from "deb http://download.navit-project.org/navit/n800/svn/ chinook user" ? | 23:23 |
| _rd | I get | 23:23 |
| _rd | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/navit_svn-5539_armel.deb (--unpack): | 23:23 |
| _rd | corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive | 23:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | chinook? hardly | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why not diablo? | 23:29 |
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| Win7Mac | further ideas to tweak flash version? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1353544#post1353544 | 23:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: a extra huge thankyou for taking care about all that mess | 23:56 |
| Win7Mac | +1 | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and indeed it's extremely sad that we are no step further than where we been 9 months ago, with that HiFo baby | 23:57 |
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