IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2013-06-18

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xesrtcom-messaging-ui scoll:   It seems that my device suffers the same disease... Anyone discovered what is causing this behavior?00:05
freemangordonxes: did you install some modifications to .css or .js files?00:06
freemangordondid you make some changes?00:06
freemangordon(like portrait support or whatever?00:06
xesthe only mod is portrait support00:07
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xes.. already tried to remove that but the behavior remains unchanged00:08
freemangordonxes: latest CSSU brings its own portrait support, I guess there is a conflict between those two00:08
freemangordontry to apt-get install --reinstall rtcom-messaging-ui00:08
xesalready done, but le me try one more time00:09
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freemangordonxes: check for some dpkg magic (.dist-new or whatever)00:09
freemangordonxes: make sure you have the stock files installed00:09
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xesyep. the strange part is that i was expecting to still have the mouse cursor enable/disable with the swipe from left.. but nothing00:11
freemangordonxes: wait, what?00:11
freemangordonin messaging ui?!?00:12
xesam i wrong? to select text...00:12
freemangordonxes: NFC, I've never know that's possible00:13
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freemangordonxes: find the source of your modifications and check what gets modified, that way you'll have a clue what to restore00:17
freemangordonxes: sorry, can't help further now00:17
xessorry for the lonk link, direct reference to image seems vanished00:19
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HtheBanyone alive here?00:28
ecc3gnope, all zombies here.00:28
HtheBgreat! just what I was looking for!00:28
HtheBi need some help with compiling something for maemo/harmattan00:29
HtheBi dont know if something is wrong with my setup or the sources00:29
HtheBi want to compile sowatch00:29
HtheBIt's really strange. It says libsowatch is missing. But this file is created by itself00:30
HtheBi dont know if anybody else can compile it for me though00:30
xesfreemangordon: tried again the rtcomm-ui-messaging reinstall. Nothing. Removed the css and js files restoring manually the original but still nothing. I don't think it's related to these files.. :(00:32
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BCMMi've re-flashed my n900 following filesystem corruption and it doesn't seem to be booting at all01:07
BCMMjust the five-dots progress animation forever01:08
BCMMwhat should i do?01:08
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DocScrutinizer05full reflash01:11
DocScrutinizer05T8 the mega disaster01:14
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BCMMDocScrutinizer05: what on earth happened?01:16
BCMMDocScrutinizer05: by full reflash, do you mean MyDocs too?01:17
BCMMDocScrutinizer05: if so, i have a bit of a problem01:20
BCMMi didn't backup MyDocs before reflashing because i didn't think i'd be reflashing MyDocs01:20
BCMMis there any way i can get MyDocs mounted over USB from this state?01:20
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DocScrutinizer05BCMM: rescueOS01:56
DocScrutinizer05or BM01:57
BCMMDocScrutinizer05: i don't know what either of those are - can i use them now, or are those things i should have set up before it got broken?01:57
DocScrutinizer05BCMM: what happened? it seems a patch to initscripts caused fsck to destroy /home during boot01:58
infobotit has been said that backupmenu is
DocScrutinizer05you need to install01:58
infobotwell, rescue-os is
DocScrutinizer05you can use any time, given you have a working USB01:58
BCMMDocScrutinizer05: ah, rescueOS is basically a minimal initramfs for rescue purposes, that i can load with the flasher?02:00
DocScrutinizer05kudos to nin10102:01
BCMMDocScrutinizer05: thanks! when you said "full reflash", do you mean that i need to clear MyDocs too?02:01
DocScrutinizer05basically only /home, but there's no VANILLA that would leave MyDocs untouched02:01
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BCMMDocScrutinizer05: ok. i'll use rescueOS to save stuff my stuff from MyDocs, then do a full reflash with a VANILLA image02:02
BCMMDocScrutinizer05: is CSSU fixed yet or should i avoid installing that for a bit?02:03
DocScrutinizer05sorry for the inconvenience02:03
DocScrutinizer05*allegedly* T8.2 is fixed02:03
DocScrutinizer05but I can't say _anything_ for sure02:03
BCMMi think i might install stable. i guess i'm only not on stable because it didn't exist when i installed CSSU02:03
BCMMDocScrutinizer05: thanks for the assistnace02:04
BCMMDocScrutinizer05: btw is it possible to "downgrade" CSSU to CSSU stable? my GFs phone is on CSSU but hasn't blown up yet02:06
DocScrutinizer05no, basically not02:06
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ds3anyone remember off hand how much does the battery needs to drain to get a reset/recal so bnf can produce useable info?02:07
DocScrutinizer05even id cssu-t maybe offers an "uninstall" feature, I strongly suggest to not use it. It's been reported to completely mess up your system to the point where only full reflash will help02:07
BCMMDocScrutinizer05: whats the sanest way to downgrade? use the backup utility to save a list of installed programs and whatnot?02:09
DocScrutinizer05BCMM: anyway for downgrading to cssu-s you probably don't need to reflash VANILLA, so the process should be painless. Just do a proper BM backup *and* a osso-backup (standard app for backup), flash rootfs aka COMBINED, then install cssu-s and restore form osso-backup all your apps02:09
DocScrutinizer05exactly :-)02:09
DocScrutinizer05*should* work painlessly for all I can tell02:10
BCMMDocScrutinizer05: i didn't understand all of that, but i think when i read these logs in the morning, i will :)02:10
BCMMjust wanted to know the phone's not totally screwed before i go to bed :)02:11
DocScrutinizer05the phone is basically fine, just your /home partition is messed up (corripted fs)02:12
BCMMyeah, i mean the contents (that i should have backed up)02:12
DocScrutinizer05though I can't give any guaranty, I'd bet that MyDocs is OK02:13
BCMMDocScrutinizer05: i really can't see why it wouldn't be02:13
DocScrutinizer05it's just mounted to /home and thus you have problems to access it now02:13
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: it's just mounted in /home and thus you have problems to access it now02:13
BCMMoh, i see02:14
DocScrutinizer05and since /opt is also a link to /home/opt, your system acts "funny2 now02:14
BCMMhome is pretty much totally nuked after i tried to fsck it. does the nokia backup program do arbitrary dotfiles or just stuff on some list somewhere?02:15
DocScrutinizer05the nokia osso-backup only does "a list"02:16
HtheBdoc, can you compile for harmattan at the moment?02:18
DocScrutinizer05programs can add themselves resp their data files to that "list"02:18
DocScrutinizer05HtheB: no02:18
DocScrutinizer05I never could02:19
HtheBi cant find anybody that can compile something for me02:21
HtheBguys at #harmattan are dead i guess02:21
DocScrutinizer05ask GeneralAntilles, iirc he been evry active with sowatch02:23
GeneralAntillesNope, not useful for compiling things.02:23
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Bambi_BOFHDocScrutinizer05: thanks, will check it out02:33
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* DocScrutinizer05 is idly watching a sftp:// c&p from n900:MyDocs to PC (in konqueror)08:40
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* DocScrutinizer05 also noticed that BM obviously NOT does updates of /home/user08:41
DocScrutinizer05obviously copying 16403 files / 15GB from MyDocs to PC via sftp and wlan takes ~3:3008:43
DocScrutinizer05maybe I should augment my rsync cronjob to include MyDocs08:45
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divVerentanyway, to everyone: I figured out the openmediaplayer issue09:50
freemangordondivVerent: hmm?09:50
divVerent1. it is not fault of omap stuff... it happens for ffmpeg decoded stuff too09:50
divVerentu/v plane swap09:50
divVerenti.e. red blue swap09:50
divVerentand it only happens in openmediaplayer's zoomed in view09:51
divVerentso basically, the mafw-gst-renderer video overlay can break in this way when zooming in09:52
divVerentit probably was always like that, I normally did not use the zoomed in view09:52
divVerentI did once, and the bug happens for some but nolt all videos then09:53
divVerentis there interest in an affected video?09:53
divVerentPROBABLY the only thing that triggers the bug is the resolution of the video09:53
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n900-dk_Anyone experienced spontanous reboot when you disable wifi?09:54
divVerentnever... and I did that a lot09:55
divVerentdoes it hang before the reboot for 1 min?09:55
divVerentand did you try "the other kernel"?09:56
divVerenti.e. kernel-power if you used the default one and vice versa09:56
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divVerentbut that bug was annoying... I almost would have reflashed10:02
n900-dk_it reboots imidiately, when I press the wifi icon10:03
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divVerenteven with other kernel?10:03
n900-dk_I'm not sure, what you mean by other kernel.. I'm on power5210:05
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divVerentthen try the nokia kernel10:05
divVerentjust once, to rule out it is the issue10:06
divVerentor are you on CSSU-thumb? then you do not have this choice any more I think10:06
n900-dk_Dont want to reflash just because of this issue.10:06
divVerentno need to reflash for that10:06
divVerenton which CSSU level are you?10:06
n900-dk_Running CSSU-Testing10:06
divVerentin your applications list there is an icon called "Nokia Kernel"10:06
divVerentrun that10:06
divVerentthen reboot (it probably does that for you)10:07
divVerentthen it changes the kernel to the default one and reboots10:07
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n900-dk_but this issue doesn't show up every time, I disable wifi10:07
divVerentif that fixes it, you know it is a kernel-power bug10:07
divVerentthen try running with nokia kernel for a few days10:07
divVerentBTW, when you do that10:07
divVerentthe icon will change to Power Kernel10:07
divVerentwhich will allow you to go back10:07
divVerentalso, did you do any settings for kernel-power?10:08
divVerentlike overclocking?10:08
divVerentif yes, try undoing that first10:08
n900-dk_Ok, I will10:08
divVerenteven this smartreflex thing may be worth trying to turn off10:09
divVerentspeaking of which, I have not turned it ON since last reflash yet :P10:09
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divVerentn900-dk_: if you do not know what it is, you did not touch it10:10
divVerentso that is good10:10
divVerentit is a checkbox in e.g. QCpuFreq or the kernel-power settings file10:10
divVerentwhich should save some battery10:10
divVerentby more intelligently selecting the CPU core voltages10:10
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divVerentI just know that when enabling it I get a warning that it makes some N900s randomlyh crash10:12
divVerentit works for mine though10:12
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DocScrutinizer05divVerent: or not10:45
divVerentDocScrutinizer05: which part? the battery saving? indeed never measured10:47
divVerentbut I do like using lower voltages, and if that only means better life time of the CPU (and THAT one is obvious)10:47
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DocScrutinizer05so far nobody has done tests with SR afaik11:44
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: wrong, vi did it11:44
DocScrutinizer05*decent* tests particularly11:44
DocScrutinizer05ooh, and where are the docs describing the test setup and the results?11:45
DocScrutinizer05I'd be *really* extremely interested in them11:45
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: sorry, it was caveman, not vi11:47
DocScrutinizer05should be rather easy to run a nice A/B compare test, switching off WLAN and GSM, then running 5 >with-SR.log, and another without-SR.log11:47
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: see that thread11:47
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DocScrutinizer05wtf, profiles11:54
DocScrutinizer05that tells zilch, in the end11:54
DocScrutinizer05since I have no clue what those profiles actually do, I'd bet they do more than just enabling SR while keeping same core voltage as without SR11:55
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: dsp profile has SR enabled, min-max 250-80511:55
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: it is not like that, she couldn't be half pregnant :)11:56
freemangordonSR is eigher enabled or not. once enabled it controls the voltages for all OPPS11:57
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DocScrutinizer05you don't need to run bogus undervolt profile youst to enable SR11:57
DocScrutinizer05yes, so what?11:57
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DocScrutinizer05that's the idea of SR (this small part of SR) that the core voltage gets controlled by hardware via dedicated I2C rather than by software via general purpose I2C11:58
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: sure. what is your point?11:59
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: the difference is that with SR enabled it:11:59
DocScrutinizer05that doesn't stop you from setting SR profile to use same voltage on max closckspeed that the system would use when SR was disabled12:00
freemangordon1. uses calibration values to calculate the "correct" voltages for that particular device12:00
freemangordon2. voltage "oscilates" around that pont12:00
DocScrutinizer05since otherwise you would test undervolting more than SR12:00
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DocScrutinizer05anyway that article with those friggin profiles even seems to introduce OC12:01
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: SR doesn't work like that, you just give him calibrations and initial voltage for a particular OPP12:02
DocScrutinizer05and, on a sidenote, I think mp3 is not a generally valid test for all usecases12:03
DocScrutinizer05particularly via mplayer12:03
DocScrutinizer05doesn't work like what?12:03
freemangordonno matter what the initial voltage is (assumming it is not too low, so the MPU would block before SR has chance to increase it). you end up in similar voltages for an OPP every time12:03
DocScrutinizer05my logic doesn't work like that12:04
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: no idea about your logic, but this is how SR works12:04
DocScrutinizer05when you suggest SR works like an unparsable statement then I have to disagree12:05
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: no point to argue, I know what I am talking about, I spent more than half an year reading docs etc12:05
freemangordonand playing with the driver in the meanwhile12:06
DocScrutinizer05so what? you're not even able to post a parsable statement here then?12:06
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: imagine PID regulator12:06
freemangordonwhich exactly part you cannot parse? I can elaborate or rephrase12:07
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DocScrutinizer05I *know*: there's a dedicated I2C labeled "SR" from CPU to Power management chip. The CPU adjusts the LDO for core voltage (and others?) via that dedicated SR-I2C automatically, when SR is enabled. There's also a "general purpose" I2C to PM chip that is used to configure same LDOs under software control, when SR is disabled (e.g. during bootup)12:10
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: wrong, it is not CPU that adjust voltages, there is dedicated HW to do that12:10
DocScrutinizer05I *think* the voltage steps for SR are in a table in RAM, and CPU clock generator decides which entry from that table to use , based on CPU clock speed12:11
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DocScrutinizer05CPU aka SoC is adjusting the woltage12:11
rikaneefreemangordon: IIRC there are different generations of SR12:11
DocScrutinizer05actually the PRM in SOC12:11
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DocScrutinizer05look at schematics to find the I2C labeled "SmartRefelx"12:12
rikaneethere's one that has SR under full software control, then a newer one with the AP telling the power reg that it's going into LP mode, and Reg deciding in voltage, and the newest one has SR fully automatic within the SoC, as long as you toggle the sysfs entry.12:13
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divVerentway more interesting than benchmarking SR battery use, would be finding out which components ACTUALLY use the battery how much12:15
divVerentlike, is the CPU even a relevant contribution12:15
divVerentor is it usually the screen12:15
DocScrutinizer05GAIA N4200, pins I2C.SR.SDA I2C.SR.SCL12:15
rikaneedivVerent: powertop running while locked vs powertop running while "make -j128" ;)12:16
DocScrutinizer05of course the screen, divVerent12:16
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divVerentDocScrutinizer05: basically, I wonder under which workload CPU use matters12:17
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divVerentsure, playing mp3s with mplayer with screen turned off and offline mode, but who does that12:17
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: exactly, it is SoC, not CPU12:17
DocScrutinizer05and the general purpose for software control of LDOs are directly above I2C.CTL.SDA I2C.CTL.SCL12:17
rikaneedivVerent: power = heat, and when your palms start to sweat running Debian on N900, then you may be burning power.12:17
divVerentrikanee: yes12:17
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divVerentbut CPU heat and display backlight heat are still the same heat12:17
freemangordonrikanee: and what is used in n900 is pure WH control12:17
divVerentI doubt the backlight has a good efficiency12:18
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: ok, if you wanna play smartass then take this: YES it IS a cpu: the Power and Reset Management CPU12:18
rikaneefreemangordon: ah, thanks for clarifying that12:18
SpeedEvilThe backlight generally iumplies other stuff.12:19
divVerentfmtx just 19mA? wow12:19
rikaneedivVerent: the LCD and backlight are naturally, large power burners.12:19
SpeedEvilNamely that the LCD panel is active, and the OMAP GPU unit is fething data from RAM, and painting it to screen constantly.12:19
DocScrutinizer05divVerent: THAT MUCH, for a friggin 5nW?12:20
SpeedEvilThe actual LEDs that illuminate the screen - unless on maximum brightness - may not be a large component12:20
freemangordonrikanee: on OPP switch - SR is disabled, new initial voltage is loaded in twl, calibration values are loaded in the appropriate regs, SR is enabled. that's all12:20
divVerentDocScrutinizer05: 5nW? really that low?12:21
DocScrutinizer05maybe uW12:21
SpeedEvilIt's nW12:21
DocScrutinizer05but really low12:21
SpeedEvilAnd I think it's 30/50 or so12:21
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: last time I checked CPU stands for Central Processing Unit12:21
divVerentwait, the fmtx is that low... so using higher tx power is sure legal then :P12:21
freemangordonin my book power management processor is not CPU12:21
SpeedEvildivVerent: No12:21
freemangordon(in n900 that is)12:22
divVerentthe legal limit is something in mW12:22
SpeedEvildivVerent: nW12:22
DocScrutinizer05uhuh, in freemangordon's book a asymmetrical multiprocessing environment has only one CPU12:22
SpeedEvildivVerent: Read above12:22
SpeedEvilThere are around a dozen CPUs in the n900.12:22
DocScrutinizer05that's what I'd bet on12:23
rikaneeanyone able to tap into the on-board FM antenna and hook it up to a RF amplifier?12:23
DocScrutinizer05half of them in SoC12:23
SpeedEvilTaking as CPU - a turing complete machine able to run stored programs.12:23
SpeedEvilIncluding the LED controller.12:23
DocScrutinizer05there's even a security CPU in SoC12:23
divVerentI see12:25
DocScrutinizer05well, when freemangordon tries to educate me about it's not (the ALU or stackpointer register of) the main CPU that controls SR, then ...12:25
HtheBhi all12:25
rikaneeohai HtheB.12:27
DocScrutinizer05rikanee: sorry?12:27
DocScrutinizer05"tap into"?12:27
rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: it seems that it's difficult to expose the copper and attach an antenna to the N900's on-board FM antenna.12:28
rikaneeHtheB: got off uni early because of flood warnings, but I'm now stuck with reading up journals for a paper D:12:28
divVerentanyway... display is probably still a huge waste :P typically only 10% of the energe become light12:28
DocScrutinizer05err, last time I read about it (2 days ago) I seen a copper stripe aerial in case that's touching a contatc pad on PCB with a spring12:28
DocScrutinizer05hmm, with LED this might be a tad better, until most of the light gets absorbed by shut LCD cells12:30
DocScrutinizer05and color filters12:30
HtheBflood warning?!12:30
HtheBflood as in: tsunami?12:30
rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: mmm. time to retrace the aerial array on the N900 when I have time. the FM antenna sucks, big time.12:30
DocScrutinizer05the TX power sucks12:30
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer05: polarisers - another half12:30
rikaneeRX is pretty bad too.12:31
DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: indeed12:31
DocScrutinizer05RX is via headphone cable12:31
rikaneeHtheB: tropical storm, gets up to 3-4 feet at the uni.12:31
SpeedEvilThe ideal best case is 1/6th of the light gets out.12:31
DocScrutinizer05rikanee: where are youß12:31
rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: Philippines.12:31
SpeedEvilREad the links in the FMTX page - there are unfortunately good reasons to only allow truly tiny powers.12:32
DocScrutinizer05I seen a minor storm in Taipei12:32
DocScrutinizer05no real fun12:32
rikaneeSpeedEvil: regulatory agencies aren't fun :(12:32
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DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: I still doubt that's any sensible rationale12:33
HtheBrikanee, so is it false alarm?12:34
HtheBi mean, did the storm happen?12:34
rikaneeHtheB: it's raining hard atm, in 30 minutes I wouldn't leave the flat ;)12:34
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer05: It is actually. The amount of power needed to disrupt a FM receiver listening to a good signal at the edge of its coverage is quite tiny.12:34
HtheBrikanee, hmmm :(12:35
HtheBhey rikanee, a bit offtopic though. can you compile harmattan apps?12:35
DocScrutinizer05SpeedEvil: yes, but still the power of a TX goes down exponentially with distance12:35
rikaneeHtheB: unfortunately, even since the Nokia wiki went down, I'm left with a broken Harmattan SDK.12:36
DocScrutinizer05rather **312:36
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer05: Sure - so does the other transmitter.12:36
SpeedEvilerr - 212:36
rikaneeI'll get around to fixing it this weekend, and snapshotting the build VM for future reference.12:36
SpeedEvilUnless it's a near-field magnetic transmitter.12:36
DocScrutinizer05the other transmitter is km away12:36
HtheBrikanee, there is a mirror...12:36
DocScrutinizer05that's why those transmitters use hundreds of watts output12:36
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer05: yes - and if you are talking about a reciever at the edge of its reception zone, you can actually disrupt that with nanowatts of signal.12:37
SpeedEvilThe OFGEN presentation on this is good, and to the point.12:37
DocScrutinizer05sure, when the nW transmitter is as close as a few meters12:37
DocScrutinizer05franksly, every hairdryer motor emits a few nW real noise on that particular frequency12:38
DocScrutinizer05to me that regulation is biased12:39
divVerentsure it is12:40
divVerentthe distance of the fmtx is barely sufficient for car use12:40
divVerentdoes not even always work properly there12:41
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divVerentworks better in Switzerland than in Germany though12:41
DocScrutinizer05the intention of that regulation been to render those transmitters basically useless12:41
divVerentless clogged frequencies12:41
divVerentrephrase: to make those transmitters unable to disturb radio receivers of others12:42
divVerentthis basically sets a 4m distance limit already12:42
divVerentso you cannot force your neighbor's radio to rickroll them12:42
divVerentbasically, IMHO this was solved the wrong way12:42
DocScrutinizer05:nod: even the radio of the car next to yours, at the traffic light12:42
divVerentthe real solution would have been reserving a frequency band for those transmitters12:42
divVerentand maybe 10x the power (for 3x the distance)12:43
DocScrutinizer05sure, should've used collision detect12:43
SpeedEvilThe intention is so that it doesn't screw up people listening to distant stations.12:43
divVerentnot even needed there12:43
divVerentjust reserve a few frequencies FM stations no longer use12:43
divVerentjust, exactly this was not possible in e.g. Germany12:43
divVerentbecause ALL the frequencies are used12:43
rikaneeI can imagine the chaos a guy with a high-power RF frontend and a USRP can do.12:43
divVerentjust look at the FM frequency table for e.g. frankfurt12:43
divVerentthe largest distance between two adjacent stations is 0.2 MHz12:44
DocScrutinizer05meh, back when we did pirate radio, we had severe problems to cover a 3km radius with a 15W FM transmitter12:44
divVerentstill, using the FM radio band for such purposes is plain abuse, we all agree on that12:44
divVerentif only car radios had Line-In12:44
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DocScrutinizer05some do12:45
divVerentvery few, yes12:45
DocScrutinizer05checkout motorola usb carkit12:45
rikaneedivVerent: in-car BT, line-in or USB are essentials for head units nowadays.12:45
DocScrutinizer05and cry12:45
divVerentrikanee: in the long run, this could indeed solve it12:46
divVerentjust most people do not have brand new cars12:46
divVerentmine is from 2007, has CD and MP3, no line in, no USB12:46
divVerentalso... many car radios don'12:46
divVerentt even have real USB but just "ipod dock"12:46
rikaneedivVerent: I'm currently saving up $250 to buy a nice, factory-looking replacement head unit.12:46
DocScrutinizer05actually line-in on car radio has its very own idiosyncrasies (topic ground loop)12:47
* chainsawbike thinks all you need is an amp connected to the headphone jack...12:47
divVerentDocScrutinizer05: ground loop? the thing that shouldn't even happen if it were built right?12:47
rikaneeslight annoyance from Toyota integrating the head unit panel with the rest of the console.12:47
divVerentas in, a single capacitor at the right point would already fix it?12:47
divVerent(apart from a pop noise when plugging in)12:48
divVerenthow stable is the 12V voltage in the car'12:48
DocScrutinizer05divVerent: alas not since car ground"-plane" has lots of noise12:48
divVerents connector BTW?12:48
divVerent"very unstable" or "white noise"?12:48
DocScrutinizer05very instable12:48
DocScrutinizer05with extreme spikes12:48
divVerentspikes, even? ugh12:49
DocScrutinizer05yeah, it fried several GTA02 via cheap USB car chargers12:49
DocScrutinizer05particularly  when starting engine12:49
divVerentas for audio transmission though... is it so hard to use the voltage DIFFERENCE between the 3.5mm GND and L/R pins?12:49
DocScrutinizer05usually not12:50
divVerent(ok, this would mean not grounding the GND... which should be allowed, though, or a battery based walkman would already violate it)12:50
DocScrutinizer05but to make absolutely sure your mobile device doesn't smoke up, you need galvanically decoubled GND12:50
divVerentyes, i.e. not grounding it12:50
divVerentlike e.g. the tape deck adaptors do12:51
divVerenttoo bad there are no "CD deck adaptors" :P12:51
DocScrutinizer05alas many 'cheap' line-in devices don't do this12:51
divVerentwonder how these even COULD work, if at all12:51
divVerentprobably not at all12:51
DocScrutinizer05good joke12:51
divVerentas making an infite looped CD is simply not possible12:51
DocScrutinizer05lemme think12:51
divVerentgiven the head moves during playback12:51
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DocScrutinizer05maybe a IR-LED would already suffice?12:52
divVerentthe tape adaptors avoid it by not having a tape to be turned :P12:52
divVerentIR-LED with proper circuitry would work... for 74 minutes :P12:52
divVerentit also would need to move together with the reading head of the drive12:52
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divVerentand I see no way to avoid the "CD size" limit, no matter how clever the CD emulating circuit is12:53
DocScrutinizer05well, the head is moved by guiding gap12:53
DocScrutinizer05so you could keep it stationary12:53
divVerentwait, a sufficiently broken CD-ROM can make the CD drive not move its head?12:53
divVerentI know this works for Vinyl disks, but for CD?12:53
DocScrutinizer05commonly known as "your CD hangs"12:54
divVerentfor vinyl, all you need is a ring instead of a spiral12:54
divVerentoh right, CDs are recorded as spirals too...12:54
divVerentso chances are the drive would indeed never notice12:54
DocScrutinizer05for CD all you need is a scratch and a poorly adjusted CD-player12:54
divVerentso emulating an infinite CD may even be possible12:55
divVerentwell, almost... there is this addressing info on the CD sectors12:55
divVerentby which the drive knows where it is12:55
divVerentthis has to be incremented at each sector... wonder how high that limit is12:55
DocScrutinizer05but the drive readout logic resyncs when the head forcefully is relocated to the start of CD12:55
divVerentalso, what would happen when trying to seek :P12:56
DocScrutinizer05trying to seek gets nasty12:56
divVerentthese tape deck adaptors kinda can take that12:56
DocScrutinizer05it would detect end of CD and stop playback12:56
divVerentexcept that the seeking will never stop :P12:56
DocScrutinizer05you could copy a normal audio CD to a mini-CD and then try to seek to last take on the original CD12:57
DocScrutinizer05you'll see what your drive does12:58
DocScrutinizer05the better / smarter drives (nowadays all) extrapolate physical destination location of head from cueuesheet12:59
DocScrutinizer05so the drive will locate the head to an area where there is no more physical CD when you playback that mini-CD and try to seek to end13:00
DocScrutinizer05then drive readout logic detects there's no optical input anymore and will abort, after some retries13:00
DocScrutinizer05particularly focus retries13:01
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DocScrutinizer05some smarter drives will step back a few millimeters and try again13:01
DocScrutinizer05eventually every drive stops playback, or resumes at a point on CD closed to the beginning resp inner tracks13:02
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DocScrutinizer05btw all this and particularly the cue-sheet make it possible that you have a track -1 on CD. you can seek to this track when seeking backward immediately after starting playback13:03
jon_ysecret track!?13:04
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DocScrutinizer05I think some commercial music CDs already did that gimmik13:05
jon_yis that like some DRM scheme?13:05
DocScrutinizer05err, no?13:05
DocScrutinizer05it's more like the really funny vinyl records that had two grooves instead of one, on one side13:06
divVerentnice trick13:06
DocScrutinizer05depending on "random" you get to hear one or the other13:06
rikaneesome bands hide sekrit tracks, IIRC.13:06
rikaneeothers abuse multi-session support to hide them, last I remember.13:07
DocScrutinizer05I think you also can have tracks after cue-sheet end of record13:07
DocScrutinizer05you might have noticed some tracks on some CDs start with minus-seconds counting up to zero13:08
DocScrutinizer05when you do this on first track, then there's a part of audio track you usually never get to hear13:08
divVerentright, basically the first track's "lead-in"13:09
DocScrutinizer05you however can seek back from "start" into this "hidden" negative time track13:09
divVerentbut... a track -1? that "track backwards" hits when at 1? that would be weird13:09
divVerenttime-seeking can reach this area often, though13:09
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divVerenti.e. holding the seek button13:09
DocScrutinizer05yes, that's what I said13:09
DocScrutinizer05it's the lead in of track one13:10
divVerentoh, I thought you meant one can reach this by pressing the seek backwards button... but that would mean the player would count to 0 from 1 :P13:10
divVerentand yes, indeed some players seem to play the lead-in of track 1, and some do not13:10
DocScrutinizer05and you only can access it by seeking linear backward from start of record13:10
divVerent1. sell CDs with secret track hidden on lead-in13:11
divVerent2. wait for it to appear on pirate sites13:11
divVerent3. let them download13:11
divVerent4. tell everyone about secret track13:11
DocScrutinizer05check cue-sheet syntax of cdrdao/cdrecord/xcdroast/whatever13:11
divVerentI know cdrdao can do this :P I did this abuse before, but not on track 1 :P13:11
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divVerentI saw also some CDs do this between track n-1 and track n13:12
divVerentlabel has13:12
divVerent"track n: bonus track", but the real fun is the area between n-1 and n13:12
DocScrutinizer05awesome huge lead-in?13:12
DocScrutinizer05of bonus track N?13:13
divVerentbasically, a variant of the typical "bonus track after long pause"13:13
divVerentputting it in lead-in hides it from the pirate sites, mostly :P13:14
DocScrutinizer05I hate all the mp3 shit for not properly supporting any of that, particularly MAFW which can't do gapfree13:14
DocScrutinizer05I honestly would prefer raw disc image files, incl cue-sheet, and a player that pretends to playback CD13:15
DocScrutinizer05maybe flac13:15
DocScrutinizer05with cuesheet13:16
divVerenton certain sites, ape+cue is common13:16
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DocScrutinizer05i'd like to learn about those sites, then :-)13:18
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ShadowJKI've seen flac+cue too13:19
DocScrutinizer05basically since that fire ate my Sony 250 (or was it 400?) CD changer player, I stopped listening music13:20
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DocScrutinizer05divVerent: the problem with "CD adapter" is the mechanics13:24
DocScrutinizer05you maybe could even create a acryl lightchannel ring thingie in that adapter that would giude the LED's light to the head no matter which orientation the CD is inserted and where the head actually is positioned. but the rotation that the drive allpies to your "CD" will give you severe headache ;-P13:27
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: you maybe could even create a acryl lightchannel ring thingie in that adapter that would giude the LED's light to the head no matter which orientation the CD is inserted and where the head actually is positioned. but the rotation that the drive applies to...13:27
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders what the spindle motor control would do when the clock of the read-in signal is too high no matter how much the spindle motor gets throttled13:30
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jon_yDocScrutinizer05: by DRM scheme I mean whatever autorun exe for windows on the 1st data track will try to go to -1 and scan13:53
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jon_yDocScrutinizer05: so if the track was missing, it would screw up your drive hardware or something13:57
jon_yeg try to flash your drive with /dev/random13:58
DocScrutinizer05data track?13:58
jon_ywell, whatever track that windows picks up the autorun stuff from13:58
jon_ythink sony rootkit, but abrasive upfront :)13:59
DocScrutinizer05you ever seen windows load any autorun from an audio CD (redbook?)?13:59
jon_yif it has a data track, yes13:59
jon_ymaybe they were called mixed mode13:59
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jon_ymost CD players would ignore the data track anyway14:00
DocScrutinizer05or so hoped Sony, eh?14:00
jon_ywindows would still look for autorun on the data (non-audio) track14:00
jon_yI don't know if CD players can go to -1 track14:01
DocScrutinizer05there are no tracks as you use the term14:01
jon_yNero calls then data tracks, as opposed to audio tracks14:02
jon_ynot sure what the correct term is14:02
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jon_ywhat are non-audio tracks technically called anyway?14:03
DocScrutinizer05what are non-audio tracks?14:03
jon_ytracks that contain computer files?14:04
DocScrutinizer05on a audio-CD a track is a segment out of the continuous data stream that has basically PCM data, defined by start and end timestamp (simplified picture)14:05
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DocScrutinizer05so there's no way to have non-audio tracks on a audio CD, afaik14:06
jon_yhmm, I've seen CDs with both audio and data14:06
DocScrutinizer05(it has cue-sheet aka index, but that's besides the point here)14:06
jon_ygame CDs from 199714:06
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DocScrutinizer05yes, you can have multisession CD but that's already no true audio-CD anymore14:07
jon_yah ok, those are called multisession CDs14:07
DocScrutinizer05most players are able to playback multisession CD when first session is an audio-CD format14:07
DocScrutinizer05some can even jump a data session I guess14:08
jon_yok, so 2 sessions, where the 2nd session are all audio tracks?14:08
DocScrutinizer05but again, that's not a true CDDA compatible audio-CD anymore14:10
DocScrutinizer05and not what we were talking about14:10
DocScrutinizer05we were talking about audio tracks which as I already mentioned are defined by start and end point, but also have an entry point, and if that entry point is not == start point, you got a lead-in on that particular audio track14:11
DocScrutinizer05~wiki bluebook14:14
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{About|the legal citation style guide||Blue book (disambiguation){{!}}Blue book}} {{italic title}} "'The Bluebook: A Uniform System of Citation"', a style guide, prescribes the most widely used legal citation system in the United States. "The Bluebook" is compiled by the "Harvard Law Review" Association, the "Columbia Law Review", the "University of Pennsylvania Law Review", and the ...14:15
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DocScrutinizer05sorry, it's not called lead-in but pre-gap14:40
SpeedEvilI have wondered if gapless playback is patented14:52
SpeedEvilSo the lack of it is to avoid a licence fee.14:52
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ShapeshifterAre the maps stored in mydocs or somewhere on rootfs when caching maps for apps like cloud gps?15:30
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Shapeshifterand what's the best maps/navi app for the n900 anyway, these days? cloud gps is super smooth indeed but it seems really buggy. Keeps crashing and when searching for something in portrait mode, it gets the orientation of the text the wrong way.15:31
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SpeedEvilteotwaki: Sigh. Though that patent seems easily sidestepped15:38
DocScrutinizer05meh, filter graphs. We don't need friggin filter graphs, we use software instead ;-P15:39
DocScrutinizer05ok, this is weird BS actually assuming a detection method for EOF generic to the audio and capable of cutting silence at end of a media track, no matter if that's intentional silence or not (padding). Furthermore it does same for the queued next "filter graph" aka playback stream/process and puts that one on hold where it thinks audio actually starts. We don't need either, we just need a command cueue in MAFW that sets up next gstreamer15:52
DocScrutinizer05pipe while current pipe plays back, and starts that pre-setup gstreamer process when current process exits (no filters or nifty detections involved!). Then it immediately sets up next gstreamer pipe after SIGSTARTing the preloaded one, and puts that one on SIGSTOP15:52
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HtheBwhatsup doc15:54
DocScrutinizer05Shapeshifter: maps are generally stored on MyDocs15:55
infobotoptification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR,,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3"15:55
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer05: is marble any good?15:56
divVerenthaha, FHS and /usr...15:56
DocScrutinizer05well, I'm using it15:56
divVerentI am not using it any more... damn Poettering15:56
divVerent/bin, /sbin, /usr/sbin are now all symlinks to /usr/bin because systemd is retarded15:57
divVerentso much for "/usr separation"15:57
divVerentif we put everything in /usr now... what did we need the separation for anyway?15:57
DocScrutinizer05and that shit will never make it on my machines!15:57
divVerentreason for this is that systemd guys were too stupid to make early boot scripts not use stuff from /usr15:58
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divVerentor e.g. stuff in /bin using libs from /usr/lib15:58
divVerentin Various Distros15:58
DocScrutinizer05that's basically what we seen on maemo as well15:58
divVerentno distro ever got this right... but instead of actually trying for once15:59
divVerentthe Lennarts rather wanty to throw away this15:59
divVerentalso a nice one, PAM modules using stuff from /usr15:59
divVerentpam_encfs, pam_sshsomething15:59
DocScrutinizer05idiots never will extinguish15:59
divVerentin case of these pam modules, it can't really be avoided15:59
divVerentinstead, pam libs should have been moved below /usr for this :P15:59
DocScrutinizer05extinct I meant16:00
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divVerenttoo bad they have influence...16:00
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divVerentsystemd itself is quite ok, but... I really don't want poettering to have that power16:00
divVerenthe ruined linux audio, isn't that enough?16:00
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DocScrutinizer05it's about time for a large movement towards poettering-free distros16:01
divVerentI mean... why AM I even on systemd? because arch linux tries to avoid patching upstream (good) and there is no more upstream udev outside systemd (BAD BAD BAD)16:02
HtheBmy rootfs is somehow full16:02
HtheB0% left16:02
HtheBhow can I clean left over files?16:02
HtheBsure rm16:02
DocScrutinizer05have a look into /var/log16:02
HtheBbut which files are safe to rm16:02
divVerenthow did you fill it up? maybe that helps16:03
HtheBupgraded the cssu16:04
HtheBbut dont know if that was the reason16:04
DocScrutinizer05a du -x /|sort -n my also help16:06
ShapeshifterDammit... What's the correct sources line for the marble repository located here? ? I tried just about everything and I always either get an invalid syntax error or a 40416:06
DocScrutinizer05hm, you might have hidden files under mountpoints (old unix admin prank)16:06
HtheBDocScrutinizer05 still 0%16:07
HtheBlet me show u the outpur of ls * -i16:07
DocScrutinizer05wouldn't know how that helps16:10
DocScrutinizer05anyway ubifs has a garbage collection that doesn't kick in instantly16:10
DocScrutinizer05usually deleting files doesn't instantly free disk space, though after a boot you suddenly have several % free again16:11
DocScrutinizer05I guess there are other occasions too on which GC kicks in16:11
DocScrutinizer05you may try a sync for example16:11
DocScrutinizer05though I'm not sure it helps to kick off GC16:12
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HtheBoke let me reboot it16:12
HtheBaltough, here is the pastebin16:12
DocScrutinizer05fine, when I find a duplicate inode, may I win sth?16:14
HtheBlike? :P16:15
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HtheBa free hug?16:15
DocScrutinizer05LOL @ negative inode numbers starting at >>-268434770 asound<< though16:16
HtheBoh darn ir16:16
HtheBi did ls -i right16:16
HtheBhad to do ls to show the filesizes16:16
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DocScrutinizer05I guess negative means virtual?16:17
HtheBi dont know :D16:17
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DocScrutinizer05well, all those negative inodes are in /proc16:18
DocScrutinizer05so I wouldn't be too surprised that they use negative inode numbers there to not collide with real inodes16:19
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DocScrutinizer05hey I built an awesome braindead simple movement detector :-D16:21
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HtheBhope this is more useful lol16:22
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DocScrutinizer05(actually I build it to detect random resets of my water heater that result in it shutting down LCD backlight for 1s. I simply used my t900 and polled /sys/*/*/*/lux comparing the reading to last one)16:23
DocScrutinizer05-rw-------    1 root     root       296.0k Jan  1  1970 core16:24
HtheBoke deleted it16:27
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DocScrutinizer05for the rest I can't say anything. again: look into /var/log7*16:29
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DocScrutinizer05err /var/log/*16:29
HtheBthere are only 2 files16:29
HtheBeach just like 1/2kb or se16:29
HtheBor so*16:29
DocScrutinizer05and if you had trouble with cssu-t8 you *might* have hidden files covered under /opt16:29
DocScrutinizer05or /home16:29
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer05: how does you battery hold up by the way? I keep having a major problem with battery life. It holds up more or less well for 1 day of use (while being online in 2 sip accounts and one gtalk account, checking emails every 30min), but as soon as I turn on 3G, it takes about 20 minutes and then I get battery warnings and the phone turns off. When I turn it on again and switch back to 2G, I can get several more hours out ...16:30
Shapeshifter... of it. It seems like it's overreacting when the drain increases...16:30
HtheBbut /opt isn't a part of root?16:30
HtheBor am i wrong16:30
DocScrutinizer05Shapeshifter: that indicates aged cell that has increased ESR16:30
DocScrutinizer05get a new battery16:30
DocScrutinizer05effective series resistance16:31
DocScrutinizer05HtheB: that's the point16:31
HtheBno hidden files btw within /opt16:31
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer05: can you recommend a place to buy a replacement battery in europe?16:31
DocScrutinizer05when you create a file in /opt before the real /opt volume gets mounted to /opt, then that file is hidden and I dunno how to detect it other than umounting /opt again16:32
ShapeshifterI once bought a replacement battery from hong kong for 2.50 USD but I haven't had the nerve to use it >.>16:32
HtheBoh hang on16:32
HtheBi think i found out the reason now16:32
HtheBnow that youve said it16:32
DocScrutinizer05var/log/syslog 40MB?16:32
DocScrutinizer05Shapeshifter: I buy my replacement batteries in my second hand phone store next house16:33
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DocScrutinizer05if they sell me a lemon, they get some bitching and give me a replacement16:33
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DocScrutinizer05usually genuine Nokia batteries, though "used"16:34
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Shapeshiftermh. I'm not sure if I could trust ebay sellers that they're selling genuine ones16:34
DocScrutinizer05since they are "used" I have no trouble when asking for a better one16:34
HtheBive installed like 30 libs16:35
Shapeshifterwell there aren't really any shops like that in switzerland ;-)16:35
HtheB(libs that are actually made for harmattan)16:35
DocScrutinizer05(I suspect the guy to sell the bad battery to next idiot ;-P)16:35
DocScrutinizer05Shapeshifter: what? no turkish shops in la suisse?16:36
DocScrutinizer05pakistani maybe?16:36
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer05: not too many. There are a few...16:36
Shapeshiftergreeks, too16:36
HtheBShapeshifter, cant be16:37
HtheBturkish phone shops are everywhere16:37
Shapeshifteris it even possible to tell if a battery is genuine by that 'hologram' ?16:37
DocScrutinizer05sounds like "we can't get doener here"16:37
divVerentthere is clearly a lot of such shops in Zürich... but these shops look like I don't want to enter16:37
divVerentsmall shop, huge mobile carrier name, looks dirty16:38
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divVerentDocScrutinizer05: haha, we can, at 3x normal price and 75% doener size16:38
ShapeshifterdivVerent: true that.16:38
DocScrutinizer05that's exactly the kind of shop ;-)16:38
HtheBdivVerent real Halal?16:38
divVerentI don't care, I am not paying SFr 10 for a doener16:38
divVerentprobably equally halal as elsewhere...16:39
HtheBreal halal meat cost a lot16:39
divVerentI mean, a muslim CAN eat horses :P16:39
HtheBits not the best though16:39
divVerent(actually, I am not so sure about that part...16:39
HtheBi rather have cow..16:39
HtheBit's not haram (forbidden) but uhmmm16:39
divVerentwould first have to look up the weird rules from the old testament the Muslims based theirs on)16:39
HtheByou can't eat it untill you really starf16:40
HtheBand you may only eat 1 leg16:40
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divVerentlike, for knowing if you can eat it, you need to look at the hooves firts :P16:40
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HtheBwell, every animal that you slaught should be healthy16:40
DocScrutinizer05well, at McDo I'd rather worry about the packaging ;-P16:41
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: when you say packaging, you mean the fat around the food?16:41
ShapeshifterI also often have problems with the SIM card. Becomes 'unrecognized' and I have to reboot the phone. Have cleaned the connectors and card several times over...16:41
Shapeshifterreally, the n900 isn't exactly holding up to nokia rep16:42
teotwakiit isn't?16:42
ShapeshifterAt least the usb port problem is easily fixed.16:42
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Shapeshifter(in advance)16:42
DocScrutinizer05I mean the wrapper or box that allegedly is the only valuable nutrition in their food16:42
teotwakiI've had one since late 2009, been in use since then, nothing's failed.16:42
divVerentDocScrutinizer05: this has an advantage too16:42
DocScrutinizer05but might not be halal ;-)16:42
divVerentas a vegan, you can eat anything as McD's16:42
divVerentI mean, they cannot put any animals in there, they use cheap chemical stuff :P16:42
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: same here16:43
DocScrutinizer05except that early flex cable issue16:44
teotwakimy nokia uUSB cable is still my main cable16:44
teotwakifor all my devices.16:44
teotwakiI literally have it with me everywhere.16:44
DocScrutinizer05I mean the flex connector aka display PCB16:44
teotwakihad that issue on the n81016:45
teotwakinever had it on the n90016:45
teotwakithough iirc, lcuk had it happen to him twice.16:45
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DocScrutinizer05well, I triggered it by disassembly16:45
DocScrutinizer05must've been semi-broken before, since... EE... you know. I'm not using sledge hammer usually16:46
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DocScrutinizer05and, well, it returned from Nokia repair with power button quite defect16:47
DocScrutinizer05which funny enough repaired itself over the years16:48
* DocScrutinizer05 glares at those 25 pcs 0.06F capacitors, coin type16:49
DocScrutinizer05PAS414HR even16:49
HtheBtime to flash i guess16:50
HtheBit's dead16:50
DocScrutinizer05that's no highlight here16:50
DocScrutinizer05you removed all your harmattan libs and a few more?16:50
HtheBi cant remove them16:51
HtheBthats the point16:51
DocScrutinizer05how's that?16:51
HtheB(by dead, i mean the n900 is in coma)16:51
HtheBi try to delete16:51
HtheBbut it gives me errors like16:52
HtheB<package> depends on <package>; however: package <package> is to be removed.16:52
DocScrutinizer05err what? you installed harmattan libs via apt?16:53
HtheBbut i did just dpkg -r <packages>16:53
HtheBwell, they are .deb files...16:53
HtheBhow else was it going to be?16:54
DocScrutinizer05sorry, no clue how to fix that16:54
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DocScrutinizer05I'm just surprised it worked16:54
HtheBi tried meecolay16:54
HtheBto run harmattan apps on maemo16:54
HtheBsomehow, all libs installed16:54
HtheBthe libs that I couldnt find, i just ripped them off, of harmattan /usr/lib16:55
HtheBand pasted in the N900 one16:55
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DocScrutinizer05well, and if you just rm them now?16:55
DocScrutinizer05I guess meecolay would use some ld_preload or LD_LIBRARAYPATH or whatever to load the meego libs, and not expect them in default location for maemo libs16:57
HtheBsomehow everytime i try to run it, it told me that I miss a library16:58
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DocScrutinizer05anyway, I hardly can give any reasonable advice how to fix that16:58
HtheBat the end, i was done collecting like 30 libraries :D16:58
HtheBno prob16:58
DocScrutinizer05and now I'm afk and busy with RL16:58
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HtheBthx doc, i think my problem is solved with apt-get install -f17:01
DocScrutinizer05sometimes that helps, yeah17:02
DocScrutinizer05sometimes it does more damage than good17:02
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DocScrutinizer05HtheB: maybe this comes in handy for you:17:04
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# cat `which what-installed-when`17:04
DocScrutinizer05ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list | awk '{print $6 " "$7" "$8}' | sed s/.list// | sort17:04
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DocScrutinizer05and yeah, i know it's parsing ls output, which is an absolute nogo usually17:05
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HtheB86% used17:08
HtheBinstead of 100% after apt-get install -f17:08
HtheBalso, removed all libs manually that were copy pasted17:09
Shapeshifter >.>17:09
ShapeshifterWhy exactly does this work?17:09
ShapeshifterGSM chips coming off from the board?17:11
DocScrutinizer05LANG=en_EN ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list | awk '{print $6 " "$7" "$8}' | sed s/.list// | sort17:12
DocScrutinizer05LANG=en_EN ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list | awk '{print $6 " "$7" "$8}' | sed s/.list// | sort | less17:12
DocScrutinizer05Shapeshifter: basically yes, though I think none of the chips shown there *is* the BB517:12
DocScrutinizer05and WTF doe maemo ignore LANG=C ?!17:13
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ShapeshifterI also keep having this problem (totally green and dark pictures under low light conditions when using flash)17:13
povbot_Bug 7060: Sometimes photos are very green17:13
ShapeshifterIt says this was fixed but it clearly isn't.17:13
DocScrutinizer05it's fixed in cam module firmware or drivers17:14
ShapeshifterIt's still taking green pictures is what I'm saying.17:15
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ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer05: how much do you usually pay for your 'used' batteries?17:18
DocScrutinizer05hmm OK the big one indeed is rapuyama17:18
DocScrutinizer05~8 bucks17:19
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DocScrutinizer05~#maemo cmtfix is
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay17:23
DocScrutinizer05Shapeshifter: mine works now, after I think PR.1.1.1 update17:24
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer05: ever heard of "powercell"? apparently a german producer (certainly made in china...) but apparently they don't explode.17:24
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer05: mhh.17:24
DocScrutinizer05well, there are not many cell manufs17:25
Shapeshifter"polarcell" actually.17:25
DocScrutinizer05and they got better regarding exploding cells17:25
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DocScrutinizer05I killed one noname battery when I heated it up to check the BSI resistor for NTC properties17:26
DocScrutinizer05it became quite hot and then "pregnant"17:27
DocScrutinizer05but didn't even vent17:27
* Shapeshifter just realized that his current battery isn't an original. Came with the phone (second hand N900)17:27
DocScrutinizer05well, then...17:28
DocScrutinizer05no surprise it has high ESR17:28
ShapeshifterI need to find one of those turkish shops and check out their batteries17:28
DocScrutinizer05all my supposedly genuine nokia bl-5j are still in pretty good condition17:28
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DocScrutinizer05charging the one in use daily17:29
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer05: does it matter how old unused batteries are? I.e. if I buy one off ebay it could be that it's been sitting in storage for 5 years or more.17:29
DocScrutinizer05the trick is to never deplete them completely17:29
DocScrutinizer05hmm, *usually* they should survive that17:30
DocScrutinizer05otoh the urban legend is that a LiIon is considered dead after 5 years no matter what you did to them17:31
DocScrutinizer05I guess when it still has voltage, then it's probably still ok17:31
DocScrutinizer05when it can't start your phone when unpacked and inserted, then better don't even try to charge it17:32
DocScrutinizer05reminds me to recharge all my gta02-batteries17:32
ShapeshifterI just noticed my trusted retailer has one in stock. Ordered it, 19chf. At least like this I know it's certainly genuine.17:33
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Shapeshifteryay, long live my N900 ^^17:34
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DocScrutinizer05~weather EDDN17:35
infobotNuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2013.06.18 1420 UTC; Dew Point: 60 F (16 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.97 in. Hg (1015 hPa); Relative Humidity: 34%; Temperature: 93 F (34 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the NE (050 degrees) at 7 MPH (6 KT)17:36
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer05: You live in nürnberg?17:37
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ShapeshifterNow I understand why you visit turkish shops. I've never met nicer turkish people than in nürnberg for some reasons. Nice place. Good döner, too. There's at least one that makes their own bread for dürüm. None of that pre packaged stuff.17:38
Shapeshiftermhh, nice. marble with monav navigation actually works rather well.17:38
Shapeshifteroffline, that is17:38
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BCMMi've booted rescueOS on my messed up n900 and executed i'm only seeing one USB MSC disk, no MyDocs. am i doing someting wrong?18:13
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DocScrutinizer05well, check the, it might fail for e.g. no /home/user/MyDoc available to umount, or whatever18:27
DocScrutinizer05you might execute the cmdlines in manually, one by one, and see what you get from stderr and return code18:27
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DocScrutinizer05eeeek, vulnerabilities in VLC18:29
DocScrutinizer05 <>  (yeah I know that's 8 days old)18:30
BCMMDocScrutinizer05: i got it mounted on the device and ftp working over USB networking. any idea how much slower than MSC that's going to be?18:32
ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer05: talking of vulnerabilities, this is a fun read
Shapeshifter this is especially funny18:35
BCMMsince it's burried deep in the thread, the vuln is something like blah.php?date=`command goes here`18:36
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ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer05: anything I need to do to "break in" a new battery so that it lasts longer?18:39
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BCMMDocScrutinizer05: do i need to take some action to make the phone charge while i'm moving data over MSC?18:50
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DocScrutinizer05BCMM: actually I don't know18:58
DocScrutinizer05(sftp) I copied 15GB from device last night, took ~3..4h18:59
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BCMMDocScrutinizer05: i just realised i need MSC anyway19:00
BCMMthere's no ssh, and i don't think rsync works over ftp19:00
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DocScrutinizer05I dount there even is any ftp. I however wonder why there's no sshd19:04
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BCMMDocScrutinizer05: thanks, i took apart the shell script and told it to export only mydocs, not home and mydocs. looks to be working fine19:06
DocScrutinizer05thought as much :-)19:07
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sixwheeledbeastDocScrutinizer05: Sorry I didn't spot the typo :(20:26
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BCMMDocScrutinizer05: uh, how do i restore a CSSU n900 from backups anyway? do i need to enable CSSU before i restore the backup?22:57
BCMM(using osso-backup)22:57
DocScrutinizer05you should22:57
DocScrutinizer05since otherwise you probably will either miss apps that gpt installed from cssu repos, or you enable repos by the backup that should get enabled by cssu-enabler22:58
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DocScrutinizer05BCMM: and you probably should install backupmenu then before you restroe anything, and make a backup of a clean fresh system. Restore might be easier then new installation, if you ever whant to roll back23:23
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