IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2013-06-17

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DocScrutinizer05well, setting the nr_requests high creates a long queue with buffers pending to write out, all those buffers are allocated from RAM. But eventually they need to get written to MMC and then IO is busy for a looong time00:14
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DocScrutinizer05setting queue short creates lots of writes to eMMC for a small chunk of real new data each time, but the short queue doesn't hog RAM and when the queue got emptied, user space has another opportunity to swap in some program text and actually execute some code00:15
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RaimuNice sky tonight - picture courtesy of n900
DocScrutinizer05go figure how cp fills the queue with zillions of buffers it previously malloc()ed, and while queue grows, the swapd frees up more and more RAM by swapping out program text to MMC instead of writing buffers from queue to MMC00:18
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nox-heh linux and its crazy buffering...  reminds me how copying stuff to say an usb key finishes much later than the actual cp command as well00:20
DocScrutinizer05actually s/program text/program data sections/00:20
lansiirnox-: cp && sync00:21
DocScrutinizer05program text just gets free'd from RAM and needs to get read in from the executable file on MMC later on when it is needed again00:21
nox-lansiir, sure00:21
lansiirDocScrutinizer05: Well, I'll give low buffer counts a shot - what are the bricking odds when screwing around with swappolube?00:22
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DocScrutinizer05reducing swappiness may result in program text getting free()d later or not at all, so programs don't block kernel that much via swapd loading same program text again. echo 100 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness might be a pretty poor idea after all00:23
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DocScrutinizer05swappolube does exactly the same, it readjusts swappiness and other related settings00:24
DocScrutinizer05I haven't heard of swappolube bricking a device, it just migght make stuff slower instead faster00:25
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lansiirGood enough for me >:D00:25
DocScrutinizer05since I also have installed and activated swappolube, the above quoted settings might well not nbe in effect since ages on my device00:26
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:/home/user# cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness00:26
lansiirThat's default IIRC00:27
lansiircat /sys/block/mmcblk1/queue/nr_requests00:27
DocScrutinizer05and also the nr_requests is 400:27
lansiirDefault is 128 there.00:27
DocScrutinizer05I might have to check what's with swappolube00:28
DocScrutinizer05anyway I hardly ever see those nasty freezes00:28
DocScrutinizer05and I think I copied a few GB from eMMC to uSD a year or so ago, and it took ages but eventually finished, without freezing or rebooting my device00:29
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, 128. ShadowJK suggests 2048 or even 4096 iirc00:30
lansiirAlso, since some knowledgable people are around, I have some questions about "sleeping".00:30
DocScrutinizer05this might be ultra-fast and nice for files up to ~100MB or so00:30
DocScrutinizer05then BOOOM00:30
lansiirComing from an android phone - does the n900 slow down and pause everything when the screen goes off?00:31
lansiir(or similar)00:31
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DocScrutinizer05absolutely nothing like that00:31
DocScrutinizer05all apps are supposed to be 'clean' in the sense that they don't do busy loops00:31
DocScrutinizer05or use usleep in a loop just to poll shit00:32
DocScrutinizer05normat state of maemo is: all processes wait on IO or a long term timer event00:32
lansiirSo if I won't have to keep the screen on when I'm doing stuff? (finally)00:33
DocScrutinizer05if there's any process not waiting wor IO or a timer that is at least 1s (rather 10 or 60s), then that app is considered broken and shall get nuked from repositories00:33
DocScrutinizer05lansiir: no, for example xchat is running on my N900 24/7 and never missing any highlight to my nick00:35
lansiirDocScrutinizer05: We have n900 xchat?00:35
* lansiir needs to look through the repos some more00:36
DocScrutinizer05apps shall stop refreshing their display as soon as it's not visible either for not having focus or screen completely blanked00:36
DocScrutinizer05this isn't particularly new for any X11 app00:36
DocScrutinizer05just on maemo it's absolutely mandatory00:36
DocScrutinizer05on android the OS / the kernel enforces non-rogue behaviour even of crappy processes. On maemo the processes themselves are supposed to behave00:38
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DocScrutinizer05the rest is unix-kernel scheduler's standard job which it is pretty good in00:40
DocScrutinizer05even the kernel is no_ticks00:40
DocScrutinizer05or NO_HZ or whatever the name00:41
DocScrutinizer05let's but it this way: when you look at a maemo system's screen, the CPU wakes up once per minute to update the clock display. When you lock the screen then even the clock sleeps00:42
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DocScrutinizer05when you unlock, the clock gets an X-event to redraw the display and on that event the clock re-schedules the timer on every full minute, to keep the display updated00:43
lansiir...that's epic.00:43
DocScrutinizer05let's put...00:43
lansiirIf I could just get google voice working, I'd never look back XD00:44
DocScrutinizer05meh, I never looked into it, but aiui google voice is a glorified SIP-VoIP00:45
DocScrutinizer05I rather use true SIP00:45
lansiirIt's a lot of things, but I use it as a phone call forwarder.00:46, or, or whatever meets your taste00:46
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lansiirThe n900 wasn't what I was thinking about when I signed up :P00:47
DocScrutinizer05it seems SIP doesn't work that great, audio-quality wise, for some N900 users. For me it works like a charm00:47
DocScrutinizer05even via 3G00:47
DocScrutinizer05lansiir: I'm sorry to hear that00:47
lansiirDocScrutinizer05: No data plan.00:48
lansiir<= le cheapass00:48
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DocScrutinizer05my dataplan is prepaid 10 bucks / month, for 500MB (more than enough usually), and when getting a 30.-- charge I get a 20.-- on top worth in free minutes and text, which usually suffices for the 3 months till next 30.-- charge00:51
DocScrutinizer05(we got no inbound minutes fees here)00:52
DocScrutinizer05I got this "plan" and this SIM since ~2000 (last 13 years) now00:54
DocScrutinizer05of course 10 years ago data been more expensive if available at all on prepaid00:55
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DocScrutinizer05but those subsidized contracts with "free" phone on top and supercheap minutes that turn out to be the most expensive option available after 6 months when everybody else reduces tariffs, that never appealed to me00:57
lansiirI have $0.06/mb, or $25/mo for 250Mb "unlimited"00:57
kerioholy shit00:58
kerioi pay 5€/mo for 100mb/day00:58
lansiirAs you can tell, I did not choose it for the data rates - $0.02/min with no expiration for voice.00:58
DocScrutinizer05well, "$" makes me think "no surprise, third world of mobile communication"00:59
lansiirYou are correct.00:59
entitledgot a prepaid, limitless, about 10$/month but capped at 384kbps00:59
entitledif you pay bit more, you can max out your 3g, and almost 4g00:59
lansiirI was at 150  until just last year ._.01:00
entitlednon-prepaid data plans are bit better, but I prefer prepaid with no contract01:00
lansiirnon-prepaid is about $45/mo here.01:01
lansiirWhere do you people live?01:01
entitledfinland here01:01
entitleddata is cheap here, but nothing else is01:01
DocScrutinizer05it's called the old Europe01:01
entitledUSA has always been bit anal with their wire/wireless internet plans01:02
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* lansiir is stuck heree01:02
entitledfrom what I've observed01:02
DocScrutinizer05we even have a 6 months dealer warranty here, by law01:02
lansiirAny chance you can mail me a sim card that would work here?01:02
kerioin addition to the 2 years manufacturer warranty?01:02
DocScrutinizer05kerio: actually all is dealer warranty, just the dealer bitches at manufacturer, and the 24 months are with you proving that the bug been since manufacturing the good01:04
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DocScrutinizer05first six months it's assumed it's been by manufacturer and you don't need toprove anything01:04
lansiirNo? Nobody's willing to mail me a international sim? D:01:05
DocScrutinizer05after 6 months the duty of proof goes from manuf to customer01:05
DocScrutinizer05lansiir: alas the european SIMs all are pretty pathetic when it comes to international roaming01:05
DocScrutinizer05hell they are even mere robbery when roaming intra-EU01:06
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lansiirdarn :/01:07
DocScrutinizer05when I travel from Germany to e.g. italy then suddenly I *do* have to pay for inbound minutes. And data is like cents/byte01:07
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lansiirBut this is good news - I am going to travel next year.01:07
* lansiir will be sure to pick up an international sim01:07
DocScrutinizer05in fact US-SIMs are way better when it comes to international roaming01:08
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DocScrutinizer05I heard some of your plans are cheaper abroad that in USA01:08
lansiirIt's pretty hard to leave the country, so it doesn't surprise me.01:09
DocScrutinizer05and of course there are providers like suraja, who seem to have roaming contracts with 99% of carriers worldwide. And when you're at the dead end of sahara, you use their sat01:10
DocScrutinizer05calls worldwide for as little as .49$/min01:11
DocScrutinizer05I think they even offer 14kBd data, for checking your email etc01:12
* Win7Mac points to
nox-spelled Thuraya i suppose?01:12
lansiirsatellite? Wikipedia didn't mention satradio protocols on the n900 >_>01:13
DocScrutinizer05nox-: yep01:14
DocScrutinizer05well, that's N945I then, to get rolled out 2015 ;-)01:15
lansiirSo, what's up with nokia these days?01:15
nox-winphones :(01:15
lansiirThis is actually a pretty good phone, but the failphones are bad.01:16
DocScrutinizer05or let's wait and see what becomes of the proposed N900i-Phoenux-gta04 project01:16
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lansiirAre you still buying them, or are we waiting for a n1000 kickstarter, or what :P01:16
DocScrutinizer05nobody else can buy N900, since I BUY THEM ALL ;-P01:17
nox-more than a few not enough?01:17
DocScrutinizer05(I actually throttled down a bit when I had my fifth)01:17
kerioDocScrutinizer05: there's a point where you should stop, and you clearly passed it01:17
lansiirDocScrutinizer05: Are you kidding me? D:01:18
keriolansiir: because they're not enough?01:18
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entitledmy n900 just started making random noise01:20
DocScrutinizer05reboot it01:20
lansiirentitled: Time to go find your bible.01:20
DocScrutinizer05this also happened to me *once*01:20
DocScrutinizer05started clicking from speakers - lart PA01:21
entitledkind of like the interface sound, when you press the display, but repeated very very fast01:21
entitledclicking yes01:21
lansiirentitled: DocScrutinizer05 will buy it from you :P01:21
kerioDocScrutinizer05: will the N904 run a free-ish modem?01:21
rikaneeIt's the noise from the ghost of OSSO. Beware.01:21
DocScrutinizer05kerio: sure, check out gta04.org01:21
Win7MacGeneralAntilles, shall I put my answers to your "Qs for HiFo candidates" thread?01:22
kerioDocScrutinizer05: also, we're going to call it N904, right?01:22
DocScrutinizer05more free'ish than BB5 anyway01:22
entitledI'll eBay this and charge 10 000$, "warning: haunted!"01:22
DocScrutinizer05N904 sounds good01:22
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DocScrutinizer05entitled: you mixed that up with N950, which is ~2000 bucks01:23
DocScrutinizer05yet I won't sell mine soonish01:23
rikaneekerio: "RX-52 board?"01:24
DocScrutinizer05GTA04-54 board01:24
DocScrutinizer05probably the domesheet will be one of the most difficult to source parts01:25
GeneralAntillesWin7Mac, going to start a new thread with the finalized answers.01:25
Win7Macalready there...01:26
* DocScrutinizer05 moos at GeneralAntilles01:26
GeneralAntillesWin7Mac, because that thread was for discussing the questions to be asked.01:26
Win7Macand now now the main part...01:26
Win7Mac...probably introduce new "phase" of thread01:27
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DocScrutinizer05I think the finalized answers belong on wiki, while the thread on forum is for *dialog*01:29
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Win7Macwell, both, to reach people01:30
DocScrutinizer05which reminds me I been to lazy to point out there that it's council's job to represent community on official events, not HiFo BoD01:30
GeneralAntillesFinalized /questions/ are going in a new thread.01:30
DocScrutinizer05otoh, new thread are fresh threads are good threads01:31
Win7Mac*Korinthen~ even01:32
Win7Maci don't mind01:32
Win7Macat least point from old thread01:33
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: start a new thread, then wait for chem|st or thedead1440 to join it with old one ;-)01:33
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: I'm eagerly waiting for next MWKN :-D01:34
GeneralAntillesIt'll be a largely boring issue.01:34
DocScrutinizer05I think there's a number of good stories for that one01:34
Win7Macyeah, it's monday here already...01:34
GeneralAntillesDon't have the energy for a great deal of editorializing tonight.01:34
DocScrutinizer05largely boring unification of councils, extremely boring fact that we have 6 candidates for BoD election, and the negligance that BoD has a meeting on thursday01:35
DocScrutinizer05wait, some fool suggested to get a new life to N900 case and screen by reshaping GTA04 circuit board01:36
Win7Mac...and the last thing being crucial to elections01:36
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, is there anything I can actually /link/ to for the BoD meeting announcement?01:37
DocScrutinizer05harr, good question01:37
GeneralAntillesYes, the GTA04 thing I missed. Link for that?01:37
DocScrutinizer05chanlog of last meeting maybe, where woody confirmed it?01:37
DocScrutinizer05community ML01:37
GeneralAntillesAh, I missed that meeting, too.01:38
* GeneralAntilles expands his todo01:38
lansiirDocScrutinizer05: Seems to be working - it hasn't crashed yet :P01:38
DocScrutinizer05well, this time we had a party, not a meeting ;-P01:38
lansiirThough - at 180Kb/s, it would have been faster to download the image again :/01:38
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DocScrutinizer05lansiir: what you're doing?01:39
lansiirDocScrutinizer05: Moving a (non broken) debian image from my sd card to mydocs01:40
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lansiirI have 2Mb/s here, so I should have just downloaded it again :/01:40
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, toldya it will get damn slow since it needs a flsh erase page rewrite for every 4 IO requests01:41
DocScrutinizer05erase page rewrite can take up to 100ms or sth01:41
DocScrutinizer05so depending on the block size of your queued IO requests, that determines your bandwidth you see01:42
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lansiirDocScrutinizer05: I take it that it wouldn't be much faster if I was to download it then? :/01:43
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GeneralAntillesWhere can the board meeting be attended?01:43
GeneralAntillesI assume it's another Concerto thing.01:43
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DocScrutinizer05if you use dd bs=50M to copy stuff from eMMC to uSD, then even 4 requests in IO queue will fsck your RAM usage and swapping to death01:44
DocScrutinizer05most likely01:44
DocScrutinizer05Rob supposed to announce it on hifo.com01:45
DocScrutinizer05 zilch new news01:45
* GeneralAntilles whistles quietly.01:45
lansiirDocScrutinizer05: I just use cp. dd would probably be better then - what bs is the most appropiate, do you think?01:46
* GeneralAntilles makes excuses about not being kept in the look.01:46
Win7Macyou will be soon01:47
GeneralAntillesDon't remind me. :o01:49
DocScrutinizer05lansiir: you could try dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/user/MyDocs/erase-me bs=2M count=50, and play a bit with bs and count to keep the bs*count size, I'd guess 2MB blocksize should yield best results01:49
DocScrutinizer05maybe 4MB01:49
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DocScrutinizer05(with nr_requests=4)01:49
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lansiirnr_requests is the amount of queued requests, right?01:50
lansiirWhat is this about fscking the RAM usage?01:50
DocScrutinizer05so 4 requests * 2MB/request = 8MB ram buffer usage01:51
DocScrutinizer05which means that 8MB of program RAM get swapped out to make space for the IO buffers01:51
DocScrutinizer05while the system will probably work just fine with 8MB buffers, it would fail epically with 128 * 512kB01:52
DocScrutinizer05for nr_requests=12801:53
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DocScrutinizer05it's all a bit of gambling since those dials are basically not the correct ones to tweak01:54
DocScrutinizer05if you have a damn stupid program that writes each singe byte with its own IO request, then you probably are really better off with nr_requests =819201:56
DocScrutinizer05unless those 8192 IO requests try to write to virtually every single erase page on MMC, since then flushing the queue would mean you have to rewrite *all* erase pages01:57
DocScrutinizer05if otoh they are all to same file, then odds are you get all 8192 requests/buffers flsuhed by a single erase page rewrite, that's finished in 0.1s01:58
DocScrutinizer05and the RAM usage for 8192 1 byte IO requests = 8192 * (1 byte + overhead for queue and system-call), so maybe 800k to 1 or 2 MB at max02:00
DocScrutinizer05there are other nice parameters to tweak, like milliseconds-till-flush-dirty or whatever it's called. Maybe those are worth tweaking as well, and you could go higher with nr_requests02:01
GeneralAntillesDid minutes from the meeting Friday-before-last get posted?02:02
DocScrutinizer05err, no clue02:02
DocScrutinizer05ask chem|st02:02
DocScrutinizer05you see I start getting kinda sloppy with council even02:03
DocScrutinizer05got a lot of other stuff on my plate02:03
DocScrutinizer05and still hanging out here02:03
DocScrutinizer05I just feel like I achieved a good chunk of work got done during last 6 months, and I have to throttle everything a bit or you have to miss me completely soon02:05
GeneralAntillesLike the eye of god imploding in upon itself to infinite.02:06
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, maybe I missed a major class in my college degree, maybe english literature or theology? I can't really parse that02:08
GeneralAntillesIt's a near-quote from a Squidbillies episode.02:08
GeneralAntillesWhen the sheriff gets his hair shampooed at the local salon with meth-doped shampoo.02:09
DocScrutinizer05hmm, I start to get the ... mood it transports. and I think it fits02:10
DocScrutinizer05like a dragster rubber-burning for weeks, instead of finally reaching the finish line02:11
GeneralAntillesOne last story.02:15
DocScrutinizer05while on bug fixing and maintenance battlefront everything turned into stalingrad02:15
Win7MacDocS, what's your finish line?02:15
DocScrutinizer05the point where runs like it did 2 years ago, and there are alert maintainers for every imaginable hickup, so I could have 6 weeks of holiday and every single day of them I had the cosy feeling that definitely is running fine today just like it did yesterday and will do tomorrow02:17
Win7MacDocS, how long are you maemo-admin?02:18
Win7Mac*for ~02:19
xesWin7Mac: you should ask that in a more detailed way.. Are you talking about common people days or Doc's days? ;)02:19
Win7Maccommon peoples days I guess02:20 many years02:21
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Win7Mac*since even02:23
DocScrutinizer05err, I guess since 5 or 6 months02:28
Win7Macoh, assumed you're doing this for ages already...02:31
DocScrutinizer05then I really oughta get bashed for creating such a mess02:31
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Win7Macyou're doing very well, afaik :)02:34
lansiirI think I already know the answer to this one, but do I *really* have to open up my n900 and resolder the USB port :/02:39
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lansiirOr is it all a bunch of people who worry way too much about a rare device?02:39
Win7Macgood night02:51
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DocScrutinizer05lansiir: depends02:57
DocScrutinizer05if you feel with your hardware, you probably will manage to handle it in a way so either mothing bad ever happens to it or at least you notice immediately the first signs of doom pending02:58
DocScrutinizer05when however once in your life you already broke a screw while fastening it, or you had a car accident no matter if your fault or somebody else's, then you might want to make sure nothing breaks with USB port of your N900. At least when you care enough about this little device to bother doing the hassle of reinforcing the USB03:00
DocScrutinizer05I for one didn't reinforce mine so far03:01
DocScrutinizer05buth I checked the soldering on both N900 that I actually use regularly03:02
DocScrutinizer05and I found the soldering looked decent03:03
DocScrutinizer05there might be some devices with flawed soldering of USB port03:03
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DocScrutinizer05and for sure there are users that simply lack the motoric skills to handle the USB plug03:04
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DocScrutinizer05I'm not one of them, so I decided to take the risk03:04
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lansiirI'm pretty good with electronics, but if it ain't broke, don't fix it, knowwhatimean?03:05
ShadowJKImportant to pull out the usb plug straight03:05
RiDlansiir except usb, always fix usb03:06
RiDdont make the same mistake i did03:06
lansiirRiD: Which was? :o03:06
lansiirShadowJK: Already filed down most of my USB ports.03:06
RiDnot soldering down the microusb port before it was too late03:07
ShadowJKI'm on my 4th N900 and never broken a usb port so fa03:07
RiDmaybe because you've been switching around? :P03:07
ShadowJKBut then I've also seen people with q month old Lumias with broken usb ports03:08
WizardNumberNextthats nothing I have seen month old computer case with broken usb port03:09
RiDdon't call me uncareful :z03:09
WizardNumberNextbut breaking any port in 1 month is really bad achievement03:09
RiDit broke after 2 years and 2 or 3 months03:09
WizardNumberNextmine was used by my father, who knew nothing about those ports and I use it already for rawly 7 mopnth03:10
WizardNumberNextfor 2 months using same battery and charging from computer ONLY03:11
WizardNumberNextI even don't know where is my second charger03:11
WizardNumberNextnever have been more happy with any other "smartphone"03:12
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WizardNumberNextI even used to have to have SG3, but after 1 day of use I said it is crap03:13
RiDwanna trade your sg3 for my n900?03:13
WizardNumberNextI expect smartphone to wake me up even if it is dead and battery is at edge of being of any use03:14
WizardNumberNextthis SG3 never been mine03:14
RiDI'll sell it and buy 2 n900s03:14
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RiDor 303:14
WizardNumberNextI borough it after my n95 have died03:14
WizardNumberNexthahaha - I would do same03:15
RiDnah i'd just buy 1 n900 and save the money for a pc upgrade03:15
WizardNumberNextI think I would get contact with SG3 or SG4 just to sell it an buy proper phone (n900)03:15
RiDN900 is far from a proper phone03:16
WizardNumberNextRiD: are you trying to make joke?03:16
RiDit's one of the things it does worse :L03:16
WizardNumberNexthow the hell SG3 can buy you both n900 and computer upgrade?03:16
RiDit can't, therefore "save the money"03:17
WizardNumberNextI am thinking about upgrade, but it would be at least 300gbp03:17
RiDWizardNumberNext i'd say to wait for "next-gen" consoles03:17
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RiDso that at least gpu prices go down a little03:18
WizardNumberNextI want to get myself 32GiB DDR3-2133 9-9-9-? RAM and ASUS Crosshair Formula V Z03:18
WizardNumberNextI am not going to upgrade my GPU until GeForce 8xx series would come true - then I would buy two 68003:18
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RiDmy gtx470 will have to last at least one more year03:20
lansiirRiD: What are you going to do with the old one?03:20
WizardNumberNextI cannot afford lower series - thermal envelope of anything else would kill me in 10 cubic metres03:20
RiDlansiir old what?03:20
lansiirRiD: Are you going to link the gtx470 with the new gtx?03:21
RiDthermal what03:21
RiDyou lost me on that03:21
WizardNumberNextheat, heat man03:21
RiDI don't understand what you are trying to say03:21
WizardNumberNextI need something as powerfull as possible, but no more heat then I already have03:22
RiDah, i don't really care about heat :p03:22
WizardNumberNextI already have 2x 150W GPUs03:22
WizardNumberNextand overclocked AMD Phenom II 1090T (2.96GHz CPU-NB and 3.95GHz cores)03:23
lansiirOh, GPU.03:23
WizardNumberNextI am living in happy lack of knowledge how much power this CPU is stilling to produce heat03:23
WizardNumberNextbut bet it would well over 200W03:24
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WizardNumberNextanybody had problems with lastest CSSU-testing update?03:26
WizardNumberNextI tried twice - twice same effect - first phone app is stopping to work, then cannot boot03:27
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Bambi_BOFHhi  all, i suspect this will have a canned answer. after the upgrade two weekends ago my phone rotation has completely changed and ring/message tones were reset to defaults. i can manually fix the tones but is it possible to get the old rotation behaviour back?04:42
Bambi_BOFHpreviously i had a little indicator thingy that showed i had rotation locked to landscape mode - now it defaults to portrait and i have to open the keyboard to get landscape to come back04:43
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chainsawbikeBambi_BOFH, a recent update to cssu-testing allows the orientation lock applet to lock in either portrait or landscape, it sounds like you have it locked in portrait05:14
Bambi_BOFHchainsawbike: weird, i've had it locked like that for months (definitely since last year some time). i couldn't find anything in settings to change it so it lets me re-lock it but i'll have another look through and see if i can find something05:16
chainsawbikeBambi_BOFH, i think the applet is no longer installed by default("needed" by cssu) so apt may have uninstalled it05:18
chainsawbikefor me its in the status?( tap on the clock...) menu05:19
Bambi_BOFHchainsawbike: thats where it used to be for me so i guess its been removed. i couldn't find it in the app manager but i will double check - might have just looked for the wrong things05:20
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chainsawbikeBambi_BOFH, its called "status-area-orientationlock-applet" :)05:30
Bambi_BOFHchainsawbike: you were right, it had been uninstalled and i had failed to find it in the app manager :)05:31
Bambi_BOFHone gold star for chainsawbike, thank you!05:31
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DocScrutinizer05Bambi_BOFH: you also might want to have a look at:12:19
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is
DocScrutinizer05there's a command how to basically turn off rotation completely12:20
DocScrutinizer05while still allowing it for apps that intentionally do portrait, like dialer (when set accordingly in dialer's settings menu)12:21
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BCMMmy n900 hung up completely, and i had to take out the battery to get it to restart12:56
BCMMnow almost none of my icons are visible. has anyone had a similar issue?12:57
WizardNumberNextI had such problem once maybe twice12:57
WizardNumberNextdid you touch voltages on CPU?12:57
BCMMWizardNumberNext: no12:58
BCMMnever changed any clocks or voltages12:58
BCMMthat's the potentially unstable power-saving feature right?12:59
WizardNumberNextn900 have at least two (I remeber two of them) watchdogs, so it should reset itself12:59
WizardNumberNextusualy SR is stable up to 600MHz13:00
WizardNumberNextanything beyond and SR might cause spontaneous resets13:00
WizardNumberNextI am running on SR almoist from start13:00
WizardNumberNextbut I locked mine to 600MHz13:01
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WizardNumberNext250MHz is stilling your battery, as going to sleep and waking up takes twice as much time, and work takes twice as much as on 500MHz, so in the end it doesn't improve battery life, but worsen it13:02
WizardNumberNextso get rid of 250MHz13:03
BCMMWizardNumberNext: i think i experimented with smartreflex but i can't remember whether i left it on or off13:03
BCMMhow do i check?13:03
WizardNumberNextI find mine to be most power-efficient at 600MHz13:03
BCMMi know it's been running fine for weeks13:03
WizardNumberNextit is somewhere in /proc I think13:03
WizardNumberNextor /sys/power13:03
WizardNumberNextneed to connect to wireless to check13:04
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WizardNumberNextbut first I need to make my "morning" green tea13:04
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DocScrutinizer05WizardNumberNext: sorry, that's nonsense13:17
WizardNumberNextDocScrutinizer05: which one?13:17
WizardNumberNextmy brain is still sleeping, so please forgive me for any nonsense13:18
DocScrutinizer05WizardNumberNext: freq governor should be quite sensibly tuned to use 250 only when it has better power balance than run-to-idle @ 600MHz13:18
DocScrutinizer05and locking CPU to 600MHz is what IvanS. HW-ChiefDesigner of Nokia explicitly said you MUST NOT (2119) do since it fries the CPU13:19
WizardNumberNextDoc don't you think that n900 is sleeping most of its life? I am not trying to argue, but trying to find reason why you think that13:20
WizardNumberNextyes I read this one13:20
DocScrutinizer05no, e.g. during a call CPU is never sleeping at all13:20
WizardNumberNextwait I do not remember, whether during call CPUs freq is scaled or locked13:21
DocScrutinizer05so a 30min call will most likely fry your device, due to thermal design capacity and also CPU livetime <15kh at *80°C* (iirc) if CPU is 10°C hotter then this goes down by factors13:22
WizardNumberNextnever did13:22
DocScrutinizer05500MHz is nominal mac CPU clock, 600 is factory overdrive13:22
DocScrutinizer05locking CPU clock to overdrive is a +really* BAD THING[TM] to do13:23
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DocScrutinizer05WizardNumberNext: you're free to experiment how much you can tune your car err N900, and suffer breakdowns as many as you can afford. But please don't suggest it's a sane thing to do for others who maybe don't understand the risk13:26
BCMMWizardNumberNext, DocScrutinizer05: i did test smartreflex a couple of times, but never changed any config files to make it permenant13:26
BCMMnor have i changed any frequencies13:26
BCMMany idea how to make my icons come back?13:26
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DocScrutinizer05BCMM: SR allegedly has hw flaws which might cause glitches under certain conditions. It's deprecated by Nokia afaik, maybe due to silicon error, maybe due to PCB layout or circuit design error13:27
DocScrutinizer05however we never heard SR will kill your hw, it's just considered instable13:27
DocScrutinizer05OC however *IS* killing your device, sooner or later13:28
BCMMDocScrutinizer05: i know, haven't OCed it for that reason13:28
DocScrutinizer05I really get upsaet every time I hear sb saying "I OC since years and *so far*  *my* device survived that"13:28
DocScrutinizer05and locking device to >500MHz is a really nasty OC mode13:29
DocScrutinizer05and a silly one too13:29
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DocScrutinizer05((<WizardNumberNext> 250MHz is stilling your battery, as going to sleep and waking up takes twice as much time, and work takes twice as much as on 500MHz, so in the end it doesn't improve battery life, but worsen it)) incorrect since a) going to sleep doesn't take much time anyway, since with zeroclock there's no overhead in "going to sleep" it's simply switching off components in CPU that are waiting. But anyway whatever overhead might13:35
DocScrutinizer05be involved with "going to sleep" the point of 250MHz is it doesn't do that at all, or at least way less frequently, e.g when playing mp313:36
WizardNumberNextin the end is still worsen battery life13:37
teotwakiIt's a design parody when you have to downclock your CPU for mp3 usage because the DSP is so inefficient.13:37
WizardNumberNextand this is main point13:37
DocScrutinizer05and the equation is still made up since it's not about duration/time of anything but about joule the whole process consumes13:37
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: eh?13:37
teotwakiwell, using the DSP keeps the CPU alive, no?13:38
teotwakiso you can't efficiently use the DSP when you're only playing mp3s, because it's more efficient to use the CPU alone?13:38
teotwakiAt least, that's what I remember.13:38
WizardNumberNextthen 500MHz Must be more efficient, then 250MHz, as leakage current is same on both 250MHz and 500MHz, but voltage is slightly changed13:39
DocScrutinizer05and regarding joule per process it's not that simple to say anything takes twice as long so it is twice as power hungry since the whole point of lower clock is lower poser consumption at lower clock rates13:39
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: the DSP is not ideally set up and routed hw wise for mp3 playback13:40
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WizardNumberNextyes, but you still forget about leackage current, which isn't involved in computation, so is pure waste13:40
DocScrutinizer05you can't run PA on DSP13:40
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: so as I said, it's a design parody :)13:40
DocScrutinizer05leakage current is the same for zeroclock and 900MHz13:40
WizardNumberNextand that is the point!13:41
DocScrutinizer05so what?13:41
teotwakiWizardNumberNext: you have an amazing ability to make a point, then flip it around 180 degrees to prove something else.13:41
WizardNumberNextthen 250MHz simply cannot be more power-efficient, then 500MHz13:41
DocScrutinizer05and since it's not raining outside my bank account simply can't be in the negatives13:42
WizardNumberNextand 500MHz enables you to do task twice as fast, so CPU can sleep twice as long13:42
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: eh?13:43
DocScrutinizer05SO WHAT when it draws same leakage current while sleeping??13:43
teotwakiWizardNumberNext: but if the CPU uses twice as much power to run twice as fast, that's a null operation.13:43
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: exactly13:43
WizardNumberNextteotwaki: I think that rain and bank was about my consideration about cpu power13:43
teotwakiand looking at how CPUs scale, I doubt doubling the frequency results in *only* doubling the power usage.13:44
WizardNumberNextbut then is sleeping twice as long taking almost no power13:44
DocScrutinizer05and CPU is not using twice the power but maybe 3 times the power at double clock speed13:44
WizardNumberNextteotwaki - it is more than double13:44
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: exactly, again13:44
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teotwakiso running at 500Mhz for mp3 playback is idiotic.13:45
WizardNumberNextanyway most today's CPUs are running on too big voltage anyway13:45
WizardNumberNextfor instance - nokia gives us 60 at 600MHz13:46
WizardNumberNextI been running on 4813:46
DocScrutinizer05your greenpeace consultant told you that?13:46
WizardNumberNextAMD gives us 1.45v on 3.6GHz - it is sufficient for 4.0GHz13:46
teotwakiYou do realise that voltage has little to do with power usage, right?13:47
DocScrutinizer05sure, since AMD only hires idiots from mental house to do ther power profile evaluations13:47
WizardNumberNextand in case of Phenom II 1090T I even don't know, because I favour CPU-NB clock, not CPU clock13:48
teotwaki"ZOMG, that cable has 1 billion volts on it" "Yeah, but it only gives out 1 nano amp, so total power output is 1W".13:48
DocScrutinizer05it's just that they have other aims regarding device stability and reliability than you obviously are willing to tolerate13:48
WizardNumberNextAMD always was either lowering clock or raise votage to be perfectly sure their chips will always deliver even on poorly designed power supplys13:49
DocScrutinizer05yeah sure13:49
WizardNumberNextman I am running kernel, which was compiled entirielly in RAM - that is quite good test for stability13:50
DocScrutinizer05powersuplies, suure13:50
DocScrutinizer05that's nothing13:50
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teotwakiwho the fuck is WizardNumberNext?13:50
DocScrutinizer05you obviously have no clue about testing hw for stability13:50
teotwakiIs he just some troll or something?13:51
WizardNumberNexti9f it comes to power supplies - ASUS M4N78 PRO - ma clock 3.7GHz/1.5v and even littlest step further and it becomes unstable. ASUS M5A97 - 4.0GHz perfectly stable with 1.45v13:51
DocScrutinizer05just one of the zillion WFM followers13:51
teotwakior is he one of the government-conspiracy-crazies who happened to stumble upon a couple of hak5 episodes, and decided he was going to revolutionise the computing industry?13:52
Lava_Croftoh boy there is a disagreement13:52
Lava_Croftlets quickly start calling the other a troll and what not13:52
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Lava_Croftbecause THOSE are the real good arguments13:52
teotwakiLava_Croft: has nothing to do with disagreement, just the randomness of his topics.13:52
DocScrutinizer05Lava_Croft: ack13:52
Lava_Croftteotwaki: if you need to call him a troll of tinfoil hat crazy in order to beat his random statements13:53
Lava_Crofti guess you just not good enough!13:53
WizardNumberNextteotwaki I think it might be very hard to revolutionize computing industry without few bilion us dollars13:53
Lava_Croftstick to the facts! :)13:53
teotwakiLava_Croft: I'm not trying to beat him.13:53
teotwakiLava_Croft: he doesn't answer questions, just flows from topic to topic until he can get a raise out of one of us.13:53
Lava_Croftprotip: just stop talking to him then13:54
DocScrutinizer05WizardNumberNext: as mentioned above, you just have different requirements/standards for your definition of "stable"13:54
teotwakiLava_Croft: wait, what, I'm not free to do whatever I want? OMG.13:54
teotwakiZOMG, I'm not a pro!13:54
WizardNumberNextseriously I am going to do prime test some time iun future13:55
teotwakiprime test?13:55
WizardNumberNextanyway normaly nobody is running such computational intesive task every day13:55
teotwakiwell, there might still be a bunch of bitcoin people hoping to get lucky on CPUs.13:56
DocScrutinizer05in industry "stable" means that it works in full temperature range and full voltage range allowed and full signal distortion and S/N range on all manufacturing variances, with a defined very low MTBF13:56
WizardNumberNextlucky? in what way?13:56
teotwakiWizardNumberNext: well, lucky in that CPU mining is all but pointless now.13:56
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teotwakiWizardNumberNext: look at GIMPS, last I checked they still had people running a lot of primality algorithms on CPUs.13:57
WizardNumberNextteotwaki - I might join some time in future13:57
DocScrutinizer05ooh, I missed to add: on all CPU opcodes allowed, in all possible sequences of thos opcodes13:58
WizardNumberNextbut then I would have to lower my CPU clock, as there is big enough chance for overheat13:58
WizardNumberNextdoc: those undocumented too?13:58
teotwakianyway, 'later.13:59
DocScrutinizer05so your RAM based kernel compilation at a certain moderate room temperature in a certain average condition, using ~95% of existing CPU opcodes, doesn't mean anything regarding how reasonable are CPU manufacturer's recommended operating conditions13:59
Lava_Crofti think i can explain this14:00
Lava_Croftif my bicycle has a flat tire and i repair it myself14:00
Lava_Croftmy testing takes 2 minutes14:00
Lava_Croftif the tire doesnt run flat again, its fixt14:00
Lava_Croftnow if i was AMD and i fixed tires14:00
Lava_Crofti would test each repaired tire for a week14:00
Lava_Croftin every crazy near impossible scenario possible14:00
Lava_Croftit seems WizardNumberNext does it my way14:01
Lava_Croftand DocScrutinizer05 tries to explain that while it might work fine, its hardly a standard14:01
WizardNumberNextobviously, I am only one person, not thousands ;)14:01
Lava_Croftam i far off?14:01
teotwakiWell, a couple of miles, depends on whether your tyre is flat or not.14:02
WizardNumberNextand if it comes to standards, yes doc is right14:02
teotwakiOne of them argues that because he tested his tyre quickly, and it seemed fine, anyone could run it at 200PSI.14:02
vi__what is a hak5?14:02
teotwakiDoc explained that just bouncing it off the ground twice doesn't really prove it's going to withstand a hippo sitting on it.14:03
WizardNumberNextI was wondering about hak5 for while as well, but dropped it14:03
teotwaki~google hak514:03
vi__is it like a gibson?14:03
* infobot starts crying and hides from teotwaki in the darkest corner of the room. :(14:03
teotwaki~ggl hak514:03
* teotwaki gives up.14:03
DocScrutinizer05~wiki hak514:04
infobotI couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves:
DocScrutinizer05well, and while your analogy to tires is nice, what I try to say is not about hippos sitting on it but about tire manufacturer is obliged to make sure all his tires will not go flat even after 3 months14:06
DocScrutinizer05for new tires14:06
Lava_Croftwhich is kind of what i meant14:06
DocScrutinizer05which is sth completely different to the WFM approach of somebody *fixing* his tire14:06
Lava_Croftthere is just a difference between what a single consumer might see as 'working fine' and what a big company sees as 'working fine'14:06
teotwakiActually, I've had loads of tyres going flat after couple days of usage.14:06
Lava_Croftsee, no need to call him a troll of tinfoil hat loony!14:07
Lava_Crofter loonie*14:07
Lava_Croftmy goodness temperatures are ruining my typing14:07
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: I guess that's still tolerable since you can inflate it any time, and you notice it in the morning when starting your ride that it needs some more air. But when your tire would go flat all of a sudden (like a glitch in a CPU at 1+1=714) then you probbaly would shoot the manufacturer of that tire14:09
WizardNumberNextgoing to see WinAwe to playy some games14:09
Lava_Croftsuddenly goes flat when driving 120km/h14:09
teotwakiLava_Croft: I'll call anyone anything I want, thank you very much.14:09
Lava_Croftteotwaki: i wasnt implying anything else14:10
Lava_Croftthere is no need to'14:10
Lava_Croftis different from 'you arent allowed to'14:10
teotwakiactually, that's exactly what it says, it just adds a very condescending tone to it.14:10
Lava_Crofti cant help it how words sound to you14:10
Lava_Crofti know what i said and my intentions with saying it, the rest is up to you14:11
Lava_Croftmaybe if you sit on your knees, you can let the negativity higher than your nose14:11
Lava_Croftand you could drown in it!14:11
teotwakiDocScrutinizer05: Actually, most slow leaks you get come from punctures or pinches, not defects. In my experience, defects usually come in the form of tyre simply not inflating, cap popping or catastrophic failure while riding.14:11
teotwakiLava_Croft: that's very offensive. I'm a small person.14:12
teotwakiAnyway, as I said earlier, 'later.14:14
teotwaki(also, am not a small person)14:14
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DocScrutinizer05whatever, back to initial topic: while anybody may suggest blocking 250MHz for allegedly better power saving, you MUST NOT suggest locking CPU to 600MHz since then I have to act about it. It's not allowed to suggest potentially damaging measures without clearly explaining the danger they come with14:16
Lava_Croftisnt this more about people blindly doing what someone else suggests instead of about whatever random placebo someone comes up with14:19
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DocScrutinizer05no matter if it's about flooding the USB receptacle with 50ml superglue to allegedly reinforce it, about locking CPU to 600MHz to allegedly safe power (actually energy), or placing the device into oven @90°C to allegedly get higher charging to 130% of nominal capacity into battery. It's not allowed14:21
Lava_Croftoh, i wasnt aware of channel rules surrounding such placebos :|14:21
DocScrutinizer05not allowed to suggest it publicly without proper warning14:21
Lava_Croftmight not be unwise, given the insane amount of placebos there are for the n90014:22
Lava_Croftwell, placebo is the wrong word, since a lot of them do cause trouble/damage14:22
DocScrutinizer05that's the point14:23
vi__"or placing the device into oven @90°C to allegedly get higher charging to 130% of nominal capacity"14:24
vi__^rofl, wat?14:24
Lava_Croftvi__: the world if full of awesome SECRETS like that14:24
DocScrutinizer05it's a simple transfer of repo contribution rules to general communication14:24
vi__brb, microwaving my fone.14:24
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vi__The point at which cpu power use really rises on the n900 is above 600MHz.14:25
* DocScrutinizer05 hands vi__ a 50ml bottle of superglue14:25
vi__heh, I already used electric glue.  AKA solder.14:25
Lava_Crofti have this USB port that just wont break14:26
Lava_Crofteverytime i charge, i pry it a bit to see if its loose14:26
vi__try harder.14:26
Lava_Croftfor the past nearly 4 years, nothing happened14:27
Lava_Crofton 3 different n900s :D14:27
vi__You are the only one!14:27
Lava_Crofti have an N9 that fell apart14:27
Lava_Crofti guess that was my punishment14:27
DocScrutinizer05nope, here as well14:27
vi__On saying that, none of my n900s have broken USB ports either.14:27
vi__It is those stories you read where users say 'my n900 will only charge if I hold the cable in at an angle'.14:28
Lava_Croftmy n9's usb port is a bit iffy with that14:28
Lava_Croftsometimes you need to tug the cable a bit to get it to make contact14:28
DocScrutinizer05Lava_Croft: I'd think it's not exactly desirable to have a N9, but calling it a punishment is a little harsh ;-P14:28
Lava_Croftdamn finns cant assemble phones, i swear14:28
vi__also, why would blocking 250MHz save you power?14:28
Lava_Crofti mean it falling apart as punishment14:28
Lava_Croftthe n9 itself is really great, as a smartphone14:29
Lava_Croftnothing feels better as a fulltouch phone than the n914:29
DocScrutinizer05for a *phone* I tend to agree14:29
Lava_Croftwell, yeah, thats what it was meant to be14:29
Lava_Crofta smartphone, not a MID14:29
DocScrutinizer05I never considered my N900 a phone though14:29
Lava_Croftsame here14:30
Lava_Croftits just my pocketPC only my PocketPC is a real PC14:30
Lava_Croftbut the n9 makes for a good phone-like phone14:30
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Lava_Croftcamera is nice too14:30
Lava_Croftno hdr tho, which is ridiculous14:31
vi__On device HDR is over-rated.14:31
DocScrutinizer05yes, and that's been the major conceptual flaw of N9/HARM - Nokia binned the NIT concept and moved on to "smartphone" which is an idea/concept that I actually hate14:31
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Lava_Croftthere is really not a single N9 app to allow for HDR photography14:31
vi__Especially ones that cannot take rapid sequences of shots.14:32
Lava_CroftDocScrutinizer05: yes14:32
Lava_CroftDocScrutinizer05: you saw the early concepts of Harmattan GUI right14:32
Lava_Croftthat looked like something i would really want14:32
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Lava_Croftthen it changed to this highly stylized and very smooth but also totally limited Swipe stuff14:32
Lava_Crofti can still feel sad when i see that14:33
Lava_Croftbut meh, Nokia is basically done for in my book14:33
Lava_Croftthey dont have any products i would want14:33
Lava_Croftwell, id pay money for a new Booklet14:33
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ashleynobody wants to pay Nokia money to have Blue Screens of Death on their phones ;)14:35
Lava_Croftstop living in the past14:35
Lava_CroftBSoD is about as common these days as kernel panics on linux14:35
Lava_CroftI havent had a single BSoD on my Win7 box ever since i installed win7 :)14:35
ashleyI just had one on my Windows 7 box like 5 days ago, so yeah14:36
Lava_Croftwell, i have kernel panics too, sometimes! :)14:36
Lava_Croftstill, nokia is using crippled software, yes14:36
Lava_Crofti guess the whole world except Redmond agrees on that14:36
DocScrutinizer05and even for a smartphone, the N9 (and sailfish?) is way too focused / placing emphasis on that sozial network stuff that I hate so much14:37
DocScrutinizer05and sailfish even has the appshop on "screen4" - OMFG how insane is *that*?14:38
DocScrutinizer05why not amazon?14:39
DocScrutinizer05or youporn?14:39
DocScrutinizer05or a single huge 911 call button14:40
DocScrutinizer05simple! because that all wouldn't payback for Jolla14:41
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DocScrutinizer05jury still out on whether it's simple to change screen4 from appshop to xterm14:43
DocScrutinizer05the fact that they don't make that an advertising point that it's possible to replace appshop on screen4 by $yourapp already makes me sad or rather reluctant14:44
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DocScrutinizer05and while we're at it, please let me replace the "feeds" (or whatever they call all that twitter/SMS/facebook/whatnot stuff on screen3) by good old xterm14:46
DocScrutinizer05err xchat14:47
DocScrutinizer05screen2: apmefo/catorize please14:48
DocScrutinizer05screen1: hildon desktop14:48
DocScrutinizer05incl min 4 screens, widgets, all14:49
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Lava_Croftthe feeds screen is very nice14:50
Lava_Croftoverall the swipe system is the best smartphone GUI ive ever used14:50
Lava_Croftmy problem is just my previous device and my first ever 'smart' device, the n90014:50
Lava_Croftit just sets a standard that is hard to surpass14:50
Lava_Croftanyone who i give my N9 to is someone who immediately likes the device14:50
Lava_Croftexcept the broken 'system-ui' menu you have at the top of the screen, they can work with it right away14:51
Lava_Croftand ill not mention how people touch the device itself14:51
Lava_Croftsometimes you almost feel like wiping the device afterwards14:51
Lava_Croftjust dont compare it to Maemo5/n90014:52
Lava_Croftlook at it as a smartphone and then notice all the maemo-ish stuff it has14:52
DocScrutinizer05not good enough for me14:52
Lava_Croftits my type of device, but its a maemo device after all14:53
Lava_Croftits not my type of device*14:53
Lava_Croftit lacks HW keyb, no FM transmitter, no HW camera button14:53
Lava_Croftbut its still a smartphone that runs the near-same crazy mutant debian as the n90014:54
ashleyaye, a hardware keyboard is pretty must for, well, anyone14:54
Lava_Croftwell, anyone in this channel maybe :)14:54
ashleymeh, hipsters can stick to their iPhones and whatnot :P14:55
Lava_Croftbut most for most people a HW keyboard = twice devices14:55
Lava_Croftwell, it kind of works OK to use xterm on the N914:55
DocScrutinizer05ashley: that's exactly what N9 is: a me-too-iPhone14:55
Lava_Croftbetter than i expected, but its still a far cry from the n90014:55
Lava_CroftDocScrutinizer05: thats not true14:55
Lava_Croftthat is a false assumption concerning the N914:55
ashleyI still remember the Nokia 9210 of the best phones I've ever owned (kinda hard to pick which one is better, that or the N900 :P)14:55
Lava_Croftits a smartphone, but its built from a much different perspective/philosophy than the iphone14:56
ashleywell, the N9 has seemed to me like Nokia's take on (beating) iPhone -- I dunno about the internal philosophies and whatnot14:56
Lava_Croftbut the days that nokia devices with HW keyboards were the devives that kids dreamt about are just over14:56
Lava_Croftprobably forever14:56
ashleyand don't get me wrong, the N9 is a relatively nifty device, I just wish it had a better, user-replaceable battery14:56
Lava_Croftit would have made no sense for nokia to create another HW keyb device, no matter how much you and i want one14:56
Lava_Croftno shit about the battery14:57
Lava_Croftor the USB door14:57
Lava_Croftor the fact that the camera module tends to start tearing up the shell14:57
DocScrutinizer05don't get me started what I think about what kids dream of14:57
Lava_Croftby splitting it open, very slowly14:57
Lava_Croftor the fact that the film covering the shell just tears off14:57
rikaneethe N9, imo, could've been something, but it was a pretty solid foundation for what could've been.14:57
Lava_Croftno matter how well you treat the device14:57
Lava_Croftshit just chips off14:57
Lava_Croftthe N9 is a clear indication that Nokia could have made it fine without Windows Phone14:58
ashleydamn right14:58
Lava_Croftand still be able to make both the smartphones and the MIDs14:58
Lava_Croftim not a brand type person, but when you think of Elop saying Meego wasnt ready14:58
Lava_Croftand then looking at the WP7 software running on my brother's HTC device14:58
Lava_Crofti get a little agitated14:59
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Lava_Croftand wonder if that was ready14:59
rikaneeLava_Croft: you could imagine how I felt when I saw that the N9 could actually read Office files out of the box14:59
Lava_Croftoh well, not a day for agitation!14:59
Lava_Croftrikanee: imagine how i felt when i saw no support for internet radio in mediaplyer on n914:59
rikaneeehh, well, regression from Maemo 5 ;)15:00
Lava_Crofttheres gaping holes in harmattan on the n9, but its just so special :)15:00
Lava_Croftand so Nokia15:00
Lava_Crofthardware and sofware as a complete package15:00
rikaneeLava_Croft: really? imo all I lack is games, really.15:00
Lava_Crofti dont really play games on it, my wife has an iphone and we have a nexus715:00
rikanee(an IR transmitter would be handy, but alas)15:00
Lava_Crofti beat oregon trail on n900 and thats about it:)15:01
ashleyHarmattan lacks speed dialing function -- that was quite a surprise to me at least, since like most Nokia phones have had that basic & essential feature15:01
rikaneeSMS, calls, media player, video, camera, office, Linux shell, what more?15:01
DocScrutinizer05meh, I wish all friggin appliances finally moved on and binned IR in favor of BT15:01
Lava_Crofti dont use speed dial, i do use the shortcut menu a lot to get to the phone15:01
Lava_Croftyou know, half-pull up the screen15:01
DocScrutinizer05don't you feel like getting trolled each time you need to point at your TV with that IR remote?15:02
Lava_CroftDocScrutinizer05: i reckon the cost of IR is a fraction of BT15:02
Lava_Croftand hihi playing with IR remotes15:02
DocScrutinizer05yeah, maybe half15:02
Lava_Croftyou remember those watches from back in zee day15:02
DocScrutinizer05yes, got one15:02
Lava_Croftgod that was fun15:02
Lava_Croftthen we got those universal remotes15:03
Lava_Croftthose had a way more powerful transmitter15:03
DocScrutinizer05nah CIR is soooo 70s15:04
DocScrutinizer05and you can't find a single friggin TV using BT, WLAN, or just 443MHz remote15:05
jaskaha, my aunt had a tv with ultrasonic remote15:06
DocScrutinizer05so when your TV is placed on the floor you need to lift the remote from table each time you want to send a command to TV15:06
DocScrutinizer05ultrasonic is 60s15:07
jaskait was a color tv tho.. which wasnt so common here in 60s15:07
DocScrutinizer05yeah, ok, make that 80s and 70s then15:07
DocScrutinizer05while in the 50s they had cable remote15:07
jaskaprolly 70s.. it was early 90s or late 80s when i saw it15:07
jaskaive seen cable remotes too, but in 80s stuff15:08
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, my Akai GX635 had a remote 11pin DIN plug, which I built a remote with nice keys and 12m cable for15:09
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DocScrutinizer05been ~198015:09
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DocScrutinizer05anyway, *my* gta04 specs from times back with Openmoko had a 4xx/8xx transceiver ;-D15:14
DocScrutinizer05a pity OM never came to manufacture that device15:15
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DocScrutinizer05(it also had an bidir IR interface)15:16
DocScrutinizer05both CIR and IrDA15:16
DocScrutinizer05optimized for CIR15:17
DocScrutinizer05and IrDA just dual-use15:17
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DocScrutinizer05reminds me to move that N904 ML thread to tmo and add Nikolaus' answer15:20
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DocScrutinizer05>>Since I read between your words that nobody from the N900 community has done it yet, I am not sure if we can do it better in reasonable time and missing big budget. I would be happy if anyone proves me wrong by working on it and showing tangible results. I think this community will then try to help as good as possible.15:24
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DocScrutinizer05PS: if someone wants donate me a N900 I can take a look inside.<<15:24
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rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: will the RX-GTA05 base board be compatible straight up with N900 peripheral devices, or will I need to buy new ones?15:25
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DocScrutinizer05which peripheral devices?15:26
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rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: LCD, camera, magnet sensor, keyboard, etc15:30
DocScrutinizer05in my book (main) camera and hw kbd are part of the mainboard15:31
rikaneefrom what I've been reading on the IRC, it's all-new electronics that happen to fit into the N900 shell15:31
DocScrutinizer05and for now it's nothing but just an idea15:31
DocScrutinizer05the current gta04 board has a option to connect hw kbd and camera15:32
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DocScrutinizer05for the N900 replacement PCB I'd expect those components the be part of the basic kit15:33
DocScrutinizer05particularly kbd15:33
DocScrutinizer05the magnet sensor (compass) I have no particular opinion15:34
DocScrutinizer05probably a nice-to-have as integrated part of base PCB, since the manufacturing and BOM is just a few cents to max two or three EUR higher, while later addition is almost impossible15:35
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DocScrutinizer05to make it utterly clear I'd expect such N904 to be able to run maemo5/fremantle with only minimal tweaks15:38
rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: basically, have as many fun things as possible on-board, to extend the fun you'll have with the device.15:38
DocScrutinizer05such a device would be ~600EUR min anyway, I guess. So not much sense in saving a 5 bucks for a nice feature like compass, eh?15:39
rikaneeDocScrutinizer05: compass, nice nav chips, Hirose connectors for all the radios, etc.15:40
DocScrutinizer05(600) we might get it cheaper if actually >1000 users would preorder15:40
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DocScrutinizer05for the minimal-tweaks statement above, it remains to get evaluated how easily we can replace core closed blobs like the ISI libs for acces/interface to modem16:00
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DocScrutinizer05so, while I seem to recall stskeeps made fremantle run on a beagleboard quite some years ago, a *comprehensive* port of maemo5/fremantle incl all "peripheral" functions like modem, BT, whatever is for sure a demanding project16:02
DocScrutinizer05would create a whole new major community effort to make that fly16:03
DocScrutinizer05tbh I probably wouldn't miss the Nokia dialer too much, if it turned out we need to drop it for some FOSS dialer16:06
DocScrutinizer05and until all that reaches production level stability, there's qtMoko, SHR, and other distros that should run on N904 much similar to the way they already do on GTA04 and even GTA0216:08
DocScrutinizer05well, sorry. But once in a while you may dream a bit, no?16:09
DocScrutinizer05(and of course there are all the various mer versions that got adapted to N900, and some even to GTA02. And then, what about sailfish that's allegedly portable to new hw platforms in one nightshift)16:11
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GeneralAntillesMWKN parser ate a bunch of lines. :o16:36
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DocScrutinizer05must've been hungry16:44
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* Shapeshifter is still wondering what to get when his second N900 dies (probably soon)16:45
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ShapeshifterEverything is shit these days :|16:46
DocScrutinizer05there's no replacement for N900, except a new N90016:46
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DocScrutinizer05(MWKN) >>Even her boots? \\  Would I lie to you? \\  Shit, you musta been hungry! \\  Yeah, this is true.16:54
GeneralAntillesPinged Jaffa. Some sort of unicode whitespace character I picked up in the quote.16:55
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BCMMon my N900, i seem to have the majority of my icons missing, and some applications crashing on startup, following having to force it to restart17:03
BCMMi have " EXT3-fs warning: mounting fs with errors, running e2fsck is recommended EXT3-fs warning: mounting fs with errors, running e2fsck is recommended" in dmesg. how should i go about doing that?17:05
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DocScrutinizer05Shapeshifter: iirc you're alarmed author?17:06
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DocScrutinizer05Shapeshifter: head -n 1 /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/|od -cx17:10
DocScrutinizer05err, sorry17:10
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DocScrutinizer05BCMM: seems that's a painfully common problem introduced by CSSU-T817:13
BCMMDocScrutinizer05: is that the latest update? also, is the filesystem's state the cause of my problems?17:15
DocScrutinizer05probably restoring pre-CSSU-T8 BM backup and then not updating to T8 is your best option17:15
BCMMi do not have such a backup. is there a quick fix?17:16
DocScrutinizer05none I know of17:16
BCMMi've managed to mount /home read-only, is it safe to fsck it now?17:16
DocScrutinizer05err, you can't fsck a mounted device afaik17:16
BCMMyou can, it just tells you you shouldn't17:16
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freemangordon_BCMM: ~rescueos17:17
DocScrutinizer05then yes, go ahead17:17
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jon_ywell, remount after checking, should flush some invalid cache17:17
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DocScrutinizer05just better do a backup first, even now that it's corrupted you may want to have a backup of it, just in case fsck fails and ruins it even more17:17
BCMMjon_y: i can't unmount.17:17
jon_yBCMM: -o remount,ro17:18
jon_yafter that, remount,rw17:18
BCMMyes, i have done that17:18
BCMMbut wouldn't it be saner to reboot after fsck, rather than mount rw again?17:18
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jon_ysure, works too17:19
DocScrutinizer05do you have BM?17:19
freemangordonBCMM: boot rescueOS, dd your /home to file on SD card and do fsck from there17:21
freemangordon(dd is just in case)17:21
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BCMMe2fsck segfaulted.17:26
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BCMMDocScrutinizer05: is it yet known why this happens?17:27
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BCMMoomkiller surely sends KILL not SEGV?17:29
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jon_ymaybe malloc gave null17:30
jon_yno idea17:30
jon_yuse rescueOS and fsck from a PC?17:30
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BCMMthat is supposed to be impossible on linux, because of oomkiller17:31
jon_yor maybe dd and fsck the image17:31
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divVerentis there another player alternative than openmediaplayer?18:15
divVerentI have an UV swap issue with openmediaplayer... for at least some files, playback becomes UV swapped (red/blue swapped basically) after a few sec18:15
divVerentmay I have triggered this with CSSU Transitions Tuner or Theme Customizer?18:15
divVerentPROBABLY not, as media playback is an overlay18:16
divVerentit only happens to some videos, maybe due to a recent ffmpeg/x264 update18:17
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divVerentFWIW the uv swap issue only happens with open-media-player18:53
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divVerentit also does not happen in the very first openmediaplayer package, but that does not help me, as that one has no question dialog for opening whole folders18:57
DocScrutinizer05that's extremely strange since afaik OMP also uses MAFW backend, as does stock player18:58
divVerentit probably is triggered by some draw operation on the GUI18:59
divVerentwhich the stock player does not do18:59
divVerentthat may explain why it only happens after about 0.5 sec18:59
DocScrutinizer05that's possible18:59
divVerentseeking also ALWAYS causes it19:00
divVerenteven seeking to start before these 0.5 sec19:00
divVerenttrying a reboot now19:00
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divVerentpersists after reboot19:10
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divVerentI find no way to avoid the issue, even after downgrading both ffmpeg and x264 to an older tree19:34
divVerentthis probably SHOULD be fixing it, so maybe I did not go old enough19:34
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divVerentDocScrutinizer05: maybe you know... as a workaround, can I somehow use mediaplayer for video and openmediaplayer for audio?19:45
divVerentuntil I know what is actually causing it19:46
divVerentwill tomorrow try to encode a video with different ffmpeg versions and different x264 versions19:46
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iDontdivVerent: hi, regarding the issue you posted last Saturday ("1. install bb-p, 2. install swapon, 3. remove swapon. Where does /sbin/swapon point to?"): busybox-power does not serve any purpose in that equation as it does not touch /sbin/swapon at all. Postinst detects that /sbin/swapon already exists and will leave it alone. So you'll break your setup whether you're using bb-p or not :).22:25
iDontThe same goes for all other utils that Maemo depends on during boot, as all of those will already exist during installation of busybox-power.22:25
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