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| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm! http://negrielectronics.com/nokia-n900-media-tablet-unlocked-black-p-2709.html | 02:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | feels like evil honkong, but actually I dunno | 02:38 |
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| nox- | up to 1GB App Memory haha | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | packaging and accessories absolutely unclear, device condition absolutely unclear as well | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nox-: well, they often did that | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they had no idea what's swap | 02:40 |
| nox- | mh | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I might repartition and sell a few with "up to 10GB App Mem" | 02:40 |
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| nox- | hehe | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 1GHz ARM Cortex CPU, up to 10GB App Memory, 96GB Storage (max), USB printer and scanner support | 02:43 |
| nox- | :P | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | video playback | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (HardDiskVideoRecorder) | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway pondering if I should get a few more of my lovely N900 | 02:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actually eventually Council might want to donate a N900 to Nikolaus of Goldelico/OpenPhoenux | 02:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | he wasn't too enthusiastic about "porting" GTA04 to N900 case | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but he said "If somebody wants to send me a device, I will have a look inside" | 02:48 |
| nox- | there are still some at amazon.de too... | 02:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ugh, those backups make for a scary load (blade-a), though CPU is at 28%/1200% | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. one of 12 "CPUs" is at 28% | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still a load of 6 | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is nothing for a 6core with hyperthreading | 02:53 |
| nox- | well backup is more disk bound than cpu bound right? | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right | 02:53 |
| GI_Jack | DocScrutinizer05, you can get empty n900 cases from ebay | 02:58 |
| GI_Jack | I have on, sitting in my garage at home, the primer is still drying | 02:58 |
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| GI_Jack | anyway, there was a freerunner GTA04 port to the n900 case, I'd so get one | 03:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | GI_Jack: well, I think you best tell that Nikolaus, to convince him that this project could be worth the effort to re-layout the PCB and do a few minor changes to the circuit, for N900 LCD | 03:26 |
| GI_Jack | DocScrutinizer05, tell him than n900 parts are cheap on ebay, thats what | 03:26 |
| GI_Jack | $17 for a case | 03:27 |
| GI_Jack | if only I could figure out how to paint over a keyboard and do cut outs in the pain to get the back light to work | 03:27 |
| GI_Jack | supposedly there is a place in NJ that will throw any paint you want in a rattle can for $20 | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he knows about those facts, what he doesn't know is how many users would actually pay a rather high price (around original introduction price of N900) for such a device | 03:28 |
| GI_Jack | DocScrutinizer05, if we get some good homebrew cases made, it'd be worth it | 03:29 |
| GI_Jack | and imagine, n900s with automotive grade paint | 03:29 |
| GI_Jack | like GM sky blue with a white pin stripe ala 69 camaro | 03:29 |
| GI_Jack | or corvette red | 03:30 |
| GI_Jack | my new n900 body has primer on it already | 03:31 |
| GI_Jack | DocScrutinizer05, as for actually buy one? I am holding off for jolla mobile | 03:33 |
| GI_Jack | at the same time, as much as I'd wish they ship, the GTA04 is real | 03:34 |
| GI_Jack | or they'd fuck up this "other half" concept so its not worth anymore than funny colored cases | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is about as much as they promised so far | 03:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Even 'just' USB and bidirectional power would be enough. | 03:38 |
| GI_Jack | yes | 03:38 |
| SpeedEvil | But from what's been revealed, it could be only plastic clips and NFC | 03:38 |
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| GI_Jack | hardware physical connection keyboard | 03:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Which would be substantially less than ideal. | 03:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Not useless. | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | But... | 03:39 |
| GI_Jack | or the device doesn't ship | 03:41 |
| GI_Jack | ug | 03:41 |
| GI_Jack | what is this Nikolaus's email anywho | 03:41 |
| GI_Jack | how much effort is it really going to take to port the GTA04 to the n900 case | 03:42 |
| GI_Jack | and we get a sliding keyboard | 03:42 |
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| WizardNumberNext | hello guys | 11:40 |
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| WizardNumberNext | I tried (twice) lastest update for cssu-testing. N900 works fine for few to seweral hours, then phone app stops to work. After switching it off it never boots again - it neven actually hits those flashing dots at booting - only nokia logo for longer, then usual time and dies death after minute or so - every time. Any suggestions? | 11:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | is battery level normal? | 11:54 |
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| _rd | What is the difference between | 12:12 |
| _rd | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free | 12:12 |
| _rd | and | 12:12 |
| _rd | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free | 12:12 |
| _rd | ? | 12:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | should be none | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | until we roll out PR1.4 ;-P | 12:18 |
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| _rd | Hmm....but there are different files in there, e.g. check | 12:24 |
| _rd | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle-1.3/free/binary-armel/ and http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/ | 12:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if there are different files, then we have a problem that needs fixing | 12:25 |
| _rd | fremantle seems to have newer stuff than fremantle-1.3 | 12:25 |
| _rd | (check file size and date) | 12:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, then we have a good way to deduce when it got broken | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you just experience live the daily nightmare that is maemo administration | 12:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hey could you do me a favor and send a rant to support@nemein.com? | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CC techstaff@maemo.org | 12:29 |
| _rd | Sure, will do. | 12:32 |
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| _rd | done | 12:35 |
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| _rd | I get GPG warning from the nokia server, when I run apt-get update | 12:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | many thanks (not that I hope for much) | 12:38 |
| _rd | W: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 | 12:38 |
| _rd | is that expected? | 12:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you already have a clue when they started to differ? | 12:39 |
| _rd | I hope that I get a reply at least ;-) | 12:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's another known fuckup, this time courtesy Nokia | 12:39 |
| _rd | what do you mean with "when *they* start to differ?" | 12:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fremantle and fremantle1-3 | 12:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or let me put it this way: what are the latest dates in fremantle | 12:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | err. fremantle-1.3 | 12:41 |
| _rd | fremantle is June-12, fremantle-1.3 is Dec-16 | 12:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, thought as much | 12:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's just before Nemein started migration#1 | 12:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | re "W: GPG error:" W: should mean "Warning!" | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it _should_ not cause much trouble | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually | 12:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if it does, you can try setting your local (N900) date to 2011 | 12:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or 2012 | 12:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (reply) you already get reply from techstaff ;-) | 12:44 |
| _rd | no it does not cause trouble, I just saw it. | 12:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't hope for reply from nemein though | 12:44 |
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| Raimu | :D | 19:35 |
| Raimu | Congrats. | 19:35 |
| Raimu | Now where's my Drink? | 19:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf is wrong with DocScrutinizer51? | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ugh, hetzner network issue | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hardly ever seen that | 19:56 |
| Raimu | \o/ | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bupbat | 19:59 |
| infobot | well, bupbat is http://www.mouser.com/catalog/632/2009.pdf http://il.farnell.com/taiyo-yuden/pas414hr-va5r/cap-0-06f-3-3v-80ohm-4-8mm-coin/dp/1853000?Ntt=PAS414HR-VA5R, or use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months | 19:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bupbat is also http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/PAS414HR-VG1/587-2157-1-ND/1959153 | 20:02 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bupbat is also https://hbe-shop.de/KONDENSATOR006F-33V-STAKED-COIN | 20:07 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bupbat | 20:08 |
| infobot | it has been said that bupbat is http://www.mouser.com/catalog/632/2009.pdf http://il.farnell.com/taiyo-yuden/pas414hr-va5r/cap-0-06f-3-3v-80ohm-4-8mm-coin/dp/1853000?Ntt=PAS414HR-VA5R, or use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months, or http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/PAS414HR-VG1/587-2157-1-ND/1959153, or https://hbe-shop.de/KONDENSATOR006F-33V-STAKED-COIN | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, bupbat is use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months, or http://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/PAS414HR-VG1/587-2157-1-ND/1959153, or https://hbe-shop.de/KONDENSATOR006F-33V-STAKED-COIN | 20:09 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 20:10 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 feels like spending some 20..30bucks for getting a dozen bupbat, so they can get sent out to Europe for recipients donating 3 bucks to maemo in return | 20:15 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | farnell not selling to consumers at all, HBE asking for 10 bucks shipping and package, no matter if you order one or 20 of those 1.50EUR critters | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon_ once offered to get some of them with his company's next huge order at digikey or farnell, but I bet he forgot about it | 20:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hell, I probably even could offer rework service | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but nah, that's just too much hassle | 20:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | done :-) | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you are in need of a replacement bupbat and live in Europe, contact me! | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and now, time for a nice cool beer in a nice comfortable beergarden | 20:32 |
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| webdocsr | web frontend, ohmy | 22:23 |
| webdocsr | o/ | 22:23 |
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| lansiir | Is the n900 supposed to reboot automatically? | 22:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | Not generally | 22:47 |
| lansiir | SpeedEvil: It keeps rebooting when I do an upgrade in the debian chroot, or when cp hangs on the mydocs filesystem :/ | 22:52 |
| lansiir | This breaks the filesystem, and I'd like to know why before I reformat it (so it doesn't happen again) | 22:52 |
| lansiir | Any ideas? | 22:52 |
| SpeedEvil | I would run badblocks while watching dmesg | 22:56 |
| lansiir | badblocks? | 22:57 |
| lansiir | Root command, I presume? Or is it an application to be installed? | 22:57 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a console application, that is designed to read (or write) a block device to see if it has issues | 22:59 |
| SpeedEvil | afk | 22:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | swaphell | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lansiir: I guess you tried copying huge amounts of data when reboot happens | 23:17 |
| lansiir | It was the debian image (as the debian image was currupted by the crash during apt-get upgrade). | 23:18 |
| lansiir | So 3.4GB IIRC. | 23:18 |
| lansiir | DocScrutinizer05: ^ | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lansiir: known issue, watchdog kicks in when IO hogs CPU. You can cure that by tweaking some parameters regarding IO-handling, like number of queue entries, and swappiness and whatnot | 23:23 |
| lansiir | Figured as such, my android phones did that. | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | googling for swappolube might bring up some helpful links | 23:23 |
| lansiir | Then I'll just be sure not to do that then :P | 23:24 |
| lansiir | Any way to disable that entirely on a temporary basis (for copying images, etc.) | 23:24 |
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| lansiir | DocScrutinizer05: ^ | 23:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lansiir: known issue, watchdog kicks in when IO hogs CPU. You can cure that by tweaking some parameters regarding IO-handling, like number of queue entries, and swappiness and whatnot | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you hardly can disable a bug | 23:45 |
| lansiir | I hail from mac-land: "It's not a bug, it's a feature" | 23:45 |
| lansiir | But thanks, I'll research that and take a look. | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just a minute... | 23:46 |
| lansiir | DocScrutinizer05: Can I just umount and reformat the mydocs repartition to cure my corrupted partition woes, or is there something more complex? | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MyDocs is easily umount'able and you can mkfs.vfat any type when umounted | 23:50 |
| lansiir | Great :D | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | echo 100 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | echo 5 > /proc/sys/vm/page-cluster | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | echo 500 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_expire_centisecs | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | echo 4 >/sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/nr_requests || echo "ohnoes, hope it boots1" | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | echo 4 >/sys/block/mmcblk1/queue/nr_requests || echo "ohnoes, hope it boots2" | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is close to end of my /etc/init.d/rcS | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there might be better values, other parameters, and better ways to mess around with them, but generally that's whete you start | 23:52 |
| kerio | ShadowJK claims nr_requests is best set high | 23:52 |
| lansiir | DocScrutinizer05: Looks standard (except for those nr requests). | 23:53 |
| * lansiir has it saved for future reference. | 23:53 | |
| lansiir | Since I'm reformatting MyDocs, should I be reformatting as ext2? | 23:54 |
| kerio | no you shouldn't | 23:54 |
| kerio | maemo will shit its pants if the first partition on the emmc isn't vfat | 23:54 |
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| lansiir | Right, so, vfat is is. | 23:55 |
| kerio | i don't think there's specific options you must set when doing mkfs | 23:55 |
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