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DocScrutinizer05feels like evil honkong, but actually I dunno02:38
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nox-up to 1GB App Memory haha02:39
DocScrutinizer05packaging and accessories absolutely unclear, device condition absolutely unclear as well02:39
DocScrutinizer05nox-: well, they often did that02:39
DocScrutinizer05they had no idea what's swap02:40
DocScrutinizer05I might repartition and sell a few with "up to 10GB App Mem"02:40
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DocScrutinizer051GHz ARM Cortex CPU, up to 10GB App Memory, 96GB Storage (max), USB printer and scanner support02:43
DocScrutinizer05video playback02:44
DocScrutinizer05anyway pondering if I should get a few more of my lovely N90002:46
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DocScrutinizer05actually eventually Council might want to donate a N900 to Nikolaus of Goldelico/OpenPhoenux02:47
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DocScrutinizer05he wasn't too enthusiastic about "porting" GTA04 to N900 case02:47
DocScrutinizer05but he said "If somebody wants to send me a device, I will have a look inside"02:48
nox-there are still some at too...02:48
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DocScrutinizer05ugh, those backups make for a scary load (blade-a), though CPU is at 28%/1200%02:52
DocScrutinizer05I.E. one of 12 "CPUs" is at 28%02:52
DocScrutinizer05still a load of 602:52
DocScrutinizer05which is nothing for a 6core with hyperthreading02:53
nox-well backup is more disk bound than cpu bound right?02:53
GI_JackDocScrutinizer05, you can get empty n900 cases from ebay02:58
GI_JackI have on, sitting in my garage at home, the primer is still drying02:58
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GI_Jackanyway, there was a freerunner GTA04 port to the n900 case, I'd so get one03:00
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DocScrutinizer05GI_Jack: well, I think you best tell that Nikolaus, to convince him that this project could be worth the effort to re-layout the PCB and do a few minor changes to the circuit, for N900 LCD03:26
GI_JackDocScrutinizer05, tell him than n900 parts are cheap on ebay, thats what03:26
GI_Jack$17 for a case03:27
GI_Jackif only I could figure out how to paint over a keyboard and do cut outs in the pain to get the back light to work03:27
GI_Jacksupposedly there is a place in NJ that will throw any paint you want in a rattle can for $2003:28
DocScrutinizer05he knows about those facts, what he doesn't know is how many users would actually pay a rather high price (around original introduction price of N900) for such a device03:28
GI_JackDocScrutinizer05, if we get some good homebrew cases made, it'd be worth it03:29
GI_Jackand imagine, n900s with automotive grade paint03:29
GI_Jacklike GM sky blue with a white pin stripe ala 69 camaro03:29
GI_Jackor corvette red03:30
GI_Jackmy new n900 body has primer on it already03:31
GI_JackDocScrutinizer05, as for actually buy one? I am holding off for jolla mobile03:33
GI_Jackat the same time, as much as I'd wish they ship, the GTA04 is real03:34
GI_Jackor they'd fuck up this "other half" concept so its not worth anymore than funny colored cases03:35
DocScrutinizer05which is about as much as they promised so far03:37
SpeedEvilEven 'just' USB and bidirectional power would be enough.03:38
SpeedEvilBut from what's been revealed, it could be only plastic clips and NFC03:38
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GI_Jackhardware physical connection keyboard03:38
SpeedEvilWhich would be substantially less than ideal.03:38
SpeedEvilNot useless.03:39
GI_Jackor the device doesn't ship03:41
GI_Jackwhat is this Nikolaus's email anywho03:41
GI_Jackhow much effort is it really going to take to port the GTA04 to the n900 case03:42
GI_Jackand we get a sliding keyboard03:42
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GI_Jackwhat am I going to do about this GSM modem shield09:03
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WizardNumberNexthello guys11:40
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WizardNumberNextI tried (twice) lastest update for cssu-testing. N900 works fine for few to seweral hours, then phone app stops to work. After switching it off it never boots again - it neven actually hits those flashing dots at booting - only nokia logo for longer, then usual time and dies death after minute or so - every time. Any suggestions?11:43
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SpeedEvilis battery level normal?11:54
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_rdWhat is the difference between12:12
_rddeb fremantle-1.3 free non-free12:12
_rddeb fremantle free non-free12:12
DocScrutinizer05should be none12:18
DocScrutinizer05until we roll out PR1.4 ;-P12:18
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_rdHmm....but there are different files in there, e.g. check12:24
_rd and
DocScrutinizer05if there are different files, then we have a problem that needs fixing12:25
_rdfremantle seems to have newer stuff than fremantle-1.312:25
_rd(check file size and date)12:25
DocScrutinizer05well, then we have a good way to deduce when it got broken12:27
DocScrutinizer05you just experience live the daily nightmare that is maemo administration12:28
DocScrutinizer05hey could you do me a favor and send a rant to
DocScrutinizer05CC techstaff@maemo.org12:29
_rdSure, will do.12:32
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_rdI get GPG warning from the nokia server, when I run apt-get update12:38
DocScrutinizer05many thanks (not that I hope for much)12:38
_rdW: GPG error: ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 134924954612:38
_rdis that expected?12:38
DocScrutinizer05you already have a clue when they started to differ?12:39
_rdI hope that I get a reply at least ;-)12:39
DocScrutinizer05yes, that's another known fuckup, this time courtesy Nokia12:39
_rdwhat do you mean with "when *they* start to differ?"12:39
DocScrutinizer05fremantle and fremantle1-312:40
DocScrutinizer05or let me put it this way: what are the latest dates in fremantle12:40
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DocScrutinizer05err. fremantle-1.312:41
_rdfremantle is June-12, fremantle-1.3 is Dec-1612:41
DocScrutinizer05yeah, thought as much12:41
DocScrutinizer05that's just before Nemein started migration#112:41
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DocScrutinizer05re "W: GPG error:"  W: should mean "Warning!"12:42
DocScrutinizer05it _should_ not cause much trouble12:42
DocScrutinizer05if it does, you can try setting your local (N900) date to 201112:43
DocScrutinizer05or 201212:43
DocScrutinizer05(reply) you already get reply from techstaff ;-)12:44
_rdno it does not cause trouble, I just saw it.12:44
DocScrutinizer05don't hope for reply from nemein though12:44
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* DocScrutinizer05 treats channel to a free ABSOLUT vodka, for 4444 thanks on tmo19:34
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RaimuNow where's my Drink?19:35
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* DocScrutinizer05 hands schnaps to Raimu19:54
DocScrutinizer05wtf is wrong with DocScrutinizer51?19:54
DocScrutinizer05ugh, hetzner network issue19:56
DocScrutinizer05hardly ever seen that19:56
infobotwell, bupbat is, or use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months19:59
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DocScrutinizer05~bupbat is also
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay20:02
DocScrutinizer05~bupbat is also
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0520:07
infobotit has been said that bupbat is, or use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months, or, or
DocScrutinizer05infobot: no, bupbat is use the capacitive type, LiIon are breaking during 12 months, or, or
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay20:10
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* DocScrutinizer05 feels like spending some 20..30bucks for getting a dozen bupbat, so they can get sent out to Europe for recipients donating 3 bucks to maemo in return20:15
DocScrutinizer05farnell not selling to consumers at all, HBE asking for 10 bucks shipping and package, no matter if you order one or 20 of those 1.50EUR critters20:16
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon_ once offered to get some of them with his company's next huge order at digikey or farnell, but I bet he forgot about it20:17
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DocScrutinizer05hell, I probably even could offer rework service20:19
DocScrutinizer05but nah, that's just too much hassle20:20
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DocScrutinizer05done :-)20:30
DocScrutinizer05if you are in need of a replacement bupbat and live in Europe, contact me!20:30
DocScrutinizer05and now, time for a nice cool beer in a nice comfortable beergarden20:32
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webdocsrweb frontend, ohmy22:23
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lansiirIs the n900 supposed to reboot automatically?22:46
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SpeedEvilNot generally22:47
lansiirSpeedEvil: It keeps rebooting when I do an upgrade in the debian chroot, or when cp hangs on the mydocs filesystem :/22:52
lansiirThis breaks the filesystem, and I'd like to know why before I reformat it (so it doesn't happen again)22:52
lansiirAny ideas?22:52
SpeedEvilI would run badblocks while watching dmesg22:56
lansiirRoot command, I presume? Or is it an application to be installed?22:57
SpeedEvilIt's a console application, that is designed to read (or write) a block device to see if it has issues22:59
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DocScrutinizer05lansiir: I guess you tried copying huge amounts of data when reboot happens23:17
lansiirIt was the debian image (as the debian image was currupted by the crash during apt-get upgrade).23:18
lansiirSo 3.4GB IIRC.23:18
lansiirDocScrutinizer05: ^23:19
DocScrutinizer05lansiir: known issue, watchdog kicks in when IO hogs CPU. You can cure that by tweaking some parameters regarding IO-handling, like number of queue entries, and swappiness and whatnot23:23
lansiirFigured as such, my android phones did that.23:23
DocScrutinizer05googling for swappolube might bring up some helpful links23:23
lansiirThen I'll just be sure not to do that then :P23:24
lansiirAny way to disable that entirely on a temporary basis (for copying images, etc.)23:24
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lansiirDocScrutinizer05: ^23:28
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DocScrutinizer05lansiir: known issue, watchdog kicks in when IO hogs CPU. You can cure that by tweaking some parameters regarding IO-handling, like number of queue entries, and swappiness and whatnot23:44
DocScrutinizer05you hardly can disable a bug23:45
lansiirI hail from mac-land: "It's not a bug, it's a feature"23:45
lansiirBut thanks, I'll research that and take a look.23:46
DocScrutinizer05just a minute...23:46
lansiirDocScrutinizer05: Can I just umount and reformat the mydocs repartition to cure my corrupted partition woes, or is there something more complex?23:46
DocScrutinizer05MyDocs is easily umount'able and you can mkfs.vfat any type when umounted23:50
lansiirGreat :D23:50
DocScrutinizer05echo 100 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness23:50
DocScrutinizer05echo 5 > /proc/sys/vm/page-cluster23:50
DocScrutinizer05echo 500 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_expire_centisecs23:50
DocScrutinizer05echo 4 >/sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/nr_requests || echo "ohnoes, hope it boots1"23:50
DocScrutinizer05echo 4 >/sys/block/mmcblk1/queue/nr_requests || echo "ohnoes, hope it boots2"23:50
DocScrutinizer05is close to end of my /etc/init.d/rcS23:51
DocScrutinizer05there might be better values, other parameters, and better ways to mess around with them, but generally that's whete you start23:52
kerioShadowJK claims nr_requests is best set high23:52
lansiirDocScrutinizer05: Looks standard (except for those nr requests).23:53
* lansiir has it saved for future reference.23:53
lansiirSince I'm reformatting MyDocs, should I be reformatting as ext2?23:54
keriono you shouldn't23:54
keriomaemo will shit its pants if the first partition on the emmc isn't vfat23:54
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lansiirRight, so, vfat is is.23:55
kerioi don't think there's specific options you must set when doing mkfs23:55
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