IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2013-06-15

sixwheeledbeast	Another full sized USB mod http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90460	00:03
* sixwheeledbeast starts to mumble about mating cycles		00:03
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sixwheeledbeast	At least it's a tidier job than the last one I saw on TMO	00:05
sixwheeledbeast	IIRC hotglue everywhere.. :cry:	00:05
DocScrutinizer05	>>So yes the solar panel mod will only became usefull in case of a plane crash in a deserted island<< could have told him, simple math is all it needs	00:14
DocScrutinizer05	sunlight = 1000W/m^2	00:15
DocScrutinizer05	area of N900: 0.1*0.05m	00:16
DocScrutinizer05	~10000.10.05	00:16
infobot	5	00:16
DocScrutinizer05	*5% efficiency	00:16
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DocScrutinizer05	= 250mW	00:17
DocScrutinizer05	250/5 = 50mA charging current equivalent	00:17
DocScrutinizer05	not exactly a fastcharger	00:17
kerio	also, you're leaving your n900 in the sun	00:24
DocScrutinizer05	~hostmode-charging	00:26
infobot	methinks hostmode-powered is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203	00:26
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DocScrutinizer05	I#m amazed the guy didn't build in some LAZORS and SHARKS	00:34
kerio	~mthel	00:36
infobot	extra, extra, read all about it, mthel is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCBwLJjzDJQ	00:36
DocScrutinizer05	he now doesn't need an adapter ideally the size of my thumb max, but he killed one of the stereo channels for that, of a device that's already not exactly known for extreme sound volume. So I wonder what he needs to carry with him instead of the adapter now	00:36
DocScrutinizer05	hah	00:36
DocScrutinizer05	~factinfo mthel	00:36
kerio	clearly, a usb sound card	00:36
infobot	mthel -- created by DocScrutinizer05 <~HaleBopp@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Fri Oct 12 21:02:44 2012 (245 days); it has been requested once, last by kerio, 19s ago.	00:36
sixwheeledbeast	once?	00:38
DocScrutinizer05	meh, forget that, as infobot does as well, on every boot	00:39
DocScrutinizer05	actually I think she needs a ~save to memorize it	00:40
DocScrutinizer05	probably a graceful shutdown does a ~save, but then how often does bot gracefully shutdown	00:41
DocScrutinizer05	~mthel	00:41
infobot	mthel is, like, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCBwLJjzDJQ	00:41
DocScrutinizer05	~factinfo mthel	00:41
infobot	mthel -- created by DocScrutinizer05 <~HaleBopp@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Fri Oct 12 21:02:44 2012 (245 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 11s ago.	00:41
DocScrutinizer05	watch for next bot restart (infobot joining chan) and then check ~factinfo mthel	00:42
DocScrutinizer05	but maybe it's not the bot but mysql that forgets it	00:43
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DocScrutinizer05	I dunno if mysql gets a restart too when bot restarts	00:43
DocScrutinizer05	~factinfo joerg	00:44
infobot	joerg -- created by jOERG <n=jr-N810@p5493F5D9.dip.t-dialin.net> at Thu Oct 23 12:00:02 2008 (1695 days); last modified at Fri May 31 01:09:31 2013 by DocScrutinizer05!~HaleBopp@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 52 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 1d 14h 41m 8s ago; it has been locked by jOERG.	00:44
DocScrutinizer05	I guess I called that more often since creation	00:44
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DocScrutinizer05	~factinfo flashing	00:44
infobot	flashing -- created by GeneralAntilles <n=GeneralA@pdpc/supporter/active/generalantilles> at Tue Jul 1 17:47:33 2008 (1809 days); last modified at Wed Jul 27 15:20:19 2011 by DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 667 times, last by merlin1991, 1d 3h 39m 28s ago.	00:44
DocScrutinizer05	hmmm	00:44
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merlin1991	DocScrutinizer05: re repo repository-qp is still not doing it's job, so it was a sideeffect from me doing stuff	00:52
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DocScrutinizer05	which is extremely strange	00:55
DocScrutinizer05	since I dunno what exactly you did, but aiui it shouldn't have any impact on autobuilder queue?	00:56
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merlin1991	autobuilder queue is yet another beast	00:56
merlin1991	it goest autobuilderquue -> incoming folder -> cornjobs -> repository-qp	00:57
merlin1991	and the last bit isn't running	00:57
DocScrutinizer05	hmm	00:57
DocScrutinizer05	so you ran qp manually?	00:57
merlin1991	I ran one part of it, the sync to repo bit	00:58
merlin1991	the other half is the delete/promote/demote queue	00:58
merlin1991	(which is the stuck bit)	00:58
DocScrutinizer05	but you wouldn't touch extras-devel repo by that, no?	00:58
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merlin1991	the sync to repo bit takes stuff from the cronjobs and puts it into the fitting repos, devel and the cssu repost	00:59
merlin1991	-t	00:59
DocScrutinizer05	ooh	00:59
DocScrutinizer05	what a mess	00:59
DocScrutinizer05	ok, then yeah, I see how you caused it	00:59
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DocScrutinizer05	hmm, that's been just as expected now the comments on "my modified n900 " getting more bizarre with each new post	01:03
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sixwheeledbeast	night #maemo o/	01:09
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sixwheeledbeast	oh BTW merlin1991: Pali and I have updated the Testing changelog page :)	01:11
merlin1991	thanks	01:12
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GeneralAntilles	Ugh, I hate writing emails on smartphones.	01:15
GeneralAntilles	Damn autocorrect.	01:15
merlin1991	sixwheeledbeast: I had the complete changelog finished, but then a windows update kicked in and rebooted my pc even though I've set it to always ask :/	01:15
merlin1991	at that point I decided I'll do it another day :D	01:16
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DocScrutinizer05	GeneralAntilles: \o/	01:26
DocScrutinizer05	GeneralAntilles: damn html mail	01:26
DocScrutinizer05	GeneralAntilles: what's been jaffa's mailß blegblegbleg at what?	01:27
DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: awesome	01:27
DocScrutinizer05	ugh, smartphone	01:28
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DocScrutinizer05	wow, jaffa!!! I can't believe it	01:40
DocScrutinizer05	now if eventually javispedro would drop by to say hello, I'd start to think sth beamed me back in time to the nice times 4 years back	01:41
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infobot	DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!	01:52
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Win7Mac	do nominations have to be accepted _in nomination period_ or in contemplation period?	01:53
DocScrutinizer05	of course in nomination period	01:53
Win7Mac	OMG... my list ;)	01:54
Win7Mac	no need for it happily	01:54
GeneralAntilles	6 or 7 for 5-man?	01:58
GeneralAntilles	Win7Mac, go nominate.	01:59
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GeneralAntilles	Writing up a nomination for sjgadsby.	01:59
Win7Mac	My nominations-mail "Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval." anybody can do that?	02:00
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freemangordon	are there enough candidates for BoD elections to be held?	02:06
Win7Mac	definetely!	02:08
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freemangordon	phew :)	02:09
freemangordon	oh, no more 2 councils, good	02:10
DocScrutinizer05	:-)	02:10
Win7Mac	goooood	02:12
DocScrutinizer05	Win7Mac: please post your original mail to tmo as well	02:12
DocScrutinizer05	to the thread where the candidates introduce themselves	02:13
Win7Mac	I will. who is list moderator?	02:13
DocScrutinizer05	we have none I'm afraid	02:13
Win7Mac	well, then who can approve my mail?	02:15
DocScrutinizer05	you probably should register to maemo-community ML	02:17
DocScrutinizer05	then resend it	02:17
DocScrutinizer05	so far I have no clue who and how would approve ML mails	02:18
Win7Mac	I am registered	02:18
ashley	administrative interface is at https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/admin/maemo-community and it says that "maemo-community list run by listadmin at maemo.org" though the listadmin actually links to maemo-community-admin e-mail address...someone with access either to the box running lists and/or the mentioned e-mail address could probably approve the messages, I guess	02:23
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GeneralAntilles	http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2013-June/005897.html	02:30
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DocScrutinizer05	GeneralAntillesincredible, now you opened your trick box eh?	02:37
DocScrutinizer05	ashley: many thanks	02:38
DocScrutinizer05	I can set up according aliases now	02:38
ashley	yw :-)	02:38
GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer05, I bet sjgadsby is going to studiously ignore me until well after the deadline. ;)	02:39
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GeneralAntilles	I've done this to him before.	02:39
DocScrutinizer05	hehe	02:40
GeneralAntilles	Through some trick of insane Talk voters he managed to never get elected to the community council.	02:40
DocScrutinizer05	hmm?	02:40
Win7Mac	;)	02:40
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GeneralAntilles	http://maemo.org/vote/results.php?election_id=6 http://maemo.org/vote/results.php?election_id=7	02:41
DocScrutinizer05	damn, I thought he did at least 2 terms in council	02:42
GeneralAntilles	He might as well have	02:45
GeneralAntilles	But, no, voters suck.	02:45
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DocScrutinizer05	another 12 minutes, right?	02:48
rikanee	GeneralAntilles: what was the turnout for the latest election?	02:49
DocScrutinizer05	which one?	02:49
DocScrutinizer05	http://maemo.org/vote/ of those?	02:49
Win7Mac	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1352102#post1352102	02:52
GeneralAntilles	Win7Mac, put the text of your email on the thread.	02:53
Win7Mac	its the main content	02:53
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Win7Mac	ok now?	02:58
GeneralAntilles	I see it.	02:59
* GeneralAntilles posts to mwkn		02:59
Win7Mac	sure	02:59
Win7Mac	is it samwatt valid?	03:00
GeneralAntilles	I'd call it valid.	03:00
DocScrutinizer05	we need garage and tmo account name of all you guys, to verify your karma and account age	03:00
GeneralAntilles	Moderation queues are still timestamped.	03:00
GeneralAntilles	Guess no sjgadsby.	03:00
DocScrutinizer05	:-(	03:01
GeneralAntilles	Still made 6, though.	03:01
GeneralAntilles	Hoorah!	03:01
DocScrutinizer05	but jaffa \o/ and GA \o/ and jaffa \o/ and GA \o/ and jaffa \o/ and GA \o/ and jaffa \o/ and GA \o/ and jaffa \o/ and GA \o/ and jaffa \o/ and GA \o/ and jaffa \o/ and GA \o/	03:01
DocScrutinizer05	:-D	03:01
Win7Mac	coooool!	03:02
DocScrutinizer05	pending karma verification	03:02
rikanee	mmm, just saw the announce on TMO	03:07
Win7Mac	oh... c'mon...	03:07
rikanee	grats DocScrutinizer05	03:07
DocScrutinizer05	hmm?	03:08
rikanee	DocScrutinizer05: for getting into M/HFC, of course!	03:08
GeneralAntilles	:)	03:08
DocScrutinizer05	aah	03:09
DocScrutinizer05	been about time ;-D	03:09
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DocScrutinizer05	seems we might actually have SIX (6) valid eligible candidates for BoD	03:11
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DocScrutinizer05	ok, fw190: account age and karma verified, Win7Mac: account age and karma verified	03:23
Win7Mac	GREAT	03:24
DocScrutinizer05	for the other 4 we don't need to verify anything	03:24
GeneralAntilles	Gogo 5-man board.	03:24
DocScrutinizer05	...since they all already had positions that required sufficient karma	03:25
DocScrutinizer05	this is an official statement	03:25
DocScrutinizer05	we have 6 valid candidates	03:26
DocScrutinizer05	chem\|st, fw190, GeneralAntilles, jaffa, Win7Mac, Woody14619	03:27
DocScrutinizer05	now we need to make BIG NOISE about the vote	03:29
DocScrutinizer05	so a few community members even notice	03:29
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Win7Mac	oh... let me have a look ;)	03:30
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Win7Mac	in some minutes	03:31
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DocScrutinizer05	~sqrt(9)	03:35
DocScrutinizer05	~9^0.5	03:35
infobot	9	03:35
DocScrutinizer05	~9**0.5	03:35
infobot	3	03:35
DocScrutinizer05	~341*0.5 + 8 232**0.5	03:37
infobot	140.318555006442	03:37
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Win7Mac	DocS, noisy enough?http://i.imgur.com/Nw5HKVA.png	04:06
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DocScrutinizer05	waaaay too small ;-)	04:18
Win7Mac	LOL	04:19
DocScrutinizer05	but ok, i guess we can use it (though I hardly can read it with this transparent background)	04:19
Win7Mac	jeez, dl and look	04:19
Win7Mac	you wanted direct links	04:20
DocScrutinizer05	actually the browser did download it and dispayed it	04:21
Win7Mac	;)	04:21
DocScrutinizer05	watching it in gwenview, same result, background gray checkered	04:21
Win7Mac	start gettin' on my nerves already...?! ;-)	04:21
Win7Mac	same same as nominations	04:22
DocScrutinizer05	watching in showphotos: finegrained gray checkered with gray text on it	04:23
Win7Mac	chech win photoviewer ;)	04:23
DocScrutinizer05	trying gimp(!=)	04:23
Win7Mac	*check	04:23
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DocScrutinizer05	same checkered background. I start to wonder if that's actually how it looks	04:24
Win7Mac	put a white BG in gimp then	04:25
DocScrutinizer05	meh, sorry. No time for that right now	04:25
Win7Mac	dude you serious? - same as nomin.banner... :?	04:26
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Win7Mac	extrabrightwhite: http://i.imgur.com/ustxPE8.png ;-)	04:29
GeneralAntilles	Good day, today, folks.	04:33
* GeneralAntilles celebrates himself, briefly.		04:33
Win7Mac	kind of feel the same. hope fully thursday 10 Eastern will be a good time.	04:35
Win7Mac	I'm somewhat suspicious that rob didn't nominate and adumbrates stepping down are alike	04:42
Win7Mac	s/are/or	04:43
GeneralAntilles	Guess we'll see.	04:44
Win7Mac	yeah, as always	04:44
DocScrutinizer05	know what? I don't care what's written on this thing, and I don't care if I can read it or not. I will upload it and replace the current one with this new one	04:53
DocScrutinizer05	ooh, the second one is nice, on this blank page of browser	04:54
DocScrutinizer05	I nevertheless will use first one, since I seem to recall the other one looked the same	04:54
Win7Mac	actually, i didn't read your msg at [03:19], all good	04:55
Win7Mac	yeah 1st one is great ;)	04:56
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DocScrutinizer05	is it? I think it could be more... aggressive	05:07
DocScrutinizer05	like 50% larger, and alarm red	05:07
DocScrutinizer05	or flashing!!	05:08
Win7Mac	need to ask someone like dave999 for flashing gifs or so	05:09
DocScrutinizer05	I think this one might go unnoticed	05:11
DocScrutinizer05	it's just too good style in style	05:11
DocScrutinizer05	while those two "?" in their huge circles stare at me like a pair of evil eyes	05:12
DocScrutinizer05	am I dreaming or did we have real pictures for "hot2 and "fresh", a few days ago for a short moment?	05:13
Win7Mac	will add "vote now" stamp for election period, need some sleep, good night. :happy to serve:	05:14
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sixwheeledbeast	Why do important thinks appear to happen when I am asleep :)	09:51
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joshue	Hello. I have a Nokia N900 phone. How do you turn it on? I've owned it for two years, and I still can't figure that out. If I hold the button for less than a couple of seconds, it shows a splashscreen	10:12
joshue	and doesn't boot. If I press it for more than a minute, it shows some strange images and still doesn't boot	10:12
joshue	I usually get it right on the third-fourth try, but I am still not sure what I have done exactly to achieve booting	10:13
joga	you should hold the powerbutton until the led lights up white and it vibrates once	10:14
joshue	Ah. Thanks.	10:14
joshue	That explains it.	10:14
joga	however, if the battery is empty and you have the charger plugged in, it may not work as you'd expect	10:14
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joshue	What happens then?	10:15
joga	if the battery doesn't have enough power it seems to stick to recharging state no matter if you press the power button or not, it just falls back somehow, I'm not familiar with the details of that, but if I've run out of battery I charge it for a few minutes, then unplug the charger, turn it on, enter pin etc and plug it back in after that	10:17
joshue	I see. Thank you very much :)	10:18
joga	if it can't get to security code / pin queries it needs more charging	10:18
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sixwheeledbeast	Another happy customer, eh?	10:24
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Lava_Croft	DT-33 can be a lifesaver for N900 users	10:27
ShadowJK	Is pretty good on N900 as long as the battery isn't totally worn out	10:31
ShadowJK	plug in wait awhile, press powerbutton	10:31
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_rd	Can anybody tell how I get the > character with rescueOS?	10:34
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chem\|st	DocScrutinizer05: yeah lets make some noiZe	11:27
sixwheeledbeast	Best TMO post I have seen in a while http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1352142&postcount=17	11:27
fw190	morning	11:27
sixwheeledbeast	morning	11:27
freemangordon	morning	11:27
chem\|st	yawn	11:28
freemangordon	chem\|st: now you're here... What do you plan for CSSU-T?	11:29
freemangordon	oops	11:29
freemangordon	CSSU-S that is	11:29
freemangordon	chem\|st: I hope you;re aware if the issue with gmail	11:29
* freemangordon yawn too		11:30
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chem\|st	freemangordon: wrong channel	11:31
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eddyb	so I grabbed the EMMC FIASCO image to flash, I extracted it with 0xFFFF, then I took a look at the resulting image, and it has a msdos header thingie (including 55 AA), but no partition table :(	14:08
kerio	for what?	14:13
kerio	rootfs, homefs or mydocs?	14:13
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Sicelo	btw, freemangordon.. the gmail fix can be installed on cssu-S?	14:54
* Sicelo has only recently noticed it (because he uses mutt most of the time)		14:55
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DocScrutinizer05	eddyb: see	15:13
DocScrutinizer05	~jrtools	15:13
infobot	i guess jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools	15:13
DocScrutinizer05	eddyb: you wouldn't want to download and flash a 32GB physical device image	15:14
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DocScrutinizer05	eddyb: so the VANILLA is not an image but rather a job	15:17
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sixwheeledbeast	DocScrutinizer05: nice post ;)	15:24
DocScrutinizer05	hehe	15:24
sixwheeledbeast	well until merlin kicks the builder box again I can sleep or better still get back to watching the GP QP.	15:27
DocScrutinizer05	GP QP?	15:27
sixwheeledbeast	MotoGP Qualifying :)	15:28
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DocScrutinizer05	aaah :-)	15:29
DocScrutinizer05	you by any chance got a link to unification tmo thread?	15:29
sixwheeledbeast	DocScrutinizer05: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90461	15:31
DocScrutinizer05	nm found it http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90461	15:31
DocScrutinizer05	:-D thanks :-)	15:31
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sixwheeledbeast	snap ... again	15:31
sixwheeledbeast	searched for "align" ;)	15:32
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eddyb	DocScrutinizer05: sorry, I was napping. so I read the .layout file, however I don't see enough info to get a complete EMMC out of the 250MB image	15:38
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Sicelo	:P	15:39
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Sicelo	eddyb: the emmc is mostly yours anyway.. system takes up only asmall portion.	15:40
DocScrutinizer05	eddyb: what would be missing? fdisk and mkfs probably only need a few hundred bytes input to create arbitrary number of arbitrarily sized partitions on any device	15:41
eddyb	DocScrutinizer05: mapping between the 250MB file and the EMMC	15:41
DocScrutinizer05	which btw is the reason why you need a semi-functional rootfs to flash eMMC	15:42
DocScrutinizer05	what mapping?	15:42
eddyb	pffft	15:43
eddyb	there's a 250MB file and a .layout file	15:43
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eddyb	the .layout may be used to create the empty partitions. but there's no info on how/what to copy from the 250MB and how/where to put it in the EMMC	15:44
eddyb	*250MB file	15:44
DocScrutinizer05	sfdisk <partitoninginfo.txt && makfs.vfat /dev/mmc1p0 && tar -x thearchive.tgz	15:44
eddyb	tgz?	15:45
DocScrutinizer05	sure, what else?	15:45
eddyb	there's a 250MB image mmc_RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA that has a msdos header	15:45
DocScrutinizer05	it has? omg	15:45
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DocScrutinizer05	are you sure that hader not been created by 0xffff to provide a proper file to loopmount?	15:46
DocScrutinizer05	header even	15:46
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DocScrutinizer05	this is not image	15:46
eddyb	0xffff is a flasher, so I don't see why it would do that :S	15:46
DocScrutinizer05	no	15:47
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DocScrutinizer05	0xffff is an interface to NOLO resp to a software in maemo rootfs to create and populate eMMC	15:47
DocScrutinizer05	that's what I tried to explain to you above	15:47
DocScrutinizer05	NOLO is a flasher	15:48
DocScrutinizer05	in the way it actually writes stuff to NAND	15:48
eddyb	I mean it's a tool used to flash, I just told it to extract a FIASCO image...	15:49
DocScrutinizer05	0xffff and flasher-3.5 are just frontends talking to NOLO	15:49
DocScrutinizer05	meh	15:49
eddyb	so it's supposed to be a .layout and a .tgz?	15:49
DocScrutinizer05	yes	15:49
DocScrutinizer05	basically	15:50
eddyb	is there anything in the vanilla homefs?	15:50
DocScrutinizer05	sorry?	15:50
DocScrutinizer05	aaah	15:50
eddyb	someone else used that name. I mean the /home partition	15:51
DocScrutinizer05	well, I dunno for sure if they copy $HOME content from the vanilla or they use the template that's on rootfs anyway	15:51
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eddyb	if there isn't, can I just create a new clean ext3 partition for /home over the bootmenu usb interface for emmc (without touching the partition table) and then flash combined?	15:52
DocScrutinizer05	there's an option "reset to factory settings" OWTTE in settings menu, and it basically copies a template/skeletton from NAND rootfs to $HOME	15:53
eddyb	yeah, but my /home is corrupted. like, the entire partition. CSSU-T having a 2008 fsck didn't help :P	15:54
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DocScrutinizer05	hmmm	15:54
DocScrutinizer05	so what you're planning to do?	15:54
Sicelo	mount it on pc then, and use recent fsck?	15:54
DocScrutinizer05	via flasher-3.5 you can't do anything special, you just can start the software tools on your rootfs that do the eMMC partitioning and populating for you	15:55
DocScrutinizer05	Sicelo: that's a good alternative, when the system has a means to mount /home via USB	15:56
eddyb	bootmenu lets me access the raw emmc over USB	15:56
DocScrutinizer05	yes	15:56
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DocScrutinizer05	this way many users succeeded in running PC fsck against their /home	15:57
eddyb	I already dd the home partition and loop-mounted a copy of the copy (paranoid now) - some of the files are still there, some of the files are in lost+found	15:57
DocScrutinizer05	:nod:	15:58
DocScrutinizer05	SOL then	15:58
DocScrutinizer05	reflash	15:58
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eddyb	(not sure if it's my PC fsck that did that or the broken maemo one. I have to mount the original copy again as read-only to find out)	15:58
DocScrutinizer05	then after restoring a working system incl /home, you can restore the existing files from your PC to N900	15:59
eddyb	DocScrutinizer05: but I don't want to copy the 20GB of everything I have in MyDocs (potentially more than one time)...	15:59
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DocScrutinizer05	or rather, you should reflash and then restore from your BM backup you for sure must have since you're on CSU aiui	16:00
eddyb	so I want to touch only the /home partition instead of flashing the entire vanilla	16:00
DocScrutinizer05	;-)	16:00
DocScrutinizer05	aaaah	16:00
DocScrutinizer05	well, that's rather tricky	16:00
eddyb	the only thing I can restore is the config files that didn't end up in lost+found	16:00
eddyb	DocScrutinizer05: if I had another N900, I would just flash vanilla on that and dd the entire partition from there	16:01
eddyb	I just need to know what happens to /home when I flash vanilla, and it's not tricky anymore	16:01
DocScrutinizer05	mount the whole thing via USB, check partitioning if it's still OK, then mkfs.ext3 on USB-mounted /home partition and try "reset to factory"	16:01
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DocScrutinizer05	as mentioned above I'm not entirely sure what happens to /home on flashing VANILLA, my suspicion would be they copy the skeletton from /etc/$whatever over to /home and /home/user	16:03
DocScrutinizer05	but the problem is you lost /home/opt so you need to flash COMBINED anyway	16:03
eddyb	I heard that happens when you first boot	16:03
eddyb	setting up /home and everything	16:03
DocScrutinizer05	partially	16:03
DocScrutinizer05	quite psiible	16:04
eddyb	https://github.com/radare/0xFFFF/blob/master/doc/mkii so I see how that goes	16:04
DocScrutinizer05	actually I heard every boot should recreate the needed structure in /home and /home/user/* when it got deleted	16:05
DocScrutinizer05	I guess it won't pan out though	16:05
DocScrutinizer05	what's absolutely clear is that optification creates /home/opt on first boot after flashing COMBINED aka rootfs	16:06
DocScrutinizer05	but that doesn't help you either	16:06
DocScrutinizer05	OTOH when /home got corrupted, odds are /home/user/MyDocs vfat partition got corrupted as well	16:07
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DocScrutinizer05	so you need to create a backup of whatever you still can get from your mass storage vfat partition, anyway	16:08
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eddyb	I wanted to say, I'll backup anything in MyDocs that I don't already have a copy of somewhere else	16:10
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eddyb	but I updated CSSU-T (I know, I know, I'm a dumbass for disregarding the "you should backup" message), it rebooted as usual. then a few hours later, when I was using maybe too much RAM and CPU, it restarted itself, and then the 2008 fsck came into action and decided (perhaps wrongfully) that a lot of the fs was corrupted, and ended up with a very large log mentioning almost all inodes in there	16:14
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eddyb	I had mounted MyDocs a few times on my laptop since then, I doubt it has any problems (yet)	16:15
eddyb	DocScrutinizer05: 0xffff isn't doing anything funny there: https://github.com/radare/0xFFFF/blob/master/src/fiasco.c#L490	16:16
eddyb	apparently the .layout file is associated with the main image	16:16
eddyb	DocScrutinizer05: in the msdos header: Nokia N900 FAT32 ..¾w\|¬"Àt.V´.»..Í.^ëð2äÍ.Í.ëþThis is not a boot disk. Remove, and press a key to reboot	16:17
eddyb	there's HTML in that image, lol	16:19
eddyb	../User_Guide_Russian_index.html	16:20
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eddyb	and I found a FAT table (redundant I know) gotta love 8.3	16:21
kerio	eddyb: fsck is a bad mistake, yeah	16:22
kerio	ancient dosfsck on flash	16:23
eddyb	DocScrutinizer05: this image looks like it's only for MyDocs	16:23
eddyb	DocScrutinizer05: https://gist.github.com/eddyb/d0d212e37b64952c87d1 no_create makes me think the 250MB image contains the initial MyDocs FAT32 partition	16:25
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* Win7Mac is open for improvements on the elections-banner, please share your ideas: http://i.imgur.com/Nw5HKVA.png		16:25
eddyb	Win7Mac: use less artifacts :P	16:25
eddyb	and antialiasing is your friend	16:26
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eddyb	backup MyDocs, format the /home partition with ext3, flash combined. nothing can go wrong, right?	16:31
Win7Mac	eddyb, not sure what you mean, it doesn't render correct on your side?	16:32
sixwheeledbeast	Win7Mac: please update http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon_Foundation/Board_candidate_declarations_for_June_2013	16:32
Win7Mac	I will	16:32
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Lava_Croft	eddyb: the artifacts are courtesy of imgur compression	16:49
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eddyb	but it's a .png :/	16:50
eddyb	it's not big enough for imgur to compress it	16:51
Lava_Croft	aw:<	16:52
eddyb	Win7Mac: images don	16:55
eddyb	argh	16:55
eddyb	take 2:	16:59
Win7Mac	I don't understand	16:59
eddyb	Win7Mac: images don't really "render", for what you think happens to happen, libpng would need to be quite broken	16:59
eddyb	the image you made has annoyances	17:00
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Win7Mac	what about this?: http://i.imgur.com/OKPpGeB.gif	17:10
eddyb	it has the exact same problems, now with added flashing	17:11
eddyb	flashing image. lol	17:11
eddyb	Win7Mac: Hildon Foundation is fuzzy, as if it was upscaled. seeks is fuzzy (excessive anti-aliasing or JPEG artifacts) and the straight lines used on the left are too crispy (no anti-aliasing)	17:13
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eddyb	the overall layout is good, but I tend to be picky with the details	17:13
Win7Mac	can't find aliasing in Photoshop	17:14
Win7Mac	...or anti-aliasing	17:15
DocScrutinizer05	Win7Mac: the flashing is awesome	17:19
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DocScrutinizer05	hey guys, how to specify output filename for curl?	17:20
jon_y	-o?	17:22
jon_y	DocScrutinizer05: ^^	17:22
DocScrutinizer05	yep, thanks	17:23
DocScrutinizer05	dafaq	17:24
DocScrutinizer05	curl -LJO http://i.imgur.com/OKPpGeB.gif -o BoDelection_banner.png	17:24
DocScrutinizer05	% Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current	17:24
DocScrutinizer05	Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed	17:24
DocScrutinizer05	100 8931 100 8931 0 0 72954 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 242k	17:24
DocScrutinizer05	curl: Saved to filename 'OKPpGeB.gif'	17:24
jon_y	wtf	17:24
DocScrutinizer05	maybe the "O" should get nuked?	17:25
jon_y	maybe -o needs to be specified first?	17:25
jon_y	probabaly -O	17:25
DocScrutinizer05	-O, --remote-name Write output to a file named as the remote file	17:25
DocScrutinizer05	sigh now it refuses since destination file exists	17:26
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eddyb	why are you saving the .gif as a .png?	17:27
eddyb	recipe for fubar	17:27
DocScrutinizer05	since I didn't notice	17:28
DocScrutinizer05	Win7Mac: where's the .png?	17:29
DocScrutinizer05	eddyb: thanks for noticing it	17:29
GeneralAntilles	N900 is still the only mobile device I've ever used that I felt comfortable editing wikis on.	17:30
DocScrutinizer05	hehe	17:30
DocScrutinizer05	wait for phoeNIX	17:32
DocScrutinizer05	phoeN-IX00 ?	17:32
Win7Mac	edited the FiFo-logo in the gif: http://i.imgur.com/8IFFDEm.gif	17:33
Win7Mac	*HiFo	17:33
DocScrutinizer05	sorry I've been told I may not use gif	17:33
Win7Mac	then no animation	17:33
DocScrutinizer05	ouch	17:33
DocScrutinizer05	damn	17:33
DocScrutinizer05	sigh I guess I have to edit raw HTML now	17:34
Win7Mac	at least I'm not aware of animation in other formats then gif	17:35
eddyb	APNG	17:36
eddyb	and maybe WebP	17:36
eddyb	it's just two frames, very easy to do with JS or CSS3 animations	17:37
DocScrutinizer05	seems after editing href= in HTML to *.gif it works	17:37
DocScrutinizer05	http://maemo.org	17:37
Win7Mac	seen it, nice!	17:37
DocScrutinizer05	now I need a shower - I touched raw HTML and even edited it	17:39
Win7Mac	LOL	17:39
Win7Mac	I can't seem to get animated png's out of Photoshop CS6	17:40
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Win7Mac	no WebP either	17:40
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eddyb	n900/MyDocs.bkp> cp -a /var/run/media/eddy/Nokia\ N900/!(KDE\|kde-install-temp\|Dicto\|Music) .	17:43
eddyb	that took a while, without the ~20GB used by .documents+Music	17:44
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Win7Mac	chem\|st, can you place it in tmo?: http://i.imgur.com/8IFFDEm.gif	17:45
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eddyb	echo /var/run/media/eddy/Nokia\ N900/.!(documents) \| grep documents # gives me nothing. also ld -d with the same argument also shows no .documents	17:53
eddyb	but if I run cp -a, it copies docu..... aaaah	17:54
eddyb	that pattern includes . and .., heh	17:54
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eddyb	so I end up with cp -a /var/run/media/eddy/Nokia\ N900/.!(documents\|\|.) . # lol	17:55
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DocScrutinizer05	var/run/media/* ?? that kinda sounds odd. Which distro/desktop is doing such stuff?	18:04
eddyb	it was /media some time ago	18:05
DocScrutinizer05	which sounds better to me	18:05
eddyb	I think it's a backend for kio in kde4 that decides which directory to use	18:05
DocScrutinizer05	must be a (freedesktop.org\|\|poettering)ism then	18:06
DocScrutinizer05	ugh kde4 / kio	18:06
DocScrutinizer05	yeah	18:06
DocScrutinizer05	terrible stuff	18:06
eddyb	there's probably a setting for it somewhere, but I cba to change it	18:06
DocScrutinizer05	I have to killall kio* every now and then	18:06
eddyb	uhm, why?	18:07
eddyb	why would you intentionally kill kio workers?	18:07
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eddyb	it's like unloading kernel fs drivers :\|	18:07
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DocScrutinizer05	e.g because pastebin applet freezes this k* process that's doing everything under KDE4	18:08
eddyb	must be a broken pastebin applet	18:08
DocScrutinizer05	also always several kio-http tend to linger on forever	18:08
eddyb	or too old of a kde4 version	18:08
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* Win7Mac updated http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon_Foundation/Board_candidate_declarations_for_June_2013 . But I can't edit the References		18:09
eddyb	DocScrutinizer05: sounds like very large timeouts for http requests	18:09
DocScrutinizer05	well, they are larger than usual, but not THAT large	18:09
DocScrutinizer05	PLASMA	18:10
DocScrutinizer05	been the word I refused to recall	18:10
eddyb	plasma-desktop	18:10
DocScrutinizer05	at least I think it been	18:10
DocScrutinizer05	yeah, dat shite	18:10
DocScrutinizer05	luckily it doesn't freeze alt-tab	18:11
eddyb	alt+tab is handled by kwin4	18:11
DocScrutinizer05	so I still can access my always-open system monitor	18:11
DocScrutinizer05	to kill all kio-file	18:11
DocScrutinizer05	and that magically recovers the pastebin applet	18:11
eddyb	kio-file shouldn't ever cause a problem	18:12
DocScrutinizer05	and thus plasma	18:12
eddyb	DocScrutinizer05: plasma-desktop -v	18:12
DocScrutinizer05	shouldn't yeah, you're absolutely right it should not	18:12
eddyb	what versions does it show?	18:13
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DocScrutinizer05	Qt: 4.8.1	18:13
DocScrutinizer05	KDE Development Platform: 4.8.5 (4.8.5) "release 2"	18:13
DocScrutinizer05	Plasma Desktop Shell: 0.4	18:13
eddyb	hmm, that's just two versions behind, never had problems back then	18:14
eddyb	where did you get the pastebin applet?	18:14
DocScrutinizer05	err, from that friggin "menu" to pick applets?	18:14
DocScrutinizer05	"add widgets"	18:14
eddyb	"KWin and Path to Wayland—Intial experimental support for Wayland was added to KWin. KWin also got many OpenGL improvements including support being added for creating an OpenGL 3.1 core context and robustness from using the new functionality provided by the GL_ARB_robustness extension."	18:15
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eddyb	^^cool	18:15
eddyb	DocScrutinizer05: ok, let me check it out	18:15
eddyb	nope, I don't have it	18:15
DocScrutinizer05	it only occasionally locks up, particularly when pastebining screenshots from clipboard	18:15
eddyb	how can you pastebin a screenshot?	18:16
eddyb	I ctrl+v on imgur.com	18:16
DocScrutinizer05	or rather, probably when far end refuses paste and doesn't answer in the way thispastebin thingie expects	18:16
eddyb	that was my first thought, bad logic in the applet	18:17
DocScrutinizer05	I take a screenshot with the screenshot tool, select "copy" and then "paste" in pastebin widget	18:17
DocScrutinizer05	bad logic in kplasma to let a widget freeze the whole session	18:18
eddyb	it's not kplasma :P	18:18
DocScrutinizer05	that's as nasty and braindamaged as in Hildon desktop, just that on maemo I understand why they implemented it that way	18:18
eddyb	does anything other than plasma (the other applets) freeze?	18:19
DocScrutinizer05	actually plasma-desktop, yeah	18:19
DocScrutinizer05	that's what I need to restart via alt-F2 when it segfaulted once more	18:20
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eddyb	what distro are you even on?	18:20
DocScrutinizer05	openSuse	18:20
eddyb	and why don't you have 4.10?	18:20
eddyb	I'm also on suse and I can't find any pastebin applet	18:21
DocScrutinizer05	shrug	18:21
eddyb	DocScrutinizer05: sudo zypper se -s pastebin	18:21
DocScrutinizer05	widget, not apllet	18:21
DocScrutinizer05	\| perl-WWW-Pastebin-PastebinCom-Create \| Paket \| 0.003-2.1.1 \| x86_64 \| openSUSE-12.2-1.6	18:23
eddyb	last release is 12.3 btw. and I found the pastebin thing, damn translations	18:23
eddyb	DocScrutinizer05: in the settings for the pastebin thing, which servers does it use?	18:24
DocScrutinizer05	privatepaste and wstaw.org	18:25
eddyb	does it hang for text, images or both?	18:25
DocScrutinizer05	usually for images, but I think I have seen it hanging for text as well	18:26
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eddyb	try change it to imgur for images	18:26
DocScrutinizer05	meh	18:26
eddyb	(as a temporary fix)	18:26
DocScrutinizer05	I kinda hate imgur	18:26
eddyb	lol, why?	18:26
DocScrutinizer05	dunno, wrong color maybe	18:27
DocScrutinizer05	too many cookies?	18:27
DocScrutinizer05	nfc	18:27
eddyb	you should update anyway	18:29
DocScrutinizer05	I probably got better things to do than to update every 3 months	18:29
eddyb	(start yast, edit all repos urls to use 12.3 instead of 12.2, then run sudo zypper dup)	18:29
eddyb	DocScrutinizer05: 3? it's almost an year :P	18:29
eddyb	it takes like 5 minutes, then you just have to let it do its job	18:30
DocScrutinizer05	too bad, then it's almost a year I feel pissed about kmail7akonadi crap now, and fsckd up update by downgrading to a supposedly pre-akonadi kdepim version which turned out still isn't akonadi free	18:31
DocScrutinizer05	nuked my complete mail settings 3 times this year already	18:32
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eddyb	lol, you hate akonadi so much	18:32
DocScrutinizer05	yes, it's such a stinking POS	18:32
DocScrutinizer05	unbearable	18:32
eddyb	the worst that happened to me was shutting down in the middle of a distro upgrade, all I had to do is run sudo zypper dup from the console	18:33
Win7Mac	how can I edit the References here?: http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon_Foundation/Board_candidate_declarations_for_June_2013	18:33
eddyb	"Akonadi provides unique desktop-wide object identification and retrieval.[4] It functions as an extensible data storage for all PIM applications. In KDE 3 each PIM application had different data storage and handling methods, which led to several implementations of essentially the same features. Besides data storage, Akonadi has several other components including search, and a library (cache) for easy access and notification of data changes."	18:33
eddyb	I don't see how you can downgrade from that :P	18:33
DocScrutinizer05	oooh and kio-pop3, kio-imap \o/ :-S	18:34
DocScrutinizer05	yeah F U kde4	18:34
eddyb	what's wrong with anything you said :P?	18:35
DocScrutinizer05	let me give you a simple example: every now and then my kmail froze at random on writing new mails	18:35
eddyb	first of all, the reason kio has workers is to prevent such things	18:36
DocScrutinizer05	it turned out it been akonadi which in background tried to find the contacts or whatever to any mailaddr I wrote	18:36
eddyb	I can use kwrite while it's saving the file via sftp	18:36
eddyb	DocScrutinizer05: do you have nepomuk enabled?	18:36
eddyb	the search index thingie	18:36
DocScrutinizer05	and it froze since the resource been gone, probably due to sth fekkering mysql	18:36
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eddyb	oh, that's cool, it can index source code. then again, I have grep and I don't care about speed	18:37
DocScrutinizer05	anyway I learned I only need to restart akonadi (once I found out how to actually DO that), but now I have a console that's basically infested since ever since akonadiserver restart that console sees lots of bogus random diagnostic output	18:38
eddyb	2> /dev/null or something	18:38
eddyb	or use alt+f2 to do it	18:38
DocScrutinizer05	dude, the command returned	18:38
eddyb	yeah	18:38
eddyb	stdio is inherited	18:39
DocScrutinizer05	fuck akonadi	18:39
DocScrutinizer05	when I have a mail client then I want my mail to get handled inside the client, not by some cruft in daemonized mode in background	18:40
DocScrutinizer05	kmail1 been awesome	18:40
eddyb	akonadi just handles contacts, doesn't it?	18:40
DocScrutinizer05	kmail2 is a PITA	18:40
eddyb	maybe you should just update, with all those weirdly specific problems	18:41
eddyb	the phone sure takes its sweet time to charge after that backup	18:42
DocScrutinizer05	no, it obviously also does extensive checking of text you write to editor of a new mail, it also does indexing of all avalable mails (which been a few 100k of them on my old system, which made akonadi/kmail works for THREE days on importing them into kmail2, only to fiish with ZILCH mails imported)	18:42
eddyb	nepomuk does mail indexing	18:43
DocScrutinizer05	meh an akonadi frntend	18:43
eddyb	I generally have it disabled, I have too much crap around and I don't care about searching	18:43
DocScrutinizer05	same here	18:44
DocScrutinizer05	I DO NOT WANT akonadi, but you can't get rid of it	18:44
DocScrutinizer05	it's like KDE4's fsckng glibc	18:44
eddyb	no, that would be Qt (and it's meta compiler, I guess)	18:46
DocScrutinizer05	I meant for the ubiquity	18:47
DocScrutinizer05	you simply can't get KDE4 without akonadi	18:47
DocScrutinizer05	since everything is based or at least linked against it	18:48
eddyb	you can, but you can't use things like contacts without it	18:48
eddyb	DocScrutinizer05: if I disable the LED flashing during charging in maemo, does it apply when I charge without booting up?	18:48
DocScrutinizer05	rrrright	18:48
DocScrutinizer05	yes	18:48
eddyb	if I rm akonadi, these are going to be removed: akonadi kaddressbook kdepim4 kmail kontact korganizer	18:49
DocScrutinizer05	"without booting up" means "booting to ACT_DEAD" aka initlevel_$dunnowhat	18:49
eddyb	lol	18:49
eddyb	I hate weird stuff like that	18:50
eddyb	and the whole 7 levels of bootloaders	18:50
DocScrutinizer05	you basically can't avoid booting when charging	18:50
eddyb	it's okay, I'll wait for it to finish charging, again	18:50
DocScrutinizer05	eddyb: exactly	18:50
DocScrutinizer05	(remove akonadi)	18:50
DocScrutinizer05	which is what I did	18:50
eddyb	libakonadi4 does seem to be used by virtually everything, but I think it's just the client	18:51
DocScrutinizer05	then I installed an older supposedly akonadi-free version of kdepim	18:51
DocScrutinizer05	and since then of course no more updates	18:51
eddyb	I think you hate akonadi for related bugs	18:52
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DocScrutinizer05	no, basicaly I hate it for the concept	18:52
DocScrutinizer05	but also for using mysql	18:52
eddyb	so you prefer the code in akonadi to be duplicated in kaddressbook kmail kontact korganizer?	18:52
DocScrutinizer05	and for bringing my system down on its knees	18:53
DocScrutinizer05	yes	18:53
eddyb	DocScrutinizer05: you can use MySQL, SQLite or PostgreSQL	18:53
DocScrutinizer05	in kde3 kpim1 those 4 apps were nicely integrated and had no need for friggin akonadi	18:54
DocScrutinizer05	and it doesn't make a difference to me which friggin sql-db my mailer needs to run, I expect it to work without any such cruft	18:54
eddyb	then how do you want it to save contacts, mails, and whatnot?	18:55
DocScrutinizer05	in vcards, like it's been done since ages?	18:55
DocScrutinizer05	and in maildirs, for the mails	18:55
eddyb	oh. I think akonadi automatically imports vcards and maildirs	18:55
DocScrutinizer05	fsckoff akonadi, I don't need you	18:56
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eddyb	it's really just a convenience thing, for some reason it's broken for you :/	18:56
DocScrutinizer05	google for it, it's broken for 40% of this globe	18:56
eddyb	I couldn't find anything newer than kde4.5	18:57
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DocScrutinizer05	akonadi shit had its first chance end of last year, and 2nd chance in january (iirc), it made me lose all my mails 2 times, all my some60 filter rules, and kicked me out of business for days or even weeks, when I was absolutely depending on my mail archive to manage council and maemo.org infra migration	19:01
eddyb	how the heck did you manage that?	19:02
DocScrutinizer05	no go get lost and die in a corner where nobody notices!	19:02
eddyb	I had this laptop up for ~36h, and mysqld (the one used by akonadi) has 38 seconds of runtime and only 20MB used	19:02
DocScrutinizer05	well, maybe you don't have a mail archive with 300+ k of mails	19:03
DocScrutinizer05	I mean mails, not bytes	19:03
eddyb	anyway... it charged. I think I'll use yast's fs tool to format the home partition	19:04
DocScrutinizer05	and no, this doesn't include the spam folder	19:04
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eddyb	I hope default format settings work for N900	19:10
DocScrutinizer05	eddyb: I tried to import my maildir into kdepim/kmail2, it was stupid enough to spamcheck (I guess) each imported mail which prought it down to a rate of 2..8 mails/s import speed. Go figue how I felt watching this with the knowledge that there are 300,000 mails to go	19:11
eddyb	lol	19:12
eddyb	stop it, clean up, do it again with better settings	19:12
DocScrutinizer05	s/pro/bro/	19:12
infobot	DocScrutinizer05 meant: eddyb: I tried to import my maildir into kdepim/kmail2, it was stupid enough to spamcheck (I guess) each imported mail which brought it down to a rate of 2..8 mails/s import speed. Go figue how I felt watching this with the knowledge that there are 300,00...	19:12
DocScrutinizer05	better settings?	19:13
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eddyb	you said you enabled spamcheck for emails not in your original spam box	19:14
DocScrutinizer05	no, I didn't enable anything	19:14
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eddyb	ah, it not I	19:14
DocScrutinizer05	there's nothing you could en/dis-able during import	19:14
eddyb	there's no way mysql can be that slow	19:14
eddyb	the deed is done, time to flash combined	19:15
DocScrutinizer05	:-)	19:15
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chem\|st	Win7Mac: done	19:24
DocScrutinizer05	chem\|st: \o/	19:25
Win7Mac	Aw... great!	19:25
DocScrutinizer05	where is it? tmo default theme right side?	19:26
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Win7Mac	the voting site it leads to says "Starting 2013-06-20 23:59:59 UTC" - wrong, it's 2013-06-21	19:28
Win7Mac	DocS, yep	19:28
Win7Mac	Woody14619, please correct the date on voting page	19:31
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eddyb	flashing, it's going smooth :D	19:34
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eddyb	booting into maemo	19:36
eddyb	IIRC it takes a while	19:37
eddyb	I forgot it vibrates on touch and it makes sounds :)))	19:38
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DocScrutinizer05	Win7Mac: hmm?	19:40
eddyb	DocScrutinizer05: thanks for the help :D	19:40
eddyb	it looks like my empty /home partition worked	19:40
DocScrutinizer05	:-)	19:41
sixwheeledbeast	Win7Mac: are you here?	19:41
Win7Mac	yeah	19:41
eddyb	I have all the default applets and crap	19:41
sixwheeledbeast	wiki question what do you want to do?	19:41
iDont	DocScrutinizer05, >>oooh, while bashing messybox: just occurs to me that messybox-power most likely will come with additional new conflicts to stuff that sane people already installed on their system from clean core utils. So including messybox-power will break update-ability of CSSU for all those who have stuff like find-utils or swapon or whatever installed in their system<< for this and some other reasons, busybox-power creates it's symlinks in	19:41
iDont	postinst. All created symlinks are written out to a file. Upon prerm, busybox-power iterates through this list, checks whether they're still symlinks. If they are _and_ still point to /bin/busybox, they will get cleaned up.	19:41
iDont	Just wanted to clear that up :)	19:42
iDont	also see: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=busybox-power;a=blob;f=debian/busybox-power.postinst;h=da84ce5739f60791e90aa3f354c7daae6f442b5a;hb=HEAD#l113	19:42
Win7Mac	sixwheeledbeast, I can't edit References on http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon_Foundation/Board_candidate_declarations_for_June_2013	19:43
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DocScrutinizer05	iDont: that doesn't help for busybox not installing, due to conflicts, when something other than busybox provides swapon or whatever, right?	19:44
sixwheeledbeast	Win7Mac: you can	19:44
sixwheeledbeast	you just need to be told how :)	19:45
Win7Mac	ah, I seem to get an idea...	19:45
iDont	DocScrutinizer05: well, since the symlinks are created in postinst, dpkg won't know they belong to busybox-power and will happily overwrite them when installing core utils	19:45
sixwheeledbeast	Win7Mac: this is a reference markup	19:45
Win7Mac	just realized it	19:46
DocScrutinizer05	errr, so busybox-power doesn't 'PROVIDE' any of the extended capabilities it gets installed for?	19:46
sixwheeledbeast	so <ref>[http://link linkname]</ref> in the top part and it will automatically add the reference at the bottom.	19:46
sixwheeledbeast	Win7Mac:^^^	19:46
DocScrutinizer05	iDont: and if it doesn't, then how does it work?	19:47
sixwheeledbeast	Win7Mac: I have just done Jaffa's link	19:47
Win7Mac	sixwheeledbeast, you finished editing, so I can put my ref?	19:47
sixwheeledbeast	yep, also need to find fw's. have you send yours to ML?	19:48
iDont	DocScrutinizer05, AFAICR it should work, but I could double check if you want?	19:48
DocScrutinizer05	iDont: and when it actually does 'provide' then apt/dpkg should either remove the other already installed package that also provides same capability, or rather installation of busybox-power will fail due to conflicts	19:48
Win7Mac	sixwheeledbeast, yes. Please see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1352011#post1352011	19:50
iDont	DocScrutinizer05: busybox-power explicitly doesn't 'provide' anything at all, as that would indeed break quite some stuff	19:50
DocScrutinizer05	iDont: look, to install proper procps I already have to accept it breaks my system in a way that forbids further updates, since procps conflicts with normal busybox	19:50
iDont	busybox-power doesn't worsen anything at all, as it: 1) doesn't 'provide' anything, 2) only creates symlinks to missing utils, and 3) only cleans those up if they're still valid	19:52
DocScrutinizer05	Win7Mac: what's that stuff with wrong date of elections?	19:53
iDont	you can mix: installing core utils, remove core utils, install busybox-power, and remove busybox-power in any way possible	19:53
iDont	without breaking your system	19:53
iDont	(that is, if you haven't introduces any boot-time dependency on busybox-power yourself ofcourse :-)	19:53
Win7Mac	DocScrutinizer05: http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Community_Council/Council_election_Q2_2013	19:54
DocScrutinizer05	that sounds nice	19:54
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DocScrutinizer05	Win7Mac: mhm	19:54
Win7Mac	all times 23:59 UTC	19:55
Win7Mac	banner says 22-28...	19:55
DocScrutinizer05	Win7Mac: that's all ok	19:55
DocScrutinizer05	>>All deadlines are set at 23:59 UTC.<<	19:56
DocScrutinizer05	chem\|st decided to move some deadlines 1min into the future	19:56
Win7Mac	but voting page says Starting 2013-06-20 23:59:59 UTC: http://maemo.org/vote/	19:57
DocScrutinizer05	which makes 21.6. 23:59 -> 22.6. 00:00	19:57
Win7Mac	I know	19:57
DocScrutinizer05	sigh, then point me to the page that's incorrect, instead letting me check the correct pages, eh?	19:57
Win7Mac	I did: http://maemo.org/vote/	19:58
DocScrutinizer05	yeah, now	19:58
iDont	DocScrutinizer05: I know you don't like busybox-power and that's absolutely fine by me. As I've said to you before, I do my very best to make the package as safe as possible. Please do not hesitate to let me know of any concerns you might have about it. But until some valid problem arises, me reading some of your statements regarding busybox-power on IRC really disheartens me	20:00
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iDont	Anyway, just wanted to get that off my chest. I got to go now, saturday :)	20:00
iDont	bye!	20:00
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Win7Mac	DocScrutinizer05: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-06-15.log.html#t2013-06-15T19:28:13	20:01
DocScrutinizer05	c'mon do you think I gonna fix stuff on maemo.org while following some chanlog link you post here??	20:02
Win7Mac	err, no. Sorry.	20:03
Win7Mac	I thought "the voting page" would be clear	20:03
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DocScrutinizer05	iDont: (for the chanlog) I think your recent explanation makes me like busybox power a whole lot more. Sorry for any bad feeling my ranting might cause at your side, it's for sure not meant to discourage you or to cause bad feelings. I'm just concerned about Joe Average user and his maemo device. Seems B-P approaching a state where any concerns against including it to CSSU-T need a re-evaluation	20:05
DocScrutinizer05	Win7Mac: no, it's a pretty fuzzy term	20:06
Win7Mac	ok, then sorry again	20:06
DocScrutinizer05	I have ~15 "voting pages2 open on my desktop right now	20:07
divVerent	DocScrutinizer05: german layout detected :)	20:09
divVerent	18:52:31 iDont \| busybox-power doesn't worsen anything at all, as it: 1) doesn't 'provide' anything, 2) only creates symlinks to missing utils, and 3) only cleans those up if they're still valid	20:10
divVerent	very small issue:	20:10
divVerent	1. install busybox-power	20:11
divVerent	2. install swapon	20:11
divVerent	3. remove swapon	20:11
divVerent	where does /sbin/swapon point to? :)	20:11
divVerent	basically this means that even if CSSU included busybox-power, I'd be somewhat tending towards NOT depending on it for boot process	20:11
divVerent	(or always calling these extra tools like "busybox swapon ..."\|	20:12
divVerent	)	20:12
sixwheeledbeast	Win7Mac: fixed http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon_Foundation/Board_candidate_declarations_for_June_2013 but IMO they should be linking to mailing list.	20:17
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DocScrutinizer05	Win7Mac: fixed "voting page"	20:22
Win7Mac	thanks sixwheeledbeast! thanks DocScrutinizer05!	20:22
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DocScrutinizer05	(soembody needs to add the other 5 candidates before 21st)	20:22
Win7Mac	i can't. 5?	20:23
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DocScrutinizer05	woody already added himself	20:34
DocScrutinizer05	when he created that vote	20:34
DocScrutinizer05	err election?	20:34
DocScrutinizer05	http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/15/plasma-desktoptm3743.png	20:35
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Win7Mac	ah ok	20:40
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ron0062000	how can i upgrade to pr 1.3 with new n900	22:50
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freemangordon	ron0062000: you'd better flash	23:10
ron0062000	is that the only way ?	23:10
freemangordon	~flashing	23:10
infobot	rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	23:10
freemangordon	ron0062000: no, but it is better IMO	23:10
ron0062000	i wish i know how	23:11
freemangordon	ron0062000: the other option is to set the device clock to something like... Jauary 2011	23:12
freemangordon	ron0062000: see wiki ^^^	23:12
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ron0062000	Negri has new N900	23:14
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