IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2013-06-14

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sixwheeledbeast^	~moo	00:11
infobot	mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.	00:11
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sixwheeledbeast^	infobot? o/	00:29
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xavinux	Hi people, can someone tell me how can I contribute with the wazapp project please?	00:44
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DocScrutinizer05	ach noeee!	00:52
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DocScrutinizer05	resurrect, bot!	02:01
DocScrutinizer05	AWAKE!	02:02
DocScrutinizer05	WAKE UUUUP!	02:02
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freemangordon	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opU1urLhw50	02:02
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freemangordon	cheers :)	02:03
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DocScrutinizer05	~cheers	02:09
infobot	happy christmahanakwanzakuh!	02:09
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DocScrutinizer05	apt-get moo -- AWESOME	02:11
DocScrutinizer05	(works even on N900)	02:11
DocScrutinizer05	~factinfo moo	02:12
infobot	moo -- created by mgeary <n=mgeary@166.70.44.49> at Fri Sep 28 15:18:07 2007 (2085 days); last modified at Thu Apr 18 20:21:06 2013 by cirdan!~chris@c-68-45-49-242.hsd1.nj.comcast.net; it has been requested 274 times, last by sixwheeledbeast^, 2h 39s ago.	02:12
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: you don't need the "-- AWESOME" part	02:13
freemangordon	on n900 at least	02:13
DocScrutinizer05	lol	02:13
sixwheeledbeast^	do you mind some people are trying to sleep :P	02:13
freemangordon	yep	02:13
freemangordon	no sleep for them :P	02:13
freemangordon	if I am AWAKE... :D	02:14
DocScrutinizer05	BUUUG	02:14
DocScrutinizer05	apt-get -qq moo	02:14
DocScrutinizer05	expected: no output	02:15
freemangordon	I really hate that sully has lost his voice just before the concert here :(	02:15
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xavinux	Hi people which is the better way to program apps for N9 with python, PyQt or PySide?	02:16
DocScrutinizer05	hmmmm	02:17
freemangordon	xavinux: it makes no difference, all of them will be buggy	02:17
DocScrutinizer05	hehehe	02:17
DocScrutinizer05	/topic	02:17
freemangordon	xavinux: but well, just in case, ask on #harmattan	02:17
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freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: well, a couple of jacks :D	02:18
DocScrutinizer05	not that we hate N9 here, it's just... they know better over there	02:18
xavinux	ok thank you	02:18
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GI_Jack	anyone else psyched fore the jolla mobile phone?	02:19
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GI_Jack	or do you think they won't ship or something	02:19
DocScrutinizer05	depends on your definition of psyche	02:19
DocScrutinizer05	I'm sure they will ship	02:20
DocScrutinizer05	just when	02:20
DocScrutinizer05	and what	02:20
GI_Jack	after the n950 seeing is believing	02:20
GI_Jack	well	02:20
DocScrutinizer05	is not really defined yet	02:20
GI_Jack	do you think we'll see one by year's end	02:20
DocScrutinizer05	hardly	02:20
GI_Jack	they got something on gsmarena	02:20
GI_Jack	http://www.gsmarena.com/jolla_jolla-5457.php	02:20
DocScrutinizer05	I mean: the said they want to ship end of year	02:21
freemangordon	GI_Jack: what about n950?	02:21
DocScrutinizer05	you don't think they step out of their way regarding that age old tradition to never keep schedules	02:21
GI_Jack	freemangordon, there isn't one in my pocket, thats what	02:21
freemangordon	you reaaly think this is the cherry on the top?	02:21
DocScrutinizer05	that's so popular in whole industry	02:21
freemangordon	GI_Jack: well, I have at least one, trust me, n900 goes circles around it :)	02:22
GI_Jack	wat?	02:22
DocScrutinizer05	SHHHH! I eventually wanna sell mine!	02:23
DocScrutinizer05	fool	02:23
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: oh, sorry	02:23
GI_Jack	the n900 is great except for two things 1) its a fucking brick 2) the software and hardware is starting to get dated to the point interoperbility is starting to lag	02:23
freemangordon	toldya, I am a little drunk :P	02:23
GI_Jack	kernel 2.6.28 is starting to get old, so is OpenSSL 0.9.8 whatever ver of gecko shipped with firefox 3.5	02:24
GI_Jack	glibc 2.5	02:24
freemangordon	GI_Jack: n950 is the next best thing after the sliced bread, DocScrutinizer05 has one to sale for 2000 EUR	02:24
DocScrutinizer05	guess what's happening to kernel of N950 ;-P	02:24
DocScrutinizer05	yeah, but only tonight	02:25
DocScrutinizer05	tomorrow I will sell it for 2500	02:25
GI_Jack	the 600 mhz single core cannot handle flash 10, versions of fennec past 8, or any replacements for flash	02:25
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DocScrutinizer05	orly?	02:25
freemangordon	GI_Jack: you sure?	02:25
GI_Jack	yes	02:25
freemangordon	cool	02:25
GI_Jack	there is a working compile for flash 10.1 for the n900	02:25
DocScrutinizer05	hand me some jack!	02:25
GI_Jack	it installs, and it runs, albiet too slow to use	02:26
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* freemangordon gives DocScrutinizer05 a bootle of Jack		02:26
freemangordon	bottle even :D	02:26
GI_Jack	fennic version 8 runs, but past that is too slow to really use	02:26
GI_Jack	I wonder if someone could port kernel 3.4	02:26
DocScrutinizer05	fennic? dashite	02:26
GI_Jack	yeah, what else are you gonna run, try making a modern version of microb?	02:27
DocScrutinizer05	fennec been slower than even plain FF on maemo 3 years ago	02:27
GI_Jack	whats going to run html5 on the n900	02:27
DocScrutinizer05	for me microB is modern enough	02:27
GI_Jack	for now, it doesn't do html5	02:28
DocScrutinizer05	no c'mon decide - html5 OR flash17	02:28
DocScrutinizer05	now even	02:28
DocScrutinizer05	I heard opera still runs fine	02:28
GI_Jack	modern version	02:29
GI_Jack	??	02:29
freemangordon	GI_Jack: yeah, make up your mind, HTML5 or flash	02:29
GI_Jack	both	02:29
DocScrutinizer05	and you maybe should test freemangordon's zumbified version of microB	02:29
freemangordon	GI_Jack: BTW ever heard of embedlite?	02:29
GI_Jack	no	02:29
GI_Jack	I'd rather have html5 if I had to pick	02:29
freemangordon	google of it	02:29
freemangordon	IPCLite is the other name	02:29
DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon: you know dat factoid?	02:30
freemangordon	~cssu-thumb	02:30
infobot	methinks cssu-thumb is <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597	02:30
freemangordon	:P	02:30
freemangordon	GI_Jack: I have n950, gave it to my GF and still using n900. Guess why	02:31
freemangordon	(besides the fact I love my GF)	02:31
rikanee	freemangordon: any complaints from her wrt the hwkb bug?	02:31
DocScrutinizer05	who wants to pet gorillas the whole day long? ;-P	02:31
freemangordon	rikanee: yep	02:32
freemangordon	and I flashed pr1.3 hoping the bug is resolved	02:32
freemangordon	no difference	02:32
DocScrutinizer05	hwkbd bug?	02:33
freemangordon	rikanee: I guess you mean the bug when you have the second letter un uppercase, ain't?	02:33
freemangordon	*in	02:33
* DocScrutinizer05 glares at his n950		02:33
rikanee	freemangordon: yep	02:33
DocScrutinizer05	LOL	02:33
GI_Jack	how do I switch from CSSU stable to CSSU thumb?	02:34
DocScrutinizer05	HAH :-D	02:34
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: if you type too fast (for the device), you have auto-cap acting not only on the first letter, but on the second and eve on the third	02:34
GI_Jack	is it as simple as following the link?	02:34
freemangordon	yep	02:34
freemangordon	GI_Jack: it is as simple as following the instructions	02:34
DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon: ok, no bother. I don't use fancy shit like auto-capitals	02:35
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GI_Jack	gonna try thumb	02:36
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: well, I guess you dont use your n950 too much	02:36
DocScrutinizer05	was the 1. Thing i switched off	02:36
GI_Jack	the best parts of the n900 came from the community some only after its been somewhat obsolete	02:36
DocScrutinizer05	indeed	02:36
freemangordon	otherwise you'll see that VKB is more usefull that HWKB	02:36
* DocScrutinizer05 blows off the dust		02:36
DocScrutinizer05	eeeew	02:36
freemangordon	HWKB on n950 has nothing to do with the one on n900	02:36
DocScrutinizer05	yep, true DAT	02:37
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freemangordon	not that it is bat, it is just too big	02:37
freemangordon	*bad	02:37
DocScrutinizer05	n950 kbd is amont the ... two worst kbds I ever got my claws on	02:37
freemangordon	or maybe one just need to be used to it, don;t know	02:37
freemangordon	*needs	02:37
DocScrutinizer05	no, it's a epic failure in ME	02:38
DocScrutinizer05	only kbd of eten glofiish M800 is worse	02:38
DocScrutinizer05	you have zilch feedback where the keys are	02:39
DocScrutinizer05	since all is flush in one plane	02:39
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: could be, my first device with full qwery is n900, so I am spoiled	02:39
freemangordon	shit	02:39
freemangordon	QWERTY	02:39
freemangordon	much better :D	02:39
DocScrutinizer05	ok, the m800 had not even gaps between the keys	02:39
DocScrutinizer05	but that's only marginally worse than n950	02:40
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: well, maybe if one use it for some time..., who knows	02:40
freemangordon	though I needed 1 day to feel comfortable on n900's KB	02:41
DocScrutinizer05	we had looong debates which kbd is better, n810 or n900. But there never been a debate about n950, it's plain crap	02:41
freemangordon	yeah :(	02:41
rikanee	the N900 keyboard felt perfect for my gorilla hands, imo.	02:42
robbiethe1st	I like the N900 KB	02:42
freemangordon	rikanee: what?	02:42
rikanee	just took some adjustment to get used to BlueArrow, but I could type pretty quickly on it.	02:42
freemangordon	aah, sorry	02:42
DocScrutinizer05	not to talk about hw kbd integration into HARM, I guess that hasn't really changed a lot since very first firmware. And why should it, since... nobody has a n950	02:42
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: I bet that if something works with HWKB it is by chance	02:43
rikanee	freemangordon: I was able to get a feel for the N900's HWKB pretty easily, but getting used to reach out to Blue Arrow was a bit hard	02:43
DocScrutinizer05	:nod:	02:43
freemangordon	rikanee: I just misread what you said	02:44
rikanee	freemangordon: aah.	02:44
DocScrutinizer05	I found the n810 kbd harder to handle in *that+ regard	02:44
* freemangordon already said he is a little drunk :)		02:44
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DocScrutinizer05	shhhh, don't give it away	02:45
rikanee	so, I assume everyone here can touch-type on the N900 ;)	02:45
freemangordon	:P	02:45
DocScrutinizer05	touch-type?	02:45
freemangordon	rikanee: yes	02:46
freemangordon	though we still lack good portrait VKB	02:46
rikanee	DocScrutinizer05: Open an X-Terminal, and mount a partition without looking at the device.	02:47
DocScrutinizer05	np ;-P	02:47
freemangordon	rikanee: impossible, everything is auto-mounted :P	02:47
DocScrutinizer05	sh-ctl-x	02:47
DocScrutinizer05	root	02:47
DocScrutinizer05	hfttfehs	02:47
DocScrutinizer05	mount /media/mmc	02:48
rikanee	freemangordon: oh, right, thanks to Pali's new ke-recv	02:48
freemangordon	yep	02:48
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: there is no /media/mmc :P	02:48
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DocScrutinizer05	not when you get a blacklist ;-D	02:48
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DocScrutinizer05	SIGH	02:49
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: but ofc. TW it won't work without a battery too	02:49
freemangordon	*BTW	02:49
DocScrutinizer05	yeah, and you can't mount the uSD upside down	02:50
freemangordon	:D	02:50
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: on a serious side, did merlin1991 make the new CSSU-T? with a fixed tinymail.	02:50
DocScrutinizer05	how much is an unused lumia800 on fleabay?	02:51
DocScrutinizer05	this brick annoys me now	02:51
merlin1991	freemangordon: I'm still awake, and still working, no cssu action yet :/	02:51
freemangordon	hmm?	02:51
freemangordon	merlin1991: ah, ok	02:51
freemangordon	merlin1991: working on the GF takes priority, I know :p	02:52
DocScrutinizer05	I got a hooker sitting on my desk ;-P	02:52
merlin1991	well the GF in this case is a buildscript for an arm project	02:52
DocScrutinizer05	shiny	02:52
merlin1991	great fun working on that ;)	02:52
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: wish you luck Mr Kane	02:52
GI_Jack	I am installing CSSU-Thumb, it wants to add the CSSU testing catalouge, is this neccary(I don't want testing)	02:52
freemangordon	GI_Jack: yes, it is.	02:53
DocScrutinizer05	and guess what, I wanna sell it	02:53
merlin1991	GI_Jack: thumb is ontop of testing, you won't get around testing if you want thumb	02:53
freemangordon	GI_Jack: read what is written there, it is not that much	02:53
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: you want to sell a hooker?!?	02:54
freemangordon	I thought you are an EE?	02:54
DocScrutinizer05	dang, it needs three cssu maintainers incl chief maintainer of cssu-t and chief of cssu-thumb to convince GI_Jack	02:54
DocScrutinizer05	<deep voice> I AM KNOWN BY MANY NAMES </deep voice>	02:55
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: well, we are just kidding him, we know he'll have his device bricked n about 20 minutes or so	02:56
GI_Jack	I am installing CSSU thumb now	02:56
freemangordon	10 minutes then	02:56
GI_Jack	still trying to find the right type of funk to put on the GSM modem to keep it working	02:56
DocScrutinizer05	ugh	02:57
freemangordon	funk?	02:57
DocScrutinizer05	pogo?	02:57
GI_Jack	in this case "glue"	02:57
* freemangordon asks google translate		02:57
DocScrutinizer05	lil steel springs are the trick	02:58
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: ooh, sissy	02:58
GI_Jack	DocScrutinizer05, half the trick	02:58
GI_Jack	there are steel springs in there new	02:58
GI_Jack	now	02:58
DocScrutinizer05	or maybe good elastic foam	02:58
GI_Jack	and they pop the shielding off with too much vibration	02:58
DocScrutinizer05	LOL	02:58
GI_Jack	springs held in with super glue	02:58
DocScrutinizer05	jack in the box	02:58
GI_Jack	otherwise they'd get knocked loose	02:59
DocScrutinizer05	sure	02:59
GI_Jack	with liquid rubber on top to prevent it from smacking the metal part of the body or making electrical contact	02:59
GI_Jack	seems to work alright	02:59
DocScrutinizer05	you probably should consider reflow	02:59
GI_Jack	but I think I am going to try and hold the sides down with liquid rubber, or mabey I'll get some RTV silcone gasket maker	02:59
GI_Jack	that stuff is awesome	02:59
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: BTW do you know if anyone had succesfully reflowed that?	02:59
GI_Jack	liquid qersome	02:59
GI_Jack	reflow as in? make a new one?	03:00
freemangordon	(GSM module)	03:00
DocScrutinizer05	~wiki reflow	03:00
DocScrutinizer05	damn bot!!!	03:00
DocScrutinizer05	hot air soldering	03:00
freemangordon	kill him. kill him with fire	03:00
DocScrutinizer05	seems its dead, jim!	03:00
GI_Jack	ahh	03:00
merlin1991	hm finally, my buildscript is taking form	03:01
DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon: actualy... when I come to think of it, not really	03:01
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: hmm, it could be IR i guess	03:01
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: yeah, my thoughts exact	03:01
DocScrutinizer05	but I already got a reflow station for the time I run into a n900 with cmt defect	03:02
freemangordon	merlin1991: wanna help. trust me, right now I can make a working script noone can grok, including me ;)	03:03
DocScrutinizer05	it just sounds too plausible to doubt it could work	03:03
merlin1991	freemangordon: it's already beyond being grokable	03:03
DocScrutinizer05	eeeeek it lives	03:03
freemangordon	merlin1991: ooh, nice. I like code like that	03:03
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DocScrutinizer05	that hooker suddenly started vibrating	03:04
merlin1991	it's written in python, and dynamically imports bits from everywhere and uses about every single syntax shortcut there is in python	03:04
merlin1991	I'm amazed it even works :D	03:04
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: turn off the bi red thing and she'll settle	03:04
freemangordon	*big	03:04
* freemangordon hates python, jave, basic... and all the other interpreter stuff		03:06
freemangordon	java even	03:06
merlin1991	I dunno I sort of like python, but php, basic, and other I don't :D	03:07
freemangordon	merlin1991: ever seen basic?!?	03:07
freemangordon	this shit is dead for the last 15 years!	03:07
merlin1991	well visual basic not the old old basic :D	03:07
freemangordon	aah	03:08
freemangordon	well, VB and basic are different kinds of beer	03:08
freemangordon	VB is compiled actually	03:09
merlin1991	true	03:10
merlin1991	but there is also vb script ;9	03:10
freemangordon	which is VB script, not VB :p	03:11
freemangordon	the same as JScript and Java	03:11
freemangordon	which reminds me...	03:12
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freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: how is rough humor tolerated here? Will I be banned?	03:12
freemangordon	however	03:13
GI_Jack	is there anyway you guys could make the software manage faster + less full of fail	03:14
freemangordon	GI_Jack: ofc no, we are paid to make it as much slow as we can	03:15
GI_Jack	figured as much, damn	03:15
freemangordon	and we are doing our best	03:16
freemangordon	if it is not slow enough, please file a bug	03:16
DocScrutinizer05	VBA	03:19
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DocScrutinizer05	and I actually had to use VB (and VBA) only 12 years ago	03:19
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freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: merlin1991: you know what is the similarity between Java and anal sex? The fact they are applicable for everyone doesn't make them something good.	03:20
DocScrutinizer05	I thought that's basic	03:20
freemangordon	no. it is about java	03:21
DocScrutinizer05	applicable for everyone?	03:21
freemangordon	basic has never been ported (afaik) on anything else but apple and 808x	03:21
DocScrutinizer05	you mean it can be done to everyone, not that everyone knows how to do it?	03:22
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: no, i men that you can fuck both men and wimen, the same way you can code Jave on win, linux, unix,...	03:23
freemangordon	*mean	03:23
freemangordon	shit	03:23
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GI_Jack	freemangordon, so your telling me, using java is a little like taking it up the ass?	03:23
freemangordon	guess it is time to have some sllep	03:23
DocScrutinizer05	hrrrhrrhrrr	03:23
freemangordon	GI_Jack: hmm, not exactly	03:23
DocScrutinizer05	I guess I actually have to find my chanop hat in the wardrobe	03:24
freemangordon	yeah :D	03:24
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: on the other hand.. I don;t see much of on-topic discussions	03:25
DocScrutinizer05	there are other giudelines I might have to consider	03:25
DocScrutinizer05	;-)	03:25
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DocScrutinizer05	but actually I'm too bored now, to consider anything except heading to TV	03:26
freemangordon	ok, I don't mind being kicked, I was supposed to be in bed 1 hour ago :D	03:26
DocScrutinizer05	infobot been faster than you	03:27
freemangordon	GI_Jack: what I meant is that the fact your java app is cross-platorm doesn't make it something good ;)	03:27
freemangordon	cross-platform even	03:28
GI_Jack	freemangordon, I was making a joke about the user experiance and security holes over the years	03:28
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GI_Jack	and my general opinion on java	03:29
freemangordon	GI_Jack: sorry, I missed that one, I already explained I was a little drunl	03:29
GI_Jack	awesome	03:29
freemangordon	drunk	03:29
GI_Jack	as soon as I leave work, me too	03:29
freemangordon	not a little anymore :D	03:29
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freemangordon	however, going to have some sleep, night guys	03:30
GI_Jack	g'night	03:30
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freemangordon	user_: vi, is that you?	03:34
freemangordon	hmm, sems like no	03:34
freemangordon	shit	03:34
DocScrutinizer05	dang, I think #debian has a ban on user* and on _ and __	03:34
freemangordon	anyway, I am out	03:34
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DocScrutinizer05	I guess I should set a mode +bbbb user user_ user__ user___ get a proper nick first!	03:37
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DocScrutinizer05	and +bbbb __ ___ ____ _____ your epeen is too eee	03:38
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GI_Jack	so I got cssu-thumbs installed	06:22
GI_Jack	this auto turn shit	06:22
GI_Jack	on the desktop	06:23
GI_Jack	what gives	06:23
GI_Jack	the accelerometer on the n900 is shitty as fuck and mine is miscalibrated	06:23
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ruskie	http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/06/an-open-of-course-letter-to-my-friend-the-nsa/	10:21
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ShadowJK	http://www.explosm.net/comics/3201/	10:23
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personDo	Do skype,yahoo other chat and social communication prog work 2 spoil muslims youth and spy 4 isreal&usa???????	10:46
personDo	do they record and analyse every word we type????????????	10:46
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DocScrutinizer05	when mr GI_Jack wouldn't rant'n'run, I would've pointed him to ~jrtools where he would've found the gconftool cmdline to stop that - admittely annoying - autorotate shit	11:35
DocScrutinizer05	and the misscalibration of accelerometer is an age old known effect that is only curable by a powerdown	11:36
DocScrutinizer05	in hindsight most probably caused by this brainfsck in KP that allowed concurrent access to I2C device since it removed/neutered systemwide device locking	11:39
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vi__	DocScrutinizer51: I just read your email to the mailing list about designing the GTA04 main PCB into N900 cases.	13:40
vi__	surely there must be some kind of legal repercussion for this kind of thing?	13:41
vi__	But a great idea none the less!	13:41
DocScrutinizer05	wouldn't know of any	13:41
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DocScrutinizer05	maybe we need to remove the NOKIA branding	13:42
vi__	It is an exciting possibility.	13:42
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DocScrutinizer05	yeah, but for how long?	14:02
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DocScrutinizer05	~wb	14:05
infobot	It's great to be back!	14:05
DocScrutinizer05	and byebye	14:07
DocScrutinizer05	~+status	14:08
infobot	Since Fri Jun 14 10:59:51 2013, there have been 0 modifications, 1 question, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1 command. I have been awake for 8m 44s this session, and currently reference 119071 factoids. I'm using about 18260 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1.98/0.09 child 0/0	14:08
DocScrutinizer05	wow, still alive	14:08
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: would you be able to resell n900 cases?	14:12
kerio	or would you have to only sell the board and let the user put it in the case?	14:12
DocScrutinizer05	I can't see why I can't resell cases that I purchased on ebay	14:13
kerio	with the board inside?	14:14
DocScrutinizer05	why not?	14:14
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DocScrutinizer05	they are not even made by Nokia, usually	14:14
DocScrutinizer05	as mentioned above, maybe we need to remove the "NOKIA" stamp on the bezel/frame	14:15
DocScrutinizer05	and the one on back cover	14:15
DocScrutinizer05	if it's not already NOKlA	14:16
DocScrutinizer05	(lower-case L)	14:16
DocScrutinizer05	;-)	14:16
DocScrutinizer05	honestly, I don't expect any problems	14:17
DocScrutinizer05	we're not selling a Nokia fake, we sell a custom made PCB built into a genuine Nokia case	14:18
DocScrutinizer05	clearly labeled and advertised as such	14:18
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DocScrutinizer05	byebye infobot	14:18
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: i want a n900 with 2gb of ram :3	14:19
kerio	will we be able to run fremantle on this hypothetical new board?	14:19
DocScrutinizer05	or even "custom OMAP4 PCB in a case labeled "NOKIA" - might be a fake, we don't know"	14:20
DocScrutinizer05	we may buy those cases in China, we may import it to EU, so why wouldn't we be allowed to resell them?	14:21
DocScrutinizer05	disassembled, assembled with whatever we like inside, or blended to dust	14:21
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vi__	kerio: fremantle, no. Not as such. Hildon, yes.	14:22
kerio	now i'm imagining the "will it blend?" guy blending a n900	14:22
DocScrutinizer05	remove the "NOKIA" printing and advertise it as "amazingly similar to N900"	14:22
kerio	"hey look, it still has pretty much the same amount of ram"	14:23
vi__	'similar yet legally distinct'.	14:23
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DocScrutinizer05	We might find a lawyer that looks into it, but I don't expect any problems, particularly not when not selling in the 5 to 6 digit quantity	14:25
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DocScrutinizer05	what worries me way more is availability of the ME birdseed like antennae/aerials, buttons, the friggin flex connector board with all the stuff like proximity sensor, frontcam etc on it (or if we could assemble/build such stuff ourselves), Stylus, matching main camera module, etc pp	14:29
kerio	are there even 5 digits' worth of N900 users?	14:29
DocScrutinizer05	right now it seems like yes	14:29
rikanee	DocScrutinizer05: why not mold new covers in cheap-ass China factories?	14:30
DocScrutinizer05	we didn't do recent checks of repo VM accesslogs, but last numbers been ~30k active devices	14:30
kerio	you'd need one in three users to buy one, to justify a 10k board production	14:30
DocScrutinizer05	rikanee: the molds for such stuff cost you an arm and a leg	14:30
vi__	rikanee: because you may as well mould your own design then.	14:30
rikanee	ah.	14:30
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: sell board, distribute 3d-printable design for case	14:31
rikanee	so, is this a GTA04-style drop in board, or are you actually producing N900+1's?	14:31
DocScrutinizer05	I seem to recall 6 digit numbers, maybe NTD	14:31
vi__	rikanee: It is just an idea.	14:31
rikanee	ah.	14:31
kerio	wouldn't the actual GTA04 kinda work already?	14:31
DocScrutinizer05	yes, kinda	14:31
DocScrutinizer05	in N900 you mean?	14:31
kerio	yeah	14:32
DocScrutinizer05	yep	14:32
kerio	i assume it works well in the GTA02	14:32
DocScrutinizer05	it's somewhat similar	14:32
kerio	because it's made for that specific purpose	14:32
DocScrutinizer05	well, the BOM of GTA04 is way more like N900 than like gta02	14:32
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DocScrutinizer05	e.g they switched to OMAP (or a similar drop in replacement)	14:33
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DocScrutinizer05	while GTA02 had Samsung S3?2442	14:33
DocScrutinizer05	which had no awesome SR technology and no zeroclock	14:34
SpeedEvil	I found that the nook simple touch has a similar processor to the n900. I'm not sure if it's actually drop in.	14:35
DocScrutinizer05	Raster and me always bitched about that nonsense to go into suspend on a embedded device	14:35
SpeedEvil	Woo - 800MHz!	14:35
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rikanee	SpeedEvil: 34/35/36xx mobile processors iirc all have the same package	14:36
SpeedEvil	Still 256M though	14:36
DocScrutinizer05	I dunno if those oneNAND provide POP with more, for the 3450	14:37
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: suspend on a phone could kinda work i guess	14:37
rikanee	SpeedEvil, yup, you'll need to install new OneNAND, and flash some sort of bootloader	14:37
kerio	as long as you have something waking it up for calls	14:37
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: it doesn't	14:37
DocScrutinizer05	resume takes way too long	14:37
kerio	hm	14:37
rikanee	DocScrutinizer05: 512MB OneNAND's available for the OMAP3, see N9	14:38
rikanee	IIRC Samsung has them up to 2GB	14:38
DocScrutinizer05	rikanee: yes, for the 36xx	14:38
SpeedEvil	rikanee: The one in the NST boots from USB, or emmc. I don't know if this would work if the pinstraps are wrong	14:39
DocScrutinizer05	obviously not	14:39
rikanee	isn't the boot config burned-in on the N900?	14:40
DocScrutinizer05	but what's NST?	14:40
DocScrutinizer05	no	14:40
rikanee	either that, or OneNAND was the first priority boot device	14:40
DocScrutinizer05	hardwired	14:40
rikanee	DocScrutinizer05: ah. I remember reading on some TI page about being able to use secondary boot loader from anywhere you wanted	14:41
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer05: Nook simple touch.	14:41
DocScrutinizer05	yep	14:41
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SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer05: It's a e-ink reader that is being sold cheaply in various countries.	14:41
rikanee	(but burnable by manufacturer)	14:41
DocScrutinizer05	SpeedEvil: thanks	14:41
SpeedEvil	The UK, for £29	14:41
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SpeedEvil	(I am not of course serious about CPU upgrades, I just happened to notice the processor)	14:41
DocScrutinizer05	rikanee: well, there's a ROMBL in 3450 that checks two bootstrap pins and those decide where it boots from	14:42
rikanee	DocScrutinizer05: ooh, there we go.	14:42
DocScrutinizer05	(maybe 3)	14:43
SpeedEvil	I guess for certain pinstraps, if you were reworking, you could not populate the balls	14:43
DocScrutinizer05	sure, you could drill out the pads, or whatever	14:44
SpeedEvil	I was meaning pull off a ball before reflow	14:44
DocScrutinizer05	but if I'm not mistaken, even N900 should check MMC as well during boot	14:44
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rikanee	DocScrutinizer05: so we could install NOLO/X-Loader to MMC?	14:47
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DocScrutinizer05	err, I'm just checking if the lack of proper caffeine made me dream and I told BS	14:50
DocScrutinizer05	for example that chip is called 3430, not 3450	14:51
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DocScrutinizer05	and I can't find the pinstraps	14:52
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DocScrutinizer05	"SYS_BOOT*"?	14:54
DocScrutinizer05	SpeedEvil: can you help me out?	14:56
DocScrutinizer05	might actually be that EFUSE thing or whatsitcalled	14:57
DocScrutinizer05	rikanee: I thought we could, yes	14:57
DocScrutinizer05	rikanee: but I also thought I could get some coffee and proper breakfast today	14:58
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DocScrutinizer05	OMAP3515.03_Applications_Processor___spruf98D_10-2009.pdf___focus.ti.com\\lit\\ug\\spruf98d\\spruf98d.pdf p.854, CONTROL_IVA2_BOOTMOD IVA2.2 boot mode register	15:02
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DocScrutinizer05	The CONTROL.CONTROL_IVA2_BOOTMOD register defines the IVA2 boot mode and drives the	15:03
DocScrutinizer05	IVA2_BOOTMOD[3:0] signals out from the control block to the IVA2.2 subsystem. Based on the value of	15:03
DocScrutinizer05	IVA2_BOOTMOD[3:0], the ROM boot loader executes different boot modes of IVA2.2.	15:03
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DocScrutinizer05	>>	15:08
DocScrutinizer05	SYSBOOT Pins	15:08
DocScrutinizer05	The internal ROM Code can attempt to boot from several different peripheral and memory devices, including, but not limited to: Serial (UART3), SD Card, eMMC, NAND, and USB. The order in which these devices are searched for a valid first-stage booting image (x-loader) is determine by a set of GPIO configuration pins referred to as SYSBOOT. The TRM includes a table that shows the booting device list that each combination of the SYSBOOT	15:08
DocScrutinizer05	pins refers to.	15:08
DocScrutinizer05	<<	15:08
SpeedEvil	DocScrutinizer05: sorry, on mobile, reading data sheets isn't really practical	15:09
DocScrutinizer05	SpeedEvil: seems I found it :-)	15:10
SpeedEvil	:-)	15:10
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DocScrutinizer05	>>The SYSBOOT value can be read from physical address 0x480022f0, either using JTAG, or if you have linux running, use devmem2:<< http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Bootloader_Project	15:11
DocScrutinizer05	devmem2 0x480022f0 b	15:12
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DocScrutinizer05	I wish I had devmem2 binary on my device	15:13
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DocScrutinizer05	ugh, seems messybox-powder has devmem	15:15
DocScrutinizer05	and n900-android has devmem2	15:17
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DocScrutinizer05	rikanee: in focus.ti.com\\lit\\ug\\spruf98d\\spruf98d.pdf on page 3492, 25.4.1.1 BOOTING TYPES you find details how to boot from e.g. uSD	15:26
DocScrutinizer05	> >The ROM code detects whether the device should download software from a peripheral interface (H SUSB or UART 3) by using the sys_boot pin configuration. This mechanism encompasses initial flashing i nproduction (external memory is empty) and reflashing in service (external memory is alread yprogrammed) .Table 25-6 lists the pin multiplexing according to boot peripheral.<<	15:28
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GeneralAntilles	Ticking down the last hours for nominations	16:00
DocScrutinizer05	p.3491: Table 25-5. Booting Configuration Pins after a Warm Reset	16:01
DocScrutinizer05	GeneralAntilles: do you think we'll find the 4th victim?	16:02
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GeneralAntilles	I tried cajoling people on Twitter last night. No luck so far.	16:12
DocScrutinizer05	ooops - Table 25-4. Peripheral Booting Configuration Pins after POR ; is the right one	16:15
GeneralAntilles	Not only has public perception of HiFo been poisoned, but nobody wants to be on the board for similar reasons.	16:18
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DocScrutinizer05	yep	16:18
DocScrutinizer05	:-S	16:18
DocScrutinizer05	while the candidates so far would be a quite nice company	16:19
DocScrutinizer05	everybody should be happy to cooperate with you guys who already nominated	16:19
GeneralAntilles	What are the threshold numbers for the candidate counts?	16:20
DocScrutinizer05	I honestly can't put more on my plate	16:20
DocScrutinizer05	4, 6, 9	16:20
GeneralAntilles	I can't get the by-laws PDF to come up.	16:21
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DocScrutinizer05	for, 3, 5, 7	16:21
GeneralAntilles	No, I don't think you should. We need more people, not more tasks fort the same number of people.	16:21
DocScrutinizer05	yes	16:21
DocScrutinizer05	ask win7mac! :-)	16:23
DocScrutinizer05	he seems very eager to help community	16:24
DocScrutinizer05	also I think tmo threads with more than 5 posts lack interest even with new follow-up posts on them. If you want to reach people on tmo, you actually need to start a new thread, sad but true	16:27
DocScrutinizer05	I wonder where's the whole "HARM folks"	16:27
DocScrutinizer05	do they think HiFo is irrelevant for them?	16:28
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rikanee	DocScrutinizer05: I've never really seen a lot of new people from HARM around, though.	16:34
rikanee	most of the people I know here on M.O are Fremantle dudes.	16:34
tissi	hey, i'm trying to make the "swap on microsd" work	16:34
tissi	but i cant extract the swapoff binary outta the debian mount package	16:35
tissi	no permission	16:35
rikanee	tissi, try installing busybox-power	16:35
tissi	you telling me to replace essential system binaries?	16:36
tissi	alright lets do it	16:36
GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer05, probably burnt out from MeeGo.	16:36
DocScrutinizer05	tissi: well, that's also my concern :-)	16:37
DocScrutinizer05	tissi: nevertheless allegedly messybox-pova 'works'	16:37
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tissi	"it just werks" -ceo of windows foundation, richard stallman (r.i.p)	16:39
DocScrutinizer05	uh? That RMS?	16:39
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tissi	uh oh	16:44
tissi	still cant extract data.tar.gz	16:44
tissi	long list of operations not permitted	16:44
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rikanee	tissi: the stock tar xvzf doesn't work?	16:46
tissi	uh	16:47
tissi	no, doesn't seem like that	16:47
rikanee	probably a wrongly-formed tarball, likely with different-encoding filenames	16:47
rikanee	try tar-gnu.	16:48
tissi	yeah i heard something about symlinks and filesystems and stuff when i googled this a while ago	16:48
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tissi	wait what tar-gnu?	16:48
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tissi	is this a package i need to install?	16:49
rikanee	tissi, yep.	16:50
tissi	"tar-gnu is already the latest version"	16:51
DocScrutinizer05	err, you're not extracting to vfat fs maybe?	16:53
tissi	the deb file is at /home/user/MyDocs/deb and i'm trying to extract in the same location	16:53
till	or corrupted file system?	16:54
tissi	impussibre	16:54
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DocScrutinizer05	that location is vfat and thus doesn't support posix/unix file permissions	16:54
tissi	just flashed the whole thing 2 days ago	16:54
tissi	alright, tell me what to do	16:54
DocScrutinizer05	neither links	16:54
DocScrutinizer05	well, I dunno what exactly you try to do	16:55
tissi	"Swap priorities	16:55
tissi	In order to utilize both swap partitions to balance the I/O load (striping), they should have the same priority. The /bin/swapon command shipped with Maemo is the busybox version that does not support -p option. If you don't have Easy Debian environment installed, download the stock Debian mount package for the armel architecture and extract (-x) the swapon binary from it, and copy it somewhere e.g. /sbin/s	16:55
tissi	wapon.debian.	16:55
tissi	"	16:55
tissi	i'm at the part where i'm extracting the swapon and swapoff binaries	16:55
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DocScrutinizer05	cd; mkdir extract; cd extract; tar -xvzf /home/user/MyDocs/deb/foobar.tgz swapon	16:58
DocScrutinizer05	sth like that	16:58
DocScrutinizer05	fix the tar cmd parameters to match your needs	16:58
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tissi	you did it	17:00
tissi	thanx frien	17:00
DocScrutinizer05	yw	17:00
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tissi	say, you know a lot of stuff about gnu/linux	17:03
tissi	ever used crunchbang?	17:03
DocScrutinizer05	nope	17:05
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tissi	ugh.	17:11
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DocScrutinizer05	I actually never heard of it	17:23
DocScrutinizer05	sorry	17:23
tissi	np	17:25
BCMM	DocScrutinizer05: afaik, it's debian for people that can't install debian	17:27
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fw190	If I got it correct I could stand in the elections just so that we have 4 and can vote. How to nominate myself?	17:30
DocScrutinizer05	just visited their website	17:30
DocScrutinizer05	fw190: you need to post your self-nomination to the maemo-community ML	17:31
DocScrutinizer05	you _should_ post it to other places like tmo as well	17:31
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DocScrutinizer05	fw190: do you know your karma as of end of last year? >100?	17:33
fw190	I just sent a message to maemo-community@maemo.org	17:34
fw190	last time I had something like 160	17:34
DocScrutinizer05	great! :-D	17:36
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fw190	Your mail to 'maemo-community' with the subject	17:37
fw190	HiFo election	17:37
fw190	Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.	17:37
DocScrutinizer05	umm, yeah that happens. When you haven't registered to that ML	17:38
DocScrutinizer05	...and I have no clue who's moderator and how that moderator would approve a mail	17:38
fw190	hmm then I have to sign in to mailing list	17:39
DocScrutinizer05	just c&p the mail to tmo, and you're fine. Or even better, add yourself to http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon_Foundation/Board_candidate_declarations_for_June_2013	17:39
fw190	ok	17:41
fw190	I edited the message	17:41
fw190	and wil post on the wiki	17:41
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fw190	Damn	17:48
fw190	My karma shows 18	17:48
fw190	now I do not understand anything	17:48
GeneralAntilles	Calc is broken	17:49
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DocScrutinizer05	fw190: don't worry. If your karma been >100 last year then all ok	17:58
DocScrutinizer05	fw190 168	17:59
DocScrutinizer05	verified	17:59
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DocScrutinizer05	officially	17:59
DocScrutinizer05	forget your karma	17:59
GeneralAntilles	Somebody want to call khm's karma?	18:00
fw190	yeah so now we hve 4 and we can vote - splendid ;)	18:01
DocScrutinizer05	GeneralAntilles: nonexistent	18:02
DocScrutinizer05	[2013-06-12 02:50:24] <DocScrutinizer05> I don't think khm has sufficient karma	18:03
DocScrutinizer05	[2013-06-12 02:59:55] <DocScrutinizer05> in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1270698&postcount=59 http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=28751&d=1348332102 I can't spot maier, khm, or karmaflux	18:03
DocScrutinizer05	[2013-06-12 03:01:26] <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.org/profile/view/karmaflux/ gives karma:29	18:03
DocScrutinizer05	[2013-06-12 03:03:33] <DocScrutinizer05> if somebody thinks we need to calculate current karma manually since it might result in >100 when we do, please contact woody about it, since he knows what's missing currently in karma calculation and can add those values manually	18:03
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DocScrutinizer05	iirc it's just wikimendia edits and tmo posts and thanks that are missing	18:07
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DocScrutinizer05	but looking at your karma you can tell what's missing and calculate manually from the values shown in wiki resp tmo	18:08
DocScrutinizer05	the algo is linked form the page with your karma iirc	18:08
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DocScrutinizer05	also I haven't seem khm for quite a while	18:09
DocScrutinizer05	I'm not even sure if he keeps his nomination up	18:10
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* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if eligibility-candidates rules are maybe missing a paragraph about cooperation of candidate being mandatory to have the candidate running		18:12
DocScrutinizer05	I mean, it's hard to figure how you could self-nominate 12 weeks (made up value) before elections, not even provide any self declaration or mandatory data, and then expect to show up on the ballots	18:14
DocScrutinizer05	and come after elections and ask "so am I elected now?"	18:15
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GeneralAntilles	Yeah, missed two nomination periods.	18:16
DocScrutinizer05	so I consider that a non-nomination	18:17
DocScrutinizer05	besides the probably missing karma	18:18
fw190	DocScrutinizer05: you are talking about me or khm? I got lost ;)	18:18
DocScrutinizer05	khm	18:18
fw190	ahhhh ok	18:18
DocScrutinizer05	fw190: your karma is checked and OK	18:19
DocScrutinizer05	officially	18:19
sixwheeledbeast	there wasn't enough karma for Council elections anyway.	18:19
DocScrutinizer05	indeed	18:19
DocScrutinizer05	we already been there, done that	18:20
DocScrutinizer05	since khm also self-nominated for council	18:20
DocScrutinizer05	so unless somebody claims this must have changed since then... khm not running	18:21
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sombragris	hi there	18:22
sombragris	Does anyone know how to install the new tweetian 1.8.1?	18:23
sombragris	it complains that it requires a new library	18:23
sombragris	qt-components-10-com.nokia.meego-1.1-compat	18:24
sombragris	but the system cannot find it in the repos	18:24
sombragris	In the topic, Custodian recommends to install nelisquare	18:24
sombragris	I tried to do so, and installed nelisquare 0.4.8 without much trouble; still unable to install tweetian 1.8.1	18:25
sombragris	I uninstalled nelisquare, and tried to install nelisquare 0.5.0-beta, but I couldn't because of the same dependency	18:26
sombragris	and I have repos enabled up to extras-devel	18:26
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sombragris	can anybody help, please? I work as a CM and need a good twitter client in my N900	18:26
sombragris	thanks in advance :)	18:26
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sixwheeledbeast	Did someone fix the devel repo?	18:31
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sombragris	IDK	18:32
sombragris	btw: I use CSSU stable	18:32
sombragris	if you are aware of another twitter client working now, I'm open to suggestions	18:33
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sixwheeledbeast	sombragris: which have you tried	18:56
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Sosica	17:56sixwheeledbeastsombragris: which have you tried	18:59
Sosica	(he disconnected)	18:59
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sixwheeledbeast	not according to pidgin	19:00
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merlin1991	sixwheeledbeast: what mkes you think that	19:06
sixwheeledbeast	think what	19:07
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sixwheeledbeast	he has now left the room...	19:12
Sosica	yep, same message as before	19:13
Sosica	and I think merlin is referring to your statement about the devel repo	19:13
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sombragris	back	19:13
merlin1991	yep Sosica is right	19:13
sombragris	now this is more like it. XChat is better than the web-based Kiwi IRC	19:13
sixwheeledbeast	eh..	19:16
merlin1991	so yeah sixwheeledbeast what makes you think that someone fixed the devel repo?	19:17
sixwheeledbeast	oh packages are appearing	19:17
sixwheeledbeast	merlin1991:^^^	19:19
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sixwheeledbeast	http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/python-uncertainties/2.3.6-1maemo1/	19:19
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sixwheeledbeast	http://maemo.org/packages/repository/latest/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/all/	19:20
merlin1991	I suppose that was a side effect of me pushing the cssuT8.2 release through by hand	19:22
sixwheeledbeast	Also neilsquare has it's page back ... http://maemo.org/packages/view/nelisquare/	19:23
sixwheeledbeast	\o/	19:23
sixwheeledbeast	I have only asking so I can give props to the persons involved :)	19:23
sixwheeledbeast	s/have/am/	19:24
sixwheeledbeast	~ping	19:24
infobot	sixwheeledbeast meant: I am only asking so I can give props to the persons involved :)	19:24
infobot	~pong	19:24
sixwheeledbeast	mmm	19:24
sixwheeledbeast	..lag...	19:25
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sombragris	btw, any pointers to my twitter questions will be appreciated	19:32
sixwheeledbeast	<<(16:50:37) sixwheeledbeast: sombragris: which have you tried>>	19:32
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sombragris	sorry, I answered that before, it evidently didn't get here	19:33
sombragris	I tried: TweeGo, TweedSuit, Tweetian (1.6.x), Khweeteur, TwimGo (never worked for me)	19:34
sixwheeledbeast	so it seems	19:34
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sombragris	none of them currently work. I understand that Tweetian is the one that works with the new Twitter login API	19:34
sixwheeledbeast	ok well I know of no others apart from Canola 2 plugin	19:35
sombragris	but I cannot install it because it complains of a missing dependency and I cannot solve that	19:35
sombragris	I use CSSU	19:35
sombragris	what is Canola 2 ?	19:35
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sixwheeledbeast	I music player, but you may find that uses the old API	19:37
sixwheeledbeast	s/I/A/	19:37
infobot	sixwheeledbeast meant: A music player, but you may find that uses the old API	19:37
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sixwheeledbeast	I think Tweetian is the only hope if you fix the dependency issue.	19:38
sixwheeledbeast	Custodian isn't here to ask either.	19:39
sombragris	can anyone tell me where I can get qt-components-10-com.nokia.meego-1.1-compat ?	19:39
sombragris	I mean, it's nowhere to be found, even in extras-devel	19:39
sombragris	sixwheeledbeast: I think so. I'm ok with that, tweetian seems such a nice app. I used it previously for a managed account and worked like a charm.	19:40
DaRoDi	i have a strange problem since i flashed my n900 this week. i restored my gmail account from a backup. I can consult the message list, but on every message, if i want to see the detail, i get "message not available on server" anyone already got that?	19:42
sombragris	I ran apt-get update on the command-line and I got something interesting	19:42
sombragris	Conflicting distribution: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3 Release (expected fremantle-1.3 but got )	19:42
sombragris	does anyone know about this ?	19:42
sombragris	perhaps this may be behind the problem	19:42
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sixwheeledbeast	tweetian is not in the repos so can't check it's dependencies	19:44
sixwheeledbeast	sombragris: http://maemo.org/packages/view/qt-components-10-com.nokia.meego-1.1-compat/	19:44
sombragris	sixwheeledbeast: thanks!	19:45
sombragris	beats me, how it is missing even from extras-devel	19:45
* sixwheeledbeast is going for a shower while he has chance...BRB		19:45
sombragris	lol	19:46
sombragris	sixwheeledbeast: thanks for the pointer. enjoy the shower	19:46
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DocScrutinizer05	((<merlin1991> I suppose that was a side effect of me pushing the cssuT8.2 release through by hand)) [2013-06-11 23:26:41] <xes> hi Doc!,.. crond "killed by term signal" (during strange i/o errors ..?) [2013-06-11 23:28:10] <xes> ..crond just restarted	19:58
* sixwheeledbeast is back :)		19:59
sixwheeledbeast	oh.. cronjob that makes sense...	19:59
sixwheeledbeast	sombragris: how's it going, it seems tweetian was never uploaded to repos.	20:01
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sombragris	sixwheeledbeast: I just installed it via dpkg	20:02
sombragris	now, let's see if it runs	20:02
sombragris	my biggest problem was the qt-components thingie	20:03
Sicelo	question: when you display dashboard, default Maemo blanks the wallpaper, and also when you browse application menu. how do you change that?	20:03
sombragris	sixwheeledbeast: it works!	20:03
sombragris	thanks	20:03
sombragris	now let's see if it connects to twitter	20:03
sixwheeledbeast	sombragris: np	20:04
sombragris	bad news: unauthorized	20:04
sombragris	error 401	20:04
sombragris	:S	20:04
sixwheeledbeast	sombragris: you'll have to ping Custodian about that. have you read the thread on TMO	20:04
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sombragris	yes, I wrote on the thread, no answer so far	20:05
sixwheeledbeast	Sicelo: not sure what you mean	20:05
Sicelo	let me show a screenshot	20:06
sixwheeledbeast	Sicelo: I get you now.	20:07
sixwheeledbeast	the darker part of the screen in taskswitcher and app menu	20:08
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sixwheeledbeast	what do you what to do with it?	20:09
sixwheeledbeast	Sicelo:^^^	20:09
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Sicelo	what i have now is that the wallpaper shows even in taskswitcher & all menu.	20:10
sombragris	sixwheeledbeast: I can confirm that tweetian does work.	20:10
sombragris	I just had to relogin	20:10
Sicelo	i like that, but i don't remember what i did to get that :P	20:10
sixwheeledbeast	good glad you sorted.	20:10
Sicelo	and a friend would like me to help him do it ;)	20:11
sixwheeledbeast	Sicelo: I think you modified the transitions file.	20:11
sixwheeledbeast	~transitions.ini	20:12
sixwheeledbeast	~transitions	20:12
Sicelo	which part of that? :/ .. i'm looking at the wiki, but so far can't see what it could be	20:12
sixwheeledbeast	infobot: transitions.ini is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features/hildon-desktop	20:13
infobot	okay, sixwheeledbeast	20:13
sixwheeledbeast	~transitions.ini	20:13
infobot	well, transitions.ini is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features/hildon-desktop	20:13
sixwheeledbeast	:)	20:13
sixwheeledbeast	Sicelo: Blurless and Blurless Sat effect this.	20:14
Sicelo	are those supported in stock h-d, or they need the modifed one?	20:16
sixwheeledbeast	Sicelo: Why not copy your file on your device to his, remember to backup first.	20:16
sixwheeledbeast	CSSU h-d has the thp tweaks.	20:16
Sicelo	ok. i don't thik he's on cssu yet. will have to start there	20:17
* Sicelo is afraid of the day i'll have to reflash :P		20:18
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GI_Jack	OK, so I followed the instructions for CSSU-Thumb, and under "About Community CSSU" it doesn't mention thumbs anywhere	20:22
Sicelo	it meantions fingers? ;)	20:25
Sicelo	lol. just fooling around	20:26
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GhostRider	you could always thumb type on your N900	20:28
GhostRider	i'm sure that will help :D	20:28
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divVerent	is there a new problem of modest vs gmail?	21:10
divVerent	on every message, I see the headers but cannot open you	21:10
divVerent	message "subject" is not available on the server	21:11
thedead1440	divVerent: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90399	21:11
thedead1440	divVerent: fix courtesy of freemangordon http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1351776&postcount=99	21:12
sixwheeledbeast	included in Tmaemo8.2 AFAIK	21:13
divVerent	any timeline on the cssu upgrade needed for this?	21:15
divVerent	I can confirm the fix	21:19
divVerent	but... something as critical as this probably needs to go into cssu stable quickly	21:20
divVerent	you know what is weirdest? when I searched for the error, I found posts from 2011 without a solution	21:20
divVerent	that already described the cause (a sublist)	21:20
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divVerent	so gmail apparently did this before (the RFC allows it), nokia did not fix it, and gmail rolled it back	21:21
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divVerent	so apparently they now tried again	21:22
sixwheeledbeast	I think there is a Smaemo release due soon, hopefully it will get fastracked through being a priority. But TBH there's a lot of stuff going on at the moment and not enough hands IMO.	21:22
divVerent	what is Smaemo?	21:22
thedead1440	divVerent: CSSU-Stable :)	21:22
divVerent	oh :P	21:22
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sixwheeledbeast	People are working very hard to just keep stuff ticking over...	21:24
divVerent	yes...	21:24
divVerent	and as we see, some of the old nokia code is in really bad shape	21:25
divVerent	like the imap parsing	21:25
divVerent	so there is always some fires to extinguish	21:25
divVerent	what's next, we will find out that MicroB parses html with regexes? :P	21:26
ecc3g	is there a fix for the stock f/w?	21:27
divVerent	anyway, thanks freemangordon, fix works	21:27
divVerent	ecc3g: probably nobody did	21:28
divVerent	you can try it yourself by applying https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/tinymail/commit/3dc8ea1e0f59aa313de194849c9144be9845eb8e to the original sources	21:29
freemangordon	ecc3g: the "fix" for the stock FW is CSSU	21:29
divVerent	patch btw is quite surely still not rfc conforming though :P	21:29
divVerent	I bet imap has also some sort of escaping to support literal parentheses	21:30
freemangordon	divVerent: most probably you're right	21:30
divVerent	i am only guessing though	21:30
divVerent	but imap protocol is insane	21:30
freemangordon	divVerent: But I don;t have the time to read through all of the related RFCs and to rewrite camel-imap	21:30
divVerent	should I find out and submit a patch to g***l that adds all sorts of evil to imap?	21:31
divVerent	so all sorts of non conforming clients break? :P	21:31
freemangordon	divVerent: feel free to do it, it will be much easier then	21:31
divVerent	hehe	21:32
freemangordon	we'll just fix what does not work ;)	21:32
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divVerent	seriously... I can rather try to find out why G did the change	21:32
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divVerent	woukd not be allowed to tell anyone then though	21:32
freemangordon	divVerent: the RFC is from 2006 or something	21:32
divVerent	freemangordon: sure, and I know what you are implying from this	21:40
divVerent	I do still wonder what that field is for that Gmail added... probably Android uses it, I would guess	21:40
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divVerent	and the source is partially available, maybe this part is among it... so I would recommend checking there.	21:41
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Guest6860	Ihave flashed with 21.2011.38-1 and rootfs by following the maemo updater guide. Now when I try to make call, it shows cellular network not available	22:09
mad_dev	Guest6860: Try switching to offline and then online	22:10
Guest6860	i tried but not working, still same	22:12
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mad_dev	Where did you get the firmware from?	22:18
Guest6860	I just got a connection. I think its weak signal. My other fone used to work perfectly with full signal inside my room. but this one. I had to put my hands out of window to get a signal. So the obvious question will it be always like this. (new to n900, actually first time getting a signal in n900) are your n900s like this ? and is there a way to improve the signal strength.	22:18
mad_dev	Personally, No. My phone always has a signal, if not 3g it will switch to 2g	22:21
ecc3g	my n900 and 5230/nuron shows same signal strength...	22:22
Guest6860	so this might be a problem with this specific device. 3g not available so, its showing only 2.5g, abd that too if I stick my hand out. Is there a way to improve things.	22:23
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DocScrutinizer05	not really	22:26
DocScrutinizer05	you may try to disassemble and clean antenna contact	22:26
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DocScrutinizer05	also keep in mind that GSM antenna is next to AV/headset receptacle, you should hold the device accordingly (no joke)	22:28
Guest6860	@Docscrutinizer05, I am saif. I will take a look at dissasambling	22:28
DocScrutinizer05	you know you can get the original Nokia service manuals to do that disassembly right?	22:29
Guest6860	I was actually searching google. :)	22:30
DocScrutinizer05	http://maemo.cloud-7.de/hidden/	22:30
DocScrutinizer05	add docs/	22:30
DocScrutinizer05	look into hw	22:31
Guest6860	Forbidden You don't have permission to access /hidden/ on this server.	22:31
DocScrutinizer05	Nokia_N900_RX-51_Service_Manual_L1L2_v1_0.pdf	22:31
DocScrutinizer05	see my instructions above, DO NOT post complete URL anywhere!	22:31
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