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| GeneralAntilles | I'm going to post a "question for candidates" thread on Talk if anybody wants to try to think up some more. | 02:29 |
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| Win7Mac | great | 02:30 |
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| NeutrinoPower | I found this driver and now I want to an USB-Video-input adapter to test it on N900: http://sourceforge.net/projects/easycapdc60/ could EasyCAP DC60 work with N900? | 02:35 |
| NeutrinoPower | -to | 02:36 |
| nox- | not sure n900 is fast enough for raw video caputure even if its sd... | 02:37 |
| nox- | (let alone for encoding h264 etc) | 02:37 |
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| NeutrinoPower | I had a TV-PCI-card at it need less ressource when recording videos rather then viewing | 02:38 |
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| nox- | yeah but thats probably digital tv which is already encoded | 02:39 |
| NeutrinoPower | but I want watch the video outüut of cameras | 02:39 |
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| NeutrinoPower | I don't want record the input... | 02:40 |
| Win7Mac | GeneralAntilles, check your latest post on tmo, it's missing a "]" | 02:41 |
| NeutrinoPower | exists a kernel version >=2.6.38 vor N900 (Maemo)? | 02:41 |
| NeutrinoPower | for | 02:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Win7Mac, thanks! | 02:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | I SURE MESSED THAT UP | 02:42 |
| NeutrinoPower | is it possible to compile kernel 3.9 for N900? (without to get grey) | 02:43 |
| robbiethe1st | NeutrinoPower, Um, perhaps but I think there's issues with closed blob drivers - GPU, cell modem wifi etc. | 02:45 |
| robbiethe1st | Power Kernel is tweaked about as much as it can be, upgraded as well | 02:46 |
| NeutrinoPower | but EasyCAP DC60 Driver is in kernel 2.6.38 | 02:47 |
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| Win7Mac | on http://wiki.maemo.org/Karma: what does Mediawiki_edits: 6 * sqrt(# edits) mean? what's sqrt? | 02:56 |
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| GeneralAntilles | square root. | 03:00 |
| Win7Mac | one of those geek-things not even mentioned on the wiki ;-) | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Need moar programming experience (or something) | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | (go nominated yourself for HiFo Board and maybe you'll get it) | 03:03 |
| robbiethe1st | or math experience | 03:03 |
| Win7Mac | GA, awaiting your "question for candidates" thread on Talk ;) | 03:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm still thinking about a 5th question. | 03:06 |
| Win7Mac | take your time | 03:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Maybe I'll go with 4. | 03:07 |
| Win7Mac | not so soon ;) | 03:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | OK, it's up: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1349349#post1349349 | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't forget to ask the candidates if they got an idea about the *purpose* of HiFo ;-) | 03:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, go add that question to it. | 03:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hmm, actually | 03:09 |
| Win7Mac | ROTFL "Full disclosure: ..." | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I sort of covered it: | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | "What do see you as the primary role for the Hildon Foundation Board of Directors?" | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: seems you r#2 already covers that | 03:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and you already said the same :-) | 03:12 |
| Win7Mac | GA: good initiative! | 03:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd probably rather ask "do you understand that the primary role of HiFo is to be community's *treasurer* and *accountant*? And that there's NO great _mission_ that HiFo should follow?" | 03:15 |
| Win7Mac | only thing I wonder is if "...will, hopefully, be coming up..." helps anybody. | 03:15 |
| Win7Mac | rather name dependencies | 03:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, post away. | 03:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Win7Mac, yeah, true. | 03:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should I update the first post with questions I like or just let the thread develop more organically? | 03:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, also: "Thanks!" you stingy bastard? I have 2 years of ITT-without-Thanks! to compensate for. :D | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eh? | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | didn't I hit thanks yet? | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait! I'm still editing | 03:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | :P | 03:21 |
| Win7Mac | well, the great _mission_ is to keep + grow actual support and pick up sailfish, no? | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: done | 03:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Yes, I agree. | 03:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | (DocScrutinizer05) | 03:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Shall I aggregate useful questions to the first post? | 03:26 |
| Win7Mac | i'll post mine | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err no. "Pick up sailfish" is not on the agenda of HiFo, and for sure shouldn't. It might become a subject on the agenda of MCC, and MCC in their role as proxy of community might advice HiFo to do *material/financial/legal* stuff needed to pursue such subject/mission | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: ^^^ | 03:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | I see HiFo as a sort of passive gardener for maemo.org | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though you could argue that's MCC | 03:28 |
| Win7Mac | don't wanna argue | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Might prune things in the direction of facilitating Sailfish/Jolla to be a part of the community (see: chem|st's Talk moves) but not actively pursing anything but keeping maemo.org running. | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I suspect we all mostly agree on this subject. | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and HiFo is the company delivering what the passive gardener needs | 03:29 |
| Win7Mac | GA, ^^ exactly | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Check the legal boxes, facilitate the MCC/HFC doing their jobs. | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 03:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (see: chem|st's Talk moves) is exactly what MCC is meant for | 03:30 |
| Win7Mac | *pick up up was ofc very vague in any means | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after discussing it with community on Friday 1800utc, if needed | 03:31 |
| Win7Mac | grab my thanks too | 03:33 |
| Win7Mac | no idea how I am supposed to view my wiki-contributions :( | 03:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Preferences | 03:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Number of edits: | 03:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | (User ID: 7) Woo | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wut? | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, 1934 | 03:50 |
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| Win7Mac | another corner of maemo I NHB :o | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: number of edits actually works - I thought it was borked as well. This one is borked for sure: http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&tagfilter=&contribs=user&target=joerg_rw&namespace=&year=&month=-1 | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ashley: ^^^ could you look into that maybe? | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL!! http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Joerg_rw | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HELL, there's missing one or two edits between 2012-05-02T20:48:54 and 2013-03-22T21:34:15 | 04:04 |
| Win7Mac | seen that | 04:05 |
| Win7Mac | you use server time or offset? | 04:05 |
| Win7Mac | (beyond your regard) | 04:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry? | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Number of edits:936, "all public logs": 13 | 04:08 |
| Win7Mac | nvm | 04:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: YEAH!!! \o/ | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks! | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly for straightening this insult about employment | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how pathetic | 04:20 |
| Woody14619 | More to come later, depending on how pissed I am tomorrow. | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 04:20 |
| Win7Mac | :? | 04:20 |
| Woody14619 | I have saved at least 2 drafts I'm going to sleep on tonight. That was the *least* harsh... just to give you an idea. | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah ;-P | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I adore the "tell me , legal professional:..." | 04:21 |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 04:21 |
| Win7Mac | bedtime for me. good night all | 04:23 |
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| jpinx | has anyone tried running firefoxOS on a n900 ? | 05:45 |
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| int_ua | anyone: ^ | 08:27 |
| int_ua | :) | 08:27 |
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| vi__ | DocScrutinizer51: n900 has G711 codec right? | 12:01 |
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| Macer | good morning | 12:29 |
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| Sicelo | vi__: yes, afaik. :P | 13:42 |
| Sicelo | i think the guy on tmo.. his provider just isn't interested in helping him. that's all. with asterisk, N900 uses both types of G711 vry well (if the network is good and reliable, of course) | 13:44 |
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| Sicelo | G711 is PCM, likely the most basic codec there is | 13:47 |
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| vi__ | ye | 13:59 |
| vi__ | pcm==non compressed | 14:00 |
| vi__ | which means very little cpu overhead. | 14:00 |
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| vi__ | I am eagerly waiting confirmation of my new job. | 14:11 |
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| Sicelo | hmm ?) | 14:14 |
| Sicelo | \o/ | 14:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | aah, thanks Sicelo | 17:16 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | <<(20:25:56) DocScrutinizer05: sixwheeledbeast: please share URLs or whatever>> I did :) http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-06-03.log.html#t2013-06-03T20:15:15 | 17:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | The autobuilder seems to be cleaning the package over and over again | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you don't make my life easier, eh? ;-P | 17:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :) | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, known effect | 17:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | every hour! | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I already tagged it as one of our major headaches | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | every 4h, every 2min, whatever | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | give me the direct link to the package, so I can clean it out manually | 17:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ok, is this tied with the package not sending update notices? | 17:45 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 feels like the stupidest of bots | 17:45 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: become our autobuilder maintainer and find out! | 17:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I wouldn't know what to do. I am only asking if you knew, it's fine to say "I dunno" :) A problem shared == solved | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: http://maemo.org/packages/view/nelisquare/ | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | give me the direct link to the package, so I can clean it out manually | 17:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I think I spotted that on backscroll, wtf happen there. | 17:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | do you need the package page? http://maemo.org/packages/view/lanterne/ | 17:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | maemo.org is slow at the moment | 17:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/lanterne/0.1.0/ and http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/lanterne/0.0.1/ are the packages being cleaned over and over. | 17:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nuked them, now please leave me alone, I want to enjoy my deep depression and cry a little | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Or I GONNA KILL THIS AUTOBUILDEr WITH FIRE | 17:56 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | sorry... | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not your fault | 17:59 |
| * sixwheeledbeast hides | 17:59 | |
| sixwheeledbeast | I just didn't want it wasting system resource that's all :) | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, sth is *severely* fuckedup in this whole POS | 18:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: believe me, I feel all the same | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it makes me feel physical pain to watch the server build a page with thousands of "cleaned old package instance" history records, for minutes | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now figure what happens when spiders crawl the site | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and worst thing, we neither have a clue what caused that, nor how to *FIX* it for good. The history records linger on in midgards db forever | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while we curse about repligard db table of 20GB size | 18:04 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: Your not kidding about "*severely* fuckedup" I have found more... I want to cry :( | 20:28 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | What happened in the second week of May to cause it :scratchhead: | 20:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it probably starts with ja, and ends with cekowski | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but that problem is older, we encountered it as early as october 2012 iirc | 20:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | please point me to all packages you can find that have this problem, so I can delete then one by one | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: ^^^ | 20:41 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | yep well firstly modrana is like neilsquare *blank* | 20:41 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | plus so far I have located http://kl1p.com/pkgissues | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or even better, you get admin on midgard and hit "delete" on all *carefully* *checked* packages that have several "removed obsolete version" in their recent history | 20:42 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I have check carefully before adding URL to list. | 20:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I have put date of first issue with the package too | 20:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Seems the issue was all updates to packages since 10 May ish | 20:43 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Looks like all the new gcompris packages too ... grrr I will check and get URL's now | 20:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: what's your garage name? | 20:53 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | sixwheeledbeast :) | 20:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | please try to re-login to midgard, You should have a lot of dangerous permissions now, please use with great care! on every package page there's a *link* "delete" - please see and READ the hover test!! this link instantly nukes the object, no second security level!! | 20:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | s/test/text/ | 20:58 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: please try to re-login to midgard, You should have a lot of dangerous permissions now, please use with great care! on every package page there's a *link* "delete" - please see and READ the hover text!! this link instantly nukes the object, no second secur... | 20:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I can see options already | 20:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | do NOT USE ANY of the new permissions, except "delete" on carefully checked packages as you've proven to do the checks in your list you posted! | 21:00 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Ok so i click "delete package instance" on the individual packages page correct? | 21:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: you use the "Delete" link seen in http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/04/plasma-desktopMV3743.png in the middle of pic | 21:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | under "ENDED 2013-05-17 04:29" | 21:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | OK got it. | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no second guessing! clicking it instantly nukes the package, so BE CAREFUL! | 21:06 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I will how far on the list did you do? | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do NOT use *any* of the midgard toolbar options! | 21:07 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | OK | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'll see in history of packages | 21:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm temped to again shut down autobuilder completely | 21:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah infobot, i'm leaving too | 21:12 |
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| thedead1440 | haha | 21:16 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: I can't find any more, I will logout now. | 21:18 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ah a have had a pm to say recaller is doing it too. I will look now. | 21:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | freenode and infobot under DDoS. Waiting for impact on maemo.org | 21:50 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | maemo.org has been slow for a while | 21:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Ok I know of no more packages with the cleaning issue. I am going afk for a while. ttfn. | 21:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, it's been a tad slow since we radically cut down resources for www/static, to avoid OOM kicking in when somebody goes mirroring maemo.org (usually spiders) | 21:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | we planned to adjust from floor up rather than landing on the roof in free falling | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so ~Friday www gone a tad slow, and now we gradually ramp up and see what we can actually handle | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | before it been lightning fast until the zillion concurrent apache processes used up all RAM and kernel started to kill them off due to out-of-memory | 21:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | even worse: eventually some other important process got killed during that | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like sshd ;-P | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so we thought we should do sth about it | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | finetuning a webserver isn't exactly a straightforward task | 21:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly when that server also every now and then is ruunning really braindamaged php jobs that eat jiggabytes of RAM for nuttin | 21:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | due to midgard not freeing RAM of objects that get destructed, due to circular references that forbid garbage collector to do its job | 22:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | they must really face devcon1 | 22:13 |
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