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GeneralAntillesI'm going to post a "question for candidates" thread on Talk if anybody wants to try to think up some more.02:29
Win7Macgreat02:30
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NeutrinoPowerI found this driver and now I want to an USB-Video-input adapter to test it on N900: http://sourceforge.net/projects/easycapdc60/ could EasyCAP DC60 work with N900?02:35
NeutrinoPower-to02:36
nox-not sure n900 is fast enough for raw video caputure even if its sd...02:37
nox-(let alone for encoding h264 etc)02:37
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NeutrinoPowerI had a TV-PCI-card at it need less ressource when recording videos rather then viewing02:38
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nox-yeah but thats probably digital tv which is already encoded02:39
NeutrinoPowerbut I want watch the video out√ľut of cameras02:39
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NeutrinoPowerI don't want record the input...02:40
Win7MacGeneralAntilles, check your latest post on tmo, it's missing a "]"02:41
NeutrinoPowerexists a kernel version >=2.6.38 vor N900 (Maemo)?02:41
NeutrinoPowerfor02:42
GeneralAntillesWin7Mac, thanks!02:42
GeneralAntillesI SURE MESSED THAT UP02:42
NeutrinoPoweris it possible to compile kernel 3.9 for N900? (without to get grey)02:43
robbiethe1stNeutrinoPower, Um, perhaps but I think there's issues with closed blob drivers - GPU, cell modem wifi etc.02:45
robbiethe1stPower Kernel is tweaked about as much as it can be, upgraded as well02:46
NeutrinoPowerbut EasyCAP DC60 Driver is in kernel 2.6.3802:47
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Win7Macon http://wiki.maemo.org/Karma: what does Mediawiki_edits: 6 * sqrt(# edits) mean? what's sqrt?02:56
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GeneralAntillessquare root.03:00
Win7Macone of those geek-things not even mentioned on the wiki ;-)03:03
GeneralAntillesNeed moar programming experience (or something)03:03
GeneralAntilles(go nominated yourself for HiFo Board and maybe you'll get it)03:03
robbiethe1stor math experience03:03
Win7MacGA, awaiting your "question for candidates" thread on Talk ;)03:06
GeneralAntillesI'm still thinking about a 5th question.03:06
Win7Mactake your time03:07
GeneralAntillesMaybe I'll go with 4.03:07
Win7Macnot so soon ;)03:07
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GeneralAntillesOK, it's up: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1349349#post134934903:08
DocScrutinizer05don't forget to ask the candidates if they got an idea about the *purpose* of HiFo ;-)03:09
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, go add that question to it.03:09
GeneralAntillesHmm, actually03:09
Win7MacROTFL "Full disclosure: ..."03:10
GeneralAntillesI sort of covered it:03:10
GeneralAntilles"What do see you as the primary role for the Hildon Foundation Board of Directors?"03:10
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: seems you r#2 already covers that03:11
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DocScrutinizer05and you already said the same :-)03:12
Win7MacGA: good initiative!03:12
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DocScrutinizer05I'd probably rather ask "do you understand that the primary role of HiFo is to be community's *treasurer* and *accountant*? And that there's NO great _mission_ that HiFo should follow?"03:15
Win7Maconly thing I wonder is if "...will, hopefully, be coming up..." helps anybody.03:15
Win7Macrather name dependencies03:15
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, post away.03:15
GeneralAntillesWin7Mac, yeah, true.03:16
GeneralAntillesShould I update the first post with questions I like or just let the thread develop more organically?03:19
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, also: "Thanks!" you stingy bastard? I have 2 years of ITT-without-Thanks! to compensate for. :D03:20
DocScrutinizer05eh?03:20
DocScrutinizer05didn't I hit thanks yet?03:21
DocScrutinizer05wait! I'm still editing03:21
GeneralAntilles:P03:21
Win7Macwell, the great _mission_ is to keep + grow actual support and pick up sailfish, no?03:25
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: done03:25
GeneralAntillesYes, I agree.03:26
GeneralAntilles(DocScrutinizer05)03:26
GeneralAntillesShall I aggregate useful questions to the first post?03:26
Win7Maci'll post mine03:27
DocScrutinizer05err no. "Pick up sailfish" is not on the agenda of HiFo, and for sure shouldn't. It might become a subject on the agenda of MCC, and MCC in their role as proxy of community might advice HiFo to do *material/financial/legal* stuff needed to pursue such subject/mission03:27
DocScrutinizer05Win7Mac: ^^^03:28
GeneralAntillesI see HiFo as a sort of passive gardener for maemo.org03:28
DocScrutinizer05yep03:28
DocScrutinizer05though you could argue that's MCC03:28
Win7Macdon't wanna argue03:29
GeneralAntillesMight prune things in the direction of facilitating Sailfish/Jolla to be a part of the community (see: chem|st's Talk moves) but not actively pursing anything but keeping maemo.org running.03:29
GeneralAntillesI suspect we all mostly agree on this subject.03:29
DocScrutinizer05and HiFo is the company delivering what the passive gardener needs03:29
Win7MacGA, ^^ exactly03:29
GeneralAntillesCheck the legal boxes, facilitate the MCC/HFC doing their jobs.03:29
DocScrutinizer05yep03:30
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DocScrutinizer05(see: chem|st's Talk moves) is exactly what MCC is meant for03:30
Win7Mac*pick up up was ofc very vague in any means03:31
DocScrutinizer05after discussing it with community on Friday 1800utc, if needed03:31
Win7Macgrab my thanks too03:33
Win7Macno idea how I am supposed to view my wiki-contributions :(03:44
GeneralAntilleshttp://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Preferences03:48
GeneralAntillesNumber of edits:03:48
GeneralAntilles(User ID: 7) Woo03:48
DocScrutinizer05wut?03:49
DocScrutinizer05well, 193403:50
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Win7Macanother corner of maemo I NHB :o03:52
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: number of edits actually works - I thought it was borked as well. This one is borked for sure: http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&tagfilter=&contribs=user&target=joerg_rw&namespace=&year=&month=-103:54
DocScrutinizer05ashley: ^^^ could you look into that maybe?03:55
DocScrutinizer05LOL!! http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Joerg_rw03:58
DocScrutinizer05HELL, there's missing one or two edits between 2012-05-02T20:48:54 and 2013-03-22T21:34:1504:04
Win7Macseen that04:05
Win7Macyou use server time or offset?04:05
Win7Mac(beyond your regard)04:06
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DocScrutinizer05sorry?04:07
DocScrutinizer05Number of edits:936, "all public logs": 1304:08
Win7Macnvm04:08
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DocScrutinizer05Woody14619: YEAH!!! \o/04:18
DocScrutinizer05thanks!04:18
DocScrutinizer05particularly for straightening this insult about employment04:19
DocScrutinizer05how pathetic04:20
Woody14619More to come later, depending on how pissed I am tomorrow.04:20
DocScrutinizer05hehe04:20
Win7Mac:?04:20
Woody14619I have saved at least 2 drafts I'm going to sleep on tonight.  That was the *least* harsh... just to give you an idea.04:20
DocScrutinizer05aaah ;-P04:21
DocScrutinizer05I adore the "tell me , legal professional:..."04:21
Win7Mac;)04:21
Win7Macbedtime for me. good night all04:23
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jpinxhas anyone tried running firefoxOS on a n900 ?05:45
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int_uaanyone: ^08:27
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vi__DocScrutinizer51: n900 has G711 codec right?12:01
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Macergood morning12:29
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Sicelovi__: yes, afaik. :P13:42
Siceloi think the guy on tmo.. his provider just isn't interested in helping him. that's all. with asterisk, N900 uses both types of G711 vry well (if the network is good and reliable, of course)13:44
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SiceloG711 is PCM, likely the most basic codec there is13:47
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vi__ye13:59
vi__pcm==non compressed14:00
vi__which means very little cpu overhead.14:00
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vi__I am eagerly waiting confirmation of my new job.14:11
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Sicelohmm ?)14:14
Sicelo\o/14:14
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Raimuvi__: Where's your job?14:27
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DocScrutinizer05aah, thanks Sicelo17:16
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sixwheeledbeast<<(20:25:56) DocScrutinizer05: sixwheeledbeast: please share URLs or whatever>> I did :) http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-06-03.log.html#t2013-06-03T20:15:1517:43
sixwheeledbeastThe autobuilder seems to be cleaning the package over and over again17:44
DocScrutinizer05you don't make my life easier, eh? ;-P17:44
sixwheeledbeast:)17:44
DocScrutinizer05yes, known effect17:44
sixwheeledbeastevery hour!17:44
DocScrutinizer05I already tagged it as one of our major headaches17:44
DocScrutinizer05every 4h, every 2min, whatever17:44
DocScrutinizer05give me the direct link to the package, so I can clean it out manually17:45
sixwheeledbeastok, is this tied with the package not sending update notices?17:45
* DocScrutinizer05 feels like the stupidest of bots17:45
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: become our autobuilder maintainer and find out!17:46
sixwheeledbeastI wouldn't know what to do. I am only asking if you knew, it's fine to say "I dunno" :) A problem shared == solved17:48
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: http://maemo.org/packages/view/nelisquare/17:48
DocScrutinizer05give me the direct link to the package, so I can clean it out manually17:49
sixwheeledbeastI think I spotted that on backscroll, wtf happen there.17:49
sixwheeledbeastdo you need the package page? http://maemo.org/packages/view/lanterne/17:51
sixwheeledbeastmaemo.org is slow at the moment17:51
sixwheeledbeasthttp://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/lanterne/0.1.0/ and http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/lanterne/0.0.1/ are the packages being cleaned over and over.17:52
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DocScrutinizer05nuked them, now please leave me alone, I want to enjoy my deep depression and cry a little17:54
DocScrutinizer05Or I GONNA KILL THIS AUTOBUILDEr WITH FIRE17:56
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sixwheeledbeastsorry...17:59
DocScrutinizer05not your fault17:59
* sixwheeledbeast hides17:59
sixwheeledbeastI just didn't want it wasting system resource that's all :)18:00
DocScrutinizer05and yes, sth is *severely* fuckedup in this whole POS18:01
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DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: believe me, I feel all the same18:01
DocScrutinizer05it makes me feel physical pain to watch the server build a page with thousands of "cleaned old package instance" history records, for minutes18:02
DocScrutinizer05now figure what happens when spiders crawl the site18:03
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DocScrutinizer05and worst thing, we neither have a clue what caused that, nor how to *FIX* it for good. The history records linger on in midgards db forever18:03
DocScrutinizer05while we curse about repligard db table of 20GB size18:04
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sixwheeledbeastDocScrutinizer05: Your not kidding about "*severely* fuckedup" I have found more... I want to cry :(20:28
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sixwheeledbeastWhat happened in the second week of May to cause it :scratchhead:20:37
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DocScrutinizer05it probably starts with ja, and ends with cekowski20:39
DocScrutinizer05but that problem is older, we encountered it as early as october 2012 iirc20:40
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DocScrutinizer05please point me to all packages you can find that have this problem, so I can delete then one by one20:40
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: ^^^20:41
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sixwheeledbeastyep well firstly modrana is like neilsquare *blank*20:41
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sixwheeledbeastplus so far I have located http://kl1p.com/pkgissues20:42
DocScrutinizer05or even better, you get admin on midgard and hit "delete" on all *carefully* *checked* packages that have several "removed obsolete version" in their recent history20:42
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sixwheeledbeastI have check carefully before adding URL to list.20:43
sixwheeledbeastI have put date of first issue with the package too20:43
sixwheeledbeastSeems the issue was all updates to packages since 10 May ish20:43
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sixwheeledbeastLooks like all the new gcompris packages too ... grrr I will check and get URL's now20:52
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DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: what's your garage name?20:53
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sixwheeledbeastsixwheeledbeast :)20:53
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DocScrutinizer05please try to re-login to midgard, You should have a lot of dangerous permissions now, please use with great care! on every package page there's a *link* "delete" - please see and READ the hover test!! this link instantly nukes the object, no second security level!!20:57
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infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: please try to re-login to midgard, You should have a lot of dangerous permissions now, please use with great care! on every package page there's a *link* "delete" - please see and READ the hover text!! this link instantly nukes the object, no second secur...20:58
sixwheeledbeastI can see options already20:59
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DocScrutinizer05do NOT USE ANY of the new permissions, except "delete" on carefully checked packages as you've proven to do the checks in your list you posted!21:00
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sixwheeledbeastOk so i click "delete package instance" on the individual packages page correct?21:02
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DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: you use the "Delete" link seen in http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/04/plasma-desktopMV3743.png in the middle of pic21:05
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DocScrutinizer05under "ENDED 2013-05-17 04:29"21:06
sixwheeledbeastOK got it.21:06
DocScrutinizer05no second guessing! clicking it instantly nukes the package, so BE CAREFUL!21:06
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sixwheeledbeastI will how far on the list did you do?21:07
DocScrutinizer05do NOT use *any* of the midgard toolbar options!21:07
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sixwheeledbeastOK21:07
DocScrutinizer05you'll see in history of packages21:07
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DocScrutinizer05I'm temped to again shut down autobuilder completely21:09
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DocScrutinizer05yeah infobot, i'm leaving too21:12
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thedead1440haha21:16
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sixwheeledbeastDocScrutinizer05: I can't find any more, I will logout now.21:18
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sixwheeledbeastah a have had a pm to say recaller is doing it too. I will look now.21:23
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DocScrutinizer05freenode and infobot under DDoS. Waiting for impact on maemo.org21:50
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sixwheeledbeastmaemo.org has been slow for a while21:51
sixwheeledbeastOk I know of no more packages with the cleaning issue. I am going afk for a while. ttfn.21:53
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DocScrutinizer05well, it's been a tad slow since we radically cut down resources for www/static, to avoid OOM kicking in when somebody goes mirroring maemo.org (usually spiders)21:54
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DocScrutinizer05we planned to adjust from floor up rather than landing on the roof in free falling21:54
DocScrutinizer05so ~Friday www gone a tad slow, and now we gradually ramp up and see what we can actually handle21:55
DocScrutinizer05before it been lightning fast until the zillion concurrent apache processes used up all RAM and kernel started to kill them off due to out-of-memory21:56
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DocScrutinizer05even worse: eventually some other important process got killed during that21:57
DocScrutinizer05like sshd ;-P21:57
DocScrutinizer05so we thought we should do sth about it21:58
DocScrutinizer05finetuning a webserver isn't exactly a straightforward task21:58
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DocScrutinizer05particularly when that server also every now and then is ruunning really braindamaged php jobs that eat jiggabytes of RAM for nuttin21:59
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DocScrutinizer05due to midgard not freeing RAM of objects that get destructed, due to circular references that forbid garbage collector to do its job22:00
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DocScrutinizer05#freenode gone +m(oderated), never seen that before22:13
DocScrutinizer05they must really face devcon122:13
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