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| orson | does anyone know or may point me to docs, what does it mean 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -uc | 01:02 |
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| orson | sry | 01:02 |
| orson | does anyone know or may point me to docs, what does '2maemo8+0m5' mean in packages' name? | 01:03 |
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| * Win7Mac wonders if there's a list of factoids known to infobot similar to this?: http://codex.wordpress.org/IRC/wp-doc-bot | 01:08 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: 140k | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~+status | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *cough* | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what a bitch ;-P | 01:34 |
| Win7Mac | LOL | 01:34 |
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| Win7Mac | ~list | 01:34 |
| Win7Mac | ~+list | 01:35 |
| Win7Mac | is there such a list online available? | 01:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~+status | 01:37 |
| infobot | Since Sun Jun 2 22:36:29 2013, there have been 0 modifications, 0 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 51s this session, and currently reference 119066 factoids. I'm using about 18320 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1.62/0.1 child 0/0 | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 119k sorry | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and no, such list doesn't exist | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys factoid | 01:38 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'factoid' by key (16 of 30): factoid bigdog ;; factoids: x ;; factoids ;; testfactoid ;; $factoid ;; imagine a factoid ;; factoid clue ;; factoid_char-major-6 ;; make a factoid ;; newfactoid ;; my factoid ;; setting factoids: x ;; factoid war ;; plural factoids ;; kopete's factoid ;; cmd: dpkg factoid (.*?). | 01:38 |
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| Win7Mac | LOL factoid war... | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hm? | 01:39 |
| Win7Mac | ^^ | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~+help listkeys | 01:40 |
| infobot | Desc: Search the factoid database by key (factoid) | 01:40 |
| infobot | Usage: listkeys <regex> | 01:40 |
| infobot | Example: listkeys infobot | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | REGEX??? :-o | 01:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys fa..oid | 01:40 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'fa..oid' by key returned no results. | 01:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys fa.*oid | 01:41 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'fa.*oid' by key returned no results. | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys fa*oid | 01:41 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'fa*oid' by key (14 of 30): factoid mindjuju_ ;; emptyfactoidname ;; testfactoid ;; $factoid ;; locked factoids ;; factoid misty ;; bruggie's factoid ;; cmd: inapparopriate factoid (.*?) ;; factoid word switch ;; newfactoid ;; factoid_char-major-6 ;; factoid bigdog ;; setting factoids: x ;; my factoid. | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather shell patterns | 01:41 |
| Win7Mac | ...just to impress the guys in the #worpress channel ;-) This is so poor in relation: http://codex.wordpress.org/IRC/wp-doc-bot | 01:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~inapparopriate factoid foobar | 02:06 |
| infobot | YOU GOT THE WRONG FACTOID, foobar | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *yawn* | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~dice 15d8 | 02:07 |
| infobot | rolled 3,3,7,6,6,7,7,7,1,4,8,8,7,2,6 = 82 | 02:07 |
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| Win7Mac | #wordpress-bot would be jealous, if she read all this ;-) | 02:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki wordpress | 02:17 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wordpress (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{about|the blogging software|the blog host|WordPress.com}} {{pp-move-indef}} {{Infobox software | name = WordPress | logo = | screenshot = | caption = WordPress Dashboard | collapsible = yes | developer = WordPress Foundation | status = Active | released = {{start date|2003|05|27}} | latest release version = 3.5.1 | latest release date = {{start date and age|2013|01|24}}{{cite web ... | 02:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~spell wordpress | 02:17 |
| infobot | possible spellings for wordpress: word press word-press wardress depress wardress's waitress woodpiles woodpile's wordplay's Woodrow's verdure's | 02:17 |
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| nox- | haha | 02:18 |
| Win7Mac | I see you prefer midgard ;-) | 02:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I prefer assembler | 02:19 |
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| Win7Mac | [00:34] <doc-bot> Win7Mac: WordPress 3.5 has been downloaded 21,814,719 times | 02:22 |
| Win7Mac | the good thing about next release 3.6 (~in 4 weeks) is, it will have Audio/Video support in Core: http://make.wordpress.org/core/2013/04/08/audio-video-support-in-core/ | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one of them been to my box, where my sysop installed that crap for his wife, and then I had the hassle with the vulnerabilities since he didn't maintain and update it (if that was even a possibility) | 02:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | WordPress is a big ole security hole. | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 02:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | Given their install base, it's no surprise, though. | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I cured it with fire, err radical apt meant | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/meant/means/ | 02:26 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: I cured it with fire, err radical apt means | 02:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | Listening to bergie rant about it is entertaining. | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I bet it is | 02:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders if bergie would find it interesting to hear DocScrutinizer05 rant about midgard ;-P | 02:27 | |
| Win7Mac | who would have interest in hacking my site besides guys like you :p | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HAH! | 02:27 |
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| Win7Mac | i have one IP trying to register but he fails since weeks | 02:28 |
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| Win7Mac | there's plugins for that | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | every script kiddie entry level bot kit nowadays comes with a "conquer the world by automatically owning all WP boxen you can get hold of" | 02:29 |
| Win7Mac | you're telling that ~22 million sites/admins are at risk? | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no. Probably 21.5 mio are already owned and thus safe from further attacks ;-P | 02:31 |
| Win7Mac | ROTFL... why? | 02:31 |
| Win7Mac | theres plugins for that and no _major_ complaints so far | 02:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, what blade enclosure are we using, by the way? | 02:32 |
| Win7Mac | besides weak PWs | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because those crackers are actually pretty good to defend their booty against other blackhats | 02:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | WordPress's problem is that you have to update it regularly to keep it secure. | 02:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | It's fine if it's updated regularly. | 02:32 |
| Win7Mac | it is, though 3.6 is over-due | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: http://www.supermicro.nl/products/system/2u/2027/SYS-2027TR-HTRF.cfm?parts=SHOW | 02:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Currently 2/4 filled? | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all 4 filled | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but only 2 sockets populated, on 2 bladed each 1 | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so we have two blades with one CPU and 2 with 0 CPU | 02:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ahhh, OK. | 02:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Each blade is dual socket? | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 02:36 |
| nox- | whats the point of a blade w/o cpu? | 02:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Room for expansion? | 02:36 |
| nox- | well ok... | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | spae parts ;-P | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | spare even | 02:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Better answer | 02:37 |
| nox- | ok :) | 02:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Since buying the empty boards ahead seems wasteful. | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you might need them for thermal concept of enclosure | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno | 02:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Random interest for the room: Vision for maemo.org in 1 year? 5 years? | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 1 year: much like now | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 5 yeras: almost forgotten | 02:38 |
| Win7Mac | and that out of your kb... | 02:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, Jolla doesn't seem inclined towards managing a user/dev community for itself. | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like this one: http://apt.rikers.org/%23openmoko/ | 02:40 |
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| GeneralAntilles | I wonder if maemo.org might act as an Internet Tablet Talk for modern open source mobile platforms. | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we started that motion last week iirc | 02:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | (obviously that growth would have to be largely organic) | 02:41 |
| Win7Mac | LOL.. | 02:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | That does not require any particularly agreement or cooperation from Jolla. | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seem some Ryan Abel guy in MWKN wrote about new forums in tmo | 02:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Reggie's always been very much JFDI with his web forum endeavors. | 02:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | That guy. | 02:42 |
| Win7Mac | GA, +1 on jolla. we'll see! | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wtf jfdi | 02:43 |
| infobot | Gee... I don't know what jfdi means... | 02:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just Fucking Do It | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jfdi | 02:43 |
| Win7Mac | Ge... ;-9 | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jfdi is Just Fucking Do It | 02:43 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: please, watch your language. | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you bitch!! | 02:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~$50 | 02:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | ~50 | 02:43 |
| infobot | somebody said 50 was still quite common | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jfdi is Just F*cking Do It | 02:44 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >:-( | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~useless | 02:44 |
| * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :( | 02:44 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~die | 02:44 |
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| Win7Mac | hey, relax, it's just a bot like you + me | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~+chanset #maemo | 02:46 |
| infobot | chan: #maemo (see _default also) | 02:46 |
| infobot | OnJoin => 1, _time_added => 1179878166, autojoin => infobot, factoidSearch => $chan _default | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~+chanset _default | 02:46 |
| infobot | Default channel settings | 02:46 |
| infobot | BZFlag => 1, Debian => 1, DebianExtra => 1, Dict => 1, Exchange => 1, Factoids => 1, HTTPDtype => 1, Kernel => 1, Math => 1, Plug => 1, Quote => 1, RootWarn => 1, Rss => 1, Search => 1, Topic => 1, Units => 1, Uptime => 1, UserInfo => 1, Weather => 1, Zippy => 1, addressCharacter => ~, allowConv => 1, allowTelling => 1, botmail => 1, case => 1 | 02:46 |
| infobot | chanlimitcheckPlus => 60, cookie => 1, countdown => 1, debian => 1, debianRefreshInterval => 7, dice => 1, dns => 1, exchange => 1, factoidArguments => 1, factoidDeleteDelay => 7, factoidPreventForgetLimit => 100, factoidPreventForgetLimitTime => 180000, factoidSearch => _default, floodMessages => 10:30, floodRepeat => 2:10, freshmeat => 1 | 02:46 |
| infobot | insult => 1, ircTextCounters => heh hah :) ? hi lol, joinfloodCheck => 1, karma => 1, lart => 1, limitcheckInterval => 60, limitcheckPlus => 60, log => 1, maxListReplyCount => 30, md5 => 1, minVolunteerLength => 50, newsDefaultExpire => 7, newsKeepRead => 1, newsNotifyAll => 1, nickometer => 1, pager => 1, piglatin => 1, randomFactoidInterval => 60, reverse => 1 | 02:46 |
| infobot | rss => 1, scramble => 1, sed => 1, seen => 1, seenFlushInterval => 120, seenMaxDays => 900, seenStats => 1, seenStoreAll => 1, sendPublicLimitBytes => 1000, slashdot => 1, spell => 1, tell => 1, translate => 1, upsidedown => 1, verstats => 1, wikipedia => 1, wtf => 1, zfi => 1, zsi => 1 | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | profanity? | 02:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Profane. | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | insult =>1 | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but no profane=>0 | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe 0 is default | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and somebody deleted profane=>1 | 02:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Need to protect the chilrens | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~rape herself | 02:49 |
| * infobot takes herself behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams | 02:49 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys 50 | 02:49 |
| infobot | Factoid search of '50' by key (22 of 2477): port 650 ;; rfc 2050 ;; rfc 50 ;; rfc950 ;; zip 15003 ;; zip 15069 ;; zip 18507 ;; zip 20050 ;; zip 24506 ;; zip 30750 ;; zip 35079 ;; zip 39502 ;; zip 45002 ;; zip 46501 ;; zip 46502 ;; zip 50264 ;; zip 50314 ;; zip 5034 ;; zip 50420 ;; zip 50433 ;; zip 50551 ;; zip 50658. | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys " 50" | 02:50 |
| infobot | Factoid search of ' 50' by key (22 of 616): port 505 ;; rfc 501 ;; rfc 504 ;; zip 50001 ;; zip 50064 ;; zip 50110 ;; zip 50122 ;; zip 50123 ;; zip 50135 ;; zip 50252 ;; zip 50272 ;; zip 50301 ;; zip 50306 ;; zip 50323 ;; zip 50402 ;; zip 50446 ;; zip 50449 ;; zip 50478 ;; zip 5050 ;; zip 50517 ;; zip 50532 ;; zip 50551. | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys " 50*$" | 02:50 |
| infobot | Factoid search of ' 50*$' by key (21 of 616): area code 507 ;; port 5005 ;; port 509 ;; rfc 505 ;; zip 5009 ;; zip 50201 ;; zip 50235 ;; zip 50265 ;; zip 50304 ;; zip 50306 ;; zip 50321 ;; zip 50335 ;; zip 5041 ;; zip 5043 ;; zip 50434 ;; zip 5047 ;; zip 50473 ;; zip 50531 ;; zip 50545 ;; zip 50573 ;; zip 50583. | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys " $*50" | 02:50 |
| infobot | Factoid search of ' $*50' by key (1): actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever. | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever | 02:51 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever | 02:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: anyway that reaching out to new communities is exactly what chem|st intended with the jolla/sailfish forums | 02:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like that approach | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and we even plan to offer a direct link talk.jolla.com - just like talk.maemo.org been in times of ITT | 02:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Versus Rob's sekrit emails. | 02:53 |
| Win7Mac | GeneralAntilles: 1) clear, community-driven, light-weight HiFo. 2) get hold of everything maemo/meego-related code + rights from NOK. 3) accept + support jolla wherever we can - if they profit, community in general will profit. 4) have proper server-infra to handle additional repos for HARM + sailfish | 02:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | What's the deal with the Harmattan infra and resources? | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2) there's no such code, just binaries | 02:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Code you're not going to make progress on. | 02:54 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's nobody left at Nokia who even knows what it is. | 02:55 |
| Win7Mac | binaries, whatever there is | 02:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | That horse has been kicked to death already. And yes, it blends. | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 4) sailfish isn't interested in maemo.org infra for their repos and stuff | 02:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Random note: http://metawatch.com/ | 02:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | STRATA on sale for $129 for Father's Day. | 02:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | (it'll change your life) | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can it shut down maemo remotely? | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise it won't, I'm afraid | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Having notifications on your wrist is a surprisingly significant change | 02:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | also: a watch you never have to worry about setting again. | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I rarely ever get any notifications | 02:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | WELL THEN | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I could use a notification every now and then, about me being hungry | 02:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | You should set an alarm for that | 02:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | WHICH REMINDS ME | 02:59 |
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| Win7Mac | hilarious | 02:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm procrastinating on MWKN. | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the only notifications I get (but I'm glad I don't get them when not at home) are of the class >>** PROBLEM Service Alert: www.maemo.org/HTTP is CRITICAL **<< | 03:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | At least it's a lighter issue than last week. | 03:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thus, give a a watch with maemo-be-gone and it might actually change my life ;-D | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...back to somewhat "normal" | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | You'd just find another killer project to kill yourself on. ;) | 03:03 |
| Win7Mac | Doc, don't fight it, your next device will be a jolla ;) | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hardly | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I have 5 N900 here | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm ready to use them!!! | 03:05 |
| Win7Mac | ...just to be on the safe side, right?! | 03:06 |
| Win7Mac | be prepared for the nxt decade | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly the times when I bought a new device every month, to check what funny/cute ideas they had in their hw that I could adopt, are gone | 03:06 |
| Win7Mac | never did that | 03:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, good thing it's been 4 years. | 03:07 |
| GeneralAntilles | :P | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I had to do that, for my job | 03:07 |
| * GeneralAntilles needs more chumps to aggregate news to @mwkn on Twitter. | 03:08 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eeek, sunday evening | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | almost forgot | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually monday morning | 03:08 |
| Win7Mac | GA: well, last meeting was a load | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed, not too bad | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you probably could pick up one or two details there | 03:09 |
| Win7Mac | I always wonder why there's no content here: http://maemo.org/news/ | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | let's see: we started unification of councils... we announced BoD elections | 03:10 |
| Win7Mac | ...just the thumbnails right side | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, dunno | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably because nobody writes anything there | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've got 4 stories so far: HiFo Board nominations, council meeting logs, Jolla €100 being made available for EU/.ch/.nl, and tabletsdev.maemo.org being up. | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | It should pull the top rated stuff from Planet. | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it seems like that component is borked. | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | (That's not me volunteering to fix it) | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh yeah, the last one is probably worth a sentence or two | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, I've got: "The firmware images, flashers, and various development tools for Maemo are now available at maemo.org." | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Any details to add? | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | URL tabletsdev.maemo.org | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | replacing the long zombie-state tablets-dev.nokia.com (which recently resurrected) | 03:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yeah, "URL=http://tabletsdev.maemo.org/" | 03:12 |
| Win7Mac | add joergs' paypal in notice to nescessary HW-updates | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Ah, yes, new blade. | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we're facing severe problems with autobuilder that need sorting - volunteers welcome | 03:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, got a link to a blog post or talk thread discussing that? :P | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not really | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the old story over and over again: packages hanging in autobuilder queue, not propagating from devel to testing to extras. Accounts not created/synced to builder | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aso aso | 03:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | a sidenote: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90314 | 03:17 |
| GeneralAntilles | Get somebody to summarize it in a thread or something. | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | minor issue | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the problem is, we're not even able to summarize it | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | most problems are hardly completely described, not to ask for understanding their nature | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dozens of cronjobs are missing, or doing nonsense when running, or simply killing the VM they run on since they eat ram without an end | 03:20 |
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| GeneralAntilles | That's fine, but what sort of skillset do you need? Could you estimate what sort of investment would be required from a potential volunteer? That sort of thing. | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | absolutely no clue | 03:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | OK | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | somebody who got that autobuilder installed on his private server maybe | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or has historical knowledge from the thime that stuff got implemented | 03:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably just X-Fade. | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 03:22 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs. | 03:22 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Despite a lot of nagging by previous councils, documentation for maemo.org's various custom solutions is nonexistent. | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and nobody (particularly in Nemein) ever pondered writing a 40pp manual "how to maemo.org" | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 03:23 |
| rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: doesn't help that practically nobody else uses Midgard | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and the so-called "knowledge transfer" been paid for by Nokia but actually never really happened | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rikanee: I know | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rikanee: volunteering to build that whole POS annew, on wordpress? ;-P | 03:24 |
| rikanee | side note: whatever happened to RMO moving to use OBS? | 03:24 |
| rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: Midgard handles way, way, way more than the blog and front page though | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can tell you what happened to it: x-fade and javispedro dumped it when it became clear that nokia abandons maemo | 03:25 |
| rikanee | it's so extensive I have no idea what projects can straight out replace it. | 03:25 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm really rather surprised at the cost of maemo.org's support contract with Nemein and how little seems to have been done with it. | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rikanee: in fact it's even bigger than that, it's more than just midgard | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | garage is some other errr system? | 03:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | The big nasty mess that is Midgard + Garage | 03:26 |
| GeneralAntilles | GForge | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that | 03:27 |
| rikanee | it's so integrated that it'd take months of full-time work. | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whatever that is | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least months | 03:27 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders if that's the time of day for a glass ABSOLUT100 | 03:28 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Would it be easier to jettison autobuilder in favor of OBS? | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly not | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we don't even understand autobuilder | 03:29 |
| rikanee | well, how hard would it be to keep maintaining autobuilder? | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | It doesn't even work correctly at the moment, right? | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it *kinda* works | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, Sandeman tawny port for me tonight | 03:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | (although I'm beginning to suspect a sensitivity to red grapes) | 03:29 |
| rikanee | GeneralAntilles: just ask Pali ;) | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yummy | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: http://maemo.org/packages/repository/builds/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/all/ | 03:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | What do we think of a subscription option for HiFo donations (e.g., $5/month)? | 03:30 |
| rikanee | fwiw, steamrolling the entire thing (and finally updating maemo.org/intro) would be easier than trying to keep the maemo.org infra. probably should be played with on a test server. | 03:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | **but** http://maemo.org/packages/view/nelisquare/ | 03:31 |
| Win7Mac | after elects probably | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (get a beer *before* you click the latter)) | 03:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | rikanee, what about Downloads, though? | 03:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | and the social news stuff is pretty involved | 03:32 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 headdesks HARD on >>nelisquare 0.5.0-11 Old version cleaned by repository management<< | 03:34 | |
| rikanee | GeneralAntilles: isn't Downloads a RMO frontend? Replace with COBS and some script to format an RSS feed of newest packages to something nice. As for Maemo News, import it somehow to Wordpress/etc, I guess. | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: THAT is one of our REAL problems *right now* | 03:35 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: still no maintainer of autobuilder? | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 03:35 |
| Win7Mac | is there no backup at all from before migration? | 03:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | rikanee, the contents of the contract with Nokia may also preclude nuke-and-rebuild. | 03:36 |
| freemangordon | :( | 03:36 |
| rikanee | GeneralAntilles: the support contract with Nokia (paying to maintain Midgard), or the contract for all the Maemo.org stuff? | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whatever the contract with nokia says, I for one am not available for a rebuild of this POS, based on... *which* specs | 03:37 |
| freemangordon | ok, I will volunteer, unfortunately am too busy with my job lately, won;t be able to do anything before the next weekend | 03:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | rikanee, the contract HiFo may-one-of-these-day sign to hand over maemo.org to HiFi. | 03:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/HiFo/HiFo Board/ | 03:37 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: rikanee, the contract HiFo Board may-one-of-these-day sign to hand over maemo.org to HiFi. | 03:37 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 writes >>Old version cleaned by repository management<< on a glass, and fills in ABSOLUT until the writing vanishes | 03:38 | |
| rikanee | yeesh. We're getting stuck with Midgard? | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we *are* | 03:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | rikanee, no clue. | 03:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, it's unlikely that we'll be able to come up with the volunteers to implement a replacement anytime soon. | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | by any sane rationale we have no options | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 03:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | (maybe I should've played the PowerBall a few weeks ago) | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anytime soon? anytime ever! | 03:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Optimism, dear DocScrutinizer05. ;) | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | savvy people interested in maemo get fewer by the week | 03:40 |
| rikanee | whelp. The door should be left open for renovations though, in case the last person savvy with Midgard drops off. | 03:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | There are no Midgard-savvy people. | 03:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | (because nobody uses the damn thing) | 03:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | (especially not the old version we have on maemo.org) | 03:41 |
| * GeneralAntilles just has the last two front-page stories to summarize. | 03:41 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Wow, Jaffa's not even on IRC these days. | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see? | 03:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Must be busy-busy-busy. | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | number of users in here also drops by the day | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm already waiting for the day when we can't reach 200 | 03:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, no surprise given that we haven't had a new device in years. :P | 03:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's hope for the future, though! | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm more often than not felling like flicking a dead horse | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and the few motivated guys left over waste their energy on maintaining a monster of IT and organizational infra | 03:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | fells like running all town for weeks shouting to find somebody willing to help on a task that you could probably do in a few hours on your own | 03:46 |
| GeneralAntilles | Once we get a contract, we can figure out what can be streamlined, right? | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | feels* dang | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can streamline any time you want. You're welcome | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas even streamlining is weeks of work | 03:47 |
| Win7Mac | somebody had an assignment and was rsponsible for miration#1 where things got fuxored, right? | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what been that maemo.org blog thing I posted a question why nobody posted anything since 7 months? | 03:48 |
| Win7Mac | can't claim anything? | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I already forgot | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: been there, done that. Futile | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please don't ask for details | 03:49 |
| Win7Mac | dull... | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I pushed like an idiot | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no reaction, no result, nuttin | 03:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unfortunate. | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I asked HiFo to ask Nokia if that migration stuff already been paid, since it's not really been delivered yet | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | response: too late | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2 months before I *shouted* "does anybody check what's defect in our infra PLEASE?!" | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no reaction | 03:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and I asked for feedback from Niels aka x-fade since january. Nothing *ever* happened | 03:54 |
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| Win7Mac | well, what are the options? ask nemein for an offer on the job | 03:57 |
| Win7Mac | then deal about it | 03:57 |
| Win7Mac | and have it backuped by funds | 03:58 |
| Win7Mac | *donations | 03:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | see meeting 1 week ago (or 2 weeks?), I think I suggested exactly that | 03:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but I'm just one guy, and even while i'm a badass my powers to move things are limited | 03:59 |
| Win7Mac | so HiFo needs to officially ask nemein? | 03:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and so far nothing that I didn't manage personally and not listened to anybody else really panned out | 04:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't push the whole planet | 04:00 |
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| Win7Mac | I do see community owes U 1 | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't help though | 04:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | community owes community to get active | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can give suggestions | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I have no more free hands to push whatever | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly feel like wasting my time like a wise fool | 04:03 |
| Win7Mac | in 5 weeks weather will be fine again. With a working HiFo we'll see what we can do then | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nothing new | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I guess we will have NO hifo in 5 weeks | 04:06 |
| Win7Mac | oh comon, i don't even wanna know what your thinking about | 04:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | do you know of any 6 candidates for HiFo? | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not even asking for *good* candidates | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the last 8 weeks convinced absolutely *everybody* that HiFo isn't a position you wanna have | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who wants to join a club that everybody hates? | 04:09 |
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| Sc0rpius | I still can't edit the title of the post :( | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you won't find any candidates for HiFo, except woody and GA | 04:10 |
| Sc0rpius | but it's weird: when I click edit on the post, the Title is correct there, but in the tmo thread the old title still appears. | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sc0rpius: and I still can't reproduce since *I* for sure can't edit it | 04:10 |
| Sc0rpius | aren't you a tmo mod? | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask tmo maintainer! | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ME??? | 04:11 |
| Sc0rpius | :) | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I already have enough tedious tasks to ruin my day and my life | 04:11 |
| Win7Mac | well, why be so pessimistic? 2 are already in, there are potent guys in council(s) and who knows who gets atracted by that banner on tmo? | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah who knows (them) | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I can already tell you there's nobody in any council that is eager to become BoD | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 8 weeks ago this was a tad different and my arguments were not as rotten as they are today | 04:13 |
| Win7Mac | I'm hoping for some oldschool guys there, though I'm an N9'er | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the oldschool guys are mostly gone | 04:14 |
| Sc0rpius | heh | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or no more interested | 04:14 |
| Win7Mac | well, at lest theres council! | 04:15 |
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| Win7Mac | s/lest/least | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1347860&postcount=137 to the point, particularly last line | 04:15 |
| Win7Mac | yea, copied that. but thats just because of actual personell | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do you think anybody who's stating >>After all those problems the word HiFo means the pure evil for me<< is willing to stand for BoD elections, to end in same entity with RMB? | 04:17 |
| Win7Mac | with RMB? | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RM Bauer? | 04:18 |
| Win7Mac | why is with hih mandatory? | 04:18 |
| Win7Mac | +with him, dang | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not mandatory, just a possibility | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and not even an unlikely one | 04:19 |
| Win7Mac | got that | 04:19 |
| Win7Mac | so, we just need enough candidates and GA just made a move! | 04:21 |
| Win7Mac | Doc, honestly, give yourself a push for good... | 04:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | look, i had all this sorted some 6..8 weeks ago, I even had a half a dozen willing candidates just waiting to self-nominate as soon as elections got sorted. HFC missed/messed it | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm ***DEFINITELY** out of all that | 04:24 |
| Win7Mac | no unwilling? | 04:24 |
| Win7Mac | *now | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 04:24 |
| Win7Mac | hmm | 04:25 |
| Win7Mac | what's the difference? | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I failed to deliver | 04:25 |
| Win7Mac | smart as you are I'm sure you'll find a way to re-asure them! | 04:27 |
| Win7Mac | at least try | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I made assurances that I thought would almost impossible to break, like HFC picking up on BoD running elections during 14 days after own election | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and NO, se above | 04:28 |
| Win7Mac | i mean honestly wahts the difference? | 04:28 |
| Win7Mac | result will be the same | 04:28 |
| Win7Mac | just delayed | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm thru with all that | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and former HiFo alienated community and Nokia so much that now it's really hard to see what for we need a HiFo at all | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I even start to ponder what's worse, HiFo or Nokia owning the domain and the server | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia facilitated shipping server to IPHH, HiFo/Rob not only didn't help on that but actually tried to stop Falk from installing it. Ask me from whom I anticipate less stress regarding maemo.org infra maintenance | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (ok. Rob said that eventually HiFo would compensate me/Falk for shipping costs) | 04:40 |
| Win7Mac | just lets make sure we'll get a proper BoD in place, sailfish might open some doors | 04:41 |
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| Win7Mac | i wonder though, why there's not more devs interested | 04:43 |
| Win7Mac | in elections no matter council or BoD | 04:44 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Win7Mac, too much toxicity for too long. | 04:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | You could see it in this channel with the release of Harmattan. | 04:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | let me tell you a story. some years ago I pondered writing a commercial app LeastCostRouter that decides which account (GSM, SIP1, SIP2...) to use for outbound calls on N900. For such a thing to work properly I would've needed a way to intercept the call-establish dbus messages from dialer to the telepathy deamon that handles all that call stuff. Or even better have a hook in telepathy to register a callback function or sth, that gets | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | executed on every call-establish to cook the number/account before telepathy establishes it. So I asked the telepathy guys in Colabora Inc(?) who created the fremantle telepathy how to implement such thing. The answer been "meh, why do you want to do that for N900? come to harmattan and get a patch to telepathy there, and everything will be fine". They outright refused to consider N900 a worthwhile platform for any such improvement and | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actively tried to lure all devels into HARM and abandon fremantle. | 05:03 |
| Win7Mac | i just don't get how people could spill poison for things they have no influece on like HARM simply beeing there as a kind of "progress" Nokia made on maemo. kind of same situation with sailfish now | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see my ^^^ last post | 05:04 |
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| rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: with a major platform change, it's pretty much desperation to get devs on HARM. | 05:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 05:05 |
| Win7Mac | if we get sailfish on N9, community will freak out :O | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | long ago: "if we get harmattan on N900, community will freak out" | 05:09 |
| rikanee | well, this time community's holding its breath for Jolla instead of watching the slow trainwreck that happened with the N9. | 05:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "...or `how i learned to love the bomb´" tmo post anybody? | 05:11 |
| Win7Mac | i don't expect though, so i won't be disappointed if that doesn't come for N9 | 05:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | I suspect what it's going to come down to is, "Feel free to build an image for N9/N950 from Mer/Nemo." | 05:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 1000% sure | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | They're missing a bigger opportunity than they realize pursuing this slow reveal shit. | 05:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | While the Maemo/MeeGo community moves on to Blackberry and co. | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | But, they need people to buy their phone. | 05:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | For me, that's a small price to pay for a company that (potentially) actually cares about having me as a customer. | 05:14 |
| rikanee | GeneralAntilles: they've already gone on the record to say that they're not officially building an image for N9/50, people running Sailfish on N9 with comparable performance would really eat into their sales. | 05:14 |
| Win7Mac | well thats bad news :( | 05:16 |
| rikanee | but the hardware adaptation's already done, so assuming they don't password-protect the Sailfish repos, anyone sufficiently dedicated can "zypper install mp-sailfish-999-pr" | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1312055#post1312055 | 05:16 |
| GeneralAntilles | Meh, it's 2009-era hardware anyway. | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>A suggestion to Jolla regarding this: you could port sailfish to N900 as a technology preview...<< | 05:16 |
| rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: 'lol.' | 05:17 |
| rikanee | Fremantle on qemu-system-rx51 would run faster than that. | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eh? | 05:18 |
| rikanee | AIUI Sailfish is compositing-heavy, which the N900's GPU drivers would not appreciate (RAM would seriously lack, too) | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, if compositing (in a way that N900 couldn't do) is a mandatory core system requirement of sailfish, then they already have done sth stillborn | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure RAM limitations would most likely slow down stuff massively | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we see that on fremantle all the time, don't we? | 05:22 |
| Win7Mac | OMG, dawn comes around... good night all | 05:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ...but if they're not even able to run desktop plus one app in a 256MB of RAM, then they also did fail on building a even semi-decent system. Heck I ran a full featured linux on a laptop with 192MB ram and a slooow HDD, powered by a P-II300 | 05:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and sure openoffice took ~3min to start, but so what, once it been started it worked excellent | 05:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I accepted the 3 min load time since I knew about my hw | 05:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and in the end, if sailfish would work *too smooth* on N900, there wasn't a motivation to buy a jolla device, eh? | 05:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what would jolla lose by porting sailfish to N900? | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after all a decent OS should run on a platform half the CPU grunt and RAM size of your target platform you want to ship it on. Otherwise there's no headroom left to do anything useful with the device, once you go beyond the factory default | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "sorry, no multitasking, no desktop applets - the system is already at 100% with doing what it _must_ do anyway" | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a warranty for disgruntled customers | 05:36 |
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| lolgnu | Does N950 run Maemo? | 13:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | it runs harmattan | 13:55 |
| SpeedEvil | which is a version of maemo, with at least some commonalities | 13:56 |
| SpeedEvil | basically same as n9 | 13:56 |
| andre__ | Harmattan is a mix between Maemo and MeeGo. Technically more Maemo though. | 14:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~moo | 14:45 |
| infobot | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo moo | 14:46 |
| infobot | moo -- created by mgeary <n=mgeary@166.70.44.49> at Fri Sep 28 15:18:07 2007 (2074 days); last modified at Thu Apr 18 20:21:06 2013 by cirdan!~chris@c-68-45-49-242.hsd1.nj.comcast.net; it has been requested 270 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 44s ago. | 14:46 |
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| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: do you actually ever sleep?? | 15:48 |
| inz | vi__, he doesn't sleep, he waits | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | poll() | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or select() | 15:48 |
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| Wizzup | epoll()? :D | 16:00 |
| inz | epoll() ftw | 16:00 |
| inz | damn | 16:00 |
| inz | or actually epoll_wait() | 16:00 |
| Wizzup | yeah | 16:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, spam attack d-day | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hope the whiteheads soon track down and nuke this friggin new spambot network, and the guys with the black helicopers shoot the idiots running it | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and sb is raping wiki VM | 16:43 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Dear council, you should use a meetingbot. | 16:51 |
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| Win7Mac | Can somebody put the banner on maemo.org please: http://i.imgur.com/lo5ppVe.png | 16:55 |
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| Win7Mac | or who do I have to contact for that? | 16:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | Back in the day, you could've filled an enhancement request. :D | 16:58 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, are the website bugzilla components pointing to the right owners? | 16:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or is bmo just completely down these days? | 16:59 |
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| Win7Mac | bugzilla.m.o loads for ages, then "connection reset" | 17:04 |
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| Win7Mac | so who can I ask to put the banner on m.o please? | 17:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | err | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: which meetingbot? and who's going to provide, maintain, and *use* it? | 17:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Doesn't Stskeeps have one operational? | 17:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | chem|st will use it, being chair and all. | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stskeeps is not exactly helping maemo anymore | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: I might look into it. We have no dedicated maintainer for that domain/topic | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (bugs.m.o) works here | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not exactly lightning fast but it seems wiki VM is getting raped by sth recently | 17:25 |
| Win7Mac | bugs.m.o works here too. sorry, tried bugzilla.m.o | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: (website bugzilla components) no idea. I tried to sort that out, but failed to understand how bugzilla assigns owners to components | 17:27 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, I think I can remember how to get that worked out if somebody wants to provide me with a list of component owners. | 17:28 |
| Win7Mac | Woody14619, please let us know here when karma is supposed to work again | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why? | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's so important about karma? btw as long as wiki fails to list contributions per user, I think karma _cannot_ work | 17:31 |
| Win7Mac | why not? | 17:32 |
| vi__ | we should abolish karma along with TMO thanks. | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | isn't that obvious? | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | karma calculation based in parts on contributions to wiki | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so when wiki can't list those, how is karma supposed to work? | 17:33 |
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| Win7Mac | It would be nice if it just worked, so everybody can check in order of the upcoming election | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know of a lot of things nice to have ;-) | 17:34 |
| Win7Mac | how is it supposed? no idea - woody just said it might work by today | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably he missed a few details then | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or *I* missed sth | 17:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | MWKN should publish in about 24 minutes. | 17:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | HOPE I DIDN'T HAVE ANY TYPOS | 17:36 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: karma is no solely generated from wiki so if at least some krama calc works again it is better than nothing... | 17:36 |
| Win7Mac | thanks GeneralAntilles | 17:37 |
| chem|st | GeneralAntilles: I do not have a meetingbot at hand | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: karma always provided *some* values. Alas worthless since it's not what it used to be | 17:38 |
| Win7Mac | chem|st, thanks for putting the banner on tmo, could you do the same on mo? | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no he can't | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since he has no admin permissions there | 17:39 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: and again... I am no admin of m.o I am talkmaster only | 17:39 |
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| Win7Mac | ok, then I hope you find the time for it | 17:39 |
| Win7Mac | *Doc | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just busy with checking bugzilla.m.o, wiki.m.o, and karma ;-P | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while doing chats on IRC in ~8 chan | 17:41 |
| Win7Mac | well, first things first... | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | point me to a locations where I can read what to do | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: it's been you who put all four topics on my todo list | 17:42 |
| Win7Mac | I'm honored... ;-) | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who decided to put a banner on m.o? where's that documented? who decided _which_ banner to put there? where's that banner? where shall it get placed to? | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and why do we need karma for that? | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | does karma work now or not? | 17:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | do I need to talk to woody about that? | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and why the HECK is today international spam day? | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I already tagged 30some spams today that made it to my visible accounts | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for sure 10 times more than usually | 17:47 |
| Win7Mac | If you can, put it on http://maemo.org/ above "Get involved" right hand side or in the news below "Downloads for Maemo5". where's that documented? - no idea | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and where the heck are all those paypal and normal bank account donations of 10€, 20€ that I need to fill into a spreadsheet and comment on them. Where are the invoices of skeiron, where the other invoices? | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "all those" ~= 4, but anyway I need to spot them in last 7 months of banks account balances | 17:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Somebody should take up the task of updating the various about/informational copy on maemo.org | 17:50 |
| Win7Mac | actually karma is not updated yet. You can always check my prfile: http://maemo.org/profile/view/win7mac/ As long as it says 3 you know its not working yet | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: huh? | 17:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The About page, for instance. | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | great! now I know nothing changed in karma | 17:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | s/About/Intro/ | 17:51 |
| infobot | GeneralAntilles meant: The Intro page, for instance. | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: I can't make a workingpoint/ticket from that sparse info | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: URL, diff, please! | 17:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, yeah, that sounds suspiciously like me volunteering. | 17:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'll look at it. | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, thanks | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | spam #39 | 17:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, why doesn't spamassassin or kmail allow simple definition of a filter ($mail.header.charset()=="kyrillian")? | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/header/subject/ | 17:56 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: honestly, why doesn't spamassassin or kmail allow simple definition of a filter ($mail.subject.charset()=="kyrillian")? | 17:56 |
| Win7Mac | the spam is coming in where? from different IPs? | 18:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | where: council for example. IP: you never know for sure | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I stoped analyzing SPAM headers long ago | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't help for anything, except if you feel like needing a headache | 18:02 |
| Win7Mac | I suspect all the kyrillian spam comes from same IP so you could filter that | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I usually don't need, I already _got_ a headache from other stuff | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: http://privatepaste.com/dea90e5c3a good luck! - though, you gave me an idea how to filter for Cyrillic subjects | 18:11 |
| vi__ | wtf is going on in turkey? | 18:11 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: Just ban the whole sybnet. | 18:12 |
| vi__ | ^subnet. | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eh? and next subject sure is exactly same, right? | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh subnet, which subnet? | 18:12 |
| vi__ | whatever one the spam is coming from. | 18:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | 111.67.*.*? | 18:13 |
| vi__ | yes | 18:13 |
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| Win7Mac | kadrofutcheti@mail.ru and/or 111.67.203.*** | 18:13 |
| vi__ | just ban *.ru | 18:14 |
| Win7Mac | hehe | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi__: yeah, that sounds more like it | 18:14 |
| vi__ | In fact, ban anywhere east of Bulgaria. | 18:14 |
| Win7Mac | you got a wildcard for *@maemo.org? or why nobody@maemo.org even gets forwarded? | 18:15 |
| Win7Mac | wildcard is not exactly good regarding spam | 18:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | next spam | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn you kmail, of course I can't search/filter for raw encoding in subject | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like "=?Windows-1251" | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might need grep to do that for kmail :-S | 18:37 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | mmm, spam sandwiches :) | 19:42 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: you can filter by Content-Type header where is also encoding | 19:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: while this might be generally true, it alas doesn't apply for spam | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Subject: =?Windows-1251?B?x+D56PJhIO/w4OIgY2/hY/Li5e3t7vHy6A==?= | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, right, this one _has_ Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1251 | 19:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but... "<subject> [matches regex] '.*[ае].*'" | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I should set up a looong list of such "sucject matches regex" filter rules | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "sex" | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ".*[ае].*" | 20:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | "moments of" "intimate" "pleas.*" | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2Loans" | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "med" | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "pharma" | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I had hoped for spamassassin doing such filtering for me | 20:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe even better: "<subject> [does not match regex] '.*[aeioustrnl].*'" | 20:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I know there may not be anybody that can help but there is clearly an autobuilder/repo issue with this package http://maemo.org/packages/view/lanterne/ | 20:15 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Updates do not show and the package event section is bonkers! | 20:16 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Surely the above issue is putting excessive load on infra. | 20:28 |
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| Win7Mac | DocScrutinizer05, for placing the banner, found some info on Updating m.o sites: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_team/Updating_maemo.org_sites | 22:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wow, outdated but great. thanks a lot | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: please share URLs or whatever | 22:25 |
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| Woody14619 | Win7Mac, Sorry, the weekend did not go as planned, so karma is still busted. But I think I have a good lead on how to fix it. Just need the time to do it. | 23:10 |
| zammy | hi | 23:10 |
| zammy | on smscon the mailserver part | 23:10 |
| zammy | which shall I enter | 23:10 |
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| zammy | outgoing server or ingoingù' | 23:10 |
| zammy | ? | 23:10 |
| Win7Mac | Woody14619, thanks for the update. Hope you can fix it anytime soon before nomination period ends | 23:14 |
| Woody14619 | I'm hopefull, but can't guarrantee it right now. Too many RL things that could pull me away that are frankly more important. Worst case, you can compute your own. The wiki has a page describing the computation. The only parts missing are wiki edits, brainstorms, and "itt"(tmp) posts/thanks. Those stats you can get from your profile info on the respective services pretty easily. | 23:16 |
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| Win7Mac | Woody14619, comprehend the RL things. it would just be nice to have, not really important though. Thanks anyway. Oh and let us know in case a BoD meeting finally happens. | 23:39 |
| Win7Mac | GA renew his self-nomination, prolly you do the same just to be on the safe side. Up for some other nominations besides yourself? All the best! | 23:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Win7Mac, why don't you nominate? ;) | 23:51 |
| Win7Mac | there's more talented guys around I hope | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not enough, so far. :) | 23:53 |
| Win7Mac | it just started | 23:53 |
| Win7Mac | we need a banner on every *.m.o startpage | 23:54 |
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