IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2013-01-31

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wirrcheck it out: contribute, fix, extend, link, whatever - have fun with it01:19
wirrah, and if someone's willing to proofread and test would be nice01:19
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sixwheeledbeastwirr: not suppose to use profiles like "ideal" in KP anymore01:23
sixwheeledbeastand links for swap tweaks go to 720p page01:25
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wirrsixwheeledbeast, swap links fixed, thanks01:29
Lava_Croftdont think that list of essential software packages should be there too01:29
Lava_Croftsince its just a personal preference01:29
wirrsixwheeledbeast, what's the recommended way of replacing profiles like "ideal" and such?01:30
Lava_Croftand stuff like backupmenu is so much more important than say, fmboost01:30
sixwheeledbeastTBH I think a lots is personal01:30
Lava_Croftthat its a bit weird to havfe it in the same section01:30
wirrLava_Croft, agreed01:30
wirrshould definitely split it up01:30
Lava_Croftsplit it up in essential and recommended01:30
sixwheeledbeastmany have done this before but put them in there user area of the wiki.01:30
Lava_Croftas a bonus, you get not ONE but TWO things you can not agree upon!01:30
sixwheeledbeastwirr: smartreflex does it automatically upto 805Mhz IIRC if you have KP50>01:31
Lava_Crofti mean, ttf-nokiapure01:32
Lava_Croftwhy is that even in that list01:32
wirrbasically you find anything on wiki and tmo. i would like to collect best practice to allow anyone to have on optimal setup, starting from ground up. this is why i included some personal recommendations as well. i'd prefer if we could have a vote or something what packages are considered 'recommended'01:32
Lava_Croftand swappolube?01:33
wirrttf-nokiapure: i'll throw it out01:33
wirrswappolube i put it in because of some sd card related tweaks i'll add later01:33
Lava_Croftand i think if DocScrutinizer05 sees you recommend busybox-power...01:33
Lava_Crofthe will go mental01:33
wirrbusybox-power is basically a requirement for the encryption setup01:34
Lava_Croftand maybe i missed something, but where is there two flashlight related apps in the list?01:34
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Lava_Croftand while we are on the subject of apps that are recommended01:35
Lava_Croftwhere is fcam, hdr and lowlight01:35
Lava_Croftill quit, or else we are discussing this for hours to come:D01:35
Lava_Croftat least its a good thing you are doing01:35
Lava_Croftmight save people a lot of time01:35
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sixwheeledbeastI wouldn't use fcam, hdr or lowlight01:38
Skry+1 for camera-lens-launcher01:38
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wirrok guys, I got your point - I'll clean up the app recommendations. still I'd think we should have some recommended base packages we can more or less agree on01:41
wirrSkry, Lava_Croft cl-launcher segfaults on cssu-thumb (at least on my phone)01:41
wirrthat's why there is flashlight-extras-gtk01:41
Lava_Croftnot on mine01:41
Skrynot on mine neither01:41
Lava_Croftworks flawlessly here, always has01:41
wirrgood to hear01:41
wirrnevertheless, any known issues with cl-launcher?01:42
Lava_Croftor, in the spirit of a true case of linux troubleshooting:01:42
Lava_CroftW F M! :)01:42
Skrywirr: how about just making a categorized list of generally recommended apps01:43
wirrsounds good to me. you're willing to start it?01:43
Skrywell, if you don't want to then why not01:44
wirrsixwheeledbeast, I have no experience with smartreflex, could you rewrite the section about kernel-power-settings, please?01:44
wirrSkry, just to get that list started - as i've been working on this for the last four hours I start to get tired ;-)01:45
sixwheeledbeastwirr: install KP50> without KPS job done. No tweaking profiles anymore.01:45
wirrsixwheeledbeast, srsly? no kps and I get overclocking and undervolting _by default_?!01:46
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wirrso that's with cssu-thumb as well i suppose, as it's based on kp51r101:46
sixwheeledbeastwirr: KPS if you need to over/underclock, but no tweaking voltages manually just clock speed.01:47
sixwheeledbeaston the smartreflex wiki01:47
sixwheeledbeasti wouldn't recommend a overclock to *all* anyway.01:48
Skryyeah, I wouldn't recommend overclocking to anyone.01:48
Skrywirr: I can write up something, not now though, heading to bed, ravaged by flu01:49
Skryso, gn everyone01:50
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wirrsixwheeledbeast, overclock: meh, undervolting: yipee!01:55
wirrSkry, thanks - no hurry... gn01:56
wirrsixwheeledbeast, but again, that's my personal preference01:56
wirrI'll include both options I think01:56
sixwheeledbeastwirr: no need to undervolt is the point, fmg didn't get VDD1/2 smartreflex working for nothing.01:57
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wirryep, I read some of his experience on tmo. if it's more efficient than undervolting then even the merrier!01:58
sixwheeledbeastthat's the thing with maemo not one device is the same, there is no perfect setup.01:58
wirrnot the same as in different hardware revisions?01:59
wirror crappy qa?01:59
sixwheeledbeastI do like the idea of the wiki tho some tweaks are done by most01:59
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wirrthat's what i thought01:59
sixwheeledbeastI mean everyone has a different basic setup02:00
Lava_Croftthe idea is that new users like myself 3 years ago, dont have to spend a month googling and browsing ITT02:00
Lava_Crofttrying to gather a collection of n900 tweaks02:00
Lava_Croftit was so awful02:00
* wirr nods02:00
Lava_Croftand then a week after you did tweakX02:00
Lava_Croftyou found out tweakX was actually horrible and you should have done tweakY02:01
wirr*patches anyone?02:01
Lava_Croftit will go a long way to have a single wiki page for this02:01
sixwheeledbeastthere are possibly wikis out there already02:01
sixwheeledbeastcustomizing maemo is one.02:02
sixwheeledbeastwirr: maybe update the customizing maemo page?02:02
wirrthough it's more focused on appearance settings it seems to me02:03
wirrmy idea was more to get people started in building a fast, power-saving and secure system02:03
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wirranywho... let's see into what it develops. would enjoy seeing you guys contribute your experience to it02:09
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sixwheeledbeastwirr: I will have a look maybe tomorrow. I think a brief paragraph and links to xyz wiki page is the best way to go.02:12
wirrcool... thanks - night02:13
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initech99hello i'm trying to use the skeiron extras mirror 3 repo but i'm getting a "sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)" error05:30
initech99somebody can help?05:30
SpeedEvilman gzio05:30
SpeedEvilwhat's error code 105:30
SpeedEvilpossibly file corrupt05:30
initech99i can't find a list of gzip errors in the man page05:33
initech99but doing the update again i get the same error05:34
initech99i just flashed my nokia n900 and i need rootsh05:34
initech99bad timing i guess...05:34
initech99for everybody else the repos works fine?05:36
SpeedEvilon reflection05:42
SpeedEvilit's quite possible the repos are having an issue right now05:42
SpeedEvilI'd have to get out of bed to check, and ...05:43
initech99mmh than i guess i'll just wait05:44
initech99i should get some sleep too,it' almost 5 in the morning here...05:45
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DocScrutinizer05(recommended apps) I'm smelling loooong discussions what's indispensable for daily usage and what's geek shit. How about a list of *deprecated* apps instead?06:25
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DocScrutinizer05I already know two: powerpatch, speedpatch06:26
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DocScrutinizer05and honestly, any such list (recommended) is always *personal* (recommended by *whom*), and accordingly it should get represented on wiki06:28
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infobotmethinks jrtools is
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DocScrutinizer05a "public" and "official" wikipage always aiming for the one and only truth, and everybody will vandalize it to correct the "obvious errors" when it comes to something as individual as a list of most useful apps06:30
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DocScrutinizer05hey, if I wanna know which app most users think is useful, I go to ~packages and check for top of download-hitlist06:32
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DocScrutinizer05if I wanna know which apps wirr thinks are most useful, I go to Users:wirr06:33
DocScrutinizer05please don't start such dogfight topic on a "official website", since it's not really backed up by anything or anybody. Nobody elected for those apps in any proper election, nobody appointed the editors of such page as being the ultimate experts either06:35
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DocScrutinizer05what do you expect the BlessN900 devels to do when you place fcam on that page?06:36
DocScrutinizer05this will NOT end good06:36
DocScrutinizer05ends in a lot of bickering and fights, and nobody benefiting from it in the end06:37
DocScrutinizer05and I'm not even starting with more basic questions like "is busybox a good or a silly app in sense of unix spirit?"06:41
infobotmessy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils06:42
DocScrutinizer05unix way is to have lots of small specialized though general purpose tools that you compine to your liking. Monolithic blobs like busybox are the windows way to implement things06:43
DocScrutinizer05and since ls is still buggy in busybox power, we gonna invent my-acme-ls and ship that package as well then?06:44
DocScrutinizer05since no sane devel interested in fixin ls will look into busybox power to do so06:45
DocScrutinizer05that's a straight highway into windows hell06:47
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DocScrutinizer05wirr: pretty please use a filemanager and have a look into your hildon-backup files, you'll find an extremely convenient and ready-made way to deploy package/app-sets. I suggested several times somebody to simply make such a backup file with his favourite apps and deploy it for other users06:52
DocScrutinizer05you're aware that hildon-backup only stores a *list of apps* to re-install on restore, it does NOT store the app binaries06:53
DocScrutinizer05and, as icing on top, user can deselect particular apps during restore, so they won't get installed06:54
DocScrutinizer05the only way in HAM to first select/deselect on a huge number of packages and then run the whole batch for unattended installation06:55
DocScrutinizer05once such a "package" been built and published under "wirr's favorites", you bet a week later there will be a clone "kerio's favorites"06:56
DocScrutinizer05or whomever it may tickle06:56
DocScrutinizer05and eventually we even might come up with "cssu recommended"06:57
DocScrutinizer05and I bet somebody will create "2012 most wanted"06:58
DocScrutinizer05or "the spy collection", you name it06:59
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damo22hi i just got myself a N900, its currently charging up... :D  where can i read about upgrading its software to the latest maemo, also i want to do some development so I want to root the device and run linux stuff on it... where can i find the howtos?07:04
DocScrutinizer05welcome damo2207:04
DocScrutinizer051st: your N900 doesn't need any "rooting", it's already open, just missing a small package called rootsh you need to install to get the commands "root" and "sudo gainroot"07:06
DocScrutinizer05runing "linux stuff" is possible without that "root account2 generally07:06
DocScrutinizer05runing "linux stuff" is possible without that "root account" generally07:06
damo22yeah, but i want root on my own phone :D07:07
* freemangordon thinks n900 runs "linux stuff" all the time :)07:07
damo22this is so cool :D07:08
DocScrutinizer05you can install all the wealth of gnu-utils readily. And you can run all stuff like ls and ps and mc and whatever "unix stuff" you can think of, without rootsh, just some of those my need root permissions to do what you want them to do. I'm sure you're aware of this basic concept07:08
damo22yeah, i do a bit of kernel stuff i think i know my way around *nix :)07:09
freemangordondamo22: for allowing "root" and "sudo gainroot commands" open in microb07:09
DocScrutinizer05damo22: alas you picked a very poor point in time to start with your exciting maemo adventures, since due to migration away from Nokia and towards 100% community driven, some of the resources are... flawed07:09
freemangordonthat one too :)07:10
damo22but it will be fun to play with a fully fledged system that is my own phone07:10
DocScrutinizer05you bet it is07:10
DocScrutinizer05I'm enjoying this fun since 4 (?) years now and will never give up on it07:10
damo22is it possible to use the small usb port as a host controller?07:11
DocScrutinizer05"from my dead cold haaaaands!"07:11
freemangordondamo22: you bet it is07:11
DocScrutinizer05yes, I made that possible, see H-E-N07:11
damo22how much power can i draw from the usb port07:12
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: current protection kicks in above that, ain;t?07:12
DocScrutinizer05cut out07:13
damo22i was thinking of making a fully fledged audio recording device07:13
damo22using external usb sound card07:13
DocScrutinizer05I'm actually interested in that07:13
freemangordondamo22: there is a thread on about that07:14
damo22i already wrote a kernel alsa driver quirk for this card07:14
damo22its made by digidesign07:14
freemangordondamo22: I guess you want to install kernel-power07:14
DocScrutinizer05yeah damo22, you're speakeing with one of the two guys you need to know and make friens, for your project: freemangordon07:15
DocScrutinizer05pali is the other guy and main maintainer of powerkernel07:15
DocScrutinizer05and for USB stuff, ping me or pali ;-)07:16
freemangordondamo22: being a kernel hacker, there is a piece of HW which sits unused in n900. A programmable filter that is07:16
damo22programmable filter?07:16
damo22as in audio filter?07:16
freemangordonyes. there is a patch which enables it, but unfortunately it is incomplete07:16
DocScrutinizer05ohnoes, please not "the digital filter in codec: sequel #4"07:17
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: I am talking about HW audio filter07:17
DocScrutinizer05or actually, go ahead07:17
damo22well ive already written some digital filters using biquad stuff but its cpu driven07:17
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: that's the digital parametric filter in codec I spoke of07:18
DocScrutinizer05there are actually two of them07:18
freemangordondamo22: the patch needs filtering bands calculated, otherwise it is functional aiui07:18
DocScrutinizer05one full parametric one, plus an emphasis one07:18
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: aah, ok. still having my first coffee, you know :)07:18
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: two of them?07:19
damo22this could be fun07:19
damo22HW audio filtering07:19
damo22via alsa?07:19
freemangordondamo22: now it is PA plugin which does highpass filtering ( speaker protection)07:20
freemangordondamo22: I guiess there is no als plugin for that07:20
damo22i know that musicdsp site07:20
damo22we implemented it in Calf plugins07:21
damo22i made a phono RIAA filter using bilinear transform too07:21
damo22that was fun07:22
DocScrutinizer05yeah, that's what the de-emphasis filter is for07:22
DocScrutinizer05the smaller one of the two (if I'm not completely making that up now)07:22
damo22so youre saying that the N900 has a hardware codec that can do filtering but the coefficients arent calculated yet?07:23
damo22what kind of curve do we need07:23
DocScrutinizer05that's the question07:23
DocScrutinizer05where things came to a grinding halt07:23
DocScrutinizer05since evrybody wanted a graphic EQ07:24
damo22well you probably dont need that07:24
DocScrutinizer05and that's wirtually impossible with that stuff07:24
damo22not really, i made a calculation tool that generates coefficients on the fly from analog parameters07:25
DocScrutinizer05yo da man07:25
freemangordonhere is the patch07:26
damo22but we didnt end up using it, because someone else already implemented it before in Calf plugins07:26
DocScrutinizer05i *think* we already have access to the coefficients07:26
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damo22its a C++ class called biquad07:26
DocScrutinizer05sounds familiar07:26
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freemangordonooh, "The filter can be controlled through an alsa hwdep device, via"07:27
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: toldya07:27
DocScrutinizer05i *think* we already have access to the coefficients07:27
DocScrutinizer05just hex number desert07:28
freemangordonso, what we need, correct algo for coeffs and gstreamer plugin?07:28
DocScrutinizer05it's years ago since I last touched that stuff07:28
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: this is on output only, isn't it?07:28
damo22hey cool, i can see how i can put my code in there07:29
DocScrutinizer05err, probably yes07:29
damo22but i dont know how to make the coefficients configurable07:29
DocScrutinizer05see aic34(?) datasheet, and N900 schematics07:29
damo22for example, i could add something in there that converts "#define LP_FC 200" into a set of coefficients for a lowpass filter at 200 Hz07:30
damo22but how would anyone change the value07:31
DocScrutinizer05   see  docs/hw/tlv320aic34.pdf07:31
DocScrutinizer05never post complete URL!07:31
freemangordondamo22: did you look at the patch?07:32
damo22freemangordon: yeah i had a glance07:32
freemangordon"Added functions to manipulate the filter's coeffs and enable/disable it,..."07:33
damo22oh geez07:33
freemangordon"hwdep device called "IIR Filter" added, documentation on how to use it..."07:33
freemangordonoh, there is matlab code there :D07:34
freemangordonto draw the freq responce07:34
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DocScrutinizer05In addition to the de-emphasis filter block, the DAC digital effects processing includes a fourth-order digital IIR filter with programmable coefficients (one set per channel). This filter is implemented as a cascade of two biquad sections with frequency response given by: <your eyes don't wanna see this on IRC>07:36
damo22Nx= numerator_x  Dx = denominator_x07:36
* freemangordon wonders if this can be used as an eq07:37
DocScrutinizer05well page 38 of tlv320aic34.pdf looks a tiny bit more *cough*07:37
damo22it can be used as an eq07:37
freemangordonhow may bands?07:37
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: a parametric EQ has no bands07:38
freemangordonbut do we have enough params for, lets say, 10 bands?07:38
DocScrutinizer05and a biquad IIR is not even a parametric EQ even07:38
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damo22a biquad IIR doesnt work too well with bass frequencies07:39
damo22if you try to use it in a narrow band07:39
freemangordonanyway, gtg, damo22, have fun with that :)07:40
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: how many bands has y=a1*x+a2*x^2+a3*x^3+a4*x^4 ?07:40
damo22its more like it can have up to 3 kinks07:40
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: hard to say, but I guess it can't be used as an EQ.07:40
freemangordonthis looks like a smooth function07:41
DocScrutinizer05that's the point of a parametric or biquad07:41
freemangordonno EQ then07:41
damo22its a polynomial quotient07:41
freemangordonanyway, bye for now07:41
damo22DocScrutinizer05: what is the benefit of the filter in hardware? would it not be more useful as a filter to protect the speakers07:44
damo22rather than being used as an eq07:44
damo22ie, just set a steep highpass at 20Hz and lowpass at 20kHz?07:45
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damo22set and forget07:46
DocScrutinizer05and aiui Nokia is already using it that way07:47
DocScrutinizer05parameters for that stuff are even on kernel's boot cmdline07:47
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DocScrutinizer05take the last staement with more than one grain of salt, I only know there's "something2 on kernel cmdline related to audio07:48
DocScrutinizer05btw 20Hz for highpass is a lot for those small speakers07:49
DocScrutinizer05more like 50Hz07:49
DocScrutinizer05maybe even 10007:49
DocScrutinizer05Nokia killed lots of speakers on their preprod protos, with that stuff ;-P07:49
damo22so is audio currently destroying peoples speakers?>07:50
DocScrutinizer05device has a class-D amp with no proper DC-blocking X-P07:50
* RST38h yawns07:50
DocScrutinizer05damo22: nope, now we got XPROT, some closed blob Nokia proprietary PA plugin07:51
DocScrutinizer05does dynamic limiting / compression and some filtering, so the gossip07:51
DocScrutinizer05kick it out and mess with ALSA dieectly and your speekers are at peril07:52
damo22i dont really mind about that, i want to attach external sound card07:52
* DocScrutinizer05 glances at his spare speakers07:52
DocScrutinizer05afaik XPROT only is in the audio pipe for speakers, not though for any other audio sink07:53
damo22but my sound card draws 500mA07:53
damo22so i will need to power it externally07:54
DocScrutinizer05Y-cable, external power plug on device, or popwered USB hub07:54
damo22ycable would be nice07:54
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders when coffee will kick in and if that will help for typos07:55
damo22i can get a ycable online?07:55
DocScrutinizer05used for each >2.5" drive07:55
DocScrutinizer05there's zillion07:56
DocScrutinizer05two USB-M plugs, one USB-F or mini/micro-USB-M07:56
DocScrutinizer05lemme find my awesome picture for you07:57
damo22how cool would it be to have 2 matched studio microphones hooked up to my N900 recording audio to the microSD07:57
DocScrutinizer05anyway here's already the augmented booston script that gives you indications of overcurrent etc, sorry for the show effects I built in ;-P
DocScrutinizer05dang, the externally stored pics are a PITA. OVI fileshare vanished, so did the photo in there08:01
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damo22awesome... any idea if i can get a sim card adapter for microsim -> ordinary sim08:03
DocScrutinizer05damo22: you also might want to learn about08:03
infobotrumour has it, cssu is
damo22i am selling my iphone lol08:04
DocScrutinizer05those sim card adapters are rather common nowadays, never use them in slot-in SIM holders though08:04
DocScrutinizer05luckily N900 has no slot-in08:04
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DocScrutinizer05stuff like is no news to you, I hope08:05
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DocScrutinizer05and, dunno if I already mentioned it, this page has some useful info, according to other users:08:07
infobotjrtools is, like,
DocScrutinizer05NEVER do apt-get dist-upgrade!08:07
damo22lol ok08:07
DocScrutinizer05NEVER do apt-get autoremove08:07
DocScrutinizer05maemo is "different"08:08
damo22right ok08:08
DocScrutinizer05ATM the standard repos are down, due to Nokia hitting the sack08:10
DocScrutinizer05so you either find your way around, or you wait for things to return to normal state08:10
infobotit has been said that mirror is
infoboti heard repo-down is, or
damo22very useful info!!08:11
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DocScrutinizer05I think just enough stuff to read for your first day on N900 :-)08:11
DocScrutinizer05consider to donate! ;-)
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damo22i will donate now, you already gave me a lot of help08:15
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DocScrutinizer05hey, the donation isn't for me and my help, it's for keeping your infra alive :-)08:21
damo22well i donated08:21
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DocScrutinizer05all of the above links wouldn't be sustainable without community donors08:22
damo22thanks Doc i gtg now08:24
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DocScrutinizer05(not sustainable) not even the mirrors, which work since some guys are willing to donor their "own" server stoarage space and bandwidth, skeiron even a dedicated server just for maemo backup only08:29
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: (not sustainable) not even the mirrors, which work since some guys are willing to donate their "own" server stoarage space and bandwidth, skeiron even a dedicated server just for maemo backup only08:30
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DocScrutinizer51ok, quite exactly 12h of 'idle' online via 3G, with xchat logged in to some 14 channels08:56
DocScrutinizer51not bad a battery standby time, eh?08:56
DocScrutinizer51actually I hardly can believe it08:57
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DocScrutinizer05just thought "uh? what a sound? OMG I forgot to plug n900 to charger last evening"08:58
DocScrutinizer05left home 12:20 ago for shopping, and switched to 3G to have a short look at maps. since then it been idling like that, since I disabled auto-switch-to-WLAN yesterday and thus it stayed on 3G even when I came back home09:00
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: enough with the "don't do autoremove", cssu-enabler fixes that09:59
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kerioevery package listed as a dependency in the nokia metapackage is marked as manually installed10:01
kerio(ty Pali)10:01
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: wtf is cssu-enabler ;-P10:11
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ropeuhey, I have a problem with the alarm clock. The alarm has no sound :(10:15
kerio: one that enables another to achieve an end; especially : one who enables another to persist in self-destructive behavior (as substance abuse) by providing excuses or by making it possible to avoid the consequences of such behavior10:15
kerioropeu: check the volume levels for it10:15
ropeu(fremantle cssu, n900)10:16
kerioDocScrutinizer05: i think that the definition of enabler fits perfectly10:16
ropeuwhere can I check the volume? normally the alarm always and there is no alarm in nomal profile with sound10:17
kerioropeu: hm, you're quite correct10:19
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kerioropeu: which cssu?10:19
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kerioi was about to make him pastebin the output of profileclient -v, for the record, and check clock.alarm.enabled10:32
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kerio(literally for the record)10:32
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DocScrutinizer05when I got a script A that's doing >>B&<<, and I call ssh foo@bar A; what need I to do in B to make ssh A terminate instantly?10:41
DocScrutinizer05I gather the question is: how do I deamonize B ?10:42
DocScrutinizer05so it's detached from parent A10:42
DocScrutinizer05since otherwise ssh doesn't return until B terminates10:43
DocScrutinizer05or am I completely wrong?10:43
keriodaemons aren't just put in background10:44
keriothey disconnect stdin/stdout/stderr and ignore hangup10:44
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DocScrutinizer05might "exec &>/dev/null </dev/null" suffice?10:44
DocScrutinizer05aaah ignore sighup10:44
kerioso... nohup, probably10:45
DocScrutinizer05meh, I hate nohup10:45
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kerioapparently you can double &10:45
keriolike (B &) &10:45
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kerioso B detaches from the tty10:45
DocScrutinizer05it does?10:45
kerioit's a tip from linux-mag, iunno10:46
keriotest it10:46
keriostill working on your dead man's switch?10:46
DocScrutinizer05that's a funny thing with testing, this is a live system, your maemo fw ;-)10:46
kerioclearly you shouldn't call "reboot" then10:46
keriocall "echo penis"10:46
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DocScrutinizer05echo &>dev/null ?10:47
keriocall mkdir ~doc/rebooted10:47
kerioor touch ~doc/rebooted10:47
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DocScrutinizer05meh, I'll go with orthodox trap "" sighup;10:48
DocScrutinizer05and exec &>/dev/null </dev7null10:48
keriohm, is outputting to devnull the same as closing?10:49
DocScrutinizer05err not exactly10:50
DocScrutinizer05I seem to recall exec semantics also included closing of stdin stdout stderr10:50
DocScrutinizer05forgot how to do that10:50
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DocScrutinizer05exec - execute commands and open, close, or copy file descriptors  - thanks posix manpage10:52
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DocScrutinizer05exec >&0 2>&0 <&010:54
DocScrutinizer05could have figured10:54
kerioisn't <&0 implied? :o10:55
DocScrutinizer05implied in what?10:55
kerioisn't 0 stdin?10:55
DocScrutinizer05err, you might be right there, yeah10:55
DocScrutinizer05dang, I need more coffee10:56
DocScrutinizer05exec >&- 2>&- <&-10:56
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thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: you'll love this:   User wants a multiboot with cssu and PwnPhone :D :D11:05
keriooh god why11:06
kerioyes, it's doable11:06
DocScrutinizer05I'll ask him if he wants pink ponies too11:06
keriobut if you're the kind of person who'd use pwnphone, you're not good enough11:06
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DocScrutinizer05pink pwnie11:08
thedead1440Anyone with a N810 please help on instructions of how to add temp mirror:
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DocScrutinizer05and i have 211:08
* thedead1440 thought those holding on to N810s wouldn't have such issues11:09
DocScrutinizer05I was strictly dumbass user on N81011:09
thedead1440well you aren't now so you can help him out :D11:10
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DocScrutinizer05no clue about maemo4 though11:10
DocScrutinizer05ask ShadowJK11:10
keriohow to fix n810: sell n810, buy n90011:12
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DocScrutinizer05oops, wall is nasty11:17
DocScrutinizer05I entered panic mode on fw, since my *local* tests spammed the ssh screen with "warning! rebooting in 5min"11:18
DocScrutinizer05jr@halebop:~> ssh newtmo ssh root@fw ./reboot111:20
DocScrutinizer05reboot2: no process killed11:20
DocScrutinizer05that's the way I like it11:20
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: don't chain sshs :(11:21
DocScrutinizer05kerio: why not?11:21
keriobecause the data from fw to halebop is also decrypted on newtmo11:22
kerioextra security risk, extra used cpu11:22
keriook no, there's no extra used cpu11:22
keriobut it's a risk!1!111:22
DocScrutinizer05:shrug: any other idea how to reach behind the fw?11:22
keriossh -oProxyCommand="ssh newtmo nc %h %p" root@fw11:23
kerio(ideally you'd put that in your .ssh/config11:23
kerioHost fw/HostName fw/User root/ProxyCommand ssh newtmo nc %h %p11:24
kerioand then ssh fw11:24
keriossh config is fucking sweet11:24
DocScrutinizer05I'm rather happy to have *any* access to that friggin fw, after fussing around with .ssh permissions and ssh-agent and whatnot11:25
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DocScrutinizer05I still can't access fw from newly started xterm instances, only from a 6 weeks old one11:25
kerioDocScrutinizer05: just copy your in .ssh/authorized_keys11:26
Sicelowe have a most incredible fw :-/11:26
DocScrutinizer05kerio: yeah, and then wonder wtf one of my xterms allows acces to machine A, B, and C, while the other one only allows access to A and C11:27
kerioDocScrutinizer05: do you have a separate identity file for the fw?11:27
DocScrutinizer05just a new general purpose rsa key11:28
keriooh, actually11:28
keriowhy do you have to pass through newtmo?11:28
kerioit's an issue of agent key passthrough11:28
keriowhich is something that was made up for people who don't properly proxy their ssh connections, and instead do ssh newtmo ssh root@fw11:29
kerio( >:c )11:29
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: try ssh -oProxyCommand="ssh newtmo nc %h %p" root@fw in a new xterm11:30
DocScrutinizer05dang, I never had a need for that before I touched this maemo FW a few days ago11:30
keriothe nested ssh is ran by doc@newtmo, you can't expect *that* to have keys to the firewall11:31
Sicelowhat exactly is happening to the fw? vm  goes down?11:31
DocScrutinizer05kerio: you're my hero of the day :-)11:31
kerioif you have a properly-configured agent, the key from doc@halebop will be passed through11:31
keriowhich is fairly neat11:31
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DocScrutinizer05while sleep 1800; do ssh -oProxyCommand="ssh newtmo nc %h %p" root@fw ./reboot1; done11:35
DocScrutinizer05root@MaemoFirewall:~ # cat reboot111:35
DocScrutinizer05killall reboot211:35
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DocScrutinizer05the nice thing is: it enables and tickles the reboot2 "watchdog". So when local while loop doesn't run and calls reboot1, no bootloop will happen after first reboot on FW11:37
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keriothat might be bad, too11:42
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DocScrutinizer05how might that be bad?11:47
DocScrutinizer05except for the max 910s delay after a reboot until watchdog gets engaged?11:48
DocScrutinizer05(I chnaged sleep in my local loop to 910)11:48
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: if your computer ends up under a bus, we won't have any reboots! D:11:50
DocScrutinizer05well, til 2h ago you wouldn't have any reboots at all11:51
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DocScrutinizer05any with sustaining this constant semi-manual monitoring of FW, and running from "random places to my terminal at home, to give the almost dead FW a revivla boot, *I* would end under a bus in 2 days11:53
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: any with sustaining this constant semi-manual monitoring of FW, and running from $random places to my terminal at home, to give the almost dead FW a revivla boot, *I* would end under a bus in 2 days11:54
M4rtinKDocScrutinizer05: Thanks a lot for keeping Maemo alive ! :)11:57
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: what's the RMO situation at the moment? who are we waiting for?13:29
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DocScrutinizer05the "grid guy" aiui. last (related) msg from Eero been [2013-01-28 10:41:00] <mashiara> ok, stage now has an external vif that is configured but not up, local iptables needs still to be configured. (and [2013-01-28 10:58:32] <mashiara> oh, I *will* take time off when things quiet down enough for it)13:36
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* ShadowJK hasn't (un/re)installed anything on N8x0 for couple of years now16:31
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DocScrutinizer05[sidenote] prepare for FW reboot during next 30min17:03
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keriomy body is ready17:07
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Lava_Crofttime for the unfusion, kerio17:20
Lava_Croftlay back and relax17:21
Lava_Croftthis might sting17:21
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DocScrutinizer05[sidenote] FW rebooted. Tomorrow we finally might get another try on repository.maemo.org17:31
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Lava_Croft \o/17:41
DocScrutinizer05courtesy warfare17:41
DocScrutinizer05warfare: don't forget tomoorow council meeting ;-)17:42
DocScrutinizer051800, UTC!17:42
DocScrutinizer05that's 1900CET17:43
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chem|stquoting ppl sending via talk webinterface "each time m tring to connect my yappari,its always tells me connection timed out.  i wil like to know wht the reason was nd what18:06
chem|stremedy can be proffer to it18:06
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chem|stbtw I do not fscking care if any of your scientology-fsck-apps do not work!18:08
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kerioscientology? :o18:09
thedead1440Sc0rpius: ^^^ Yappari issue :D18:11
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DocScrutinizer05chem|st: I feel with you18:19
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DocScrutinizer05chem|st: turn off all PM in tmo, I always thought it's useless and EVIL[TM] ;-)18:20
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Estel_freemangordon,  all new thumbs released in thumb repo should work OK and you've not announced new thumb version due to repo migration fiasco, or there is something broken there18:45
freemangordonthey should work18:45
Estel_(and/or something that require normal repos/mirrors to be set up, before updating)?18:45
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Estel_erm, quick question to someone knowledgeable - HAM exports its repo settings to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list18:47
Estel_it also affects apt-get18:47
Estel_now, editing hildon-application-manager.list works only temporaly. Is there any way to edit it (where ham reeally stores it) without using HAM itself?18:48
kerioyou MUST use it to change ham's configuration18:48
infobotThe key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED",  "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.18:49
Estel_last thing I'm using HAM and it's slowness glory, is to keep sync between apt repos and fapman repos, so editing it directly would save me from firing up HAM ever...18:49
Estel_kerio,  thanks18:49
Estel_regular folder or gconf entry?18:49
keriono, no, binary18:49
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Estel_oh lol18:50
Estel_/etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues won't work? :P18:50
kerionot if HAM's running18:51
kerioand/or apt-worker18:51
Estel_erm, how one is supposed to add repo by hildon-application-manager-config?18:52
Estel_usage is quite sparse18:52
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keriobeats me18:52
keriocheck the source18:52
kerioor community-ssu-enabler's postinst/prerm18:53
* Estel_ nods18:54
kerioEstel_: btw, have you installed the battery applet i linked you?18:55
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Estel_new one without default rx51? havent seen that link yet, got 1300+ lines logged on #maemo18:55
Estel_so it's just assumption18:56
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Estel_that it's something new18:56
kerioor, if you don't trust the binary,
Estel_OK, wtf is that?18:56
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kerioEstel_: magic18:56
Estel_modified by you to get rid of rx51?18:56
Estel_pali haven't released it yet, yep?18:57
Estel_should be installed on top of bme replacement suite?18:57
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kerioit should work in every situation18:57
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kerioit's just that now rx51's design data is only used if bq27k can't provide a capacity18:57
Estel_sure, but why to edit startup scripts myself if there is thing doing it made by Pali and will be compatible with his future releases18:57
keriooh, it also has a noticeably faster startup18:58
kerioEstel_: this is just the battery applet18:58
Estel_erm, refresh my memory, what is missing as compared to vanilla bme, re functionality?18:58
kerioit'll work with bme too if you want18:58
Estel_no, I don't :P18:58
kerioit's a replacement battery applet, it'll work with everything, really18:58
Estel_charging from usb port works if one limits current (or automagically, already?)18:58
Estel_I mean bme replace suite18:59
Estel_as whole18:59
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Estel_does it shutdown device gently on user-defined voltage?18:59
kerionot user-defined18:59
kerioit's hardcoded at EDVF18:59
Estel_so when? and why isn't it configurable?:P18:59
keriowhich will probably be changed, because it's a bit too low18:59
Estel_erm, edvf was? 2800?18:59
kerioaccepting user configuration is a bitch18:59
Estel_or 3000?18:59
keriosomething like that, yes19:00
keriono, 280019:00
Estel_2800 is way too low19:00
keriothat'll probably be changed in the future19:00
kerioit's a hald-addon-bme thing afaik19:00
Estel_kerio, if you compiled applet with modified code, just go and modify it to accept user defined sysfs entry for shutdown, too :P19:00
keriono, it's userspace19:01
Estel_if one ask me, easiest way would be to shutdown if device is continously at or below 3000mV for 15 seconds19:01
kerioEstel_: why 15 seconds?19:01
Estel_...which replaces all of bme funny "low voltage peaks measurement"19:01
keriojust shut down at below 300019:01
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Estel_would waste power on peaks19:02
Estel_even calibration uses 15 seconds on 324819:02
Estel_to avoid peaks19:02
kerioyou'd have to poll, though19:02
Estel_well, most of the time you would be 50-100 mA above real 3000mV, if you would shutdown on peak momentary 300019:02
kerioso it would be "15 consecutive measurements below 3000"19:03
Estel_or 3, if it's measured every 5 seconds19:03
kerioanyway, proposals are welcome, according to Pali19:03
kerioi'm not sure how often hald-addon-bme updates19:03
kerioanyway, test my applet pls :319:03
Estel_does it have chances o blowing up my system, or I can skip doing full backupmenu backup?:P19:04
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kerioit relies on hald-addon-bme to push charging/not charging info, so if you don't use bme or the replacement, you'll only get the "charging" notification when it polls for it, every 30s19:04
kerioEstel_: i can almost guarantee that it'll not turn your n900 in a nuclear reactor19:05
keriobut not quite19:05
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kerio(it should be "safe" - after installing, killall hildon-status-menu)19:05
Estel_so you got your compiling enviromnent set up, after all?19:06
kerioi just launched the scratchbox VM19:06
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Estel_I wonder if it works with virtualbox too?19:07
kerioi used virtualbox19:07
keriowith the default ubuntu settings19:07
Estel_no manual steps needed to fix vm image anymore, to get rid of some bugs?19:08
merlin1991thumb stuff is still in there19:08
kerioi installed the virtualbox guest thing19:09
merlin1991so you still have to clean that19:09
kerio...well, i sure hope Estel_ has a kernel with thumb support19:09
merlin1991kerio: nah the gcc in the vm image is foobar19:09
merlin1991regarding thumb19:09
merlin1991so anything that ends up as thumb will be bad19:09
merlin1991but I suppose your makefile does not check DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS for thumb?19:10
Estel_merlin1991,  thanks, I vaguely remembered smth like that. No one released fixed vm image, yet?19:10
Estel_I would like to compile javispedro's unreleased latest version of fm radio for maemo, which allow analog passthrough without cpu...19:11
keriomerlin1991: i don't think so, it's pali's makefile19:11
Estel_afaik it was "just compile" ready, no idea why he haven't released it...19:11
Estel_but I would like to do so with new compiler and all thumb godness. Even thinking about setting dev env. from scratch, for that, gives me headache19:12
Estel_(I'm coding/compiling noob, sadly)19:12
kerioit's just scratchbox that's awful at being good19:12
Estel_~seen javispedro19:14
infobotjavispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 88d 21h 31m 46s ago, saying: 'get a macintosh!'.19:14
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DocScrutinizer05famous last words19:24
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Estel_DocScrutinizer05,  question to you as maemo irc specialist19:34
Estel_might be kind of mission impossible, yet...19:35
Estel_Anywhere from 2 months ago to year ago javispedro posted here - in conversation with me - link to source code of latest, unreleased version of his radio program - it was in garage, so is probably easily findable...19:36
Estel_but, in next line, he also posted link to patch, fixing some issue, patch posted "somewhere" - maybe in garage, or not19:36
Estel_now my question19:36
Estel_any ideas how to effectively search irc logs for it? :P19:36
Estel_having this situation description19:37
Estel_sure, but what to grep19:37
keriojavispedro and http19:37
cehtehand fm maybe19:37
Estel_erm, where are logs not divided by days?19:37
Estel_searching every day separately = not fun19:37
cehtehgrep -r19:37
kerioEstel_: you'd have to use your own logs19:37
kerioor ask someone with logs19:38
cehtehgrep #maemo*19:38
keriothe web interface is quite slow to search19:38
Estel_kerio, doesn't have from that moment19:38
Estel_cehteh, could you elaborate? I must admit I'm quite green here, what should I rgrep, as I only know weblogs of irc19:38
Estel_of this irc channel19:38
Estel_it could be at #maemo or #maemo-ssu19:39
cehtehyou have personal logs?19:39
Estel_sadly, not from times in question19:39
cehtehok then not19:39
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Estel_arcean,  god, how you've found it in ~30 seconds?19:40
Estel_I'm speechless19:40
cehtehgoogle perhaps :P19:40
arceanyeah, google :)19:40
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Estel_well, I feel dumb :) thanks anyway19:41
Estel_in fact huge thanks19:42
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Estel_kerio,  see query19:48
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keriomerlin1991: where should i disable the thumbification?19:51
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merlin1991kerio /scratchbox/users/$somename/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL.enironment19:58
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merlin1991there should be an export line for DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS, remove the thumb part19:59
kerioEstel_ et al.:
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Estel_kerio is it cfm?20:11
Estel_with that thing defined?20:11
kerioyeah, but i can't get the "analog bypass" to work20:11
Estel_oh, you always have to blow it like that? :P20:12
Estel_thanks anyway, will test it20:12
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Estel_surely you defined adv audio routing on correct place?20:12
kerioyes, yes20:12
kerioi mean, it appears to reduce the cpu usage *slightly*20:12
Estel_ADV_AUDIO_ROUTING 1 should be responsible for it being real function, not mockup20:12
keriobut not quite20:13
Estel_the question is if you will be able to blow up speakers, if yes, analog passthrough is on20:13
Estel_seriously though20:13
Estel_tune to same station on another analog radio20:13
Estel_and see if N900 sound lags behind20:13
Estel_if it lags, it's digital20:13
Estel_if it's sync'ed, it's analog passthrough20:13
keriowhen i click on "analog passthrough", it jumps ahead a bit20:14
Estel_installing, will test it in a few seconds20:15
kerioEstel_: analog passthrough goes to the headphones anyway20:15
keriobut it still seems at least partially controlled by pulseaudio20:15
Estel_it seems that you can define other route via options, speakers aren't connected to digital only? or are?20:15
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Estel_couldn't be, javispedro was quite sure, that you can't even put filter there20:16
Estel_or i have no idea20:16
kerioi assume that the analog passthrough will default to the headphones when they're connected20:16
kerioaka every time, when using the radio20:16
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Estel_I'm curious if it can be redefined during runtime20:17
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Estel_javispedro mentioned smth about options for "defining audio route whatever you want"20:18
* Estel_ wonders what's the difference between /usr/bin/cfmradio and /usr/bin/cfmradio.launch20:19
Estel_both seems to be binary20:19
Estel_no sh wrapper20:19
kerioEstel_: ls -l would've shown you :)20:19
kerioit uses maemo-invoker20:19
keriowhich is fairly neat, not a lot of programs do that20:19
Estel_what are benefits of using maemo-launcher?20:20
keriogtk aren't loaded again20:20
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keriothe binary is basically loaded as a plugin by maemo-launcher20:21
Estel_btw what the hell "reset plugin to hf" means?20:22
kerioi assume he meant HP as in Head Phones20:22
Estel_no, it's "reset audio to hf". Headphone? why reset to headphone?20:22
keriobecause you can switch the audio to the speaker20:23
kerioor to the analog passthrough20:23
keriothe default would be to switch back to the headphones20:23
Estel_yea, noticed that, every button have reverse one instead of toogle. no big deal20:23
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keriono, it's just that there's more than one option for audio20:24
Estel_finally, no kinetic scrolling20:24
keriobtw, i get no sound output if i click on analog passthrough twice20:24
kerioi have to reset and reenable it20:24
kerioit's clearly not perfect20:24
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Estel_analog passthrough still works, though, sound is in perfect sync with my desktop fm radio hi-fi20:26
Estel_if analog passthrough is enabled20:26
kerioyeah, yeah20:26
keriopulseaudio is still doing something though20:26
Estel_yes, but much less than before, in my case20:26
Estel_will measure power usage difference, later20:26
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Estel_well, it definitelly could use some polishing - bug you've mentioned, + it tried to name stations by rds but get only part of it, resulting in funny names during auto-scan (I haven't found a way to change name of presets)...20:32
Estel_will dig if I can find configuration files for manually editting that20:32
Estel_still, lightweightness and analog passthrough as opposed to fm radio program, is amazing here20:32
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Estel_+ no idea who thought it's good idea to do kinetic scrolling of radio frequencies while updating them in real-time during said kinetic scroll... in FM Radio, not cfmradio, obviously20:33
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Estel_after turning it off, error:20:35
Estel_Memory pool destroyed but not all memory blocks freed! 4368 remain20:35
Estel_does it mean what I think it mean?20:35
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keriodoes it?20:37
keriomeasure the memory usage of maemo-launcher20:37
kerioi can recompile it without maemo-launcher support i think20:37
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Estel_well, every time count of left blocks is different20:40
Estel_if you just open and close it, no such message20:40
DocScrutinizer05  guess when I booted the FW ;-)20:40
Estel_after some usage, the loinger you use it and mess with more options, the higher number of blocks remain20:41
Estel_memory leak? :/20:41
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kerioEstel_: maybe, idk20:42
keriowould it persist, is the real question20:42
LinuxCodeIm trying to reinstall my N900, but the link to extras doesnt seem to work20:43
kerioLinuxCode: /topic20:43
Estel_no idea why ;)20:43
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infobotrumour has it, repo-down is, or
infobotfrom memory, mirror is
kerioEstel_: fu20:43
Estel_can't remember how it was called20:43
Estel_what? :D20:44
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kerioLinuxCode: you chose quite the fun time to reinstall your n90020:44
keriobut it's ok, because it means that you can also install cssu20:44
Estel_but it's still possible20:44
LinuxCodeno kidding20:44
Estel_and quite easy to do20:44
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Estel_just turn off regular repos and enable mirrors20:44
kerioi recommend merlin1991's extras-devel-light and community-testing-light repos20:44
LinuxCodekerio, I resized my N900, but failed, with the rescue image it worked20:45
keriothey're light20:45
Estel_MartinK_N9,  kudos for modRana cobs repo approach20:45
Estel_youmre quite independent from migration fiasco problems (unless we're talking about dependencies, which may be in downed repo...)20:45
Estel_just defined modrana cobs in fam and it's amazingly easy and fun to use, instead of messing with repos. I just wonder how it would be handled if migration to cobs would be ever performed?20:46
Estel_separate repo entry for every package?20:46
keriocobs? wtf is cobs?20:46
Estel_kerio,  MartinK_N9 created cobs for modrana20:46
Estel_even before fiasco20:46
kerioyeah but wtf is cobs20:46
Estel_community obs20:46
Estel_aka painless approach to repositories, bulding (bye bye outdated autobuilder) and everything(tm)20:47
Estel_and thing that was meanto to be the way maemo repos will migrate, until our volounteer staff got lazy due to nokia donating too much hardware and paid worktime, top migrate depreciated autobuilder and co20:48
Estel_ /rant20:48
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Estel_which is why we're still in limbo, instead of using shiny cobs20:48
Estel_lol @ Merlin197320:48
Estel_kerio,  where the fuck cfm radio keeps configs, like presets?20:49
Estel_can't seem to find it20:49
keriowhere the fuck am i supposed to know20:49
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kerioi suppose "where" is the source20:50
Estel_you just compiled the source code! :D20:50
Estel_now be prepared to be treated as deity and need to know answer to every question20:50
Estel_compiling is step into heaven's throne20:50
Estel_seriously though20:50
kerioare they even saved20:51
Estel_yes, they are20:51
kerioi gave you the tarball, you tell me20:51
Estel_will investigate it later, it isn't in any obvious locaion20:52
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keriooh, gconf20:54
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kerioEstel_: /apps/maemo/cfmradio20:55
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LinuxCodekerio, was up at all ?20:56
keriobefore the migration? sure20:56
DocScrutinizer05Estel_: stop telling BS and insulting volunteers20:56
LinuxCodeor has it been down since the move20:56
LinuxCodeso its been down since the move20:56
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DocScrutinizer05Estel_: I'm tolerating zero such behaviour anymore of you20:58
kerioit's not easy to keep a server up when akamai DDoSes it20:58
LinuxCodeis that what is happening ?20:59
LinuxCodehow come ?!?20:59
kerioit was the original problem, yes20:59
keriobecause nokia used akamai20:59
kerioand when the migration happened, akamai decided that it had to redownload the whole of rmo20:59
LinuxCodeohh man20:59
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LinuxCodeiptables cant fix it ?20:59
infobotwell, repo-down is, or
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LinuxCodethe maemo packages are signed correct ?21:02
keriothe signing of the repository isn't the problem, the problem is that the default package manager only wants packages from certain repos21:03
keriowants certain packages, that is21:03
LinuxCodeno, Im asking because I have a suggestion to make21:03
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LinuxCodehow about using mirrors ?21:03
LinuxCodelike we do in Fedora21:03
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, mirror is
LinuxCodekerio, Im talking about more than two ;-p21:04
keriothere's three21:04
LinuxCodeok three21:04
keriowe can barely afford one server, let alone one for each country21:04
LinuxCodeFedoras kind mirror providers have a total bw capacity of 234GB21:05
LinuxCodeyou missed the point I was making21:05
LinuxCodefree to you21:05
kerioanyway, the problem isn't the lack of mirrors, the problem is the lack of infrastructure, at the moment21:05
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kerioand the fact that the currently-active n900s will still hammer repository.maemo.org21:06
keriofor the extras repo21:06
kerioeventually yeah, having mirrors would be good, especially if free :)21:06
LinuxCodejust a suggestion21:06
DocScrutinizer05LinuxCode: skeiron for example has a load of maybe 1% of available bandwidth21:07
DocScrutinizer05so how would more mirrors help?21:07
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LinuxCodeDocScrutinizer05, if akamai keeps hammering21:10
LinuxCodeanyway, I know nothing about all that so I just shut up21:10
LinuxCodewas just an idea21:10
DocScrutinizer05akamai servers are down, DNS is gone21:11
DocScrutinizer05tomorrow we start another effort to ramp up repo.m.o again21:11
LinuxCodebtwm thank you for all your efforts21:13
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LinuxCodeit is really appreciated21:13
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Lava_Crofti wonder how much fun it would be to contact nokia care about the repos being down21:22
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kerio"your device is out of warranty. by the way, did you know that lumias are really great?"21:23
Lava_Croftthey already tried that with an N8 when i sent in my first n900 for repairs21:23
Lava_Crofttook me several months to get a n900 back:<21:23
DocScrutinizer05Lava_Croft: I'm seriously encouraging you to do exactly that, call Nokia care and ask what's up with the repos, with!) and generally with their support for a product you still can buy *new* with 2 years warranty in the EU21:25
kerioLinuxCode: anyway, install CSSU21:25
kerio(if you haven't already)21:25
LinuxCodeI had it installed before yes21:25
Lava_CroftI already mentioned the strangeness regarding the support for the n90021:26
Lava_Croftthey already decided it was end of life in 201021:26
Lava_Croftwhen i sent in mine for repairs21:26
Lava_Croftnokia care monkey did not have an answer21:26
Lava_Crofthe did mention how symbian belle would be awesome21:26
LinuxCodekerio, installing CSSSU fresh is just adding the repo right ?21:26
kerioLinuxCode: not quite21:26
LinuxCodeI seem to recall there was a package21:26
Lava_CroftLinuxCode: you click a link21:26
Lava_Crofton a wiki page21:27
LinuxCodewhich also did the kernel ?21:27
Lava_Croftthats all21:27
kerioLinuxCode: which cssu flavour do you want?21:27
keriono, the kernel is still untouched by cssu21:27
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kerioLinuxCode: stable or testing?21:27
LinuxCodeohh stable21:27
Lava_Croftclick Stable image21:27
Lava_Croftread page21:27
Lava_Croftor the other way around:)21:27
keriodisclaimer: cssu stable is stable as in debian stable21:27
LinuxCodeta Lava_Croft kerio21:27
kerioLinuxCode: hold on though21:27
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keriofollow the instructions, at some point it'll ask you to do a system upgrade21:28
keriobefore doing that you'll have to enable a mirror for the "community" repo21:28
keriooh, and unless you've enabled a mirror for "extras", you won't be able to install backupmenu21:28
keriofind a way to install it21:28
kerioit is good21:28
sixwheeledbeast~seen wirr21:28
infobotwirr <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 19h 15m 35s ago, saying: 'cool... thanks - night'.21:28
LinuxCodekerio, kk21:28
LinuxCodeseesm the wiki covers most of what you just said, thank you21:29
keriofull on-device backups aren't common, are they21:29
Lava_Croftthe only time i used backupmenu it completely failed to put the backup back in place21:29
Lava_Croftthats probably fixed by now thouh21:29
kerioLava_Croft: when did you do that?21:29
Lava_Croftquite a while ago:)21:29
kerioyeah, the first version was absolute crap21:30
kerioand then it was turned into gold21:30
Lava_Croftit completely broke21:30
Lava_Croftyeah, i know21:30
keriokinda like king midas21:30
Lava_Croftbut that negative experience will always remain21:30
kerioLava_Croft: BACKUP YOUR N900! >:C21:30
Lava_Croftthats the power of negative experiences21:30
keriohe should've changed the name maybe21:30
Lava_Crofti think i actually removed the backup i had on the device21:31
Lava_Croftnot too long ago21:31
Lava_Crofti mean, as long as i dont touch anything and repos are down, im safe21:31
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Estel_DocScrutinizer05,  "critics are users too". As said, always, things presented by me are my personal opinion and no one is forced to agree with me21:45
Estel_I'm doing it in polite way, without demanding anything21:46
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Estel_so I will keep my right to think that some decisions made by volounteers may be bad too21:46
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Estel_if you're certain that anything other than eternal gratefulness to hildon foundation staff isn't permitted on this channel, kick/ban me, and I'll have to live with giving this place a laugh *shrug*21:47
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Estel_not to mentiin that I'm not bombing anyone about my opinions - just dropped a comment or two when someone asked about this certain thing21:47
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Estel_so, gtfo of me, kindly. thanks.21:47
infobotEstel_ meant: so, gtfo from me, kindly. thanks.21:47
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DocScrutinizer05Estel_: I give a shit who does or does not agree with you and what you declare your statements. Stop telling BS and don't insult people. This is an official warning22:15
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DocScrutinizer05to make it utterly clear to you so there will be no missunderstandings: "volounteer staff got lazy due to nokia donating too much hardware and paid worktime"22:17
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DocScrutinizer05will not be tolerated22:17
DocScrutinizer05no matter what you declare it to be22:18
DocScrutinizer05even if your next lime is "just kidding" you earn a ban on next such statement22:18
DocScrutinizer05was this clear and understandable enough for you?22:18
DocScrutinizer05I'm willing to elaborate even further if you still don't see why such staement is a) based on outright false propositions, a whole bunch of them, and b) an insult22:20
DocScrutinizer05or rather, no. On second thought I'm not, since i'm sure you already know but would troll me to explain it to you22:21
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DocScrutinizer05I even admit that I'd probably not even notice such nonsense when anybody else would post it. It's just for your extremely long record of purposely using this type of twisting facts into lies and then salting them with an insult.22:27
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muellisoftoh noez. seems to be down. Does anyone have the flasher and an n900 image..?23:46
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jacekowskii do23:47
Muellijacekowski: nice.23:47
jacekowski - firmware is here23:47
Muellijacekowski: do you happen to have the flasher executable lying around, too? I.e. not the deb package? I don't really mind unpacking that stuff, but if you happen to have that handy, it'd be appreciated.23:48
jacekowskijust .deb23:49
jacekowskior windows .exe23:49
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Muelligonna be fun to run your backdoored firmware ;-)23:51
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Muellifirst the firmware then the eMMC, right?23:53
infobotfrom memory, maemo-flashing is
kerioif the system is working, you can do vanilla and then combined23:55
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