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| wirr | check it out: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_The_Perfect_Setup. contribute, fix, extend, link, whatever - have fun with it | 01:19 |
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| wirr | ah, and if someone's willing to proofread and test would be nice | 01:19 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | wirr: not suppose to use profiles like "ideal" in KP anymore | 01:23 |
| sixwheeledbeast | and links for swap tweaks go to 720p page | 01:25 |
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| wirr | sixwheeledbeast, swap links fixed, thanks | 01:29 |
| Lava_Croft | dont think that list of essential software packages should be there too | 01:29 |
| Lava_Croft | since its just a personal preference | 01:29 |
| wirr | sixwheeledbeast, what's the recommended way of replacing profiles like "ideal" and such? | 01:30 |
| Lava_Croft | and stuff like backupmenu is so much more important than say, fmboost | 01:30 |
| sixwheeledbeast | TBH I think a lots is personal | 01:30 |
| Lava_Croft | that its a bit weird to havfe it in the same section | 01:30 |
| wirr | Lava_Croft, agreed | 01:30 |
| wirr | should definitely split it up | 01:30 |
| Lava_Croft | split it up in essential and recommended | 01:30 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 01:30 |
| sixwheeledbeast | many have done this before but put them in there user area of the wiki. | 01:30 |
| Lava_Croft | as a bonus, you get not ONE but TWO things you can not agree upon! | 01:30 |
| sixwheeledbeast | wirr: smartreflex does it automatically upto 805Mhz IIRC if you have KP50> | 01:31 |
| Lava_Croft | i mean, ttf-nokiapure | 01:32 |
| Lava_Croft | why is that even in that list | 01:32 |
| wirr | basically you find anything on wiki and tmo. i would like to collect best practice to allow anyone to have on optimal setup, starting from ground up. this is why i included some personal recommendations as well. i'd prefer if we could have a vote or something what packages are considered 'recommended' | 01:32 |
| Lava_Croft | and swappolube? | 01:33 |
| wirr | ttf-nokiapure: i'll throw it out | 01:33 |
| wirr | swappolube i put it in because of some sd card related tweaks i'll add later | 01:33 |
| Lava_Croft | and i think if DocScrutinizer05 sees you recommend busybox-power... | 01:33 |
| Lava_Croft | he will go mental | 01:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: | 01:34 |
| wirr | busybox-power is basically a requirement for the encryption setup | 01:34 |
| Lava_Croft | and maybe i missed something, but where is there two flashlight related apps in the list? | 01:34 |
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| Lava_Croft | where/why | 01:34 |
| Lava_Croft | and while we are on the subject of apps that are recommended | 01:35 |
| Lava_Croft | where is fcam, hdr and lowlight | 01:35 |
| Lava_Croft | camera-lens-launcher | 01:35 |
| Lava_Croft | ill quit, or else we are discussing this for hours to come:D | 01:35 |
| Lava_Croft | at least its a good thing you are doing | 01:35 |
| Lava_Croft | might save people a lot of time | 01:35 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I wouldn't use fcam, hdr or lowlight | 01:38 |
| Skry | +1 for camera-lens-launcher | 01:38 |
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| wirr | ok guys, I got your point - I'll clean up the app recommendations. still I'd think we should have some recommended base packages we can more or less agree on | 01:41 |
| wirr | Skry, Lava_Croft cl-launcher segfaults on cssu-thumb (at least on my phone) | 01:41 |
| wirr | that's why there is flashlight-extras-gtk | 01:41 |
| Lava_Croft | not on mine | 01:41 |
| Skry | not on mine neither | 01:41 |
| Lava_Croft | works flawlessly here, always has | 01:41 |
| Skry | yup | 01:41 |
| wirr | good to hear | 01:41 |
| wirr | nevertheless, any known issues with cl-launcher? | 01:42 |
| Lava_Croft | or, in the spirit of a true case of linux troubleshooting: | 01:42 |
| Lava_Croft | W F M! :) | 01:42 |
| Skry | wirr: how about just making a categorized list of generally recommended apps | 01:43 |
| wirr | sounds good to me. you're willing to start it? | 01:43 |
| Skry | well, if you don't want to then why not | 01:44 |
| wirr | sixwheeledbeast, I have no experience with smartreflex, could you rewrite the section about kernel-power-settings, please? | 01:44 |
| wirr | Skry, just to get that list started - as i've been working on this for the last four hours I start to get tired ;-) | 01:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | wirr: install KP50> without KPS job done. No tweaking profiles anymore. | 01:45 |
| wirr | sixwheeledbeast, srsly? no kps and I get overclocking and undervolting _by default_?! | 01:46 |
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| wirr | so that's with cssu-thumb as well i suppose, as it's based on kp51r1 | 01:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | wirr: KPS if you need to over/underclock, but no tweaking voltages manually just clock speed. | 01:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | on the smartreflex wiki | 01:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | i wouldn't recommend a overclock to *all* anyway. | 01:48 |
| Skry | yeah, I wouldn't recommend overclocking to anyone. | 01:48 |
| Skry | wirr: I can write up something, not now though, heading to bed, ravaged by flu | 01:49 |
| Skry | so, gn everyone | 01:50 |
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| wirr | sixwheeledbeast, overclock: meh, undervolting: yipee! | 01:55 |
| wirr | Skry, thanks - no hurry... gn | 01:56 |
| wirr | sixwheeledbeast, but again, that's my personal preference | 01:56 |
| wirr | I'll include both options I think | 01:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast | wirr: no need to undervolt is the point, fmg didn't get VDD1/2 smartreflex working for nothing. | 01:57 |
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| wirr | yep, I read some of his experience on tmo. if it's more efficient than undervolting then even the merrier! | 01:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | that's the thing with maemo not one device is the same, there is no perfect setup. | 01:58 |
| wirr | not the same as in different hardware revisions? | 01:59 |
| wirr | or crappy qa? | 01:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I do like the idea of the wiki tho some tweaks are done by most | 01:59 |
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| wirr | that's what i thought | 01:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I mean everyone has a different basic setup | 02:00 |
| Lava_Croft | the idea is that new users like myself 3 years ago, dont have to spend a month googling and browsing ITT | 02:00 |
| Lava_Croft | trying to gather a collection of n900 tweaks | 02:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | agreed | 02:00 |
| Lava_Croft | it was so awful | 02:00 |
| * wirr nods | 02:00 | |
| Lava_Croft | and then a week after you did tweakX | 02:00 |
| Lava_Croft | you found out tweakX was actually horrible and you should have done tweakY | 02:01 |
| Lava_Croft | etc | 02:01 |
| wirr | *patches anyone? | 02:01 |
| Lava_Croft | it will go a long way to have a single wiki page for this | 02:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | there are possibly wikis out there already | 02:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | customizing maemo is one. | 02:02 |
| Lava_Croft | yup | 02:02 |
| sixwheeledbeast | wirr: maybe update the customizing maemo page? | 02:02 |
| wirr | though it's more focused on appearance settings it seems to me | 02:03 |
| wirr | my idea was more to get people started in building a fast, power-saving and secure system | 02:03 |
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| wirr | anywho... let's see into what it develops. would enjoy seeing you guys contribute your experience to it | 02:09 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | wirr: I will have a look maybe tomorrow. I think a brief paragraph and links to xyz wiki page is the best way to go. | 02:12 |
| wirr | cool... thanks - night | 02:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | gn | 02:13 |
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| initech99 | hello i'm trying to use the skeiron extras mirror 3 repo but i'm getting a "sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)" error | 05:30 |
| initech99 | somebody can help? | 05:30 |
| SpeedEvil | man gzio | 05:30 |
| SpeedEvil | gzip | 05:30 |
| SpeedEvil | what's error code 1 | 05:30 |
| SpeedEvil | possibly file corrupt | 05:30 |
| initech99 | i can't find a list of gzip errors in the man page | 05:33 |
| initech99 | but doing the update again i get the same error | 05:34 |
| initech99 | i just flashed my nokia n900 and i need rootsh | 05:34 |
| initech99 | bad timing i guess... | 05:34 |
| initech99 | for everybody else the repos works fine? | 05:36 |
| SpeedEvil | on reflection | 05:42 |
| SpeedEvil | it's quite possible the repos are having an issue right now | 05:42 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd have to get out of bed to check, and ... | 05:43 |
| SpeedEvil | night | 05:43 |
| initech99 | mmh than i guess i'll just wait | 05:44 |
| initech99 | i should get some sleep too,it' almost 5 in the morning here... | 05:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (recommended apps) I'm smelling loooong discussions what's indispensable for daily usage and what's geek shit. How about a list of *deprecated* apps instead? | 06:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I already know two: powerpatch, speedpatch | 06:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and honestly, any such list (recommended) is always *personal* (recommended by *whom*), and accordingly it should get represented on wiki | 06:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 06:28 |
| infobot | methinks jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 06:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | a "public" and "official" wikipage always aiming for the one and only truth, and everybody will vandalize it to correct the "obvious errors" when it comes to something as individual as a list of most useful apps | 06:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hey, if I wanna know which app most users think is useful, I go to ~packages and check for top of download-hitlist | 06:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if I wanna know which apps wirr thinks are most useful, I go to Users:wirr | 06:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please don't start such dogfight topic on a "official website", since it's not really backed up by anything or anybody. Nobody elected for those apps in any proper election, nobody appointed the editors of such page as being the ultimate experts either | 06:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what do you expect the BlessN900 devels to do when you place fcam on that page? | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this will NOT end good | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ends in a lot of bickering and fights, and nobody benefiting from it in the end | 06:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm not even starting with more basic questions like "is busybox a good or a silly app in sense of unix spirit?" | 06:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~messybox | 06:42 |
| infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 06:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unix way is to have lots of small specialized though general purpose tools that you compine to your liking. Monolithic blobs like busybox are the windows way to implement things | 06:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and since ls is still buggy in busybox power, we gonna invent my-acme-ls and ship that package as well then? | 06:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since no sane devel interested in fixin ls will look into busybox power to do so | 06:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's a straight highway into windows hell | 06:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | wirr: pretty please use a filemanager and have a look into your hildon-backup files, you'll find an extremely convenient and ready-made way to deploy package/app-sets. I suggested several times somebody to simply make such a backup file with his favourite apps and deploy it for other users | 06:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware that hildon-backup only stores a *list of apps* to re-install on restore, it does NOT store the app binaries | 06:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and, as icing on top, user can deselect particular apps during restore, so they won't get installed | 06:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the only way in HAM to first select/deselect on a huge number of packages and then run the whole batch for unattended installation | 06:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | once such a "package" been built and published under "wirr's favorites", you bet a week later there will be a clone "kerio's favorites" | 06:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or whomever it may tickle | 06:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and eventually we even might come up with "cssu recommended" | 06:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I bet somebody will create "2012 most wanted" | 06:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or "the spy collection", you name it | 06:59 |
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| damo22 | hi i just got myself a N900, its currently charging up... :D where can i read about upgrading its software to the latest maemo, also i want to do some development so I want to root the device and run linux stuff on it... where can i find the howtos? | 07:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haha | 07:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | welcome damo22 | 07:04 |
| damo22 | ty | 07:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 1st: your N900 doesn't need any "rooting", it's already open, just missing a small package called rootsh you need to install to get the commands "root" and "sudo gainroot" | 07:06 |
| damo22 | cool | 07:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | runing "linux stuff" is possible without that "root account2 generally | 07:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | runing "linux stuff" is possible without that "root account" generally | 07:06 |
| damo22 | yeah, but i want root on my own phone :D | 07:07 |
| * freemangordon thinks n900 runs "linux stuff" all the time :) | 07:07 | |
| damo22 | this is so cool :D | 07:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can install all the wealth of gnu-utils readily. And you can run all stuff like ls and ps and mc and whatever "unix stuff" you can think of, without rootsh, just some of those my need root permissions to do what you want them to do. I'm sure you're aware of this basic concept | 07:08 |
| damo22 | yeah, i do a bit of kernel stuff i think i know my way around *nix :) | 07:09 |
| freemangordon | damo22: for allowing "root" and "sudo gainroot commands" open http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/extras/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/r/rootsh/rootsh_1.8_all.deb in microb | 07:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damo22: alas you picked a very poor point in time to start with your exciting maemo adventures, since due to migration away from Nokia and towards 100% community driven, some of the resources are... flawed | 07:09 |
| freemangordon | that one too :) | 07:10 |
| damo22 | but it will be fun to play with a fully fledged system that is my own phone | 07:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you bet it is | 07:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm enjoying this fun since 4 (?) years now and will never give up on it | 07:10 |
| damo22 | is it possible to use the small usb port as a host controller? | 07:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "from my dead cold haaaaands!" | 07:11 |
| freemangordon | damo22: you bet it is | 07:11 |
| damo22 | wowww | 07:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, I made that possible, see H-E-N | 07:11 |
| freemangordon | hehe | 07:11 |
| damo22 | how much power can i draw from the usb port | 07:12 |
| damo22 | safely | 07:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 200mA | 07:12 |
| damo22 | k | 07:12 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: current protection kicks in above that, ain;t? | 07:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yup | 07:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | EOVERCURRENT | 07:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cut out | 07:13 |
| damo22 | i was thinking of making a fully fledged audio recording device | 07:13 |
| damo22 | using external usb sound card | 07:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GOOOD | 07:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm actually interested in that | 07:13 |
| freemangordon | damo22: there is a thread on talk.maemo.org about that | 07:14 |
| damo22 | i already wrote a kernel alsa driver quirk for this card | 07:14 |
| damo22 | its made by digidesign | 07:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cool | 07:14 |
| freemangordon | damo22: I guess you want to install kernel-power | 07:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah damo22, you're speakeing with one of the two guys you need to know and make friens, for your project: freemangordon | 07:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pali is the other guy and main maintainer of powerkernel | 07:15 |
| damo22 | sweet! | 07:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and for USB stuff, ping me or pali ;-) | 07:16 |
| freemangordon | damo22: being a kernel hacker, there is a piece of HW which sits unused in n900. A programmable filter that is | 07:16 |
| damo22 | ? | 07:16 |
| damo22 | programmable filter? | 07:16 |
| damo22 | as in audio filter? | 07:16 |
| freemangordon | yes. there is a patch which enables it, but unfortunately it is incomplete | 07:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ohnoes, please not "the digital filter in codec: sequel #4" | 07:17 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I am talking about HW audio filter | 07:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or actually, go ahead | 07:17 |
| damo22 | well ive already written some digital filters using biquad stuff but its cpu driven | 07:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: that's the digital parametric filter in codec I spoke of | 07:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are actually two of them | 07:18 |
| freemangordon | damo22: the patch needs filtering bands calculated, otherwise it is functional aiui | 07:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one full parametric one, plus an emphasis one | 07:18 |
| damo22 | ooo | 07:18 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: aah, ok. still having my first coffee, you know :) | 07:18 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: two of them? | 07:19 |
| damo22 | this could be fun | 07:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 07:19 |
| damo22 | HW audio filtering | 07:19 |
| damo22 | via alsa? | 07:19 |
| freemangordon | damo22: now it is PA plugin which does highpass filtering ( speaker protection) | 07:20 |
| freemangordon | damo22: I guiess there is no als plugin for that | 07:20 |
| freemangordon | *alsa | 07:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.musicdsp.org/files/Audio-EQ-Cookbook.txt http://www.student.oulu.fi/~oniemita/dsp/dspstuff.txt | 07:20 |
| damo22 | i know that musicdsp site | 07:20 |
| damo22 | we implemented it in Calf plugins | 07:21 |
| damo22 | i made a phono RIAA filter using bilinear transform too | 07:21 |
| damo22 | that was fun | 07:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that's what the de-emphasis filter is for | 07:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the smaller one of the two (if I'm not completely making that up now) | 07:22 |
| damo22 | so youre saying that the N900 has a hardware codec that can do filtering but the coefficients arent calculated yet? | 07:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 07:23 |
| damo22 | what kind of curve do we need | 07:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the question | 07:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | where things came to a grinding halt | 07:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 07:24 |
| damo22 | ahhh | 07:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since evrybody wanted a graphic EQ | 07:24 |
| damo22 | well you probably dont need that | 07:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and that's wirtually impossible with that stuff | 07:24 |
| damo22 | not really, i made a calculation tool that generates coefficients on the fly from analog parameters | 07:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cooool | 07:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yo da man | 07:25 |
| freemangordon | damo22: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=kernel-power;a=blob;f=kernel-power-2.6.28/debian/patches/Support-for-tlv320aic3x-codec-highpass-filter-needed.diff;h=962061affdbff324d640a6edf3b5fd17889b74e7;hb=HEAD | 07:26 |
| freemangordon | here is the patch | 07:26 |
| damo22 | but we didnt end up using it, because someone else already implemented it before in Calf plugins | 07:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | i *think* we already have access to the coefficients | 07:26 |
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| damo22 | its a C++ class called biquad | 07:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds familiar | 07:26 |
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| freemangordon | ooh, "The filter can be controlled through an alsa hwdep device, via" | 07:27 |
| freemangordon | ... | 07:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: toldya | 07:27 |
| freemangordon | nice | 07:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | i *think* we already have access to the coefficients | 07:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just hex number desert | 07:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | somewhere | 07:28 |
| freemangordon | so, what we need, correct algo for coeffs and gstreamer plugin? | 07:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 07:28 |
| freemangordon | nice | 07:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik | 07:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's years ago since I last touched that stuff | 07:28 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: this is on output only, isn't it? | 07:28 |
| damo22 | hey cool, i can see how i can put my code in there | 07:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, probably yes | 07:29 |
| damo22 | but i dont know how to make the coefficients configurable | 07:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see aic34(?) datasheet, and N900 schematics | 07:29 |
| damo22 | for example, i could add something in there that converts "#define LP_FC 200" into a set of coefficients for a lowpass filter at 200 Hz | 07:30 |
| damo22 | but how would anyone change the value | 07:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/hidden/ see docs/hw/tlv320aic34.pdf | 07:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never post complete URL! | 07:31 |
| damo22 | okay | 07:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anywhere | 07:32 |
| freemangordon | damo22: did you look at the patch? | 07:32 |
| damo22 | freemangordon: yeah i had a glance | 07:32 |
| freemangordon | "Added functions to manipulate the filter's coeffs and enable/disable it,..." | 07:33 |
| damo22 | oh geez | 07:33 |
| freemangordon | "hwdep device called "IIR Filter" added, documentation on how to use it..." | 07:33 |
| freemangordon | oh, there is matlab code there :D | 07:34 |
| freemangordon | to draw the freq responce | 07:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | In addition to the de-emphasis filter block, the DAC digital effects processing includes a fourth-order digital IIR filter with programmable coefficients (one set per channel). This filter is implemented as a cascade of two biquad sections with frequency response given by: <your eyes don't wanna see this on IRC> | 07:36 |
| damo22 | Nx= numerator_x Dx = denominator_x | 07:36 |
| * freemangordon wonders if this can be used as an eq | 07:37 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well page 38 of tlv320aic34.pdf looks a tiny bit more *cough* | 07:37 |
| damo22 | it can be used as an eq | 07:37 |
| freemangordon | how may bands? | 07:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: a parametric EQ has no bands | 07:38 |
| freemangordon | but do we have enough params for, lets say, 10 bands? | 07:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and a biquad IIR is not even a parametric EQ even | 07:38 |
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| damo22 | a biquad IIR doesnt work too well with bass frequencies | 07:39 |
| damo22 | if you try to use it in a narrow band | 07:39 |
| freemangordon | anyway, gtg, damo22, have fun with that :) | 07:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: how many bands has y=a1*x+a2*x^2+a3*x^3+a4*x^4 ? | 07:40 |
| damo22 | ty | 07:40 |
| damo22 | its more like it can have up to 3 kinks | 07:40 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: hard to say, but I guess it can't be used as an EQ. | 07:40 |
| freemangordon | this looks like a smooth function | 07:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the point of a parametric or biquad | 07:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IIR | 07:41 |
| freemangordon | no EQ then | 07:41 |
| damo22 | its a polynomial quotient | 07:41 |
| freemangordon | yep | 07:41 |
| freemangordon | anyway, bye for now | 07:41 |
| damo22 | cya | 07:42 |
| damo22 | DocScrutinizer05: what is the benefit of the filter in hardware? would it not be more useful as a filter to protect the speakers | 07:44 |
| damo22 | rather than being used as an eq | 07:44 |
| damo22 | ie, just set a steep highpass at 20Hz and lowpass at 20kHz? | 07:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 07:46 |
| damo22 | set and forget | 07:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and aiui Nokia is already using it that way | 07:47 |
| damo22 | :) | 07:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | parameters for that stuff are even on kernel's boot cmdline | 07:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik | 07:47 |
| damo22 | cool | 07:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | take the last staement with more than one grain of salt, I only know there's "something2 on kernel cmdline related to audio | 07:48 |
| damo22 | :) | 07:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw 20Hz for highpass is a lot for those small speakers | 07:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | more like 50Hz | 07:49 |
| damo22 | okay | 07:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe even 100 | 07:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia killed lots of speakers on their preprod protos, with that stuff ;-P | 07:49 |
| damo22 | so is audio currently destroying peoples speakers?> | 07:50 |
| damo22 | lol | 07:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | device has a class-D amp with no proper DC-blocking X-P | 07:50 |
| * RST38h yawns | 07:50 | |
| damo22 | hahah | 07:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damo22: nope, now we got XPROT, some closed blob Nokia proprietary PA plugin | 07:51 |
| damo22 | aww | 07:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | does dynamic limiting / compression and some filtering, so the gossip | 07:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kick it out and mess with ALSA dieectly and your speekers are at peril | 07:52 |
| damo22 | i dont really mind about that, i want to attach external sound card | 07:52 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 glances at his spare speakers | 07:52 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik XPROT only is in the audio pipe for speakers, not though for any other audio sink | 07:53 |
| damo22 | but my sound card draws 500mA | 07:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eeek | 07:53 |
| damo22 | so i will need to power it externally | 07:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 07:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Y-cable, external power plug on device, or popwered USB hub | 07:54 |
| damo22 | ycable would be nice | 07:54 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders when coffee will kick in and if that will help for typos | 07:55 | |
| damo22 | i can get a ycable online? | 07:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | easy | 07:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | used for each >2.5" drive | 07:55 |
| damo22 | k | 07:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's zillion | 07:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | two USB-M plugs, one USB-F or mini/micro-USB-M | 07:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lemme find my awesome picture for you | 07:57 |
| damo22 | how cool would it be to have 2 matched studio microphones hooked up to my N900 recording audio to the microSD | 07:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway here's already the augmented booston script that gives you indications of overcurrent etc, sorry for the show effects I built in ;-P http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1023402#post1023402 | 07:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203&highlight=Y-cable#post921203 | 08:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, the externally stored pics are a PITA. OVI fileshare vanished, so did the photo in there | 08:01 |
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| damo22 | awesome... any idea if i can get a sim card adapter for microsim -> ordinary sim | 08:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damo22: you also might want to learn about | 08:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu | 08:03 |
| infobot | rumour has it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 08:03 |
| damo22 | i am selling my iphone lol | 08:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those sim card adapters are rather common nowadays, never use them in slot-in SIM holders though | 08:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | luckily N900 has no slot-in | 08:04 |
| damo22 | sweet | 08:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | stuff like http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware is no news to you, I hope | 08:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and, dunno if I already mentioned it, this page has some useful info, according to other users: | 08:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jr-tools | 08:07 |
| infobot | jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 08:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NEVER do apt-get dist-upgrade! | 08:07 |
| damo22 | lol ok | 08:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NEVER do apt-get autoremove | 08:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo is "different" | 08:08 |
| damo22 | right ok | 08:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ATM the standard repos are down, due to Nokia hitting the sack | 08:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so you either find your way around, or you wait for things to return to normal state | 08:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~mirrors | 08:10 |
| infobot | it has been said that mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 08:10 |
| damo22 | thanks | 08:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~repo-down | 08:10 |
| infobot | i heard repo-down is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-20.log.html#t2013-01-20T02:08:42, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-30.log.html#t2013-01-30T00:51:04 | 08:10 |
| damo22 | very useful info!! | 08:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I think just enough stuff to read for your first day on N900 :-) | 08:11 |
| damo22 | ample | 08:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | consider to donate! ;-) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88222 | 08:13 |
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| damo22 | i will donate now, you already gave me a lot of help | 08:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hey, the donation isn't for me and my help, it's for keeping your infra alive :-) | 08:21 |
| damo22 | well i donated | 08:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | all of the above links wouldn't be sustainable without community donors | 08:22 |
| damo22 | yeah | 08:22 |
| damo22 | understood | 08:22 |
| damo22 | thanks Doc i gtg now | 08:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | cya | 08:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (not sustainable) not even the mirrors, which work since some guys are willing to donor their "own" server stoarage space and bandwidth, skeiron even a dedicated server just for maemo backup only | 08:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/donor/donate/ | 08:30 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: (not sustainable) not even the mirrors, which work since some guys are willing to donate their "own" server stoarage space and bandwidth, skeiron even a dedicated server just for maemo backup only | 08:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ok, quite exactly 12h of 'idle' online via 3G, with xchat logged in to some 14 channels | 08:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not bad a battery standby time, eh? | 08:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | actually I hardly can believe it | 08:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | just thought "uh? what a sound? OMG I forgot to plug n900 to charger last evening" | 08:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | left home 12:20 ago for shopping, and switched to 3G to have a short look at maps. since then it been idling like that, since I disabled auto-switch-to-WLAN yesterday and thus it stayed on 3G even when I came back home | 09:00 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: enough with the "don't do autoremove", cssu-enabler fixes that | 09:59 |
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| kerio | every package listed as a dependency in the nokia metapackage is marked as manually installed | 10:01 |
| kerio | (ty Pali) | 10:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: wtf is cssu-enabler ;-P | 10:11 |
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| ropeu | hey, I have a problem with the alarm clock. The alarm has no sound :( | 10:15 |
| kerio | : one that enables another to achieve an end; especially : one who enables another to persist in self-destructive behavior (as substance abuse) by providing excuses or by making it possible to avoid the consequences of such behavior | 10:15 |
| kerio | ropeu: check the volume levels for it | 10:15 |
| ropeu | (fremantle cssu, n900) | 10:16 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i think that the definition of enabler fits perfectly | 10:16 |
| ropeu | where can I check the volume? normally the alarm always and there is no alarm in nomal profile with sound | 10:17 |
| kerio | ropeu: hm, you're quite correct | 10:19 |
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| kerio | ropeu: which cssu? | 10:19 |
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| kerio | ...dammit! | 10:22 |
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| kerio | i was about to make him pastebin the output of profileclient -v, for the record, and check clock.alarm.enabled | 10:32 |
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| kerio | (literally for the record) | 10:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | when I got a script A that's doing >>B&<<, and I call ssh foo@bar A; what need I to do in B to make ssh A terminate instantly? | 10:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I gather the question is: how do I deamonize B ? | 10:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it's detached from parent A | 10:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since otherwise ssh doesn't return until B terminates | 10:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or am I completely wrong? | 10:43 |
| kerio | daemons aren't just put in background | 10:44 |
| kerio | they disconnect stdin/stdout/stderr and ignore hangup | 10:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | might "exec &>/dev/null </dev/null" suffice? | 10:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah ignore sighup | 10:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thaaaanks | 10:45 |
| kerio | so... nohup, probably | 10:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, I hate nohup | 10:45 |
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| kerio | apparently you can double & | 10:45 |
| kerio | like (B &) & | 10:45 |
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| kerio | so B detaches from the tty | 10:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it does? | 10:45 |
| kerio | it's a tip from linux-mag, iunno | 10:46 |
| kerio | test it | 10:46 |
| kerio | still working on your dead man's switch? | 10:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's a funny thing with testing, this is a live system, your maemo fw ;-) | 10:46 |
| kerio | clearly you shouldn't call "reboot" then | 10:46 |
| kerio | call "echo penis" | 10:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 10:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | echo &>dev/null ? | 10:47 |
| kerio | call mkdir ~doc/rebooted | 10:47 |
| kerio | or touch ~doc/rebooted | 10:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, I'll go with orthodox trap "" sighup; | 10:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and exec &>/dev/null </dev7null | 10:48 |
| kerio | hm, is outputting to devnull the same as closing? | 10:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err not exactly | 10:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I seem to recall exec semantics also included closing of stdin stdout stderr | 10:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | forgot how to do that | 10:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | exec - execute commands and open, close, or copy file descriptors - thanks posix manpage | 10:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | exec >&0 2>&0 <&0 | 10:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could have figured | 10:54 |
| kerio | isn't <&0 implied? :o | 10:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | implied in what? | 10:55 |
| kerio | isn't 0 stdin? | 10:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, you might be right there, yeah | 10:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, I need more coffee | 10:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exec >&- 2>&- <&- | 10:56 |
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| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: you'll love this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1319363&postcount=1 User wants a multiboot with cssu and PwnPhone :D :D | 11:05 |
| kerio | oh god why | 11:06 |
| kerio | yes, it's doable | 11:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'll ask him if he wants pink ponies too | 11:06 |
| kerio | but if you're the kind of person who'd use pwnphone, you're not good enough | 11:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | pink pwnie | 11:08 |
| thedead1440 | hehe | 11:08 |
| thedead1440 | Anyone with a N810 please help on instructions of how to add temp mirror: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88870 | 11:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | omg | 11:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc | 11:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and i have 2 | 11:08 |
| * thedead1440 thought those holding on to N810s wouldn't have such issues | 11:09 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I was strictly dumbass user on N810 | 11:09 |
| thedead1440 | well you aren't now so you can help him out :D | 11:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no clue about maemo4 though | 11:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask ShadowJK | 11:10 |
| kerio | how to fix n810: sell n810, buy n900 | 11:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | oops, wall is nasty | 11:17 |
| thedead1440 | hehe | 11:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I entered panic mode on fw, since my *local* tests spammed the ssh screen with "warning! rebooting in 5min" | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 11:18 |
| thedead1440 | :D | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jr@halebop:~> ssh newtmo ssh root@fw ./reboot1 | 11:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reboot2: no process killed | 11:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jr@halebop:~> | 11:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the way I like it | 11:20 |
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| thedead1440 | haha | 11:21 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: don't chain sshs :( | 11:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: why not? | 11:21 |
| kerio | because the data from fw to halebop is also decrypted on newtmo | 11:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 11:22 |
| kerio | extra security risk, extra used cpu | 11:22 |
| kerio | ok no, there's no extra used cpu | 11:22 |
| kerio | but it's a risk!1!1 | 11:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :shrug: any other idea how to reach 10.0.0.8 behind the fw? | 11:22 |
| kerio | ssh -oProxyCommand="ssh newtmo nc %h %p" root@fw | 11:23 |
| kerio | (ideally you'd put that in your .ssh/config | 11:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 11:23 |
| kerio | Host fw/HostName fw/User root/ProxyCommand ssh newtmo nc %h %p | 11:24 |
| kerio | and then ssh fw | 11:24 |
| kerio | ssh config is fucking sweet | 11:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm rather happy to have *any* access to that friggin fw, after fussing around with .ssh permissions and ssh-agent and whatnot | 11:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I still can't access fw from newly started xterm instances, only from a 6 weeks old one | 11:25 |
| kerio | ...wat | 11:26 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: just copy your id_rsa.pub in .ssh/authorized_keys | 11:26 |
| Sicelo | we have a most incredible fw :-/ | 11:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: yeah, and then wonder wtf one of my xterms allows acces to machine A, B, and C, while the other one only allows access to A and C | 11:27 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: do you have a separate identity file for the fw? | 11:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 11:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just a new general purpose rsa key | 11:28 |
| kerio | oh, actually | 11:28 |
| kerio | why do you have to pass through newtmo? | 11:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because | 11:28 |
| kerio | it's an issue of agent key passthrough | 11:28 |
| kerio | which is something that was made up for people who don't properly proxy their ssh connections, and instead do ssh newtmo ssh root@fw | 11:29 |
| kerio | ( >:c ) | 11:29 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: try ssh -oProxyCommand="ssh newtmo nc %h %p" root@fw in a new xterm | 11:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, I never had a need for that before I touched this maemo FW a few days ago | 11:30 |
| kerio | the nested ssh is ran by doc@newtmo, you can't expect *that* to have keys to the firewall | 11:31 |
| Sicelo | what exactly is happening to the fw? vm goes down? | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: you're my hero of the day :-) | 11:31 |
| kerio | if you have a properly-configured agent, the key from doc@halebop will be passed through | 11:31 |
| kerio | which is fairly neat | 11:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | while sleep 1800; do ssh -oProxyCommand="ssh newtmo nc %h %p" root@fw ./reboot1; done | 11:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | root@MaemoFirewall:~ # cat reboot1 | 11:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | #!/bin/sh | 11:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | killall reboot2 | 11:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ./reboot2& | 11:35 |
| kerio | :D | 11:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the nice thing is: it enables and tickles the reboot2 "watchdog". So when local while loop doesn't run and calls reboot1, no bootloop will happen after first reboot on FW | 11:37 |
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| kerio | well | 11:42 |
| kerio | that might be bad, too | 11:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | how might that be bad? | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except for the max 910s delay after a reboot until watchdog gets engaged? | 11:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (I chnaged sleep in my local loop to 910) | 11:48 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: if your computer ends up under a bus, we won't have any reboots! D: | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, til 2h ago you wouldn't have any reboots at all | 11:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | any with sustaining this constant semi-manual monitoring of FW, and running from "random places to my terminal at home, to give the almost dead FW a revivla boot, *I* would end under a bus in 2 days | 11:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/"/$/ | 11:54 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: any with sustaining this constant semi-manual monitoring of FW, and running from $random places to my terminal at home, to give the almost dead FW a revivla boot, *I* would end under a bus in 2 days | 11:54 |
| M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer05: Thanks a lot for keeping Maemo alive ! :) | 11:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 11:57 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: what's the RMO situation at the moment? who are we waiting for? | 13:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the "grid guy" aiui. last (related) msg from Eero been [2013-01-28 10:41:00] <mashiara> ok, stage now has an external vif that is configured but not up, local iptables needs still to be configured. (and [2013-01-28 10:58:32] <mashiara> oh, I *will* take time off when things quiet down enough for it) | 13:36 |
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| * ShadowJK hasn't (un/re)installed anything on N8x0 for couple of years now | 16:31 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [sidenote] prepare for FW reboot during next 30min | 17:03 |
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| kerio | my body is ready | 17:07 |
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| Lava_Croft | time for the unfusion, kerio | 17:20 |
| Lava_Croft | lay back and relax | 17:21 |
| Lava_Croft | this might sting | 17:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | [sidenote] FW rebooted. Tomorrow we finally might get another try on repository.maemo.org | 17:31 |
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| Lava_Croft | \o/ | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | courtesy warfare | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: don't forget tomoorow council meeting ;-) | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 1800, UTC! | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's 1900CET | 17:43 |
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| chem|st | quoting ppl sending via talk webinterface "each time m tring to connect my yappari,its always tells me connection timed out. i wil like to know wht the reason was nd what | 18:06 |
| chem|st | remedy can be proffer to it | 18:06 |
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| chem|st | btw I do not fscking care if any of your scientology-fsck-apps do not work! | 18:08 |
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| kerio | scientology? :o | 18:09 |
| thedead1440 | Sc0rpius: ^^^ Yappari issue :D | 18:11 |
| Sc0rpius | huh? | 18:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: I feel with you | 18:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: turn off all PM in tmo, I always thought it's useless and EVIL[TM] ;-) | 18:20 |
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| Estel_ | freemangordon, all new thumbs released in thumb repo should work OK and you've not announced new thumb version due to repo migration fiasco, or there is something broken there | 18:45 |
| freemangordon | they should work | 18:45 |
| Estel_ | (and/or something that require normal repos/mirrors to be set up, before updating)? | 18:45 |
| Estel_ | thanks | 18:45 |
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| Estel_ | erm, quick question to someone knowledgeable - HAM exports its repo settings to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 18:47 |
| Estel_ | it also affects apt-get | 18:47 |
| Estel_ | now, editing hildon-application-manager.list works only temporaly. Is there any way to edit it (where ham reeally stores it) without using HAM itself? | 18:48 |
| kerio | hildon-application-manager-config | 18:48 |
| kerio | you MUST use it to change ham's configuration | 18:48 |
| kerio | ~2119 | 18:49 |
| infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. | 18:49 |
| Estel_ | last thing I'm using HAM and it's slowness glory, is to keep sync between apt repos and fapman repos, so editing it directly would save me from firing up HAM ever... | 18:49 |
| Estel_ | kerio, thanks | 18:49 |
| Estel_ | regular folder or gconf entry? | 18:49 |
| kerio | no, no, binary | 18:49 |
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| Estel_ | oh lol | 18:50 |
| kerio | /usr/bin/hildon-application-manager-config | 18:50 |
| Estel_ | /etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues won't work? :P | 18:50 |
| kerio | not if HAM's running | 18:51 |
| kerio | and/or apt-worker | 18:51 |
| Estel_ | erm, how one is supposed to add repo by hildon-application-manager-config? | 18:52 |
| Estel_ | usage is quite sparse | 18:52 |
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| kerio | beats me | 18:52 |
| kerio | check the source | 18:52 |
| kerio | or community-ssu-enabler's postinst/prerm | 18:53 |
| * Estel_ nods | 18:54 | |
| kerio | Estel_: btw, have you installed the battery applet i linked you? | 18:55 |
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| Estel_ | new one without default rx51? havent seen that link yet, got 1300+ lines logged on #maemo | 18:55 |
| Estel_ | :P | 18:56 |
| Estel_ | so it's just assumption | 18:56 |
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| Estel_ | that it's something new | 18:56 |
| kerio | Estel_: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1405219/status-area-applet-battery_1.0-3%2Bkerio0_armel.deb | 18:56 |
| kerio | or, if you don't trust the binary, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1405219/status-area-applet-battery_1.0-3%2Bkerio0.tar.gz | 18:56 |
| Estel_ | OK, wtf is that? | 18:56 |
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| kerio | Estel_: magic | 18:56 |
| Estel_ | modified by you to get rid of rx51? | 18:56 |
| Estel_ | pali haven't released it yet, yep? | 18:57 |
| Estel_ | should be installed on top of bme replacement suite? | 18:57 |
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| kerio | it should work in every situation | 18:57 |
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| kerio | it's just that now rx51's design data is only used if bq27k can't provide a capacity | 18:57 |
| Estel_ | sure, but why to edit startup scripts myself if there is thing doing it made by Pali and will be compatible with his future releases | 18:57 |
| Estel_ | nice | 18:57 |
| kerio | oh, it also has a noticeably faster startup | 18:58 |
| kerio | Estel_: this is just the battery applet | 18:58 |
| Estel_ | erm, refresh my memory, what is missing as compared to vanilla bme, re functionality? | 18:58 |
| kerio | it'll work with bme too if you want | 18:58 |
| Estel_ | no, I don't :P | 18:58 |
| kerio | it's a replacement battery applet, it'll work with everything, really | 18:58 |
| Estel_ | charging from usb port works if one limits current (or automagically, already?) | 18:58 |
| Estel_ | I mean bme replace suite | 18:59 |
| kerio | oic | 18:59 |
| Estel_ | as whole | 18:59 |
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| Estel_ | does it shutdown device gently on user-defined voltage? | 18:59 |
| kerio | not user-defined | 18:59 |
| kerio | it's hardcoded at EDVF | 18:59 |
| Estel_ | so when? and why isn't it configurable?:P | 18:59 |
| kerio | which will probably be changed, because it's a bit too low | 18:59 |
| Estel_ | erm, edvf was? 2800? | 18:59 |
| kerio | accepting user configuration is a bitch | 18:59 |
| Estel_ | or 3000? | 18:59 |
| kerio | something like that, yes | 19:00 |
| kerio | no, 2800 | 19:00 |
| Estel_ | 2800 is way too low | 19:00 |
| kerio | that'll probably be changed in the future | 19:00 |
| kerio | it's a hald-addon-bme thing afaik | 19:00 |
| Estel_ | kerio, if you compiled applet with modified code, just go and modify it to accept user defined sysfs entry for shutdown, too :P | 19:00 |
| Estel_ | mhm | 19:00 |
| kerio | no, it's userspace | 19:01 |
| Estel_ | if one ask me, easiest way would be to shutdown if device is continously at or below 3000mV for 15 seconds | 19:01 |
| kerio | Estel_: why 15 seconds? | 19:01 |
| Estel_ | ...which replaces all of bme funny "low voltage peaks measurement" | 19:01 |
| kerio | just shut down at below 3000 | 19:01 |
| Estel_ | nope | 19:01 |
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| Estel_ | would waste power on peaks | 19:02 |
| kerio | ? | 19:02 |
| Estel_ | even calibration uses 15 seconds on 3248 | 19:02 |
| Estel_ | to avoid peaks | 19:02 |
| kerio | hm | 19:02 |
| kerio | you'd have to poll, though | 19:02 |
| Estel_ | well, most of the time you would be 50-100 mA above real 3000mV, if you would shutdown on peak momentary 3000 | 19:02 |
| Estel_ | hm | 19:02 |
| kerio | so it would be "15 consecutive measurements below 3000" | 19:03 |
| Estel_ | or 3, if it's measured every 5 seconds | 19:03 |
| kerio | anyway, proposals are welcome, according to Pali | 19:03 |
| kerio | i'm not sure how often hald-addon-bme updates | 19:03 |
| kerio | anyway, test my applet pls :3 | 19:03 |
| Estel_ | sure | 19:03 |
| Estel_ | does it have chances o blowing up my system, or I can skip doing full backupmenu backup?:P | 19:04 |
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| kerio | it relies on hald-addon-bme to push charging/not charging info, so if you don't use bme or the replacement, you'll only get the "charging" notification when it polls for it, every 30s | 19:04 |
| kerio | Estel_: i can almost guarantee that it'll not turn your n900 in a nuclear reactor | 19:05 |
| kerio | but not quite | 19:05 |
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| kerio | (it should be "safe" - after installing, killall hildon-status-menu) | 19:05 |
| Estel_ | ;) | 19:06 |
| Estel_ | downloading | 19:06 |
| Estel_ | btw | 19:06 |
| Estel_ | so you got your compiling enviromnent set up, after all? | 19:06 |
| kerio | i just launched the scratchbox VM | 19:06 |
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| Estel_ | I wonder if it works with virtualbox too? | 19:07 |
| Estel_ | anyway | 19:07 |
| kerio | i used virtualbox | 19:07 |
| kerio | with the default ubuntu settings | 19:07 |
| Estel_ | :) | 19:08 |
| Estel_ | no manual steps needed to fix vm image anymore, to get rid of some bugs? | 19:08 |
| merlin1991 | thumb stuff is still in there | 19:08 |
| kerio | i installed the virtualbox guest thing | 19:09 |
| merlin1991 | so you still have to clean that | 19:09 |
| kerio | oh | 19:09 |
| kerio | ...well, i sure hope Estel_ has a kernel with thumb support | 19:09 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: nah the gcc in the vm image is foobar | 19:09 |
| merlin1991 | regarding thumb | 19:09 |
| merlin1991 | so anything that ends up as thumb will be bad | 19:09 |
| merlin1991 | but I suppose your makefile does not check DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS for thumb? | 19:10 |
| Estel_ | merlin1991, thanks, I vaguely remembered smth like that. No one released fixed vm image, yet? | 19:10 |
| merlin1991 | nope | 19:10 |
| Estel_ | I would like to compile javispedro's unreleased latest version of fm radio for maemo, which allow analog passthrough without cpu... | 19:11 |
| kerio | merlin1991: i don't think so, it's pali's makefile | 19:11 |
| Estel_ | afaik it was "just compile" ready, no idea why he haven't released it... | 19:11 |
| Estel_ | but I would like to do so with new compiler and all thumb godness. Even thinking about setting dev env. from scratch, for that, gives me headache | 19:12 |
| Estel_ | (I'm coding/compiling noob, sadly) | 19:12 |
| kerio | it's just scratchbox that's awful at being good | 19:12 |
| merlin1991 | huh? | 19:14 |
| Estel_ | ~seen javispedro | 19:14 |
| infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 88d 21h 31m 46s ago, saying: 'get a macintosh!'. | 19:14 |
| Estel_ | ough | 19:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | famous last words | 19:24 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, question to you as maemo irc specialist | 19:34 |
| Estel_ | might be kind of mission impossible, yet... | 19:35 |
| Estel_ | Anywhere from 2 months ago to year ago javispedro posted here - in conversation with me - link to source code of latest, unreleased version of his radio program - it was in garage, so is probably easily findable... | 19:36 |
| Estel_ | but, in next line, he also posted link to patch, fixing some issue, patch posted "somewhere" - maybe in garage, or not | 19:36 |
| Estel_ | now my question | 19:36 |
| Estel_ | any ideas how to effectively search irc logs for it? :P | 19:36 |
| cehteh | grep | 19:36 |
| Estel_ | having this situation description | 19:37 |
| Estel_ | sure, but what to grep | 19:37 |
| kerio | javispedro and http | 19:37 |
| Estel_ | hm | 19:37 |
| cehteh | and fm maybe | 19:37 |
| Estel_ | erm, where are logs not divided by days? | 19:37 |
| Estel_ | searching every day separately = not fun | 19:37 |
| cehteh | rgrep | 19:37 |
| cehteh | grep -r | 19:37 |
| kerio | Estel_: you'd have to use your own logs | 19:37 |
| kerio | or ask someone with logs | 19:38 |
| cehteh | grep #maemo* | 19:38 |
| kerio | the web interface is quite slow to search | 19:38 |
| Estel_ | kerio, doesn't have from that moment | 19:38 |
| Estel_ | cehteh, could you elaborate? I must admit I'm quite green here, what should I rgrep, as I only know weblogs of irc | 19:38 |
| Estel_ | of this irc channel | 19:38 |
| Estel_ | it could be at #maemo or #maemo-ssu | 19:39 |
| cehteh | you have personal logs? | 19:39 |
| Estel_ | sadly, not from times in question | 19:39 |
| arcean | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2012-08-03.log.html#t2012-08-03T00:58:55 | 19:39 |
| arcean | ? | 19:39 |
| cehteh | ok then not | 19:39 |
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| Estel_ | arcean, god, how you've found it in ~30 seconds? | 19:40 |
| Estel_ | I'm speechless | 19:40 |
| cehteh | google perhaps :P | 19:40 |
| Estel_ | :P | 19:40 |
| arcean | yeah, google :) | 19:40 |
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| Estel_ | well, I feel dumb :) thanks anyway | 19:41 |
| Estel_ | in fact huge thanks | 19:42 |
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| Estel_ | kerio, see query | 19:48 |
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| kerio | merlin1991: where should i disable the thumbification? | 19:51 |
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| merlin1991 | kerio /scratchbox/users/$somename/targets/FREMANTLE_ARMEL.enironment | 19:58 |
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| merlin1991 | there should be an export line for DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS, remove the thumb part | 19:59 |
| kerio | Estel_ et al.: http://db.tt/G9cHLpNy | 19:59 |
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| Estel_ | kerio is it cfm? | 20:11 |
| kerio | yes | 20:11 |
| Estel_ | with that thing defined? | 20:11 |
| Estel_ | ~cyber-orgasm | 20:11 |
| kerio | yeah, but i can't get the "analog bypass" to work | 20:11 |
| Estel_ | oh, you always have to blow it like that? :P | 20:12 |
| Estel_ | thanks anyway, will test it | 20:12 |
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| Estel_ | surely you defined adv audio routing on correct place? | 20:12 |
| kerio | yes, yes | 20:12 |
| kerio | i mean, it appears to reduce the cpu usage *slightly* | 20:12 |
| Estel_ | ADV_AUDIO_ROUTING 1 should be responsible for it being real function, not mockup | 20:12 |
| Estel_ | ah | 20:13 |
| kerio | but not quite | 20:13 |
| Estel_ | the question is if you will be able to blow up speakers, if yes, analog passthrough is on | 20:13 |
| Estel_ | seriously though | 20:13 |
| Estel_ | tune to same station on another analog radio | 20:13 |
| Estel_ | and see if N900 sound lags behind | 20:13 |
| Estel_ | if it lags, it's digital | 20:13 |
| Estel_ | if it's sync'ed, it's analog passthrough | 20:13 |
| kerio | when i click on "analog passthrough", it jumps ahead a bit | 20:14 |
| Estel_ | installing, will test it in a few seconds | 20:15 |
| kerio | Estel_: analog passthrough goes to the headphones anyway | 20:15 |
| kerio | but it still seems at least partially controlled by pulseaudio | 20:15 |
| Estel_ | it seems that you can define other route via options, speakers aren't connected to digital only? or are? | 20:15 |
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| Estel_ | couldn't be, javispedro was quite sure, that you can't even put filter there | 20:16 |
| Estel_ | or i have no idea | 20:16 |
| kerio | i assume that the analog passthrough will default to the headphones when they're connected | 20:16 |
| kerio | aka every time, when using the radio | 20:16 |
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| Estel_ | I'm curious if it can be redefined during runtime | 20:17 |
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| Estel_ | javispedro mentioned smth about options for "defining audio route whatever you want" | 20:18 |
| * Estel_ wonders what's the difference between /usr/bin/cfmradio and /usr/bin/cfmradio.launch | 20:19 | |
| Estel_ | both seems to be binary | 20:19 |
| Estel_ | no sh wrapper | 20:19 |
| kerio | Estel_: ls -l would've shown you :) | 20:19 |
| kerio | it uses maemo-invoker | 20:19 |
| kerio | which is fairly neat, not a lot of programs do that | 20:19 |
| Estel_ | what are benefits of using maemo-launcher? | 20:20 |
| Estel_ | invoker | 20:20 |
| kerio | gtk aren't loaded again | 20:20 |
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| Estel_ | elaborate? | 20:20 |
| kerio | the binary is basically loaded as a plugin by maemo-launcher | 20:21 |
| Estel_ | neat | 20:22 |
| Estel_ | btw what the hell "reset plugin to hf" means? | 20:22 |
| kerio | i assume he meant HP as in Head Phones | 20:22 |
| Estel_ | no, it's "reset audio to hf". Headphone? why reset to headphone? | 20:22 |
| Estel_ | hp | 20:22 |
| kerio | because you can switch the audio to the speaker | 20:23 |
| kerio | or to the analog passthrough | 20:23 |
| kerio | the default would be to switch back to the headphones | 20:23 |
| Estel_ | yea, noticed that, every button have reverse one instead of toogle. no big deal | 20:23 |
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| kerio | no, it's just that there's more than one option for audio | 20:24 |
| Estel_ | finally, no kinetic scrolling | 20:24 |
| kerio | btw, i get no sound output if i click on analog passthrough twice | 20:24 |
| Estel_ | lol | 20:24 |
| kerio | i have to reset and reenable it | 20:24 |
| kerio | it's clearly not perfect | 20:24 |
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| Estel_ | analog passthrough still works, though, sound is in perfect sync with my desktop fm radio hi-fi | 20:26 |
| Estel_ | if analog passthrough is enabled | 20:26 |
| kerio | yeah, yeah | 20:26 |
| kerio | pulseaudio is still doing something though | 20:26 |
| Estel_ | yes, but much less than before, in my case | 20:26 |
| Estel_ | will measure power usage difference, later | 20:26 |
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| Estel_ | well, it definitelly could use some polishing - bug you've mentioned, + it tried to name stations by rds but get only part of it, resulting in funny names during auto-scan (I haven't found a way to change name of presets)... | 20:32 |
| Estel_ | will dig if I can find configuration files for manually editting that | 20:32 |
| Estel_ | still, lightweightness and analog passthrough as opposed to fm radio program, is amazing here | 20:32 |
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| Estel_ | + no idea who thought it's good idea to do kinetic scrolling of radio frequencies while updating them in real-time during said kinetic scroll... in FM Radio, not cfmradio, obviously | 20:33 |
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| Estel_ | after turning it off, error: | 20:35 |
| Estel_ | Memory pool destroyed but not all memory blocks freed! 4368 remain | 20:35 |
| Estel_ | does it mean what I think it mean? | 20:35 |
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| kerio | idk | 20:37 |
| kerio | does it? | 20:37 |
| kerio | measure the memory usage of maemo-launcher | 20:37 |
| kerio | i can recompile it without maemo-launcher support i think | 20:37 |
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| Estel_ | well, every time count of left blocks is different | 20:40 |
| Estel_ | if you just open and close it, no such message | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://privatepaste.com/b6376f142f guess when I booted the FW ;-) | 20:40 |
| Estel_ | after some usage, the loinger you use it and mess with more options, the higher number of blocks remain | 20:41 |
| Estel_ | memory leak? :/ | 20:41 |
| Estel_ | kerio^ | 20:41 |
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| kerio | Estel_: maybe, idk | 20:42 |
| kerio | would it persist, is the real question | 20:42 |
| LinuxCode | hmmm | 20:43 |
| LinuxCode | Im trying to reinstall my N900, but the link to extras doesnt seem to work | 20:43 |
| kerio | LinuxCode: /topic | 20:43 |
| Estel_ | no idea why ;) | 20:43 |
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| Estel_ | ~repos-down | 20:43 |
| Estel_ | ~repo-down | 20:43 |
| kerio | ~mirrors | 20:43 |
| infobot | rumour has it, repo-down is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-20.log.html#t2013-01-20T02:08:42, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-30.log.html#t2013-01-30T00:51:04 | 20:43 |
| infobot | from memory, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 20:43 |
| Estel_ | ~migration-fiasco | 20:43 |
| kerio | Estel_: fu | 20:43 |
| Estel_ | can't remember how it was called | 20:43 |
| Estel_ | what? :D | 20:44 |
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| LinuxCode | hmmm | 20:44 |
| kerio | LinuxCode: you chose quite the fun time to reinstall your n900 | 20:44 |
| kerio | but it's ok, because it means that you can also install cssu | 20:44 |
| Estel_ | but it's still possible | 20:44 |
| LinuxCode | no kidding | 20:44 |
| Estel_ | and quite easy to do | 20:44 |
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| Estel_ | just turn off regular repos and enable mirrors | 20:44 |
| kerio | i recommend merlin1991's extras-devel-light and community-testing-light repos | 20:44 |
| LinuxCode | kerio, I resized my N900, but failed, with the rescue image it worked | 20:45 |
| kerio | they're light | 20:45 |
| Estel_ | MartinK_N9, kudos for modRana cobs repo approach | 20:45 |
| Estel_ | youmre quite independent from migration fiasco problems (unless we're talking about dependencies, which may be in downed repo...) | 20:45 |
| Estel_ | just defined modrana cobs in fam and it's amazingly easy and fun to use, instead of messing with repos. I just wonder how it would be handled if migration to cobs would be ever performed? | 20:46 |
| Estel_ | separate repo entry for every package? | 20:46 |
| kerio | cobs? wtf is cobs? | 20:46 |
| kerio | eeeeeew | 20:46 |
| Estel_ | kerio, MartinK_N9 created cobs for modrana | 20:46 |
| Estel_ | even before fiasco | 20:46 |
| kerio | yeah but wtf is cobs | 20:46 |
| Estel_ | community obs | 20:46 |
| Estel_ | aka painless approach to repositories, bulding (bye bye outdated autobuilder) and everything(tm) | 20:47 |
| Estel_ | and thing that was meanto to be the way maemo repos will migrate, until our volounteer staff got lazy due to nokia donating too much hardware and paid worktime, top migrate depreciated autobuilder and co | 20:48 |
| Estel_ | /rant | 20:48 |
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| Estel_ | which is why we're still in limbo, instead of using shiny cobs | 20:48 |
| Estel_ | lol @ Merlin1973 | 20:48 |
| Estel_ | kerio, where the fuck cfm radio keeps configs, like presets? | 20:49 |
| Estel_ | can't seem to find it | 20:49 |
| kerio | where the fuck am i supposed to know | 20:49 |
| kerio | *how | 20:49 |
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| kerio | i suppose "where" is the source | 20:50 |
| Estel_ | you just compiled the source code! :D | 20:50 |
| Estel_ | now be prepared to be treated as deity and need to know answer to every question | 20:50 |
| Estel_ | compiling is step into heaven's throne | 20:50 |
| Estel_ | seriously though | 20:50 |
| kerio | are they even saved | 20:51 |
| Estel_ | yes, they are | 20:51 |
| kerio | i gave you the tarball, you tell me | 20:51 |
| Estel_ | :P | 20:51 |
| Estel_ | will investigate it later, it isn't in any obvious locaion | 20:52 |
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| kerio | oh, gconf | 20:54 |
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| kerio | Estel_: /apps/maemo/cfmradio | 20:55 |
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| LinuxCode | kerio, was repository.maemo.org up at all ? | 20:56 |
| LinuxCode | before | 20:56 |
| kerio | before the migration? sure | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: stop telling BS and insulting volunteers | 20:56 |
| LinuxCode | or has it been down since the move | 20:56 |
| LinuxCode | omg | 20:56 |
| LinuxCode | k | 20:56 |
| LinuxCode | so its been down since the move | 20:56 |
| LinuxCode | ;-| | 20:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: I'm tolerating zero such behaviour anymore of you | 20:58 |
| kerio | it's not easy to keep a server up when akamai DDoSes it | 20:58 |
| LinuxCode | is that what is happening ? | 20:59 |
| LinuxCode | how come ?!? | 20:59 |
| kerio | it was the original problem, yes | 20:59 |
| kerio | because nokia used akamai | 20:59 |
| kerio | and when the migration happened, akamai decided that it had to redownload the whole of rmo | 20:59 |
| LinuxCode | ohh man | 20:59 |
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| LinuxCode | iptables cant fix it ? | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~repo-down | 21:00 |
| infobot | well, repo-down is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-20.log.html#t2013-01-20T02:08:42, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-30.log.html#t2013-01-30T00:51:04 | 21:00 |
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| LinuxCode | the maemo packages are signed correct ? | 21:02 |
| kerio | the signing of the repository isn't the problem, the problem is that the default package manager only wants packages from certain repos | 21:03 |
| kerio | wants certain packages, that is | 21:03 |
| LinuxCode | no, Im asking because I have a suggestion to make | 21:03 |
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| LinuxCode | how about using mirrors ? | 21:03 |
| LinuxCode | like we do in Fedora | 21:03 |
| kerio | ~mirrors | 21:03 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143 | 21:03 |
| LinuxCode | kerio, Im talking about more than two ;-p | 21:04 |
| kerio | there's three | 21:04 |
| LinuxCode | ok three | 21:04 |
| kerio | we can barely afford one server, let alone one for each country | 21:04 |
| LinuxCode | Fedoras kind mirror providers have a total bw capacity of 234GB | 21:05 |
| LinuxCode | you missed the point I was making | 21:05 |
| LinuxCode | free to you | 21:05 |
| kerio | anyway, the problem isn't the lack of mirrors, the problem is the lack of infrastructure, at the moment | 21:05 |
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| kerio | and the fact that the currently-active n900s will still hammer repository.maemo.org | 21:06 |
| LinuxCode | k | 21:06 |
| kerio | for the extras repo | 21:06 |
| kerio | eventually yeah, having mirrors would be good, especially if free :) | 21:06 |
| LinuxCode | just a suggestion | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LinuxCode: skeiron for example has a load of maybe 1% of available bandwidth | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so how would more mirrors help? | 21:07 |
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| LinuxCode | DocScrutinizer05, if akamai keeps hammering | 21:10 |
| LinuxCode | anyway, I know nothing about all that so I just shut up | 21:10 |
| LinuxCode | was just an idea | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | akamai servers are down, DNS stage.maemo.org is gone | 21:11 |
| LinuxCode | k | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tomorrow we start another effort to ramp up repo.m.o again | 21:11 |
| LinuxCode | kk | 21:11 |
| LinuxCode | btwm thank you for all your efforts | 21:13 |
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| LinuxCode | -m | 21:13 |
| LinuxCode | it is really appreciated | 21:13 |
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| Lava_Croft | i wonder how much fun it would be to contact nokia care about the repos being down | 21:22 |
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| kerio | "your device is out of warranty. by the way, did you know that lumias are really great?" | 21:23 |
| Lava_Croft | they already tried that with an N8 when i sent in my first n900 for repairs | 21:23 |
| Lava_Croft | took me several months to get a n900 back:< | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Lava_Croft: I'm seriously encouraging you to do exactly that, call Nokia care and ask what's up with the repos, with tablets-dev.nokia.com(!) and generally with their support for a product you still can buy *new* with 2 years warranty in the EU | 21:25 |
| kerio | LinuxCode: anyway, install CSSU | 21:25 |
| kerio | (if you haven't already) | 21:25 |
| LinuxCode | I had it installed before yes | 21:25 |
| Lava_Croft | I already mentioned the strangeness regarding the support for the n900 | 21:26 |
| Lava_Croft | they already decided it was end of life in 2010 | 21:26 |
| Lava_Croft | when i sent in mine for repairs | 21:26 |
| Lava_Croft | nokia care monkey did not have an answer | 21:26 |
| Lava_Croft | he did mention how symbian belle would be awesome | 21:26 |
| LinuxCode | kerio, installing CSSSU fresh is just adding the repo right ? | 21:26 |
| kerio | LinuxCode: not quite | 21:26 |
| LinuxCode | I seem to recall there was a package | 21:26 |
| Lava_Croft | LinuxCode: you click a link | 21:26 |
| Lava_Croft | on a wiki page | 21:27 |
| LinuxCode | which also did the kernel ? | 21:27 |
| Lava_Croft | thats all | 21:27 |
| kerio | LinuxCode: which cssu flavour do you want? | 21:27 |
| LinuxCode | ehhh | 21:27 |
| kerio | no, the kernel is still untouched by cssu | 21:27 |
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| kerio | LinuxCode: stable or testing? | 21:27 |
| Lava_Croft | LinuxCode: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 21:27 |
| LinuxCode | ohh stable | 21:27 |
| LinuxCode | please | 21:27 |
| Lava_Croft | click Stable image | 21:27 |
| Lava_Croft | read page | 21:27 |
| LinuxCode | k | 21:27 |
| Lava_Croft | or the other way around:) | 21:27 |
| kerio | disclaimer: cssu stable is stable as in debian stable | 21:27 |
| LinuxCode | ta Lava_Croft kerio | 21:27 |
| Lava_Croft | np | 21:27 |
| kerio | LinuxCode: hold on though | 21:27 |
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| kerio | follow the instructions, at some point it'll ask you to do a system upgrade | 21:28 |
| kerio | before doing that you'll have to enable a mirror for the "community" repo | 21:28 |
| LinuxCode | k | 21:28 |
| kerio | oh, and unless you've enabled a mirror for "extras", you won't be able to install backupmenu | 21:28 |
| kerio | find a way to install it | 21:28 |
| kerio | it is good | 21:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~seen wirr | 21:28 |
| infobot | wirr <~wirr@xdsl-188-155-55-161.adslplus.ch> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 19h 15m 35s ago, saying: 'cool... thanks - night'. | 21:28 |
| LinuxCode | kerio, kk | 21:28 |
| LinuxCode | seesm the wiki covers most of what you just said, thank you | 21:29 |
| kerio | full on-device backups aren't common, are they | 21:29 |
| Lava_Croft | the only time i used backupmenu it completely failed to put the backup back in place | 21:29 |
| Lava_Croft | thats probably fixed by now thouh | 21:29 |
| kerio | Lava_Croft: when did you do that? | 21:29 |
| Lava_Croft | quite a while ago:) | 21:29 |
| kerio | yeah, the first version was absolute crap | 21:30 |
| kerio | and then it was turned into gold | 21:30 |
| Lava_Croft | it completely broke | 21:30 |
| Lava_Croft | yeah, i know | 21:30 |
| kerio | kinda like king midas | 21:30 |
| Lava_Croft | but that negative experience will always remain | 21:30 |
| kerio | Lava_Croft: BACKUP YOUR N900! >:C | 21:30 |
| Lava_Croft | thats the power of negative experiences | 21:30 |
| kerio | he should've changed the name maybe | 21:30 |
| Lava_Croft | i think i actually removed the backup i had on the device | 21:31 |
| Lava_Croft | not too long ago | 21:31 |
| Lava_Croft | i mean, as long as i dont touch anything and repos are down, im safe | 21:31 |
| Lava_Croft | :) | 21:31 |
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| Estel_ | DocScrutinizer05, "critics are users too". As said, always, things presented by me are my personal opinion and no one is forced to agree with me | 21:45 |
| Estel_ | I'm doing it in polite way, without demanding anything | 21:46 |
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| Estel_ | so I will keep my right to think that some decisions made by volounteers may be bad too | 21:46 |
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| Estel_ | if you're certain that anything other than eternal gratefulness to hildon foundation staff isn't permitted on this channel, kick/ban me, and I'll have to live with giving this place a laugh *shrug* | 21:47 |
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| Estel_ | not to mentiin that I'm not bombing anyone about my opinions - just dropped a comment or two when someone asked about this certain thing | 21:47 |
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| Estel_ | so, gtfo of me, kindly. thanks. | 21:47 |
| Estel_ | s/of/from/ | 21:47 |
| infobot | Estel_ meant: so, gtfo from me, kindly. thanks. | 21:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Estel_: I give a shit who does or does not agree with you and what you declare your statements. Stop telling BS and don't insult people. This is an official warning | 22:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | to make it utterly clear to you so there will be no missunderstandings: "volounteer staff got lazy due to nokia donating too much hardware and paid worktime" | 22:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | will not be tolerated | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no matter what you declare it to be | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even if your next lime is "just kidding" you earn a ban on next such statement | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | was this clear and understandable enough for you? | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm willing to elaborate even further if you still don't see why such staement is a) based on outright false propositions, a whole bunch of them, and b) an insult | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, no. On second thought I'm not, since i'm sure you already know but would troll me to explain it to you | 22:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I even admit that I'd probably not even notice such nonsense when anybody else would post it. It's just for your extremely long record of purposely using this type of twisting facts into lies and then salting them with an insult. | 22:27 |
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| muellisoft | oh noez. http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php seems to be down. Does anyone have the flasher and an n900 image..? | 23:46 |
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| jacekowski | i do | 23:47 |
| jacekowski | http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/ | 23:47 |
| Muelli | jacekowski: nice. | 23:47 |
| jacekowski | http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/firmware/ - firmware is here | 23:47 |
| Muelli | jacekowski: do you happen to have the flasher executable lying around, too? I.e. not the deb package? I don't really mind unpacking that stuff, but if you happen to have that handy, it'd be appreciated. | 23:48 |
| jacekowski | nope | 23:49 |
| jacekowski | just .deb | 23:49 |
| jacekowski | or windows .exe | 23:49 |
| Muelli | FWIW: https://muelli.cryptobitch.de/tmp/2013-01-31-flasher-3.5 | 23:50 |
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| Muelli | gonna be fun to run your backdoored firmware ;-) | 23:51 |
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| Muelli | first the firmware then the eMMC, right? | 23:53 |
| jacekowski | no | 23:53 |
| merlin1991 | ~flashing | 23:55 |
| infobot | from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 23:55 |
| kerio | if the system is working, you can do vanilla and then combined | 23:55 |
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