IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Friday, 2012-08-03

freemangordon	jonwil: maybe if you look what is upstream and compare it with what is in maemo will give us a clue.	00:00
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jonwil	ok	00:00
freemangordon	if it is the same, then iface replacement does not make sense	00:00
DocScrutinizer05	struct wl1251_magic {int magic1; int magic2; int magic3} wl1251;	00:00
zeq	O_o	00:01
DocScrutinizer05	hehehe	00:01
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: where did you get that from?	00:01
DocScrutinizer05	made it up	00:01
zeq	:)	00:01
freemangordon	aah, I was thinking that you found it in upstreamed driver :D	00:01
DocScrutinizer05	but I bet that's about what you'll find in any 'FOSS' driver	00:01
kerio	goddammit my 0.02 were useless :(	00:02
freemangordon	http://www.valot.fi/kalle/tmp/wl12xx/wl12xx-2.6.28-1.patch	00:03
freemangordon	http://markmail.org/thread/xummknezx5r66fha	00:03
zeq	kerio: didn't cover as much as we hoped	00:03
kerio	you guys ended up compromising!	00:03
Estel_	shhh	00:03
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, doesn't know yet	00:03
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: does not look like that	00:03
Estel_	enjoy peace before storm	00:03
kerio	now i'll have to flash the compromising kernel and then kernel-power again	00:04
zeq	looks quite well documented ^^^	00:04
freemangordon	yeah, no magic so far in the patch	00:04
DocScrutinizer05	meh, which storm. If you think you don't need my advice, I'll simply beat up each single one of you separately if ever there's any problem arising that I could've warned you about	00:05
zeq	sounds fair :)	00:06
DocScrutinizer05	my spiders already collecting your N900's IMEI, ser#, MAC, ip-route etc	00:07
freemangordon	wl12xx_op_add_interface(struct ieee80211_hw *hw,	00:07
freemangordon	+ struct ieee80211_if_init_conf *conf)	00:07
freemangordon	well, that looks pretty much coming from upper layers	00:08
freemangordon	not something specific to wl1251	00:08
DocScrutinizer05	and one "thumbs down" from me will probably cost CSSU 80% of users	00:09
DocScrutinizer05	so you better keep me happy ;-P	00:09
* freemangordon sends DocScrutinizer05 a beer		00:09
Estel_	You think that CSSu is used by 5 people only?	00:09
* Estel_ send DocScrutinizer a kiss ;)		00:10
DocScrutinizer05	unless you want CSSU for your own proivate idaho, in which case you better fork anyway	00:10
freemangordon	anyway, I am out of cigarettes, so better have some sleep	00:11
Estel_	:)	00:11
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, I'm positively surprised by your sense of humour - it's due to vacations?	00:11
zeq	goodnight freemangordon	00:11
Estel_	I hope that this remakr about thumb down and 805 of cssu users was also part of this nice humour (no irony)	00:11
Estel_	night, free	00:12
freemangordon	night guys	00:12
Estel_	s/805/80%/	00:12
zeq	I'm sure there was irony :)	00:12
Estel_	no, it's just "people mean well" :D	00:12
Estel_	I don't suspect DocScrutinizer of being THAT kind of self-convince one.	00:13
Estel_	and bashing, if problems arise, seems fair to me too	00:13
DocScrutinizer05	Estel_: you already should've learnt that none of my posts consists of 0% or 100% humor	00:13
jonwil	ok, its definatly zzz time now	00:13
jonwil	Looks like we had a good meeting	00:13
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, exactly my thoughts :)	00:13
jonwil	and I know now that wl1251-cal and bluetooth-cal stuff	00:13
zeq	yeah, jonwil, what time is it there?!?	00:13
jonwil	stuff IS worth working on	00:13
jonwil	its 5am :P	00:14
Estel_	ouh	00:14
zeq	yeah, ouch	00:14
zeq	get some good rest	00:14
jonwil	good to be there for the important stuff though	00:14
jonwil	cya	00:14
Estel_	then I understand Your repeated questions about "I'm i really needed here?"	00:14
zeq	night	00:14
Estel_	see ya!	00:14
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zeq	I'd better be off too....	00:14
DocScrutinizer05	and particularly my statement about a lot of users pinging me in PM to keep on struggling for a sane CSSU is not any joke	00:14
DocScrutinizer05	just the 80% is merely made up	00:15
DocScrutinizer05	maybe it's 4% or 97%	00:15
zeq	Good night DocScrutinizer05, Estel_	00:15
Estel_	Good night!	00:16
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, but they're same users using different names ;P	00:16
DocScrutinizer05	cya zeq	00:16
DocScrutinizer05	Estel_: I'm not an idiot, even when you don't believe that	00:16
Estel_	but, seriously this time, just read backlogs, I think you will be satisfied by outcome too :)	00:17
DocScrutinizer05	and my post about spiders also wadsn't 100% joke	00:17
Estel_	especially, that You were sympathetic to fixing pselect bug	00:17
Estel_	No worries, my cat eats spiders.	00:17
DocScrutinizer05	pselect bug is a valid reason to get CSSU kernel, IF and ONLY IF we can demonstrate the issue on stock kernel	00:17
Estel_	well, d-bus seems to use pselect quite often	00:18
Estel_	which arises both performance concerns, and possibility of race, which should be avoided at all cost	00:18
DocScrutinizer05	I would believe that in 0.0001 second	00:18
DocScrutinizer05	d-bus is so fubar ther HAS TO be some massive bug sleeping in it	00:19
merlin1991	Estel_: Doc is talking about showing the bug, which basically means someone has to write a really nasty testcase that manages to show the race condition	00:19
Estel_	also, upstream adopted this fix in kernel 2.6.30 for reason, too	00:19
DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: exactly	00:19
Estel_	merlin1991, there was one, zeq presented it to DocScrutinizer, but DocScrutinizer wasn't satisfied by aesthetic side of this	00:19
merlin1991	basically a lop of some pselect calls that make sense together with a signal sender	00:19
merlin1991	and ofc madness	00:19
DocScrutinizer05	almost correct, Estel_	00:19
Estel_	also, I still think that in our little world (N900) case, arguing with upstream is quite silly	00:19
DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: there's such code already	00:20
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer05: what's keeping you unconvinced then?	00:20
merlin1991	btw I made a really nasty mistake here	00:20
DocScrutinizer05	missing post to ML, showing a scientific review and the results of this test	00:21
merlin1991	flashed only rootfs when I had a quite different kernel flashed	00:21
kerio	merlin1991: D:	00:21
kerio	well	00:21
kerio	flash the kernel	00:21
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, last time you were not satisfied by this code displaying stats, and stoppind when encounter bug - you wanted it to display info on encountering bug, instead of stoppiong doing so. IIRC	00:21
Estel_	that's why I called it aesthetic	00:21
Estel_	concern. May be wrong, though	00:21
kerio	and then install backupmenu and unpack the backup you have	00:21
merlin1991	kerio: did it already, but I spend a few minutes wondering why I'm having a silly reboot loop	00:21
kerio	reflash all the things! _ò/	00:22
Estel_	well, once I recovered old backup, because I realized 5 minutes too late, that hanging on reboot was caused by typo in rcS_late	00:22
DocScrutinizer05	Estel_: incorrect, I asked to point me to the quote that explains what this code is supposed to do, freemangordon(?) pointed me to comment#6 which provides exactly what I asked for	00:22
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Estel_	DocScrutinizer, I see. so, after all, you're satisfied with it?	00:23
DocScrutinizer05	I'd be if I'd see the results posted somewhere	00:23
Estel_	somewhere = mailing list? Why so?	00:23
merlin1991	btw DocScrutinizer05 the possible race condition is even on wikipedia :D	00:24
merlin1991	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_loop#Handling_signals	00:24
DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: I know	00:25
DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: does that wiki also say 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown does NOT have any fix for it?	00:26
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer05: that part is what we have zeq for ;)	00:27
DocScrutinizer05	well, that's what I ask for. DEMONSTRATE we got a problem on stock kernel, so everybody noob can read it, and I'll support a fix. No discussion about that	00:30
DocScrutinizer05	CSSU is about fixing problems	00:30
DocScrutinizer05	getting a new kernel for 10% performance increase is creating new problems, not fixing any	00:30
DocScrutinizer05	fixing pselect IF WE CAN	00:30
DocScrutinizer05	DEMONSTRATE	00:31
DocScrutinizer05	it bites us on stock kernel, is absolutely in line with CSSU (given the negative aspects of bug are way more severe than the negative aspects of the fix)	00:32
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer05: do you have a link to the sample code?	00:32
DocScrutinizer05	leem check if I still got the window open	00:32
DocScrutinizer05	https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/319729	00:33
DocScrutinizer05	is the comment#6 I mentioned above	00:33
merlin1991	arf it's 404	00:34
merlin1991	hm how does one use the google cache again?	00:34
DocScrutinizer05	http://people.canonical.com/~scott/childspin.c is dead	00:34
DocScrutinizer05	:-/	00:34
kerio	is that like meatspin?	00:34
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, actually, 10% performance would be worth it :)	00:35
Estel_	not to mention, that it's not only about it	00:35
DocScrutinizer05	no, definitely not	00:35
Estel_	yes, definitelly yes, in device that have such potential, but so scarce resources.	00:35
DocScrutinizer05	no normal user gives a fuck about 10% performance boost	00:36
kerio	the n900 has no normal users, realistically	00:36
Estel_	10% substitutes for 100 mhz oveclock, in most devices, without drawbacks.	00:36
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: wrong	00:36
Estel_	normal suers doesn't use cssu	00:36
Estel_	users, ffs	00:36
Estel_	what I have with this "sue" thing :p	00:36
DocScrutinizer05	Estel_: wrong	00:36
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, I buy n900 from "normal users" few times a month	00:36
DocScrutinizer05	see?	00:37
Estel_	they don't have rootsh, cssu, but, suprisingly, the have kernel-power	00:37
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer05: found the source somewhere else https://launchpadlibrarian.net/34502840/childspin.c	00:37
DocScrutinizer05	and those are only the ones that sell their device	00:37
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, because majority of normal users never heard of maemo.org website?	00:37
Estel_	anyone else isn't normal user anymore	00:37
DocScrutinizer05	Estel_: CSSU is for normal users BY DEFINITION	00:37
DocScrutinizer05	it's the founding preamble of CSSU	00:38
Estel_	so missed target group, as users of custom-installable repo, TMO, and other resources like that isn't normal anymore	00:38
Estel_	normal guy buy phone to make phone calls and sms'es	00:38
DocScrutinizer05	your definition of 'normal' is flawed	00:38
Estel_	Youcould target "normal users" if Nokia would make PR out of cssu, otherwis,e it require custom actions	00:38
Estel_	to install	00:38
Estel_	well, normal as in % of n900 owners?	00:39
Estel_	I suspect no more than 305 of them have been to TMO, even once	00:39
Estel_	30%	00:39
Estel_	s/305/30%/	00:39
DocScrutinizer05	I knew about that flawed concept when I seen you thinking that every "normal N900 user" is supposed to read tmo	00:39
Estel_	TMO OR wiki	00:39
Estel_	well, you need to know about things from somewhere, yep?	00:40
Estel_	or mailing list	00:40
Estel_	any of those	00:40
Estel_	not necessary all of them	00:40
Estel_	sadly, people doing so are far from normal phone users, anyway	00:40
DocScrutinizer05	90% of N900 (or any other device) users won't give a fuck about wiki, fora, IRC whatever	00:40
Estel_	and they don't use cssu	00:40
DocScrutinizer05	CSSU is for them, as well	00:40
Estel_	cause how they can know about it, without doing so?	00:40
DocScrutinizer05	that's a good questions, and a problem you should tackle	00:41
Estel_	also, if they don't give a fuck, but use cssu, they don't give a fuck about kernel used, too	00:41
Estel_	as long as it works	00:41
DocScrutinizer05	rather than thinking of CSSU as the geeks' breeding-edge distro	00:41
DocScrutinizer05	bleeding even	00:41
Estel_	where we comes to situation, where you're right about beating everyone involved if serious problems arise	00:41
Estel_	no no	00:41
Estel_	kernel-power is for bleeding-edge	00:42
Estel_	no one said kernel in cssu will contain bq2415x_charger and such things, before proven stable	00:42
Estel_	after proven stable, though, no reasons why not.	00:42
DocScrutinizer05	Estel_: let's say I managed a product, while you obviously didn't yet	00:42
Estel_	sure. which doesn't make you better suited to discuss it :)	00:42
Estel_	it's just equal	00:42
DocScrutinizer05	and let's assume it's true that I get private mail asking me to not stop with what i'm doing for CSSU	00:43
merlin1991	hm compiled the sample code, and it's still running	00:43
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, irrelevant, You imagine how many mails and psots cssu team get about including various features?	00:43
Estel_	even ones that shouldn't get into cssu?	00:43
Estel_	usually 1 feature request per day ;P	00:43
Estel_	negatrons are not better in any way than those people	00:43
Estel_	cssu need to follow common sense and logic - it works -> it gives benefits - > it doesn't cause regression - > include	00:44
DocScrutinizer05	well, the difference is, my requests are in line with CSSU foundation manifest, while yours are noobs who didn't get the idea of CSSU	00:44
Estel_	of course it mean core system components, like kernel	00:44
Estel_	or toolchain	00:44
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, sophism and demagogic approach. "Mine are better than yours"	00:44
DocScrutinizer05	if you want sometjing that CSSU definitely is NOT, you're free to fork	00:45
Estel_	it's jsut about interpretation of CSSU manifest, and merlin1991 seems to share "common sense" way of looking at it. Last time I checked, he and MohammadAG were maintainers	00:45
merlin1991	srly Estel_ relax	00:45
Estel_	same apply in reverse - if You want cssu-lite to contain less, You're free to fork	00:45
Estel_	merlin1991, why so? i'm relaxed	00:45
DocScrutinizer05	it's however bad habit to try and redefine a project on the fly, just because you're too lazy to fork	00:45
Estel_	we're discussing, in civil way, i suppose, no anger here from any party (I hope) for sure not from my side	00:45
DocScrutinizer05	or have even worse reasons to try and change CSSU to something differnet	00:46
merlin1991	hm this testhtingy is still running	00:46
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, the main questions always remain - IMO - a) does it work well b) does it give benefits c) does it cause regression d) how much time we need to work on it	00:46
Estel_	aka feasiobility	00:46
kerio	i propose changing cssu-thumb in cssu-leet	00:46
Estel_	+ minor but important aspects, like maintainability, etc	00:46
Estel_	every thing discussed today have allo of them fullfiled	00:47
Estel_	fix included in upstream, well documented, people interested to work on it and maintain it, benefits, no regressions.	00:47
Estel_	it's about practice > ideology.	00:47
Estel_	You're free to beat anyone involved if it cause serious problems, but not before, just "to be on safe side"	00:48
DocScrutinizer05	a) it works well for those who use it b) it has benefits for them, without any changes of the policies c) the point is it mustn't have regressions that are not inevitable and d) it's your time. don't worry about our time!	00:48
Estel_	merlin1991, about testhingy - no idea, You're better asking zeq about it	00:48
Estel_	well, future will tell - I'm sure it will end like thumb thing after all, i.e. perfectly doable and benefitable, without regressions	00:49
Estel_	lets see what future will bring :)	00:49
Estel_	atfer all, nothing is un-rollback-able	00:50
DocScrutinizer05	Estel_: that's a BS statement, sorry. CSSU policy and manifest will not 'end' anywhere - it IS	00:50
Estel_	in worst case scenario, which isn't going to come, in my humble opinion.	00:50
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, and what you will do? Lie in the path of train as act of protest? last time you've said "well, if You think like that it's ok, i'll beat You if something goes wrong"	00:51
Estel_	which is fair	00:51
Estel_	I'm also eager to see what future will bring	00:51
Estel_	and it seems to be best conclusion	00:51
DocScrutinizer05	Estel_: you're again short of arguments and thus starting to use your annoying tedious style which I'll ignore like I always do. cya	00:52
Estel_	no worries, if this makes you happy during this pleasant summer time, we may agree that i'm short of arguments :)	00:52
Estel_	see ya.	00:52
javispedro	ah, the winds of maemo never change.	00:54
DocScrutinizer05	javispedro: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yeeeeehaaaaaa! hello ol'fart!	00:55
javispedro	:D hello!	00:55
merlin1991	javispedro: any idea why tracker indexers like the flc ones are missing if you udpate the core tracker package?	00:55
merlin1991	s/flc/flac/	00:56
infobot	merlin1991 meant: javispedro: any idea why tracker indexers like the flac ones are missing if you udpate the core tracker package?	00:56
javispedro	you get me thinking when did tracker gain fuzzy logic capabilities...	00:56
javispedro	*got	00:56
javispedro	last time the flac indexers stopped working, they were horribly packaged/optified, linking to non-existing libraries.	00:57
javispedro	since then they have always worked for me.	00:57
javispedro	there was this big libFLAC/pulseaudio/maemo-optify triangle of DOOM.	00:57
merlin1991	well since we updated tracker in -testing users have been claiming that tracker did not index ogg / flac / whatever fancy extra codec anymore if the support was installed prior to the update	00:58
Estel_	javispedro, hi there :) abusing Your presence - could You, please, link me to your latest, unreleased in repos version of radio program for N900?	00:58
merlin1991	playback from filemanager still works though	00:58
javispedro	merlin1991: maybe ABI change?	00:58
merlin1991	and I found out that by reinstalling ogg-support (it does ogg and flac) tracker suddenly indexed again	00:58
merlin1991	and abi change, well all we did was apply your patches :D	00:58
javispedro	Estel_: https://github.com/javispedro/cfmradio.git	00:58
Estel_	javispedro, any concerns if I would put it to the repos, of course crediting You properly?	00:58
Estel_	thanks	00:58
javispedro	Estel_: not much difference I think from what was packaged	00:59
javispedro	Estel_: most of it was just testing stuff	00:59
Estel_	I see	00:59
javispedro	(iirc there were some additional nonsense buttons in the appmenu for changing audio routes)	00:59
Estel_	I remember something about possibility ot define output for audio, and it's volume	00:59
Estel_	which was lacking in released version	00:59
Estel_	or smth like that	01:00
javispedro	did not play with volume	01:00
javispedro	but you can trigger the analog bypass	01:00
javispedro	so that radio uses 0% cpu time	01:00
javispedro	but then you might fry your speakers	01:00
javispedro	choice is yours! ;)	01:00
Estel_	It's possible to use analog bypass with this radio? 0_o?	01:00
Estel_	awesome	01:00
Estel_	someone told me long time ago, that it's almsot undoable in N900 :)	01:00
Estel_	javispedro, we have (currently not included in our upstream) kernel-module for filtering output for speakers	01:01
Estel_	maybe it would be good reason to revive it	01:01
javispedro	Estel_: analog will bypass that too.	01:01
Estel_	I see	01:01
Estel_	any way to put lowpass filter alongside analog output?	01:01
Estel_	or it's just so 1337 that it will bypass everything?	01:01
Estel_	stupid android uses analog bypass, and somehow, they don't blow up speakers	01:02
javispedro	there were some talks about implementing the filters on the audio chip itself (forgot the name :/)	01:02
javispedro	maybe that's what the kernel module does? I have no idea which kernel module are you talking about btw.	01:02
Estel_	javispedro, yeah, isn't that related to kernel module talking with that chip?	01:02
Estel_	yea, it was this thing	01:03
Estel_	on audio chip, can't recall name though	01:03
Estel_	so, analog bypass is available on git versin only, not in the pre-compiled one?	01:03
javispedro	only git	01:03
javispedro	also you need to #define sth, lemme check	01:03
Estel_	why the hell haven't You released it? It's awesome, for us, radio fans	01:04
Estel_	:)	01:04
javispedro	https://github.com/javispedro/cfmradio/blob/510f98cf1749ddae72aebf1d9f8561ebff56831f/cfmradio.c#L11	01:04
javispedro	#define ADV_AUDIO_ROUTING 1 there	01:05
* Estel_ nods		01:05
Estel_	is switching this from gui implemented, or is it decided on compile time (bypassing or not)	01:05
javispedro	gui	01:05
Estel_	great, thanks a lot	01:05
javispedro	hit the menu and you'll see some extra buttons	01:06
Estel_	And I suppose that you had it ready for ages, just not released? And we struggled with FM Radio for years? You cruel one :)	01:06
javispedro	struggled?	01:06
javispedro	it's just some mixer setting	01:07
Estel_	it's irritating as hell, the msot popular FM Radio	01:07
Estel_	when it crashes, N900 microphone stop working	01:07
Estel_	wise heads were shaking at it, without finding out "why"	01:07
Estel_	only reboot solve it	01:07
javispedro	same would happen to mine	01:07
Estel_	OTOh, CFM Radio is great, just lacked few things sitting in your git for ages :)	01:07
Estel_	no idea why, but CFM radio never resulted in such weirdness for me	01:08
javispedro	(but I guess mine crashes slightly less often, being so simple and everything)	01:08
Estel_	or any other radio program, other than fm radio	01:08
* Estel_ nods		01:08
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javispedro	I prefer the N950/N9 radio hardware, despite the fact you'll never get 0% cpu usage playing there.	01:09
Estel_	whats ie better there, then?	01:09
javispedro	faster tuning and digital audio output	01:09
javispedro	and you don't even need to turn bt on	01:09
Estel_	well, on N900 we also have digital audio output, just not connected anywhere... like fmtx in N950/N9 :P	01:09
Estel_	I see	01:09
javispedro	I still don't know if fmtx is connected or not on n9.	01:10
Estel_	reportedly, isn't, but it may be urban legend. On N950, it seems that it isn't for sure	01:10
javispedro	On N950 it's the actual tx hardware missing.	01:10
Estel_	I wonder, if on N950 it is modable? I wasn't able top trace visible track	01:10
javispedro	the wl127x variant used just doesn't have it.	01:10
Estel_	hm, reportedly, it was present, but not connected, although, I have no idea how reliable this info is	01:10
Estel_	so is this whole "unconnected fmtx" a urban myth, then?	01:11
javispedro	no one really seems to know the n950 hardware for certain around.	01:11
Estel_	need X-ray'ing it :)	01:11
Estel_	at least for patches	01:11
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Estel_	path*	01:11
Estel_	cooper ones	01:11
javispedro	Estel_: I like to think that if noone made it yet means it is not connected.	01:11
kerio	are the alsa mixers saved somewhere, or can you reset them by rebooting if you fear you screwed up something?	01:11
Estel_	javispedro, probably yes, and people talking about unconnected fmtx were quite certain about it	01:12
javispedro	kerio: you can definitely mess stuff up to the point you need to remove batteries	01:12
javispedro	I don't remember if maemo saves alsa mixer values though. I think not.	01:13
javispedro	(plus the entire "burn the speakers" thing, of course)	01:13
javispedro	my holidays started, hope to be more often around here. For a few days at least ;P	01:17
DocScrutinizer05	(there were some talks about implementing the filters on the audio chip itself (forgot the name :/) ) /me and this eastern guy HNZ or whatever	01:18
javispedro	DocScrutinizer05: you know if that's what "the kernel module" mentioned above does?	01:21
DocScrutinizer05	nfc what's this "the kernel module" mentioned above ;-)	01:22
* DocScrutinizer05 got as few context as javispedro		01:22
DocScrutinizer05	javispedro: holidays? congrats, me too :-D	01:22
DocScrutinizer05	so I will rethink my planning	01:22
DocScrutinizer05	you being around changes weights between IRC/maemo and going to camp in the woods	01:23
javispedro	heh	01:23
merlin1991	the gentoo guy dunno his name wrote something for the kernel	01:23
Estel_	luke_jr	01:23
Estel_	although, he didn't wrote it	01:23
DocScrutinizer05	ooh luke	01:23
Estel_	just send :P	01:23
merlin1991	or adapt it, or whatever	01:24
Estel_	yea	01:24
merlin1991	I think the patch was in kp for some time but got removed again	01:24
Estel_	it was for a 5 mijnutes in non-repo version of kp, but got kicked out, as he was not interested in maintaining it	01:24
merlin1991	you'd have to ask Pali for the details	01:24
Estel_	and fixing to apply only for speaker output, not all output	01:24
javispedro	Support-for-tlv320aic3x-codec-highpass-filter-needed.diff	01:24
javispedro	^^ found it	01:24
Estel_	yea, I'm collecting irc log and will pester Pali about usability of properly integrating it	01:24
DocScrutinizer05	that's it	01:24
Estel_	yea	01:24
Estel_	it is it	01:24
DocScrutinizer05	that's the codec hw filter	01:25
javispedro	so you should fetch the tlv320 datasheet and read whether the filtering applies to the 2nd analog bypass	01:25
DocScrutinizer05	hehehe	01:25
DocScrutinizer05	HF	01:25
javispedro	I think that means "probably not" ;)	01:26
DocScrutinizer05	the datasheet is BS	01:26
DocScrutinizer05	I got severe headache and left me as wise as before more often than not	01:26
javispedro	https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=kernel-power;a=blob;f=kernel-power-2.6.28/debian/patches/Support-for-tlv320aic3x-codec-highpass-filter-needed.diff;h=962061affdbff324d640a6edf3b5fd17889b74e7;hb=HEAD	01:27
javispedro	from reading the patch, MNZ did it.	01:27
DocScrutinizer05	so dunno, afaik the filter is a part of digital domain, so if your bypass is mere analog domain, it obviosuly won't get any filtering	01:27
DocScrutinizer05	MNZ was the name	01:28
DocScrutinizer05	yep	01:28
DocScrutinizer05	I guided him	01:28
javispedro	it seems to be right before the DAC, so digital domain.	01:28
DocScrutinizer05	yep, sure	01:28
javispedro	well, you can't have everything	01:28
javispedro	at least you can now safely use alsa directly	01:28
DocScrutinizer05	:nod:	01:29
DocScrutinizer05	if only @¼¼³&§%##!!”ĸµ̣Nokia would bother to tell about the parameters of their friggin XPROT	01:29
Estel_	so, this path doesn't have anything to do with our analog bypass, hm	01:29
Estel_	no idea to re-implement it for analog too?	01:30
DocScrutinizer05	not feasible	01:30
DocScrutinizer05	there are no analog filters	01:30
Estel_	fun mod - hardware highpass filter connected before speaker's springs	01:30
javispedro	also, the patch will add some new 3d effects to alsamixer	01:30
DocScrutinizer05	well, THAT was feaqsible, in theory	01:31
Estel_	0_o 3d effects is something i react allergically to	01:31
DocScrutinizer05	so you'll appreciate you now can turn them off ;-P	01:31
javispedro	hah	01:31
javispedro	you could probably implement a hardware equalizer	01:31
Estel_	DocScrutinizer, thin plate with cooper, to be placed between motherboard and speakers, that lead to one highpass hardware filter :P	01:31
DocScrutinizer05	javispedro: that's what MNZ actually planned to do	01:32
Estel_	hardware equalizer, hujh	01:32
javispedro	very nice	01:32
Estel_	interesting	01:32
javispedro	I used to have a hweq with my creative card	01:32
DocScrutinizer05	he gave up when he realized complexity to calculate the coefficients of digital filter	01:32
Estel_	Audigy 2ZS video editor gold, here ;)	01:32
javispedro	yeah, I had 2ZS too	01:32
javispedro	best Linux sound card ever imho, hwmixing, sf2.	01:33
Estel_	pity that they have castrated X-fi and later ones	01:33
Estel_	yes	01:33
javispedro	X-Fi is not castrated, driver just does not support anything	01:33
javispedro	the new ones ARE castrated.	01:33
DocScrutinizer05	this didital filter in codec is a biatch, regarding handling	01:33
Estel_	this oen i'm talking about is external usb one, works even with N900 via already build in modules (!)	01:33
Estel_	IOI also have PCI one lying in drawer, also gold	01:33
Estel_	sad fact - despite the usb one being video editor, I can't seem to utilize video part of it, even on windoze, LOL. Pity, as it's video part was decent	01:34
DocScrutinizer05	you got like 8 32bit coefficients, and none of them is exactly trivial to calculate	01:34
Estel_	hardware mpeg2 compression with very high output quality... eh	01:34
Estel_	javispedro, wasn't X-fi lacking sound processor on card?>	01:34
Estel_	off-loading it to CPU?	01:35
Estel_	it was quite... smalll, light (as per weight), and seemed to contain small ammount of components	01:35
javispedro	Estel_: emu20kx ones don't	01:35
Estel_	or I mistaked it with next one	01:35
Estel_	I see	01:35
javispedro	on my todo list there's an item "buy titanitum card and figure out how to get emux synthesizer working" =)	01:36
Estel_	I used to have this big desk thing, from audigy 2zs, from "pro" version, with big jacks...	01:36
Estel_	but 2zs video editor is even better, all kind of audio output and imputs, including optical ones and midi. + built in powered 4 port usb hub :P	01:37
Estel_	javispedro, :)	01:37
Estel_	isn't it better to just use old good 2zs?	01:37
Estel_	what titanium offer over it?	01:37
javispedro	pciexpress	01:37
Estel_	yes, and it's required for?	01:37
merlin1991	low latency?	01:38
javispedro	in two years you won't be able to find motherboards with pci	01:38
merlin1991	and that :D	01:38
Estel_	merlin1991, would need implementation in card for that	01:38
javispedro	_good_ ones I mean	01:38
Estel_	javispedro, pci to usb adaptors?	01:38
Estel_	+ DIY case	01:38
Estel_	and You have desktop external card :)	01:38
javispedro	pci to usb adaptor? :P	01:38
Estel_	may be BS, heard somewhere about it	01:38
Estel_	anyway, it's good argument - I have notebook acting as desktop, it was another reason why audigy 2zs video editor (it's USB)	01:39
Estel_	there was also some kind of notebook-friendly one, powered from USDB, but it was fubar - advertised as 24 bit one, it did internal downsampling to 16 bi for processing, then, upsampling to 24 bit on exit	01:39
javispedro	also, pci 2zs usually die of the "crackling" problem	01:39
Estel_	Creative never was very reliable partner :P	01:39
javispedro	they are harder to get every day :(	01:40
Estel_	good to know, my gold one bought for 30 dollars may be worth more now :p	01:40
Estel_	but this usb external one (requiring another power source from mains) zs video editor is really state of art	01:41
Estel_	for both audio and video. If it would only work for me re video part... :P	01:41
Estel_	never needed to use it, so noticed that video isn't working 2 years after purchase	01:41
Estel_	oddly, video processing part is visible from operating system as working ok, it just refuses to work in practice	01:41
Estel_	every video capturing thing just hangs out, when card's imput is selected	01:42
Estel_	odd as hell	01:42
Estel_	and of course only windoze drivers for video part, say hi to creative	01:42
Estel_	notg popular one enough to have linux Re drivers	01:42
Estel_	although I was surprised as hell, when noticing that I may connect it to N900 via hostmode, and enjoy 7.1 audio output (5.1 in practice)	01:43
Estel_	only through mplayer, though, of course	01:43
Estel_	say hi to N900's pulseaudio :P	01:43
Estel_	(every attempt to redirect mafw output to usb sound card failed msierably) javispedro, You even were in this thread	01:44
javispedro	I remember the last consensus was "kernel bug"	01:44
Estel_	wut?	01:46
Estel_	either I remember it wrong way, or it was something different - I would be pestering Pali to fix it in KP	01:46
javispedro	meh, my memory is quite hazy	01:47
Estel_	javispedro, http://http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83270	01:51
Estel_	consensus was that You haven't had USB card/speaker :)	01:52
Estel_	and were wondering about emulating it	01:52
javispedro	and I don't, you got me interested in the video capture + audio card thing though	01:52
Estel_	see: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1191590&postcount=77	01:52
Estel_	and this:	01:52
Estel_	http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1191583&postcount=75	01:52
Estel_	hm, audio and video thing>? ncie to hear, i though you've bored You :)	01:53
Estel_	well, it is	01:53
Estel_	lemme search	01:53
Estel_	http://www.google.pl/search?q=audigy+2zs+video+editor&hl=pl&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=3wQbUPXUN62N4gTZ24H4Dg&ved=0CGUQsAQ&biw=1540&bih=773	01:53
Estel_	it's lovely external USB card, this time not fake'ing anything, and being real 24bit/96khz one	01:54
Estel_	(up to, you may use real-life values of 16bit 48 khz too)	01:54
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Estel_	it have hardware control over imput level via gauge, and gauge for outpout, hoever, the latter is mixed with OS control	01:55
Estel_	inas and outs visible in photos	01:55
Estel_	+ 4HUB usb 2.0 active hub (to the point of requiring external power to have even only hub working)	01:55
javispedro	are you sure it is a emu10k1 card?	01:56
javispedro	which ALSA driver are you using?	01:56
Estel_	erm, in fact I'm not sure at all, but for sure it works with alsa...	01:56
Estel_	hmmm	01:56
Estel_	which ones we have in N900? :D	01:56
Estel_	that's the oldest I've tried	01:56
javispedro	just lsmod and grep for emu10k1	01:57
Estel_	gimme a second, I'm on windoze actually (i know, shame...), it should work when i connect it to n900 too?	01:57
Estel_	(emu10k1)	01:57
Estel_	(not card itself)	01:57
javispedro	http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-Creative_Labs	01:58
javispedro	they don't seem to know anything about it	01:58
javispedro	I bet it is probably not emu10k1 and just USB sound card ;P	01:59
javispedro	also, kernel bug here: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1193473&postcount=80	02:00
Estel_	javispedro, tried it and no emu10k1	02:04
Estel_	what drawbacks it does mean?	02:04
javispedro	no hw equalizer	02:04
javispedro	and no hw mixing I think	02:04
Estel_	strange, I can definitely mix in hw	02:04
Estel_	maybe it require custom drivers, though	02:04
javispedro	not dmix? :)	02:04
Estel_	definitely not dmix	02:04
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Estel_	no much experience with using it under linux, sadly, for any advanced things, thanks to it being very niche	02:05
Estel_	so under linux I use it for... well, normal audio output :P	02:05
Estel_	under windoze it definitely have hardware mixing and hardware equalizer, but it's thing of propertiary drivers, probably	02:05
Estel_	because, upon connection it's recognized (under linux) ass usb hub first, then, card is connected to internal ports...	02:06
Estel_	on windows, You see more components	02:06
Estel_	i.e. more devices detected	02:06
Estel_	probably, under linux it works as normal USB card	02:06
Estel_	so no rela 5.1 for me, then, from N900? :)	02:06
Estel_	continuation - I think that under windoze another device is detected, as one talking with hardware mjxing parts	02:07
Estel_	mixing*	02:07
Estel_	probably even Hw equalizer, although I don't use equalizers at all, so hard to tell	02:07
Estel_	definitely no video device detected under linux, too	02:07
javispedro	I am reading the alsa snd-usb driver and they only do 1 substream, so no hw mixing	02:07
* RST38h moos at javispedro evilly		02:07
* Estel_ nods at javispedro		02:08
javispedro	moo RST38h	02:08
Estel_	pity :D	02:08
Estel_	hey, so no multi-channel recording too?	02:08
Estel_	:(((	02:08
javispedro	it might have multichannel recording, dunno about that	02:08
Estel_	it's pity that RE things (as under windozxe it works, definitely) isn't ferasible	02:08
Estel_	feasible, lol	02:09
Estel_	sorry for typos	02:09
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javispedro	Estel_: CT is not very friendly any longer either	02:10
Estel_	I just suspect that my video processing part is faulty, which is strange, as it's bundled on 1 board, and as said, drivers report hardware detected properly (on windoze)	02:10
javispedro	previously they would even submit research papers frm time to time.	02:10
Estel_	Creative was friendly anytime?:p	02:10
Estel_	ah, I see	02:10
Estel_	I remember them as asshats from the beginning, though.	02:10
javispedro	well, I might be confusing EMU with CT ;P	02:10
Estel_	I wonder what bite them	02:10
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freemangordon	merlin1991: DocScrutinizer05: childspin just hanged here	08:10
freemangordon	on device, running HAM update in foreground	08:11
freemangordon	merlin1991: the very reliable way to make it lock is: run childspin -> opeh HAM -> click on menu -> application catalogs -> rotate the device	08:17
freemangordon	usually it hangs on the first rotation, but may take 2 or 3	08:17
freemangordon	kernel-cssu3, not stock kernel, so BTB clear may affect it.	08:32
freemangordon	though I doubt	08:32
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Pali	jonwil, netlink is standard way how to communicate between userspace and kernel... it is socket orientated communication, so you need to create "protocol" how are data sent. and nokia created a lot of non standard protocols (e.g how to send NVS wifi data to kernel driver...)	09:28
jonwil	yeah thats what I thought	09:29
jonwil	Is there a better way to do nvs->kernel?	09:29
Pali	wl1271 (71) has NVS data in firmware file	09:29
Pali	so it is loaded as firmware data	09:30
jonwil	is that the way the N900 should go?	09:30
jonwil	or should we stick with WL1251_NL_CMD_NVS_PUSH?	09:30
Pali	I think that wl1251 driver can use this same way too	09:30
Pali	wl12XX share more code in kernel	09:31
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Pali	look here: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/wl12xx/calibrator	09:32
Pali	this is tool which create NVS data as firmware file	09:32
Pali	this also add mac address into NVS data	09:32
Pali	and then kernel can use it when module wl1251 is loaded	09:32
Pali	the right way should be: when updating kernel driver, postinst script will call that tool (maybe patched to read data from CAL) and it will create proper NVS firmware file	09:34
Pali	and then wl1251-cal can be deleted, because kernel have all data in firmware file	09:34
Pali	and for regional wifi settings (e.g. enabled channels): for linux kernel is cfg80211 driver which regulate it	09:35
Pali	from userspace you can change country with program "iw"	09:35
jonwil	ok, well what wl1251-cal does is this:	09:36
jonwil	firstly is asks cell network for country code	09:37
jonwil	then it compares it against stored list to determine if its "FCC country"	09:37
jonwil	then it reads NVS from CAL	09:37
jonwil	makes 4 changes to NVS data depending on whether its FCC country or not	09:38
jonwil	and pushes that to driver via WL1251_NL_CMD_NVS_PUSH	09:38
jonwil	then it reads MAC address from CAL	09:39
jonwil	MAC address is sent to driver via SIOCSIFHWADDR	09:40
jonwil	it also uses NL80211_ATTR_REG_ALPHA2 to set country code	09:40
jonwil	right now my plan is to clone wl1251-cal except that it wont use systeminfo and it will pull country value from CAL (same place as sysinfo-tool gets /certs/ccc/pp/wlan-channel from)	09:41
jonwil	just like I did with bluetooth-cal	09:42
jonwil	I think best answer is to:1.Replace non-standard bluetooth hwaddr interface with something standard	09:43
jonwil	2.	09:43
jonwil	2.	09:43
jonwil	wait ignore that :P	09:43
jonwil	2.Write tool to read NVS from CAL and apply country change based on value of wlan-channel	09:44
jonwil	3.Make wl1251 driver use stored firmware nvs	09:44
jonwil	i.e. tool at #2 would produce identical NVS to wl1251-cal	09:44
jonwil	then 4.Write new tool to read bluetooth and wifi MAC plus country code and send all 3 to driver	09:45
jonwil	drivers	09:45
jonwil	but yeah I will write the wl1251-cal clone	09:45
jonwil	and others can go from there	09:45
jonwil	will also write the libcal clone	09:46
jonwil	at some point	09:46
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jonwil	the goal is to replace wl1251-cal and bluetooth-sysinfo (and possibly libcal) on Fremantle and also to replace sysinfod-rx51, libcxal-rx-51-bin, libppu-bin, libwl1251-bin and wl1251-cal-bin on MeeGo & friends	09:50
Pali	jownil, for setting country code, you can use standard iw tool: "iw reg set US" (change US)	09:54
Pali	jonwil, look at linux macchanger program	09:54
Pali	how it set mac address and check if same interface is also for bluetooth	09:54
jonwil	ok, well I will clone the bits and someone else can find a way to make them do things the Right Way(tm)	09:55
Pali	maybe asking on linux bluez mailinglist how to change mac address of bluetooth is good idea	09:55
freemangordon	hcitool?	09:56
Pali	maybe, hcitool can change mac address, I do not know	10:02
Pali	or hciconfig...	10:02
Pali	freemangordon, for vkb see: https://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/ukeyboard/ and http://repo.or.cz/w/ukeyboard.git	10:03
freemangordon	hmm, not sure whether it was hcitool or hciconfig :D	10:03
Pali	this tool can create binary vkb layout	10:03
Pali	there are both: hcitool and hciconfig	10:04
freemangordon	Pali: I know ukeyboard as I am using it, the tools there is for maem4, iirc jonwil fixed it for fremantle	10:04
Pali	ukeyboard working on fremantle too	10:04
Pali	I'm using it for Slovak qwerty layout	10:04
jonwil	You want http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79899	10:05
Pali	http://maemo.org/packages/view/ukeyboard/	10:05
jonwil	Thats the best way to do the vkb on N900	10:05
freemangordon	I know, I am using it for bulgarian :)	10:05
freemangordon	Pali: I was talking about RE of .vkb files	10:05
Pali	jonwil, it that your code included in ukeyboard?	10:05
jonwil	no	10:05
jonwil	I have nothing to do with ukeyboard	10:06
freemangordon	there is a python/perrl/whatever script flying over the inet	10:06
freemangordon	jonwil: ^^^	10:06
jonwil	my stuff in that tmo thread contains all the info one needs on the vkb format	10:06
freemangordon	jonwil: I remember I sent that to you, and you fixed it for fremantle .vkb format	10:06
jonwil	including a fremantle-compatible version of the aformentioned perl script	10:06
freemangordon	jonwil: :nod:	10:06
jonwil	yeah	10:06
Pali	I will ask roman if he used your code or not	10:07
jonwil	so yeah that stuff contains decode script, vkb format doc plus code to generate vkb file using libimlayout	10:07
Pali	we do not need more implementations of vkb format...	10:07
freemangordon	Pali: vkbrenderer.so is the one responsible of reading that format and actually displaying the UI	10:08
jonwil	libimlayout is what parses the vkb file format	10:08
jonwil	vkbrenderer is what displays the results recieved from libimlayout	10:08
freemangordon	though not sure if it receiveswhat to display from upper/lower layers	10:09
freemangordon	jonwil: :nod:	10:09
zeq	merlin1991: I should have mentioned having HAM running is a very good way of putting enough load on the system to open up the race window.	10:09
zeq	morning guys :)	10:10
freemangordon	zeq: morning	10:10
Pali	ukeyboard has vkb-format-v3	10:10
freemangordon	zeq: but not enough, it is the rotation that triggers the bug in 90% of the cases	10:10
jonwil	bah, maemo.org is being annoying	10:10
freemangordon	Pali: so?	10:11
freemangordon	jonwil: don't you like the pink nailpolish?	10:11
freemangordon	it is lumia after all, what color do you expect :D	10:11
zeq	freemangordon: ok, but the point is running the test on an idle system minimizes the race window.	10:12
jonwil	ukeyboard is not using my code as far as I can see	10:12
freemangordon	zeq: agree	10:13
zeq	it probably depends on time spent in kernel(maybe rotation triggers some long latency kernel code?)	10:13
freemangordon	zeq: maybe	10:13
zeq	not that it really matters :)	10:14
freemangordon	but it really does nto matter	10:14
freemangordon	yeah	10:14
Pali	I can write Roman (now maintainer of ukeyboard) to update code	10:14
freemangordon	Pali: to add new keyboards or what?	10:14
Pali	ukeyboard has rewritten control panel aplet	10:14
Pali	to update documentation	10:15
Pali	jonwil has some more info about format	10:15
freemangordon	BTW ukeyboard has an annoying bug (from user POV)	10:15
freemangordon	once installed there are no more messages "input layout has been switched to ..."	10:16
jonwil	my gen_vkb script is as close as its possible to get to the way Nokia does it	10:16
jonwil	not script, binary	10:16
jonwil	I found gen_vkb binary for older Maemo, reverse engineered it and then exended it for Fremantle	10:16
jonwil	Nokia obviously has gen_vkb for Fremantle internally	10:16
jonwil	real one that is	10:17
freemangordon	maybe I missed the point, but what is the relation between vkbrenderer and ukeyboard/gen_vkb?	10:17
freemangordon	anyway, I gtg, see ya	10:19
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jonwil	basically gen_vkb generates a .vkb file of the keyboard layout	10:21
jonwil	then libimlayout0 parses that and hands the data off to vkbrenderer	10:21
jonwil	which then renders it	10:21
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kerio	idea: rotation lock in the powerkey menu, and out of the status menu	11:59
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DocScrutinizer05	kerio: ++	13:57
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kerio	hm, for what? lost the backscroll	15:33
DocScrutinizer05	[2012-08-03 10:59:55] <kerio> idea: rotation lock in the powerkey menu, and out of the status menu	15:35
kerio	oh yeah	15:35
kerio	kerio++	15:35
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kerio	ok, i have the operator name problem again	20:09
kerio	jonwil: poke?	20:10
kerio	i can test the bugfix i guess	20:10
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: you too	20:15
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DocScrutinizer05	eh?	20:18
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: i'm ready for more cbsms tests	20:18
kerio	with the fixed version	20:18
DocScrutinizer05	mhm	20:18
kerio	that i don't know how to install and/or compile	20:18
DocScrutinizer05	alas i'm not familiar with the actual implementation, just contributed some architecture	20:18
kerio	k	20:19
kerio	should i ask jonwil then? (was it him?)	20:19
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DocScrutinizer05	probably for specifics about the current binary/pkg you better ask pali or jonwil	20:19
DocScrutinizer05	:nod:	20:19
DocScrutinizer05	jonwil:	20:19
kerio	jonwil!	20:20
kerio	why pali? :o	20:20
kerio	he's everywhere	20:20
DocScrutinizer05	he did some fixes to the last version before the assumed jonwil bleeding edge one	20:21
DocScrutinizer05	since jonwil isn't really available that frequently	20:21
DocScrutinizer05	though he's logged in right now, so odds are he'll answer in a minute	20:22
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: for now you could provide apt-cache policy	20:22
DocScrutinizer05	for that thing	20:22
DocScrutinizer05	so we know what you're using and what we're talking bout	20:23
jonwil	I am here but busy trying to debug with gdb on my phone keyboard (cant use ssh because wl1251-cal work requires wifi to be offline when running the binary)	20:24
jonwil	the good news is that the mac address seems to be being set correctly	20:24
jonwil	ioctl() isn't returning an error	20:25
kerio	what's wl1251-cal?	20:25
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: k, one sec	20:26
kerio	Installed: 0.2	20:27
jonwil	wl1251-cal handles settings for the wl1251 wifi chip	20:27
kerio	for operator-name-cbs-widget	20:27
jonwil	i.e. setting mac address	20:27
kerio	oh, in the proper way?	20:27
jonwil	and dealing with regulatory domain	20:27
kerio	instead of using the l33t drivers	20:27
kerio	i see	20:27
kerio	i'd like to be in japan, yes	20:28
jonwil	wl1251-cal is closed source from nokia, I am currently doing something that does the same thing as wl1251-cal from nokia except open	20:28
jonwil	open source	20:28
jonwil	then someone else can make it use better interfaces and not the nokia-specific stuff	20:28
DocScrutinizer05	jonwil: nice stuff, anyway could you spare a few minutes to direct kerio towards properly exploiting the bug just showing up again in his operator-name-cbs-widget? We eventually like to get that fixed, and he's willing to help and just can reproduce the issue	20:31
kerio	"sure sure, but fix this bug first"	20:32
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jonwil	ok, wl1251-cal is DONE :)	22:19
kerio	:D	22:20
kerio	should cssu allow manual configuration of regulatory domains'	22:20
kerio	?	22:20
jonwil	thats up to CSSU	22:20
kerio	i wasn't necessarily asking you c:	22:23
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jonwil	:)	22:26
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kerio	no, :ↄ	22:29
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zeq	jonwil: you mean via iw?	22:46
zeq	sorry, kerio	22:46
kerio	zeq: yeah	22:48
kerio	maybe	22:48
kerio	but it would be better if it was automatically set to JP	22:49
kerio	or, rather, configurable in a plaintext file	22:49
kerio	is CAL signed?	22:49
kerio	ugh, why can't everything be like fmtxd :(	22:55
kerio	i mean, i suppose it kinda is, you can just use the backported drivers, but they have a crappy powersaving	22:55
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DocScrutinizer05	ABI: Application Binary Interface - the interface on binary level used between binaries to talk to each other. ABI compatibility means binary A doesn't notice any change in the interface of binary B it connects to	23:44
DocScrutinizer05	compare API compatibility which defines a compliance of abstract definition of a interface as used by compilers at build time, so a new binary A though built from same sources would still connect without problems to the possibly changed ABI of binary B since both use the same API still	23:46
DocScrutinizer05	to connect to the funny discussion 24h ago here, which managed so elegantly to declare my 2h in garden at BBQ as a 1 week non-availability, by sending out invitations in obscure channels and 5 minutes in advance, and also spreading FUD about my availability	23:48
DocScrutinizer05	I'm frankly assuming and stating that several attendees of yesterday's discussion did this on pretty purpose, to bully me out	23:50
* kerio grabs some popcorn		23:51
DocScrutinizer05	while the experise and less sneaky half knew about my position already and also knew it's in line with theirs	23:52
DocScrutinizer05	ooh, btw, estel_ is on holiday for the next 24 months, don't bother to invite or ask him about anything, we already know what he will say anyway (and we know we don't give a sht*)	23:54
DocScrutinizer05	assumptions assumptions assumptions. And FUD. Is all of that always just in best intent? I doubt it	23:55
DocScrutinizer05	>>problem with 3rd party modules was always purely theoretical one. I.e. "there may exist, in some ancient vault, a module compiled in 3000 before christ..."	23:56
DocScrutinizer05	>>(from my limited knowledge common folk POV, feel free to correct)	23:57
DocScrutinizer05	>>i.e. such situation is purely theoretical, just for sake of doing so, no practical problems risk, ever. 0% chance.	23:57
DocScrutinizer05	>>(from my limited knowledge common folk POV, feel free to correct)	23:57
DocScrutinizer05	WTF?!	23:58
DocScrutinizer05	thanks a lot really for this elaborated expertise	23:58
DocScrutinizer05	now we're all a lot wiser	23:58
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