IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2013-02-01

*** warfaren has joined #maemo00:00
sixwheeledbeastwirr: ping00:01
*** warfaren has quit IRC00:04
*** warfaren has joined #maemo00:05
*** futpib_ has quit IRC00:10
*** pvanhoof has quit IRC00:10
*** pvanhoof_ has quit IRC00:10
*** futpib_ has joined #maemo00:10
*** nox- has joined #maemo00:10
*** Ethernin has quit IRC00:10
*** Martix_ has joined #maemo00:15
*** cityLights has quit IRC00:16
*** retrocz has quit IRC00:16
*** florian has quit IRC00:19
*** cyborg-one has joined #maemo00:22
*** jrocha has joined #maemo00:24
*** guampa has joined #maemo00:24
*** NIN101 has quit IRC00:24
*** cyborg-o1e has quit IRC00:26
LinuxCodekerio, Im getting invalid signatures, key expired00:31
*** thopiekar has joined #maemo00:31
kerioLinuxCode: that's from the nokia repos00:31
LinuxCodefor the maemo-archive.wedrop.it00:31
kerioand yes, it's a known problem00:31
keriowait, what? no you don't00:31
kerioyou're getting key expired for the nokia keys00:32
*** XATRIX has joined #maemo00:32
*** xes has joined #maemo00:32
*** xes has quit IRC00:32
*** xes has joined #maemo00:32
*** xes_ has joined #maemo00:32
*** xes_ has quit IRC00:32
*** xes_ has joined #maemo00:32
*** xes has quit IRC00:32
*** xes has joined #maemo00:33
*** xes has quit IRC00:33
*** xes has joined #maemo00:33
LinuxCodeI thought the archive had a direct rsync ?00:33
kerio*nokia* repos00:33
kerioas opposed to repository.maemo.org00:33
LinuxCodeI disabled all those00:33
keriomeh, you could've used the official servers00:33
LinuxCodeand replaced with maemo-archive.wedrop.it00:34
keriobut anyway00:34
kerioyes, the nokia key is expired00:34
LinuxCodek /me disabled the arcdhive ones00:34
kerioso HAM won't upgrade a package from them00:34
keriowhich is not a big problem, because they won't release upgrades00:34
*** Martix_ has quit IRC00:35
DocScrutinizer05[minor sidenote] rmo up00:35
LinuxCodeahh excellent00:35
*** XATRIX has quit IRC00:36
kerioDocScrutinizer05: sloooooooooooooow00:36
DocScrutinizer05since a few minutes00:36
DocScrutinizer05kerio: suuuuuure00:36
tadzikeveryone's dosing it now I guess00:36
kerioi don't get it00:37
*** trumee has joined #maemo00:37
keriowe've got 280 people here00:37
DocScrutinizer05might decay during minutes to hours00:37
keriothese aren't n900s, they're not constantly trying to access rmo00:37
DocScrutinizer05the heck knows what it is00:37
keriowhat are the user agents?00:38
*** valerius has quit IRC00:38
*** rcg has quit IRC00:39
*** trumee has quit IRC00:40
*** trumee_ has joined #maemo00:40
DocScrutinizer05no useragents available, but mostly gets on Packages.gz00:43
keriohm... it's quite fast now00:43
eccerr0rcrap. my microsd card from my 5230 isn't working in my n900.  grr.00:43
DocScrutinizer051026 unique ips.00:43
keriogreat, and i talked00:43
kerioDocScrutinizer05: holy balls00:44
kerioDocScrutinizer05: for the next migration, we should make sure that the timestamp on Release is the same00:44
eccerr0r1026 over how long?00:45
qwazixIf the N900 is starved for updates does it retry continuously or on the next interval?00:45
*** nslu2-log has quit IRC00:46
DocScrutinizer05I give you data, you give me theories00:46
kerioqwazix: would be interesting to figure out00:48
*** xes has quit IRC00:48
*** nslu2-log has joined #maemo00:48
merlin1991ah yeah we should look into reducing the bloat in the packges.gz00:48
merlin1991since it is redownloaded by ham00:48
merlin1991a lot00:49
qwazixkerio: :nod:00:49
keriomerlin1991: i don't think ham supports pdiffs00:49
keriodoes it?00:49
merlin1991kerio: I'm going to check it00:49
merlin1991but even if it doesn't support pdiffs, the repos can be brought in shape again00:49
merlin1991some packages have a bazillion versions in the repo even though they should only have 3 at max00:49
kerioi assume the only bottleneck is extras00:50
merlin1991nah extras-devel00:50
keriobecause it's the only one enabled by default in pr1.300:50
merlin1991extras is small compared00:50
merlin1991extras is peanuts00:50
keriomerlin1991: but devel isn't enabled by default00:50
LinuxCodewhen I run apt-get I get waiting for headers, then that seems to time out00:51
LinuxCodeguess it is overloaded00:51
merlin1991kerio: extras 3.1m, devel is 8.8m00:51
qwazixwhen everything is settled we need to resync with extras00:51
kerioLinuxCode: and that's why it's been mostly down since the migration00:52
qwazixit's out of sync well before the migration00:52
* LinuxCode disabled extras-devel00:52
sixwheeledbeasta load of packages could be removed due to being obsolete/broken00:53
*** chenca has quit IRC00:53
keriomerlin1991: extras-devel-light is like 7mb00:54
kerioit's not a lot less00:54
DocScrutinizer05down to 17MBit00:56
merlin1991well the biggest part in the packages file is the package icon00:56
*** valerius has joined #maemo00:56
merlin1991which seldom changes, hence is easily compressed00:57
merlin1991uncompressed it's 15 mb vs 26 Mb00:58
*** emma_ has joined #maemo00:58
keriomerlin1991: btw, e-d-l feature request: strip useless fields from packages' control00:58
kerioat least in Packages00:58
*** emma_ is now known as emma01:00
*** Aoyagi has left #maemo01:01
qwazixStripping the icons from control and replacing them with url which cssu ham would lazyload would be the right thing01:01
qwazixIt would break non-cssu ham icon display though01:01
*** sixwheeledbeast has quit IRC01:03
DocScrutinizer051679 unique IPs01:03
DocScrutinizer05*.m.o stable it seems01:04
DocScrutinizer05should, since we're bypassing FW now01:04
FIQoh repo is up? or what? :o01:07
*** Estel_ has quit IRC01:07
kerioDocScrutinizer05: let's hope the situation normalizes over time01:07
kerioor we're screwed01:07
*** Estel_ has joined #maemo01:09
*** Vanadis has quit IRC01:09
DocScrutinizer05I guess it will decrease over time, when the ones waiting since eternities all have downloaded the packages.gz and further requsts are statistically spread and most just checking for updates rather than actually doing full packages.gz download01:10
DocScrutinizer05quite obviously something is trafficshaping/limiting our repo upstream at ~17Mb01:10
*** aloril has quit IRC01:10
*** aloril has joined #maemo01:10
*** Vanadis__ has joined #maemo01:10
LinuxCodeDocScrutinizer05, when I download packages it sits there for a while01:10
*** dos1 has quit IRC01:11
*** trumee_ has quit IRC01:11
*** dos11 has joined #maemo01:11
DocScrutinizer05kerio: why we're screwed? each client seems to leach with ~10kb right now01:11
*** trumee has joined #maemo01:11
DocScrutinizer05update takes a bit longer than usual ;-D01:12
LinuxCodenow its dl01:12
LinuxCodeohh wait, no,01:12
*** kolp has quit IRC01:13
LinuxCodeonce connected it seemed fast01:14
DocScrutinizer05what did you say is the estimated download size for one HAM doing update check?01:14
DocScrutinizer052124 IPs01:16
LinuxCodeit works though01:16
LinuxCodeIm happy01:16
LinuxCodeso a big thank you01:16
DocScrutinizer05all the thanks and presents go to warfare01:17
FIQwhat about topic?01:17
*** Xjs|moonshine has quit IRC01:18
DocScrutinizer05our incredible new maemo sysop wizzard01:18
*** Xjs|moonshine has joined #maemo01:18
DocScrutinizer05FIQ: well, I'll change the topic when we seen stuff working for a day... or two01:18
FIQok :P01:18
FIQthen the minute after change, everything goes down01:19
*** stardiviner has joined #maemo01:20
*** hardaker has quit IRC01:20
FIQIgn ./ Release01:20
FIQthis host01:20
FIQis it still online?01:20
kerioDocScrutinizer05: are we to assume that extras is the main culprit?01:21
*** emma has quit IRC01:21
kerioif so, ~3mb for each download01:21
kerioFIQ: yes01:21
FIQi thought they turned stuff off01:21
FIQbut ok01:21
*** emma has joined #maemo01:22
DocScrutinizer05kerio: dunno, what about -devel?01:22
*** eijk has joined #maemo01:22
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: well the question is more hits on which repo?01:22
DocScrutinizer05the question is if 2 seconds of 17Mb will service one N90001:23
DocScrutinizer05since statisticaly we get one update every 2 seconds01:24
DocScrutinizer05obviously they won't, even for extras01:24
merlin1991one update is 7mb for extras, 8.8 for -devel01:24
FIQfeels like apt has froze on me01:24
FIQguess it's just slow01:24
DocScrutinizer05I guess we should reject so many connects until the bandwidth starts to drop below max01:26
warfareI'll kill r.m.o for a few seconds, I have to do a restart.01:26
warfare(only of apache)01:26
DocScrutinizer05would effectively put a random selection of N900 on wait01:27
FIQlike mine01:27
FIQ@ W: Failed to fetch  Unable to connect to http:01:27
* merlin1991 switched from xfce xdm4 to awesome today, feels funky01:27
keriowarfare: <301:28
FIQwarfare: ohh that explains the above01:28
merlin1991kerio: so far I didn't find any support for pdiff in ham :/01:28
*** rm_work has quit IRC01:29
warfareBack again and fast. Apache can only handle 256 clients. As most connections are slow, Apache slots fill very fast. I put an nginx proxy in front of the Apache (too lazy to migrate the config) which can handle around 8k connections with ease. This frees slots from apache and makes everything faster.01:29
merlin1991hehe proxy black magic01:30
merlin1991btw why does the repo even run on apache? o_O01:30
kerioweirdly-coded russian programs with little documentation save the day!01:30
* FIQ borrowed the server for 10s to update his stuff01:30
merlin1991it's a basic serve files setup, not exactly the workload you need an extensible super configureable http server for01:30
warfaremerlin1991: There are some PHP scripts served.01:31
keriowell, it seems to be quite fast now01:31
FIQmight just be me but it felt faster than before the migrate lol (took 10s to update)01:31
merlin1991I guess lighttpd might be up to the task, but who cares01:31
*** xes has joined #maemo01:31
FIQwarfare: well, there are other httpds which work with php I believe01:31
* merlin1991 has no data about stability of lighttpd with high load01:32
kerioinfobot: warfare is DA MAN01:32
DocScrutinizer05peak:   21.0Mb01:32
infobotokay, kerio01:32
LinuxCodenow a download stared immediately01:32
LinuxCodelooks good01:32
tadzikyou can put PHP on nginx as well, using some fastcgi helper01:32
keriopraise nginx!01:32
tadziklike the one stolen from lighttpd :P01:32
warfare"too lazy to migrate the config"01:32
keriofucking apache01:32
tadzikvalid reason01:32
keriowarfare: oh right01:32
kerioinfobot: no, warfare is too lazy to migrate the config01:33
infobotokay, kerio01:33
warfareAlso, I'm sitting in a british hotel and my internet is crap. All praise mobile-shell.01:33
keriono seriously, rmo is blazing fast now01:33
merlin1991tadzik: did they realy steal the fastcgi stuff from lighttpd? :D01:33
*** Rantwolf_ has quit IRC01:33
keriopraise the warfare! no, wait01:34
LinuxCodegive him a hotel upgrade01:34
LinuxCodeI hate Hotels that charge for crap wifi, or charge at all01:35
warfareAt least the don't charge for it.01:35
keriowhat do you mean by mobile-shell?01:35
LinuxCodewow, that is rare in the UK01:36
LinuxCodesomething included01:36
warfaresomeone needs to build that for maemo.01:36
keriowarfare: well, it's a commandline program01:37
kerioyou probably just need to build the debian tarball in scratchbox01:38
kerioand it'll work01:38
merlin1991kerio: actually ham uses libapt-pkg to download the index files, so I need to check there for pdiff support01:38
DocScrutinizer05kerio: please stop abusing nick factoids01:38
*** ludens has quit IRC01:38
DocScrutinizer05~forget warfare01:38
infobotDocScrutinizer05: i forgot warfare01:38
DocScrutinizer05~lock warfare01:38
merlin1991warfare: point me to the source an I'll build it for you ;)01:38
*** dos11 has quit IRC01:38
*** WielkiTost has joined #maemo01:38
*** emma is now known as em01:39
tadzikmerlin1991: not really, but the general way to handle php and this sort of crap in nginx is to use the lighttpd tool of some sort01:39
FIQ[00:33:37] <kerio> no seriously, rmo is blazing fast now01:40
tadzikspawn-fcgi, this is01:41
FIQit took 10s to update all repos (devel activated) for me :P01:41
warfaremerlin1991: ;)01:41
*** ludens has joined #maemo01:41
FIQinstead of like 3min01:41
FIQooh mosh01:41
FIQthat thing is awesome, too bad there isn't a build for n90001:41
warfaremerlin1991 offered to build it.01:42
FIQmerlin1991: :D01:42
*** mvp_ has quit IRC01:42
merlin1991yeah sometimes I have insane moments where I create way too much work for me01:42
*** trumee has quit IRC01:43
*** mvp_ has joined #maemo01:44
*** WielkiTost has quit IRC01:44
merlin1991bah scratchbox dpkg-source can't handle that01:44
*** trumee has joined #maemo01:45
warfaremerlin1991: Such insane moments happen to all of us.01:45
DocScrutinizer05kerio: my HAM will take another ~60min to actualize the catalogs, I'd say01:45
merlin1991kerio: well our libapt-pkg at least supports pdiffs01:46
merlin1991kerio: I didn't check if ham calls it correctly to use it though01:46
merlin1991warfare: it has quite a few build dependencies that are not yet in the maemo repos :/01:48
warfaremerlin1991: Ok, thanks for looking.01:48
merlin1991not saying it's impossible though, just wont be done today :)01:49
*** Estel_ has quit IRC01:49
*** Estel_ has joined #maemo01:49
*** NeutrinoPower has quit IRC01:50
*** MetalGearSolid has quit IRC01:50
DocScrutinizer05warfare: due to constant keep-alive packet pnging back and forth, mosh is a battery killer on N90001:50
DocScrutinizer05particularly on 3G01:50
*** hardaker has joined #maemo01:50
DocScrutinizer05and I seem to recall somebody trying to build mosh a year or so ago. Faced some problems, I guess01:50
infobotwell, ham is Hildon Application Manager.  Hazardous Application Manager. Slow like molasses. anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does01:50
merlin1991well it uses some weird protocoll to code converter as a build step01:51
merlin1991and debhelper701:51
warfareI found a .deb:
FIQI see that someone made infobot reply to ham in HAM speed01:51
FIQhow fitting01:51
merlin1991bah does not have the source packge to the deb01:52
DocScrutinizer05FIQ: server hickup01:52
DocScrutinizer0550:45] <FIQ> well...   50:47] <merlin1991> not saying it01:53
*** mvp_ has quit IRC01:53
FIQDocScrutinizer05: mhm ok01:54
*** mvp_ has joined #maemo01:54
merlin1991hm my scratchbox currently dls with 400B/s01:56
DocScrutinizer05we're getting faster and faster, 23.7Mb01:56
LinuxCodeDocScrutinizer05, it seems much smoother01:56
merlin1991looks like you have more hits though, my dl from here sucsk01:56
DocScrutinizer05and HAM fisnished: (no updates available)01:56
warfare~630 concurrent connections01:57
*** Estel_ has quit IRC01:57
*** Estel_ has joined #maemo01:57
Estel_DocScrutinizer05,  so ban me already, and save me from reading your twisted morality and bs statements. Deal?01:59
*** MetalGearSolid has joined #maemo01:59
FIQ/ban #maemo *!*@*02:00
Estel_you can rest assured that no one will care (too much) and, in practice, you may do whatever you want here, including enforcing your totally childish views on freedom of speech as "what irritates me is bad". I won't give away freedom of expressing my opinions (politely, without calling names etcj, just because some funny guy try to shake his ban-hat at me.   That's about it, "methinks"02:01
M4rtinKEstel, is this really necessary ?02:02
M4rtinKdoesn't sound very constructive to me02:02
M4rtinKFIQ: well, yeah02:02
merlin1991hm 1400B/s, this is never going to finish02:03
M4rtinKmerlin1991: the index download was fast, but the package download is very slow02:03
merlin1991M4rtinK: it's an index dl02:04
LinuxCodeyeh I estimate 10-20kb02:04
Estel_so, about constructive things - I think we all ove warfare a big beer02:05
Estel_actually, a barrel of beer or wine, up to him02:06
FIQa truck of beer02:06
Estel_I've followed some of his reports and discussions (sparse, as he was quite busy) for last few days, and I'm astoned by his knowledge on how to shape this mess into usable organism02:07
M4rtinKa panamax tanker maybe ?02:07
LinuxCodedo any of you guys recall the applet that changes the time to time and date ?02:07
LinuxCodethe name of  the package, that is02:07
Estel_the fact that it works given the circumstances is true miracle, and (almost) one man show. Much kudos to warfare!02:07
DocScrutinizer05Estel_: you're again starting to tell BS, but astonishingly enough without insult02:08
Estel_LinuxCode,  advanced clock replacement and some plugin for it?02:08
LinuxCodeadvanced clock sounds familair02:08
LinuxCodeI will check for that02:08
LinuxCodethank you02:09
Estel_DocScrutinizer05,  actually, I can mess you with mud complementing you, at the same time - just don't see it as necessary or feasible ;) Funny enough, the older I'm, the more straightforward in expressing things I become. And fearless of "consequences" ;)02:11
Estel_LinuxCode,  no problem02:11
LinuxCodeEstel_, are you a pensioner ?02:11
DocScrutinizer05am i supposed to understand that weird sentence?02:12
*** thopiekar has quit IRC02:12
LinuxCodepensioners do that.... they stop thinking first and just talk ;-p02:12
*** radic has quit IRC02:12
LinuxCodenot always the best thing to do though02:12
Estel_DocScrutinizer05,  in fact, and frankly, I haven't expected you to get it, at least yet ;)02:12
Estel_LinuxCode,  whatever pensioner is ;)02:13
LinuxCodea retired person02:13
DocScrutinizer05Estel_: in fact I haven't expected any reasonable staement from you, ever02:13
Estel_seriously though, it's rather about seeing less and less need to obfuscate things into unnecessary wrappings02:14
Estel_LinuxCode,  you haven't lived in Poland then - we already have 67 as min limit of going into retirement, and in few years, it will be extended further ;)02:15
*** xes has quit IRC02:15
LinuxCodeI will never have a pension, or a retirement02:15
Estel_I'm quite certtain, that today's tweenties will work 'til death, no matter of official statements02:15
*** thuttu77 has joined #maemo02:15
* LinuxCode stares at dl progress meter02:16
Estel_frankly, I would still use mirror02:16
LinuxCodefor some reason it wouldnt work for me02:17
Estel_a) faster b) one less person to share download at official = others have it faster02:17
LinuxCodekept complaining about binutils02:17
Estel_it would, it's just a matter of method02:17
LinuxCodeanyway, this works nicely02:17
Estel_mhm, merlin's repos via fapman seems ok without any hash errors (ignored), and binutils should be available via bb-p?02:17
LinuxCodeI dont care if it is slow or not02:17
warfarearound 32kbit/s per connection.02:17
Estel_what generates so many IP?02:18
Estel_all non-TMO'ed devices, of absent users, just started to do auto-update check?02:18
Estel_(I mean hundreds of non-power user's devices)02:18
chem|stEstel_: even the power ones02:19
warfarealmost all user-agents are "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("02:19
LinuxCodedidnt they sell 800k of these N900 units ?02:19
LinuxCodeor more02:19
*** M4rtinK has quit IRC02:19
Estel_funny when you think about it - one small switch, and thousand of devices all over the world start "waking up"02:19
Estel_(in terms of update)02:20
warfare1375 unique ips.02:20
*** Cor-Ai has quit IRC02:20
Estel_half get dropped, or DocScrutinizer05 was wong about last number?02:21
DocScrutinizer05LinuxCode: X-Fade mentioned there are some 30k to 40k active, according to Akamai repo server farm statistics02:21
LinuxCodeinteresting, not that many then02:21
*** Cor-Ai has joined #maemo02:21
* LinuxCode will be cheeky now and enable extra-devel02:22
Estel_I definitely don't want to be around when 30k devices starts, at once to down anythingp, even smallest file, due to date differences02:22
chem|stso 30k devices and only 1k reading tmo...02:23
DocScrutinizer05LinuxCode: in the long rin they shall spread equaly over the day, resulting in one update every 2 seconds. Since alarmd has no sync to time-of-day for the update period02:23
Estel_freemangordon,  for inclusion in thumb repo, is ready-for-compile tarball (autobuilder standard) enough, or you need compiled binaries too?02:23
chem|sthundreds of new users each month btw02:23
LinuxCodeDocScrutinizer05, yeh Im sure it will calm down02:24
*** jrocha has quit IRC02:24
LinuxCodereszing the 2GB partition made a huge difference02:26
Lava_Croft30k devices is a pityful amount02:26
LinuxCodemine was chocker block, and the whole N900 slowed down to a crawl02:26
Lava_Croftanyone have any idea how many were produced02:26
DocScrutinizer05I think in the million+02:27
Lava_Croftso that leaves 960.000 devices at least02:29
*** Milhouse has quit IRC02:29
Lava_Croftconsidering HW faults, a lot of them probably died02:29
DocScrutinizer05I seem to recall Nokia been taken by surprise by the preorders and sales during first 4 weeks, so the wirst batch of several 100k was way too small to satisfy the demand02:29
Lava_Crofti got mine early june 2010, so the initial MUST HAVE IT rage was mostly over then02:30
*** Milhouse has joined #maemo02:30
Lava_Croftstill, 30k devices that are actively used is not bad02:30
Lava_Croft40k tops02:30
Lava_Croftenough to hurt a lot of people if shit goes awry:<02:30
LinuxCodedoes apt download the catalogue each time it runs ?02:33
Lava_Croftit keeps a local cache02:33
LinuxCodek good02:33
DocScrutinizer05usually it should just check for date of file02:33
LinuxCodek good02:34
DocScrutinizer05which is why I think in a few day we will laugh about bandwidth problems with repo02:34
LinuxCodecertainly wont have me downloading loads of stuff02:35
warfareI'm off. l8ters.02:37
LinuxCodenn ;-}02:37
DocScrutinizer05I see downloads with 255kb02:37
LinuxCodeam I right to assume, that the RSS feed thing , is still a battery life destroyer02:38
DocScrutinizer05n8 warfare02:39
Lava_Croftplease do not say N802:39
Lava_Crofti still have nightmares of trying to make nokia careless take back that shit n8 and give me back my n90002:40
*** radic has joined #maemo02:40
DocScrutinizer05Fr 1. Feb 01:26:58 CET 2013  real       0m0.949s02:42
DocScrutinizer05Fr 1. Feb 01:31:59 CET 2013  real       0m1.098s02:42
DocScrutinizer05Fr 1. Feb 01:37:01 CET 2013  real       0m0.925s02:42
DocScrutinizer05Fr 1. Feb 01:42:01 CET 2013  real       0m2.766s02:42
LinuxCodeDocScrutinizer05, dl the extras-devel def takes time02:43
LinuxCodeso that is probably the culprit02:43
DocScrutinizer05(thats my *.m.o monitor using "wget"02:44
*** radic has quit IRC02:47
*** WielkiTost has joined #maemo02:50
*** NishanthMenon has quit IRC02:54
DocScrutinizer052770 clients02:54
*** konelix has quit IRC02:57
*** piggz has quit IRC02:59
*** piggz has joined #maemo02:59
*** vblazquez has quit IRC03:00
*** Hoolxi has joined #maemo03:00
*** vblazquez has joined #maemo03:01
DocScrutinizer05chmod: cannot access `/var/repository/staging/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle/*': No such file or directory03:01
DocScrutinizer05chmod: cannot access `/var/repository/staging/extras-devel/incoming-builder/diablo/*': No such file or directory03:01
DocScrutinizer05chmod: cannot access `/var/repository/staging/extras-devel/incoming-nonfree/diablo/*': No such file or directory03:01
* DocScrutinizer05 suspects a missing NFS mount03:01
DocScrutinizer05or not, since in the job throwing that error, a >>pid_skip /var/tmp/<< is showing up03:07
Estel_~seen pali03:09
infobotpali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 2d 33m 54s ago, saying: 'merlin1991, freemangordon can you compile it for cssu-devel?'.03:09
Estel_~seen Pali03:09
infobotpali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 2d 34m 6s ago, saying: 'merlin1991, freemangordon can you compile it for cssu-devel?'.03:09
*** radic has joined #maemo03:14
*** Psi__ has joined #maemo03:17
*** Psi has quit IRC03:17
*** vblazquez has quit IRC03:18
*** vblazquez has joined #maemo03:20
*** robbiethe1st has joined #maemo03:20
LinuxCodehmmm trying to install maegios, there seem to be missing packages03:22
LinuxCodebut it wont tell me which03:22
*** radic has quit IRC03:22
*** netkat has quit IRC03:31
robbiethe1stGo to the command line03:32
LinuxCodeI was in apt03:32
robbiethe1stWhat's it say?03:33
*** radic has joined #maemo03:33
robbiethe1stapt should say something useful03:33
LinuxCodeHash Sum mismatch03:34
*** WielkiTost has quit IRC03:34
robbiethe1stCan you pastebin the entire thing, please?03:34
merlin1991yeah, that's some thing to check, if the hashsum madness is still valid on the repos03:35
LinuxCodethis only seems to happen when I enable extras-devel03:36
* LinuxCode disables it again03:39
*** radic has quit IRC03:39
LinuxCodemight explain why I had issues on an alternate mirror too03:39
LinuxCodeis there a way I can force this one ?03:40
*** netkat has joined #maemo03:40
*** eccerr0r has left #maemo03:42
*** ecc3g has joined #maemo03:43
*** jon_y has quit IRC03:54
*** vblazquez has quit IRC03:57
robbiethe1stLinuxCode, if you've got the .deb downloaded03:57
*** eijk has quit IRC03:57
robbiethe1styou can find it in /var/cache/apt/archives03:57
robbiethe1stand install with dpkg and the --force=all option03:57
robbiethe1stor is it --force all03:57
LinuxCodeI will try that in a minute03:57
*** arcean has quit IRC03:58
*** radic has joined #maemo03:58
*** vblazquez has joined #maemo03:59
LinuxCodegood stuff04:03
LinuxCodepackage was fine, no need to force04:03
LinuxCodethank you very much robbiethe1st04:05
LinuxCodeand everyone else04:06
LinuxCodeoff to bed, I am sure I be back tomorrow ;-}04:06
LinuxCodegood night04:06
*** LinuxCode has quit IRC04:06
*** user has joined #maemo04:07
*** gggs has joined #maemo04:19
*** techlife has quit IRC04:23
gggsI've searched but can't find anything relevant- is there any way to check which 3G band my N900 is using? (2.1GHz or 900MHz)04:24
*** eijk has joined #maemo04:24
robbiethe1stUm, it's the one that T-mobile uses but AT&T doesn't04:27
*** futpib_ has quit IRC04:29
gggsHere in Australia carriers use 850MHz, 900MHz, and 2.1GHz for 3G04:29
*** techlife has joined #maemo04:30
merlin1991hm, looking at the "featureset" of systemd, I'm expecting some embeded distribution that just ships systemd, busybox and 2 or 3 service deamons04:31
*** Woody14619 has joined #maemo04:32
*** Woody14619 has quit IRC04:32
*** Woody14619 has joined #maemo04:32
Woody14619ping DocScrutinizer05 ?04:33
Woody14619So... Just posted to the forums...04:33
DocScrutinizer05long time no see!04:33 is well.. dead. :(04:34
Woody14619probably related to turning on the repos?04:34
Woody14619Yeah.. been a busy bee at work... (though I spent some time in the forums today while waiting for tests to run. ;)04:34
DocScrutinizer05ugh, lists is dead?04:34
DocScrutinizer05nah, should be unrelated to repo04:35
*** pcfe has joined #maemo04:42
*** pcfe has quit IRC04:42
*** pcfe has joined #maemo04:42
*** ecc2g has joined #maemo04:43
*** ecc3g has quit IRC04:43
*** pcfe` has quit IRC04:45
*** bef0rd has quit IRC04:46
*** user has quit IRC04:50
*** maybeArgh has joined #maemo05:00
*** maybeWTF has quit IRC05:04
*** bef0rd has joined #maemo05:04
*** em has quit IRC05:14
*** netkat has quit IRC05:22
*** githogori has joined #maemo05:27
*** netkat has joined #maemo05:29
*** |thunder has quit IRC05:32
*** |thunder has joined #maemo05:36
*** hardaker has quit IRC05:36
*** netkat has quit IRC05:40
*** Martix_ has joined #maemo05:43
*** radic has quit IRC05:45
* DocScrutinizer05 kills a kitten05:47
*** Martix_ has quit IRC05:49
*** Muelli has quit IRC05:49
*** netkat has joined #maemo05:49
*** e-yes has quit IRC05:51
*** vblazquez has quit IRC05:51
*** goblinday has joined #maemo05:55
*** eijk has quit IRC06:00
*** radic has joined #maemo06:00
*** DocScrutinizer05 has quit IRC06:03
*** DocScrutinizer05 has joined #maemo06:03
*** otep has quit IRC06:06
Lava_Croftgoblinday: I would strongly suggest you to talk normally06:06
Lava_CroftThat is, if you really want any help06:06
Lava_Croftoh my06:07
Lava_Croftapp manager gives an error because the repositories are down06:07
Lava_Croftlook at the topic of this channel06:08
Lava_Crofttype /topic06:08
Lava_Croftthe first link in the topic has info about how and why the repositories are down, which causes your app manager to give errors06:08
Lava_Croftread what i said:)06:08
Lava_Croftyou cant reach them06:09
Lava_Croftthey are down06:09
Lava_Croftanyhow, check the link in the topic06:09
*** guampa has quit IRC06:10
*** NishanthMenon has joined #maemo06:14
*** otep has joined #maemo06:15
*** SmilyOrg has joined #maemo06:15
Lava_Croftread what is written there06:15
*** goblinday has quit IRC06:16
*** eMHa has joined #maemo06:18
*** luke-jr_ has joined #maemo06:19
*** FReaper-PC has joined #maemo06:19
*** esaym has joined #maemo06:19
*** cehteh has quit IRC06:19
*** inf has quit IRC06:19
*** cehteh has joined #maemo06:19
*** eMHa__ has quit IRC06:19
*** Luke-Jr has quit IRC06:19
*** esaym153 has quit IRC06:19
*** fasta has quit IRC06:19
*** Smily has quit IRC06:19
*** FlameReaper-PC has quit IRC06:19
*** luke-jr_ is now known as Luke-Jr06:20
*** fasta has joined #maemo06:20
*** radic has quit IRC06:20
*** radic_ has joined #maemo06:20
*** inf has joined #maemo06:22
*** jon_y has joined #maemo06:25
*** joshgillies has joined #maemo06:26
*** uen| has joined #maemo06:32
*** ludens has quit IRC06:35
*** uen has quit IRC06:36
*** uen| is now known as uen06:36
*** robbiethe1st has quit IRC06:38
*** FReaper-PC has quit IRC06:38
*** ludens has joined #maemo06:41
*** lbt has quit IRC06:42
*** lbt has joined #maemo06:42
*** lbt has quit IRC06:42
*** lbt has joined #maemo06:42
*** FReaper-PC has joined #maemo06:45
*** nox- has quit IRC07:12
*** stardiviner has quit IRC07:14
*** MetalGearSolid has quit IRC07:15
*** bef0rd has quit IRC07:19
*** Martix_ has joined #maemo07:19
*** bef0rd has joined #maemo07:23
*** otep has quit IRC07:25
*** otep has joined #maemo07:33
*** techlife has quit IRC07:34
*** techlife has joined #maemo07:40
*** Martix_ has quit IRC07:40
*** otep has quit IRC07:42
*** MetalGearSolid has joined #maemo07:44
*** FReaper-PC has quit IRC07:46
*** b0unc3 has quit IRC07:49
*** Guest79001 has quit IRC07:54
*** VDVsx has quit IRC07:57
*** Termana has joined #maemo07:58
*** Termana is now known as Guest3285407:58
*** b0unc3 has joined #maemo08:04
*** otep has joined #maemo08:06
*** otep has quit IRC08:10
*** otep has joined #maemo08:12
*** hardaker has joined #maemo08:15
*** otep_ has joined #maemo08:19
*** otep has quit IRC08:20
*** rambocious has joined #maemo08:21
rambocioushow do I make the n900's file browser start in my root folder08:22
*** joshgillies has quit IRC08:23
*** ian---- has joined #maemo08:31
gggsAnyone know a way to check which 3G band is being used? (900/1800/2100)08:32
*** Guest32854 has quit IRC08:33
*** stardiviner has joined #maemo08:34
*** Termana- has joined #maemo08:38
*** VDVsx has joined #maemo08:38
*** DHR has quit IRC08:43
*** kolp has joined #maemo08:43
*** janemba_ has quit IRC08:51
*** janemba_ has joined #maemo08:53
*** NishanthMenon has quit IRC08:57
*** ssvb has quit IRC08:59
*** rambocious has quit IRC09:04
*** bef0rd has quit IRC09:11
*** Estel_ has quit IRC09:15
*** Estel_ has joined #maemo09:16
*** Estel_ has quit IRC09:20
*** hardaker has quit IRC09:22
*** janemba_ has quit IRC09:23
*** Estel_ has joined #maemo09:23
*** janemba_ has joined #maemo09:24
*** XATRIX has joined #maemo09:26
*** b0unc3 has quit IRC09:28
*** Ex-Opesa has quit IRC09:30
*** Ex-Opesa has joined #maemo09:31
*** Estel_ has quit IRC09:31
*** Vanadis__ has quit IRC09:33
*** _berto_ has joined #maemo09:34
*** Estel_ has joined #maemo09:35
*** b0unc3 has joined #maemo09:39
*** pvanhoof has joined #maemo09:41
*** pvanhoof_ has joined #maemo09:41
*** Luke-Jr has quit IRC09:44
*** FIQ has quit IRC09:48
*** Rantwolf has joined #maemo09:52
*** Smily has joined #maemo09:53
*** Estel_ has quit IRC09:54
*** CcxCZ_ has joined #maemo09:55
*** Luke-Jr has joined #maemo09:55
*** Estel_ has joined #maemo09:55
*** SmilyOrg has quit IRC09:56
*** murrayc has joined #maemo09:58
*** Estel_ has quit IRC09:59
*** FlameReaper-PC has joined #maemo10:01
*** luke-jr_ has joined #maemo10:05
*** Luke-Jr has quit IRC10:06
*** eMHa has quit IRC10:11
*** calvaris has joined #maemo10:14
*** CcxCZ_ has quit IRC10:15
*** drussell has quit IRC10:16
*** drussell has joined #maemo10:16
*** StyXman has quit IRC10:18
*** Pain has joined #maemo10:20
*** b0unc3 has quit IRC10:20
*** loganbr`` has joined #maemo10:22
*** stardiviner has quit IRC10:22
*** damo22 has joined #maemo10:22
*** Pain has quit IRC10:23
*** loganbr` has quit IRC10:23
*** MetalGearSolid has quit IRC10:24
*** stardiviner has joined #maemo10:24
*** xes has joined #maemo10:25
*** Hoolxi has quit IRC10:25
damo22as i understand this is a time when migration is being undertaken, is there any place i can get latest n900 firmware and flasher tool?10:27
*** M4rtinK has joined #maemo10:27
kerioyay skeiron10:27
keriothat's just the flasher, btw10:28
keriofirmwares are
*** sasquatch has quit IRC10:28
kerioif you want mirrors, there's mirrors of the repo on skeiron or on maemo-archive.wedrop.it10:28
*** sasquatch has joined #maemo10:29
*** Estel_ has joined #maemo10:29
damo22awesome, i am new to maemo, but when i plugged in my n900 to a linux pc it has i/o error and cant mount as usb... im thinking maybe the stock firmware  is too old10:29
*** koen_ has joined #maemo10:29
*** koen_ has left #maemo10:30
keriodamo22: did you enable usb mass storage mode?10:30
kerioalso, did you buy it used?10:30
damo22um supposed to be new, but cant guarantee that10:30
keriodamo22: anyway, it's still better to do a full reflash with the "latest" firmware10:31
damo22thats what i thought10:31
kerioand then install the latest cssu distro10:31
*** Estel_ has quit IRC10:32
*** Estel_ has joined #maemo10:32
keriohm, why is the freenode group Maemo and not maemo?10:33
*** NishanthMenon has joined #maemo10:34
*** edheldil has joined #maemo10:35
Estel_gggs,  it's very interesting question, actually10:37
Estel_frankly, I have no idea? is it possible, at all?10:37
keriothere's NetMon for maemo, perhaps it can figure it out?10:37
Estel_I wonder if switching frequencies is reported anywhere to any readable part of sane unix, be it kernel or userland, OR is it handled by firmware of gsm module, transparently10:38
Estel_without telling us anything at all10:38
Estel_mhm, there is a way to monitor cell ID of tower youmre connected to10:39
gggsEstel_: I know, I had a look through /proc and couldn't find anything, problem is I imagine the GSM/UMTS side of things could be closed src10:39
Estel_gggs,  afaik, everything we get from modem is via modem commands10:40
Estel_you know, we send it something, it sens response10:40
Estel_this way, we can determine cellID, and so goes on... but no idea about frequency used, do we have some wiki page with modem commands summed up?10:41
Estel_supported ones10:41
gggskerio: I have netmon, it shows a bunch of stuff including 'technology' (ie 3G), but not frequency used10:41
Estel_it's possible that it's there (command to determine band), but not used by anything10:41
*** croppa has joined #maemo10:41
Estel_our of curiosity, why do you need to check that?10:41
gggsEstel_: would cellID change if you were using the same tower, different frequency/technology?10:42
*** eMHa has joined #maemo10:42
Estel_I'm quite sure, that 3G uses different cellid (if not physical different tower) than 2G10:43
Estel_but I doubt that it woild change between two 3G's bands10:43
gggsIn Australia we have 900MHz GSM, but 3G uses either 850MHz, 900MHz, or 2100MHz depending on carrier & location10:43
Estel_yea, I'm aware of that. But why user need to care?10:44
Estel_other than fact about 850 mhz being most penetrable and *should* be available inside buildings/far from BT?10:44
kerioless power too, maybe?10:45
Estel_(900 too, btw)10:45
gggsbecause companies market 850MHz/900MHz 3G as `next G'/`yes G', apparently with much greater coverage10:45
gggskerio: in theory, yea10:45
Estel_well, if they don't suck at pumping power to it, it should have better coverage10:45
Estel_I doubt practical impact on battery life, unless you're on edge of 2100 range, and got upgrade to 850 pr 90010:46
gggsthing is, 2100MHz towers are used in city/suburban areas for load reasons, and I've no idea if my N900 is using 900MHz, or 2.1GHz10:46
*** MetalGearSolid has joined #maemo10:46
Estel_gggs,  I see, but as long as signal is strong, user shouldn't care?10:46
Estel_pings or whatever doesn't change, and you can't force using 850 or 900 neither...10:46
kerioit would be interesting to know, though10:47
kerioif there's a way to know10:47
Estel_so it's thing for base tower to decide, if you should be connected to it, or not10:47
gggsEncapsulation-wise, no, but I want to know when I go out of 2.1GHz band range and start using 900MHz10:47
Estel_sure, I agree - I would like to know too10:47
Estel_I see, scientifical curiosity. Well, for the sake of it, I would also like to be able to monitor it...10:48
Estel_try google'ing domain for "modem' and it's commands10:48
Estel_if it's not there, it's probably nowhere... In meantime, I'll check something frequency-wise...10:48
*** croppa has quit IRC10:48
gggsI could tape a frequency counter to the back of my N900 but that's not very efficient10:49
Estel_sure ;)10:50
Estel_well, reportedly, gnu radio cheap dongles can do that too, connected to N900's usb via hostmode...10:50
Estel_still, if we already have modem, why to use raw  radio10:51
gggsI've heard software-defined radio is the future, but still rather expensive10:52
gggsI'll have a look into modem commands10:52
*** luke-jr_ has quit IRC10:54
*** luke-jr_ has joined #maemo10:54
*** FReaper-PC has joined #maemo10:58
*** FlameReaper-PC has quit IRC10:59
*** thopiekar has joined #maemo10:59
damo22is there a way to tell what version of firmware is currently on my n900?11:01
keriodamo22: apt-cache policy mp-fremantle-generic-pr11:02
kerioif it's not installed, then you have one of the localized ones, which suck11:02
*** luke-jr_ has quit IRC11:03
Estel_gggs,  software defined radio is fine, but won't let you connected to encrypted 3G :P11:03
*** luke-jr_ has joined #maemo11:03
Estel_gnu radio dongles I said about are exploiting software defined radio, btw11:03
Estel_some of them can sniff from 30mhz to 2100 mhz range (with or without few gaps around 1100 mhz)11:04
damo22unable to locate package...11:04
keriodamo22: hrmpf :c11:05
keriodamo22: dpkg -l | grep mp-fremantle-11:05
gggsEstel_: aegis, right11:06
gggsgive it time11:06
kerioaegis has nothing to do with it11:06
kerioit's just that we don't really know wtf is going on with umts11:06
*** githogori has quit IRC11:07
damo22then theres 20.2011:08
keriodamo22: no, just the Installed version11:08
damo22so is this an old one? might i benefit from flashing?11:09
kerioyou'll definetely benefit from flashing the global firmware11:09
damo22k :)11:09
keriofollow the instructions at11:11
infoboti guess maemo-flashing is
*** MohammadAG has joined #maemo11:12
gggskerio: whoops, I meant whatever encryption 3G uses, I think GSM's has already been reverse-engineered11:14
*** githogori has joined #maemo11:15
*** Hoolxi has joined #maemo11:17
gggsEstel_: I might've found it: "AT!GETBAND?". I have no idea how to test this though11:19
*** teotwaki has joined #maemo11:19
keriogggs: AT!GETBAND? gives ERROR11:21
gggsSyntax: Query: AT!GETBAND? \\ Response: !GETBAND: <active band description> \\ OK \\ or \\ Unknown \\ OK11:23
gggsPurpose: Return a description of the current active band, or return an error message.11:23
keriogggs: yeah but it's not a standard command11:23
kerioand the n900 doesn't support it, evidently11:23
gggsdoes AT!BAND? do anything?11:23
kerioi tried that, too :) no luck11:23
kerioif you want to try, run /usr/bin/pnatd as root11:24
gggscould be proprietary11:24
keriothere's no way to exit from within it, mind you11:24
*** thopiekar_ has joined #maemo11:27
gggsthe xterm, or the mode altogether?11:30
*** onion has quit IRC11:30
*** thopiekar has quit IRC11:31
gggsoh I see11:32
gggsyea, and don't make typos11:32
*** WielkiTost has joined #maemo11:33
*** onion has joined #maemo11:36
gggssome commands at , but none of them seem to work on the N90011:36
*** WielkiTost has quit IRC11:38
*** florian_kc has joined #maemo11:39
*** florian_kc has quit IRC11:39
*** florian_kc has joined #maemo11:39
*** florian_kc is now known as florian11:39
*** OkropNick has joined #maemo11:43
*** kolp has quit IRC11:48
*** vaicine has joined #maemo11:50
*** kolp has joined #maemo11:50
*** vaicine has left #maemo11:50
DocScrutinizer05gggs: check netmon11:56
DocScrutinizer05ooh nm, you already found it11:59
DocScrutinizer05generally speaking the channel number is clearly related to the freq and thus band12:00
*** githogori has quit IRC12:01
*** valerius has quit IRC12:02
*** MohammadAG has quit IRC12:10
*** spoofy has quit IRC12:10
*** GuySoft has quit IRC12:10
*** dhbiker has quit IRC12:10
*** RP_ has quit IRC12:10
*** trx has quit IRC12:10
*** jben1 has quit IRC12:10
*** orlok has quit IRC12:10
*** githogori has joined #maemo12:11
*** MohammadAG has joined #maemo12:13
*** spoofy has joined #maemo12:13
*** GuySoft has joined #maemo12:13
*** dhbiker has joined #maemo12:13
*** RP_ has joined #maemo12:13
*** trx has joined #maemo12:13
*** jben1 has joined #maemo12:13
*** orlok has joined #maemo12:13
*** thopiekar_ has quit IRC12:13
*** freddiiiii has joined #maemo12:15
freddiiiiiHi. I would like to know how long it would take for new software to end up in Extras.12:15
freddiiiiiI am looking for Ubi which is a Ubuntu One synchronisation client for Maemo. It has been submitted to extras-devel a while ago, and is nowhere to be spotted in Extras yet.12:16
*** FlameReaper-PC has joined #maemo12:19
*** valerius has joined #maemo12:19
*** FReaper-PC has quit IRC12:21
freddiiiiiIt has been submitted almost one year ago. And it is still not in Extras while the wiki mentions after a while things get put in Extras.12:21
*** MetalGearSolid has quit IRC12:21
DocScrutinizer05freddiiiii: first maintainer needs to promote it to extras-testing, which he's supposed to do only after checking it for complience with a number of preconditions. In extras-testing it will need votes by testers who are supposed to again make sure pretty similar preconditions are fulfilled12:21
*** b0unc3 has joined #maemo12:22
gggsDocScrutinizer05: channel number?12:28
*** chenca has joined #maemo12:33
*** FlameReaper-PC has quit IRC12:33
freddiiiiiDocScrutinizer05, thank you for the information.12:34
*** freddiiiii has quit IRC12:35
DocScrutinizer05 UTRA Absolute Radio Frequency Channel Number12:36
*** githogori has quit IRC12:37
*** StyXman has joined #maemo12:38
*** StyXman has quit IRC12:38
*** StyXman has joined #maemo12:38
gggsDocScrutinizer05: where do I find that? doesn't seem to be in NetMon12:39
DocScrutinizer05sorry I don't know netmon by heart12:43
*** rcg has joined #maemo12:45
*** guampa has joined #maemo12:45
gggsnp, getting closer, might be able to find an AT command for it12:45
*** githogori has joined #maemo12:47
DocScrutinizer05[notice] FW reboot scheduled for now+5min, lists.m.o back to operational state12:49
*** MetalGearSolid has joined #maemo12:49
DocScrutinizer05gggs: pnatd sucks12:50
DocScrutinizer05it emulates a very limited set of AT commands, just sufficient for USB-UMTS-modem12:50
gggsah, I see12:51
*** stardiviner has quit IRC12:52
kerioDocScrutinizer05: i thought it was the access we had to rapuyama12:52
*** damo22 has quit IRC12:52
DocScrutinizer05it is, but our BB5/rapu isn't gifted with a AT interpreter aiui12:53
keriowhat's the "official" interface for it?12:53
*** XATRIX has quit IRC12:53
*** githogori has quit IRC12:53
*** XATRIX has joined #maemo12:53
DocScrutinizer05[notice] FW reboot postponed to *:0012:55
keriohow quick is the FW reboot? i don't think we'd notice12:56
*** arcean has joined #maemo12:59
*** croppa has joined #maemo13:00
*** croppa has quit IRC13:01
*** croppa has joined #maemo13:01
*** Psi__ has quit IRC13:02
*** wirr has quit IRC13:03
*** Ken-Young has joined #maemo13:03
kerioDocScrutinizer05: your fw reboot made my home connection reset! D:13:03
Ken-YoungAre the repositories down?13:04
DocScrutinizer05what's worse: it's supposed to already be up again13:04
kerioDocScrutinizer05: it is up13:05
DocScrutinizer05Ken-Young: are they?13:05
kerioKen-Young: worksforme13:05
Ken-YoungNot for me, sadly.   apt-get update just slowly times out on all of them.13:05
kerioare you suuuuuuuuure?13:05
kerioDocScrutinizer05: rmo is slow, but loads - eventually13:06
DocScrutinizer05rmo is bypassing FW13:06
DocScrutinizer05so it better be up! >:-D13:06
keriooh right13:06
*** githogori has joined #maemo13:06
kerio...then why is it still slow as fuck? :(13:06
*** Psi has joined #maemo13:06
Ken-Youngkerio, Well, it's possible I typed in all the repository strings incorrectly, but I've checked and checked and rechecked.13:07
keriooh, it became faster all of a sudden13:07
DocScrutinizer05because of: 26.7Mbps up, 689kbps down13:07
kerioKen-Young: are you sure that the timeout is on ?13:07
kerioKen-Young: disable every non-skeiron non-merlin1991 repo13:08
Ken-Youngkerio, Not really.   I can ping it successfully.   The Nokia repositories (OVI, ect) update properly, but the skeiron ones do not.13:08
keriois it a timeout or a 404?13:09
*** MartinK_N9 has joined #maemo13:09
Ken-Young2op "If I disable all non-skeiron repositories, things work properly.13:09
Ken-Youngkerio timeout13:09
kerio...then it's clearly not skeiron, is it13:09
*** githogori has quit IRC13:09
Ken-Youngkerio, Why do you say that - I get the errors only when the skeiron repositories are enabled.13:10
*** damo22 has joined #maemo13:10
*** githogori has joined #maemo13:10
kerio"all non-skeiron repositories"13:10
keriooften, that means that every repository except the skeiron ones13:10
*** gggs has quit IRC13:12
Ken-Youngkerio They started updating properly.   I guess it was a temporary thing.   Sorry to waste people's time.13:12
damo22anyone seen this problem?
keriodamo22: using H-E-N?13:12
damo22not really13:13
keriooh, that's on your computer?13:13
kerioi see, sorry13:13
*** MetalGearSolid has quit IRC13:13
damo22im trying to flash this puppy13:13
kerioit's either a slightly borked usb port, in which case i hope you have a soldering iron and a steady hand13:13
kerioor... hm, did you blacklist cdc_phonet?13:13
keriotry doing that13:14
kerioalthough it should still not give usb errors13:14
*** MetalGearSolid has joined #maemo13:14
keriodamo22: btw, try changing usb port and/or cable too13:14
damo22could it be my usb host controller not playing nice with usb 1.1?13:15
kerioby the way, why is it usb 1.1?13:15
*** githogori has quit IRC13:15
kerioshouldn't it be 2.0?13:15
damo22no idea13:16
damo22this is my first n90013:16
kerioi meant on your computer's side13:16
damo22my computer has 2.013:16
damo22but for some reason when the n900 is plugged in, it tries usb 1.113:17
DocScrutinizer05this might indicate hw problem13:20
DocScrutinizer05also see ~flashing (read *full* page!)13:20
infobotit has been said that maemo-flashing is
damo22maybe some idiot ruined it and then sold me a borked device13:21
*** wirr has joined #maemo13:21
keriodamo22: well, the n900's musb port is really, really weak13:21
kerio(i thought you said it was a new device, though)13:21
keriodo you have another musb B-usb A cable?13:22
DocScrutinizer05and then there's also been
*** markinfo has joined #maemo13:23
keriobut... 1.1 is slooooooooooooow13:23
damo22woot the cable fixed it13:24
keriodamo22: might want to make sure that the "teeth" that hold the cable in place are soft, and put as much graphite powder on the musb plug as you can13:25
kerioand always pull straight off the port, never bend13:25
infobotfrom memory, usbfix is - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)13:25
*** githogori has joined #maemo13:26
*** wirr has quit IRC13:26
DocScrutinizer05graphite powder??? :-o  use a soft pencil, noob!13:27
damo22do i plug the battery back in before flashing the other half?13:27
damo22its not specified13:27
keriodamo22: launch new flashing, connect cable, hold u, put battery in13:28
DocScrutinizer05damo22: it says "restart from step one", no?13:28
*** mvp_ has quit IRC13:28
DocScrutinizer05this is clearly the most clumsy but absolutely foolproof method13:29
kerioDocScrutinizer05: is there a condition check, to avoid infinite loops?13:29
*** githogori has quit IRC13:29
DocScrutinizer05yes, "*for the eMMC*, restart with step 1"13:29
DocScrutinizer05its a "for x in <elem> <elem>; do..." loop13:30
DocScrutinizer05it isn't infinite, per definitionem13:30
damo22it worked13:33
*** lizardo has joined #maemo13:33
keriodamo22: don't put your SIM in yet13:33
damo22i havent13:33
keriodamo22: install CSSU and after you've done that, uninstall the "cherry" package13:34
kerioit's the mynokia premium sms subscription bullshit13:34
keriofollow the instructions religiously13:35
damo22woot i have 27Gb, used to have 213:37
*** croppa has quit IRC13:40
user05anyone with success to install bluemaemo app on nokia n900? Thnx!14:03
*** disco_stu_droid has joined #maemo14:04
*** disco_stu has quit IRC14:04
*** disco_stu_droid is now known as disco_stu14:05
damo22i tried to install a maemo mirror as the application catalogue, but it has gpg errors?14:05
damo22i used extras-testing from
*** loganbr`` has quit IRC14:08
*** githogori has joined #maemo14:09
*** loganbr`` has joined #maemo14:09
*** WielkiTost has joined #maemo14:13
*** githogori has quit IRC14:13
damo22my web browser doesnt seem to like the .install script it just loads it as text14:17
damo22can i just do some stuff in bash14:17
damo22like sudo apt-get install cssu14:18
thedead1440damo22: the original nokia repos have gpg errors; don't install extras-testing but use extras and extras-devel; those two are sufficient to install from extras. Skeiron work for both of them14:18
keriodamo22: you have to use the n900's browser14:19
keriothedead1440: also works14:19
thedead1440yeah but its slow 25Mb/s to be shared by everyone so better not hammer it risk it going down :D14:19
kerioit's even worse to fuck up the HAM domain information14:20
kerioand enabling extras and extras-devel at the same time is worse than useless14:20
damo22well i dont want to cause any problems, which repo would use less?14:21
keriodamo22: just use repository.maemo.org14:21
keriowe have to figure out if it's working anyway14:21
*** odin_ has quit IRC14:22
freemangordonkerio: what? RMO works?14:24
keriofreemangordon: i know, right14:24
damo22looks frozen to me in my update thing14:24
kerioit's just slow as fuck14:24
damo22checking for updates, please wait... frozen14:24
keriodamo22: how did you install backupmenu?14:24
damo22cbf, i can always reflash14:25
keriogreat, so after i told you to follow the instructions religiously, especially step one, you decide to not follow the instructions religiously, and especially not step one14:25
damo22i couldnt work out how anyway14:26
damo22i havent installed cssu yet anyway14:28
damo22im just getting the updated list of packages then i will install backupmenu14:29
*** etrunko has joined #maemo14:30
damo22afaict its similar to a debian process of apt-get update, apt-get install backupmenu, apt-get install cssu or whatever14:31
*** pcfe` has joined #maemo14:33
*** pcfe` has quit IRC14:33
*** pcfe` has joined #maemo14:33
*** pcfe has quit IRC14:36
*** ZogG_laptop has quit IRC14:36
damo22rmo seems to be working14:38
damo22just very slow14:38
damo22hopefully my donation helps14:40
*** pcfe` has quit IRC14:41
*** pcfe has joined #maemo14:42
*** pcfe has quit IRC14:42
*** pcfe has joined #maemo14:42
*** arcean_ has joined #maemo14:46
*** Ken-Young has quit IRC14:47
*** arcean has quit IRC14:48
*** NishanthMenon has quit IRC14:50
damo22im dying to get sshd working on this thing14:51
*** loganbr`` has quit IRC14:55
*** luke-jr_ is now known as Luke-Jr14:59
*** Ex-Opesa has quit IRC14:59
*** Ex-Opesa has joined #maemo15:00
*** ZogG_laptop has joined #maemo15:07
*** ZogG_laptop has quit IRC15:07
*** ZogG_laptop has joined #maemo15:07
*** futpib has joined #maemo15:11
*** wirr has joined #maemo15:35
*** NIN101 has joined #maemo15:37
keriodamo22: just install the openssh package :)15:40
kerioit'll also give you root access, because it'll ask you for a new root password15:40
kerioyou can do ssh root@localhost if you want root15:41
kerio(su doesn't work, it's not suid because busybox is busybox, and it's crap)15:41
kerioi recommend configuring sudo15:41
kerioand setting passwords for root and user15:41
kerio(don't edit /etc/sudoers manually, make your own file in /etc/sudoers.d/ and then run update-sudoers)15:41
kerioif you want a more complete terminal toolkit, follow15:42
kerioespecially the parts regarding the gnu coreutils15:43
keriohowever, install cssu and backupmenu first15:43
kerioDocScrutinizer05: do you reckon that cssu could and/or should nullify cherry in some way?15:44
DocScrutinizer05yes, it should, and I think it could15:44
kerioin which way? leave cherry installed and touch .cherry_state, or nullify it entirely with a dummy package?15:44
DocScrutinizer05should get handled in that general purpose sanity checker app I suggested15:44
DocScrutinizer05which also could check| etc15:45
NIN101kerio so you can suggest a better concept than busybox?15:45
kerioNIN101: a better "concept"?15:45
keriothey're called gnu coreutils15:45
DocScrutinizer05for each sanitation you could choose from several options, like "never do"/"do once, now"/"do on every boot"/...15:46
NIN101busybox is more than just coreutils. But I aggree, given the target audience the "real" tools would be a better choise for maemo at least.15:46
kerioDocScrutinizer05: programming UIs sucks, and users are users are dumb15:46
infobotmessy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils15:47
NIN101"A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils"15:47
*** Darkchaos has joined #maemo15:47
teotwakiI guess the idea was "let's take something that doesn't take up huge amounts of time to start up and run, nor does it take a huge amount of space"15:47
NIN101shouldn't you hate the system integerators :-)?15:47
DocScrutinizer05kerio: don't kid me, there's even zenity to handle such simple shit15:47
norttiNIN101: toybox15:47
NIN101ah I think that's landley's project.15:48
DocScrutinizer05kerio: I could write such "app" with less than 100 lines of bash script15:48
nortticurrently running it15:48
norttion my desktop, I mean15:48
kerionortti: really? :o15:51
norttiwhy not?15:51
norttialso it is staticaly linked version compiled against musl libc15:52
kerioDocScrutinizer05: Put another way: if we find a better way to do something, we should _not_ say "well, if users want it, they can do this <technical thing here>". If it really is a better way to do something, we should just do it. Requiring user setup is _not_ a feature.15:52
*** konelix has joined #maemo15:52
kerio(sorry, took a bit of time to find the exact quote)15:53
norttioh and I run modified slitaz without x11 on 12 year old computer  with 64MB of RAM. you should guess what kind of person I'm by now15:53
kerionortti: is your desktop also severely resource-constrained?15:53
DocScrutinizer05kerio: what's wrong with offering a UI to user, where they can decide if they want to stick with mynokia, or have it nuked?15:54
DocScrutinizer05stick with or switch to supl.google15:54
norttikerio: it has 700MHz P3 and 64MB of RAM15:54
NIN101nortti: nice :-).15:54
*** murrayc has quit IRC15:54
DocScrutinizer05ouch, 64MB of ram15:55
norttiNIN101: want a shell account on it?15:55
kerioi feel that my irc bouncer uses more than that15:55
norttiit really isn't that bad if you don't have x11 running15:55
kerionortti: if you're a real man, use it as a seedbox15:55
fluxthat's why satan invented swap15:55
norttikerio: why? I use my 100MHz P1 with 40MB of RAM for that15:56
*** lastaid_ has joined #maemo15:56
norttikerio: and you don't want to know what I used in 200915:57
lastaid_Hello, i need some help restoring my rom on the n900. its standard CSSU rom with Uboot, but it recently broke, meaing all widgets overlay each other and make it unusable15:57
norttias my main computer15:57
DocScrutinizer05wtf P1?15:57
lastaid_where do i get a vanilla rom for the n900, or at least a "VERY" stable usable15:57
norttiDocScrutinizer05: yes?15:57
kerionortti: you're probably paying enough in electricity to afford to buy a sheevaplug and still come up ahead15:58
DocScrutinizer05what is that? a modemrouter?15:58
kerioor a rpi15:58
lastaid_kerio, rpi would be a nice replacement :D15:59
kerioDocScrutinizer05: i assume he means a pentium15:59
*** MartinK_N9_ has joined #maemo15:59
*** sampos has joined #maemo15:59
keriowhich is not "frugal" by any means, unless you're stealing your electricity15:59
norttikerio: my main computer has about 50W power and P1 has 100W15:59
keriocompare that to a much, much, much, much, MUCH faster sheevaplug, which uses 5W at max load15:59
norttikerio: too new but I guess I could buy one in 201416:00
kerioi just... don't get it16:00
norttiI don't buy computers newer than 5 years old16:01
kerioyes, and i don't get it16:01
norttiand I use them until I can't do everything I want with them16:01
keriotwo years of running that crappy P1 will cost you much, much more than a sheevaplug and two years of energy for it16:01
DocScrutinizer05my last slow PC been a P-II/300 with some 498MB ram, my last 'small' laptop a pana toughbook CF-25 with also P-II/300 and 128MB16:02
*** MartinK_N9 has quit IRC16:02
DocScrutinizer05I still own one of the latter16:02
kerioDocScrutinizer05: battery life?16:02
DocScrutinizer05*shrug*, never tried it16:03
Skrymine was P2-300 with 256MB, 233mmx before that16:03
DocScrutinizer05probably battery is dead16:03
DocScrutinizer05got a CF-29 now, with rather good battery16:04
DocScrutinizer05for the mad max missions16:04
norttiI should probably post an article here that explains my rationale if it wasn't written in finish :/16:05
*** NIN101 has quit IRC16:05
*** NIN102 has joined #maemo16:05
orloknortti: did you work for nokia?16:05
kerioi feel that there's no excuse, if only for the environmental problem16:06
norttiorlok: no16:06
norttikerio: what kind of psu do you have?16:08
keriolaptop battery :)16:08
norttithen the watt comparision could be pretty hard...16:09
keriook, let's compare it to my sheevaplug then16:09
norttibut I usually like to point that out to people with 1000W PSUs critizing my computer for being a power hog16:10
*** sampos has left #maemo16:10
keriook, let's compare it to the sheevaplug16:10
kerioat max load16:10
norttido you use sheevaplug?16:10
kerioas a file server/print server/bittorrent client16:11
norttiif you don't you seem like a hypocrite to me to be honest16:11
keriohowever, i do16:11
*** jonwil has joined #maemo16:12
norttifair enough16:12
norttiyes, my computer will lose to sheevaplug in energy usage, however the ecological footprint will be very hard to measure16:13
*** Ethernin has joined #maemo16:16
*** MartinK_N9__ has joined #maemo16:16
*** konelix has quit IRC16:17
*** konelix has joined #maemo16:18
DocScrutinizer05ecological footprint of old rocks in continued usage as opposed to getting new stuff with new chips and new younameit is generally hard to beat16:18
*** andre__ has quit IRC16:19
*** MartinK_N9_ has quit IRC16:19
kerioDocScrutinizer05: in which sense?16:19
DocScrutinizer05ecological penalty for producing a new computer will most likely beat all power it might consume during its life16:19
DocScrutinizer05hands down, even16:20
*** Ethernin has quit IRC16:20
kerioDocScrutinizer05: even stuff like a P1?16:20
DocScrutinizer05kerio: IOW, the energy the factory wasted for producing your sheevaplug would suffice for nortti to run his old rocks til ~225416:21
keriosomehow i doubt it, a sheevaplug doesn't cost nearly enough for that16:22
keriodamage to the environment, maybe16:22
*** Merlin1973 has joined #maemo16:26
*** lbt is now known as lbt_away16:33
ShadowJKThe missing thing is that ecological footprint isn't priced in16:34
*** Ethernin has joined #maemo16:35
DocScrutinizer05see coltan etc16:42
DocScrutinizer05rare earth stuff16:42
DocScrutinizer05or noble earths16:43
*** VDVsx has quit IRC16:45
lastaid_hey there16:45
lastaid_i have a problem, my n900 just broke, which makes me quite sad, now i want to reflash vanilla rom, but the nokia side is down.16:46
infobotfrom memory, mirror is
lastaid_i already have the rom, at least i hope so16:47
lastaid_but i cannot find the flash tool for linux16:47
lastaid_skeiron has the rom, but not the flash tool16:47
lastaid_wirr, what roms do i need from that side, i do not understand what he means with FIASCO rom16:48
keriolastaid_: very little is read-only, on the n90016:48
*** hardaker has joined #maemo16:48
kerioso don't talk about ROMs16:49
kerio"the [Kernel Power] package on it's own is recommended"16:49
* kerio flees from doc's area-of-effect wrath16:50
lastaid_so ok, i got the eMMC part, the one on the top, what else do i need16:50
lastaid_this is the only part i do not get ...16:50
keriolastaid_: you need VANILLA, but it's not the topmost one16:50
keriolook for the one that says "latest vanilla"16:50
kerioand then you need the one that says "latest maemo 5 global"16:51
keriothat's COMBINED16:51
lastaid_thanks :)(16:51
lastaid_so its like firmware + os or ...16:51
kerioVANILLA is to flash the emmc, it's not *needed*16:51
lastaid_now i just need the flash tool and i am happy16:52
kerioas wirr said, it's in
kerioyou need maemo_flasher-3.5 for the n90016:52
*** zap__ has joined #maemo16:53
*** zap__ has quit IRC16:54
*** shanttu has joined #maemo16:54
*** NeutrinoPower has joined #maemo16:57
lastaid_the same side just said no to me a few seconds ago :D16:57
*** rm_work has joined #maemo16:58
*** rm_work has joined #maemo16:58
chem|stlastaid_: root folder does everything else does not16:59
chem|stso says no... does say yes!16:59
ccxCZwhat should I install for SIP?17:03
wirrccxCZ, nuffin' it's all there17:04
DocScrutinizer05tbh I can't find the friggin flasher-3.5 on skeiron17:06
*** BCMM has joined #maemo17:07
DocScrutinizer05anyway maemo_flasher-3.5_2.4.5.3_beta.tar.gz is available in too17:09
DocScrutinizer05Do not post complete URL!17:09
DocScrutinizer05also wtf? that URL is under the link "Maemo 4.1.2 Diablo kernel patch and new kernel image for USB Networking on Windows, ver 0.4"17:11
DocScrutinizer05I never would dare to click that link when searching for flasher-3.517:13
*** thessy has joined #maemo17:14
ccxCZwirr: can't find how to set it up then17:16
ccxCZah, got it17:17
*** Smily has quit IRC17:18
*** Smily has joined #maemo17:18
*** spoofy has quit IRC17:20
*** thessy has quit IRC17:23
*** bef0rd has joined #maemo17:25
*** wulfe has quit IRC17:27
*** eMHa_ has joined #maemo17:30
*** eMHa has quit IRC17:30
*** BCMM has quit IRC17:33
*** odin_ has joined #maemo17:34
*** fasta has quit IRC17:36
DocScrutinizer05my apologies for the link "Command line flasher binaries are available here" on being stale. We'll try to fix it in due time17:37
*** teotwaki has quit IRC17:39
*** pvanhoof has quit IRC17:47
*** pvanhoof_ has quit IRC17:48
jonwilanyone here know how to tell what the different icons next to someones name when you are on Skype mean?17:55
*** teotwaki has joined #maemo17:56
*** BCMM has joined #maemo17:58
thedead1440jonwil: you mean the online status of the contact?18:00
thedead1440ah its just the regular online status of contact; you want to know what the colours represent?18:01
jonwilyes the different values18:01
jonwilI know there is offline and online but there are other icons too18:01
thedead1440green=online, yellow=away, red=busy/do not disturb, grey with a stroke=offline18:02
jonwilI am seeing a blue icon with an arrow in it18:02
jonwilwhat does that mean?18:02
jonwilthis is in the N900 conversations app btw in case that wasn't clear18:03
thedead1440hmm not too sure18:04
thedead1440ask freemangordon he uses Skype alot so he should know18:05
freemangordonjonwil: jonwil on the device?18:07
jonwilon the device18:07
jonwilin the N900 conversations app18:07
freemangordonnever seen that18:07
freemangordonwhich account, skype?18:08
jonwilyes skype18:08
thedead1440is this those new M$Live-Skype merged accounts maybe?18:08
*** spoofy has joined #maemo18:09
jonwilno idea18:10
*** XATRIX has quit IRC18:12
*** Hoolxi has quit IRC18:14
thedead1440jonwil: have you received or made a call to that contact? It could be signifying history of having made calls?18:19
jonwilnope,just sent messages18:19
thedead1440google doesn't give anything interesting too18:20
*** hardaker has quit IRC18:21
*** jonwil has quit IRC18:24
*** Merlin1973 has quit IRC18:28
*** valerius has quit IRC18:33
*** florian has quit IRC18:37
*** calvaris has quit IRC18:37
*** sq-one has joined #maemo18:50
*** thessy has joined #maemo18:52
*** _berto_ has quit IRC18:52
*** ced117 has joined #maemo18:56
*** stardiviner has joined #maemo19:02
*** hardaker has joined #maemo19:03
*** Darkchaos has quit IRC19:04
*** eijk has joined #maemo19:09
*** Woody14619 has quit IRC19:11
*** Woody14619 has joined #maemo19:11
*** Woody14619 has joined #maemo19:11
*** eijk has quit IRC19:12
kerioDocScrutinizer05: current throughput on rmo?19:13
*** sixwheeledbeast has joined #maemo19:15
*** timo^ has joined #maemo19:19
*** timo^ is now known as Timo19:19
*** mad_dev has joined #maemo19:22
*** eijk has joined #maemo19:23
*** rcg has quit IRC19:25
DocScrutinizer0526.9 up19:26
DocScrutinizer050.8 down19:26
*** MentalistTraceur has joined #maemo19:26
*** afz has joined #maemo19:27
keriostill hasn't slowed down19:27
DocScrutinizer0559285 unique IPs served so far19:27
DocScrutinizer05afk, cya in 30min at meeting19:28
*** eijk has quit IRC19:28
*** eijk has joined #maemo19:29
*** calvaris has joined #maemo19:30
*** thopiekar has joined #maemo19:31
mad_devthis might sound a bit insulting to some. but when will i be able to upgrade my packages?19:33
*** valerius has joined #maemo19:33
*** Schumbi has joined #maemo19:34
keriowhen you start being less mad :P19:34
*** afz has quit IRC19:34
*** radic_ has quit IRC19:34
mad_devohh..but i am19:34
kerioi'm not sure there even *is* an ETA to bring the autobuilder back to working19:36
*** thessy has quit IRC19:36
*** eijk has quit IRC19:36
keriowe barely have working19:36
MentalistTraceurUpgrade as in upload updates to what you maintain, or as in download updates to stuff you have installed?19:36
mad_devthe latter19:37
kerio...oh, i might've completely misunderstood19:37
MentalistTraceurIt should be possible right now, although it's slow and sometimes connections are dropped, at least over the command-line using apt-get.19:37
MentalistTraceurIf you're using Hildon Application Manager, though, I think the GPG key issue might prevent it from downloading stuff.19:38
kerioMentalistTraceur: nope19:38
mad_devi am still getting a 503 error19:39
MentalistTraceurkerio: Well, not from's extras, but from the Nokia repos? Or am I wrong about that too?19:39
kerioyou can't *upgrade* from the nokia repos19:39
*** thopiekar has quit IRC19:39
kerioor, rather, you can't upgrade from the nokia repos if you have a package with a domain that has a trust level of more than 019:40
keriothat usually includes a bunch of system packages19:40
keriobut really, most of the nokia ssu repo is preinstalled in pr1.3 anyway19:40
*** cyndis has quit IRC19:42
*** cyndis has joined #maemo19:43
*** mad_dev has quit IRC19:43
MentalistTraceurkerio: Okay, so, can you go through this list with me and say yes/works or no/doesn't-work for each item: apt-get update: through commandline, through HAM, through FAM; downloading/upgrading packages from extras/testing/devel/cssu from command-line, HAM, FAM; downloading/installing from Nokia SSU repo (cli/ham/fam); updating/installing from Nokia Binaries repo (cli/ham/fam); downloading/upgrading Nokia SDK repo (cli/ham/fam)?19:45
MentalistTraceur... repos can we not do what in, due to the key issue?19:45
*** mad_dev has joined #maemo19:46
*** mad_dev has quit IRC19:46
MentalistTraceurI'm finally drafting the e-mail to Nokia about it right now, and I want to make sure I didn't fuck up in explaining the issue.19:46
kerioassuming no timeouts from rmo, everything works through apt-get (at most you have to say "yes, install without verification"), HAM will not consider packages from nokia ssu/nokia apps as valid packages for the upgrade of "system" packages (and i'm not sure if uninstalling and reinstalling outside HAM will fix that)19:47
kerioeverything else works perfectly19:48
*** StyXman has quit IRC19:48
kerioie the only problem is that the key in the nokia repos isn't valid anymore19:49
DocScrutinizer05MentalistTraceur: pali already sent a mail. TBH I don't know what that mail shall be all about19:49
kerioand so HAM will only do new installs from those19:49
*** pcfe has quit IRC19:51
*** ZogG_laptop has quit IRC19:51
MentalistTraceurKerio: yeah, I was just trying to figure out exactly what repo(s) of the various Nokia ones, were affected. DocScrutinizer05: Oh. Alright. I wish someone had told me so I didn't worry about how to articulate it properly and beat myself up over taking a whole week before getting time to do it, but I suppose that's what I get for not coming on to IRC regularly (being less in-the-loop).19:52
kerioMentalistTraceur: all the nokia repos19:52 is ours now :)19:52
*** Preflext has quit IRC19:54
MentalistTraceurI just noticed the damned perl script I have for splitting long lines of input into separate test doesn't work right (cuts off too late), so some text is still lost.19:54
*** Preflext has joined #maemo19:54
MentalistTraceur(Though I suppose that's nothing in comparison to the greater good of finally having perl-supporting IRSSI compiled on my N900.)19:55
MentalistTraceurs/separate test/separate text/19:55
*** futpib has quit IRC19:55
*** futpib has joined #maemo19:56
MentalistTraceurDocScrutinizer05: Do you have the e-mail Pali sent to them? If so, can you forward it to me?19:56
MentalistTraceurSpeaking of irssi: does anyone know what obscure bug could cause irssi to segfault on 'irssi --help' but to work fine otherwise?19:59
MentalistTraceurBecause that seems to be my current situation.19:59
*** BigBoxDr_ has joined #maemo19:59
*** Schumbi has quit IRC19:59
DocScrutinizer05MentalistTraceur: sure thing, please remind me later, after meeting20:00
MentalistTraceurDocScrutinizer05: will do.20:01
*** BCMM has quit IRC20:02
*** VDVsx has joined #maemo20:03
*** eMHa_ has quit IRC20:04
*** int_ua has joined #maemo20:07
*** Darkchaos has joined #maemo20:07
*** florian has joined #maemo20:13
*** BigBoxDr_ has quit IRC20:14
*** MetalGearSolid has quit IRC20:15
*** MetalGearSolid has joined #maemo20:16
*** xes has quit IRC20:17
*** MrPingu has quit IRC20:18
*** techlife has quit IRC20:19
*** BCMM has joined #maemo20:19
*** chenca has quit IRC20:21
*** techlife has joined #maemo20:25
*** ZogG_laptop has joined #maemo20:26
*** ZogG_laptop has quit IRC20:26
*** ZogG_laptop has joined #maemo20:26
*** techlife has joined #maemo20:26
*** wulfe has joined #maemo20:27
*** techlife has joined #maemo20:27
*** techlife has joined #maemo20:27
*** techlife has joined #maemo20:29
*** techlife has joined #maemo20:30
*** techlife has joined #maemo20:30
*** techlife has joined #maemo20:31
*** Ethernin has quit IRC20:31
*** Wulas has joined #maemo20:32
*** techlife has joined #maemo20:32
WulasThis link doesn't work, have anyone the setup files?
WulasMy N900 is in a rebootloop -.-20:32
*** techlife has joined #maemo20:33
chem|stpull the battery20:35
WulasI've done that many times :P20:35
chem| even20:36
*** BigBoxDr_ has joined #maemo20:38
*** BCMM has quit IRC20:40
*** Wulas has quit IRC20:40
*** BCMM has joined #maemo20:42
MentalistTraceurHeh, I didn't know people mirrored those too. Cool.20:43
*** valerius has quit IRC20:45
Woody14619If they hadn't, I had.  Good to have firmware backups for any device.20:46
Woody14619(Especially closed source ones.  Much easier to rev-eng a flash image than on hardware most times.)20:46
*** eMHa_ has joined #maemo20:47
*** StyXman has joined #maemo20:50
*** pcfe has joined #maemo20:52
*** pcfe has quit IRC20:52
*** pcfe has joined #maemo20:52
*** pcfe has quit IRC20:53
*** pcfe has joined #maemo20:53
*** pcfe has quit IRC20:53
*** pcfe has joined #maemo20:53
*** NeutrinoPower has quit IRC20:56
*** BigBoxDr_ has quit IRC21:00
*** BigBoxDriver has joined #maemo21:03
*** valerius has joined #maemo21:05
*** fasta has joined #maemo21:14
*** ZogG_laptop has quit IRC21:14
*** Darkchaos has quit IRC21:14
*** thopiekar has joined #maemo21:18
ludenshm so how come there is no xterm-256color terminfo file on the n90021:18
ludensand how can i get one?21:18
ludensncurses-base is installed and there are several other xterm terminfos21:19
*** hardaker has quit IRC21:21
MentalistTraceurludens: I'm not the most knowledgeable about this, but: What exactly are you trying to do?21:22
ludensim using emacs in console mode and it only supports 16 colors21:23
ludensbecause TERM is set to 'xterm'21:23
*** futpib has quit IRC21:23
ludenswhen i set TERM=xterm-256color emacs wont start, since it cant find that terminfo21:23
*** futpib has joined #maemo21:24
ludensi guess i should be able to simply pull such a terminfo file from a debian machine21:24
MentalistTraceurPossibly. To tell you the truth I only found out about terminfo last night when I was half-asleep and trying to compile irssi.21:25
ludensive had some trouble with it before when using screen21:26
*** at1as has joined #maemo21:28
*** valerius has quit IRC21:28
ludensit worked fine21:33
ludensjust copied it from /lib/terminfo/21:33
kerioludens: osso-xterm doesn't support 256color mode, fyi21:33
*** ZogG_laptop has joined #maemo21:34
*** ZogG_laptop has quit IRC21:34
*** ZogG_laptop has joined #maemo21:34
*** plwweasel_ has joined #maemo21:34
kerioludens: it's the ncurses-base package that's responsible for /etc/terminfo21:34
ludenskerio: sure it does21:34
ludensyeah and thats up to date but still i had no xterm-256color21:35
kerioludens: so... update it and ask cssu to push it21:35
ludenskerio: i tried running a perl script that outputs 256 colors and it looked perfect21:35
kerioin osso-xterm? :O21:36
ludensthat was before i had the terminfo file btw21:36
kerioneat, i didn't know21:36
ludensso i knew it could show 25621:36
ludensnow i just pulled the terminfo file from my debian squeeze box but im not sure thats a good file to use...?21:37
*** radic has joined #maemo21:39
*** BigBoxDriver has quit IRC21:43
*** lastaid_ has quit IRC21:45
*** valerius has joined #maemo21:46
kerioludens: try it and see :)21:47
*** pcfe has quit IRC21:47
*** valerius has quit IRC21:51
*** pcfe has joined #maemo21:53
*** pcfe has quit IRC21:53
*** pcfe has joined #maemo21:53
*** BigBoxDriver has joined #maemo21:55
*** plwweasel_ has quit IRC21:56
*** BigBoxDriver has quit IRC22:04
*** valerius has joined #maemo22:09
*** plwweasel_ has joined #maemo22:11
*** sid__ has joined #maemo22:12
*** sid__ is now known as larrythecow22:13
*** plwweasel_ has quit IRC22:15
*** Ethernin has joined #maemo22:15
*** calvaris has quit IRC22:18
*** lxp has joined #maemo22:18
*** Timo has quit IRC22:26
*** BigBoxDr_ has joined #maemo22:27
*** shanttu has quit IRC22:33
*** BigBoxDr_ has quit IRC22:41
*** BigBoxDr_ has joined #maemo22:47
*** plwweasel_ has joined #maemo22:48
*** etrunko has quit IRC22:49
*** thopiekar has quit IRC22:52
*** plwweasel_ has quit IRC22:52
*** markinfo has quit IRC22:56
*** lizardo has quit IRC22:58
*** BigBoxDr_ has quit IRC23:01
*** plwweasel_ has joined #maemo23:05
*** rm_work has quit IRC23:06
*** MartinK_N9__ has quit IRC23:06
ludenskerio: well it works for me but i wouldnt be able to correct the ssu just with that23:10
kerioludens: of course not23:11
keriograb the upstream ncurses23:11
kerioit's probably debian's23:11
ludensim not even sure it should be there23:11
*** plwweasel_ has quit IRC23:12
kerioludens: debian has the basic terminfo in ncurses-base23:14
kerioand has additional ones in ncurses-term23:14
*** markinfo has joined #maemo23:21
*** croppa has joined #maemo23:22
*** NeutrinoPower has joined #maemo23:23
*** hardaker has joined #maemo23:28
*** b3pc has quit IRC23:32
*** netkat has quit IRC23:32
*** b3pc has joined #maemo23:33
*** croppa has quit IRC23:34
*** croppa has joined #maemo23:37
*** netkat has joined #maemo23:45
*** florian has quit IRC23:52
*** pcfe has quit IRC23:59
*** pcfe has joined #maemo23:59
*** pcfe has quit IRC23:59
*** pcfe has joined #maemo23:59

Generated by 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at!