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trekkrepos are up again - nice job guys03:25
trekksome repo give hash mismatch though ?03:25
trekkis this a known issue or ?03:26
MentalistTraceurtrekk: I'm not sure what you mean by hash mismatch; if you're referring to the expired key issue, that is known. But I don't recognize the term off the top of my head.03:29
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MentalistTraceurAnyway, the person you want to thank specifically is warfare, as I understand it.03:30
MentalistTraceur(Not to be confused with warfaren, in this channel,03:31
MentalistTraceurwho I think is a different person)03:31
trekkno if i install a package i get the hash mismatch03:32
trekki deleted the apt list dir and reupdated03:32
trekkbut the same03:33
trekki.e telepathy-extras or telepathy-idle03:33
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trekkok bye03:48
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infobotDocScrutinizer06: thanks08:43
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ShadowXGood morning :)08:53
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DocScrutinizer05grrr, FW expired the 18h uptime it usually works semi-useful09:05
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DocScrutinizer05[notice]FW reboot pending. 18h uptime expired. Semi-frozen09:07
r00t|homeDocScrutinizer05: more like, exceeded?09:07
DocScrutinizer05or that09:08
DocScrutinizer05I meant "used up, no more left over of it"09:08
thedead1440yup seems like it got frozen 1-2mins back09:09
DocScrutinizer05Sa 2. Feb 06:57:51 CET 2013  real       0m18.894s09:09
DocScrutinizer05Sa 2. Feb 07:03:10 CET 2013  real       2m27.017s09:09
DocScrutinizer05Sa 2. Feb 07:10:37 CET 2013  real       0m16.212s09:09
DocScrutinizer05that's <now-1h>09:09
thedead1440Sat Feb  2 15:01:52 SGT 2013  real0m23.019s09:10
thedead1440Sat Feb  2 15:07:15 SGT 2013  real0m11.360s09:10
thedead1440that's 4mins back here :S09:10
DocScrutinizer05and FW got rebooted 1min back09:10
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DocScrutinizer05Broadcast message from root (pts/0) (Sat Feb  2 09:08:04 2013):09:11
DocScrutinizer05The system is going down for reboot NOW!09:11
DocScrutinizer05still not back09:13
thedead1440yikes down again?09:15
DocScrutinizer05seems it recovered, just took a 10min off time ;-P09:18
thedead1440yup back now09:19
thedead1440it needed a botsnack too :p09:19
DocScrutinizer05I'll give it a botkick in da A**e09:19
pwnguinout of curiousity, is this channel related to the hildon foundation?09:21
DocScrutinizer05root@MaemoFirewall:~ # uptime09:21
DocScrutinizer05 09:21:47 up 11 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.0309:21
DocScrutinizer05a LIIIEEE, LIIIEEEEE09:21
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damo22hmm guys i dont know what im doing wrong but my built in browser cant install cssu09:24
DocScrutinizer05Feb  2 09:08:15 MaemoFirewall syslog-ng[2381]: syslog-ng shutting down; version='2.0.10'09:24
DocScrutinizer05Feb  2 11:10:13 MaemoFirewall kernel: [    0.000000] Linux version (root@andrew) (gcc version 4.1.2 20070626 (Endian 4.1.2-14)) #1 SMP Wed Aug 109:24
DocScrutinizer05damo22: you probably need some patience since the original is still sloooow09:25
DocScrutinizer05pwnguin: well, kinda09:26
DocScrutinizer05pwnguin: ...since HiFo is realted to maemo09:26
DocScrutinizer05related even09:26
pwnguinim just confirming they're not a splinter group09:26
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: they aren't a splinter group :p09:27
DocScrutinizer05no, HiFo is maemo's official treasurer09:27
damo22what is supposed to come on the screen when the cssu installation starts?09:27
damo22i get a text window with config info about cssu repo09:27
DocScrutinizer05that sounds about right09:27
damo22so do i just wait and see what happens?09:28
DocScrutinizer05yes, as long as there's no error getting thrown in that window09:28
DocScrutinizer05with our current extremely slow repo it might take an hour or longer till stuff gets done09:29
pwnguinwhat's going on with the site?09:29
pwnguinfirewalls crashing, repos slow09:30
pwnguinexpiring keys09:30
DocScrutinizer05firewall is a POS09:30
DocScrutinizer05repo moved from a Akamai server farm with several hundred servers to a VM with a 50Mbit uplink09:31
DocScrutinizer05key expired since Nokia didn't take care to renew it in time09:31
pwnguinakamai server farm seems like overkill09:31
DocScrutinizer05well, the farm been overkill, what we now got is too weak09:32
RST38hDoc: What do you need the firewall for in the first place?09:32
DocScrutinizer05RST38h: I don't need it neither implemented it first place09:33
RST38hSo, why not remove it?09:33
DocScrutinizer05because rack's network config is outside our domain of administrative power09:33
damo22is it supposed to be stuck in a web browser with [install] catalogues=community-testing.... etc09:34
RST38hWhy not ask the administrator to disable the firewall?09:34
DocScrutinizer05the administrator already suggested we (they) might do exactly that09:34
DocScrutinizer05but that needs a grid-guy to create external IF on each VM09:35
DocScrutinizer05we started with repo09:35
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DocScrutinizer05which is already exposed09:35
damo22it seems to me that the .install script is not being detected as the right mime type and its just displaying the script in the web browser instead of executing it09:35
DocScrutinizer05damo22: that's bad. Which browser you're using?09:36
damo22the Web thing09:36
damo22built into nokia09:36
DocScrutinizer05should work09:36
damo22is there a way to add this thing as an apt repo  and do it from the command line?09:37
DocScrutinizer05damo22: sorry I'm not up to date and fluent on talking you through manual installation of cssu-s09:37
damo22i just want to know if its possible09:38
DocScrutinizer05yes, basically you can enter the info from the .install into HAMs catalogs settings under "new catalog"09:38
damo22i can work it out09:38
DocScrutinizer05then install the app in .install via apt-get and execute it09:38
damo22good shit09:39
DocScrutinizer05the .install is just a convenience shortcut for the former actions09:39
keriodamo22: fun stuff: it needs the exact name of the repo too09:41
keriodamo22: it's probably better if you download the .install and open it with file manager09:42
keriowell, it's not "need", but the enabler won't work right wrt repos, and you'll have to manually change them before doing the install09:42
kerioDocScrutinizer05: rmo throughput? still the same?09:43
ecc2ghardware question :anyone measured the current draw of an n900 while charging?   mine seems to only draw 400mA which seems low...09:45
DocScrutinizer05kerio: last figure from pre-boot:  23.8Mb09:45
DocScrutinizer05ecc2g: that is quite normal, depending on charge state of your LiIon battery09:46
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damo22i typed it in manually, looks like its doing something good09:46
DocScrutinizer05kerio: 28.5Mb09:47
ecc2gabout 25%... I was trying to figure out why the ac10u was 1200mA...09:47
DocScrutinizer05ecc2g: that's max load09:48
DocScrutinizer05LiIon charging in N900 follows a CCCV scheme though09:49
DocScrutinizer05which means that you will eventually taper off with current09:49
keriodamo22: yeah but the enabler is supposed to... nevermind, you're installing cssu stable right?09:50
DocScrutinizer05actually battery never will charge with 1200mA (except when e*_ tries it)09:50
damo22im putting on testing09:50
DocScrutinizer05and 5V is step-down transformed to the battery's 3.7 avr voltage, which also means you got lower current on 5V than on battery charge09:51
DocScrutinizer05damo22: I heard cssu-t has some problems with the expired key on Nokia's repos09:51
DocScrutinizer05better install cssu-s, you can 'upgrade' to cssu-t any time later09:52
kerionah, it really doesn't09:52
ecc2gduring bulkcharge phase it should draw max current, the taper should happen above 4v and around 80+% capacity...09:52
DocScrutinizer05basically yes09:53
kerioi mean, what are the missing packages?09:53
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keriowarfare: whenever you can, .install files have the wrong MIME, they shouldn't be text09:53
DocScrutinizer05kerio: I dunno. as already mentioned i'm not up to date and fluent with manual installation of CSSU09:53
DocScrutinizer05kerio: WTF happened to the mime types then?09:54
kerioit should be application/x-install-instructions09:54
kerioDocScrutinizer05: nginx happened :)09:54
ecc2g5v400mA is 2w, bl5j is 5wh, means 2.5h to charge at 100% efficiency...09:54
damo22ok im putting stable on09:54
DocScrutinizer05kerio: also, please consider warfare is our *sysiop*, not our repo/www maintainer09:54
damo22that mime thing sucked but i worked it out manually09:55
kerioDocScrutinizer05: who has write access to /etc/nginx.conf?09:55
DocScrutinizer05meh, that's warfare09:55
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keriotoldya :P09:56
DocScrutinizer05do you say .install is on repo.m.o?09:56
keriothat's why i said "whenever you have time"09:56
kerioDocScrutinizer05: they are, afaik09:56
DocScrutinizer05I'd like to bet against that09:56
DocScrutinizer05well, dunno09:57
DocScrutinizer05maybe they are09:57
* kerio wins the bet09:57
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infobotmethinks cssu is
ecc2gI tried hooking up to a bench supply, what bothered me a bit is that the n900 seems to present a near linear resistive load... which is not what a switching supply should look like...09:57
DocScrutinizer05you're right09:57
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kerioof course i am09:57
infobotsomebody said kerio was <DocScrutinizer05> kerio is right09:57
damo22its a bit of a shame because tomorrow i have a chance to convince my friend to get a n900 instead of an iphone, but if the repo is sloooow its not gonna be a good demonstration09:57
* infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :(09:58
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thedead1440damo22: if your friend needs a demo to choose the n900 over the iphone then he really should get the iphone09:58
DocScrutinizer05how about adding an entry to your N900 /etc/hosts? ;-P09:59
DocScrutinizer05(semi-serious suggestion, probably won't fly)10:00
pwnguindamo22: unless your friend is looking to buy a 3 year old iphone, that comparison might be worthwhile =(10:00
* kerio feels that extensive multitasking is still in favour of the n90010:01
pwnguini might have replaced my n900 with a galaxy nexus, and am slightly sad at the multitasking10:02
damo22i just swapped my iphone 4s for n90010:02
damo22well not literally, i still have both here im just trying to see if i can do everything i need on this10:03
DocScrutinizer05just that it's not a "first step2 but rather the last step of first of three hops10:03
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: just that it's not a "first step" but rather the last step of first of three hops10:03
keriodamo22: there's a compatibility layer to run angry birds10:04
kerioyou'll be fine10:04
damo22i never used angry birds10:04
damo22in my life10:04
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: since when does N900 need a compatibility layer to run angry birds?10:05
damo22i just want this phone because i like to be in control of my own computing10:05
damo22and i dont want someone telling me one day i cant make a phonecall because i havent downloaded 900Mb update10:05
DocScrutinizer05afaik AB been a native fremantle app, to start with. Only then got migrated to other platforms10:05
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: true its been available on fremantle since the first pr-release but i don't know if it was launched here first or on iOS10:06
damo22touchscreen seems to suck though10:06
damo22although i havent removed the film off the front yet10:06
DocScrutinizer05damo22: I always thought N900 touchscreen is the best I ever used - incl any crappy capacitive TS on those other phones10:07
DocScrutinizer05damo22: so yes, remove that film, might help a lot10:07
DocScrutinizer05be careful though, not to damage the digitizer10:08
DocScrutinizer05it can't stand neither punctures nor excessive pulling force10:08
damo22how do i uninstall cherry10:09
damo22is it supposed to be in the list somewhere?10:09
keriodamo22: it's not a user package10:09
kerioapt-get remove cherry10:09
kerioas root10:09
damo22apt-get pop cherry10:10
DocScrutinizer05after you installed cssu, otherwise you shouldn't accept what apt-get suggests ;-)10:10
DocScrutinizer05odds are it would uninstall ~70% of your system, on a stock fremantle OS10:11
kerioDocScrutinizer05: nah10:11
kerionothing depends *on* the metapackage10:11
DocScrutinizer05or you simply install notmynokia app10:11
kerioDocScrutinizer05: if you install nmn, remove cherry and remove nmn, you *have* cherry and no way to uninstall it10:12
DocScrutinizer05o.O ??10:12
damo22is it wise to update the official maemo stuff from nokia?10:13
DocScrutinizer05as in "system update"?10:13
DocScrutinizer05in HAM?10:13
damo22um, not sure if i have ham yet10:13
DocScrutinizer05you have HAM10:14
damo22ok well i got a funny ! icon10:14
DocScrutinizer05it's the default package manager of hildon10:14
damo22so i touched it and it said official nokia updates are available10:14
DocScrutinizer05yes, and a "system upgarde 2011.38.2" inside?10:14
damo22for maemo 510:14
DocScrutinizer05forget it10:14
DocScrutinizer05you're supposed to have PR1.3 flashed10:15
DocScrutinizer05this maemo5 update is for Pr1.3.110:15
DocScrutinizer05CSSU will ship that for you10:15
DocScrutinizer05so no, you don't need the 1.3.1 system upgrade10:16
DocScrutinizer05ignroe it10:16
damo22i need bash, sudo, and a few tools10:16
DocScrutinizer05sudo already there10:17
damo22busybox sucks balls10:17
DocScrutinizer05get the rest via apt-get10:17
infoboti heard jrtools is
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damo22rmo :  32B/s10:20
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DocScrutinizer05GRRR -> another staement about SR " will significantly increase battery life." without any evidence10:22
DocScrutinizer05damo22: this may change any moment, some connections see 300kBps10:22
DocScrutinizer05yours too, eventually10:22
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: kerio predicted your reaction to that page yesterday: 22:51  * kerio flees from doc's area-of-effect wrath10:24
kerioit was for the "kernel-power is recommended" thing10:24
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DocScrutinizer05yes, I know10:34
DocScrutinizer05I fought myself and won, to not rant on suggesting kernel-power in itself10:34
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DocScrutinizer05after all the page gives due credit to overclocking being deprecated10:35
DocScrutinizer05I still don't see why KP is beneficial for beginners, apart form the suggested SR power savings which never been tested in RL10:36
DocScrutinizer05and are deprecated by Nokia anyway, afaik10:36
DocScrutinizer05since iirc there's some hw instability in at least some devices, with SR10:37
DocScrutinizer05and after all SR is just a hw based way to do what fremantle stock kernel does in sw10:38
DocScrutinizer05so the supposed power savings of SR are questionable at least10:38
DocScrutinizer05undervolting is a completely unrelated topic. and not exactly recommended either. So what's the beginner's benefit in using PK?10:41
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: h-e-n :P10:43
DocScrutinizer05damo22: any progress?10:43
DocScrutinizer05kerio: for H-E-N you'll get advice which kernel to install10:43
DocScrutinizer05as soon as you install the H-E-N package10:43
keriohm, why doesn't it also provide modules for stock?10:49
DocScrutinizer05because USB is monolithic in stock kernel10:49
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keriobtw, rmo is sloooooooooooooow10:53
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DocScrutinizer05I knooooooooow10:55
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warfarekerio: I'll add the mime-type (although this should be in apache, as nginx is only the proxy for slow connections)11:09
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keriowarfare: maybe it should? i suppose that the migration changed the apache configuration and no one noticed the problem because... well, rmo was down11:10
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warfareI think so.11:11
warfareContent Type fixed.11:16
warfarecurl -vvI => Content-Type: application/x-install-instructions11:17
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keriowarfare: i might be repeating myself, but you da man11:18
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kerioinfobot: #maemo warfare is Falk Stern, master sysop, and also DA MAN11:21
infobotkerio: okay11:21
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DocScrutinizer05fasten seatbelts! warfare going to fire up the booster on repo ;:-D11:36
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keriobooster? :O11:42
DocScrutinizer05kerio: we have some heavy *writing* on HDD11:42
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keriowho? why?11:43
kerioit makes no sense, repo. is static right now11:43
warfareI'm installing iotop to look for the culprit.11:43
DocScrutinizer05my suspect11:46
kerioooh, that's a good one11:46
kerioi was going to suggest some excessive logging11:46
lufDocScrutinizer05: who keeps enabled atime? :D11:46
kerio...which is what atime is, pretty much11:46
DocScrutinizer05we already disabled logging, didn't change11:47
lufDocScrutinizer05: So let's try remount with noatime ;)11:47
lufDocScrutinizer05: why not?11:48
warfareI'm taking down apache for a second.11:49
DocScrutinizer05WUT? from 90+%wa to <10%11:51
DocScrutinizer05aah, apache been down11:52
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lufDocScrutinizer05: mount -o remount,noatime,nodiratime <mnt point> ?11:54
warfarealready done that.11:54
DocScrutinizer05sorry, /dev/xvda on / type ext3 (rw,noatime,nodiratime)11:54
kerionobarrier data=writeback!11:55
warfareI'm switching from nginx to varnish. nginx keeps swapping objects to disk11:56
keriowarfare: not lighttpd?11:57
DocScrutinizer05eeek, swapping11:57
kerioalso, can't we disable the swap?11:57
DocScrutinizer05anyway, wa gone done by ~30%11:57
warfarekerio: there is no swap (at least from the kernel side)11:58
warfarekerio: I am not familiar with lighttpd, so atm I stick to the tools I know :)11:58
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DocScrutinizer05or so I thought11:59
DocScrutinizer05(watch a professional at work. makes my day :-D )11:59
keriooh, it's the firewall that has swap, right12:00
DocScrutinizer05we're not looking at firewall now, since repo is exposed anyway12:01
kerioyes, yes12:01
DocScrutinizer05nevertheless FW has no swap either12:01
DocScrutinizer05actually I think swap doesn't make sense on low latency systems12:02
DocScrutinizer05autobuilder, ok. not on fileservers or firewalls though12:03
warfareShould be better now12:04
DocScrutinizer05Cpu(s):  1.1%us,  0.9%sy,  0.0%ni, 95.2%id,  0.1%wa,  0.0%hi,  1.4%si,  1.3%st12:05
DocScrutinizer05Mem:   2049296k total,  1966308k used,    82988k free,    12960k buffers12:05
warfareStill pushing ~26M but with no cpu load now.12:06
warfare~93% of all requests are served from the cache.12:06
infobotwarfare: okay12:06
DocScrutinizer05quite a difference12:06
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DocScrutinizer05~forget 93% of all requests12:07
infoboti forgot 93% of all requests, DocScrutinizer0512:07
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warfareOh, "~" is for the bot?12:07
DocScrutinizer05attention key12:07
infobotwarfare is, like, Falk Stern, master sysop, and also DA MAN12:07
DocScrutinizer05those 28Mbps uplink might be ISP's traffic shaping actually12:09
infobotkerio: thanks12:09
kerioDocScrutinizer05: well, now that we're not cpu limited...12:09
keriocan't we get nemein to give us more bandwidth?12:09
keriolike, if we ask pretty, pretty please :312:09
DocScrutinizer05we can try12:10
warfareI need some coffee.12:10
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DocScrutinizer05enjoy! :-D12:10
DocScrutinizer05 4957 root      20   0  693m 464m 3368 S    5 23.2   1:26.78 iftop                                                                                                       :-o12:13
RST38h464MB? Really?12:13
RST38hAnd we are not talking overcommit here?12:14
DocScrutinizer05not Really, rather RES12:14
DocScrutinizer05that's top12:14
DocScrutinizer05of top ;-)12:14
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DocScrutinizer05I'm inklined to give it a kill12:15
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DocScrutinizer05  PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S PU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND12:16
DocScrutinizer0511584 root      20   0  374m 143m 3476 S    4  7.2   0:23.79 iftop12:16
DocScrutinizer05 4957 root      20   0  693m 502m 3368 S    4 25.1   1:33.82 iftop12:16
DocScrutinizer0512182 root      20   0  309m  83m 3476 S    4  4.2   0:13.23 iftop12:16
DocScrutinizer0510033 nobody    20   0 10.6g 609m  27m S    1 30.5   0:19.18 varnishd12:16
keriowhy three?12:16
keriokill them with fire12:16
DocScrutinizer05we're two users there, i got one ;-)12:16
kerioor kill them with TERM12:16
DocScrutinizer05killed mine, which turned out to be the greedy one12:18
xeshumm ...bandwidth maniacs? :)12:19
DocScrutinizer05moo xes12:19
DocScrutinizer05xes: plaqying with repo12:19
xeshello there! ...sorry for the meeting, i returned at home after 21.00 :(12:20
DocScrutinizer05top porn:
xesthe last term for migration should be last day of february..or am i wrong?12:22
DocScrutinizer05for step 2 of 312:22
DocScrutinizer05which is xen-grid -> maemo iron12:22
keriocan varnish really push 26Mb/s with 3% cpu? :o12:22
DocScrutinizer05step 3: maemo iron -> Hetzner/osuosl12:23
kerioDocScrutinizer05: yay europe12:23
DocScrutinizer05step 3 still under evaluation12:23
DocScrutinizer05for that step3 we definitely need quite some sysop manpower12:24
DocScrutinizer05for step2 it's unclear yet how much of it will be done by Nemein12:25
warfarekerio: varnish can push around a gig with almost no cpu.12:25
xes..don't forget that for sure we/they(nemein) will need at least one week of test of the new irons before transfer vm..indipendently of the virt platform12:25
kerioDocScrutinizer05: important thing: keep the timestamps on rmo the same12:25
kerioso we don't get flooded to hell by all the n900s12:25
xeskerio: with a vm transfer all will remain the same12:26
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DocScrutinizer05:nod: again12:26
DocScrutinizer05that's why my plan says "keep the VM until end of step 3"12:27
DocScrutinizer05after step3 acomplished (whatever it might be), we can start consolidation to our liking12:27
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: with our iron, the "firewall" will be the hypervisor, right?12:30
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DocScrutinizer05unclear yet, my take on it is 2FW? what friggin FW?!"12:30
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: unclear yet, my take on it is "FW? what friggin FW?!"12:30
xesconcerning the firewall, the easy way would be to use a natted interface of the hypervisor... Easy and plain! ..In the future, some kind of fw with qos would be better12:34
DocScrutinizer05xes: I guess we could add that when need arises12:35
DocScrutinizer05(some kind of FW)12:35
xesDocScrutinizer05: for sure. The first need is to have all up and running12:35
DocScrutinizer05for now Nemein's plans are to get rid of that FW since it's a PITA12:35
DocScrutinizer05even in xengrid12:36
Estel_kerio, I use device with 200mhz and 16 RAM as my irc bouncer... It also shares my whole internet connection@home, servers as ssh and voip gateway, torrent client, and wireless access point :P12:37
kerioEstel_: power usage?12:37
Estel_I think it beats your shevaplug pretty hard, especially, that it costed ~30$, and it was 3 years ago12:38
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Estel_12V 100mA peak ;P12:38
keriowell, the dreamplug does have *two* gigabit ethernets and wifi12:38
Estel_or more than 312:38
Estel_but it cost order of magnitude more12:38
kerioabout half an order of magnitude :P12:38
Estel_anyway, it's wrt54gl linksys router, that I'm talking about, powered by openwrt12:39
DocScrutinizer05uplink steady at 27Mbps12:39
xesDocScrutinizer05: i think that endian is a good product, but not inside a vm. Too complicated to be managed by a team and ..almost impossible to debug in hours (rather than weeks), so f**k the fw12:39
* DocScrutinizer05 waves12:39
kerioEstel_: makes sense - i do have a wrt810n that acts as my router12:39
keriobut openwrt is flaky on it, and ddwrt is... eeh12:39
kerioworks, but not quite12:39
Estel_why flaky?12:39
Estel_try 2.4 kernel12:39
DocScrutinizer05xes: yep12:40
Estel_2.6 kernel on openwrt = mess, from my experience12:40
kerioer, 610n12:40
DocScrutinizer05holler if sh*t hits the fan, folks. I'm gone12:40
kerioDocScrutinizer05: it's ok, we've got a real sysadmin now >:D12:41
DocScrutinizer05root@MaemoFirewall:~ # uptime12:41
DocScrutinizer05 12:41:23 up  3:32,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.0012:41
Estel_kerio,  I don't know for never models, but wrt54gl is quite interesting, as it works exactly as well for 12V power supply godly way, as for 5V from either battery pack or usb12:41
DocScrutinizer05so another 15h left12:41
kerioEstel_: does openwrt have a web interface?12:42
DocScrutinizer05kerio: I never claimed to be any sysop12:42
Estel_pretty decent, if one want to use it (I do)12:42
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: out of curiosity - is FW stable now?12:42
DocScrutinizer05kerio: system architect and project leader here12:42
Estel_Lua scripted interface12:42
keriofreemangordon: well, it works12:42
freemangordonwith reboots?12:42
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: yes... for 18h12:42
kerioEstel_: i might just try it, i suppose12:42
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: nice12:43
freemangordonwith constant 25 MB load?12:43
Estel_kerio,  only drawback - as name suggest - it's G wifi standard12:43
DocScrutinizer05repo bypassing FW12:43
freemangordonaah, ok12:43
Estel_I don't see a problem, as I'm allergic to N12:43
freemangordonkerio: who loads RMO that badly? devices?12:44
sixwheeledbeastproblem logging in to package page?12:45
freemangordonkerio: or it is nokia farm?12:45
DocScrutinizer05problem logging in to maemo.org12:45
keriofreemangordon: 40k active n900s (with only extras active) end up being a download every two seconds, on average12:45
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DocScrutinizer05known but not assigned yet, it seems12:45
Estel_kerio, btw, yesterday, some funny technician tried to convince my parents, that their wrt54gl won't support more than 17 Mb/s network access12:45
freemangordonkerio: I know, that is why I ask12:46
Estel_kerio,  although no one seen those 40k devices yet ;)12:46
freemangordonso we are waiting server farm to stop torturing RMO?12:46
keriofreemangordon: there's no server farm anymore12:46
freemangordonbut why this lload then?12:46
DocScrutinizer05pooof, gone12:46
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: N90012:47
DocScrutinizer05so yes, *I* seen them12:47
Estel_~5000 unique IPs served?12:47
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freemangordonwhat? there is enough devices to do do constant 25 MBs?12:48
DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# awk '{print $1}' < /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer | sort | uniq | wc -l12:48
DocScrutinizer05that's for today12:48
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Estel_so we're close to 40k limit, it may end in few days12:48
* freemangordon heads to the coffee machine for another coffee :)12:48
warfareDocScrutinizer05: we are not logging anymore ;)12:49
Estel_unless it turns out to be 80k limit:P12:49
warfareDocScrutinizer05: Doesn't make sense, as most requests don't even hit the apache anymore.12:49
keriothe issue is that we don't actually know if the catalogue updates end or fail due to timeouts12:49
Estel_so, a shameless question - do we *know* (in terms of zhiterai *&nowing* ;) ) why it works so slow, or we only *suppose* reason?12:50
infobotEstel_ meant: so, a shameless question - do you *know* (in terms of zhiterai *&nowing* ;) ) why it works so slow, or we only *suppose* reason?12:50
freemangordonI am curious too12:50
warfareWe have 1533 established tcp connections to port 80.12:50
warfareDivide that by the available bandwidth.12:50
warfare(around 26mbit/s)12:51
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freemangordonwarfare: aah, so we lack network bandwith? ok, makes sense12:51
freemangordonhmm, does not make sense :)12:51
freemangordonKbs :)12:52
Estel_I was hungry and ate s12:52
Estel_well, in fact12:52
freemangordonbut why web iface is slow then?12:52
freemangordonaah, it is Mbs12:52
Estel_per head12:53
Estel_doesn't sound so slow, in practice it seems slower12:53
Estel_than that12:53
freemangordonnot that bad, esp for http12:53
kerioit's probably not equally-distributed12:53
Estel_well, in practice it feels like 17 bs12:53
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DocScrutinizer05warfare: thought as much when you mentioned that fronend thingie, varnish?12:54
warfareThats probably because of the ratelimiting nemein does. This drops some packets, so tcp retransmits them.12:54
* kerio shakes his fist at nemein12:54
Estel_shameless question 2: Given known circumstances and numbers, do you think there is a chancde for it to *ever* work as intended?12:55
Estel_or is it dead-man-loop, excuse the pun?12:55
kerioEstel_: we just need more bandwidth :)12:56
DocScrutinizer05Estel_: we're working on it12:56
keriothe VM is perfectly healthy, 90% idle12:56
Estel_more bandwidth doesn't fit in "known circumstances" as in "present limits we have"12:56
infobotEstel_ meant: more bandwidth doesn't fit in "known circumstances" as in "present limits you have"12:56
Estel_damn the habit12:56
warfareEstel_: _If_ we can get more bandwidth (preferably 100Mbit/s) varnish could easily saturate that. 90% of all requests ask for the same files.12:57
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Estel_warfare,  seems reasonable. do You (as in organization) have money for more bandwidth?12:57
keriowarfare: which files? extras Release, extras Packages.gz?12:57
warfarekerio: yes.12:58
warfareEstel_: I don't know about the monetary situation, but I will go looking for some sponsoring on monday.12:58
* Estel_ nods12:58
Estel_thanks for info... And good luck12:58
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keriocan't we ask Nemein for a temporary burst to 50mbps or something similar?13:01
kerioi bet that once all the active n900s properly update, they won't bug us as much13:01
kerioa HEAD is a lot faster than a GET for a 3mb file13:01
xeskerio: do you know how much 50mbps costs instead 20mbps?13:03
freemangordonBTW do we expect that activity to cease?13:04
freemangordonin short term that is13:04
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freemangordonoh, shit "3% [9 Packages 93261/3169kB 2%]                                 5763B/s 8min53s"13:06
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: my HAM update stalled at donno where, extrapolation gave me 90min ETA. 15min later it had finished13:10
* freemangordon is doing wget :)13:11
DocScrutinizer05might be all the same13:11
DocScrutinizer05connection badwidth per client isn't static13:11
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DocScrutinizer05I see connections with 300+kBps here13:12
DocScrutinizer05others with 5Bps13:12
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warfareTop is extras/Packages.gz, followed by extras/Packages, followed by extras-devel/Packages.gz13:13
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toprohi, just reactivated my n900 after not using it for about one year, I just started missing it ;) seems some of the old repos aren't up anymore. any recommendations what repo-list to use to get it up to date, please?13:14
keriowho the hell is downloading extras/Packages? :s13:14
toprokerio: could that be me?13:14
kerio...why do users start using the n900 again only when the repos are down? :S13:15
keriotopro: temporary problems caused by the migration from nokia-owned infrastructure to community-owned infrastructure13:15
toprocome on...13:15
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keriothe repository is working, is just sloooooooooow, but we're working on it13:15
kerioin the mean time13:15
toprook, i see. no problem. i'm patient ;)13:15
infoboti guess mirror is
damo22i am downloading the cssu-s stuff13:16 is easy to use, just add "" between http:// and repository.maemo.org13:16
kerioin your sources.list13:16
toprokerio: i just realized that the old repo list on my n900 contains a lot of stuff. is there a list with currently recommended repos to start over again?13:16
keriojust the two nokia repos, extras (or extras-devel if you're feeling brave), and a cssu repo if you installed cssu13:17
toprook, thanks13:18
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topromy repo list,
topro^^ anything that needs a change?13:22
kerioyou don't need both extras and extras-testing13:23
kerioapart from that, sounds good13:23
keriois this your hildon-application-manager.list?13:23
kerioit'll be overwritten by HAM whenever you launch it :)13:24
toproyes, it is. where to put infos then?13:24
kerioconfigure HAM13:24
kerioor disable every repo in HAM and copy that list in /etc/apt/sources.list13:25
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keriotopro: also, HAM is a bit weird, he'll not accept upgrades from mirrors of certain repos unless you disable a certain hidden setting13:28
keriobut that hidden setting may have UNFATHOMABLE CONSEQUENCES13:28
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damo22it might turn your n900 into a doorstop?13:29
toprook, tell me more...13:30
keriothere's surprisingly little that you can do in software to brick a n90013:30
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damo22then whats with the caps13:30
keriotopro: HAM has something it calls "domains", each with a certain trust level13:31
keriopackages in repos belong to a certain domain, and installed packages from those repos also belong in that domain13:31
kerioHAM will outright refuse to upgrade a package that comes from a domain with a certain trust level to a domain with a lower trust level13:31
keriorepositories are put in domains based on the key used to sign them, and based on some hidden configurations in HAM13:32
keriothose configurations also include the URL for the repo13:32
toprowhat about using FAM? any better, or even worse?13:32
kerioso any repo *you* create as a user will not be considered belonging in a domain different than the "untrusted" one13:32
infobotwell, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a bad package manager that causes problems, don't use it, ever13:32
toprook, i see. i've been away for too long ;)13:33
keriobut considering that the nokia repos right now have 0 trust because their key is expired... i feel that there's very little you can do except disable that check in HAM13:33
kerioenter redpill mode, go to settings, and untick "ignore packages from wrong domains"13:33
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keriothat will let HAM know that you won't be ok with its bullshit13:34
toprocan't find this setting, is it a HAM setting or somewhere in system settings?13:34
kerioit's a HAM setting, but it's hidden13:34
toprothe I missed the red pill I think13:34
toproah, ill see13:34
toprohmm, "There is currently no text in this page...."13:35
keriooh, sorry13:35
keriofscking case sensitiveness13:35
DocScrutinizer05kerio: I'm honestly concerned about your health! :-o  Where's gone all your usual trolling? ;-D13:37
toproi don't even have that configuration file /home/user/.osso/hildon-application-manager13:37
DocScrutinizer05nah, that's hardly possible13:37
DocScrutinizer05if there's actually no such file, create it13:38
DocScrutinizer05  <- /home/user/.osso/hildon-application-manager13:40
DocScrutinizer05*my* /home/user/.osso/hildon-application-manager13:40
toprodoc: thanks13:41
DocScrutinizer05kerio always claims red pill mode never really vanished from HAM. I'm not all that sure about it13:42
DocScrutinizer05you'll learn if it works when (or when not) there are new settings showing up in HAM menu13:43
toproeven with red piull mode I see no settings in HAM at all. I maus be blind13:43
toprojust catalogs and protocol13:43
DocScrutinizer05killall hildon-application-manager13:44
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DocScrutinizer05recheck /home/user/.osso/hildon-application-manager13:44
DocScrutinizer05it might get overwritten by HAM, on quitting13:44
toprook, i'll do. just have to leave for the moment. thanks a lot. bb13:44
* DocScrutinizer05 suggests to install cssu HAM, it seen several fixes13:45
DocScrutinizer05and should work even on stock fremantle13:46
* DocScrutinizer05 pokes kerio13:46
kerioDocScrutinizer05: i swear it never disappeared13:47
keriobut i might be wrong13:47
kerioi seldom used stock :)13:47
keriothe settings menu is on the top level of HAM iirc13:47
keriothe matrix way to temporarily enable it was gone at some point13:48
kerioDocScrutinizer05: i've got a cloak and everything, i can't troll like this :(13:48
DocScrutinizer05aaaaw ;-P13:49
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: *iirc* they removed the matrix style redpill enabler at one point in time, but later on removed redpill mode completely. I could be wrong as well13:50
M4rtinKdo I have CSSU HAM when I have CSSU stable installed ?13:51
DocScrutinizer05kerio: anyway, cssu HAM should install on stock fremantle cleanly, no? via dpkg13:51
DocScrutinizer05M4rtinK: yes13:51
M4rtinKas I don't see any settings button in the toplevel app-menu13:51
DocScrutinizer05M4rtinK: you still need enable redpill mode13:52
DocScrutinizer05though in CSSU HAM even the matrix easteregg GUI hack works afaik13:52
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MrPinguDocScrutinizer05: Confirmed13:54
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: apt, too :)14:09
xesfreemangordon: does the maemo's apt has support for http redirects?14:09
DocScrutinizer05xes: the question more is: does HAM support that feature of apt?14:10
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freemangordonxes: no idea14:18
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xes:( in apt maemo13 no http redirects support ..14:26
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Paliping lxp114:41
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DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: could you please disable mirroring of repo.m.o? thanks14:51
DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: (I mean actually syncing)14:51
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DocScrutinizer05teotwaki: ... temporarily ...14:53
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xespali: is lxp1 the mantainer of apt pkg?   ..http redirect is present(but disabled) in x-apt, for now, road closed15:13
Palixes, no lxp1 wrote packet injection wl1251 driver patch15:14
Palixes, look here: there is fremantle apt git tree15:15
Palixes, if you want to patch apt, use this version ^^15:15
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xesPali: ok15:20
Palixes, that version in maemo-pkg "master" branch is harmattan version15:20
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kerioxes: patch apt for what?15:40
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keriooh, something like
xeskerio: i was looking if maemo's apt has alread the support for http redirects15:44
kerioby the way, couldn't we use coralcdn for rmo?15:45
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DocScrutinizer05on monday warfare will check some cdn options15:49
kerioanyway, rmo doesn't work at all for me right now15:50
DocScrutinizer05seems a quarter of connections has >200kBps15:51
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DocScrutinizer05so i'd attribute it to bad luck for you15:52
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders when teotwaki will notice the request to stop hammering rmo15:52
xesmy opinion is that during a migration we should apply only minimum changes to all the domain. There are already enough variables to check15:53
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Palipower management problem with packet injection wl1251 driver is solved... problem is in maemo wlancond/wl1251-cal/icd2. when driver is loaded something set link up which consume lot of power16:00
Palibut when non packet injection driver is loaded, link is down16:00
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Palisimple solution is to open wifi network dialog, wait until it show some networks and then close it16:00
Paliicd2/wlancond then put interface down16:01
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Pali(or another, call ifconfig wlan0 down after loading packet injection driver)16:01
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DocScrutinizer05xes: was your comment re cdn?16:06
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xesDocScrutinizer05: yes16:07
DocScrutinizer05Pali: nice find16:07
DocScrutinizer05xes: so, we already changed that particular details, *away* from "cdn"16:07
PaliDocScrutinizer05, I'm going to use only packet injection driver which is in kp for testing16:08
DocScrutinizer05going back to cdn based repo hosting was a step back to old config16:08
Palinow when power problem was fixed, it is possible to have it loaded instead old maemo driver16:08
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: when we can implement that workaround of yours as a proper fix, then yes16:09
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, I have script which loading packet injection driver16:09
Paliand I added ifconfig wlan0 down16:09
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DocScrutinizer05well, that's fixing the issue once. Doesn't same problem return later on, when you use those drivers for daily usage?16:14
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, I'm going to test it16:14
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Paliseems that wifi dialog window doing some link up & link down16:15
freemangordonPali: ask jonwil to RE it, so we can fix it16:16
Palifreemangordon, why to RE?16:16
jonwilwhich dialog needs to be reverse engineered?16:16
PaliI think wifi dialog is working ok16:16
Paliproblem is when you are switching drivers16:16
freemangordonPali: seems I misunderstood what the problem is then16:16
Palifreemangordon, when packet injection driver is loaded, then n900 start consume lot of power16:17
Palieasy fix is to open wifi dialog, wait some seconds and close it16:17
Palior open xterm and call ifconfig wlan0 down16:17
jonwilok, so is there anything to reverse engineer or not? :)16:18
Palijonwil not :-)16:18
freemangordonPali: I see16:18
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jacekowskiany of you on fosdem this year?16:21
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topro_is it ok for you if i use during migration. or does that do any harm to the migration process. that way i can go the blue-pill way despite being sloooow ;)16:24
keriotopro_: it's probably not ok for you16:25
keriormo doesn't work at all for me16:25
keriounless it's all you jerks stealing my bandwidth16:26
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keriooh nvm, you've already seen it16:34
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DocScrutinizer05topro_: go ahead, see if it works for you16:36
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DocScrutinizer05for you folks too:16:37
DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# grep 'Debian APT-HTTP' /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer|wc -l16:37
DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# grep -v 'Debian APT-HTTP' /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer|wc -l16:38
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keriogoddammit mirrors16:38
keriomerlin1991: have you stopped your mirroring?16:39
DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# grep "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer|wc -l16:39
DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer|wc -l16:39
topro_kerio doc: well it works.... 1 - 200 bytes per sec. about as fast as by 2g conn so ok ;)16:39
kerioDocScrutinizer05: damn, so many n900s without cssu :(16:40
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merlin1991kerio: nope, but my mirror is in sync, so it's not doing anything apart from dl the Release file (which is 4kb)16:41
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DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# grep  "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|wc -l16:44
DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# grep  "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|wc -l16:44
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DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# grep  "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|wc -l16:45
keriohold on, three versions?16:45
DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# grep  "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|wc -l16:46
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DocScrutinizer05mo13.2)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.6maemo3)"|wc -l16:46
keriowhat's the cssu apt?16:47
merlin1991we didn't thinker with that16:47
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merlin1991so should be same as pr 1.316:47
lufIt's terrible slow to download anything from :(16:47
DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# grep  "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.6maemo3)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|wc -l16:47
merlin1991kerio: lemme rephrase we only enabled the the hidden stuff16:48
merlin1991we didn't tuch the user agent16:49
DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# grep  "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.6maemo3)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|less16:49
DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# grep  "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.6maemo3)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|wc -l16:49
DocScrutinizer05oops sorry16:49
merlin1991kerio: that's the whole changeset applied:
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ludenshm whats the easiest way for me to install 'make' on my n90016:50
ludensi think i need to compile org-mode myself16:50
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merlin1991ludens: find a guide on installing the sdk in a chroot16:51
merlin1991it's a baaaad idea to enable the sdk repo and just install the packages16:51
merlin1991(rootfs will fill in seconds)16:51
RzRfosdem meeting now16:52
ludensmerlin1991: yeah i was thinking i shouldnt need that many packages...16:52
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DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# grep  "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.6maemo3)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.316:53
ludensbut hm yeah i guess id need a bunch of stuff :/16:53
DocScrutinizer05(0.7.6maemo2)"|wc -l16:53
DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# grep  "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.6maemo3)"|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 ("|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.316:53
DocScrutinizer05(0.7.6maemo2)"|grep '[0-9]maemo'|wc -l16:53
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DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# grep "0cssu" /var/log/varnish/varnishncsa.log|wc -l16:59
DocScrutinizer05root@stage:~# wc -l /var/log/varnish/varnishncsa.log16:59
DocScrutinizer05370952 /var/log/varnish/varnishncsa.log16:59
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: it's to be expected i suppose, cssu users were probably aware of the downtime and switched to mirrors17:02
DocScrutinizer05only means cssu users don't hammer repo with useless update requests17:02
keriospeak for yourself, i hammer like crazy17:02
ludenshm is it possible that someone has compiled org-mode lately and made a .deb?17:02
ludensthen itd be avilable in the repos i suppose17:03
DocScrutinizer05not necessarily17:03
ludensso... i need to make a chroot17:03
DocScrutinizer05you're supposed to use scratchbox17:04
DocScrutinizer05on a proper PC17:04
ludenshumm whats that?17:04
kerioinstalling scratchbox is a ridiculous process17:04
ludensaha ok17:04
keriouse the vm17:04
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kerioludens: the vm image here17:05
keriothe giant one17:06
ludensalright can i just run that in qemu?17:06
kerioit's a vmware vm, but it runs fine with the usual ubuntu settings in virtualbox17:06
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: is it irresponsible to use skeiron to download the vm image?17:08
kerioit's like 1.5gb17:08
ludensand then i will need to create a .deb to install the binary on my n900?17:08
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kerioludens: chances are, you'll just have to get the debian tarball and compile it17:08
keriowith dpkg-buildpackage17:09
ludenshm oh17:09
DocScrutinizer05kerio: seems last month you guys used 8% of traffic limit on skeiron17:10
DocScrutinizer05there's some headroom still ;-)17:10
lufBTW I reflash and now I see no updates (I'm on version 20.2010.36-2). I think there is 38 at least ...17:10
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kerioluf: there's 2011.3817:11
keriofrom nokia17:11
keriobut HAM is a jerk17:12
lufkerio: Tell it to the HAM ;)17:12
keriono, it's a known thing17:12
kerioit won't let you update because of the key thing17:12
kerioenter redpill mode and disable "ignore packages from wrong domains"17:12
DocScrutinizer05nokia dropped the ball17:12
kerionokia also dropped the bass17:13
kerioluf: "red-pill 1" "red-pill-permanent 1" in ~user/.osso/hildon-application-manager17:14
keriotwo lines17:14
keriothen access the settings menu17:14
kerioinfobot: #maemo redpill is
infobotkerio: okay17:14
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys redpill17:14
infobotFactoid search of 'redpill' by key (1): #maemo redpill.17:14
DocScrutinizer05~listvalues  Red_Pill_mode17:15
infobotFactoid search of 'Red_Pill_mode' by value returned no results.17:15
infobotFactoid search of '' by value returned no results.17:16
lufkerio: thanks you're faster than google :D17:16
infobotredpill is, like,
lufDocScrutinizer05: thanks.17:16
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ludenshm "Recent Emacs distributions include a packaging system which lets you install Elisp libraries. You can install Org with M-x package-install RET org." i wonder if that would work for me?17:17
kerioludens: try it17:17
DocScrutinizer05~listvalues wiki.maemo.org17:17
infobotFactoid search of '' by value (18 of 76): #maemo closed ;; #maemo closed_packages ;; #maemo power ;; #maemo redpill ;; becomeroot ;; bluetooth-pan ;; bme ;; broken-maemo ;; extras ;; extras-product ;; extras-upload ;; extras-uploading ;; flash-partitioning ;; free ;; jrtools ;; maemo-flashing ;; maemo-qt ;; mafw.17:17
infobotFactoid search of '' by value (18 of 76): #maemo power ;; accelerometer ;; bluetooth-pan ;; bluetooth-profiles ;; boot-from-sd ;; boot-sd ;; broken-maemo ;; categories ;; cssu ;; ctl-sh-p ;; extras-devel ;; extras-upload ;; flasher ;; hildon-extras ;; jebbadbus ;; jrxchat ;; maemosdk ;; n900-power.17:17
infobotFactoid search of '' by value (2): #maemo redpill ;; red-pill.17:17
kerioinfobot: what the hell man17:18
infobotTem and Tain are the man.17:18
DocScrutinizer05~factinfo red-pill17:18
infobotred-pill -- created by GeneralAntilles <> at Wed Nov 19 18:27:28 2008 (1535 days); it has been requested 4 times, last by Stskeeps at Thu Feb  5 01:44:00 2009.17:18
ludenskerio: def will. would be a lot easier17:18
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infobotextra, extra, read all about it, red-pill is
kerioinfobot: no, red-pill is <reply>see redpill17:18
infobotkerio: okay17:18
kerioit's all part of my plan to slowly gain ownership of all the factoids17:19
DocScrutinizer05kerio: that's definitely rude17:19
kerioDocScrutinizer05: https? really?17:19
DocScrutinizer05ooh, k17:19
kerioonce i have the copyright on all the factoids, i'll charge 19.99$/month to access them17:19
DocScrutinizer05nfc why some guys use https with wiki. Pali as well17:20
Palipassword login protection?17:21
Palihttps everywhere?17:21
* DocScrutinizer05 redirects all pages to "this is not your bank account!"17:21
Palifix your browser17:21
Palithis is bug in your brower17:21
kerioPali: it's not even fully encrypted anyway17:22
kerioi can do a MITM through static.maemo.org17:22
Palihttps has at least same protection as http17:22
Paliso why to not use https?17:22
DocScrutinizer05and at least *some* overhead on serverside17:22
Paliif there is problem on server, turn https off17:23
DocScrutinizer05I'm tempted ;-P17:23
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Skrythe fuck17:23
keriosup, Skry17:24
lufSmall trouble with redpill ... I have no .osso/h-a-m file and when I created I lost all repositories ...17:24
kerioyou're lying17:25
kerioanyway, close ham17:25
keriowait for apt-worker to stop dicking around17:25
keriothen create that file with the two lines17:25
keriosometimes HAM decides to not show any catalogue17:25
lufI hate HAM17:26
lufFucking sometimes ...17:26
Paliluf, you need to wait until apt-worker will parse all lists files17:26
Palialso when you start new HAM instance before apt-worker from old instance exited you have problem...17:27
lufPali: it didn't try to parse ...17:27
lufBut now it's ok.17:27
lufPali: maybe I was too fast :(17:27
kerioluf: there should be a Settings menu on the toplevel17:27
Paliluf, when you start HAM it spawn apt-worked and it parsing all packages from repositories17:27
Palithis take about 2-10 minutes on my n900 :-(17:28
DocScrutinizer05luf: it's hard to *not* be too fast for HAM17:28
Paliwhen you install/uninstall/update any package HAM again reparsing packages17:28
Paliand again it took lot of time17:28
lufPali: I know about that too long. But I can't understand why it starts when another apt-worked is running.17:29
DocScrutinizer05if HAM doesn't work, you're too fast. Waaaaaait!17:29
Paliluf, HAM spawning apt-worker with 4 names pipes on /tmp/17:29
Paliafter apt worker is spawned files are removed17:29
Paliso any new application cannot connect to apt-worker17:30
lufPali: ok so HAM should report the error in that case.17:30
Paliyes should17:30
DocScrutinizer05apt-get does ;-P17:30
PaliI already implemented some code in CSSU HAM which tell apt-worked to immediately quit when turning HAM off17:31
DocScrutinizer05and I still wonder if that's a good idea17:31
PaliDocScrutinizer05, I implemented only new command via pipe protocol17:32
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Paliso if apt-worker does not wait for something from pipe, it does not know that HAM was exited17:32
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DocScrutinizer05well, as long as apt-worker has no filehandles on modify/write17:33
Palionly this was implemented ^^17:34
DocScrutinizer05I'd just hate apt-worker corrupting my files17:34
lufEven with redpill I see no ssu update :(17:35
Palifirst patch checking for cancel command in operation "parse packages" --> this is only read only operation17:35
kerioluf: do you see the settings menu?17:35
DocScrutinizer05you need to config it17:35
Palisecond patch adding new command quit, so HAM can tell apt-worked to quit, when apt-worked doing nothing17:36
lufYes I unset wrong domains.17:36
kerioluf: are you *sure*17:36
lufI'm trying it once again.17:36
kerioi'd do another refresh17:36
lufkerio: sure. I checked it.17:36
lufYes. I restarted HAM once again and I'm waiting now.17:37
DocScrutinizer05waiting is good for you ;-)17:37
lufI see more now.17:38
lufDocScrutinizer05: trust me. It's not good for me :D17:38
topro_ok, giving up. rmo is really broken17:39
topro_going red-pill as suggested17:40
luftopro_: it's the only way :(17:40
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kerioluf: =D17:43
kerioDocScrutinizer05: couldn't we configure skeiron or maemo-archive to offer the appropriate paths when asked for
kerioso you could change /etc/hosts and HAM would be happy17:43
lufCan't some CDN sponsore maemo?17:43
kerioluf: coralcdn is free anyway17:44
lufI think that repos should be cached there ...17:44
DocScrutinizer05kerio: already duely noted by brkn17:45
lufBTW update Maemo 5 -> It's not from Nokia do you want to continue? :D :D :D17:45
topro_hmm, i get hash sums mismatch on one file when using the suggested mirror17:45
DocScrutinizer05(cdn) yes, warfare will check our options on monday17:46
* DocScrutinizer05 enters parrot mode17:46
lufDocScrutinizer05: great ...17:46
kerioDocScrutinizer05: are we paying warfare?17:46
keriothen let's make him work on sunday too! :D17:47
DocScrutinizer05we never could afford such a wizard17:47
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kerioovertime pay is 1.5 or 2 times the usual rate, isn't it17:47
ludenswow the ELPA is prett amazing. compiled the latest org-mode build inside emacs17:48
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eddybis there any way I can get the cmt-firmware-rx51 .deb file or the /boot/cmtImage-10w08 file?17:49
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kerioeddyb: it's in the nokia ssu repo17:50
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kerioeddyb: you'll need the user/pass that are stored in /etc/apt/auth17:51
kerio...or maybe you could look in some mirrors17:51
keriobut nobody told you that17:51
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eddybkerio: how can I use the device to download the .deb file?17:51
kerioeddyb: isn't it already installed?17:52
keriooh, it's one of those "install, flash and remove"17:52
eddybthe file in /boot is missing17:52
kerioit's supposed to be missing17:52
kerioit's flashed17:52
eddybyeah, that's why I want to get the .deb file17:53
kerioeddyb: sudo apt-get install --reinstall --download-only cmt-firmware-rx5117:53
eddybheh thanks :D17:53
kerioand then grab the .deb from /var/cache/apt/archives/17:53
eddybthat's exactly what I was looking for17:53
eddybalso, do you happen to know if anyone tried reverse engineering that image?17:53
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DocScrutinizer05do you have datasheets of BB5?17:54
DocScrutinizer05and even if you had, you can't flash patched or altered images to cmt/BB517:55
DocScrutinizer05which renders all RE kinda useless academic effort17:55
DocScrutinizer05unless you're actually just hunting for info/knowledge17:56
Paliisnt cmt image signed?17:56
eddybDocScrutinizer05: I'm mostly curious17:56
DocScrutinizer05that's why17:56
Paliwith downgrade protection too?17:56
DocScrutinizer05ask jacekowski then17:56
DocScrutinizer05Pali: iirc yes17:56
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: until we find a bug in the signature verification :)17:57
kerioor some kind of attack vector17:57
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eddybsigned as in public/private key-pair, and the private key is in a buried 10m thick steel safe, somewhere in Finland :D?17:58
DocScrutinizer05we had that issue with leaked PR1.2-asia which updated cmt and downgrading the rootfs created an incompatibility17:58
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kerioeddyb: maybe17:58
DocScrutinizer05not maybe, exactly17:58
kerioDocScrutinizer05: we don't actually know if it's nokia that holds the private key17:58
keriounless we know that because they're required to by some regulations17:59
DocScrutinizer05err, yes we do17:59
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keriomaybe it was subcontractors!17:59
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DocScrutinizer05since the guys were able to create updates17:59
Pali-rw-r--r-- root/root   6567893 2010-03-02 11:10 ./boot/cmtImage-10w0817:59
DocScrutinizer05sounds pretty small18:00
PaliRE not possible...18:00
DocScrutinizer05it's probably only the filesystem with a few configs18:00
eddybI remember looking at the wiki, why is there no actual info on the GSM/3G hardware stuff?18:01
Paliin that firmware?18:01
DocScrutinizer05eddyb: you didn't find it18:02
Pali/boot/cmtImage-10w08 is FIASCO image18:02
eddybDocScrutinizer05: I blame google trying to be a smartass18:02
DocScrutinizer05amazingly small18:02
Palicontains parts: cmt-2nd cmt-algo cmt-mcusw18:02
Palicmt-2nd, version BB5_09.36, size 81408 bytes18:03
topro_ still get hash mismatch when using mirror extras repo18:03
Palicmt-algo,  version BB5_09.36, size 519808 bytes18:03
eddybDocScrutinizer05: this?
DocScrutinizer05that's basically BB5's NOLO18:03
Palicmt-mcusw, version rx51_ICPR82_10w08, size 5966464 bytes18:04
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, why there are 3 parts of cmt firmware?18:04
DocScrutinizer05that might be an extremely downsized radio stack18:04
DocScrutinizer05Pali: I already told you what's 2nd and algo18:06
Palibut why are separated files?18:06
DocScrutinizer05mcusw is probably MicroControllerUnit18:06
DocScrutinizer05because that are separate cpu cores18:07
DocScrutinizer05Pali: BB5 has an ARM, a DSP, and some auxiliary MCU cores18:08
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eddybDocScrutinizer05: I'm only seeing "Aura - Vapaus, ... Cellphone components."18:08
DocScrutinizer05what are you looking for?18:09
eddybyour description of BB5 sounds promising, but that's about it18:09
DocScrutinizer05there IS NO datasheet about BB518:10
eddybDocScrutinizer05: except I have no clue what Rapuyama means/is18:10
DocScrutinizer05rapuyama == BB518:10
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DocScrutinizer05== cmt18:10
eddybsee, if you hadn't told me that, there was no way to find out from the wiki, at least in the places I've looked18:11
eddyb this looks like a complete SoC18:11
eddyblike it was designed to be the only SoC in a phone or something18:12
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eddybso, uhm, the firmware has ARM code?18:13
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kerioeddyb: yep, it's designed to be the SoC for a dumbphone18:13
DocScrutinizer05eddyb: yes, that page is about what you can find regarding BB5 internals18:14
keriothe n900 is not a phone, it's a computer with an embedded phone :D18:14
* infobot starts crying and hides from kerio in the darkest corner of the room. :(18:14
eddybDocScrutinizer05: yeah, I read that page, and the only interesting info there is "V ICPR82_10w08"18:15
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PaliICPR82_10w08 is version of rx51 cmt-mcusw image18:21
DocScrutinizer05eddyb: you can find specs of ISI interface to BB5. Everything else is mostly useless since you neither can reasonably disassemble nor patch and flash18:23
eddybwhy can't I disassemble?18:23
eddybis the image compressed/encrypted?18:23
eddybalso, where is signature verification done? resident firmware in that SoC?18:23
DocScrutinizer05you can, but what's the use of seeing things like "move 0xFF43 to reg 167" ?18:24
DocScrutinizer05you seen that block schematics on gsmrapid? you noticed the block labeled "security"?18:24
eddyband you can learn a lot of things from register writes18:25
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DocScrutinizer05also ask freemangordon about general ARM security concept18:25
eddybwho would bother to obfuscate hardware accesses?18:25
eddybs/writes/writes and/or reads/18:26
DocScrutinizer05sorry, I'm EE and that starts boring me18:26
DocScrutinizer05you don't learn *anything* if you don't know the hw you're talking to18:26
eddybUART read/write routines are somewhat easy to spot18:27
eddybDocScrutinizer05: you assume opaque code18:27
eddybbut code is written by humans, and only slightly modified by machines18:28
DocScrutinizer05and what are you assuming? comments?18:28
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eddybI am assuming I will continue working on my decompiler18:28
DocScrutinizer05you have NFC how the custom DSP in rapu works18:28
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DocScrutinizer05so UART might actually be the only code you're able to decifer18:29
DocScrutinizer05MIPI-HSI already you're lacking proper datasheets for18:30
DocScrutinizer05and on radio stack you're utterly lost18:31
DocScrutinizer05maybe you could tackle the GPS chip control18:32
DocScrutinizer05*might* be feasible18:32
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* DocScrutinizer05 never gets the catch why people are interested in RE of a complex radio stack like in BB5. When they could start googling for osmocom18:34
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, so bb5 is arm soc chip?18:34
Paliintegrated into n900?18:35
Paliand omap soc can communicate with bb5 via SSI?18:36
eddybso my archiver opened the firmware as text, so I took a quick look18:36
eddybMax RLC window size: %d receiving window size: %d, configurationOK: FALSE18:36
DocScrutinizer05McBSP but yeah18:36
eddybSimultaneous reception of SCCPCH and DPCH is not supported - configurationOK: FALSE18:36
eddybtalk about comments, hehe18:36
eddybBMC info trace (RRC) : Output bit set - repetition of requested message18:36
Palicmt-mcusw_rx51_ICPR82_10w08 image is ARM code?18:37
Palithere is some header Elf2flash 08.37.00118:37
DocScrutinizer05now excite me an dpretend you can RE a whole WCDMA/GSM radio stack with those diagnostic output strings18:37
Palithere is also header PRIMAPP and PAPUBKEYS18:38
Paliwhich is X-Loader format certificate18:38
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Paliwith signature18:38
eddybDocScrutinizer05: nah, but it helps to have a ton of debug strings left in :P18:38
DocScrutinizer05it's a standard ARM system, so what?18:38
DocScrutinizer05of course it's using X-Loader18:39
PaliDocScrutinizer05, there is still no exploit for omap HS devices?18:40
DocScrutinizer05no, not afaik18:40
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DocScrutinizer05the security guys did a decent job18:40
DocScrutinizer05btw BB6 most likely isn't omap18:40
DocScrutinizer05it's ARM BB5, not ARM OMAP18:41
PaliI did not belive that nokia did decent job - wrote bootloader X-loader & NOLO without security errors18:41
Paliwe can see lot of problems in maemo and harmattan...18:42
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DocScrutinizer05ROMBL and probably even x-loader isn't written by Nokia18:43
eddybPali: you're using 0xFFFF for unpack that image, right? I see you own the gitorious repo18:43
DocScrutinizer05even NOLO is a perverted uBoot18:43
Palieddyb, yes18:44
PaliDocScrutinizer05, NOLO is not uBoot18:44
Palithere is noting common in binary18:44
Paliand it is Nokia X-Loader18:44
* DocScrutinizer05 is searching an empty spot on his wall full of of tally charts, to add another scratch for another useless "we wanna RE the GSM radiostack" discussion18:45
DocScrutinizer05Pali: (nothing common) you bet there's othing, otherwise my friend Harald would come onto them. That's why I said "*perverted* uBoot"18:47
DocScrutinizer05and x-loader code is always based on that refernce implementation by TI(?)18:48
DocScrutinizer05or even ARM18:48
Palireference implementation by TI?18:48
Paliso this could be something closed...18:49
PaliI did not see it yet18:49
DocScrutinizer05it's maybe not exactly open source18:50
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DocScrutinizer05but all chip manufs get it and hand it to their customers18:50
DocScrutinizer05it's probably hardly ever changed much18:51
DocScrutinizer05ask jacekowski18:51
PaliDocScrutinizer05, is NOLO doing someting with cmt?18:51
Paliping jacekowski18:51
PaliI'm thinking if will replace NOLO with uboot if cellular modem will be working or not18:52
DocScrutinizer05Pali: the proper syntax is: >> <nickname>: ping18:52
Paliif kernel/userspace has enought code to start up and configure it18:53
Palijacekowski: ping18:53
DocScrutinizer05Pali: it probably will just delay cmt bootup18:53
DocScrutinizer05usually in uBoot/Nolo and userland/kernel initialization gets duplicated18:54
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DocScrutinizer05I'd be surprised if not already NOLO would power up cmt18:55
DocScrutinizer05and set up the interfaces to it18:55
PaliDocScrutinizer05, in nolo console there is command for cmt bootup18:55
DocScrutinizer05yep, thought as much18:55
Paliso this is reason why I asked if it will be possible18:56
eddybthat's fun, file names18:56
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DocScrutinizer05so what's fun in that?18:56
DocScrutinizer05you want proper coredumps at least18:56
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DocScrutinizer05~wiki osmocom18:59
infobotI couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves:
DocScrutinizer05hmm thought as much18:59
DocScrutinizer05~wiki osmocombb18:59
infobotAt (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{cleanup|date=May 2012 | reason = grammar}} {{Refimprove|date=May 2012}} {{Infobox Software | Logo = | Screenshot = | Beschreibung = | Maintainer = | Hersteller = | AktuelleVersion = | AktuelleVersionFreigabeDatum = | Betriebssystem = | Written in = C | Kategorie = | Lizenz = GPL (Free software) | Website = [] }} 'OsmocomBB' ('O'pen 'S'ource ...18:59
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eddybthere's C code in mcusw19:00
eddybprobably from some kind of assert19:00
* infobot starts crying and hides from kerio in the darkest corner of the room. :(19:01
DocScrutinizer05~attack kerio19:01
* infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing kerio19:01
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eddyb(list1 != NULL && list2 != NULL) && ((list1->no_of_freqs > 0 && list1->freqs != NULL) || list1->no_of_freqs == 0) && ((list2->no_of_freqs > 0 && list2->freqs != NULL) || list2->no_of_freqs == 0)19:02
DocScrutinizer05meh, got some serious stuff to do19:02
eddybyou can probably make up partial structure definition just from all these strings19:03
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DocScrutinizer05emphasis on 'make up'19:03
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* DocScrutinizer05 seems to recall compilers sometimes doing that: fill unititialized areas with random cruft which often is sourcecode19:05
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eddybnah, this is from a stringifing macro19:07
eddybASSERT usually does that19:07
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eddyball the code looks like asserted expressions, but you can correlate the actual code checking the expression and the code in the string19:09
DocScrutinizer05 19:11:18 up 10:01,19:11
DocScrutinizer05shall I give FW another reboot before I leave?19:12
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keriowhy leave? :(19:12
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DocScrutinizer05magic limit is 18h uptime19:12
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: because I actually have a life, though most don't believe that19:13
* kerio doesn't believe that19:13
DocScrutinizer05and that BB% talk kinda bored me a little19:13
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DocScrutinizer05leads nowhere, always19:14
DocScrutinizer05so, shall I?19:14
DocScrutinizer05meh, I did19:16
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eddybPali: how do you make sense of the header in mcusw?19:51
Palieddyb, find on inernet X-Loader image format19:52
Paliyou will see that mcusw has similar/same header19:52
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eddybplease don't tell me google didn't gave me the right results because I didn't use a hyphen19:52
Paliit is somewhere on and-developers.com19:53
Palimotorola using omap3 too19:54
Paliso needs same x-loader image headers19:54
eddybnot this?
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PaliOmap HS X-Loader specification is not public19:57
Paliinformation about certificates & signatures for HS devices are not public19:57
Paliwhat I found was some RE info on and-developers.com19:58
jacekowskii've got signing software19:58
Paliha, here it is:
Palijacekowski, I think that it is possible to download signing SW from TI after registration19:59
eddybPali: thanks, that's much better19:59
jacekowskithis thing can sign the software19:59
Palibut there is no infomration about formats19:59
jacekowskibut you need the keys19:59
Palino information about HS devices registers...19:59
keriolet's ship something in cssu that silently bruteforces the signing key for cmt20:00
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Palikerio, better will be signing key for X-Loader20:00
eddybkerio: hihihi20:01
Palibut we have nothing which can check if signature is correct20:01
Paliwe do not have public key (which is burned into cpu)20:01
Paliwhat we have is signature glued into X-Loader binary20:01
kerioclearly, we'll have to constantly try to flash the signed firmwares :D20:02
eddybPali: oh20:02
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jacekowskinolo does some checking20:03
jacekowskibut i don't remember if it was just checking if checksum is correct or signature20:03
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Palijacekowski, what is NOLO doing with cmt?20:18
Paliit is something which is in kernel/userspace too?20:18
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eddybPali: I'm confused... the file is 0x5B0A80 bytes long, but the last entry ends at about 0x901B2220:24
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eddybPali: and the first one starts at 0x5F000, so there should be 0x8A2B22 bytes in the file20:31
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nussei bought a used n900, flashed RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, enabled rd-mode, tried to run apt-get dist-upgrade, phone rebooted and now i get "no initfs"20:36
nusseand i faile to flash again20:36
nussewhat to do now?20:36
kerionusse: haven't you noticed that dist-upgrade asked you to delete ~260 packages?20:37
keriodid you think that it was normal?20:37
keriono initfs is normal, but the hell if you're going to be able to boot20:37
kerioflash again20:37
keriobtw, you flashed the wrong one20:38
nussekerio: kerio it hasnt installed anything, was still downloading, it wasnt deleting 260 packages i think20:38
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nussedid i? please point me to the correct images20:38
kerioRX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Latest Maemo 5 Global20:39
nusseright now i can't make the flasher recognize the phone, it just sits in "no initfs"20:39
kerioand RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Latest Vanilla version of the eMMC20:39
kerioso yeah, you've got the right VANILLA20:39
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kerionusse: hm, i doubt you managed to fuck up the bootloader20:40
kerioare you absolutely sure that the flasher doesn't recognize the n900 anymore?20:40
nusseof course not20:40
kerioremove the battery, connect the usb cable, launch the flasher with the appropriate command, hold u, put the battery in20:40
nussea usb device is showing up20:40
nusseNew USB device found, idVendor=0421, idProduct=010620:41
kerioremember to follow the flashing guide quite closely20:42
kerioremove the battery between each flashing step20:42
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nussethat doesnt mean the flasher recognizes anything ;)20:43
kerionusse: not even dist-upgrade can fuck a n900 up enough to require coldflashing20:45
kerioare you using linux? blacklist cdc_phonet20:46
keriotry another usb cable20:46
nusseno such module loaded20:46
kerioyeah but blacklist it20:46
kerioautoloaders have a tendency to fuck this kind of thing up20:46
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nussei havent even compiled it20:49
nusseso it recognizes something and puts it into flash mode but then nothing happens20:49
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Skrytry as root20:52
SkryI had quite restrictive permissions on Arch by default20:52
nussei'm root20:53
nussei did successfully flash it 4h ago20:53
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Palinusse, try to use usb1.0 or usb1.1 port20:56
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PaliI have big problems with my usb3.0 ports and sometimes usb2.0 port does not working too20:57
nussei'll try another computer20:57
Palinusse, and also: for eMMC flashing you need to have working rootfs20:57
Paliis your phone bootable?20:58
Paliif not, then rootfs is not working20:58
Paliso you cannot flash eMMC image20:58
eddybPali: I'm probably late. but I found something interesting at 0x87AF20:58
nussePali: no it is not booting20:59
Palinusse: do: first flash combined image, reboot - but do not boot!, then flash eMMC image, reboot and then flash combined image again20:59
eddybPali: also something similar at 0xFFE121:00
Palieddyb: really, I'm not interesting in cmt firmware21:00
Paliit is something which I do not want to replace on my n90021:00
Paliit is also not possible due to strong signing key21:01
eddybPali: I'm trying to make sense of the values listed in the header21:01
Palieddyb, I think that mcusw file is: some mcusw header, then x-loader header and then data21:02
nussepali: yep, its working :)21:02
Palieddyb, but information is useless21:02
nussePali: how can the initfs geht lost?21:02
Palinusse: nokia decided to not use initfs anymore21:03
nusseshall i boot between flashing or not?21:03
nussePali: k21:03
eddybPali: yepp, and the x-loader header has triplets (offset, length, name). but I'm not sure how the offset works21:03
Palino you should not boot between flashing21:03
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nusseso i wait some seconds and remove the battery?21:03
Paliif you boot phone between reboots you break phone again...21:03
Palinusse, after eMMC flashing is done, try reboot command from flasher21:04
Pali(if reboot command will not work, remove battery)21:04
nusseusing -R?21:04
nussebut i flash the combined after that?21:04
Palicorrect order is: combined, emmc, combined21:05
nusseyeah, understood that21:05
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ludenshaha i just tried to do 'apt-get dist-upgrade'21:07
ludensit wanted remove all installed packages and install 5 new ones21:07
nusseso it seems to be booting, how do i upgrade now?21:09
kerionusse: now you have PR1.3 installed21:09
kerionusse: you decided to do this in the midst of a bigass server migration21:10
kerioso you have to set some mirrors up21:10
eddybthere's random NOLO strings throughout the first few KBs of the image. it's like "YOLO" staring at me21:10
nussei tried to use a mirror21:10
kerionusse: HAM won't like that, though21:11
kerioso you have to tell it to stfu21:11
nussei used apt-get21:11
kerioyeah but you weren't supposed to use dist-upgrade :)21:11
Palinusse, what do you want to upgrade?21:11
nusseupgrading is not possible btw without mount --bind something from mydocs to /var/cache/apt/archives21:11
Paliyou have now last version21:11
kerionusse: /var/cache/apt is already in /opt21:11
kerioand you don't need to upgrade much, really21:11
kerioit'll fit21:11
nussei guess since 2010 there were a lot of bugs21:12
Paliyes, already fixed21:12
nusseso i do want to upgrade?21:12
Paliwhat do you want to upgrade?21:13
kerionusse: the only upgrade from nokia is just a security fix that's also included in cssu21:13
Palinusse: only upgrade is to cssu21:13
infoboti guess cssu is
nusseah okay, so i want cssu21:15
kerionusse: follow the installation steps closely21:15
nussei've been just using the old n900 for two years not reinstalling anything, so i have no clue21:15
kerioespecially the installation of backupmenu21:15
nussedo i need backups? i could just reflash21:16
keriorestoring a backup is a lot faster :)21:16
nusseah no, flashing took maybe 5mins21:16
kerioand you can make one after installing cssu, too21:17
kerioand before tinkering with the system21:17
kerioand after tinkering with the system21:17
nusseno, i'm lazy21:17
nussebut seems still down21:17
kerioit's up, but so slow that it seems down21:17
keriowhich is possibly even worse21:17
kerioadd a mirror repo for extras21:18
kerioinstall backupmenu21:18
kerioyou could do it in your sources.list, so you don't have to wait for HAM to do its thing21:18
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nussewhat do i install after adding the extras repo?21:24
kerioseriously, it's good21:25
kerioinstall it, shut down, boot with the keyboard open, select backupmenu21:25
kerio(always backup both rootfs and optfs)21:26
nussecommunity-ssu-enabler :)21:30
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kerionusse: to install cssu, enable a cssu mirror, install community-ssu-enabler, run community-ssu-enabler, update with HAM21:30
kerioor update with apt-get and then reboot21:31
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nussekerio: thx21:35
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nusseso community-ssu-enabler removed the mirror i added and added again21:48
Palicommunity-ssu-enabler adding its own repository21:49
Paliinto "trusted" database21:49
keriohm, it shouldn't remove the mirror... oh, did you add it to the file in sources.list.d?21:49
keriothat file gets overwritten by HAM all the time21:50
kerionusse: HAM won't let you update from a mirror unless you tell it to do so21:50
Palikerio, it removing only "" repositories21:50
nussecan i install cssu without that crappy enabler? :)21:53
kerionusse: you've ran the enabler21:56
kerioit's ok21:56
kerionow just add a mirror21:56
kerioand upgrade21:56
kerioeither do it with apt, but it's unsupported21:57
kerioor enable HAM's redpill mode and disable "ignore packages from wrong domains" but it's unsupported too21:58
kerioor wait until warfare sets up cloudflare for rmo21:58
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: don't spread fud22:00
kerioDocScrutinizer05: see #maemo-ssu backscroll22:01
kerioalso i thought you were away and you had a life and all sorts of stuff like that :P22:01
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WizardNumberNextvery strange thing: I cannot charge, while n900 is on-on. It happily charge, while it is off and while bateery is almost full, bur not anywhere below 85%22:06
keriothat is strange, indeed22:07
WizardNumberNextit is third time it is happening22:07
kerioWizardNumberNext: try using a different charger22:07
keriomaybe the cable is busted and can't sustain a high enough current22:07
WizardNumberNexttwo "different" chargers22:07
WizardNumberNextI have two of each22:08
WizardNumberNextAC-3X AC-8X and desktop22:08
WizardNumberNextand obviously computer22:08
WizardNumberNextwould start with computer and see22:08
keriohow do you know that it's not charging?22:08
WizardNumberNextAC-3X is too weak and doesn't move it22:08
WizardNumberNextchecking bq2720022:09
WizardNumberNextnot to mention pernament green led22:09
keriothe green led is bme22:09
kerioor, rather, hald-addon-bme22:09
WizardNumberNextI have changed my led-pattern for chraging to red-orange-yellow-green22:09
WizardNumberNextI know - I think it might be bme fault, but...22:10
WizardNumberNextwhile I plug charger OS is getting up (till some point) anyway or at least it looks like22:10
WizardNumberNextbut in this state it charges22:11
lokimotiveare the ntfs drivers included with kernel-power51?22:11
keriolokimotive: wtf are ntfs drivers?22:11
Palintfs is included22:12
WizardNumberNexthe meant ntfs fs driver22:12
WizardNumberNextrather module22:12
keriothere's no such thing, or at least there should be no such thing22:12
keriothere's FUSE22:12
kerioPali: ew, the read-only one?22:12
Paliyes there is kernel driver22:12
WizardNumberNextkerie: too later - it started to charge now22:12
Paliby default yes22:12
WizardNumberNextor at least was trying to22:12
Palibut you can mount it into rw mode too22:12
kerioPali: no, i mean, the one that's heavily suggested to be used read-only22:13
Paliyes that22:13
DocScrutinizer05kerio: so what's to see on #maemo-ssu? That a silly service provider has bizzare ideas about domain ownership?22:13
nussekerio: 168 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded22:14
kerionusse: is this with an "apt-get upgrade"?22:14
WizardNumberNextkerio: on computer it doesn't charge as well22:14
nussekerio: yes22:14
kerioyou should really use HAM for this22:14
nussebut i'm not sure wether cssu is really enabled22:14
kerionusse: apt-cache policy mp-fremantle-community-pr22:14
kerioit should be installed with version 0 or something22:14
DocScrutinizer05i'm not sure you ran cssu-enabler22:14
DocScrutinizer05[2013-02-02 20:53:25] <nusse> can i install cssu without that crappy enabler? :)22:15
DocScrutinizer05[2013-02-02 20:56:42] <kerio> nusse: you've ran the enabler22:15
DocScrutinizer05[2013-02-02 20:56:44] <kerio> it's ok22:15
kerioDocScrutinizer05: he doesn't have the repos anymore!22:16
kerio...except that maybe i was dead wrong22:16
keriothe repos are added by postinst22:16
Paliinstalling cssu can be installed only by enabler22:16
kerionusse: run "sudo community-ssu-enabler"22:16
Palienabler doing all needed22:16
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kerioPali: except setting up mirrors and telling HAM to ignore domains22:17
Paligpg key, ham catalogue22:17
kerioPali: are you sure? i thought that repos and domains were added by the postinst, and the enabler binary did the metapackage thing22:17
PaliI mean enabler package22:18
wirrbtw, why nokia still haven't signed their repo with
nussekerio: "already enabled"22:18
keriowirr: because they're something that can't be expressed in a public, publicly-logged channel22:18
Paliwirr, because some manager in nokia must tell to developers: you can do that22:18
kerionusse: you'll have to do this with HAM, i'm afraid22:19
nussei think i dont like ham22:19
kerionusse: put "red-pill 1" "red-pill-ignore-wrong-domains 0" "red-pill-permanent 1" in three lines in ~/.osso/hildon-application-manager22:19
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* wirr wonders why he even asked...22:20
kerio(without quotes)22:20
nusseapplication manager show an cssu update22:20
kerionusse: ...does it? :o22:20
Paliis r.m.o down??22:20
kerioPali: rmo is slow enough to be somewhat useless right now22:20
kerioat least for me22:20
nussenokia pc suite, wtf22:21
kerionusse: indeed22:22
nusse"to update your device to this version you must use nokia pc suite"22:22
kerionusse: close ham22:22
keriowait for it to actually close22:22
keriothen create ~/.osso/hildon-application-manager as i said22:22
kerio(i assume you want to install community-testing)22:23
nusseyes :)22:25
keriothen you'll have to also add an extras-testing or extras-devel mirror22:25
keriobecause there's a problem in the current cssu-testing22:25
lokimotivecould it be that there are problems with cssu-thumb and usb-mode?22:26
kerioadd an extras-testing mirror, add a community-testing mirror, disable the standard community-testing, disable that extras mirror, wait 20 to 30 minutes for HAM to do whatever it thinks it should be doing, refresh, do system upgrade22:29
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Palilxp1: ping22:33
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nussekerio: i should be able to do all that also using vi and apt-get22:36
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iluminator105where is openssh package for n900, its not being found by my repos22:38
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lufNice :D23:10
lufGet:28 fremantle-1.3/free Packages [26,9MB]23:10
luf11% [28 Packages 3842283/26,9MB 14%]                      241B/s 1d 13h16min30s23:10
lufI think kerio adviced to be patient and calm :D23:10
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eddybwhat's this?
WizardNumberNextluf: you are a lot further then me23:25
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lufWizardNumberNext: I'm just waiting 2 hours ... :D23:26
WizardNumberNextI chisgarged my battery twice23:26
lufI'm using net over usb :D23:26
infobotWizardNumberNext meant: I discharged my battery twice23:26
WizardNumberNextmight an idea23:27
WizardNumberNexts/might/might be/23:27
infobotWizardNumberNext meant: might be an idea23:27
WizardNumberNextsorry my brain is dead whole day and even 2 litres of extra-strong green tea doesn't help23:28
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* WizardNumberNext might be becoming zombie23:28
lufWizardNumberNext: :D Nothing helps better than sleeping :D23:29
WizardNumberNextluf: an hour after waking up?23:29
WizardNumberNextok, now it is 12 hours, but my brain should be pretty much alive for next 2 days on that amount of green tea23:30
WizardNumberNextlokimotive: what the hell are you trying to do?23:30
lokimotivesorry i just had to try23:30
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WizardNumberNextexchange nothin for somthing - I wish i could do that!23:31
WizardNumberNextwould be very nice23:31
WizardNumberNextI would be rich23:31
WizardNumberNextlokimotive - I have to try it out on real sed23:32
WizardNumberNextbut I m afraid I would run out of paper soon23:32
WizardNumberNextink - I have for another 750 sheets23:32
lokimotiveexaclty 750 sheets?23:34
infobotlokimotive meant: exactly 750 sheets?23:34
lufWizardNumberNext: it's the worst one hour after waking up :D23:34
WizardNumberNextnot sure - I have put something like 300-350 sheets into drawer23:34
WizardNumberNextI had 500, how much i have now? No idea, but, when I would use all this, then I still would have ink for another 500 sheets. I have office monster23:38
kerioeddyb: what's that?23:38
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lokimotivehm i need a laser printer23:39
eddybkerio: nothing interesting, sadly23:39
WizardNumberNextlokimotive: mine is HP OJ PRO 8500A Plus (910N)23:39
WizardNumberNextsorry 910A23:39
lokimotiveatm i only have an hp deskjet and every time i set it up either only scanning works or only printing23:40
WizardNumberNextmine does everything23:41
WizardNumberNextbut I have spend more then 100 after finding it on street23:42
WizardNumberNextwas worth every single pence I spend on it - new from hp is 280gbp23:43
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