IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2013-02-02

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trekk	hi	03:25
trekk	repos are up again - nice job guys	03:25
trekk	some repo give hash mismatch though ?	03:25
trekk	is this a known issue or ?	03:26
MentalistTraceur	trekk: I'm not sure what you mean by hash mismatch; if you're referring to the expired key issue, that is known. But I don't recognize the term off the top of my head.	03:29
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MentalistTraceur	Anyway, the person you want to thank specifically is warfare, as I understand it.	03:30
MentalistTraceur	(Not to be confused with warfaren, in this channel,	03:31
MentalistTraceur	who I think is a different person)	03:31
trekk	no if i install a package i get the hash mismatch	03:32
MentalistTraceur	Hmm...	03:32
trekk	i deleted the apt list dir and reupdated	03:32
trekk	but the same	03:33
trekk	i.e telepathy-extras or telepathy-idle	03:33
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trekk	ok bye	03:48
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DocScrutinizer06	~botsnack	08:43
infobot	DocScrutinizer06: thanks	08:43
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ShadowX	Good morning :)	08:53
DocScrutinizer05	morning	09:00
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DocScrutinizer05	grrr, FW expired the 18h uptime it usually works semi-useful	09:05
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DocScrutinizer05	[notice]FW reboot pending. 18h uptime expired. Semi-frozen	09:07
r00t\|home	DocScrutinizer05: more like, exceeded?	09:07
DocScrutinizer05	or that	09:08
DocScrutinizer05	I meant "used up, no more left over of it"	09:08
thedead1440	yup seems like it got frozen 1-2mins back	09:09
DocScrutinizer05	Sa 2. Feb 06:57:51 CET 2013 real 0m18.894s	09:09
DocScrutinizer05	Sa 2. Feb 07:03:10 CET 2013 real 2m27.017s	09:09
DocScrutinizer05	Sa 2. Feb 07:10:37 CET 2013 real 0m16.212s	09:09
DocScrutinizer05	that's <now-1h>	09:09
thedead1440	Sat Feb 2 15:01:52 SGT 2013 real0m23.019s	09:10
thedead1440	Sat Feb 2 15:07:15 SGT 2013 real0m11.360s	09:10
thedead1440	that's 4mins back here :S	09:10
DocScrutinizer05	and FW got rebooted 1min back	09:10
thedead1440	:D	09:10
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DocScrutinizer05	Broadcast message from root (pts/0) (Sat Feb 2 09:08:04 2013):	09:11
DocScrutinizer05	The system is going down for reboot NOW!	09:11
DocScrutinizer05	o.O	09:13
DocScrutinizer05	still not back	09:13
DocScrutinizer05	GRRRRRR	09:15
thedead1440	yikes down again?	09:15
DocScrutinizer05	seems it recovered, just took a 10min off time ;-P	09:18
thedead1440	yup back now	09:19
thedead1440	it needed a botsnack too :p	09:19
DocScrutinizer05	I'll give it a botkick in da A**e	09:19
thedead1440	lol	09:19
DocScrutinizer05	POS	09:20
pwnguin	out of curiousity, is this channel related to the hildon foundation?	09:21
DocScrutinizer05	LOL	09:21
DocScrutinizer05	root@MaemoFirewall:~ # uptime	09:21
DocScrutinizer05	09:21:47 up 11 min, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.03	09:21
DocScrutinizer05	a LIIIEEE, LIIIEEEEE	09:21
thedead1440	haha	09:21
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damo22	hmm guys i dont know what im doing wrong but my built in browser cant install cssu	09:24
DocScrutinizer05	Feb 2 09:08:15 MaemoFirewall syslog-ng[2381]: syslog-ng shutting down; version='2.0.10'	09:24
DocScrutinizer05	Feb 2 11:10:13 MaemoFirewall kernel: [ 0.000000] Linux version 2.6.32.43-57.e43.i586 (root@andrew) (gcc version 4.1.2 20070626 (Endian 4.1.2-14)) #1 SMP Wed Aug 1	09:24
DocScrutinizer05	:-/	09:24
DocScrutinizer05	damo22: you probably need some patience since the original repository.maemo.org is still sloooow	09:25
DocScrutinizer05	pwnguin: well, kinda	09:26
DocScrutinizer05	pwnguin: ...since HiFo is realted to maemo	09:26
DocScrutinizer05	related even	09:26
pwnguin	im just confirming they're not a splinter group	09:26
DocScrutinizer05	hehehe	09:26
thedead1440	DocScrutinizer05: they aren't a splinter group :p	09:27
DocScrutinizer05	no, HiFo is maemo's official treasurer	09:27
damo22	what is supposed to come on the screen when the cssu installation starts?	09:27
damo22	i get a text window with config info about cssu repo	09:27
DocScrutinizer05	that sounds about right	09:27
damo22	so do i just wait and see what happens?	09:28
DocScrutinizer05	yes, as long as there's no error getting thrown in that window	09:28
damo22	ok	09:28
DocScrutinizer05	with our current extremely slow repo it might take an hour or longer till stuff gets done	09:29
pwnguin	what's going on with the site?	09:29
DocScrutinizer05	hm?	09:29
damo22	ok	09:30
pwnguin	firewalls crashing, repos slow	09:30
pwnguin	expiring keys	09:30
DocScrutinizer05	firewall is a POS	09:30
DocScrutinizer05	repo moved from a Akamai server farm with several hundred servers to a VM with a 50Mbit uplink	09:31
DocScrutinizer05	key expired since Nokia didn't take care to renew it in time	09:31
pwnguin	akamai server farm seems like overkill	09:31
DocScrutinizer05	well, the farm been overkill, what we now got is too weak	09:32
RST38h	Doc: What do you need the firewall for in the first place?	09:32
DocScrutinizer05	RST38h: I don't need it neither implemented it first place	09:33
RST38h	So, why not remove it?	09:33
DocScrutinizer05	because rack's network config is outside our domain of administrative power	09:33
damo22	is it supposed to be stuck in a web browser with [install] catalogues=community-testing.... etc	09:34
RST38h	Why not ask the administrator to disable the firewall?	09:34
DocScrutinizer05	the administrator already suggested we (they) might do exactly that	09:34
DocScrutinizer05	but that needs a grid-guy to create external IF on each VM	09:35
DocScrutinizer05	we started with repo	09:35
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DocScrutinizer05	which is already exposed	09:35
damo22	it seems to me that the .install script is not being detected as the right mime type and its just displaying the script in the web browser instead of executing it	09:35
RST38h	Aha	09:35
DocScrutinizer05	damo22: that's bad. Which browser you're using?	09:36
damo22	the Web thing	09:36
damo22	built into nokia	09:36
DocScrutinizer05	should work	09:36
damo22	is there a way to add this thing as an apt repo and do it from the command line?	09:37
DocScrutinizer05	damo22: sorry I'm not up to date and fluent on talking you through manual installation of cssu-s	09:37
damo22	i just want to know if its possible	09:38
DocScrutinizer05	yes, basically you can enter the info from the .install into HAMs catalogs settings under "new catalog"	09:38
damo22	great	09:38
damo22	i can work it out	09:38
DocScrutinizer05	then install the app in .install via apt-get and execute it	09:38
damo22	good shit	09:39
DocScrutinizer05	the .install is just a convenience shortcut for the former actions	09:39
kerio	damo22: fun stuff: it needs the exact name of the repo too	09:41
kerio	damo22: it's probably better if you download the .install and open it with file manager	09:42
kerio	well, it's not "need", but the enabler won't work right wrt repos, and you'll have to manually change them before doing the install	09:42
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: rmo throughput? still the same?	09:43
ecc2g	hardware question :anyone measured the current draw of an n900 while charging? mine seems to only draw 400mA which seems low...	09:45
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: last figure from pre-boot: 23.8Mb	09:45
DocScrutinizer05	ecc2g: that is quite normal, depending on charge state of your LiIon battery	09:46
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damo22	i typed it in manually, looks like its doing something good	09:46
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: 28.5Mb	09:47
ecc2g	about 25%... I was trying to figure out why the ac10u was 1200mA...	09:47
DocScrutinizer05	ecc2g: that's max load	09:48
DocScrutinizer05	LiIon charging in N900 follows a CCCV scheme though	09:49
DocScrutinizer05	which means that you will eventually taper off with current	09:49
kerio	damo22: yeah but the enabler is supposed to... nevermind, you're installing cssu stable right?	09:50
DocScrutinizer05	actually battery never will charge with 1200mA (except when e*_ tries it)	09:50
damo22	im putting on testing	09:50
DocScrutinizer05	and 5V is step-down transformed to the battery's 3.7 avr voltage, which also means you got lower current on 5V than on battery charge	09:51
DocScrutinizer05	damo22: I heard cssu-t has some problems with the expired key on Nokia's repos	09:51
DocScrutinizer05	IIRC	09:51
damo22	dang	09:52
DocScrutinizer05	better install cssu-s, you can 'upgrade' to cssu-t any time later	09:52
kerio	nah, it really doesn't	09:52
ecc2g	during bulkcharge phase it should draw max current, the taper should happen above 4v and around 80+% capacity...	09:52
DocScrutinizer05	basically yes	09:53
kerio	i mean, what are the missing packages?	09:53
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kerio	warfare: whenever you can, .install files have the wrong MIME, they shouldn't be text	09:53
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: I dunno. as already mentioned i'm not up to date and fluent with manual installation of CSSU	09:53
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: WTF happened to the mime types then?	09:54
kerio	it should be application/x-install-instructions	09:54
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: nginx happened :)	09:54
ecc2g	5v400mA is 2w, bl5j is 5wh, means 2.5h to charge at 100% efficiency...	09:54
damo22	ok im putting stable on	09:54
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: also, please consider warfare is our sysiop, not our repo/www maintainer	09:54
damo22	that mime thing sucked but i worked it out manually	09:55
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: who has write access to /etc/nginx.conf?	09:55
DocScrutinizer05	where?	09:55
kerio	rmo	09:55
DocScrutinizer05	meh, that's warfare	09:55
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kerio	toldya :P	09:56
DocScrutinizer05	do you say .install is on repo.m.o?	09:56
kerio	that's why i said "whenever you have time"	09:56
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: they are, afaik	09:56
DocScrutinizer05	I'd like to bet against that	09:56
DocScrutinizer05	well, dunno	09:57
DocScrutinizer05	maybe they are	09:57
* kerio wins the bet		09:57
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DocScrutinizer05	~cssu	09:57
infobot	methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU	09:57
thedead1440	Doc: http://repository.maemo.org/community/community-fremantle.install	09:57
ecc2g	I tried hooking up to a bench supply, what bothered me a bit is that the n900 seems to present a near linear resistive load... which is not what a switching supply should look like...	09:57
DocScrutinizer05	you're right	09:57
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kerio	of course i am	09:57
kerio	~kerio	09:57
infobot	somebody said kerio was <DocScrutinizer05> kerio is right	09:57
damo22	its a bit of a shame because tomorrow i have a chance to convince my friend to get a n900 instead of an iphone, but if the repo is sloooow its not gonna be a good demonstration	09:57
damo22	lol	09:58
DocScrutinizer05	~useless	09:58
* infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :(		09:58
thedead1440	haha	09:58
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thedead1440	damo22: if your friend needs a demo to choose the n900 over the iphone then he really should get the iphone	09:58
damo22	she	09:58
DocScrutinizer05	:-D	09:59
DocScrutinizer05	how about adding an entry to your N900 /etc/hosts? ;-P	09:59
DocScrutinizer05	(semi-serious suggestion, probably won't fly)	10:00
pwnguin	damo22: unless your friend is looking to buy a 3 year old iphone, that comparison might be worthwhile =(	10:00
* kerio feels that extensive multitasking is still in favour of the n900		10:01
pwnguin	true	10:01
pwnguin	i might have replaced my n900 with a galaxy nexus, and am slightly sad at the multitasking	10:02
DocScrutinizer05	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1320044#post1320044	10:02
damo22	i just swapped my iphone 4s for n900	10:02
pwnguin	lolwut	10:02
damo22	well not literally, i still have both here im just trying to see if i can do everything i need on this	10:03
DocScrutinizer05	just that it's not a "first step2 but rather the last step of first of three hops	10:03
DocScrutinizer05	s/2/"/	10:03
infobot	DocScrutinizer05 meant: just that it's not a "first step" but rather the last step of first of three hops	10:03
kerio	damo22: there's a compatibility layer to run angry birds	10:04
kerio	you'll be fine	10:04
damo22	i never used angry birds	10:04
damo22	in my life	10:04
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damo22	:D	10:04
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: since when does N900 need a compatibility layer to run angry birds?	10:05
damo22	i just want this phone because i like to be in control of my own computing	10:05
damo22	and i dont want someone telling me one day i cant make a phonecall because i havent downloaded 900Mb update	10:05
damo22	:P	10:05
DocScrutinizer05	afaik AB been a native fremantle app, to start with. Only then got migrated to other platforms	10:05
thedead1440	DocScrutinizer05: true its been available on fremantle since the first pr-release but i don't know if it was launched here first or on iOS	10:06
damo22	touchscreen seems to suck though	10:06
damo22	although i havent removed the film off the front yet	10:06
DocScrutinizer05	damo22: I always thought N900 touchscreen is the best I ever used - incl any crappy capacitive TS on those other phones	10:07
DocScrutinizer05	damo22: so yes, remove that film, might help a lot	10:07
damo22	ok	10:07
DocScrutinizer05	be careful though, not to damage the digitizer	10:08
DocScrutinizer05	it can't stand neither punctures nor excessive pulling force	10:08
damo22	how do i uninstall cherry	10:09
damo22	is it supposed to be in the list somewhere?	10:09
kerio	damo22: it's not a user package	10:09
DocScrutinizer05	apt-get?	10:09
kerio	apt-get remove cherry	10:09
kerio	as root	10:09
damo22	apt-get pop cherry	10:10
DocScrutinizer05	after you installed cssu, otherwise you shouldn't accept what apt-get suggests ;-)	10:10
DocScrutinizer05	odds are it would uninstall ~70% of your system, on a stock fremantle OS	10:11
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: nah	10:11
kerio	nothing depends on the metapackage	10:11
DocScrutinizer05	or you simply install notmynokia app	10:11
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: if you install nmn, remove cherry and remove nmn, you have cherry and no way to uninstall it	10:12
DocScrutinizer05	o.O ??	10:12
damo22	is it wise to update the official maemo stuff from nokia?	10:13
DocScrutinizer05	as in "system update"?	10:13
DocScrutinizer05	in HAM?	10:13
damo22	um, not sure if i have ham yet	10:13
DocScrutinizer05	you have HAM	10:14
damo22	ok well i got a funny ! icon	10:14
DocScrutinizer05	it's the default package manager of hildon	10:14
damo22	so i touched it and it said official nokia updates are available	10:14
DocScrutinizer05	yes, and a "system upgarde 2011.38.2" inside?	10:14
damo22	for maemo 5	10:14
DocScrutinizer05	forget it	10:14
DocScrutinizer05	you're supposed to have PR1.3 flashed	10:15
DocScrutinizer05	this maemo5 update is for Pr1.3.1	10:15
DocScrutinizer05	CSSU will ship that for you	10:15
DocScrutinizer05	so no, you don't need the 1.3.1 system upgrade	10:16
damo22	ok	10:16
DocScrutinizer05	ignroe it	10:16
DocScrutinizer05	proceed	10:16
damo22	i need bash, sudo, and a few tools	10:16
DocScrutinizer05	sudo already there	10:17
damo22	busybox sucks balls	10:17
DocScrutinizer05	get the rest via apt-get	10:17
DocScrutinizer05	~jrtools	10:17
infobot	i heard jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools	10:17
damo22	ahh	10:17
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damo22	rmo : 32B/s	10:20
damo22	:P	10:21
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DocScrutinizer05	GRRR http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_The_Perfect_Setup -> another staement about SR " will significantly increase battery life." without any evidence	10:22
DocScrutinizer05	damo22: this may change any moment, some connections see 300kBps	10:22
DocScrutinizer05	yours too, eventually	10:22
damo22	nice	10:22
thedead1440	DocScrutinizer05: kerio predicted your reaction to that page yesterday: 22:51 * kerio flees from doc's area-of-effect wrath	10:24
kerio	it was for the "kernel-power is recommended" thing	10:24
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DocScrutinizer05	yes, I know	10:34
DocScrutinizer05	I fought myself and won, to not rant on suggesting kernel-power in itself	10:34
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DocScrutinizer05	after all the page gives due credit to overclocking being deprecated	10:35
DocScrutinizer05	I still don't see why KP is beneficial for beginners, apart form the suggested SR power savings which never been tested in RL	10:36
DocScrutinizer05	and are deprecated by Nokia anyway, afaik	10:36
DocScrutinizer05	since iirc there's some hw instability in at least some devices, with SR	10:37
DocScrutinizer05	and after all SR is just a hw based way to do what fremantle stock kernel does in sw	10:38
DocScrutinizer05	so the supposed power savings of SR are questionable at least	10:38
DocScrutinizer05	undervolting is a completely unrelated topic. and not exactly recommended either. So what's the beginner's benefit in using PK?	10:41
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kerio	DocScrutinizer05: h-e-n :P	10:43
DocScrutinizer05	damo22: any progress?	10:43
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: for H-E-N you'll get advice which kernel to install	10:43
DocScrutinizer05	as soon as you install the H-E-N package	10:43
kerio	hm, why doesn't it also provide modules for stock?	10:49
DocScrutinizer05	because USB is monolithic in stock kernel	10:49
kerio	oic	10:49
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kerio	btw, rmo is sloooooooooooooow	10:53
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DocScrutinizer05	I knooooooooow	10:55
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warfare	kerio: I'll add the mime-type (although this should be in apache, as nginx is only the proxy for slow connections)	11:09
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kerio	warfare: maybe it should? i suppose that the migration changed the apache configuration and no one noticed the problem because... well, rmo was down	11:10
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warfare	I think so.	11:11
warfare	Content Type fixed.	11:16
warfare	curl -vvI http://repository.maemo.org/extras/install/extras-devel.install => Content-Type: application/x-install-instructions	11:17
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kerio	warfare: i might be repeating myself, but you da man	11:18
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kerio	~warfare	11:18
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kerio	infobot: #maemo warfare is Falk Stern, maemo.org master sysop, and also DA MAN	11:21
infobot	kerio: okay	11:21
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DocScrutinizer05	fasten seatbelts! warfare going to fire up the booster on repo ;:-D	11:36
RST38h	KILL. KILL. DESTRRROY.	11:38
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kerio	booster? :O	11:42
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: we have some heavy writing on HDD	11:42
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kerio	...WHAT?	11:43
kerio	who? why?	11:43
kerio	when?	11:43
kerio	it makes no sense, repo. is static right now	11:43
warfare	I'm installing iotop to look for the culprit.	11:43
DocScrutinizer05	atime	11:46
DocScrutinizer05	my suspect	11:46
kerio	ooh, that's a good one	11:46
kerio	i was going to suggest some excessive logging	11:46
luf	DocScrutinizer05: who keeps enabled atime? :D	11:46
kerio	...which is what atime is, pretty much	11:46
DocScrutinizer05	we already disabled logging, didn't change	11:47
luf	DocScrutinizer05: So let's try remount with noatime ;)	11:47
DocScrutinizer05	:nod:	11:47
luf	DocScrutinizer05: why not?	11:48
warfare	I'm taking down apache for a second.	11:49
DocScrutinizer05	WUT? from 90+%wa to <10%	11:51
DocScrutinizer05	aah, apache been down	11:52
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luf	DocScrutinizer05: mount -o remount,noatime,nodiratime <mnt point> ?	11:54
warfare	already done that.	11:54
DocScrutinizer05	sorry, /dev/xvda on / type ext3 (rw,noatime,nodiratime)	11:54
kerio	nobarrier data=writeback!	11:55
Skry	:)	11:55
warfare	I'm switching from nginx to varnish. nginx keeps swapping objects to disk	11:56
kerio	warfare: not lighttpd?	11:57
DocScrutinizer05	eeek, swapping	11:57
kerio	also, can't we disable the swap?	11:57
DocScrutinizer05	anyway, wa gone done by ~30%	11:57
warfare	kerio: there is no swap (at least from the kernel side)	11:58
DocScrutinizer05	absolute	11:58
warfare	kerio: I am not familiar with lighttpd, so atm I stick to the tools I know :)	11:58
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DocScrutinizer05	or so I thought	11:59
kerio	fair	11:59
DocScrutinizer05	(watch a professional at work. makes my day :-D )	11:59
kerio	oh, it's the firewall that has swap, right	12:00
DocScrutinizer05	nope	12:01
DocScrutinizer05	we're not looking at firewall now, since repo is exposed anyway	12:01
kerio	yes, yes	12:01
DocScrutinizer05	nevertheless FW has no swap either	12:01
DocScrutinizer05	actually I think swap doesn't make sense on low latency systems	12:02
DocScrutinizer05	autobuilder, ok. not on fileservers or firewalls though	12:03
warfare	Should be better now	12:04
DocScrutinizer05	Cpu(s): 1.1%us, 0.9%sy, 0.0%ni, 95.2%id, 0.1%wa, 0.0%hi, 1.4%si, 1.3%st	12:05
DocScrutinizer05	Mem: 2049296k total, 1966308k used, 82988k free, 12960k buffers	12:05
warfare	Still pushing ~26M but with no cpu load now.	12:06
DocScrutinizer05	:nod:	12:06
warfare	~93% of all requests are served from the cache.	12:06
infobot	warfare: okay	12:06
DocScrutinizer05	quite a difference	12:06
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DocScrutinizer05	~forget 93% of all requests	12:07
infobot	i forgot 93% of all requests, DocScrutinizer05	12:07
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DocScrutinizer05	;-)	12:07
warfare	Oh, "~" is for the bot?	12:07
DocScrutinizer05	attention key	12:07
kerio	~warfare	12:07
infobot	warfare is, like, Falk Stern, maemo.org master sysop, and also DA MAN	12:07
DocScrutinizer05	those 28Mbps uplink might be ISP's traffic shaping actually	12:09
kerio	~botsnack	12:09
infobot	kerio: thanks	12:09
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: well, now that we're not cpu limited...	12:09
kerio	can't we get nemein to give us more bandwidth?	12:09
kerio	like, if we ask pretty, pretty please :3	12:09
DocScrutinizer05	we can try	12:10
warfare	I need some coffee.	12:10
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DocScrutinizer05	enjoy! :-D	12:10
DocScrutinizer05	4957 root 20 0 693m 464m 3368 S 5 23.2 1:26.78 iftop :-o	12:13
RST38h	464MB? Really?	12:13
RST38h	And we are not talking overcommit here?	12:14
DocScrutinizer05	not Really, rather RES	12:14
DocScrutinizer05	that's top	12:14
DocScrutinizer05	of top ;-)	12:14
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DocScrutinizer05	I'm inklined to give it a kill	12:15
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DocScrutinizer05	PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S PU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND	12:16
DocScrutinizer05	11584 root 20 0 374m 143m 3476 S 4 7.2 0:23.79 iftop	12:16
DocScrutinizer05	4957 root 20 0 693m 502m 3368 S 4 25.1 1:33.82 iftop	12:16
DocScrutinizer05	12182 root 20 0 309m 83m 3476 S 4 4.2 0:13.23 iftop	12:16
DocScrutinizer05	10033 nobody 20 0 10.6g 609m 27m S 1 30.5 0:19.18 varnishd	12:16
kerio	why three?	12:16
DocScrutinizer05	:shrug:	12:16
kerio	kill them with fire	12:16
DocScrutinizer05	we're two users there, i got one ;-)	12:16
kerio	or kill them with TERM	12:16
DocScrutinizer05	killed mine, which turned out to be the greedy one	12:18
xes	humm ...bandwidth maniacs? :)	12:19
DocScrutinizer05	moo xes	12:19
DocScrutinizer05	xes: plaqying with repo	12:19
xes	hello there! ...sorry for the meeting, i returned at home after 21.00 :(	12:20
DocScrutinizer05	top porn: http://privatepaste.com/9608d64d82	12:21
xes	the last term for migration should be last day of february..or am i wrong?	12:22
DocScrutinizer05	yep	12:22
DocScrutinizer05	for step 2 of 3	12:22
DocScrutinizer05	which is xen-grid -> maemo iron	12:22
kerio	can varnish really push 26Mb/s with 3% cpu? :o	12:22
DocScrutinizer05	step 3: maemo iron -> Hetzner/osuosl	12:23
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: yay europe	12:23
DocScrutinizer05	step 3 still under evaluation	12:23
DocScrutinizer05	for that step3 we definitely need quite some sysop manpower	12:24
DocScrutinizer05	for step2 it's unclear yet how much of it will be done by Nemein	12:25
warfare	kerio: varnish can push around a gig with almost no cpu.	12:25
xes	..don't forget that for sure we/they(nemein) will need at least one week of test of the new irons before transfer vm..indipendently of the virt platform	12:25
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: important thing: keep the timestamps on rmo the same	12:25
kerio	so we don't get flooded to hell by all the n900s	12:25
DocScrutinizer05	:nod:	12:26
xes	kerio: with a vm transfer all will remain the same	12:26
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DocScrutinizer05	:nod: again	12:26
DocScrutinizer05	that's why my plan says "keep the VM until end of step 3"	12:27
DocScrutinizer05	after step3 acomplished (whatever it might be), we can start consolidation to our liking	12:27
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kerio	DocScrutinizer05: with our iron, the "firewall" will be the hypervisor, right?	12:30
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DocScrutinizer05	unclear yet, my take on it is 2FW? what friggin FW?!"	12:30
DocScrutinizer05	s/2/"/	12:30
infobot	DocScrutinizer05 meant: unclear yet, my take on it is "FW? what friggin FW?!"	12:30
xes	concerning the firewall, the easy way would be to use a natted interface of the hypervisor... Easy and plain! ..In the future, some kind of fw with qos would be better	12:34
DocScrutinizer05	xes: I guess we could add that when need arises	12:35
DocScrutinizer05	(some kind of FW)	12:35
xes	DocScrutinizer05: for sure. The first need is to have all up and running	12:35
DocScrutinizer05	for now Nemein's plans are to get rid of that FW since it's a PITA	12:35
DocScrutinizer05	even in xengrid	12:36
Estel_	kerio, I use device with 200mhz and 16 RAM as my irc bouncer... It also shares my whole internet connection@home, servers as ssh and voip gateway, torrent client, and wireless access point :P	12:37
kerio	Estel_: power usage?	12:37
Estel_	I think it beats your shevaplug pretty hard, especially, that it costed ~30$, and it was 3 years ago	12:38
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Estel_	12V 100mA peak ;P	12:38
kerio	well, the dreamplug does have two gigabit ethernets and wifi	12:38
Estel_	or more than 3	12:38
Estel_	but it cost order of magnitude more	12:38
kerio	about half an order of magnitude :P	12:38
Estel_	anyway, it's wrt54gl linksys router, that I'm talking about, powered by openwrt	12:39
DocScrutinizer05	uplink steady at 27Mbps	12:39
xes	DocScrutinizer05: i think that endian is a good product, but not inside a vm. Too complicated to be managed by a team and ..almost impossible to debug in hours (rather than weeks), so f**k the fw	12:39
* DocScrutinizer05 waves		12:39
kerio	Estel_: makes sense - i do have a wrt810n that acts as my router	12:39
kerio	but openwrt is flaky on it, and ddwrt is... eeh	12:39
kerio	works, but not quite	12:39
Estel_	why flaky?	12:39
Estel_	try 2.4 kernel	12:39
DocScrutinizer05	xes: yep	12:40
Estel_	2.6 kernel on openwrt = mess, from my experience	12:40
kerio	er, 610n	12:40
DocScrutinizer05	holler if sh*t hits the fan, folks. I'm gone	12:40
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: it's ok, we've got a real sysadmin now >:D	12:41
DocScrutinizer05	root@MaemoFirewall:~ # uptime	12:41
DocScrutinizer05	12:41:23 up 3:32, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00	12:41
Estel_	kerio, I don't know for never models, but wrt54gl is quite interesting, as it works exactly as well for 12V power supply godly way, as for 5V from either battery pack or usb	12:41
DocScrutinizer05	so another 15h left	12:41
kerio	Estel_: does openwrt have a web interface?	12:42
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: I never claimed to be any sysop	12:42
Estel_	pretty decent, if one want to use it (I do)	12:42
Estel_	LuCI	12:42
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: out of curiosity - is FW stable now?	12:42
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: system architect and project leader here	12:42
Estel_	Lua scripted interface	12:42
kerio	freemangordon: well, it works	12:42
freemangordon	with reboots?	12:42
DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon: yes... for 18h	12:42
kerio	Estel_: i might just try it, i suppose	12:42
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: nice	12:43
freemangordon	with constant 25 MB load?	12:43
freemangordon	*MB/s	12:43
DocScrutinizer05	nah	12:43
kerio	Mbs	12:43
Estel_	kerio, only drawback - as name suggest - it's G wifi standard	12:43
DocScrutinizer05	repo bypassing FW	12:43
freemangordon	aah, ok	12:43
Estel_	I don't see a problem, as I'm allergic to N	12:43
DocScrutinizer05	\/o	12:44
sixwheeledbeast	http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1320064&postcount=160	12:44
freemangordon	kerio: who loads RMO that badly? devices?	12:44
sixwheeledbeast	problem logging in to package page?	12:45
freemangordon	kerio: or it is nokia farm?	12:45
DocScrutinizer05	problem logging in to maemo.org	12:45
kerio	freemangordon: 40k active n900s (with only extras active) end up being a download every two seconds, on average	12:45
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DocScrutinizer05	known but not assigned yet, it seems	12:45
Estel_	kerio, btw, yesterday, some funny technician tried to convince my parents, that their wrt54gl won't support more than 17 Mb/s network access	12:45
freemangordon	kerio: I know, that is why I ask	12:46
Estel_	kerio, although no one seen those 40k devices yet ;)	12:46
freemangordon	so we are waiting server farm to stop torturing RMO?	12:46
kerio	freemangordon: there's no server farm anymore	12:46
freemangordon	but why this lload then?	12:46
freemangordon	*load	12:46
DocScrutinizer05	pooof, gone	12:46
DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon: N900	12:47
DocScrutinizer05	so yes, I seen them	12:47
Estel_	~5000 unique IPs served?	12:47
DocScrutinizer05	lol	12:48
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freemangordon	what? there is enough devices to do do constant 25 MBs?	12:48
freemangordon	*arew	12:48
DocScrutinizer05	root@stage:~# awk '{print $1}' < /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer \| sort \| uniq \| wc -l	12:48
DocScrutinizer05	31602	12:48
DocScrutinizer05	that's for today	12:48
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Estel_	so we're close to 40k limit, it may end in few days	12:48
* freemangordon heads to the coffee machine for another coffee :)		12:48
warfare	DocScrutinizer05: we are not logging anymore ;)	12:49
Estel_	unless it turns out to be 80k limit:P	12:49
DocScrutinizer05	ooh	12:49
warfare	DocScrutinizer05: Doesn't make sense, as most requests don't even hit the apache anymore.	12:49
kerio	the issue is that we don't actually know if the catalogue updates end or fail due to timeouts	12:49
Estel_	so, a shameless question - do we know (in terms of zhiterai &nowing ;) ) why it works so slow, or we only suppose reason?	12:50
Estel_	s/we/you/	12:50
infobot	Estel_ meant: so, a shameless question - do you know (in terms of zhiterai &nowing ;) ) why it works so slow, or we only suppose reason?	12:50
Estel_	s/we/you	12:50
freemangordon	I am curious too	12:50
warfare	We have 1533 established tcp connections to port 80.	12:50
warfare	Divide that by the available bandwidth.	12:50
warfare	(around 26mbit/s)	12:51
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freemangordon	warfare: aah, so we lack network bandwith? ok, makes sense	12:51
Estel_	~26/1533	12:51
infobot	0.016960208741	12:51
freemangordon	hmm, does not make sense :)	12:51
Estel_	~16kb	12:51
freemangordon	Kbs :)	12:52
Estel_	yes	12:52
Estel_	I was hungry and ate s	12:52
Estel_	well, in fact	12:52
freemangordon	but why web iface is slow then?	12:52
Estel_	~26*1024	12:52
infobot	26624	12:52
Estel_	~26624/1533	12:52
infobot	17.367253750815	12:52
freemangordon	aah, it is Mbs	12:52
Estel_	~17,3Kbs	12:53
Estel_	per head	12:53
Estel_	doesn't sound so slow, in practice it seems slower	12:53
Estel_	than that	12:53
freemangordon	not that bad, esp for http	12:53
kerio	it's probably not equally-distributed	12:53
Estel_	well, in practice it feels like 17 bs	12:53
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freemangordon	:nod:	12:54
DocScrutinizer05	warfare: thought as much when you mentioned that fronend thingie, varnish?	12:54
warfare	Thats probably because of the ratelimiting nemein does. This drops some packets, so tcp retransmits them.	12:54
* kerio shakes his fist at nemein		12:54
Estel_	shameless question 2: Given known circumstances and numbers, do you think there is a chancde for it to ever work as intended?	12:55
Estel_	or is it dead-man-loop, excuse the pun?	12:55
Estel_	s/chancde/chance/	12:55
kerio	Estel_: we just need more bandwidth :)	12:56
DocScrutinizer05	Estel_: we're working on it	12:56
kerio	the VM is perfectly healthy, 90% idle	12:56
Estel_	more bandwidth doesn't fit in "known circumstances" as in "present limits we have"	12:56
Estel_	s/we/you/	12:56
infobot	Estel_ meant: more bandwidth doesn't fit in "known circumstances" as in "present limits you have"	12:56
Estel_	damn the habit	12:56
warfare	Estel_: _If_ we can get more bandwidth (preferably 100Mbit/s) varnish could easily saturate that. 90% of all requests ask for the same files.	12:57
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Estel_	warfare, seems reasonable. do You (as in organization) have money for more bandwidth?	12:57
kerio	warfare: which files? extras Release, extras Packages.gz?	12:57
warfare	kerio: yes.	12:58
warfare	Estel_: I don't know about the monetary situation, but I will go looking for some sponsoring on monday.	12:58
* Estel_ nods		12:58
Estel_	thanks for info... And good luck	12:58
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kerio	can't we ask Nemein for a temporary burst to 50mbps or something similar?	13:01
kerio	i bet that once all the active n900s properly update, they won't bug us as much	13:01
kerio	a HEAD is a lot faster than a GET for a 3mb file	13:01
xes	kerio: do you know how much 50mbps costs instead 20mbps?	13:03
freemangordon	BTW do we expect that activity to cease?	13:04
freemangordon	in short term that is	13:04
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freemangordon	oh, shit "3% [9 Packages 93261/3169kB 2%] 5763B/s 8min53s"	13:06
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DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon: my HAM update stalled at donno where, extrapolation gave me 90min ETA. 15min later it had finished	13:10
* freemangordon is doing wget :)		13:11
DocScrutinizer05	might be all the same	13:11
DocScrutinizer05	connection badwidth per client isn't static	13:11
DocScrutinizer05	band*	13:11
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DocScrutinizer05	I see connections with 300+kBps here	13:12
DocScrutinizer05	others with 5Bps	13:12
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warfare	Top is extras/Packages.gz, followed by extras/Packages, followed by extras-devel/Packages.gz	13:13
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topro	hi, just reactivated my n900 after not using it for about one year, I just started missing it ;) seems some of the old repos aren't up anymore. any recommendations what repo-list to use to get it up to date, please?	13:14
kerio	who the hell is downloading extras/Packages? :s	13:14
topro	kerio: could that be me?	13:14
kerio	...why do users start using the n900 again only when the repos are down? :S	13:15
kerio	topro: temporary problems caused by the migration from nokia-owned infrastructure to community-owned infrastructure	13:15
topro	come on...	13:15
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kerio	the repository is working, is just sloooooooooow, but we're working on it	13:15
kerio	in the mean time	13:15
topro	ok, i see. no problem. i'm patient ;)	13:15
kerio	~mirrors	13:15
infobot	i guess mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143	13:15
damo22	i am downloading the cssu-s stuff	13:16
kerio	maemo-archive.wedrop.it is easy to use, just add "maemo-archive.wedrop.it/" between http:// and repository.maemo.org	13:16
kerio	in your sources.list	13:16
topro	kerio: i just realized that the old repo list on my n900 contains a lot of stuff. is there a list with currently recommended repos to start over again?	13:16
kerio	just the two nokia repos, extras (or extras-devel if you're feeling brave), and a cssu repo if you installed cssu	13:17
topro	ok, thanks	13:18
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topro	my repo list, http://paste.debian.net/231180/	13:22
topro	^^ anything that needs a change?	13:22
kerio	you don't need both extras and extras-testing	13:23
kerio	apart from that, sounds good	13:23
kerio	is this your hildon-application-manager.list?	13:23
kerio	it'll be overwritten by HAM whenever you launch it :)	13:24
topro	yes, it is. where to put infos then?	13:24
kerio	configure HAM	13:24
kerio	or disable every repo in HAM and copy that list in /etc/apt/sources.list	13:25
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kerio	topro: also, HAM is a bit weird, he'll not accept upgrades from mirrors of certain repos unless you disable a certain hidden setting	13:28
kerio	but that hidden setting may have UNFATHOMABLE CONSEQUENCES	13:28
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damo22	it might turn your n900 into a doorstop?	13:29
kerio	nah	13:30
topro	ok, tell me more...	13:30
kerio	there's surprisingly little that you can do in software to brick a n900	13:30
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damo22	then whats with the caps	13:30
damo22	:P	13:30
kerio	topro: HAM has something it calls "domains", each with a certain trust level	13:31
kerio	packages in repos belong to a certain domain, and installed packages from those repos also belong in that domain	13:31
kerio	HAM will outright refuse to upgrade a package that comes from a domain with a certain trust level to a domain with a lower trust level	13:31
kerio	repositories are put in domains based on the key used to sign them, and based on some hidden configurations in HAM	13:32
kerio	those configurations also include the URL for the repo	13:32
topro	what about using FAM? any better, or even worse?	13:32
kerio	so any repo you create as a user will not be considered belonging in a domain different than the "untrusted" one	13:32
kerio	~fam	13:32
infobot	well, fapman is Faster Application Manager, a bad package manager that causes problems, don't use it, ever	13:32
topro	ok, i see. i've been away for too long ;)	13:33
kerio	but considering that the nokia repos right now have 0 trust because their key is expired... i feel that there's very little you can do except disable that check in HAM	13:33
kerio	enter redpill mode, go to settings, and untick "ignore packages from wrong domains"	13:33
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kerio	that will let HAM know that you won't be ok with its bullshit	13:34
topro	can't find this setting, is it a HAM setting or somewhere in system settings?	13:34
kerio	it's a HAM setting, but it's hidden	13:34
kerio	http://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_Mode	13:34
topro	the I missed the red pill I think	13:34
topro	ah, ill see	13:34
topro	hmm, "There is currently no text in this page...."	13:35
kerio	oh, sorry	13:35
kerio	http://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode	13:35
kerio	fscking case sensitiveness	13:35
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: I'm honestly concerned about your health! :-o Where's gone all your usual trolling? ;-D	13:37
topro	i don't even have that configuration file /home/user/.osso/hildon-application-manager	13:37
DocScrutinizer05	nah, that's hardly possible	13:37
DocScrutinizer05	if there's actually no such file, create it	13:38
DocScrutinizer05	http://privatepaste.com/9b452a7c24 <- /home/user/.osso/hildon-application-manager	13:40
DocScrutinizer05	my /home/user/.osso/hildon-application-manager	13:40
topro	doc: thanks	13:41
DocScrutinizer05	kerio always claims red pill mode never really vanished from HAM. I'm not all that sure about it	13:42
DocScrutinizer05	you'll learn if it works when (or when not) there are new settings showing up in HAM menu	13:43
topro	even with red piull mode I see no settings in HAM at all. I maus be blind	13:43
topro	just catalogs and protocol	13:43
DocScrutinizer05	killall hildon-application-manager	13:44
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DocScrutinizer05	recheck /home/user/.osso/hildon-application-manager	13:44
DocScrutinizer05	it might get overwritten by HAM, on quitting	13:44
topro	ok, i'll do. just have to leave for the moment. thanks a lot. bb	13:44
DocScrutinizer05	o/	13:45
* DocScrutinizer05 suggests to install cssu HAM, it seen several fixes		13:45
DocScrutinizer05	and should work even on stock fremantle	13:46
* DocScrutinizer05 pokes kerio		13:46
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: i swear it never disappeared	13:47
kerio	but i might be wrong	13:47
kerio	i seldom used stock :)	13:47
kerio	the settings menu is on the top level of HAM iirc	13:47
kerio	the matrix way to temporarily enable it was gone at some point	13:48
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: i've got a cloak and everything, i can't troll like this :(	13:48
DocScrutinizer05	aaaaw ;-P	13:49
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DocScrutinizer05	kerio: iirc they removed the matrix style redpill enabler at one point in time, but later on removed redpill mode completely. I could be wrong as well	13:50
M4rtinK	do I have CSSU HAM when I have CSSU stable installed ?	13:51
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: anyway, cssu HAM should install on stock fremantle cleanly, no? via dpkg	13:51
DocScrutinizer05	M4rtinK: yes	13:51
M4rtinK	as I don't see any settings button in the toplevel app-menu	13:51
DocScrutinizer05	M4rtinK: you still need enable redpill mode	13:52
M4rtinK	ok	13:52
DocScrutinizer05	though in CSSU HAM even the matrix easteregg GUI hack works afaik	13:52
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MrPingu	DocScrutinizer05: Confirmed	13:54
DocScrutinizer05	http://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode#Activating	13:54
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kerio	DocScrutinizer05: apt, too :)	14:09
xes	freemangordon: does the maemo's apt has support for http redirects?	14:09
DocScrutinizer05	xes: the question more is: does HAM support that feature of apt?	14:10
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freemangordon	xes: no idea	14:18
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xes	:( in apt 0.7.20.2 maemo13 no http redirects support ..	14:26
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Pali	ping lxp1	14:41
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DocScrutinizer05	teotwaki: could you please disable mirroring of repo.m.o? thanks	14:51
DocScrutinizer05	teotwaki: (I mean actually syncing)	14:51
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DocScrutinizer05	teotwaki: ... temporarily ...	14:53
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xes	pali: is lxp1 the mantainer of apt pkg? ..http redirect is present(but disabled) in x-apt http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-pkg/apt?page=6 ...so, for now, road closed	15:13
Pali	xes, no lxp1 wrote packet injection wl1251 driver patch	15:14
Pali	xes, look here: https://gitorious.org/~pali/community-ssu/pali-apt there is fremantle apt git tree	15:15
Pali	xes, if you want to patch apt, use this version ^^	15:15
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xes	Pali: ok	15:20
Pali	xes, that version in maemo-pkg "master" branch is harmattan version	15:20
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kerio	xes: patch apt for what?	15:40
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kerio	oh, something like http.debian.net?	15:44
xes	kerio: i was looking if maemo's apt has alread the support for http redirects	15:44
kerio	by the way, couldn't we use coralcdn for rmo?	15:45
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DocScrutinizer05	on monday warfare will check some cdn options	15:49
kerio	anyway, rmo doesn't work at all for me right now	15:50
DocScrutinizer05	seems a quarter of connections has >200kBps	15:51
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DocScrutinizer05	so i'd attribute it to bad luck for you	15:52
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders when teotwaki will notice the request to stop hammering rmo		15:52
xes	my opinion is that during a migration we should apply only minimum changes to all the domain. There are already enough variables to check	15:53
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Pali	power management problem with packet injection wl1251 driver is solved... problem is in maemo wlancond/wl1251-cal/icd2. when driver is loaded something set link up which consume lot of power	16:00
Pali	but when non packet injection driver is loaded, link is down	16:00
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Pali	simple solution is to open wifi network dialog, wait until it show some networks and then close it	16:00
Pali	icd2/wlancond then put interface down	16:01
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Pali	(or another, call ifconfig wlan0 down after loading packet injection driver)	16:01
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DocScrutinizer05	xes: was your comment re cdn?	16:06
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xes	DocScrutinizer05: yes	16:07
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: nice find	16:07
DocScrutinizer05	xes: so, we already changed that particular details, away from "cdn"	16:07
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, I'm going to use only packet injection driver which is in kp for testing	16:08
DocScrutinizer05	going back to cdn based repo hosting was a step back to old config	16:08
Pali	now when power problem was fixed, it is possible to have it loaded instead old maemo driver	16:08
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DocScrutinizer05	Pali: when we can implement that workaround of yours as a proper fix, then yes	16:09
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Pali	DocScrutinizer05, I have script which loading packet injection driver	16:09
Pali	and I added ifconfig wlan0 down	16:09
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DocScrutinizer05	well, that's fixing the issue once. Doesn't same problem return later on, when you use those drivers for daily usage?	16:14
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Pali	DocScrutinizer05, I'm going to test it	16:14
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Pali	seems that wifi dialog window doing some link up & link down	16:15
freemangordon	Pali: ask jonwil to RE it, so we can fix it	16:16
Pali	freemangordon, why to RE?	16:16
jonwil	which dialog needs to be reverse engineered?	16:16
Pali	I think wifi dialog is working ok	16:16
Pali	problem is when you are switching drivers	16:16
freemangordon	Pali: seems I misunderstood what the problem is then	16:16
jonwil	ok	16:17
Pali	freemangordon, when packet injection driver is loaded, then n900 start consume lot of power	16:17
Pali	easy fix is to open wifi dialog, wait some seconds and close it	16:17
Pali	or open xterm and call ifconfig wlan0 down	16:17
jonwil	ok, so is there anything to reverse engineer or not? :)	16:18
Pali	jonwil not :-)	16:18
freemangordon	Pali: I see	16:18
jonwil	ok	16:18
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topro_	re	16:19
jacekowski	any of you on fosdem this year?	16:21
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topro_	is it ok for you if i use repository.maemo.org during migration. or does that do any harm to the migration process. that way i can go the blue-pill way despite being sloooow ;)	16:24
kerio	topro_: it's probably not ok for you	16:25
kerio	rmo doesn't work at all for me	16:25
kerio	unless it's all you jerks stealing my bandwidth	16:26
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kerio	DocScrutinizer05!!!	16:34
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88694	16:34
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kerio	oh nvm, you've already seen it	16:34
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DocScrutinizer05	topro_: go ahead, see if it works for you	16:36
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DocScrutinizer05	for you folks too:	16:37
DocScrutinizer05	root@stage:~# grep 'Debian APT-HTTP' /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer\|wc -l	16:37
DocScrutinizer05	436675	16:38
DocScrutinizer05	root@stage:~# grep -v 'Debian APT-HTTP' /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer\|wc -l	16:38
DocScrutinizer05	44518	16:38
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kerio	goddammit mirrors	16:38
kerio	stahp	16:39
kerio	merlin1991: have you stopped your mirroring?	16:39
DocScrutinizer05	root@stage:~# grep "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.1)" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer\|wc -l	16:39
DocScrutinizer05	347214	16:39
DocScrutinizer05	root@stage:~# grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.1)" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer\|wc -l	16:39
DocScrutinizer05	133979	16:39
topro_	kerio doc: well it works.... 1 - 200 bytes per sec. about as fast as by 2g conn so ok ;)	16:39
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: damn, so many n900s without cssu :(	16:40
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merlin1991	kerio: nope, but my mirror is in sync, so it's not doing anything apart from dl the Release file (which is 4kb)	16:41
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DocScrutinizer05	root@stage:~# grep "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.1)"\|wc -l	16:44
DocScrutinizer05	89461	16:44
DocScrutinizer05	root@stage:~# grep "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.1)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.2)"\|wc -l	16:44
DocScrutinizer05	29095	16:44
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DocScrutinizer05	root@stage:~# grep "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.1)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.2)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo11.1)"\|wc -l	16:45
DocScrutinizer05	20308	16:45
kerio	hold on, three versions?	16:45
DocScrutinizer05	root@stage:~# grep "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.1)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.2)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo11.1)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13)"\|wc -l	16:46
DocScrutinizer05	10809	16:46
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DocScrutinizer05	mo13.2)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo11.1)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.6maemo3)"\|wc -l	16:46
DocScrutinizer05	3376	16:47
kerio	what's the cssu apt?	16:47
merlin1991	we didn't thinker with that	16:47
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merlin1991	so should be same as pr 1.3	16:47
luf	It's terrible slow to download anything from repository.maemo.org :(	16:47
DocScrutinizer05	root@stage:~# grep "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.1)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.2)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo11.1)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.6maemo3)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo8)"\|wc -l	16:47
DocScrutinizer05	1710	16:47
kerio	merlin1991: 0.7.20.2maemo13.2+0cssu1	16:48
merlin1991	kerio: lemme rephrase we only enabled the the hidden stuff	16:48
merlin1991	we didn't tuch the user agent	16:49
DocScrutinizer05	root@stage:~# grep "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.1)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.2)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo11.1)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.6maemo3)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo8)"\|less	16:49
DocScrutinizer05	root@stage:~# grep "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.1)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.2)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo11.1)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.6maemo3)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo8)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo11)"\|wc -l	16:49
DocScrutinizer05	740	16:49
DocScrutinizer05	oops sorry	16:49
merlin1991	kerio: that's the whole changeset applied: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/apt/commit/e6ae26a0e3d3018beb6b1bb0219fb1aef3128a85	16:49
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ludens	hm whats the easiest way for me to install 'make' on my n900	16:50
ludens	i think i need to compile org-mode myself	16:50
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merlin1991	ludens: find a guide on installing the sdk in a chroot	16:51
merlin1991	it's a baaaad idea to enable the sdk repo and just install the packages	16:51
merlin1991	(rootfs will fill in seconds)	16:51
RzR	fosdem meeting now	16:52
ludens	merlin1991: yeah i was thinking i shouldnt need that many packages...	16:52
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DocScrutinizer05	root@stage:~# grep "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.1)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.2)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo11.1)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.6maemo3)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo8)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo11)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3	16:53
ludens	but hm yeah i guess id need a bunch of stuff :/	16:53
DocScrutinizer05	(0.7.6maemo2)"\|wc -l	16:53
DocScrutinizer05	641	16:53
DocScrutinizer05	root@stage:~# grep "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3" /var/log/apache2/*stage_transfer\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.1)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13.2)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo11.1)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo13)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.6maemo3)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo8)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3 (0.7.20.2maemo11)"\|grep -v "Debian APT-HTTP/1.3	16:53
DocScrutinizer05	(0.7.6maemo2)"\|grep '[0-9]maemo'\|wc -l	16:53
DocScrutinizer05	0	16:53
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DocScrutinizer05	root@stage:~# grep "0cssu" /var/log/varnish/varnishncsa.log\|wc -l	16:59
DocScrutinizer05	916	16:59
DocScrutinizer05	root@stage:~# wc -l /var/log/varnish/varnishncsa.log	16:59
DocScrutinizer05	370952 /var/log/varnish/varnishncsa.log	16:59
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kerio	:c	17:01
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: it's to be expected i suppose, cssu users were probably aware of the downtime and switched to mirrors	17:02
DocScrutinizer05	only means cssu users don't hammer repo with useless update requests	17:02
DocScrutinizer05	yep	17:02
kerio	speak for yourself, i hammer like crazy	17:02
kerio	:P	17:02
ludens	hm is it possible that someone has compiled org-mode lately and made a .deb?	17:02
ludens	then itd be avilable in the repos i suppose	17:03
DocScrutinizer05	not necessarily	17:03
xes	:)	17:03
ludens	so... i need to make a chroot	17:03
DocScrutinizer05	you're supposed to use scratchbox	17:04
DocScrutinizer05	on a proper PC	17:04
ludens	humm whats that?	17:04
kerio	installing scratchbox is a ridiculous process	17:04
ludens	aha ok	17:04
kerio	use the vm	17:04
DocScrutinizer05	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1318174#post1318174	17:04
ludens	:c	17:04
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kerio	ludens: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/ the vm image here	17:05
kerio	the giant one	17:06
ludens	alright can i just run that in qemu?	17:06
DocScrutinizer05	http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK	17:06
kerio	it's a vmware vm, but it runs fine with the usual ubuntu settings in virtualbox	17:06
ludens	okay..	17:07
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DocScrutinizer05	http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation	17:07
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: is it irresponsible to use skeiron to download the vm image?	17:08
kerio	it's like 1.5gb	17:08
DocScrutinizer05	meh	17:08
ludens	and then i will need to create a .deb to install the binary on my n900?	17:08
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kerio	ludens: chances are, you'll just have to get the debian tarball and compile it	17:08
DocScrutinizer05	rrrright	17:08
kerio	with dpkg-buildpackage	17:09
ludens	hm oh	17:09
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: seems last month you guys used 8% of traffic limit on skeiron	17:10
DocScrutinizer05	there's some headroom still ;-)	17:10
luf	BTW I reflash and now I see no updates (I'm on version 20.2010.36-2). I think there is 38 at least ...	17:10
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kerio	luf: there's 2011.38	17:11
kerio	from nokia	17:11
kerio	but HAM is a jerk	17:12
luf	kerio: Tell it to the HAM ;)	17:12
kerio	no, it's a known thing	17:12
kerio	it won't let you update because of the key thing	17:12
kerio	enter redpill mode and disable "ignore packages from wrong domains"	17:12
DocScrutinizer05	nokia dropped the ball	17:12
luf	~redpill	17:12
kerio	nokia also dropped the bass	17:13
kerio	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA2pjVAswek	17:13
kerio	luf: "red-pill 1" "red-pill-permanent 1" in ~user/.osso/hildon-application-manager	17:14
kerio	two lines	17:14
kerio	then access the settings menu	17:14
DocScrutinizer05	http://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode	17:14
kerio	infobot: #maemo redpill is http://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode	17:14
infobot	kerio: okay	17:14
DocScrutinizer05	~listkeys redpill	17:14
infobot	Factoid search of 'redpill' by key (1): #maemo redpill.	17:14
kerio	:D	17:14
DocScrutinizer05	pff	17:15
DocScrutinizer05	~listvalues Red_Pill_mode	17:15
infobot	Factoid search of 'Red_Pill_mode' by value returned no results.	17:15
DocScrutinizer05	grrr	17:15
DocScrutinizer05	~listvalues http://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode	17:16
infobot	Factoid search of 'http://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode' by value returned no results.	17:16
luf	kerio: thanks you're faster than google :D	17:16
DocScrutinizer05	o.O	17:16
DocScrutinizer05	~redpill	17:16
infobot	redpill is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode	17:16
luf	DocScrutinizer05: thanks.	17:16
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ludens	hm "Recent Emacs distributions include a packaging system which lets you install Elisp libraries. You can install Org with M-x package-install RET org." i wonder if that would work for me?	17:17
kerio	ludens: try it	17:17
DocScrutinizer05	~listvalues wiki.maemo.org	17:17
infobot	Factoid search of 'wiki.maemo.org' by value (18 of 76): #maemo closed ;; #maemo closed_packages ;; #maemo power ;; #maemo redpill ;; becomeroot ;; bluetooth-pan ;; bme ;; broken-maemo ;; extras ;; extras-product ;; extras-upload ;; extras-uploading ;; flash-partitioning ;; free ;; jrtools ;; maemo-flashing ;; maemo-qt ;; mafw.	17:17
DocScrutinizer05	~listvalues wiki.maemo.org/	17:17
infobot	Factoid search of 'wiki.maemo.org/' by value (18 of 76): #maemo power ;; accelerometer ;; bluetooth-pan ;; bluetooth-profiles ;; boot-from-sd ;; boot-sd ;; broken-maemo ;; categories ;; cssu ;; ctl-sh-p ;; extras-devel ;; extras-upload ;; flasher ;; hildon-extras ;; jebbadbus ;; jrxchat ;; maemosdk ;; n900-power.	17:17
DocScrutinizer05	~listvalues wiki.maemo.org/Red	17:17
infobot	Factoid search of 'wiki.maemo.org/Red' by value (2): #maemo redpill ;; red-pill.	17:17
kerio	infobot: what the hell man	17:18
infobot	Tem and Tain are the man.	17:18
kerio	...	17:18
kerio	ok	17:18
DocScrutinizer05	~factinfo red-pill	17:18
infobot	red-pill -- created by GeneralAntilles <n=GeneralA@c-69-244-211-19.hsd1.fl.comcast.net> at Wed Nov 19 18:27:28 2008 (1535 days); it has been requested 4 times, last by Stskeeps at Thu Feb 5 01:44:00 2009.	17:18
kerio	what?	17:18
ludens	kerio: def will. would be a lot easier	17:18
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kerio	~red-pill	17:18
infobot	extra, extra, read all about it, red-pill is https://wiki.maemo.org/Red_Pill_mode	17:18
kerio	hrmpf	17:18
DocScrutinizer05	:-P	17:18
kerio	infobot: no, red-pill is <reply>see redpill	17:18
infobot	kerio: okay	17:18
kerio	it's all part of my plan to slowly gain ownership of all the factoids	17:19
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: that's definitely rude	17:19
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: https? really?	17:19
DocScrutinizer05	ooh, k	17:19
kerio	once i have the copyright on all the factoids, i'll charge 19.99$/month to access them	17:19
DocScrutinizer05	nfc why some guys use https with wiki. Pali as well	17:20
kerio	mwahahahahahaha	17:20
Pali	password login protection?	17:21
Pali	https everywhere?	17:21
* DocScrutinizer05 redirects all https://wiki.maemo.org pages to "this is not your bank account!"		17:21
Pali	fix your browser	17:21
kerio	hah	17:21
Pali	this is bug in your brower	17:21
kerio	Pali: it's not even fully encrypted anyway	17:22
kerio	i can do a MITM through static.maemo.org	17:22
Pali	https has at least same protection as http	17:22
Pali	so why to not use https?	17:22
DocScrutinizer05	and at least some overhead on serverside	17:22
Pali	if there is problem on server, turn https off	17:23
DocScrutinizer05	I'm tempted ;-P	17:23
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Skry	the fuck	17:23
DocScrutinizer05	lol	17:23
kerio	sup, Skry	17:24
luf	Small trouble with redpill ... I have no .osso/h-a-m file and when I created I lost all repositories ...	17:24
kerio	you're lying	17:25
kerio	anyway, close ham	17:25
kerio	wait for apt-worker to stop dicking around	17:25
kerio	then create that file with the two lines	17:25
kerio	sometimes HAM decides to not show any catalogue	17:25
luf	I hate HAM	17:26
kerio	indeed	17:26
luf	Fucking sometimes ...	17:26
Pali	luf, you need to wait until apt-worker will parse all lists files	17:26
Pali	also when you start new HAM instance before apt-worker from old instance exited you have problem...	17:27
luf	Pali: it didn't try to parse ...	17:27
luf	But now it's ok.	17:27
luf	Pali: maybe I was too fast :(	17:27
kerio	luf: there should be a Settings menu on the toplevel	17:27
Pali	luf, when you start HAM it spawn apt-worked and it parsing all packages from repositories	17:27
Pali	this take about 2-10 minutes on my n900 :-(	17:28
DocScrutinizer05	luf: it's hard to not be too fast for HAM	17:28
Pali	when you install/uninstall/update any package HAM again reparsing packages	17:28
Pali	and again it took lot of time	17:28
luf	Pali: I know about that too long. But I can't understand why it starts when another apt-worked is running.	17:29
DocScrutinizer05	if HAM doesn't work, you're too fast. Waaaaaait!	17:29
Pali	luf, HAM spawning apt-worker with 4 names pipes on /tmp/	17:29
Pali	after apt worker is spawned files are removed	17:29
Pali	so any new application cannot connect to apt-worker	17:30
luf	Pali: ok so HAM should report the error in that case.	17:30
Pali	yes should	17:30
DocScrutinizer05	apt-get does ;-P	17:30
Pali	I already implemented some code in CSSU HAM which tell apt-worked to immediately quit when turning HAM off	17:31
DocScrutinizer05	and I still wonder if that's a good idea	17:31
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, I implemented only new command via pipe protocol	17:32
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Pali	so if apt-worker does not wait for something from pipe, it does not know that HAM was exited	17:32
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DocScrutinizer05	well, as long as apt-worker has no filehandles on modify/write	17:33
Pali	https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager/commit/b3b3567563c30d47b8a02fe6dc38a59d1a63a5ea	17:33
Pali	https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager/commit/1125cbbd2ca3a0644f684ec6ba2eaa44df5dad53	17:33
Pali	only this was implemented ^^	17:34
DocScrutinizer05	I'd just hate apt-worker corrupting my files	17:34
luf	Even with redpill I see no ssu update :(	17:35
Pali	first patch checking for cancel command in operation "parse packages" --> this is only read only operation	17:35
kerio	luf: do you see the settings menu?	17:35
DocScrutinizer05	you need to config it	17:35
Pali	second patch adding new command quit, so HAM can tell apt-worked to quit, when apt-worked doing nothing	17:36
luf	Yes I unset wrong domains.	17:36
kerio	luf: are you sure	17:36
luf	I'm trying it once again.	17:36
kerio	i'd do another refresh	17:36
luf	kerio: sure. I checked it.	17:36
luf	Yes. I restarted HAM once again and I'm waiting now.	17:37
DocScrutinizer05	waiting is good for you ;-)	17:37
luf	I see more now.	17:38
luf	DocScrutinizer05: trust me. It's not good for me :D	17:38
topro_	ok, giving up. rmo is really broken	17:39
topro_	going red-pill as suggested	17:40
luf	topro_: it's the only way :(	17:40
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kerio	luf: =D	17:43
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: couldn't we configure skeiron or maemo-archive to offer the appropriate paths when asked for repository.maemo.org?	17:43
kerio	so you could change /etc/hosts and HAM would be happy	17:43
luf	Can't some CDN sponsore maemo?	17:43
kerio	luf: coralcdn is free anyway	17:44
luf	I think that repos should be cached there ...	17:44
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: already duely noted by brkn	17:45
luf	BTW update Maemo 5 -> It's not from Nokia do you want to continue? :D :D :D	17:45
topro_	hmm, i get hash sums mismatch on one file when using the suggested mirror	17:45
DocScrutinizer05	(cdn) yes, warfare will check our options on monday	17:46
* DocScrutinizer05 enters parrot mode		17:46
luf	DocScrutinizer05: great ...	17:46
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: are we paying warfare?	17:46
DocScrutinizer05	no	17:46
kerio	then let's make him work on sunday too! :D	17:47
DocScrutinizer05	we never could afford such a wizard	17:47
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kerio	overtime pay is 1.5 or 2 times the usual rate, isn't it	17:47
ludens	wow the ELPA is prett amazing. compiled the latest org-mode build inside emacs	17:48
DocScrutinizer05	?	17:49
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eddyb	is there any way I can get the cmt-firmware-rx51 .deb file or the /boot/cmtImage-10w08 file?	17:49
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kerio	eddyb: it's in the nokia ssu repo	17:50
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kerio	eddyb: you'll need the user/pass that are stored in /etc/apt/auth	17:51
kerio	...or maybe you could look in some mirrors	17:51
kerio	but nobody told you that	17:51
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eddyb	kerio: how can I use the device to download the .deb file?	17:51
kerio	eddyb: isn't it already installed?	17:52
kerio	oh, it's one of those "install, flash and remove"	17:52
eddyb	mhmm	17:52
eddyb	the file in /boot is missing	17:52
kerio	it's supposed to be missing	17:52
kerio	it's flashed	17:52
eddyb	yeah, that's why I want to get the .deb file	17:53
kerio	oic	17:53
kerio	eddyb: sudo apt-get install --reinstall --download-only cmt-firmware-rx51	17:53
eddyb	heh thanks :D	17:53
kerio	and then grab the .deb from /var/cache/apt/archives/	17:53
eddyb	that's exactly what I was looking for	17:53
eddyb	also, do you happen to know if anyone tried reverse engineering that image?	17:53
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DocScrutinizer05	haha	17:54
topro_	~mirrors	17:54
infobot	[mirror] http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143	17:54
DocScrutinizer05	do you have datasheets of BB5?	17:54
DocScrutinizer05	and even if you had, you can't flash patched or altered images to cmt/BB5	17:55
DocScrutinizer05	which renders all RE kinda useless academic effort	17:55
DocScrutinizer05	unless you're actually just hunting for info/knowledge	17:56
Pali	isnt cmt image signed?	17:56
DocScrutinizer05	yep	17:56
eddyb	DocScrutinizer05: I'm mostly curious	17:56
DocScrutinizer05	that's why	17:56
Pali	with downgrade protection too?	17:56
DocScrutinizer05	ask jacekowski then	17:56
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: iirc yes	17:56
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kerio	DocScrutinizer05: until we find a bug in the signature verification :)	17:57
kerio	or some kind of attack vector	17:57
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eddyb	signed as in public/private key-pair, and the private key is in a buried 10m thick steel safe, somewhere in Finland :D?	17:58
DocScrutinizer05	we had that issue with leaked PR1.2-asia which updated cmt and downgrading the rootfs created an incompatibility	17:58
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kerio	eddyb: maybe	17:58
DocScrutinizer05	not maybe, exactly	17:58
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: we don't actually know if it's nokia that holds the private key	17:58
kerio	unless we know that because they're required to by some regulations	17:59
DocScrutinizer05	err, yes we do	17:59
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kerio	maybe it was subcontractors!	17:59
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DocScrutinizer05	since the guys were able to create updates	17:59
Pali	-rw-r--r-- root/root 6567893 2010-03-02 11:10 ./boot/cmtImage-10w08	17:59
Pali	6MB?	18:00
DocScrutinizer05	sounds pretty small	18:00
Pali	RE not possible...	18:00
DocScrutinizer05	it's probably only the filesystem with a few configs	18:00
Pali	what?	18:01
Pali	filesystem?	18:01
eddyb	I remember looking at the wiki, why is there no actual info on the GSM/3G hardware stuff?	18:01
Pali	in that firmware?	18:01
DocScrutinizer05	eddyb: you didn't find it	18:02
Pali	/boot/cmtImage-10w08 is FIASCO image	18:02
eddyb	DocScrutinizer05: I blame google trying to be a smartass	18:02
DocScrutinizer05	amazingly small	18:02
Pali	contains parts: cmt-2nd cmt-algo cmt-mcusw	18:02
Pali	cmt-2nd, version BB5_09.36, size 81408 bytes	18:03
DocScrutinizer05	pfff	18:03
topro_	still get hash mismatch when using maemo-archive.wedrop.it mirror extras repo	18:03
Pali	cmt-algo, version BB5_09.36, size 519808 bytes	18:03
eddyb	DocScrutinizer05: this? http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic#Page_13_RF_Part	18:03
DocScrutinizer05	that's basically BB5's NOLO	18:03
Pali	cmt-mcusw, version rx51_ICPR82_10w08, size 5966464 bytes	18:04
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Pali	DocScrutinizer05, why there are 3 parts of cmt firmware?	18:04
DocScrutinizer05	that might be an extremely downsized radio stack	18:04
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: I already told you what's 2nd and algo	18:06
Pali	but why are separated files?	18:06
DocScrutinizer05	mcusw is probably MicroControllerUnit	18:06
eddyb	SoftWare	18:06
DocScrutinizer05	because that are separate cpu cores	18:07
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: BB5 has an ARM, a DSP, and some auxiliary MCU cores	18:08
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eddyb	DocScrutinizer05: I'm only seeing "Aura - Vapaus, ... Cellphone components."	18:08
DocScrutinizer05	what are you looking for?	18:09
DocScrutinizer05	rapuyama?	18:09
eddyb	your description of BB5 sounds promising, but that's about it	18:09
DocScrutinizer05	there IS NO datasheet about BB5	18:10
eddyb	DocScrutinizer05: except I have no clue what Rapuyama means/is	18:10
DocScrutinizer05	rapuyama == BB5	18:10
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DocScrutinizer05	== cmt	18:10
eddyb	oh	18:10
eddyb	see, if you hadn't told me that, there was no way to find out from the wiki, at least in the places I've looked	18:11
eddyb	http://www.gsmrapid.com/showthread.php?t=4957 this looks like a complete SoC	18:11
eddyb	like it was designed to be the only SoC in a phone or something	18:12
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eddyb	so, uhm, the firmware has ARM code?	18:13
DocScrutinizer05	http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Phone	18:13
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kerio	eddyb: yep, it's designed to be the SoC for a dumbphone	18:13
DocScrutinizer05	eddyb: yes, that page is about what you can find regarding BB5 internals	18:14
kerio	the n900 is not a phone, it's a computer with an embedded phone :D	18:14
kerio	~cmt	18:14
kerio	~useless	18:14
* infobot starts crying and hides from kerio in the darkest corner of the room. :(		18:14
eddyb	DocScrutinizer05: yeah, I read that page, and the only interesting info there is "V ICPR82_10w08"	18:15
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Pali	ICPR82_10w08 is version of rx51 cmt-mcusw image	18:21
DocScrutinizer05	eddyb: you can find specs of ISI interface to BB5. Everything else is mostly useless since you neither can reasonably disassemble nor patch and flash	18:23
eddyb	why can't I disassemble?	18:23
eddyb	is the image compressed/encrypted?	18:23
eddyb	also, where is signature verification done? resident firmware in that SoC?	18:23
DocScrutinizer05	you can, but what's the use of seeing things like "move 0xFF43 to reg 167" ?	18:24
DocScrutinizer05	you seen that block schematics on gsmrapid? you noticed the block labeled "security"?	18:24
eddyb	hehe	18:24
eddyb	and you can learn a lot of things from register writes	18:25
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DocScrutinizer05	also ask freemangordon about general ARM security concept	18:25
eddyb	who would bother to obfuscate hardware accesses?	18:25
eddyb	s/writes/writes and/or reads/	18:26
DocScrutinizer05	sorry, I'm EE and that starts boring me	18:26
DocScrutinizer05	you don't learn anything if you don't know the hw you're talking to	18:26
eddyb	UART read/write routines are somewhat easy to spot	18:27
DocScrutinizer05	shrug	18:27
eddyb	DocScrutinizer05: you assume opaque code	18:27
eddyb	but code is written by humans, and only slightly modified by machines	18:28
DocScrutinizer05	and what are you assuming? comments?	18:28
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eddyb	I am assuming I will continue working on my decompiler	18:28
DocScrutinizer05	you have NFC how the custom DSP in rapu works	18:28
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DocScrutinizer05	so UART might actually be the only code you're able to decifer	18:29
DocScrutinizer05	MIPI-HSI already you're lacking proper datasheets for	18:30
DocScrutinizer05	and on radio stack you're utterly lost	18:31
DocScrutinizer05	maybe you could tackle the GPS chip control	18:32
DocScrutinizer05	might be feasible	18:32
DocScrutinizer05	partially	18:32
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* DocScrutinizer05 never gets the catch why people are interested in RE of a complex radio stack like in BB5. When they could start googling for osmocom		18:34
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Pali	DocScrutinizer05, so bb5 is arm soc chip?	18:34
Pali	integrated into n900?	18:35
DocScrutinizer05	yes	18:35
eddyb	hmmmm	18:35
Pali	and omap soc can communicate with bb5 via SSI?	18:36
eddyb	so my archiver opened the firmware as text, so I took a quick look	18:36
eddyb	Max RLC window size: %d receiving window size: %d, configurationOK: FALSE	18:36
DocScrutinizer05	McBSP but yeah	18:36
eddyb	Simultaneous reception of SCCPCH and DPCH is not supported - configurationOK: FALSE	18:36
eddyb	talk about comments, hehe	18:36
eddyb	BMC info trace (RRC) : Output bit set - repetition of requested message	18:36
Pali	cmt-mcusw_rx51_ICPR82_10w08 image is ARM code?	18:37
Pali	there is some header Elf2flash 08.37.001	18:37
DocScrutinizer05	now excite me an dpretend you can RE a whole WCDMA/GSM radio stack with those diagnostic output strings	18:37
Pali	there is also header PRIMAPP and PAPUBKEYS	18:38
Pali	which is X-Loader format certificate	18:38
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Pali	with signature	18:38
eddyb	DocScrutinizer05: nah, but it helps to have a ton of debug strings left in :P	18:38
DocScrutinizer05	it's a standard ARM system, so what?	18:38
DocScrutinizer05	of course it's using X-Loader	18:39
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, there is still no exploit for omap HS devices?	18:40
DocScrutinizer05	no, not afaik	18:40
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DocScrutinizer05	the security guys did a decent job	18:40
DocScrutinizer05	btw BB6 most likely isn't omap	18:40
DocScrutinizer05	BB5*	18:41
DocScrutinizer05	it's ARM BB5, not ARM OMAP	18:41
Pali	I did not belive that nokia did decent job - wrote bootloader X-loader & NOLO without security errors	18:41
Pali	we can see lot of problems in maemo and harmattan...	18:42
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DocScrutinizer05	ROMBL and probably even x-loader isn't written by Nokia	18:43
eddyb	Pali: you're using 0xFFFF for unpack that image, right? I see you own the gitorious repo	18:43
DocScrutinizer05	even NOLO is a perverted uBoot	18:43
Pali	eddyb, yes	18:44
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, NOLO is not uBoot	18:44
Pali	there is noting common in binary	18:44
Pali	and it is Nokia X-Loader	18:44
* DocScrutinizer05 is searching an empty spot on his wall full of of tally charts, to add another scratch for another useless "we wanna RE the GSM radiostack" discussion		18:45
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: (nothing common) you bet there's othing, otherwise my friend Harald would come onto them. That's why I said "perverted uBoot"	18:47
DocScrutinizer05	and x-loader code is always based on that refernce implementation by TI(?)	18:48
DocScrutinizer05	or even ARM	18:48
Pali	reference implementation by TI?	18:48
Pali	so this could be something closed...	18:49
Pali	I did not see it yet	18:49
DocScrutinizer05	it's maybe not exactly open source	18:50
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DocScrutinizer05	but all chip manufs get it and hand it to their customers	18:50
DocScrutinizer05	it's probably hardly ever changed much	18:51
DocScrutinizer05	ask jacekowski	18:51
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, is NOLO doing someting with cmt?	18:51
DocScrutinizer05	sure	18:51
Pali	ping jacekowski	18:51
Pali	I'm thinking if will replace NOLO with uboot if cellular modem will be working or not	18:52
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: the proper syntax is: >> <nickname>: ping	18:52
Pali	if kernel/userspace has enought code to start up and configure it	18:53
Pali	jacekowski: ping	18:53
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: it probably will just delay cmt bootup	18:53
DocScrutinizer05	usually in uBoot/Nolo and userland/kernel initialization gets duplicated	18:54
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DocScrutinizer05	I'd be surprised if not already NOLO would power up cmt	18:55
DocScrutinizer05	and set up the interfaces to it	18:55
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, in nolo console there is command for cmt bootup	18:55
eddyb	/nokia/sa_nmp/groups/dss/BB5_flash_algos-next/BB5_flash_algos/common_services/flash_msg.c	18:55
DocScrutinizer05	yep, thought as much	18:55
Pali	so this is reason why I asked if it will be possible	18:56
eddyb	that's fun, file names	18:56
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DocScrutinizer05	so what's fun in that?	18:56
DocScrutinizer05	you want proper coredumps at least	18:56
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DocScrutinizer05	~wiki osmocom	18:59
infobot	I couldn't find a matching article in wikipedia, look for yerselves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=osmocom&go=Go	18:59
DocScrutinizer05	hmm thought as much	18:59
DocScrutinizer05	~wiki osmocombb	18:59
infobot	At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OsmocomBB (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{cleanup\|date=May 2012 \| reason = grammar}} {{Refimprove\|date=May 2012}} {{Infobox Software \| Logo = \| Screenshot = \| Beschreibung = \| Maintainer = \| Hersteller = \| AktuelleVersion = \| AktuelleVersionFreigabeDatum = \| Betriebssystem = \| Written in = C \| Kategorie = \| Lizenz = GPL (Free software) \| Website = [http://bb.osmocom.org/ bb.osmocom.org] }} 'OsmocomBB' ('O'pen 'S'ource ...	18:59
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eddyb	haha	19:00
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eddyb	there's C code in mcusw	19:00
eddyb	probably from some kind of assert	19:00
kerio	~useless	19:01
* infobot starts crying and hides from kerio in the darkest corner of the room. :(		19:01
DocScrutinizer05	~attack kerio	19:01
* infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing kerio		19:01
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eddyb	(list1 != NULL && list2 != NULL) && ((list1->no_of_freqs > 0 && list1->freqs != NULL) \|\| list1->no_of_freqs == 0) && ((list2->no_of_freqs > 0 && list2->freqs != NULL) \|\| list2->no_of_freqs == 0)	19:02
DocScrutinizer05	meh, got some serious stuff to do	19:02
eddyb	you can probably make up partial structure definition just from all these strings	19:03
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DocScrutinizer05	emphasis on 'make up'	19:03
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* DocScrutinizer05 seems to recall compilers sometimes doing that: fill unititialized areas with random cruft which often is sourcecode		19:05
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DocScrutinizer05	o/	19:07
DocScrutinizer05	l8rs	19:07
eddyb	nah, this is from a stringifing macro	19:07
eddyb	ASSERT usually does that	19:07
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eddyb	all the code looks like asserted expressions, but you can correlate the actual code checking the expression and the code in the string	19:09
DocScrutinizer05	19:11:18 up 10:01,	19:11
DocScrutinizer05	shall I give FW another reboot before I leave?	19:12
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kerio	why leave? :(	19:12
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DocScrutinizer05	magic limit is 18h uptime	19:12
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DocScrutinizer05	kerio: because I actually have a life, though most don't believe that	19:13
* kerio doesn't believe that		19:13
DocScrutinizer05	and that BB% talk kinda bored me a little	19:13
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DocScrutinizer05	leads nowhere, always	19:14
DocScrutinizer05	so, shall I?	19:14
DocScrutinizer05	meh, I did	19:16
DocScrutinizer05	o/	19:16
kerio	\o	19:17
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eddyb	Pali: how do you make sense of the header in mcusw?	19:51
Pali	eddyb, find on inernet X-Loader image format	19:52
Pali	you will see that mcusw has similar/same header	19:52
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eddyb	please don't tell me google didn't gave me the right results because I didn't use a hyphen	19:52
Pali	it is somewhere on and-developers.com	19:53
Pali	motorola using omap3 too	19:54
Pali	so needs same x-loader image headers	19:54
eddyb	not this? https://github.com/bradfa/x-loader	19:54
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Pali	no	19:57
Pali	Omap HS X-Loader specification is not public	19:57
Pali	information about certificates & signatures for HS devices are not public	19:57
Pali	what I found was some RE info on and-developers.com	19:58
jacekowski	i've got signing software	19:58
Pali	ha, here it is: http://and-developers.com/partitions:isw	19:58
jacekowski	https://maemo.jacekowski.org/tools/	19:59
Pali	jacekowski, I think that it is possible to download signing SW from TI after registration	19:59
eddyb	Pali: thanks, that's much better	19:59
jacekowski	this thing can sign the software	19:59
Pali	but there is no infomration about formats	19:59
jacekowski	but you need the keys	19:59
Pali	no information about HS devices registers...	19:59
kerio	let's ship something in cssu that silently bruteforces the signing key for cmt	20:00
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Pali	kerio, better will be signing key for X-Loader	20:00
eddyb	kerio: hihihi	20:01
Pali	but we have nothing which can check if signature is correct	20:01
Pali	we do not have public key (which is burned into cpu)	20:01
Pali	what we have is signature glued into X-Loader binary	20:01
kerio	clearly, we'll have to constantly try to flash the signed firmwares :D	20:02
eddyb	Pali: oh	20:02
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jacekowski	nolo does some checking	20:03
jacekowski	but i don't remember if it was just checking if checksum is correct or signature	20:03
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Pali	jacekowski, what is NOLO doing with cmt?	20:18
Pali	it is something which is in kernel/userspace too?	20:18
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eddyb	Pali: I'm confused... the file is 0x5B0A80 bytes long, but the last entry ends at about 0x901B22	20:24
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eddyb	Pali: and the first one starts at 0x5F000, so there should be 0x8A2B22 bytes in the file	20:31
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nusse	hi	20:35
nusse	i bought a used n900, flashed RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, enabled rd-mode, tried to run apt-get dist-upgrade, phone rebooted and now i get "no initfs"	20:36
nusse	and i faile to flash again	20:36
nusse	what to do now?	20:36
kerio	nusse: haven't you noticed that dist-upgrade asked you to delete ~260 packages?	20:37
kerio	did you think that it was normal?	20:37
kerio	no initfs is normal, but the hell if you're going to be able to boot	20:37
kerio	flash again	20:37
kerio	btw, you flashed the wrong one	20:38
nusse	kerio: kerio it hasnt installed anything, was still downloading, it wasnt deleting 260 packages i think	20:38
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nusse	did i? please point me to the correct images	20:38
kerio	RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Latest Maemo 5 Global	20:39
nusse	right now i can't make the flasher recognize the phone, it just sits in "no initfs"	20:39
kerio	and RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Latest Vanilla version of the eMMC	20:39
kerio	so yeah, you've got the right VANILLA	20:39
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kerio	nusse: hm, i doubt you managed to fuck up the bootloader	20:40
kerio	are you absolutely sure that the flasher doesn't recognize the n900 anymore?	20:40
nusse	no	20:40
nusse	of course not	20:40
kerio	remove the battery, connect the usb cable, launch the flasher with the appropriate command, hold u, put the battery in	20:40
nusse	a usb device is showing up	20:40
nusse	New USB device found, idVendor=0421, idProduct=0106	20:41
kerio	yay	20:42
kerio	remember to follow the flashing guide quite closely	20:42
kerio	remove the battery between each flashing step	20:42
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nusse	that doesnt mean the flasher recognizes anything ;)	20:43
kerio	nusse: not even dist-upgrade can fuck a n900 up enough to require coldflashing	20:45
nusse	http://ix.io/4fx	20:45
kerio	are you using linux? blacklist cdc_phonet	20:46
kerio	try another usb cable	20:46
nusse	no such module loaded	20:46
kerio	yeah but blacklist it	20:46
kerio	autoloaders have a tendency to fuck this kind of thing up	20:46
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nusse	i havent even compiled it	20:49
nusse	so it recognizes something and puts it into flash mode but then nothing happens	20:49
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Skry	try as root	20:52
Skry	I had quite restrictive permissions on Arch by default	20:52
nusse	i'm root	20:53
nusse	i did successfully flash it 4h ago	20:53
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Pali	nusse, try to use usb1.0 or usb1.1 port	20:56
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Pali	I have big problems with my usb3.0 ports and sometimes usb2.0 port does not working too	20:57
nusse	i'll try another computer	20:57
Pali	nusse, and also: for eMMC flashing you need to have working rootfs	20:57
Pali	is your phone bootable?	20:58
Pali	if not, then rootfs is not working	20:58
Pali	so you cannot flash eMMC image	20:58
eddyb	Pali: I'm probably late. but I found something interesting at 0x87AF	20:58
nusse	Pali: no it is not booting	20:59
Pali	nusse: do: first flash combined image, reboot - but do not boot!, then flash eMMC image, reboot and then flash combined image again	20:59
eddyb	Pali: also something similar at 0xFFE1	21:00
Pali	eddyb: really, I'm not interesting in cmt firmware	21:00
Pali	it is something which I do not want to replace on my n900	21:00
Pali	it is also not possible due to strong signing key	21:01
eddyb	Pali: I'm trying to make sense of the values listed in the header	21:01
Pali	eddyb, I think that mcusw file is: some mcusw header, then x-loader header and then data	21:02
nusse	pali: yep, its working :)	21:02
Pali	eddyb, but information is useless	21:02
nusse	Pali: how can the initfs geht lost?	21:02
Pali	nusse: nokia decided to not use initfs anymore	21:03
nusse	shall i boot between flashing or not?	21:03
nusse	Pali: k	21:03
eddyb	Pali: yepp, and the x-loader header has triplets (offset, length, name). but I'm not sure how the offset works	21:03
Pali	no you should not boot between flashing	21:03
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nusse	so i wait some seconds and remove the battery?	21:03
Pali	if you boot phone between reboots you break phone again...	21:03
nusse	ok	21:04
Pali	nusse, after eMMC flashing is done, try reboot command from flasher	21:04
Pali	(if reboot command will not work, remove battery)	21:04
nusse	using -R?	21:04
nusse	but i flash the combined after that?	21:04
Pali	correct order is: combined, emmc, combined	21:05
nusse	yeah, understood that	21:05
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ludens	haha i just tried to do 'apt-get dist-upgrade'	21:07
ludens	it wanted remove all installed packages and install 5 new ones	21:07
nusse	so it seems to be booting, how do i upgrade now?	21:09
kerio	nusse: now you have PR1.3 installed	21:09
eddyb	gaaah	21:10
kerio	nusse: you decided to do this in the midst of a bigass server migration	21:10
kerio	so you have to set some mirrors up	21:10
eddyb	there's random NOLO strings throughout the first few KBs of the image. it's like "YOLO" staring at me	21:10
nusse	i tried to use a mirror	21:10
kerio	nusse: HAM won't like that, though	21:11
kerio	so you have to tell it to stfu	21:11
nusse	i used apt-get	21:11
kerio	yeah but you weren't supposed to use dist-upgrade :)	21:11
Pali	nusse, what do you want to upgrade?	21:11
nusse	upgrading is not possible btw without mount --bind something from mydocs to /var/cache/apt/archives	21:11
Pali	you have now last version	21:11
kerio	nusse: /var/cache/apt is already in /opt	21:11
kerio	and you don't need to upgrade much, really	21:11
kerio	it'll fit	21:11
nusse	really?	21:12
nusse	i guess since 2010 there were a lot of bugs	21:12
Pali	yes, already fixed	21:12
nusse	so i do want to upgrade?	21:12
Pali	what do you want to upgrade?	21:13
kerio	nusse: the only upgrade from nokia is just a security fix that's also included in cssu	21:13
Pali	nusse: only upgrade is to cssu	21:13
Pali	~cssu	21:13
infobot	i guess cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU	21:13
nusse	ah okay, so i want cssu	21:15
kerio	yep	21:15
nusse	thx	21:15
kerio	nusse: follow the installation steps closely	21:15
nusse	i've been just using the old n900 for two years not reinstalling anything, so i have no clue	21:15
kerio	especially the installation of backupmenu	21:15
nusse	do i need backups? i could just reflash	21:16
kerio	restoring a backup is a lot faster :)	21:16
nusse	ah no, flashing took maybe 5mins	21:16
kerio	and you can make one after installing cssu, too	21:17
kerio	and before tinkering with the system	21:17
kerio	and after tinkering with the system	21:17
nusse	no, i'm lazy	21:17
nusse	but repository.maemo.org seems still down	21:17
kerio	it's up, but so slow that it seems down	21:17
kerio	which is possibly even worse	21:17
kerio	add a mirror repo for extras	21:18
kerio	install backupmenu	21:18
kerio	you could do it in your sources.list, so you don't have to wait for HAM to do its thing	21:18
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nusse	what do i install after adding the extras repo?	21:24
kerio	"backupmenu"	21:25
kerio	seriously, it's good	21:25
kerio	install it, shut down, boot with the keyboard open, select backupmenu	21:25
kerio	(always backup both rootfs and optfs)	21:26
nusse	community-ssu-enabler :)	21:30
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kerio	nusse: to install cssu, enable a cssu mirror, install community-ssu-enabler, run community-ssu-enabler, update with HAM	21:30
kerio	or update with apt-get and then reboot	21:31
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nusse	kerio: thx	21:35
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lokimotive	hey	21:42
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kerio	hey	21:43
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nusse	so community-ssu-enabler removed the mirror i added and added maemo.org again	21:48
Pali	community-ssu-enabler adding its own repository	21:49
Pali	into "trusted" database	21:49
kerio	hm, it shouldn't remove the mirror... oh, did you add it to the file in sources.list.d?	21:49
kerio	that file gets overwritten by HAM all the time	21:50
kerio	nusse: HAM won't let you update from a mirror unless you tell it to do so	21:50
Pali	kerio, it removing only "http://repository.maemo.org/community/" repositories	21:50
nusse	can i install cssu without that crappy enabler? :)	21:53
kerio	nusse: you've ran the enabler	21:56
kerio	it's ok	21:56
kerio	now just add a mirror	21:56
kerio	and upgrade	21:56
kerio	either do it with apt, but it's unsupported	21:57
kerio	or enable HAM's redpill mode and disable "ignore packages from wrong domains" but it's unsupported too	21:58
kerio	or wait until warfare sets up cloudflare for rmo	21:58
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DocScrutinizer05	kerio: don't spread fud	22:00
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: see #maemo-ssu backscroll	22:01
kerio	also i thought you were away and you had a life and all sorts of stuff like that :P	22:01
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WizardNumberNext	very strange thing: I cannot charge, while n900 is on-on. It happily charge, while it is off and while bateery is almost full, bur not anywhere below 85%	22:06
kerio	that is strange, indeed	22:07
WizardNumberNext	it is third time it is happening	22:07
kerio	WizardNumberNext: try using a different charger	22:07
kerio	maybe the cable is busted and can't sustain a high enough current	22:07
WizardNumberNext	two "different" chargers	22:07
WizardNumberNext	I have two of each	22:08
WizardNumberNext	AC-10X	22:08
WizardNumberNext	AC-3X AC-8X and desktop	22:08
WizardNumberNext	and obviously computer	22:08
WizardNumberNext	would start with computer and see	22:08
kerio	how do you know that it's not charging?	22:08
WizardNumberNext	AC-3X is too weak and doesn't move it	22:08
WizardNumberNext	checking bq27200	22:09
WizardNumberNext	not to mention pernament green led	22:09
kerio	the green led is bme	22:09
kerio	or, rather, hald-addon-bme	22:09
WizardNumberNext	I have changed my led-pattern for chraging to red-orange-yellow-green	22:09
WizardNumberNext	I know - I think it might be bme fault, but...	22:10
WizardNumberNext	while I plug charger OS is getting up (till some point) anyway or at least it looks like	22:10
WizardNumberNext	but in this state it charges	22:11
lokimotive	are the ntfs drivers included with kernel-power51?	22:11
kerio	lokimotive: wtf are ntfs drivers?	22:11
Pali	ntfs is included	22:12
WizardNumberNext	he meant ntfs fs driver	22:12
WizardNumberNext	rather module	22:12
kerio	there's no such thing, or at least there should be no such thing	22:12
kerio	there's FUSE	22:12
kerio	Pali: ew, the read-only one?	22:12
Pali	yes there is kernel driver	22:12
WizardNumberNext	kerie: too later - it started to charge now	22:12
lokimotive	hm	22:12
Pali	by default yes	22:12
lokimotive	crap	22:12
WizardNumberNext	or at least was trying to	22:12
Pali	but you can mount it into rw mode too	22:12
kerio	Pali: no, i mean, the one that's heavily suggested to be used read-only	22:13
Pali	yes that	22:13
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: so what's to see on #maemo-ssu? That a silly service provider has bizzare ideas about domain ownership?	22:13
nusse	kerio: 168 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded	22:14
kerio	nusse: is this with an "apt-get upgrade"?	22:14
WizardNumberNext	kerio: on computer it doesn't charge as well	22:14
nusse	kerio: yes	22:14
kerio	you should really use HAM for this	22:14
nusse	but i'm not sure wether cssu is really enabled	22:14
kerio	nusse: apt-cache policy mp-fremantle-community-pr	22:14
kerio	it should be installed with version 0 or something	22:14
DocScrutinizer05	i'm not sure you ran cssu-enabler	22:14
DocScrutinizer05	[2013-02-02 20:53:25] <nusse> can i install cssu without that crappy enabler? :)	22:15
DocScrutinizer05	[2013-02-02 20:56:42] <kerio> nusse: you've ran the enabler	22:15
DocScrutinizer05	[2013-02-02 20:56:44] <kerio> it's ok	22:15
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: he doesn't have the repos anymore!	22:16
kerio	...except that maybe i was dead wrong	22:16
kerio	the repos are added by postinst	22:16
Pali	installing cssu can be installed only by enabler	22:16
kerio	nusse: run "sudo community-ssu-enabler"	22:16
Pali	enabler doing all needed	22:16
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kerio	Pali: except setting up mirrors and telling HAM to ignore domains	22:17
Pali	gpg key, ham catalogue	22:17
Pali	metapackage	22:17
kerio	Pali: are you sure? i thought that repos and domains were added by the postinst, and the enabler binary did the metapackage thing	22:17
Pali	I mean enabler package	22:18
wirr	btw, why nokia still haven't signed their repo with admin@maemo.research.nokia.com?	22:18
nusse	kerio: "already enabled"	22:18
kerio	wirr: because they're something that can't be expressed in a public, publicly-logged channel	22:18
Pali	wirr, because some manager in nokia must tell to developers: you can do that	22:18
kerio	nusse: you'll have to do this with HAM, i'm afraid	22:19
nusse	i think i dont like ham	22:19
kerio	nusse: put "red-pill 1" "red-pill-ignore-wrong-domains 0" "red-pill-permanent 1" in three lines in ~/.osso/hildon-application-manager	22:19
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* wirr wonders why he even asked...		22:20
kerio	(without quotes)	22:20
nusse	application manager show an cssu update	22:20
kerio	nusse: ...does it? :o	22:20
Pali	is r.m.o down??	22:20
kerio	Pali: rmo is slow enough to be somewhat useless right now	22:20
kerio	at least for me	22:20
nusse	nokia pc suite, wtf	22:21
kerio	nusse: indeed	22:22
nusse	"to update your device to this version you must use nokia pc suite"	22:22
kerio	nusse: close ham	22:22
kerio	wait for it to actually close	22:22
kerio	then create ~/.osso/hildon-application-manager as i said	22:22
nusse	ok	22:22
kerio	(i assume you want to install community-testing)	22:23
nusse	yes :)	22:25
kerio	then you'll have to also add an extras-testing or extras-devel mirror	22:25
kerio	because there's a problem in the current cssu-testing	22:25
lokimotive	could it be that there are problems with cssu-thumb and usb-mode?	22:26
kerio	add an extras-testing mirror, add a community-testing mirror, disable the standard community-testing, disable that extras mirror, wait 20 to 30 minutes for HAM to do whatever it thinks it should be doing, refresh, do system upgrade	22:29
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Pali	lxp1: ping	22:33
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nusse	kerio: i should be able to do all that also using vi and apt-get	22:36
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iluminator105	where is openssh package for n900, its not being found by my repos	22:38
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luf	Nice :D	23:10
luf	Get:28 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages [26,9MB]	23:10
luf	11% [28 Packages 3842283/26,9MB 14%] 241B/s 1d 13h16min30s	23:10
kerio	hahaha	23:10
luf	I think kerio adviced to be patient and calm :D	23:10
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eddyb	hah	23:25
eddyb	what's this? http://www.52rd.com/bbs/Dispbbs.asp?BoardID=8&ID=132730	23:25
WizardNumberNext	luf: you are a lot further then me	23:25
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luf	WizardNumberNext: I'm just waiting 2 hours ... :D	23:26
WizardNumberNext	I chisgarged my battery twice	23:26
luf	I'm using net over usb :D	23:26
WizardNumberNext	s/chisgarged/discharged/	23:26
infobot	WizardNumberNext meant: I discharged my battery twice	23:26
WizardNumberNext	might an idea	23:27
WizardNumberNext	s/might/might be/	23:27
infobot	WizardNumberNext meant: might be an idea	23:27
WizardNumberNext	sorry my brain is dead whole day and even 2 litres of extra-strong green tea doesn't help	23:28
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* WizardNumberNext might be becoming zombie		23:28
luf	WizardNumberNext: :D Nothing helps better than sleeping :D	23:29
WizardNumberNext	luf: an hour after waking up?	23:29
WizardNumberNext	ok, now it is 12 hours, but my brain should be pretty much alive for next 2 days on that amount of green tea	23:30
lokimotive	s//x/	23:30
lokimotive	:(	23:30
WizardNumberNext	lokimotive: what the hell are you trying to do?	23:30
lokimotive	sorry i just had to try	23:30
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WizardNumberNext	exchange nothin for somthing - I wish i could do that!	23:31
WizardNumberNext	would be very nice	23:31
WizardNumberNext	I would be rich	23:31
WizardNumberNext	s//money/	23:31
WizardNumberNext	lokimotive - I have to try it out on real sed	23:32
WizardNumberNext	but I m afraid I would run out of paper soon	23:32
WizardNumberNext	ink - I have for another 750 sheets	23:32
lokimotive	exaclty 750 sheets?	23:34
lokimotive	s/exaclty/exactly/	23:34
infobot	lokimotive meant: exactly 750 sheets?	23:34
lokimotive	tehee	23:34
luf	WizardNumberNext: it's the worst one hour after waking up :D	23:34
WizardNumberNext	not sure - I have put something like 300-350 sheets into drawer	23:34
WizardNumberNext	I had 500, how much i have now? No idea, but, when I would use all this, then I still would have ink for another 500 sheets. I have office monster	23:38
kerio	eddyb: what's that?	23:38
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lokimotive	hm i need a laser printer	23:39
eddyb	kerio: nothing interesting, sadly	23:39
WizardNumberNext	lokimotive: mine is HP OJ PRO 8500A Plus (910N)	23:39
WizardNumberNext	sorry 910A	23:39
lokimotive	atm i only have an hp deskjet and every time i set it up either only scanning works or only printing	23:40
WizardNumberNext	mine does everything	23:41
WizardNumberNext	but I have spend more then 100 after finding it on street	23:42
WizardNumberNext	was worth every single pence I spend on it - new from hp is 280gbp	23:43
lokimotive	:)	23:44
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