IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2013-01-30

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DocScrutinizer05	qwazix: small update, we came from some 20 physical servers plus Akamai server farm, the current config already is massively consolidated by Nemein	00:15
qwazix	haha, DocScrutinizer05 you've been reading me feeding the trolls?	00:18
qwazix	I can update that ok	00:18
M4rtinK	and it is actually faster now ? :)	00:19
M4rtinK	interesting	00:19
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, and what is with email to nokia??	00:19
DocScrutinizer05	I don't know of any email to nokia	00:19
Pali	about gpg key	00:19
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Pali	if you do not have time, I will write response	00:20
Pali	we really want working downloads.maemo.nokia.com	00:20
DocScrutinizer05	I think somebody said it's not my business, during last council meeting	00:21
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: ...i recall you telling MT that you would be doing it	00:21
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, somebody who got thay mail should answer to nokia ASAP	00:22
Pali	kerio, who is MT?	00:22
kerio	MentalistTraceur	00:22
Pali	hm, is online?	00:22
DocScrutinizer05	also I never seen any proper request for any particular mail to nokia, except that guy in maemo-ssu mentioning "if such a mail explaining impact to the mail thread ... und desk... would help"	00:22
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kerio	he doesn't do IRC very much	00:22
Pali	any other contact?	00:23
DocScrutinizer05	and I honestly don't see why council is in charge to write such mail	00:23
Pali	if nobody has time to write mail, I will do it again	00:23
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: it seems that MT is the one to do so, alright	00:23
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, because council got email from nokia?	00:23
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: because nokia probably doesn't give a crap, but we do	00:23
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kerio	and council is somewhat "official"	00:24
DocScrutinizer05	if you're so eager to take that "...would help" for a request for a further mail, go ahead and send it	00:24
kerio	btw, have any of you heard from that akuma guy again?	00:24
DocScrutinizer05	council is your ambassador, not your secretary	00:25
freemangordon	hmm?	00:25
M4rtinK	akuma ?	00:25
Pali	TO & CC in GPG mail from nokia: me, DocScrutinizer05, ivgalvez, council and board	00:26
freemangordon	fuck, MO is down again :(	00:26
DocScrutinizer05	the nokia guy who said he'll come back to that "nice helpful channel" on monday	00:26
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, so really only one of ^^^ can answer to email	00:26
kerio	freemangordon: worksforme, just slow	00:26
freemangordon	kerio: no	00:27
freemangordon	does not work	00:27
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: FFS I already DID answer to that mail	00:27
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DocScrutinizer05	and I went out of loop when he added you to the CC	00:27
DocScrutinizer05	so WTF am I suddenly in the loop again? Anything you need me for?	00:28
Pali	when will be gpg key fixed	00:28
DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon: kerio: yes, it's strange. wget works in just 2s instead of 0.9, ssh to firewall works like a charm, but browser takes 20s again here, to load&render ~flashing	00:29
DocScrutinizer05	I'll give the FW another boot	00:30
qwazix	I thought that guy on tmo was actually not knowing the situation and saying things, but he's a real troll. I hope that at least some members found some useful info in my posts and it wasn't an utter waste of breath. Somebody's gotta ban him.	00:30
kerio	qwazix: oh, who?	00:30
qwazix	kerio, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88659&page=10	00:31
M4rtinK	maybe its some old troll with a canned identity ?	00:31
qwazix	Joined on Aug 2010, most posts today	00:32
qwazix	That's not impossible	00:32
qwazix	also the verbiage reminds me of something	00:33
M4rtinK	weird, the other posts look quite sane	00:33
qwazix	though most trolls sound about the same. One post in three completely rational and others out of line	00:33
M4rtinK	other than to the outage thread	00:33
DocScrutinizer05	chem\|st: two requests already to ban piotr asshat	00:33
qwazix	yep	00:33
qwazix	btw is there a post limit or sth for uploading avatar on tmo? anybody knows?	00:35
DocScrutinizer05	ok, seems none of nemein's or maemo's sysops/admins is active. I have to reboot that friggin FW before nobody can do it anymore	00:37
qwazix	go ahead and reboot it for now, IMO	00:38
DocScrutinizer05	I'd really like to investigate a bit for some stinking values in some syslog or /sys/ or /proc/, but I have no clue about that stuff	00:38
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qwazix	maybe you could tar /var/log altogether and somebody who knows will look at it when available?	00:39
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DocScrutinizer05	so I give it another reboot before I go afk again, I'm really not fit to deal with all that stuff anymore, need some time off. the last 3 weeks were too much	00:40
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DocScrutinizer05	and guys like piotr are just the icing on top	00:40
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kerio	DocScrutinizer05: the phrase "haters gonna hate" comes to mind	00:40
FIQ	he's just going trolololol	00:41
FIQ	nothing serious	00:41
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FIQ	I guess	00:41
DocScrutinizer05	FW booted	00:42
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DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon: all back to normal?	00:43
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: yep	00:44
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FIQ	i'm a little curious here	00:44
FIQ	I've noticed you've had major problems with repository.maemo.org	00:44
FIQ	how come nokia didn't? stronger servers?	00:45
DocScrutinizer05	please ping me like tsunami coming when it gets slow/down again, since then it's absolutely last time I can reboot it, a 30min later even my login stalls	00:45
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qwazix	FIQ: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1318844&postcount=113	00:46
qwazix	of course the attack at the bottom isn't going to you but the troll that I was replying to	00:46
FIQ	I see	00:47
DocScrutinizer05	~botsnack	00:47
infobot	DocScrutinizer05: thanks	00:47
FIQ	can you solve it or is the repo screwed?	00:47
FIQ	(in practice)	00:47
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FIQ	I guess however it goes the repositories will probably never be as stable as they were before	00:48
DocScrutinizer05	~repo-down	00:48
infobot	rumour has it, repo-down is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-20.log.html#t2013-01-20T02:08:42	00:48
qwazix	repo is fine as far as I know, but it requires some firewall wizardry	00:48
qwazix	so that traffic is well throttled	00:49
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FIQ	I guess it will end up slower than before the migration but working	00:50
M4rtinK	FIQ: and someone can also finally try to fix some of the long-term issues	00:50
DocScrutinizer05	current state is: [2013-01-28 10:41:00] <mashiara> ok, stage now has an external vif that is configured but not up, local iptables needs still to be configured.	00:51
M4rtinK	such as the autobuilder outage	00:51
qwazix	Not necessarily as there are about 40000 operational N900's not that a big number	00:51
M4rtinK	once the repos are online of course	00:51
qwazix	it's just that the system was set up with a different config in mind	00:51
qwazix	That's speculation though, my technical skills aren't that good to predict what'll happen	00:52
DocScrutinizer05	for now all our problems stem from friggin firewall I just rebooted	00:52
DocScrutinizer05	it obviously goes bonkers even without repo being up, but with repo traffic it's down instantly	00:53
M4rtinK	weird	00:54
kerio	is akamai still all up in our grill?	00:55
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DocScrutinizer05	akamai serverfarm seems to have shut down. AIUI it's same servers that host tablets-dev	00:59
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DocScrutinizer05	last thursday iirc we seen DNS changes to remove stage.maemo.org and turn tmo from CNAME into A record	01:03
kerio	so... what's bringing everything to its knees whenever rmo is enabled again?	01:03
kerio	the n900s aren't all constantly hammering the repo	01:03
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DocScrutinizer05	kerio: I don't know. I think it's mere traffix	01:03
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DocScrutinizer05	the FW needed 14h for *.m.o without repo to take it down	01:04
DocScrutinizer05	with enabling repo this happens during minutes	01:04
kerio	what the fuck	01:05
kerio	so... what do we do?	01:05
DocScrutinizer05	[2013-01-28 10:41:00] <mashiara> ok, stage now has an external vif that is configured but not up, local iptables needs still to be configured.	01:06
DocScrutinizer05	though that FW POS needs fixing too, I'm not eager brkn caqlling me DocReboot now	01:07
FIQ	DocScrutinizer05: do some shell kung-fu and set an interval to fw reboot? :d	01:07
DocScrutinizer05	cronjob	01:08
FIQ	ye	01:08
DocScrutinizer05	[2013-01-29 08:45:22] <aslani> but there's something weird going on since, xen says IP address of that machine in "unknown"	01:09
DocScrutinizer05	odds are Nemein prefers to move the VM to our iron, rather than fixing that on their xen-grid	01:12
DocScrutinizer05	no FW on our server too, I guess	01:12
kerio	bleh, yet another migration	01:12
kerio	i hadn't realized this	01:12
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: and not the last one	01:14
DocScrutinizer05	since we need to migrate to something we really can afford, those srvers still are >500EUR/month for CoLo	01:14
DocScrutinizer05	and they're possibly just a tad too weak for our whole infra	01:15
DocScrutinizer05	so the plan is to get the iron handed over from Nemein at end of Feb the latest, hopefully with all the VM moved on those server(s), and then run them for a month or two during which we migrate a third time, this time to rented or free hw, like e.g. at osuosl.org	01:17
DocScrutinizer05	or Hetzner	01:17
DocScrutinizer05	we can't afford run our own hw on CoLo, figure what happens if blue magic smoke escapes	01:19
DocScrutinizer05	whole *.m.o would go down same sacond, and when or if it ever comes up again is up to anybody's guess	01:20
DocScrutinizer05	so we need rented hardware, like e.g. Hetzner root servers, which also are cheaper than same power on CoLo with our own hw donated by Nokia	01:21
DocScrutinizer05	and no, there are none of the obvious better optons available to us, like e.g. getting the money for the servers instead of the iron, from Nokia	01:22
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DocScrutinizer05	neither could we make Nemein migrate to other infra e.g at hetzner, directly. at least I doubt they will do that. They might do migration of the VM from their xen-grid to the irons Nokia donated to us, since everything else just looks too silly and useless	01:24
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DocScrutinizer05	~repo-down	01:52
infobot	rumour has it, repo-down is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-20.log.html#t2013-01-20T02:08:42	01:52
DocScrutinizer05	infobot: repo-down is also http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-30.log.html#t2013-01-30T00:51:04	01:52
infobot	okay, DocScrutinizer05	01:52
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dimir	In my n900 a Phone app launches on Desktop rotation. Any ideas how to turn that thing off?	02:19
Lava_Croft	in the phone app itself	02:19
Lava_Croft	it has a menu at the top	02:19
dimir	haha	02:20
dimir	thanks a lot Lava_Croft!	02:20
Lava_Croft	no problem!	02:20
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dimir	And what about disabling Desktop rotation?	02:23
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Lava_Croft	http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools	02:24
Lava_Croft	in there	02:24
Lava_Croft	near the bottom	02:24
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dimir	The "gconftool-2 --set /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/ui_can_rotate -t bool false && reboot" thing?	02:27
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dimir	OK, rebooting...	02:29
dimir	Lava_Croft: Oh man, that worked! Thanks again! :-)	02:31
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dimir	So, while at it, is there a way to disable intro sound on boot?	02:37
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dimir	I mean the Nokia jingle.	02:37
dimir	I'm OK with the video, I just want to disable sound.	02:38
dimir	And when it wasn't Silent after last boot.	02:38
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DocScrutinizer05	I only know how to replace (or nuke) the complete video	02:53
DocScrutinizer05	again see my tools page	02:53
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DocScrutinizer05	you could edit the shaking hands video on your PC, remove the sound, and replace the original with that edited one	02:54
DocScrutinizer05	but honestly simply nuking the whole video is way simpler than to mute it	02:55
DocScrutinizer05	dimir: btw that gconf setting vanishes as soon as you touch the orientation-lock in status menu	02:56
DocScrutinizer05	you have to redo it after that	02:56
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Psi	anyone know what codec/codecs the stock n900 mediaplayer can decode in hardware from a upnp server?	03:16
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DocScrutinizer05	oooh, good question	04:08
DocScrutinizer05	the "in hardware" detail makes answering a bit tricky :-)	04:08
DocScrutinizer05	I'm sure you are aware this is basically a question related to mafw	04:10
DocScrutinizer05	and PA	04:10
DocScrutinizer05	http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Multimedia_Domain#Audio_Subsystem	04:12
DocScrutinizer05	Psi: ^^^	04:16
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DocScrutinizer05	FYI: http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure#Introduction updated/augmented	05:34
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Psi	DocScrutinizer05: thanks	07:50
DocScrutinizer05	Psi: yw	07:51
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DocScrutinizer05	sorry I can't recall better details, somebody else here might know though	07:52
DocScrutinizer05	there are some PA / gst plugins known to operate on DSP, others are just AP	07:52
DocScrutinizer05	wait, I got one loosely related article for you...	07:53
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DocScrutinizer05	yay, sometimes it takes a while to locate the bookmark i'm searching for: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2009/11/07/n900-battery-duration-ogg-vs-mp3/	07:57
RST38h	ah, that link...	07:59
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kerio	iirc mafw doesn't do hardware-accelerated audio	08:08
kerio	only video	08:08
DocScrutinizer05	in the end who knows for sure	08:10
DocScrutinizer05	though http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Multimedia_Domain#Audio_Subsystem says that usually all codecs run on AP, for avoiding overhead and latency of passing stuff to DSP	08:12
DocScrutinizer05	which probably makes sense	08:12
DocScrutinizer05	Psi: why is it important for you to know if the codec runs on hw or in sw?	08:13
kerio	...holy crap, that's a complicated setup	08:14
kerio	anyway, i'd like dsp music playback - i don't care much about that kind of latency, and it would leave the cpu a bit more free for other tasks	08:15
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Psi	DocScrutinizer05: i want to setup upnp access to digital tv on my phone. But im not sure what to transcode the dvbt feed into	08:17
Psi	it works if i use MPEG1 but that's not very good	08:18
DocScrutinizer05	ooh damn, you're talking about video codecs	08:18
Psi	ya	08:18
DocScrutinizer05	:-)	08:18
DocScrutinizer05	http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Multimedia_Domain#Image_Codecs_and_Filters	08:19
kerio	might wanna ask freemangordon too	08:19
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DocScrutinizer05	or rather http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Multimedia_Domain#Video_Codecs	08:20
DocScrutinizer05	I think only h.263 (or 4?) baseline is supported	08:21
DocScrutinizer05	what this means for your myriad of container formats... don't ask me	08:22
Psi	yeah	08:23
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DocScrutinizer05	I think on wiki there are some articles about transcoding video for playback on N900. maybe search for "handbrake" iirc	08:25
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DocScrutinizer05	tmo might also have some threads about that topic	08:25
NitaChan	Does anyone know if the maemo.org repos are down permanently? I haven't been able to access them at all for the last two days on my N900	08:26
NitaChan	Also, what's that about transcoding?	08:26
DocScrutinizer05	~repo-down	08:26
infobot	i guess repo-down is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-20.log.html#t2013-01-20T02:08:42	08:26
DocScrutinizer05	huh?	08:26
DocScrutinizer05	damn	08:27
DocScrutinizer05	~_default repo-down	08:27
infobot	i heard repo-down is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-30.log.html#t2013-01-30T00:51:04	08:27
DocScrutinizer05	~#maemo repo-down is also http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-30.log.html#t2013-01-30T00:51:04	08:28
infobot	okay, DocScrutinizer05	08:28
DocScrutinizer05	~repo-down	08:28
infobot	rumour has it, repo-down is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-20.log.html#t2013-01-20T02:08:42, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-30.log.html#t2013-01-30T00:51:04	08:28
DocScrutinizer05	~forget _default repo-down	08:28
infobot	i didn't have anything called '_default repo-down' to forget, DocScrutinizer05	08:28
DocScrutinizer05	grrr	08:28
DocScrutinizer05	~forget repo-down	08:28
infobot	i forgot repo-down, DocScrutinizer05	08:28
DocScrutinizer05	~repo-down	08:28
infobot	repo-down is probably http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-20.log.html#t2013-01-20T02:08:42, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-30.log.html#t2013-01-30T00:51:04	08:28
DocScrutinizer05	~literal repo-down	08:29
infobot	"#maemo repo-down" is "http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-20.log.html#t2013-01-20T02:08:42, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-30.log.html#t2013-01-30T00:51:04"	08:29
DocScrutinizer05	~_default repo-down	08:30
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DocScrutinizer05	wow, nitachan been a visitor in a hurry, eh?	08:34
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DocScrutinizer05	~mirrors	08:36
infobot	i guess mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143	08:36
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freemangordon	kerio: mafw uses playbin2, so it is up to gstreamer to decide which codec	09:21
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chem\|st	DocScrutinizer05: I am three monkeys! and th fsck I hate those lazy bstrds not reading a top posted visible everywhere notice on tmo...	11:20
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chem\|st	DocScrutinizer05: and who complains... having 2 out of 700 active users complain is fairly not enough	11:21
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DocScrutinizer05	hooh, what's up?	11:21
chem\|st	I had sex till 5 slept 4 hours and had not enough coffee	11:21
DocScrutinizer05	lol	11:21
chem\|st	or do you mean those lazy basterds	11:22
DocScrutinizer05	yep	11:22
RST38h	snow	11:22
chem\|st	most real mail to webmaster is people not reading http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88707	11:22
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DocScrutinizer05	set up an autoresponder "please read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88707 and include first 3 words of first post to your mail subject, or otherwise... spam-folder, Thank you for your cooperation"	11:23
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer05: would you mind and give me numbers on which posts I delete to have only valid info in this thread	11:23
DocScrutinizer05	sure, no problem	11:24
chem\|st	thedead1440: please update the starting post to become realy for dummies	11:24
chem\|st	even I am confused	11:24
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chem\|st	starting post has to be a guide to __ONE__	11:25
thedead1440	chem\|st: are you confused due to lack of sleep?	11:25
chem\|st	not 3 mirrors pls	11:25
thedead1440	ah you want me to remove the other 2; ok	11:26
chem\|st	thedead1440: nope because I got my brain fucked out 4 hours ago...	11:26
thedead1440	:-D	11:26
chem\|st	thedead1440: make it realy for dummies	11:26
chem\|st	having the first and second mirror not working properly the other day made things worse	11:27
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chem\|st	ping me when you are done, I will stick and lock it	11:28
chem\|st	is sticked ok then I will lock it	11:28
thedead1440	done ;) read it first	11:28
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chem\|st	you may provide a link to some webIRC with preset credentials to join #maemo	11:29
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thedead1440	done again	11:30
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chem\|st	nice ;)	11:31
chem\|st	thedead1440: thanks!	11:31
chem\|st	as you ask for reply I do not close it	11:31
thedead1440	no probs :-) as it is you have another topic going to require your attention on TMO :D	11:31
thedead1440	its better for all n00bs to post there instead of new threads	11:31
DocScrutinizer05	chem\|st: sorry, backward... 137-136, 134-114, (113?), 112-91 on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88659	11:31
DocScrutinizer05	ooh, i'm afraid you're talking about another thread	11:32
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer05: and you may update your migration thread to have current status only I know people like a changelog but that is not needed here I think	11:33
DocScrutinizer05	hmm, i'd rather stop the whole thread	11:34
DocScrutinizer05	start a new one	11:34
thedead1440	or he can keep the changelog chem\|st and bold and underline the current status on the top of his post (don't make the old man delete things he'll hit you :p)	11:34
RST38h	better bring the official repos back online	11:34
chem\|st	hehe	11:34
RST38h	because no tmo thread will ever solve the problem	11:34
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer05: yeah... you might...not!	11:35
DocScrutinizer05	RST38h: i ahppily hand over that duty to you	11:35
DocScrutinizer05	good luck	11:35
chem\|st	anticron like thedead1440 said latest first	11:35
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RST38h	Doc: Can I also have a BFG-9000?	11:35
* chem\|st slaps RST38h with a wet trout coverd with tiny mirror pieces		11:36
DocScrutinizer05	rather than bitching at me re repo which I / we CANT fix since it's Nemein's domain, you should enjoy lightning fast firewall since our new magician warfare touched it	11:37
DocScrutinizer05	...and swoooosh I'm gone again	11:38
* RST38h once again hears "Nemein" in relation to things not working		11:39
* RST38h has never heard "Nemein" in relation to anything properly working, in fact		11:39
DocScrutinizer05	http://wiki.maemo.org/Migrating_to_Community-driven_Infrastructure	11:40
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DocScrutinizer05	basically everything that works on *.m.o now is thanks to Nemein	11:41
DocScrutinizer05	except FW and tmo where "we" helped" a bit (more)	11:42
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: lol, FW is supposed to be ok now?	11:43
freemangordon	nice	11:43
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DocScrutinizer05	it seems to behave since 11h, and the tweaks warfare did are plausible	11:43
freemangordon	damn, it seems like it is ok, lets see how it will continue	11:44
freemangordon	kudos to warfare :)	11:44
cehteh	are the repos back under normal names?	11:44
DocScrutinizer05	alas i'm not able to start up repo.m.o VM	11:44
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: we need nemein?	11:45
freemangordon	to start that VM that is	11:45
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DocScrutinizer05	yes, Eero resp "the grid guy" are exposing repo to bypass FW - even when it might work with FW as well now	11:45
freemangordon	yep	11:45
freemangordon	what was it, too small conntrack table?	11:46
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DocScrutinizer05	and I have no access to the host, only to the VMs running on the host. So if a VM is "powered down" I can't stat it	11:46
freemangordon	yeah :(	11:46
DocScrutinizer05	too small conntrack and some other timeout and buffer size settings	11:46
freemangordon	makes sense	11:47
DocScrutinizer05	mompl	11:47
DocScrutinizer05	echo 32768 > /sys/module/nf_conntrack/parameters/hashsize	11:47
DocScrutinizer05	echo 256000 > /proc/sys/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_max	11:47
DocScrutinizer05	echo 10 > /proc/sys/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_tcp_timeout_time_wait	11:47
DocScrutinizer05	echo 10 > /proc/sys/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_tcp_timeout_unacknowledged	11:47
DocScrutinizer05	echo 600 > /proc/sys/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_tcp_timeout_established	11:47
freemangordon	I see :)	11:48
DocScrutinizer05	the latter 3 probably were insanely high	11:48
DocScrutinizer05	and aiui hashsize been 16M	11:48
freemangordon	maybe repos will make it through FW	11:48
DocScrutinizer05	would, but the FW port forward got scrapped	11:49
DocScrutinizer05	and the general IP/network config is already changed	11:49
freemangordon	aah, ok	11:49
freemangordon	well, once we have the full control, I guess that could be fixed	11:50
DocScrutinizer05	[2013-01-28 10:41:00] <mashiara> ok, stage now has an external vif that is configured but not up, local iptables needs still to be configured.	11:50
DocScrutinizer05	I hope they will finish on that task today	11:50
freemangordon	BTW is FW a box or VM?	11:51
DocScrutinizer05	VM	11:51
freemangordon	ok. thanks for the info :)	11:51
DocScrutinizer05	yw	11:51
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tekno__	;)	12:15
tekno__	:)	12:17
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tekno__	?	12:19
tekno__	infobot	12:19
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mad_dev	i know this might sound, insulting...to some extent. but when will this grim go away.	12:41
mad_dev	ok	12:42
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freemangordon	romaxa: why github wants all 3 commits I did merged? I want only one(gstreamer). How to do that?	12:46
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freemangordon	this is stupid :(	12:51
freemangordon	seems I have to create a separate branch for every commit I want merged. Madness :)	12:57
freemangordon	ooh, it seems I can't remove that pull request either. how nice :mad:	12:59
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tadzik	freemangordon: you can just cherry-pick them, no?	13:02
tadzik	I don't quite see the problem. You're the merger, or the mergee?	13:03
freemangordon	tadzik: sure, put that is not the point	13:03
freemangordon	mergee	13:03
freemangordon	I want my changes murged "upstream"	13:03
tadzik	ah, so you can't open a pull request for just one commit?	13:03
tadzik	is that what you mean?	13:03
freemangordon	I was thinking github works in the same way as gitorious, on gitorious you create merge request with commits you want merged	13:04
freemangordon	tadzik: yep	13:04
tadzik	on github you do pull requests on branches, yes	13:04
tadzik	"Please pull this branch into your master"	13:04
freemangordon	this is madness	13:04
tadzik	well, is it	13:04
freemangordon	and the worst thing is that I can;t withdraw that pull request in order to fix it :D	13:05
tadzik	doesn't Linux workflow go the same way, with people creating for-linus branches?	13:05
tadzik	You should be able to just close it	13:05
tadzik	or maybe only the merger can do that ;f	13:05
freemangordon	I guess I can	13:05
freemangordon	I have merger rigths	13:05
freemangordon	ooh, I can't close it either	13:07
freemangordon	I can merge it, but can't close it. fuck	13:08
mad_dev	ahh...git, it seems you have another victim	13:10
freemangordon	it is not git to blame, but github	13:12
tadzik	yeah, blame git	13:12
freemangordon	no, why git?	13:12
tadzik	that was ironic	13:12
freemangordon	aah :D	13:12
mad_dev	it was linus who wrote git, right?	13:13
tadzik	yeah	13:14
mad_dev	i remember watching a talk he did at google. he basicly trashed all other systems and declared that git is supreme. arogant, yet true.	13:16
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freemangordon	oooh, I managed to close it	13:18
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kerio	darcs is much, much better than git, though	13:45
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freemangordon	romaxa: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=836243	13:49
povbot_	Bug 836243: was not found.	13:49
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DocScrutinizer51	~botsnack	15:12
infobot	:), DocScrutinizer51	15:12
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DocScrutinizer51	warfare: ping	15:46
ShadowX	Destination host unreachable :P	15:58
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warfare	DocScrutinizer51: pong	16:33
DocScrutinizer05	warfare: false alarm. thedead1440 reported laggy firewall again, but my checks during last 5 min didn't show anything particularly bad	16:34
warfare	'k :)	16:34
warfare	ShadowX: just high latency.	16:36
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DocScrutinizer05	warfare: could you install a cronjob that checks every hour for either you or me logged in via ssh, and does a shutdown -r "now + 300s" if neither of us is?	16:37
DocScrutinizer05	this way we would recover from complete lockup of IF after some 2 hours the latest	16:38
kerio	a dead man's switch? neat	16:39
warfare	DocScrutinizer05: the cron daemon on endian is strange (to be freindly}	16:40
cehteh	DocScrutinizer05: there is the watchdogd which i used to ping a servers router and if not reset the server, could that work for you too?	16:40
warfare	cehteh: I'll have a look into that.	16:41
cehteh	the watchdogd can do a lot more and with hardware or kernel-software watchdog its really hard to lock a system up	16:41
cehteh	(but at worst you can go into a reboot loop when you configure something wrong and cant fix that in time, be careful :))	16:42
warfare	I know that from my wrap board ;)	16:42
cehteh	good :)	16:42
ShadowX	warfare, i was just joking around :P i'm bored xD	16:44
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warfare	ShadowX: me too ;) At least the wireless seems to work for longer than 5 minutes.	16:45
DocScrutinizer51	warfare: if crond is borked, use a while sleep 3600; do...; done	16:45
ShadowX	hate wireless :P all those bits speeding around my head all the time :P	16:46
ShadowX	anyway it seems the fw will make more trouble then help ...(if you'll need to reboot it every 2h when there's no one around in him) ....why not just remove it?	16:46
DocScrutinizer51	because that's not our call	16:47
DocScrutinizer51	it's still Nemein's sandbox	16:47
ShadowX	Hah. :) good reason	16:47
ShadowX	btw flushing and reloading the rules dosnt help?	16:48
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DocScrutinizer05	ShadowX: nfc, I'm a noob on that fw stuff, I have an idea about the theory at best	16:52
ShadowX	kernel version?	16:53
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ShadowX	Can you pastebin - dmesg (when it starts making problems) and iptables --list-rules ?	16:55
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Skry	seen perioidical flushing and reloading of rules "solve" quite a few mysterious fw probs before, mostly with 2.6.x kernels	17:01
ShadowX	mmm.... i think only one of them can be counted as 'mysterius'	17:02
ShadowX	and it was fixed ....somewhere around 2.6.32 (i may be wrong about the version)	17:02
Skry	well, generally speaking, probably not uptodate what's happening	17:02
ShadowX	some tables was growing till fail :]	17:02
Skry	yeah, vaque memory of something like that	17:03
Skry	thank something have not had to touch that stuff in years :)	17:03
ShadowX	Skry, no no my point was that every other problem (except ^) was pretty much not so mysterius ...it takes some time to find out why it happens the first time you see it , but iptables is a good boy and tells most of the stuff in the logs	17:03
ShadowX	iptables - good puppy :D	17:04
Skry	infinite snacks to iptables!	17:05
ShadowX	:P	17:05
ShadowX	that said, iptables+l7 filtering sucks.(	17:06
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n900-dk	Do you have monitoring for connection table?	17:33
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warfare	n900-dk: Yes. Someone upped tcp buffers to 16M, that could also have been an issue.	17:37
n900-dk	so the 16M limit is reached after some time?	17:39
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warfare	No, every tcp connection to (not through) the firewall, takes up 16M of memory. Pair that with an ajaxy webfrontend and onlx 1G of memory -> boom.	17:41
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n900-dk	whoops - Is it possible to limit the number of connections per. source IP?	17:43
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ShadowX	y, but with some limitations.	17:45
n900-dk	guess all this limiting was already given a shot..	17:48
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DocScrutinizer05	Mem: 1030464k total, 346032k used, 684432k free, 96988k buffers	18:17
DocScrutinizer05	been at 824444k free 6h ago	18:18
freemangordon	qwazix: OMG, latest embedLite plays http://learningwebgl.com/lessons/lesson05/index.html with GL acceleration, at ~ 11 fps. Without my optimisations, lets see how it will be with them :)	18:18
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kerio	free ram is wasted ram, though	18:18
kerio	maybe it's buffers?	18:18
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: this is a FIREWALL	18:19
DocScrutinizer05	wtf should it buffer?	18:19
DocScrutinizer05	/dev/hda1 1.4G 439M 896M 33% /	18:20
DocScrutinizer05	/dev/mapper/local-config 99M 4.6M 89M 5% /var/efw	18:21
DocScrutinizer05	/dev/mapper/local-log 2.8G 115M 2.5G 5% /var/log	18:21
DocScrutinizer05	any questions?	18:21
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DocScrutinizer05	somebody, dunno was it xes, khm, or wirr, mentioned full virtualization vs paravirtualization, and possible incompatibilities between the VMs NIC kernel driver and the hosts XEN NIC emulation	18:25
DocScrutinizer05	afk, bbl	18:26
n900-dk	but isn't there a configured limit for total number of connections in the endian fw? Or is it only limited by ram?	18:26
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Ex-Opesa	Hi. I am facing some issue with kasvopus, whenever I run the program, it shows "error loading page". Wifi is working fine. While on the other n900 it is working very well. :S	18:37
Ex-Opesa	I have tried google but couldn't find the solution	18:40
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romaxa	freemangordon: ping	19:03
freemangordon	romaxa: pong	19:03
romaxa	freemangordon: I guess clipping still required, because for example if you add this code http://doc.qt.digia.com/4.7/qpainter.html#beginNativePainting, as in example, then it will over-paint toolbar...	19:04
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romaxa	freemangordon: also glClear need to be calculated properly in order to not overpaint toolbar context	19:05
freemangordon	romaxa: I guess we can fix it by setting the correct rectangle to be composited on, now it always starts at 0,0	19:05
freemangordon	re glClear - yes, I think to enable GL_SCISSOR_TEST before glClear	19:06
freemangordon	romaxa: BTW I found why QGLContext::currentContext() is NULL	19:07
freemangordon	on fremantle you need to show() the widget for it to be created	19:08
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freemangordon	I guess it is the same on desktop, though I can;t test it	19:08
romaxa	freemangordon: ah ok... on desktop we don't do GL rendering because GLX provider does not know how to render into existing context	19:10
freemangordon	romaxa: I was thinking to move if (QGLContext::currentContext()) {d->mContext->GetApp()->SetIsAccelerated(true); } from constructor to event(QEvent* event) and do the check in case QEvent::Show:	19:10
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freemangordon	romaxa: any objections?	19:11
romaxa	freemangordon: no objections	19:11
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freemangordon	romaxa: ok, will push to https://github.com/tmeshkova/mozilla-central directly, as I need that fixed in order to be able to make further pull requests	19:12
romaxa	freemangordon: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2097612 - I tried this code, it works on portrait mode but not on landscape :)... need to do some debugging, if you can make function which render background color there would be nice	19:13
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romaxa	freemangordon: you can push gsreamer changes	19:14
freemangordon	romaxa: exactly the code I was thining of :D. however, I guess you need to swap width/heigth (and maybe x/y)	19:14
freemangordon	romaxa: I did a pull request, you mean to merge it?	19:15
freemangordon	(for gstreamer)	19:15
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romaxa	freemangordon: I was hoping that QTransform mapping from painter would do that	19:16
romaxa	freemangordon: but I guess I need to take original not transformed view rectangle apply transform and do some magic	19:16
freemangordon	yep	19:17
romaxa	freemangordon: need to go at work, btw, I guess it would make sense keep most of discussions on #embedlite channel regarding embedlite (irc.mozilla.org)	19:18
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freemangordon	romaxa: aah, ok, I was not aware of that channel, will join	19:18
freemangordon	is it on freenode?	19:18
freemangordon	scratch that :)	19:18
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eccerr0r	this switchover downtime is killing me... heh...	20:54
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eccerr0r	since repository.maemo.org is down, what's the easiest way to root my n900?	21:39
Skry	~mirror	21:41
infobot	hmm... mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143	21:41
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eccerr0r	I tried those mirrors and got the "Ignoring wrong version" problem... I saw a post to remove /var/lib/hildon-application-manager/domain.* but that needs root...	21:43
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kerio	eccerr0r: why do you need root?	21:48
kerio	eccerr0r: the best way would be to install openssh from extras	21:52
kerio	that'll prompt for a root password	21:52
kerio	then ssh localhost	21:52
kerio	then configure sudo as you wish	21:52
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eccerr0r	I can't seem to sync the mirrors because of apparently invalid data in /var/lib/hildon-application/manager...	21:54
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eccerr0r	since I can't sync... can't install openssh (which was the intent :)	21:56
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wirr	~mirrors	22:03
infobot	methinks mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143	22:03
wirr	any mirror for http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php? skeiron repos don't seem to have flasher-3.5 :-(	22:06
wirr	?	22:06
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kerio	wirr: dammit, there was one	22:08
kerio	eccerr0r: what repos do you have enabled right now?	22:08
eccerr0r	tried skeiron free and maemo-archive.wedrop.it free	22:10
kerio	...for what?	22:10
eccerr0r	fremantle ?	22:10
kerio	list all the repos that you have enabled right now	22:10
eccerr0r	this is the issue I'm seeing: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65687	22:10
kerio	eccerr0r: i am aware of the issue	22:12
kerio	that's why i asked WHICH REPOS YOU HAVE ENABLED RIGHT NOW	22:12
eccerr0r	I'm new to this so I don't understand what you're asking for...	22:12
kerio	"skeiron" can mean at least 20 different repos	22:13
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eccerr0r	http://skeiron.org/repo/repository.maemo.org/community ?	22:13
kerio	yes	22:14
kerio	that would be one repo	22:14
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kerio	do you have cssu installed right now?	22:14
eccerr0r	No. This is a fresh machine, has never been synced before	22:15
kerio	then disable that repo right now	22:15
kerio	you probably meant http://skeiron.org/repo/repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free	22:15
eccerr0r	ahh okay.	22:16
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kerio	anyway, deleting the domain information won't help with the new domain info that ham creates whenever you install or upgrade something	22:17
kerio	to permanently nullify that, enable HAM's redpill mode and disable "ignore packages with wrong domain"	22:17
brkn	@wirr: skeiron.org/tablets-dev/	22:19
eccerr0r	cool, that looks better now. I haven't really used debian-line linuxes at all, really need to look into this some more.	22:20
brkn	i guess this is what you are looking for: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo-dev-env-downloads/	22:20
kerio	if you know your way around linux, i strongly advise against not using HAM except for the system upgrades (and even then...) and only use apt-get, it's much faster	22:21
kerio	if you know your way around linux and are prepared, that is	22:21
kerio	being prepared = having a backup	22:21
kerio	so install backupmenu!	22:21
kerio	it's good!	22:21
wirr	brkn: thanks, but unfortunately not: http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/d3/ only up to v3.0	22:21
kerio	wirr: D:	22:22
wirr	brkn, oh, sorry, didn't see the second link your posted	22:22
wirr	perfect!	22:22
kerio	well, isn't 3.5 the one for the n900?	22:22
kerio	oh	22:22
brkn	wirr: basically everything should be there	22:23
kerio	eccerr0r: disclaimer - by entering redpill mode, you swear to not complain when ALL YO SHIT A SPLODE or perhaps something minor stops working until you fudge with it a bit	22:23
brkn	structure is 1:1 what has been on tablets-dev.nokia.com	22:23
wirr	brkn: yep seems complete	22:23
eccerr0r	heh. thanks for the warning.	22:23
brkn	oh and check md5 if you don't trust the files	22:23
kerio	eccerr0r: but seriously, make backups	22:23
wirr	don't know why i ran into a dead link at first	22:23
wirr	but hey, it's computers	22:23
wirr	;-)	22:23
wirr	or me	22:24
kerio	eccerr0r: install "backupmenu"	22:24
eccerr0r	yeah, there's tons of stuff I need to install :D	22:24
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wirr	anyone, do you disable extras-testing and extras-devel when running on cssu-thumb?	22:24
kerio	wirr: of course not	22:25
kerio	well, i disable extras-testing	22:25
kerio	because extras-devel is a superset, and it would be a waste of resources	22:25
wirr	kerio, makes sense	22:26
wirr	was just wondering if older, but thumb-compiled releases from cssu-thumb could get upgraded to newer non-thumb binaries from extras-devel	22:27
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wirr	or do you use apt-pinning to prevent that?	22:27
kerio	wirr: the only candidate for that would be busybox-power	22:28
kerio	or fennec, if someone decided to update the fennec in extras-devel	22:28
eccerr0r	hmm... need to find a microsd card...	22:28
kerio	some of the other packages are in "competition" with cssu-testing though, considering cssu-thumb's status as an addon	22:28
kerio	so between cssu-testing's update and cssu-thumb's update there's a window of time in which you'd upgrade to a non-thumb package from a thumb package	22:29
kerio	unless you've disabled the HAM domain check, HAM won't let you do that	22:29
wirr	i don't use ham	22:29
kerio	and i pin cssu-thumb at 600 priority via /etc/apt/preferences	22:29
wirr	yep, sounds like the only sane way of having all those repos enabled at the same time	22:30
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chem\|st	fsckers Repo notice on TMO is now PERSISTANT!	22:30
kerio	wirr: "Package: *" "Pin: release a=community-thumb" "Pin-Priority: 600" in three consecutive lines	22:30
kerio	wirr: also, might want to update, set the priority to 1600 and see what you're prompted to downgrade by apt-get upgrade	22:32
kerio	(over 1000, and apt-get will actively try to downgrade)	22:32
kerio	(so don't keep it at 1600, just do a check to see if something should be downgraded and why)	22:33
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wirr	that's a good hint.. let me check that	22:35
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kerio	eccerr0r: backupmenu lets you backup on the internal vfat partition	22:37
wirr	kerio, for extras-devel I have to use "l=extras-devel" instead of "a=extras-devel", right?	22:38
kerio	wirr: why do you want to pin extras-devel? :o	22:38
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wirr	on my debian box i usually explicitly list all suites... extras-devel would get a lower prio, of course	22:39
kerio	wirr: Suite: is still a=	22:39
kerio	btw, use extras-devel-light :)	22:39
kerio	http://extras-devel.merlin1991.at/ fremantle free non-free	22:39
wirr	yep, but for Extras-devel: Suite is fremantle... "devel" is just in the label	22:39
kerio	it supports pdiffs	22:39
kerio	wirr: then it's l= i suppose	22:40
kerio	i'm using merlin's extras-devel, and it's Suite: Extras-devel-light	22:40
kerio	but really, why? i'd keep extras-devel as the default	22:40
kerio	and increase cssu/nokia ssu maybe	22:40
wirr	actually, that's what I'm using :-)	22:40
wirr	nokia ssu? you really expect updates from there?	22:40
kerio	you're the one worried about packages overwriting each other	22:41
kerio	certainly it should be at a higher priority than extras	22:41
wirr	alright, alright, i agree :-)	22:41
kerio	i just upgrade everything from extras-devel, cssu-devel, cssu-thumb and cssu-testing	22:42
kerio	it's not a bleeding edge, it's not even grown yet	22:42
wirr	:) but... usable?	22:43
kerio	it's not for the faint at heart	22:43
kerio	but meh	22:43
wirr	i've been realising that i spend more time on tweaking flashing tinkering that device than actually _using_ it...	22:44
kerio	what do you mean by "using" it?	22:44
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kerio	tinkering is certainly using	22:45
kerio	wirr: right now, cssu-devel would make me downgrade 38 packages, and only upgrade 5	22:45
wirr	kerio, using as in writing emails, surfing the web, maybe even make a phone call	22:47
kerio	phone calls? the n900 can do that? :O	22:47
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kerio	you discover something new every day!	22:47
wirr	:-) actually I don't have a sim	22:47
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wirr	kerio, actually you're right: no downgrades proposed even with cssu-thumb at 1600 - not even busybox-power	22:58
kerio	yeah, the latest version is thumbified	22:58
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FIQ	where should I report OS issues which doesn't stem from cssu?	23:54
FIQ	it's kind of minor	23:55
kerio	what is it?	23:55
FIQ	if you send a SMS and the phone lacks sms central settings, it does (at least in swedish locale) print out something like: Error sending text message: Central number not found (Yes/No)	23:56
FIQ	without really asking a question	23:56
FIQ	yes lets me edit the settings, but the msg looks a bit weird	23:56
kerio	hm	23:56
kerio	a bug report against rtcom-messaging-l10n-sese maybe	23:57
kerio	or something	23:57
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FIQ	(the message was translated so it might not be word by word what it says but I guess all localizations have this issue)	23:57
kerio	no, svse	23:57
FIQ	hmmmmmm o	23:57
FIQ	k	23:57
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