IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2013-01-29

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WizardNumberNextEstel_: you know where, but you are completely death. You cannot even set 1350mA on bq24150! It is impossible - it would be taken as spurious value and some other value would set instead! I do not remember what value would be set, but this fail-safe value then.00:26
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kerioyou can't set that value simply because there's no way to set it00:32
keriothere are like four values you can set00:32
WizardNumberNextEstel_: I do hear difference and it is huge! If you are talking about digital sound from bottom up, then you won't hear difference. But I am really sorry that you have ears made of rubber, mine are not. Even MC sounds better, then stinky CD! ANALOG is ANALOG end of story. ANOLOG signal, which is 20kHz CANNOT be reproduced with 44.1kHz digital sampling! It is IMPOSSIBLE! What you hear in music is something close to mix of huge00:32
WizardNumberNextamount of sine waves, not saw waves! Saying that 44.1kHz digital sampling can reproduce 22050Hz is complete lye! Even 192kHz is struggling with it and I know what I am saying! Nothing comparess to sound straigth out of pin from vinyl. Nothing can distort it, so stop talking bulshit and start listening to VINYL! Find yourself Queen - Innuendo on vynil - listen to it and then to CD! CD is flat as hell, have no sound whatsoever00:32
WizardNumberNextand 90% percent of dynamic of sound is complately lost forever!00:33
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WizardNumberNextkerio: I agree - I have read datasheet00:33
WizardNumberNextit was 500, something around 800, 1200 or 1250 and I think 10000:34
WizardNumberNextI am not sure about values other then 500, but bq24150 cannot do more then 1250 - that is absolute max anyway00:34
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WizardNumberNextso I have NFC what Estel_ was talking about00:34
kerioalso, you might "know" what you're saying, but the nyquist-shannon sampling theorem is a *theorem*00:35
keriosampling at twice the highest frequency *will* let you completely reconstruct the signal00:35
WizardNumberNextI know that I cannot find even vinyl-RIP which sound anywhere close to queen-innuendo straight from vinyl listened only to pin!00:36
WizardNumberNextthere's nothing even close to poor imitation of that sound00:36
keriothe fucking vinyl can't be listened without /destroying it/ and replacing it with a sligtly crappier version00:36
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kerio*can't be listened to00:36
freemangordonWizardNumberNext: kerio is right (though I know that theorem under slightly different name)00:37
WizardNumberNextI know it wears out, but even after 1000 times it sounds better, then CD00:37
tadzikdamnit Heisenberg, leave my vinyls alone;)00:38
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WizardNumberNextlook guys - brain is amazing tool - it helps you remove all noises and all clicks - you do mentaly hear them, only physicaly, but in your mind they do not exists00:38
WizardNumberNextat as long as you are not hunting for them and threat them as noise00:39
WizardNumberNextright tadzik00:39
kerioso... vinyl is better because you like it more00:39
keriogot it00:39
tadzikyeah, pretty much00:39
WizardNumberNextnothing, absolutely nothing compares00:39
tadzikI think it's mostly the "I paid so much for it that it'd better be good" effect00:39
GeneralAntillesHello, nostalgia.00:39
WizardNumberNextno, because brain cannot enchance quality, but can remove any noise00:40
keriomeh, i really can't deal with this00:41
WizardNumberNextI paid no single pence, but still as soon as I go to poland I would hunt down person, who stolen my collection00:41
WizardNumberNextkerio: you cannot change facts00:41
WizardNumberNextyou do not any noise removing software - brain is doing it for you and it is much better then any software00:42
kerioyep, much better00:42
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WizardNumberNexthuman brain is still more powerfull, then any even strongest super computer, so there's no comparisson. AND it works on edge of analog and digital, so it can things, which are impossible to implement in electronics at the moment00:44
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tadzikWizardNumberNext: hello from Poland00:44
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WizardNumberNextand because it works as it work some people develops those shaking seizures (don't remember name at the moment)00:45
WizardNumberNexthello tadzik00:45
futpib_well, if you record you fav music with all it's noise and then play it, your brain will still filter all noise and so on00:45
tadzikI'm sorry you bring bad memories from here00:45
WizardNumberNexttadzik: just please stick with english00:46
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teotwakihi GeneralAntilles00:46
WizardNumberNexttadzik: it is not that i have bad memories - it happened after I left that country00:46
GeneralAntillesHello, teotwaki00:46
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WizardNumberNextbut still want my records back00:46
teotwakiGeneralAntilles: sup?00:46
GeneralAntillesNothing interesting. Playing with my new Arduino.00:47
teotwakithe 512 one?00:47
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WizardNumberNexttadzik: I have seen few polish here already00:47
GeneralAntillesUno R300:47
WizardNumberNextCzarnyKot for instance00:47
tadzikI have that one too, it's nice00:47
tadzikyeah, there's a couple of us00:47
WizardNumberNextnot many though, for polish it is quite expensive toy (n900) even now00:48
WizardNumberNextanyway I got mine from father, after modem failed00:48
WizardNumberNexttwo pieces of foam and it works00:48
tadzikanyway, maybe my ears made of rubber are enough for getting a musical education, but I still don't hear the difference between 320 kbps mp3 and anything more sophisticated :)00:48
teotwakitadzik: that's because your sound system isn't good enough00:49
WizardNumberNextnot many people hear difference and you still need good sound system for that00:49
WizardNumberNextjust speakers won't do the trick00:49
teotwakiand I don't mean you need gold-plated HDMI cables, just that a regular set of headphones or 5.1 soundsystem won't help00:49
tadzikI guess I'll pass then00:49
WizardNumberNextyou need something closer to professional00:50
WizardNumberNextteotwaki: depends which one00:50
WizardNumberNextI have found good 5.1 on street00:50
teotwakinote the "regular" qualifier.00:50
WizardNumberNextSony STR-KLS4000:51
WizardNumberNextbut it is really hard to find remote for it\00:51
WizardNumberNextI have fetish for originals00:51
teotwakithere's your problem :)00:51
teotwakiYou have Sony.00:51
WizardNumberNextyeah, SIRC00:52
WizardNumberNextnot RC500:52
teotwakiNext month, they'll release a software update that removes the ability to play music on your 5.1 system ;)00:52
WizardNumberNexteven IR in n900 doesn't do the trick00:52
WizardNumberNextI never had 5.1 capability - it is fake 5.100:52
WizardNumberNextit have stereo feed00:53
WizardNumberNextbut have really good subwoofer - it neither chokes nor sounds like underwater00:53
WizardNumberNextthis one have very pure sound, bit warm, very natural bass00:54
teotwakiit's still Sony, it's eeeeeevil :)00:54
WizardNumberNextit is classical construction, not evil bass-relfex00:54
teotwakiI don't care about the quality00:55
teotwakiit's Sony.00:55
teotwakiEvil Company (tm).00:55
WizardNumberNextI do not care - it works and sony have no influence on how I use it, as there is no way to connect it to anything what is not sound00:55
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WizardNumberNextit is evil company, but sound-wise it is not bad00:55
WizardNumberNextit is not great, neither good, but not bad00:56
WizardNumberNextgood enough to hear difference of sample rate00:56
WizardNumberNexteven if it just upsampled from 44.1 to 192 (it sounds worse at 96)00:57
WizardNumberNextI want to have uniform sampling rate as my SC doesn't support more then one stream, so I am stucked with only one00:57
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infobotextra, extra, read all about it, mirror is
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Estel_kerio,  who told ya to that I'm using kp51?10:16
kerioidk, you?10:17
Estel_my results about 1350 mA charging is on kp52, I just talked about downgrading to cullprint possible reason10:17
kerioi see10:17
Estel_as I moved to new motherboard and new kp at the same time10:17
Estel_WizardNumberNext,  I know about charging chip hardcoded values, probably better than you :P still, I'm experiencing 1350 mA charging here - measured it with external tools, too - and I have NFC why10:18
keriohw problem?10:21
Estel_as for all this sounds non-sense - I understand that you like vinyls more, and respect that. Furthermore, I like vinyls too, for collectors value and nice nostalgia aspect of warm sound10:21
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Estel_still, I won't belive any of this "I can hear difference above 20khz" until you participate in proper blind tests10:22
Estel_they have done zillions of it, busting things like this "special" type of cd-r audiophile audio (the ones that looks like had triangles on surface, can't remember name)10:22
kerioexcept that the warm sound is probably caused by the loss of low frequences due to the degradation of the physical disc10:22
Estel_kerio,  of course10:23
Estel_but it's just matter of prefferences, I can understand that people may like it10:23
kerioevery time you listen to a vinyl, you're rerecording a slightly distorted version over it10:23
Estel_anyway, no matter if they were comparing 192 khz version to lowpass=20khz or any other, result of large blind tests, including vinyl maniacs, were always ~50%10:24
Estel_aka coin throw10:24
Estel_kerio,  in digital world, it's also the case - even sound card, even best one, have it own disortions10:24
Estel_we like some of them more than others, that's why we like some sounds cards more than others10:24
Estel_(not talking about obvious heavy disortions in some cheap cards like chinese usb ones)10:25
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Estel_fun fact - blind test comparing some pro melomaniac cards with audigy 2zs from sound - tw, in every test, one card was present *twice*without listeners knowing it10:26
Estel_very fun to read how they described sound10:26
Estel_and how differently they took the same card playing twice10:26
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kerioEstel_: but the soundcard isn't the sound10:27
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kerioand your analog apparatus can also have its own distortions10:27
Estel_well, in same enviromnent, changing card changes sound a little10:27
Estel_sure thing10:27
Estel_that's why for tests you're always using top notch analog set10:27
Estel_not to mention than brain indeed *is* nice at filtering some things (or placebo effects ;) )10:28
kerioin fact, i'm not quite certain why people go on rambling about the fact that you only have 16 bits or 24 or 32 for each sample instead of a real value10:28
keriowhile the vinyl is listened to using a *mechanical* thing10:28
keriofor fuck's sake, my bathroom's door jams about one in three times10:28
Estel_but it doesn't have anything to do about wasting space for including frequencies above 20khz in recordings on N900 or any digital media meant for humans10:28
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keriobesides, vinyls are recorded with a weird equalization and you're supposed to undo that equalization to listen to them10:29
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kerioEstel_: my point is that the only sensible thing to do to store audio recordings is to use digital audio10:29
Estel_well, no one ever was able to identify 16 bit vs 24 or 32, in blind tests, either10:30
Estel_of course, it is only sensible per technical side, but if someone prefers listening to vinyls more, I have no problem with it ;)10:30
keriooh absolutely10:30
Estel_btw I like vinyls for nice bigger side for art10:31
Estel_and bigger cover10:31
kerioyeah, that's something that's kinda missing with cd releases10:31
Estel_some vinyls are art in themselves10:31
keriostrangely enough, usually digital releases include really big artwork10:31
Estel_+ nostalgia value for setting speed and all this needle thing... Although I don't listen to my collectible vinyls often, to not wear them :P10:31
Estel_BTW, new equipment use laser and it's reflections to read from vinyls, without wearing them10:32
Estel_say about digital analog :P10:32
kerioEstel_: except for the radiation pressure10:32
Estel_oh, needle is prone to magnetism, too ;)10:33
kerioclearly, if you're *that* good of an audiophile, you should be able to hear the difference!10:33
DocScrutinizer05errr, 16bit actually have considerable distorion on very low sounds like -50dB, due to linear quantization10:33
Estel_DocScrutinizer05,  sure, and there are people who *hear*sound at above 20khz. But, hearing sounds, and telling difference in real-life tracks, is a different thing10:34
kerioi'd like a general switch to 96k/2410:34
Estel_that's why I said "preservation for hystorical purposes" should be always done i higher frequency range and sample rate possible10:35
Estel_but, real life usage, not10:35
keriobut then again, i usually listen listen to V0 MP3s via A2DP10:35
Estel_kerio,  I wouldn't, due to wasted space10:35
DocScrutinizer05100 ack, I'm also not using oxygen-free 10mm^2 power cord to plug my amp to the wall outlet, where 1.5mm NYM starts10:35
jaskashouldnt the hifists be using superconductors10:35
Estel_well, WizardNumberNext was whinning about N900 amp being not able to use 96 khz...10:35
jaskafor their audio cables10:36
Estel_not compare it to N900 (still rather good!) DAC...10:36
DocScrutinizer05but studio equipment iirc using 24bit, and they do that for a reason10:36
Estel_sure thing10:36
kerioDocScrutinizer05: not 32? sounds a bit harder to go from 24 to 1610:37
Estel_industry standards, more things compatible with 2410:37
kerionevermind, you still just have to take the most significant 16 bits anyway10:37
Estel_and even studios are not eager to pay zillions for whole infra upgrade to 32, for no real difference in perceived quality10:37
Estel_btw, WizardNumberNext, if you're interested in audiophile quality from N900, searcgh tmo for thread about N900 used together with external DAC10:38
Estel_where I humbly participated ;)10:38
Estel_using hostmode, you can connect your audiophile DAC (which you undoubtly own :P) to N900 and redirect whole audio there, bypassing N900's dac10:39
Estel_now, call me barbarian, but while I really like this project and worked to bring it into usable state, I really like N900's DAC and think it's producing very good quality sound10:40
Estel_btw, thread in question was something like "N900 as portable audiophile music player" or smth like that10:40
Estel_using the ocassionp kudos to hostmode team again10:41
Estel_for bringing all those never-expected possibilities to N90010:42
jacekowskii did buy monster extension lead recently10:44
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jacekowskiguy at the shop was so eager to sell it to me that i got it for free with everything else i bought10:44
Estel_what is it, led torch for connecting it to usb?10:46
Estel_BTW, from the series of "epic replicas":10:46
Estel_it's not a mockup10:46
Estel_it's the fake system found in one of N900's replicas10:46
Estel_someone is gonna die for that10:47
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tadzikEstel_: url to the auction?10:47
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Estel_jacekowski,  wtf is that you've provided link for?10:49
jacekowskimonster oxygen free and all that BS extension lead10:50
Estel_tadzik,  yesterday I showed "almost" perfect replica10:50
Estel_I see10:50
Estel_freemangordon,  what is the possible use case for end-users of this acceleration thing you're cooking?10:51
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Estel_sounds exciting10:51
freemangordonEstel_: look at embedLite(IPCLite) thread on TMO10:52
Estel_vme nods10:56
Estel_I'm afraid I'm missing some very interesting threads on TMO due to "various reasons"10:57
Estel_it's thread about qt fennec, freemangordon10:58
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freemangordonromaxa: calling d->mView->SetGLViewTransform(matr); in QGraphicsMozView::paint almost halves fps, without that call, I am able to achieve > 40 fps on both scrolling (TMO) and your 3d cube. Of course address bar is not visible without that call. I looked at the code path for SetGLViewTransform and found nothing suspicious. Any idea? Could it be there is some thread context switch?11:01
freemangordonEstel_: exactly11:01
Estel_looks neat11:02
vi____Vinyl is obsolete.11:02
Estel_vi____nyl may be obsolete, but it's still fun to look at ;)11:05
Estel_excuse pun11:05
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Lava_CroftThat's one hell of a weird n90013:09
Lava_Croftsporting Windows XP? lol13:09
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kerioPali: i say fuck the domain stuff14:06
kerioit's silly14:07
keriocurrent cssu-stable users have a fscked-up domain information anyway14:07
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ShadowJKwhat domain stuff?16:31
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kerioShadowJK: HAM's builtin "protection" against updates to system packages16:37
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freemangordonromaxa: why is clip set in EmbedLiteViewThreadParent::SetGLViewTransform and EmbedLiteCompositorParent::RenderGL()? with removing the call to mgr->GetRoot()->SetClipRect(&mActiveClipping); from RenderGL() and removing the call to SetGLViewTransform from QGraphicsMozView::paint I have 40-50 fps with GL renderning. Is SetGLViewTransform used for rotation on harmattan or what?17:26
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Palimerlin1991: I updated descriptions of some CSSU packages on gitorious17:37
Palifreemangordon, can you move libcal library to cssu gitorious?17:37
Palimerlin already created repo for it17:38
Palifreemangoron, also I cloned and to project17:39
freemangordonPali: will do (libcal)17:40
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romaxafreemangordon: SetGLViewTransform - yes it is used mostly for rotation, but clip also used in order to clip browser viewport to QGraphicsScene... at least before begin/endNativePainting is used17:46
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romaxafreemangordon: without that I guess you should see some parts of the page always hidden behind URL bar17:47
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freemangordonromaxa: no, it looks ok17:49
freemangordonat least on n90017:49
freemangordonand UI is like butter :D17:50
romaxafreemangordon: hmm interesting17:50
romaxafreemangordon: do you have patch with part removing clipping?17:51
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freemangordonromaxa: another hmmm... bug. why is used painter->fillRect(r, d->mBgColor);? in QGraphicsMozView::paint that is. Why we don't use GL to draw the background17:51
freemangordonromaxa: no, I wanted to ask you first why is that used, esp clipping17:51
freemangordonromaxa: but you just need to comment clipping part in RenderGL(EmBedLiteCompositorParent.cpp) and to not call SetGLViewTransform in paint()17:53
freemangordonthat fillRect lowers fps by 5-10 or something17:54
freemangordonromaxa: AIUI OGL compositor(layer manager or whatever it is called) has background color fill already implemented, isn't it better to extend embedLite API with some SetBackgroundColor function ?17:56
romaxafreemangordon: that has been done for quick impl... ideally I need to make GL paint that background17:57
romaxafreemangordon: on harmattan fillRect in GL mode supposed to work very fast, but on Fremantle it is not17:59
romaxafreemangordon: ideally I need to implement ColorLayer into Layer tree and do GL background color fill with mozilla, but it is more flexible to render custom background on UI side18:00
romaxafreemangordon: where did you see background color filling with OGL?18:01
freemangordonromaxa: If I get it right, background color is painted even now (it is black), one just need to change it18:01
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freemangordonromaxa: will try to find it18:01
Paliping DocScrutinizer0518:03
Paliwhat is with mail for nokia about GPG key?18:03
freemangordonromaxa: LayerManagerOGL::Render()?18:03
freemangordonromaxa: mGLContext->fClearColor(0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0);18:04
freemangordon  mGLContext->fClear(LOCAL_GL_COLOR_BUFFER_BIT | LOCAL_GL_DEPTH_BUFFER_BIT);18:04
freemangordonthough I think there was another function using some member variable18:04
freemangordonand doing glClear18:05
freemangordonromaxa: I guess we can just call glClear in paint() instead of fillRect18:07
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romaxafreemangordon: yep, that make sese...18:09
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freemangordonromaxa: yep, doing glClearColor(1,1,1,0); glClear(GL_COLOR_BUFFER_BIT); instead of fillRect does the job18:20
freemangordonluf: hi man, long time no see :)18:21
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luffreemangordon: Hello ... I know :)18:23
luffreemangordon: new job and a lot of other things to do :(18:23
freemangordonromaxa: I found one problem with my modifications(clip and transformation matrix removal), touch events positions are not correct. Though I guess that will be easy to be fixed by someone familiar with the code :)18:24
freemangordonluf: new job? ooh18:28
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WizardNumberNextEstel_: sorry I have been sleeping and forgot to mark myself as being away. Charging, ok I believe you, but it still very strange. If it comes to amp - amp just amplify, so it able to play whatever you throw at it, as long as it fits in band. I do not care about freqs above 24kHz, as I doubt I can hear anything past 25kHz and anyway from music point of view there's nothing usable - it is about more samples in high frequency (18:36
WizardNumberNextlike say 16kHz and above), which I am concerned about. I am always interested in as high quality as I can get, unfortunately apart from my sound-system I do not have another DAC (shame isn't it)18:36
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WizardNumberNextso, my chasing of 192kHz/32b have nothing to do with frequency above 25kHz, but everything about as many as possible samples in frequencies like 1kHz - 25kHz18:38
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WizardNumberNextsimply consider perfect sinusoid at 16kHz - with 44.1kHz sampling you will hear noise, not sinusoid, and every next sample would be in pretty much random place. So now you see why I choose high sampling rate with 32b.18:42
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keriosampling at 44.1kHz will let you reconstruct the 16kHz sinusoid18:43
kerioif you're worried about imprecisions, increase bit depth, not sampling rate18:43
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WizardNumberNextand highest frequency. which could be reproduced with 44.1kHz sampling isn't 22,05kHzbut more like 11025Hz ans it is still saw, not sinusoid. So I bet you need at least 12-16 samples to reproduces any usuful signal - which would be around 2756.25-3675Hz18:46
WizardNumberNextno, kerio you do understand principle18:46
WizardNumberNextif you probe sound and you want to reproduce it, then you need loads of samples to reproduce it, not just 2 or 318:47
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WizardNumberNextwith 3 samples it won't work - it would noise - nothing else18:47
kerioyes, that's why you sample fourty four thousand times per second18:47
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WizardNumberNextwith 2 samples on better end you get saw, which is not natural, or in worst case you can get silence18:48
WizardNumberNextthis is amount of samples for 16kHz with 44.1kHz sampling18:48
WizardNumberNextit creates noise, not usefull signal18:49
WizardNumberNextamount of samples for one cycle of 16kHz18:51
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kerioWizardNumberNext: fourier transforms don't work that way, dude18:55
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freemangordonWizardNumberNext: are you sure you don't think about PWM?18:59
freemangordonWizardNumberNext: when you do DAC you put lowpass filter at the end ;)19:01
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n900-dkWhere to sign up as volunteer?19:26
kerion900-dk: idk, ask doc19:27
keriothere's not a "place" really19:27
n900-dkno formulars? ;)19:27
n900-dkok, there might also be enough volunteers already.19:29
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ShadowJKit's not even about fourier transform19:30
ShadowJKBut the phenomenon is called aliasing, a 22.05kHz sinewave sampled at 44.1 will be squarewave.. but the components that make it square are higher frequencies than 22.05Khz :)19:32
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kerion900-dk: well, what can you provide?19:39
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n900-dkkerio: I work with network-engineering, dns-setups and sysadm19:41
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romaxafreemangordon: we cannot remove SetGLViewTransform completely, but it probably make sense to provide option not set clip rect, also patch for glClear in qgraphicsmozview would be welcome19:56
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freemangordonromaxa: ok, i'll work on my clone and will do a couple of pull requests, maybe tomorrow20:24
freemangordonromaxa: could you test in the meantime if glClear instead of fillRect will do the job  on harm too?20:25
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NeutrinoPower    usbnet is not easy :(21:54
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myname24Freemangordon: hi , i installed fennec 17.0a1 from thumb repo but when running it will crash instantly and from terminal segmentation fault . Any help ?21:58
freemangordonmyname24: there is some conflict with nemo's VKB, whatever the name was21:59
freemangordonmaliit or something21:59
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myname24Ok thanks i will uninstall it and report back :)22:01
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myname24Freemangordon: i removed nemo vkb and still the same error22:37
freemangordondid you try to remove /home/user/.mozilla/fennec?22:38
myname24Yes and a reboot also . Still crash22:41
KotCzarnystrace it22:41
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freemangordonmyname24: hmm, strange. I guess you have libqtm12 installed22:41
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myname24Yes . Should i removed it ?22:42
freemangordonthough you won;t have segfault if some lib is missing22:42
freemangordonmyname24: no22:42
freemangordonmyname24: did you remove maliit qt plugin?22:42
freemangordonlibmallit or something22:43
freemangordonbtw no need to reboot22:43
freemangordonmyname24: could you give me the output from "dpkg -l | grep maliit"22:43
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myname24I removed libmaliit1 and it's dependecies and meecast was removed . But fennec is working now . Thanks22:46
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freemangordonmyname24: Why TF you are not using omvweather widget?22:49
freemangordonbut some bloated harm crap?22:49
myname24I have omweather :) but the widget was too much power hungry ( but nice) . Now i have accuweather and i don't need widgets .22:51
freemangordonmyname24: power hungry? putting it on my desktop does not change battery life. at all ;)22:52
freemangordonwell, i guess if you set it up to check every five minutes it will affect the battery life22:53
myname24Every 4 hours . But i'm suspecting something is consuming battery . Idle cpu is 5-6% is that normal ?22:54
freemangordonif you measure, it is not idle :)22:54
qwazixfreemangordon, pong22:55
freemangordonwhich process takes those 5-6%?22:55
RzRfosdem anyone ?22:55
RzRe-yes and I will met there22:55
freemangordonqwazix: I think I made a big progress with embedLite port to fremantle22:55
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freemangordonLatest: youtube H264 though DSP (HW accel), webgl romaxa's cube @ 40 fps, GL accelerated rendering, scrolls @ 40-50 fps22:56
freemangordonmemory usage seems fine too22:57
qwazix:) :) Yep, I'm reading the backscroll22:57
qwazixIf cube is what I think it is, then this is superawesome22:57
qwazixon firefoxOS dev devices (dual core) it doesn't get 10fps22:58
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freemangordonqwazix: that one ./qmlMozEmbedTest -url
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freemangordonthis ./qmlMozEmbedTest -url crashes when GL accel is on22:58
qwazixOh, no, it's not that the other one had video on all faces22:58
M4rtinKqwazix: so you got one ? :)22:58
qwazixM4rtinK, not yet22:59
qwazixI just saw them in AppDays22:59
freemangordonbut I guess it is upstream bug, i'll report it later on22:59
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qwazixbut I'll have one once they ship :) :)22:59
M4rtinKnice :)22:59
freemangordonqwazix: vidoe stutters a bit when GL accel is on, but I guess it is all matter of fixing upstream bugs22:59
freemangordonqwazix: so, the big question: what we gonna do with the UI23:00
freemangordonqwazix: on the side note: if you put the address bar on to, we'll lose 10-15 fps when GL acceleration is on :P. Unless I foud a way to fix that23:01
freemangordons/on to/on top/23:01
infobotfreemangordon meant: qwazix: on the side note: if you put the address bar on top, we'll lose 10-15 fps when GL acceleration is on :P. Unless I foud a way to fix that23:01
qwazix? What does the position of the address bar has to do with GL?23:02
KotCzarnyfreemangordon: make it separate window?23:03
freemangordonKotCzarny: what to make a separate window?23:03
KotCzarnyaddress bar23:04
qwazixI intend to continue with the UI but I can only spend around 10-20h/week, which means at least two weeks before basic functionality is there23:04
qwazixunless somebody wants to jump in23:04
freemangordonqwazix: if MoxEmbedLite widget is not on 0,0 (x,y) there is a transformation matrix to be applied. for some reason it slows down the things23:05
freemangordonI'll try to fix it, I promise :)23:05
qwazixfreemangordon, then we'll have to get rid of the title bar too23:06
KotCzarnycomposite it23:06
KotCzarnyseparate windows23:06
freemangordonKotCzarny: compositing slow down the thing a lot23:06
qwazix(except if 0,0 doesn't count if it's the native one23:06
freemangordonqwazix: 0,0 is not 0,0 in terms of GL, you know23:07
KotCzarnythen make it fullscreen23:07
freemangordonit is23:07
qwazixfreemangordon, no, I don't know please explain23:07
KotCzarnywith toolbars sliding in23:07
freemangordonhow do you think I achieve 50 fps on what is essentialy fennec 20.1a?23:07
freemangordonqwazix: GL coodinate system starts bottom left23:08
freemangordonnot top left23:08
freemangordonso 0,0 is 0,480 in terms of OGL23:08
freemangordonon n90023:08
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freemangordonit is weird :D23:09
KotCzarnynatural grid23:09
qwazixAh, physics notation23:09
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qwazixso do we need real 0,0 or GL 0,0?23:09
qwazix(btw that learningwebgl link segfaults on romaxa's nemo build too)23:09
freemangordonqwazix: youh, seems like upstream bug23:11
KotCzarnyanyway, nitenite23:11
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freemangordontry with SW_RENDER=1 qmlMoz...23:11
qwazixAnyway, don't worry too much about that, we'll move the address bar if needed.23:12
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qwazixWe can also do another trick, create a usercontent.css which moves everything 56 pixels down and overlay at least the title bar over the empty space23:12
qwazixthat way we still got the mozilla widget on 0,023:13
freemangordonI am afraid it will overpaint the address bar, but we may try it23:13
qwazixwe can also create an addressbar/titlebar in html as a last resort23:14
freemangordonhowever, I think I will find the way to fix that. At least I'll try23:14
freemangordonqwazix: that doesn't sound too bad23:14
freemangordonthis thingie is fast enough, it loads pages almost with the speed of qtwebkit23:15
qwazixIn fact we can create the full UI in html, or even steal it from boot2gecko23:15
freemangordonqwazix: if you say so. I am not much into gecko/xul, etc23:16
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freemangordonthough it wouldn't make much of a difference if it is qml or html23:16
qwazixI don't know xul either but I think b2g firefox instance isn't xul but plain HTML5, i'll check it out23:17
freemangordonthough if we do the html stuff, we don;t need qdeclarative stuff, simple qt will do it. moar free RAM that is :D23:17
qwazixhm, but we'd have to find some way to read the current theme in html, or go with non-native look23:18
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freemangordonqwazix: mi biggest fear was that at the end we'd have something with the speed of -thumb fennec - usable, but far from good.23:18
qwazix(webgl learning thingie doesn't work with SW_RENDER but no segfault)23:19
freemangordonso far it seems it wil be good23:19
freemangordonqwazix: well, it works here with SW_RENDER23:19
freemangordonqwazix: pass -no-glwidget23:19
freemangordon./qmlMozEmbedTest -url -no-glwidget23:20
qwazixok, after reboot. It crashed on me :)23:20
freemangordonbtw cpu@805 renders it with ~ 14 fps23:20
qwazixhow do you check fps?23:21
freemangordonexport SHOW_FPS=3023:21
freemangordonwe'll have some problems with video, I hope romaxa to fix them. It seems no xv(overlay) is used, but sw scaling23:22
qwazixoh drat, I mistyped and got a crash again23:28
qwazixno, crashed with no-glwidget too23:34
freemangordonwell, it works in fremantle23:35
qwazixThat is nemo on N95023:35
qwazixso, before continuing the qml route I'll check out what other options we have for UI and report23:36
freemangordonwell, qml is not that bad in that case23:37
qwazixAlso if somebody wants to help a nice documentation of functions that should be called from the UI would be nice, reading coderus' code would provide most of that23:37
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freemangordonqwazix: reading test qlm too, it is nothing complicated23:40
qwazixyeah, but as I've seen it misses most features23:41
qwazixbookmarks, options etc23:42
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