IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2013-01-28

WizardNumberNextunfortunately mine are 1320mAh00:00
WizardNumberNextbut i didn't know about change of capacity, so bought exactly same and disqualified those 1430mAh as fake00:00
peterbjornx_n900could i wire a HTC 3.7v battery up to it00:00
freemangordontttupn: some upgrades? elaborate00:00
WizardNumberNextI think you can try00:01
peterbjornx_n900would it charge?00:01
peterbjornx_n900or blow up00:01
WizardNumberNextas long as its li-ion00:01
ShadowJKThere's some third party batteries with even higher capacity that fits in same space00:01
tttupnactually I did a stupid apt-get upgrade (having extras testing and devel disabled)00:01
ShadowJKpeterbjornx_n900, it wont charge00:01
WizardNumberNextcharger won't allow you to blow it up and battery itself have protection, so no worries00:02
WizardNumberNextShadowJK: why not - it is still li-ion00:02
WizardNumberNextsay it is00:02
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WizardNumberNextthen why not?00:03
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tttupnhere is the output of apt-get install
tttupnAre there any logs to look for?00:03
ShadowJKWizardNumberNext, needs a resistor between BSI and GND, without it, it thinks it's sitting in a debug jig00:04
WizardNumberNextI was thinking about that damn resistor there00:04
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freemangordontttupn: oh, you are on cssu-thumb?00:05
tttupnyeah I am00:05
freemangordonand you did apt-get upgrade with cssu-devel enabled?00:06
freemangordontttupn: that's bad. gould you give the output of "dpkg -l | grep png", without quotes00:07
freemangordononly the version00:08
freemangordonhmm, why apt-get install?00:08
tttupnbecause apt-get install tries to install broken packages again. I just hoped it could work ;)00:09
tttupnhere is a list of apt sources
freemangordontttupn: he correct command is "apt-get -f install" afaik00:10
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freemangordontttupn: did you disable cssu-devel repo?00:10
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tttupnapt-get -f install just does the same in this case. No I didn't disabled cssu devel. I tried to install different versions of hildon-application-manager manually by specifying the version00:12
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tttupnbtw I should remove the double cssu devel line00:12
freemangordontttupn: but it is postinst script that segfaults, not HAM itself aiui00:14
tttupnyeah, I thought that a different version might ship a different post install script00:14
freemangordonseems like something else00:15
freemangordonyou say hildon-desktop crashes too?00:15
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freemangordontttupn: "dpkg -l | grep libxml2" and "dpkg -l | grep zlib" versions please00:17
tttupnI'm not exactly sure. I know that the watchdog would reboot the device. further there are widgets missing (nearly all) and I can't edit the home screen.00:17
tttupnlibxml2:  2.6.32.dfsg-5maemo4+0m5+0cssu0-thumb000:18
tttupnzlib1g: 1:1.2.7.dfsg-13maemo1+0cssu1+thumb000:18
freemangordonyour problem is with libxml200:18
freemangordon2.6.32.dfsg-5maemo4+0m5+0cssu1+thumb0 is the correct version00:19
freemangordondo "apt-get install libxml2=2.6.32.dfsg-5maemo4+0m5+0cssu1+thumb0"00:20
freemangordontttupn: ^^^00:20
tttupnreboot? btw, why apt-get is thinking that this is a downgrade?00:22
freemangordonany errors?00:22
tttupnUnknown media type in type 'sketch/png'00:22
freemangordontttupn: NFC00:22
freemangordonignore that00:22
freemangordontttupn: because of "-thumb0"00:23
tttupnfull output:
tttupnwhat do you mean with NFC?00:23
infobot[nfc] No Fucking Clue, or near field communications00:24
tttupngreat I only knew near field communication ;) So I do a reboot?00:24
keriotttupn: not yet00:25
freemangordonwell, you'd better disable cssu-devel and do apt-get update, apt-get upgrade00:25
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freemangordonbut DON'T upgrade00:25
freemangordontttupn: just pastebin the output, so I can verify what will be upgraded00:25
tttupnok wati a second00:26
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tttupnhere the output of "apt-get upgrade"
keriothe postinst script segfaulted because of the wrong libxml200:28
kerioi recko00:28
* infobot nods00:29
freemangordontttupn: where is you mp-fremantle-community-pr?00:29
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tttupnshould be installed I'll take a look00:29
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tttupnaccording to "dpkg -l" it isn't installed. Should I install it?00:31
tttupnI have some broken dependencies.
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keriotttupn: ah crap, you're missing community-testing00:34
keriobecause the repos are down00:34
freemangordonaaah, yes, community-testing00:34
freemangordonwell, mirrirs work00:34
keriotttupn: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file00:34
kerioadd the line "deb fremantle free non-free"00:34
kerioadd that line, then do an apt-get update00:35
kerioand then apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr00:35
kerioand hopefully everything will start working again00:35
tttupnis this a good idea? I don't have a sources.list at the moment. only the ham file in sources.d00:35
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freemangordontttupn: do echo "deb fremantle free non-free" >  /etc/apt/sources.list.d/cssut.list00:37
freemangordonthen apt-get update00:37
freemangordonwhen you finish you may remove cssut.lis00:38
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freemangordonkerio: BTW afaik hash is broken on merlin1991's mirror00:39
tttupnhere the output for "apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr"
Pali --> this not working for HAM00:39
keriofreemangordon: not that one00:39
kerioPali: we're using apt-get00:39
keriobecause we're real men00:39
Palithere is no in HAM domain00:39
freemangordontttupn: boldly press Y00:40
keriotttupn: after you've enabled that repo?00:40
kerioyep, press y00:40
ShadowJK965M free on MyDocs :/00:40
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PaliShadowJK, buy SD card :-)00:40
freemangordonyep, very good idea :D:D:D00:40
WizardNumberNextI still have a lot of free space there00:40
ShadowJKI've been attempting that for couple months now00:41
ShadowJKBest candidate so far is going through stresstest in sheevaplug :)00:41
WizardNumberNextdamn man 16gb cost just 8gbp00:41
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ShadowJKSandisk Extreme Pro MicroSDHC00:41
freemangordonShadowJK: buy one like mine, it seems just fine00:41
kerioWizardNumberNext: no, he has a fetish for IOPS00:41
keriohe can't buy a .5GBP/GB card00:42
freemangordonit is not exactly cheap, but....00:42
tttupnhere is the output for a "apt-get upgrade" I could do.
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ShadowJKfreemangordon; yeah I found it at 80E iirc, Samsung Pro 64g, right? Will get that one of the sandisk starts timing out00:42
keriotttupn: ignore that for now, it's not necessary00:42
WizardNumberNextwait, but normal cost of 64gb U1 card is around 35gbp00:42
kerioalthough it's weird that policy-settings-rx51 hasn't been updated00:42
kerio...oh, right, the weird versions00:43
freemangordonShadowJK: yep, that one00:43
kerioi wonder why qt wasn't properly updated00:43
freemangordonme too00:43
keriooh, libqtm-12 is only in extras-devel00:43
WizardNumberNextfreemangordon: how much is it?00:43
keriowaaaaaaaaaaait, kept back?00:43
freemangordon~90 euros here00:44
kerioi only have one version of libqtm-1200:44
WizardNumberNexthow fast?00:44
keriotttupn: is the metapackage properly upgraded now?00:44
WizardNumberNextI want to put loads of stuff there00:44
keriotttupn: check its version with `apt-cache policy mp-fremantle-community-pr`00:44
freemangordonkerio: leave him reboot, will check afterwards00:44
WizardNumberNextmainly music in FLAC00:44
tttupnInstalled: 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo7.2+thumb000:45
freemangordonWizardNumberNext: ~2MB/s random read ~ 1MB/s random write00:45
keriotttupn: reboot00:45
kerionothing should go wrong00:45
keriowarning: lots of things may go wrong00:45
WizardNumberNextbtw anybody knows what rx51 sound card can do?00:45
keriopossibly at the same time00:45
kerioWizardNumberNext: play sound, or so i've been told00:45
freemangordonrecord too iirc :P00:45
kerioit does have some neat stuff00:45
WizardNumberNextI mean kHz bitness?00:46
keriolike analog passthrough for fmrx00:46
freemangordonhighpass filter too00:46
freemangordonmaybe a mixer?00:46
WizardNumberNextI been through a datasheet for omap3430 so I know bit and pieces, but I missed on kHz and bitness00:47
WizardNumberNextjust matter of intrest00:47
WizardNumberNextbecause I would like to have HD is it is possible00:47
freemangordon48k enough?00:48
WizardNumberNexton desktop I fixed SC on 192/3200:48
WizardNumberNexthave to be00:48
freemangordonthat is default iirc00:48
freemangordoni guess you use .flac00:48
WizardNumberNextdefault? shit! most of music I have is in 44.1kHz or 96kHz00:48
freemangordonwell, I guess a resmpler kicks in then00:49
WizardNumberNextI do use FLAC - especially for vinyl00:49
tttupnreboot successfull and I think all widgets are back00:49
freemangordontttupn: give libqtm12 version00:49
keriotttupn: apt-cache policy libqtm-1200:50
keriofull output00:50
freemangordon(or whatever was held back)00:50
WizardNumberNextthat's why my PA is chew up so much of my processor on desktop - speex-f-900:50
kerioWizardNumberNext: why such a high bitrate?00:50
keriomusic from CDs is 44.1k/16 anyway00:51
WizardNumberNextbut recently I recompiled speex with march and mtune =barcelona00:51
freemangordonWizardNumberNext: toldya, I *think* it is 48k, but you'd better check PA settings00:51
keriotttupn: waaaaaaaaaaaaaait00:51
keriowhich repos have you enabled?00:51
WizardNumberNextI shall check them later on00:51
keriowe told you to disable cssu-devel00:51
WizardNumberNextkerio: I hate CD - it sounds crap00:51
kerioresampling also sounds like crap00:52
WizardNumberNextand why such high bitrate - because I can afford it00:52
keriomake the soundcard match what you're listening to00:52
WizardNumberNextbut I don't want fixed 44.1kHz on desktop00:52
tttupnkeiro: I have the following repos repos
freemangordonkerio: qtm12 is not in -thumb00:53
WizardNumberNextand anyway, most of SC for PC are 48kHz or multiply of it fixed, so 44.1kHz is double resmapling00:53
freemangordonso I guess we are not interested00:53
keriotttupn: ok, first of all you don't need "community" at all00:53
keriobut that's not the issue00:53
keriotry running apt-get update again00:54
kerioand then `apt-cache policy libqtm-12`00:54
kerioit makes no sense, unless libqtm-12 is in cssu-stable00:54
freemangordonkerio: where do you think it should be installed from?00:54
keriooh no, wait, extras00:54
keriolibqtm-12 is in extras00:55
keriosorry for the noise00:55
keriotttupn: disable the community repo, you won't need it ever00:55
WizardNumberNextfirst time I have find about 48kHz issue is when I started digging for every scrap of info for Creative SoundBlaster Live - fixed 48kHz DSP, then find out that yamaha YMF724F is same00:55
freemangordontttupn: your device should be fine now. DO NOT use apt-get upgrade. DO NOT remove mp-fremantle-community-pr. ALWAYS USE HAM for system upgrades :)00:56
WizardNumberNextso it might be same on omap but do not know00:56
kerioand what have we learned today about enabling cssu-devel?00:56
kerioPali: and what have we learned today about having an entry in HAM for cssu-devel?00:56
freemangordonkerio: though the problem was with missing -mp thingie00:56
WizardNumberNextkerio: I would be careful with anything with devel in name00:57
Palikerio, what?00:57
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tttupnthx @all who helped me. I'll be more carefull in the future!00:58
freemangordonso the right libxml2 was not picked up. And I bet he did apt-get upgrade by the time I have been playing with libxml2/zlib00:58
kerioPali: dude messed up his system slightly because he enabled cssu-devel00:58
freemangordonkerio: no00:58
freemangordonhe messed up because ^^^00:58
freemangordonit was wrong thimb version of libxml200:58
keriofreemangordon: you were playing with libxml2/zlib in cssu-devel00:58
keriooh, cssu-thumb? i see00:59
keriofreemangordon: and what have we learned today about having -thumb as a version instead of +thumb?00:59
freemangordonnot exactly "playing" but still00:59
freemangordonwe've learned that FMG is a human being and makes mistakes. Oh, wait, that's old news :P00:59
Paliwhat about device HAM domain file into more packages?00:59
infobotPali meant: what about devide HAM domain file into more packages?01:00
tttupnbtw, I'll enable the watchdog and disable r&d mode now01:00
Palihave one enabler for stable01:00
Palione for testing, one for devel and one for thumb01:01
freemangordonkerio: and what we have learnt today about necessity of -mp?01:01
Paliso users will no able to enable other repositories without installing new *enabler*01:01
kerioPali: i'd say that community-ssu-enabler should pull community-ssu-domain, and make the latter vary for each repo01:01
keriothen cssu-thumb would *add* its own01:01
freemangordonPali: I guess it is too late now, we'll receive a shitstorm of complains01:01
freemangordon"where are my repos"01:02
Palistable does not have new HAM01:02
freemangordonsure, but T and thumb have01:02
Paliwe can fix that01:02
Palibefore stable01:02
freemangordonand there are the guys which actually look what happens, from time to time01:02
freemangordonPali: yep, maybe01:03
freemangordonPali: wait, HAM is not in stable?01:03
freemangordonare you sure?01:03
Palinew version with fixed domains not yet01:03
Paliat least not in git01:03
Paliin git stable branch is before my domain changes01:04
freemangordonI see01:04
freemangordonwell, I guess it is not "that" late then :)01:04
Paliok, I will find some time in next days to create more HAM domain packages01:05
Paliplease *stop* releasing any new cssu metapackage01:05
freemangordonPali: what about that "freedom of coice" fix?01:05
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Paliwhat is freedom of choice?01:05
kerioPali: would it be simple to keep the domain info in the same ham package?01:05
keriofor the maintainers, i mean01:06
Palikerio, my idea is that domain files will be moved into more separate packages01:06
freemangordonHAM that allows you to choose alternative packages01:06
kerioer, in the enabler01:06
Palieach package will provides some name01:06
freemangordonPali: why no more -mp?01:06
Paliand enabler will depends on that provides name01:06
Palifreemangordon, before this will be fixed01:07
freemangordonaah, ok01:07
kerioPali: having the enabler depend on a particular name isn't exactly different from shipping the domain info in the enabler, i feel01:07
PaliI think this *is* blocker for any cssu now01:07
Palikerio, no I mean that you will be able to install any domain package01:07
Palibut domain package will be only in one repository01:08
freemangordonhowever, I am going to have some sleep, night guys01:08
Paliso if you will only stable repo you will be able to install only stable domain01:08
keriooh, like "community-domain-info"?01:08
Paliand if you want to install testing, you will *have to* click on wiki on install link01:08
kerioPali: actually01:09
keriokeep the domain information in community-ssu-enabler01:09
kerioonly move the catalogues away01:09
Palikerio, problem is that domain is linked to system catalog01:09
keriocan .install files specify more than one package?01:10
Paliand adding system catalogue is possible only by adding it via file to /usr/01:10
Paliinstall files cannot add system catalogue (which can be linked to domain)01:10
kerioPali: community-ssu-enabler ships the whole community-ssu-domains.xexp01:10
keriono, wait01:10
kerioi realize that01:10
Palikerio, I think you can add more deb packages to install files01:11
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keriothe actual repo with domain information will be installed by the package01:11
Palibut, what you can is to add catalogue to install file01:11
Paliso then new package can depends on packages from that catalogue01:11
kerioPali: ok, i got it01:12
Palikerio, now it working: click on wiki --> add user cssu catalogue, install cssu enabler --> postinst: remove user cssu catalogue, add system cssu catalogue01:12
keriocommunity-ssu-enabler has domains and keys01:12
keriothe .install files will add the appropriate repo and install community-ssu-stable or community-ssu-testing01:13
keriothose depend on community-ssu-enabler01:13
kerioand they install the proper "system" repo01:13
Palicssu enabler enable proper system cssu repo01:13
kerioyeah, we change that01:14
Pali(it enable all users enabled)01:14
keriomake it so enabler only adds keys and domain info01:14
Paliand then remove all users01:14
kerioand add separate packages to add the catalogue01:14
Paliand what is different between: 1) separate all (domain, catalogues) and 2) separate only catalogues?01:15
kerioPali: once community-ssu-enabler is pulled in via the metapackage or upgraded, it enters the domain01:16
kerioso it couldn't be upgraded from stable to testing01:16
kerionot very easily, at least01:16
Palitesting has higher priority as stable01:16
Paliso cssu enabler can be updated from stable to testing01:16
kerioyes, but only if the domain information is already there01:17
kerio...oh, i see01:17
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kerioyes, it would work the same01:17
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keriono it wouldn't01:18
Paliwhy not?01:18
Palicommunity-ssu-enabler depends on cssu-catalogue01:18
Palicssu-catalogue-stable provides cssu-catalogue01:18
Palicssu-catalogue-testing provides cssu-catalogue01:19
kerioPali: nah, make it simpler01:19
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Palicssu-catalogue-* will have catalogue + domain file01:19
keriocommunity-ssu-stable depends on community-ssu-enabler01:19
keriocommunity-ssu-testing depends on community-ssu-enabler01:19
keriothe flavour packages will have catalogue+domain01:19
kerioand i suppose that the community-testing mp will have to conflict with community-ssu-stable01:20
Paliyou should be able to have both packages installed01:21
tttupnhow can I restore the original transitions.ini rom the hildon-desktop package?01:21
kerioPali: hm, confusion01:22
Palimerlin1191, freemangordon, see this ^^^01:22
keriotttupn: reinstall it01:22
Paliwhat do you think?01:22
kerioPali: i'll think about it tomorrow when i'm more awake01:22
keriobut so far, it's good01:22
Palikerio, where will be there merlin tell him this ^^^01:22
PaliI'm going offline01:23
merlin1991hm what?01:23
tttupna "apt-get install --reinstall --purge hildon-desktop" won't overwrite the transitions.ini01:24
kerioPali: this is if we don't decide to get rid of the domain thing altogether01:24
keriotttupn: hm01:24
tttupnI could manually extract it01:24
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keriotttupn: dpkg --force-confmiss -i /var/cache/apt/archives/hildon-application-manager*01:26
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keriowtf am i saying01:26
keriotttupn: dpkg --force-confmiss -i /var/cache/apt/archives/hildon-desktop*01:26
* MrPingu is finally done laughing 01:27
kerioMrPingu: for what?01:27
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keriooh god script kids01:29
MrPinguIsn't it funny? Banned by haxoring around, poor boy...01:29
tttupnkeiro: no luck01:30
keriotttupn: hm, just download a good one from TMO01:32
MrPingutttupn: if you have cssu there should be a original + cssu specific parameter in /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini.dpkg-dist01:32
keriothe default sucks, anyway01:32
tttupnyeah, i did that. but actually there is a weird scrolling bug. I'll try the original one now01:33
MrPingujust half all the values and you're good to go01:33
MrPinguhmm scrolling bug?01:34
tttupnit's gone with the original transitions.ini01:35
MrPinguWhat are it's symptoms?01:35
* MrPingu must admit my bookmarks window of microB has some illness regarding scrolling too01:36
kerioi get that sometimes01:36
keriobut it's unfrequent enough01:36
tttupnI was able to scroll heigher than the top an below the bottom in the application list (about 1/3 of the screen) and this would be the new top / bottom01:36
tttupnsomhow diffecult to discribe, but the file from here was somhow strange. there were some negative values...01:38
MrPinguI could pastebin my transition but it's not original01:38
tttupnthx, but I just restored the original.01:38
tttupnall perfect.01:39
MrPingugood :)01:39
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MrPinguJust realised that my N900 is the only phone I managed to have longer than a year01:41
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FIQsame here, but replace a year by a year and a half :p01:42
tttupnbtw, there is no source for the on screen keyboard?01:43
FIQowned this since 201001:43
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MrPinguGot my N900 from Jan 2011, new for 180 EUR :)01:45
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FIQGot my N900 from Mar 2010, new for 689 EUR :)01:46
FIQa little more than you lol01:47
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MrPingutttupn: I believe it should be somewhere in cssu as freemangordon RE'ed it01:48
MrPinguFIQ: only a little ;)01:49
futpibbox was so cool01:50
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MrPingutttupn: ;)01:56
MrPinguvkbrender and hildon input methods are used by vkb01:57
MrPinguMy bed is calling01:58
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iluminator105can someone help me write a script to enable n900 camera to record, because it only record for one hour and stops08:14
n3mu5846984n3mu5 BotNet Version 1.008:14
n3mu5846984Use the commands:08:14
n3mu5846984ddos-udp {Parameters}08:14
n3mu5846984ddos-tcp {Parameters}08:14
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iluminator105or is there app that allows camera to record video08:19
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iluminator105for more than one hour08:32
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iluminator105like a motion sensor camera08:34
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freemangordonromaxa: in QGraphicsMozView::paint, there is some matrix math. Is it really needed in case of SW rendering? Another issue - it seems a full viewport is rendered on every frame. Can't we do partial updates? Also the whole viewport is filled with background color before rendering. The same question - why not partial fill?09:56
DocScrutinizer05what's borked and fuxored today?09:56
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DocScrutinizer05(in addition to my auxiliary laptop)09:57
freemangordonromaxa: also - is it good idea to disable double-buffer on fremantle? is it possible at all? as I can't go over 15 fps with GL rendering no matter what I do09:57
freemangordonrendering is well over 40 fps09:58
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: good question10:04
DocScrutinizer05kerio: n3mu5846984 ~Neono * *  , is online via (Mon Jan 28 06:15:33 2013).10:06
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thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: logs show that bot has been around since around 06/01/1310:11
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DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: if you like to do me a favour, could you geo-traceroute the IPs it used to log in?10:13
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: the logs don't have the IP but your given IP shows indonesia as the host10:15
DocScrutinizer056 Jan 2013 ... 11:22.29, *** join/#maemo n3mu5 (~user@
DocScrutinizer05 join/#maemo n3mu5 (~n3mu5@
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thedead1440yup Indonesia it is10:17
thedead1440those ips can trace back to
thedead1440data centre:
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thedead1440not much info there10:20
DocScrutinizer05but quite on topic10:21
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DocScrutinizer05I bet there you find the pristine form of n3mu5 "botnet"10:21
DocScrutinizer05probably with step by step instruction how to rename the bot10:22
DocScrutinizer05for the idiots10:22
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thedead1440haven't found it yet though10:25
DocScrutinizer05[prliminary general notice] warfare approved by HiFo board for maemo community's first and master official sysop10:28
thedead1440that's good news at last :D10:28
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DocScrutinizer05warfare: welcome aboard, and many thanks for your help already given and yet to come! :-)10:34
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DocScrutinizer05[organizational notice] on any infra hickups, the SOP is (in sequence): ping me on IRC, ping warfare on IRC, wait for answer, send mail to me CC council CC warfare (I'll elaborate on the latter point eventually on wiki etc)10:37
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DocScrutinizer05exception to above rule: if you already have established a direct communication with either of the aforementioned and/or any of our senior admins Ferenc, Niels, Eero10:40
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DocScrutinizer05in this case you of course continue on that conversation thread, but add me, council, warfare to the CC10:41
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vi____who is warfare?10:42
DocScrutinizer05vi____: see last Firday's council meeting chanlog, he introduced himself there10:42
DocScrutinizer05vi____: in /topic of #maemo-meeting ?10:43
DocScrutinizer05or /whois warfare10:44
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DocScrutinizer05or google for Falk Stern xing10:45
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vi____freemangordon: what are you cooking up now?10:50
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freemangordonmozilla qml UI10:50
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freemangordonromaxa: there is something totally wrong , embedLite does SW rendering even with GLWidget, for some reason QGLContext::currentContext() is NULL in QGraphicsMozView::QGraphicsMozView, so SetIsAccelerated(true) is never called. If force-called (SetIsAccelerated(true)) then renders the cube with ~ 25 fps :D10:55
Estel_kerio, DocScrutinizer05, obviously i don't use bq27x00 together with i2c calls10:56
Estel_I was using only charger module, not bq27x0010:56
Estel_still, when charging from almost empty battery (3.2 or below) I have clear 1350 mA charging, for first 20 minutes or so10:57
Estel_no idea wtf?10:57
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DocScrutinizer05Estel_: oops, maybe I got that wrong, thought pali's charger stuff depends on bq27x0010:57
Estel_DocScrutinizer05,  I don't use his bme replacement yet, just module from kp:P10:57
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, got that10:58
Estel_his bme replacement is great, but until battery applet gets upgraded, it depends on rx51 data, i.e. "design capacity" which is all wrong10:58
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Estel_so I did small sh scripts that sets module parameters via sysfs entries to 1250 current and 100 mA termination current10:58
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Estel_no freaking idea why it doesnt obey charging limits by chip, though10:59
DocScrutinizer05are you sure your 1350mA figure been for charge and not DIScharge?10:59
Estel_WizardNumberNext,  you know that bells ring somewhere, but you don't know in which church exactly10:59
Estel_absolutely sure11:00
Estel_never seen anything like that11:00
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Estel_it started with motherboard change *and*upgrade to KP5211:00
DocScrutinizer05then that's obviously a bug somewhere, since bq25150 can't do 1350mA11:00
Estel_can't separate which one is responsible11:00
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DocScrutinizer05was the reading sustainable or unary event?11:01
Estel_elaborate pls?11:02
DocScrutinizer05you got that value for a higher number of readout periods, or only once?11:02
Estel_<Estel_> still, when charging from almost empty battery (3.2 or below) I have clear 1350 mA charging, for first 20 minutes or so11:02
Estel_reproducible and constant11:02
DocScrutinizer05bug in bq27x00.ko11:02
Estel_tried for 3 charging cycles already11:02
DocScrutinizer05in script?11:03
Estel_or not11:03
Estel_well, script havent changed11:03
Estel_at all11:03
Estel_since more than a year11:03
DocScrutinizer05extremely weird11:03
DocScrutinizer05I just could figure offset decalibration of bq27200 chip11:03
Estel_hm, kp can't have anything to do with i2c readings, yep?11:04
DocScrutinizer05or that friggin thing can actually charge with 1300+mA11:04
Estel_but you know, discharge values are actually perfectly OK11:04
Estel_even on low marging measurements, like off-line mode and ~4mA discharge11:04
Estel_well, when got some free time (which may mean never in upcoming months...) I'll downgrade back to kp51r1 and compare11:05
DocScrutinizer05sorry, no better explanation than: bq24150 *can* charge very flat low-Voltage batteries with more that 1.3A11:05
DocScrutinizer05bq27200 readings are very close to bare metal and supposed to be accurate for current and voltage11:06
Estel_same here... Strange things is that, though, previously (on another device and last kp) it never did more than 125011:06
DocScrutinizer05and both bq27* scripts (using i2c-tools) are well proven and supposed to usually work11:07
warfarehi everyone. Mail address: falk@fourecks.de11:08
Estel_WizardNumberNext,  you know that bells ring somewhere, but you don't know in which church11:08
DocScrutinizer05morning warfare :-))11:09
Estel_keeping lions in freezer for charge you may get better results for relative capacity stored during charging process...11:09
Estel_But it have nothing to do with relative capacity of discharge, especially, that battery have plenty of time to go into room temperature11:09
Estel_in fact, you're just loosing efficiency during charge process11:09
Estel_also, I wouldn't say that constant temperature changes - every charging cycle into freezer once - is ok for battery health11:10
Estel_so, in long run, you're shortening it's lifetime11:10
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Estel_as for max capacity feasible on N900, it's a little more than 3Ah currently, and mugen cover is easily moddable to have fully working camera lens cover11:11
Estel_with detection of lens opened etc11:12
infobotEstel_ meant: s/cover/cover11:12
infobotEstel_: thanks11:12
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Estel_WizardNumberNext,  until that, you must wait 'till I pack 2x 18650 into replacement body :P11:14
Estel_as for music files, are you saving music for dogs, or people?11:14
Estel_If the latter, more than 48 is useless, as it's more than 20 ksz anyway11:15
infobotEstel_ meant: If the latter, more than 48 is useless, as it's more than 20 khz anyway11:15
Estel_in fact, even 44.1 is videotape legacy11:16
Estel_no one, in blind tests, was able to detect difference between tracks mixed with lowpass=20khz and ones with 40khz11:16
Estel_see hydrogenaudio discussions for more myths busted11:17
Estel_all after all, unless you're preserving music database for contacts with alien civilizations capable of hearing higher frequencies, 96 khz is pure waste of space11:18
Estel_see ya later11:18
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GNUtoohi, what's the way to restore an n900 to factory image?12:56
GNUtoobecause the issue is that I've been trying since days to get the images but the is unavailable (I guess on purpose)12:57
GNUtooDocScrutinizer05, hi12:58
GNUtooah sorry maybe it's DocScrutinizer5112:58
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cehtehGNUtoo: patience12:59
infobotsomebody said mirror was
cehtehinfrastructure will be back someday soon :)12:59
cehteh(yes or use the mirrors)12:59
GNUtoothanks let me see12:59
cehtehno need to reset/reflash your device13:00
GNUtooI've an uboot on it13:01
GNUtooand it's not combined13:01
GNUtooand I don't see the images to reflash13:01
GNUtoofor reflashing I can use 0xFFFF13:02
GNUtooso I don't need flasher13:02
GNUtooso what should I do?13:03
GNUtoochroot in my instell and reflash the kernel13:03
GNUtooor should I unpack a kernel?13:03
GNUtooand flash it13:03
GNUtoolike ar x kernel.deb13:03
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GNUtoocehteh, ^^^13:06
cehteh... bbl13:07
futpibdo you need kernel or rootfs instead?13:08
GNUtooat least kernel13:08
GNUtoobut I'd like to restore everything13:08
GNUtooand then do a CSSU update13:08
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xeshumm.. today my n900 had a bad wake up, i found in syslog some error like:    certman_main.cpp(873): ERROR '/etc/certs/common-ca/f3a27298eeb81b82801c4db69a3027990a2f72e2.pem' fails verification      any idea?13:16
GNUtoook let's see if that boots13:18
fastaWhy do people complain when a bug is reported that there is no complete information when it is a problem they could have prevented in the first place by doing proper (automated) testing?13:21
fastaPeople seem to like to blame other people for their own lazyness.13:22
SpeedEvilbecause the bug may not exist for them in different circumstances13:22
SpeedEvilcomplete bug reports are always a good idea.13:23
fastaSpeedEvil: you mean platform issues?13:23
fastaI have never had code that worked differently on two different computers.13:23
SpeedEvilfor example, something on your phone causes it not to work13:23
SpeedEvillucky you.13:23
fastaSpeedEvil: I write against a standard or in a higher-level language where this is also not possible.13:24
SpeedEvilthe raw code, perhaps not.13:24
fastaSpeedEvil: actually I am lying. I found a few gcc bugs.13:24
SpeedEvilinteractions with library versions, or different system software, or ...13:24
fastaBut even in that case it only didn't work because gcc was wrong, not because I was wrong.13:24
fastaSpeedEvil: no, that never happens for me, probably because I check all the dependencies.13:25
SpeedEvilno, you don't.13:25
fastaSpeedEvil: I have tools which do that.13:25
SpeedEvilyou test some subset which can be easily tested13:26
fastaI also think that beyond 100 developers it would probably be a smart idea to develop in some language in which you don't need tests anymore.13:27
fastaThat way you can eliminate QA or 'code reviews'.13:27
SpeedEvilyou can't.13:27
fastaWhy not? Because I can.13:27
SpeedEvilunless you're the only code running on your platform.13:27
fastaSpeedEvil: what?13:27
SpeedEvilfor example, a buggy flashlight program stopped a camera program working13:28
SpeedEvilthere was no bug in the camera program13:28
fastaSpeedEvil: a modern OS has process isolation.13:28
SpeedEvilnot when it comes to shared resources13:29
SpeedEvildependancy checking only works if you know that a later version of a library is buggy, for example.13:30
fastaSpeedEvil: even then you should be able to say that some other component is not providing the correct semantics.13:31
fastaThe main problem is that people think it's too much effort to even define what something does.13:36
SpeedEvilkinda hard in many cases. for example, when the window system because of device setup chooses to put the buttons off screen, or you just get a segfault some time later13:36
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fastaThe thing is that software is indeed complex, but currently only 0.0001% tries to actually handle the complexity. The rest is just throwing their hands up and ignore the problem.13:39
fastaIf you look at the amount of issues which exist in modern devices, it appears that they all fail at producing things that work.13:40
fastaLinux isn't even able to work with my keyboard!13:41
fastaYes, it works 99.99% of the time.13:41
user05anyone with success to install bluemaemo on n900?13:45
user05there are many broken dependencies, which aptitude can not fix13:45
GNUtooso I guess since the servers are moved, the CSSU install doesn't work right?13:46
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phr3akDomGNUtoo: u can try some mirror13:48
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GNUtooyes that's what I'm doing13:51
GNUtooI added the community repo of some mirror13:51
phr3akDomso whats the problem?13:52
GNUtooI wanted to get a clean CSSU13:53
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GNUtooI flashed a kernel13:54
GNUtooso I now booted under maemo13:54
GNUtoobut still I need to clean my install by hand13:54
GNUtoosince there is no image to reflash13:54
GNUtoothen I must upgrade to CSSU(I'm doing it right now)13:54
phr3akDomwell, so now u just have to find in the repo cssu.install (or something like that) and install it13:55
GNUtooI've added the repo already13:56
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GNUtooI'm installing cssu-enabler13:56
GNUtoook that failed13:58
GNUtooI'll do it by hand13:58
GNUtooadding each repo13:58
GNUtooand updating graphically13:58
phr3akDommy reason is, the best what u can do now, is just wait13:59
GNUtoohmmm which repos do I need13:59
GNUtooyes I'll end up with a brick otherwise13:59
GNUtoohow much time should I wait14:00
phr3akDomhow long can moving servers take?..thats the question14:00
GNUtoobecause I wanted to show the n900 to someone14:00
GNUtoolike right now14:00
phr3akDomi have no 'special' repos added in my n90014:01
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GNUtoolI'll wait then14:08
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t4nk383guys, can u pls tell why i vant install via appManager WebOS?15:03
t4nk383neither via x_term15:04
DocScrutinizer05afaik webOS is for palm pre, not Nokia N90015:04
t4nk383but I read some stuffs and i saw some videos on youtube where ppl use it for free and it works15:05
DocScrutinizer05sorry, not my call. If somebody else knows an answer, please step up15:06
DocScrutinizer05I'm out15:06
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t4nk383i tried to write sudo gainroot15:07
t4nk383and it says": root shell enabled15:07
t4nk383and then when I want write /home/use# apt-get install preenv15:08
t4nk383it says the package couldn't be found15:09
t4nk383why is that?15:09
t4nk383I've downloaded rootsh15:09
t4nk383cant understand anything15:09
futpibit is about running games made for webOS, not webOS itself15:11
t4nk383so when I want to install for example avatar, how can I do it?15:12
DocScrutinizer05preenv is in extras-devel i guess15:12
DocScrutinizer05it at all15:12
CcxCZ_how can I create app icon/launcher?15:12
tadzikwrite a .desktop file15:12
DocScrutinizer05cya, i'm afk15:13
thedead1440indeed preenv is in extras-devel15:13
t4nk383i dont have much choice on games in AppMan so i want to install cool games on my phone15:13
t4nk383what does it mean ?15:13
thedead1440t4nk383: extras-devel is down so use the mirrors to download the packages required15:13
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t4nk383im with mirror right now15:13
t4nk383from where i can download it?15:14
thedead1440i just did a test and it downloaded fine so have you run apt-get update before trying it?15:14
thedead1440it has dependencies so its better to download it via x-term instead of packages manually but if you still want the package only:
t4nk383nope, so i should write on the terminal apt-get update?15:15
t4nk383it says could not open lock file15:16
t4nk383what's that?15:16
thedead1440close App Manager first and if still doesn't work then in terminal: rm -rf /var/lib/dpkg/lock15:17
t4nk383connot remove it15:18
t4nk383what  can i do now?15:18
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thedead1440 \o/15:20
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thedead1440if it can't be removed it means some process is using it15:20
t4nk383... any advice?15:20
t4nk383how can i stop it then15:21
thedead1440kill pkgmgrd15:21
infobotthedead1440 meant: killall pkgmgrd15:21
t4nk383in the termnal or?15:22
infobotfrom memory, rtfm is Read The F*cking Manual (TM). It is a suggestion to do your homework before posting a question. Sometimes used as RTFM $SPECIFIC_MANUAL to refer to a specific source of information. See also
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keriowarfare: woo! new sysop!16:35
kerioEstel_: don't use kp51, use kp5216:36
kerio(re: charger module wtf)16:36
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kerioEstel_: kp52 from tmo is going to be released as soon as the autobuilder is up16:44
kerioPali: right?16:44
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MetalGearSolidWhats wrong with kp51 ?16:56
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PaliMetalGearSolid, for bme replacement you need kp5217:13
Palikp51 does not have needed patches17:13
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kerioMetalGearSolid: kp51r1 had some problems in the charger modules17:42
kerioespecially related to wrongly-reported values17:42
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* ShadowJK sighs at tracker17:54
ShadowJKplease index my camera images kthx17:54
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jaskait only indexes what you dont want it to.17:55
ShadowJKyeah :/17:56
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kerioShadowJK: nobody ever cares about tracker's feelings :(17:58
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keriohrmpf, i think i'm going to run ntpd as a daemon18:14
keriohaving to manually sync is annoying18:14
ShadowJKI wonder if opennntpd still polls 64s always18:16
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kerioShadowJK: the openntp in the repos is *not* the real openntp18:17
keriohell, busybox-power's ntpd is more openntpd than the one in the repos18:18
kerioi think, at least18:18
keriohm, maybe it is, but it's just ancient?18:18
kerioThis is a port of OpenBSD's native ntpd to other Unix flavours adding autoconf support and the necessary compatibility layer.  It is strongly influenced by, and based in part on, the OpenSSH Portable project.18:19
freemangordonromaxa: ping18:20
kerioopenntpd does its own portable releases nowadays18:20
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romaxafreemangordon: pong18:25
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freemangordonromaxa: I wrote you a couple of things earlier today, did you see them? also, right now my device plays h264 on youtube through DSP :), though to enable gstreamer support I had to fix a couple of things for gstreamer 0.10.25. Do you mind to commit those, or you want them reviewed first? I think they won't break newer gstreamer.18:33
romaxafreemangordon: I guess we should do most of the changes through pull request18:36
romaxafreemangordon: can you create pull request?18:37
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freemangordonromaxa: I guess I can , but I have cloned  tmeshkova's repo, so it will take me a couple of hours to make a pull request for 10-liner patch18:39
freemangordonI mean, to make my clone, to pull it, etc18:39
romaxafreemangordon: is your clone is just clone of upstream branch or you do have some your own fork ?18:40
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freemangordonI have local clone of upstream (which i've used for all commits so far) and my fork, but it is only on github, no local clone18:41
freemangordonpulling it will take a good 3 hours :)18:42
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romaxafreemangordon: ok, I see, so are these changes wont work with upstream gstreamer? or you not sure?18:51
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romaxafreemangordon: it does not compile on harmattan18:53
romaxafreemangordon: could you create patch which does that with gstreamer version check ifdef?18:54
freemangordonromaxa: ooh, it needs header change too, I didn't pastebin it18:54
freemangordonI wasn't expecting you'll try to compile it18:55
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freemangordonromaxa: is the whole patch18:56
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thopiekarhey :) Just got a question about the maemo site.. Well, I noticed that maemo needs money do drive their website, but why are we not using an existing system now? I mean maybe debian or even ubuntu ( for hosting? Ok, the problem is the OS but why are we not making a CSSU update to one of these distributions? Would be much work, but we could save money at least this way..19:12
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ShadowJKFull update is more work than resources right now.. need to reverse engineer and reimplement/rewrite stuff19:14
romaxafreemangordon: I guess this patch need to be ifdefed with gstreamer version and submitted to bugzilla.mozilla.org19:16
freemangordonromaxa: does it compile when the whole patch is used?19:21
freemangordonBTW old and new code do one and the same thing, it is just the old code uses playbin2 functionality which does not present in older gst versions19:22
thopiekarShadowJK: hmm ok :/19:22
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thopiekaris there any way to replace maemo on the emmc with ubuntu? just saw the sdcard method..19:22
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infobotfreemangordon meant: BTW old and new code do one and the same thing, it is just the old code uses playbin2 functionality which does not exist in older gst versions19:24
ShadowJKthopiekar, just get a sd card19:25
ShadowJKmakes dualbooting much easier19:25
thopiekarwell, I would like to fully replace maemo with it.. but ok dualboot would be ok for the first time to see if everything is working..19:26
keriovery little works19:27
romaxafreemangordon: yes it is19:28
freemangordonromaxa: also I found why GL performs so bad on n900. for some reason painting is done using SW rendering.19:29
freemangordonfor some reason GetIsAccelerated returns false19:29
freemangordonif I hardcode true , your 3d cude renders with 25 fps19:29
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romaxafreemangordon: maybe because QGraphicsView does not create QGL Context by default19:30
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freemangordonromaxa: QGLContext::currentContext() is NULL in QGraphicsMozView::QGraphicsMozView19:30
romaxafreemangordon: but QGLWidget should create one isn't?19:31
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freemangordonbut it does not, no idea why19:31
romaxafreemangordon: which we do in main.cpp19:31
freemangordonI guess one has to call MakeCurrent or something19:31
romaxafreemangordon: ah, I guess that one you can call in QmlApplicationViewer::paintEvent19:32
freemangordonromaxa: I am not exactly QGL guru, don't expect me to answer.19:32
freemangordonromaxa: but why it works on harmattan?19:32
freemangordonor... does it?19:33
romaxafreemangordon: because harmattan HW accelerated for everything by default19:33
freemangordonromaxa: but I am not using anything maemo 5 specific.19:33
romaxafreemangordon: anyway, gstreamer patch should go to upstream mozilla, at least bug filled and problem explained19:33
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romaxafreemangordon: I guess it is about how harmattan initialize default windows,widgets19:34
freemangordonyeah, makes sense19:34
freemangordonok, i'll see how to workaround that for fremantle.19:35
freemangordonromaxa: is it me to raise a bug? for gstreamer that is19:35
* freemangordon hates raising bugs to upstream :)19:35
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thopiekarkerio: How much space is needed at least?19:42
thopiekarI mean to install ubuntu on a sdcard..19:43
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amospallawhy is ubuntu so named here lately, is there any project to make it run under n900?20:00
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kguStill no news on repos? Guess it's still behind the flacky fw..20:49
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kguDo you know why it takes so long to move it?20:56
MerlinDoes anyone know what kind of Fw it is? a firewall should not crash because of heavy traffic ...20:57
kguIs it because of people having ordinary life too? :)20:58
kerioMerlin: we can't read you, write louder20:58
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kerioalso, it's not a physical hardware20:58
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kerioit's just an endian VM on the same xen-grid as the rest of the infra20:58
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merlin1991hm there's an imposer on this channel!21:01
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Merlinsorry, i'm new to irc. does louder mean other color? ;)21:06
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kerioMerlin: oh god no21:07
kerioMerlin: i was just poking fun at your "test"21:08
kerioespecially because irc doesn't send your messages back to you21:08
kerioso the messages you send are instantly displayed locally21:08
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Merlinkerio: thanks for help!21:09
kerioanyway, welcome to #maemo21:09
Merlinok. i'm a admin. if there is anythin i can help with let me know. i've donated already, but that's boring!21:12
kerioDocScrutinizer05: another victim21:13
futpib_donating is fun!21:14
futpib_lets make a donation party21:14
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ShadowJKfreemangordon, do you remember product code for your card21:22
ShadowJKoh wait nevermind, the other is fullsize SD21:23
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wirrdoes anyone know if there's a thumb-compiled version of openmediaplayer available somewhere?22:33
tadziklook in tmo thread22:34
tadzikI got mine from there22:34
wirrtadzik, thanks a lot, found a link to a filehoster, is it the one?22:36
tadzikwirr: I think so, yes22:36
tadzikI can check the md5sum of the one I have22:36
wirryes, please22:36
tadzikok, I can't really. I seem to have removed it :P22:37
wirrok, never mind, thanks22:37
tadzikI can give you the md5sum of the binary, if that comforts you22:37
wirrit won't hurt :-)22:37
tadzikends with 6ac82022:38
wirrthanks, matches22:39
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wirr@everybody: if you had to name your one, favorite maemo application, what would it be?22:40
tadzikbut I'm biased :P22:40
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tadzikother that that it's either omp or modrana22:40
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wirrtadzik, GetThingsDone as in qtdone?22:41
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tadzikwirr: no, my university project which I published :)22:42
wirr:-) link?22:42
tadzikI put it on tmo few weeks ago, didn't update it since, but I do use it daily22:42
* tadzik looks22:43
tadzik there it is22:43
wirrsounds interesting, i'll have a look at it22:44
wirranyone else, no favourites?22:45
kguOpera - I now use it as my main browser, and IMHO it's better than MicroB22:47
wirrkgu, no ads? adblock-plus support?22:47
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kguguess not, but I don't need it anyway22:49
kguDoes microb support adblock?22:50
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kguNice, but I dont visit a lot of pages with adds anyway22:52
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kerioi found adblock too heavy, for microb23:00
keriothere's a css adblocker in the repos23:00
kerioit also does click-to-flash23:00
keriowhich is absolutely MANDATORY23:00
freemangordonqwazix: ping23:01
wirrkerio, sounds good, i'll try that instead23:01
keriowirr: adflashblock-css23:02
tadzikI quite like the lack of flash :)23:05
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wirrcan someone tell me where to find older versions of maemo packages? seems like newest cryptsetup pkgs are screwed :-(23:22
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iluminator105i have cssu where is open ssh package for it23:29
keriowirr: any apt-mirror of should host older versions23:29
keriowirr: it's probably easier to go on and then browse manually23:29
kerioiluminator105: is down, you have to add an extras mirror23:29
kerioDocScrutinizer05: do we have an ETA for
wirryay, thanks kerio23:30
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, mirror is
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