IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2013-01-18

Ultima_Fanalright. Nothing to do but wait, then. I appreciate it, I spent the last hour trying to figure this out : P00:00
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* ShadowJK doesn't understand waiting for dns updates, thought it was done already :)00:01
ShadowJKand now it was just shut down waiting for akamai to stop00:01
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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: hm?00:20
qwazixwtf is akamai?00:20
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DocScrutinizer05the darknet google cloud00:21
Ultima_Fanakamai, the keeper of the prophecy!00:21
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DocScrutinizer05mass hoster, server farms00:22
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qwazixand what does that have to do with maemo?00:23
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DocScrutinizer05the guys that made shiiping of updates delay 4 weeks in england00:23
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: pointed to akamai server farms00:23
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DocScrutinizer05those server farms synced to stage.maemo.org00:25
DocScrutinizer05and that killed us 2 days ago00:25
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Ultima_Fanso essentially we're waiting for nokia to change something over?00:26
DocScrutinizer05since akamai has/had *plenty* of those servers trying to sync the repos from stage.m.o00:26
DocScrutinizer05and they have real PHAT backbone to get poor little xen-grid rack down to his knees00:27
DocScrutinizer05so we stopped vserver, asked Nokia to immediately remove the DNS, and Eero decided to rename 'master' repository to repository.maemo.org00:29
DocScrutinizer05now we're waiting for Nokia to point that DNS to stage.m.o vserver00:29
DocScrutinizer05though that vserver isn't active yet, not even via IP00:30
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: ^^^ also to you00:30
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Ultima_FanSo Nokia has basically ended support for the n900?00:34   300     IN      CNAME 21600 IN CNAME
kerioUltima_Fan: transferred to hildon foundation00:34
keriobut the hardware support is still theirs00:34
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kerioif you're under warranty00:34
Ultima_FanThat's a good thing00:34
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DocScrutinizer05actually I guess is ~300 servers worldwide00:35
DocScrutinizer05ballpark figure00:36
DocScrutinizer05I guess for you'll find a pretty similar structure00:38
DocScrutinizer05that's why sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, depending on the IP you got for from your nameserver00:39
DocScrutinizer05some of those boxen seem to bitrot since years now00:39
Palihow supl working?00:41
DocScrutinizer05err, cloudy ideas here00:41
DocScrutinizer05sends your aproximate location and time, and you get back a list of parameters to get those sats in your GPS rx00:42
Paliso supl has full database?00:42
DocScrutinizer05even updated by real GPS stations all over the world, to compensate for atmospheric errors00:43
DocScrutinizer05but ask SpeedEvil, he's our GPS pope00:44
SpeedEvilno real idea how supl works00:44
SpeedEvilin practice00:44
DocScrutinizer05oh? :-D00:44
SpeedEvilI know how agps in various forms work.00:45
SpeedEviljust don't know how supl is setup00:45
DocScrutinizer05well, that *is* supl, no?00:45
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SpeedEvilwell, yes.00:46
SpeedEvilbut there are lots of options.00:46
SpeedEvilfrom just dumping an accurate almanac and ephemeris, on.00:47
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, sure. I gave the simplified picture00:47
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DocScrutinizer05for data compression, they send only the part of alm/eph that applies to your coarse location, and only for a few hours into the future00:51
DocScrutinizer05that's why AGPS with supl needs an idea of the country you're in, and a correct system time00:52
ShadowJKAll the material by manufacturers seems to essentially claim that everyone is proprietary and different00:52
SpeedEvilwhole almanac is only 3.5k ish00:52
DocScrutinizer05(well, the system time is even more important for the gps chip then picking the correct coefficients from alm7eph)00:53
SpeedEvilprobably 2k without the GPS framing00:53
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DocScrutinizer05the local correction factors for atmospheric errors though...00:55
DocScrutinizer05atmos & other00:55
DocScrutinizer05you can't get accuracy of sub-10m-range without those afaik00:56
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qwazixI can't seem to find the Maemo5 sdk rootstrap...01:02
qwazixDo I qualify for a beer?01:02
brknack @ qwazix01:02
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qwazixbrkn is this ours?
brknsec checking on server01:07
brknnot my mirror01:07
qwazixnah, it's old...01:07
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lundeKerio:what does the file do /etc/ffserver.conf05:22
Skryit's a configuration file for ffserver05:26
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Snafu777So, I lost myself today06:15
robbiethe1stBut now you're found?06:16
Snafu777Nah, sadly not06:16
Snafu777Hey robbie!, i got the error for ya06:16
Snafu777one sec06:16
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Snafu777When trying to load internal memory or the backup menu itself based on the newest version in the debs..  I cannot tell u cuz my battery is nuked, and currently awaiting a new one06:17
Snafu777Heres the error06:17
Snafu777Starting /usr/share/backupmenu/BackupMenuLauncher.item from nand (mtdblock4 jffs2)...06:18
Snafu777It just stays like that06:18
Snafu777white screen06:18
Snafu777with black text06:18
robbiethe1stIs this fresh, install, what?06:20
Snafu777pr 1.306:20
robbiethe1stAnd you didn't install /anything/ else?06:20
Snafu777with only the packages dependant from the install installed06:20
Snafu777ill reverify when i get my new battery06:21
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freemangordonn900, mozilla EmbedLite, CPU locked @ 600, sunspider result - 6032 ms. I expected new JS engine to perform better, but well. Scrolling on mobile FB with SW render ~22fps, on TMO - ~23 fps07:32
freemangordonI guess we can easily go as high as 30-40 fps with GTK07:34
freemangordonromaxa: ^^^07:34
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romaxafreemangordon: is it release build?07:36
romaxahmm something is wrong07:37
Sc0rpiusmozilla EmbedLite = browser?07:37
freemangordonwith -mthumb -mfpu=neon -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mtune=cortex-a807:37
freemangordonromaxa: GL renderer is unusable, i.e. ~8 fps07:38
freemangordonSc0rpius: yes07:38
romaxafreemangordon: I was able to get on beagle board 58FPS scrolling07:38
Sc0rpiusnice, we definitely need a microb replacement07:38
freemangordonromaxa: hmm, lemme recheck, it is possible there was something running on the background07:39
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Sc0rpiusit's really sad that Opera and Fennec always crash on me, they are totally unusable07:39
freemangordonSc0rpius: move to -thumb07:39
Sc0rpiusI should07:39
freemangordonin any case this would not be available on anything else07:39
Sc0rpiusand how do I do that anyway? just installing CSSU-thumb or I would have to do something else?07:40
freemangordonjust installing07:40
Sc0rpiusI should compile Yappari on thumb07:40
Sc0rpiusI wonder if it would work07:40
Sc0rpiusit should.07:40
Sc0rpiusand can I go from normal CSSU testing to CSSU-thumb?07:41
freemangordonromaxa: nope, still the same. do you know if compositing is on or off with QML?07:41
freemangordonSc0rpius: yes07:42
Sc0rpiusbut thumb increases performance? I know it reduces executable sizes07:42
Sc0rpiusbut what about performance?07:42
infobotmethinks cssu-thumb is <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or
freemangordonSc0rpius: you won't recognize microb :)07:43
freemangordonsome openssl algos are ~ 2 times faster07:44
Sc0rpiusand that repo is alive07:45
Sc0rpiusthe maemo.merlin1991.at07:45
Sc0rpiusbut maybe it needs packages from the normal repo that I can't get since it's down....07:45
freemangordonif you have -testing, there should be no need07:46
Sc0rpiusyeah I have testing07:46
freemangordonSc0rpius: and nokia repos are up07:46
freemangordonand -thumb does not depend on repository.maemo.or07:47
Sc0rpiusok let's see...07:47
romaxafreemangordon: do you know how to take opreport on n900?07:47
freemangordonthough I have valgrind on the device07:47
freemangordonlatest upstream released07:48
freemangordon(if it is of any help)07:48
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freemangordonromaxa: i'll reboot the device and re-test, sometimes GL drivers does not clean-up nicely07:49
freemangordonromaxa: also keep in mind Qt is 4.7.4, not 4.8 :)07:51
Sc0rpiusohh... you compiled the whole Qt again in thumb?07:51
freemangordonSc0rpius: half of the fremantle is re-compiled :D07:51
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Sc0rpiusCSSU-testing (not thumb) uses 4.8? It doesn't, right?07:52
freemangordonSc0rpius: check the packages here
freemangordonSc0rpius: no, it is 4.7.407:52
Sc0rpiusok even fennec is recompiled in thumb since it wants to upgrade it07:52
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Sc0rpiusif I compile an application in thumb it would require CSSU-thumb?07:53
Sc0rpiusor not necessarily?07:53
freemangordonyes, it MUST be run on cssu-thumb, because of the ARM erratas07:54
Sc0rpiusbut if the whole GUI is rendered faster in thumb I could go for both versions in the repositories (non-thumb and thumb)07:54
freemangordonromaxa: still the same after the reboot, ~23 fps07:56
Sc0rpiusanyway I can't upgrade as I feared it said some packages are missing:  libmaemosec-certman0, libmaemosec0, maemosec-certman-common-ca and maemosec-certman-tools07:56
freemangordonenable -testing repo07:56
Sc0rpiusit's called Community SSU (devel) here, weird.07:57
Sc0rpiusok trying again07:57
freemangordonnot -devel07:57
Sc0rpiusnot the same?07:57
freemangordonSc0rpius: don;t upgrade with cssu-devel enabled07:57
freemangordonnot the same07:57
Sc0rpiusI don't think I have the -testing repo then07:57
freemangordonbut where did you install cssu-T then from?07:58
freemangordonSc0rpius: go to , in install section there is a "here" link07:59
Sc0rpiusI have Community SSU and Community SSU (devel) and I *suppose* I installed it from one of those07:59
freemangordonclick on it07:59
freemangordonand it will do everything needed07:59
Sc0rpiusthat's what I did to get the -thumb repo07:59
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freemangordonSc0rpius: I hope you use HAM, not FAM08:00
Sc0rpiususing HAM08:00
freemangordonNFC then08:00
romaxafreemangordon: I guess just for reference test it make sense to write simple Gtk UI with url bar and couple of buttons, I can help to connect rendering properly08:01
romaxafreemangordon: and test with that... so we would have rendering pipeline very close to what microb has and compare08:01
romaxafreemangordon: also would be nice to have that example for reference tests in embedding/embedlite/tests/08:02
freemangordonromaxa: AFAIK compositing should be turned off with Qt to have good fullscreen rendering performance08:02
freemangordoni.e. Maemo5NonCompositing or something08:02
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romaxafreemangordon: do you need access to repository?08:02
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freemangordonromaxa: why not08:02
romaxafreemangordon: you can push gtk example in there08:03
romaxafreemangordon: do you have github account?08:03
romaxasame as nick?08:03
freemangordon(but lemme double-check)08:03
freemangordonromaxa: yep, the same as my nick08:04
romaxabtw, branch hosted now at, so change ref when you pull next time08:04
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freemangordonthanks, will create fremantle-qml and fremantle-gtk branches08:07
freemangordon(soon :) )08:07
romaxafreemangordon: no need to have branches, unless you change core08:07
freemangordonromaxa: BTW any hint how to not rebuild the whole think for every small change I do?08:07
* Sc0rpius is still waiting for repos to update, or timeout08:07
romaxafreemangordon: just do it inside embedding/embedlite/tests/gtk08:08
freemangordonhmm, ok08:08
romaxafreemangordon: make first simple gtk2 example which does work on pure gtk no hildon08:09
romaxafreemangordon: so it will work on desktop too08:09
freemangordonromaxa: but I have some changes to allow it build with python 2.5, I want to push them. I'd prefer to push them in a branch, as I don;t know if those would not break the other builds08:09
freemangordonromaxa: have in mind I am not exactly GTK guru :) :D08:10
romaxafreemangordon: then it make sense to create some special define if needed for fremnatle specific stuff08:10
romaxafreemangordon: does it work with python?08:10
romaxa2.5? just by version requirement change?08:10
Sc0rpiuseven though Community SSU (testing) is enabled, the same packages fail (maemosec)08:10
freemangordonromaxa: no, it needs a couple of .py files changed08:10
Sc0rpiusoh it says "failed to refresh" so it seems Community SSU (testing) is unreachable08:11
Sc0rpiusno wonder why:08:11
freemangordonooh, yes08:11
Sc0rpiusok I enabled to correct repo, let's08:11
Sc0rpiuscommunity-testing is in repository.maemo.org08:11
Sc0rpiusbummer :(08:11
romaxafreemangordon: uhm hm...08:11
freemangordonthose are on maemo.org08:11
freemangordonSc0rpius: there is a mirror, lemme find it08:12
romaxafreemangordon: is it really hard to make latest python available in your fremantle sdk?08:12
freemangordonromaxa: no, but I don;t see the point wasting time now on that08:12
freemangordonromaxa: and have in mind repos are down right now :)08:13
romaxafreemangordon: ok, I guess it make sense to do it this way...08:14
freemangordonromaxa: BTW what is the problem to create a temporary branch, we can merge (or not) the changes later on08:14
freemangordonI will do gtk in master, but fremantle changes in a branch08:14
freemangordonromaxa: is libpng NEON-optimized?08:15
freemangordondo you know :) ?08:15
romaxafreemangordon: I wonder how people usually work with github... fork repo and then push changes via pul requests into upstream, or create multiple branches in same repo and merge them into main branch08:15
freemangordonromaxa: NFC, I usually use gitorious08:16
romaxafreemangordon: I see /media/libpng arm neon stuff in there08:17
freemangordonno such stuff here, maybe I should clobe it from the new repo08:17
romaxafreemangordon: in gitorius I see people do clone + pull requests.08:18
freemangordonromaxa: ok, i can do it that way either08:18
freemangordonthoush I have NFC how to to a MR on github :D. though I guess i'll find the way08:18
romaxafreemangordon: I guess it make sense to do it that way... some stuff which is your temporary hack (like python) you can keep only in your clone, and merge rest into main repo08:19
romaxafreemangordon: as soon it ready08:19
freemangordonok, i'll clone it08:19
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romaxafreemangordon: and when you got python2.7 in your sdk you can remove that change from your repo too08:20
Sc0rpiuswell.... I get a "Hash Sum mismatch" from that mirror of community-testing08:20
Sc0rpiusthe whole universe is against me08:20
freemangordonromaxa: what branch?08:20
romaxafreemangordon: embedlite08:20
freemangordonok, forked08:21
thedead1440Sc0rpius: try the mirror from: ; hash sum mismatch was fixed here08:21
Sc0rpiusinteresting, let's see08:21
freemangordonromaxa: still no neon in libpng08:22
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freemangordonromaxa: png_read_filter_row_sub3_neon should be in .S file08:24
freemangordonI fail to see it08:24
romaxafreemangordon: probably it is not enabled hmm08:25
romaxafreemangordon: that something that mozilla should do... eventually08:26
romaxafreemangordon: also I guess it makes sense to use issue tracker for embedlite things08:27
freemangordonthough it is nice to have it, it gives ~30% boost on decoding for libpng 1.2.708:27
freemangordonthough I can just use --with-system-png08:28
freemangordonand change the required version number08:29
freemangordonSc0rpius: how it is going?08:29
Sc0rpiusI'm still waiting for repo to update (the one)08:30
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Sc0rpiusHash Sum mismatch for as well.08:33
Sc0rpiusat least in the community-testing branch08:33
thedead1440Sc0rpius: ok we'll see why is it so... We thought we had fixed it...08:34
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Sc0rpiusI will install manually the packages in the meantime08:35
thedead1440ah it seems like extras was fixed but not community-testing08:37
thedead1440guess we have to roll-back to 26/12 backup instead :S08:38
freemangordonwhat about newer packages?08:39
Sc0rpiusdone with the manual installation08:40
Sc0rpiusnow let's see if it want to install CSSU-thumb now08:40
romaxafreemangordon: changing numbers not always good idea... more secure to compile locally system png with required version number08:40
thedead1440freemangordon: are there packages after 26/12? I thought no packages were updated?08:40
thedead1440due to auto-builder being down08:40
freemangordonthedead1440: this is CSSU repo ;)08:40
freemangordonno autobuilder shit involved08:41
thedead1440ah then merlin1991 has to fix it first08:41
freemangordonromaxa: usually yes, asp if you have 1GB of RAM... which we on n900 don;t have ;)08:41
Sc0rpiusok now it is installing.08:41
Sc0rpius...or at least downloading it...08:42
freemangordonSc0rpius: did you make a backup? :D:D:D08:42
Sc0rpiusrecovery is fun08:42
freemangordonwell, pray then :D08:42
thedead1440freemangordon: is not merlin's repo right? So then we just have to live with the hash sum mismatch and when comes back up the hash sums have to be matched and signed08:43
freemangordonthedead1440: yep08:43
Sc0rpiusat least I could grab the packages though :)08:43
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thedead1440yup packages can be grabbed08:44
thedead1440the hash sum mismatch is a result of being screwed not the mirrors hence you see merlin and skeiron both giving the mismatch error08:44
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romaxafreemangordon: why not to update system png to the latest one?08:47
freemangordonromaxa: fremantle is on 1.2, I won;t risk breaking ABI juist for the fun of it08:48
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freemangordonand fremantle (cssu) is on latest (almost) libpng (1.2.49)08:48
freemangordonand for some reason mozilla wants 1.508:49
Sc0rpiuswhat Maemo needs urgently is to port and update Qt to 508:50
freemangordonoh, at least libjpeg is with NEON patches08:50
freemangordonSc0rpius: ORLY? what exactly application wants that?08:51
Sc0rpiusyou don't like Qt 5?08:51
freemangordonI've never seent it so I neither like nor dislike it :D08:51
Sc0rpiusit was released less than a month ago :P08:52
freemangordonjust wondering why is the rush to change API avery 3 months08:52
Sc0rpiusQt is very buggy08:52
Sc0rpiusQt Contacts for example crash all the time08:52
freemangordonSc0rpius: try the one in CSSU first08:52
freemangordonI won;t insist it is bug-free, but it is miles ahead of stock PR 1.308:53
Sc0rpiusby the way08:53
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Sc0rpiusyou said you replaced the whole Qt, I mean, you compiled Qt in thumb08:53
freemangordonalong with libqml08:54
Sc0rpiusthat means a Qt application not compiled in thumb would still render faster?08:54
freemangordon(at least in theory)08:54
freemangordonthough I didn't benchmark08:54
Sc0rpiusif it "feels" faster is enough for me :)08:55
freemangordonSc0rpius: the same for GTK, it is thumb-compiled too08:55
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freemangordonSc0rpius: though it is not clear to me if it is because of thumb ISA or gcc 4.7.208:55
Sc0rpiusI see09:03
Sc0rpiusit's still downloading09:03
Sc0rpiusthose mirror repos are slow!!09:04
freemangordonhmm, it is big, some 50 MB iirc09:04
Ex-OpesaSc0rpius: Are they working fine for you?09:04
Sc0rpiuswho?09:04 right?09:04
Sc0rpiuswell I grabbed some packages from there09:05
Sc0rpiusbut now I'm using community-ssu-thumb which is different09:05
Ex-OpesaI get weird hash mismatch errors for some specific packages.09:05
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Sc0rpiusyeah there are some hash mismatch errors in some branches09:05
Sc0rpiusand I grabbed the packages manually 'cos of that09:05
Ex-OpesaEven in 'apt-get update', the errors existed but they are fixed now. It updates sucessfully.09:07
Ex-OpesaThanks for the info. I will contact brkn if I find him here09:07
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Sc0rpiusnow it's stuck in "Downloading 112 kB"09:08
Sc0rpiusI wonder what it is09:09
Ex-OpesaHappens. I also dled some packages manually for batterypatch ^09:09
freemangordonI guess another package from community-testing09:09
Sc0rpiusthat would be terrible09:09
freemangordonEx-Opesa: WHAAT? you've installed batterysuckpatch on your device? :(09:10
infobot[speedpatch] >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch]09:10
infoboti guess speedpatch is >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch]09:10
Ex-Opesafreemangordon: Lol! I don't know...I am using it for quite sometime. First you all disagree with fapman and now batterypatch. Geez!09:11
Sc0rpiusthis definitely won't install if the community-testing repo doesn't work.09:11
freemangordonooh, fapman is a breeze compared to ..patches tornado09:11
Ex-Opesafreemangordon: Thanks for informing me. I might uninstall it ^09:12
freemangordonEx-Opesa: FAM "might" break things09:12
freemangordonfor "patches" you have the breakage granted09:12
Sc0rpiusand it failed.09:12
freemangordonSc0rpius: check in the log09:12
Ex-OpesaAnyway. I will leave to shower and then work. Thank everyone!09:12
Sc0rpiuswhere's the log09:13
freemangordonin the menu?09:13
Sc0rpiusoh inside the app09:13
Sc0rpiusI was looking at /var/log :(09:13
Sc0rpiusfailed to fetch libidn11_0.6.5-1_armel.deb09:14
Sc0rpiusfrom extras-testing09:14
Sc0rpiusthat's crazy09:14
freemangordonhmm, wait to see what apt-cache knows about that09:14
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Sc0rpiusI wonder why it needs that09:15
freemangordonInstalled: 0.6.5-109:16
freemangordonNFC, but thanks for reporting09:16
freemangordonI guess it is libcurl that wants that09:16
freemangordonSc0rpius: install it by hand09:17
Sc0rpiusbut I also have installed it09:17
Sc0rpiusno, it says "rc"09:17
Sc0rpiusroot:/var/log# dpkg -l | grep libidn09:17
Sc0rpiusrc  libidn11                                            0.6.5-1                                    GNU libidn library, implementation of IETF I09:17
Sc0rpiusI'll install it manually09:17
Sc0rpiusok trying again09:20
Sc0rpiusit's updating09:21
Sc0rpiusit closed everything even my SSH sessions09:21
Sc0rpiusyou should put that libidn11 in the community-testing repo09:21
freemangordonfor sure. and we need to check who needs it09:22
freemangordonmerlin1991: ^^^09:22
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Sc0rpiuswell it seems it finished, and rebooted09:29
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Sc0rpiusall my icons are there09:30
Sc0rpiusbut Yappari crashes09:32
Sc0rpiustrying again09:32
freemangordontry something else09:33
Sc0rpiusthis time it worked09:33
freemangordonhmm, we should report that to the develper :P09:33
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freemangordonSc0rpius: try microb09:37
freemangordonto see the difference09:37
Sc0rpiusit scrolls faster09:37
Sc0rpiusand the "milimetered page" doesn't appear :)09:38
freemangordonyep, renders like mad :D09:38
kerioas a wise man once said, ^09:39
Sc0rpiusyou know stupid microb shows a milimitered page when it is rendering09:39
keriodammit fmg09:39
Sc0rpiusI don't see it now09:39
kerioSc0rpius: well, it still does, if you have a very complicated page09:39
Sc0rpiustoo bad Facebook still tells me that I should upgrade my browser09:39
freemangordonSc0rpius: just ignore that09:39
kerioanyway, HAM will not work properly with mirrors09:40
freemangordonSc0rpius: actually FB is usable on -thumb09:41
Sc0rpiusTwimGo seems smoother as well09:41
keriobecause of the fscking domain thing09:41
freemangordon(desktop site that is)09:41
kerioSc0rpius: half of fremantle has been recompiled with a smaller ISA and with a much better compiler09:41
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keriothe whole thing is faster09:42
Sc0rpiuswhat about something more demanding, like YouTube09:42
Sc0rpiuslet's see youtube on microb09:42
kerioflash player still sucks09:42
keriojust use cutetube09:43
freemangordonSc0rpius: you may want to shortens your transitions a bit, then you'll see how h-d performs09:43
Sc0rpiuscutetube doesn't use flash?09:43
freemangordonno, afaik09:43
kerioit uses mafw09:43
keriohell, if you want, it opens things in Media Player09:44
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freemangordonhmm, seems I was able to force mozilla to build with system png :D09:44
kerioyou can also install a microb extension to get the link to the .mp4, to watch in mediaplayer09:44
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Sc0rpiusthat's what iPhones/iPad do I guess09:46
Sc0rpiussince they don't have flash09:46
freemangordonno, apple reencodes flash09:46
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Sc0rpiushmm but now microb doesn't rotate :(09:57
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Sc0rpiuseven though the whole phone does09:57
Sc0rpiusit disabled the option inside microb!09:57
Sc0rpiusit rotates now.09:57
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keriofreemangordon: nah, youtube (re)encodes for the ithings10:30
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DocScrutinizer05chem|st: I got 2 PM on tmo(!) like "error: can't post to any topic". Isn't r/o meant to also apply for PM?10:43
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ivgalvezmaybe the sending operation is performed before writing the message in the DB10:49
ivgalvezhave you received the email or it's actually stored in you tmo account?10:49
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DocScrutinizer05and I can thank again11:10
DocScrutinizer05I may not quote/answer, but the button is there again and I get *very* weird msg about my privileges not sufficient11:11
DocScrutinizer05also I recommend to change a small but significant detail in design of new tmo server GUI, so you can instantly distinguish both, on every page11:12
DocScrutinizer05poor example: change "" headline to "new"11:13
thedead1440or maemo.orgV211:13
DocScrutinizer05or simply change the color or font11:14
DocScrutinizer05how about changing the white links "INTRO DOWNLOADS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT NEWS TALK" to orange?11:16
thedead1440or the logo has " - Independent" next to it?11:16
DocScrutinizer05it's not yet ;-)11:17
DocScrutinizer05moo thedead144011:17
thedead1440boo DocScrutinizer05 :p11:17
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: only posting is disabled afaik11:18
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: immediately after I noticed to Reggie in query that he failed to block editing for classic-light theme for me at least, he managed to remove edit and post and thanks buttons from everything11:19
ivgalvezchem|st we also need to put the donation logo11:20
ivgalvezinstead of the Council election for example11:20
ivgalvezany QML guru here?11:20
ivgalvezI'm suffering this nasty bug
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DocScrutinizer05and this new msg about my privileges when I click "answer": >> joerg_rw, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons: Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?...<<11:21
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thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: i've the same thing; its universal11:21
thedead1440but I have always been able to Thank a post11:22
DocScrutinizer05other users are severely pissed of "beeing bounced as a noob"11:22
ivgalvezusing QML Loader to load an element and then reloading with a null source does not free the memory, it even consumes more resources11:22
chem|stivgalvez: DocScrutinizer05 : sry dudes but reggie did not give away any flowers for old tmo11:23
DocScrutinizer05still no indication whatsoever about the r/o state in classic-light theme11:24
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chem|stDocScrutinizer05: I told him to keep you able to edit posts... so I am not wondering about that!11:25
lundehad council received khm resume11:25
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: I'm not11:25
DocScrutinizer05or am I?11:25
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DocScrutinizer05no, no edit button11:25
chem|stwhat happens when you hit edit on the "move" post11:26
chem|stand you say it is theme dependant?!11:26
DocScrutinizer05dunno, I'm not constantly switching themes11:26
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DocScrutinizer05I however *never* had a useful thanks button on tmo theme11:27
DocScrutinizer05so I can't say what's unusual in tmo theme right now, since I didn't use it for ~3 years now11:28
DocScrutinizer05I switched to tmo theme when I noticed I could edit and post despite Reggie said it's blocked now11:29
DocScrutinizer05but I guess same time Reggie changed stuff regarding that, so I can't even tell how tmo theme looked at that time11:29
chem|stsomeone messed up the new server or is it just me not getting an index.php when entering the ip?11:31
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DocScrutinizer05chem|st: what index.php?11:54
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: browsing to the new servers ip gives me a _blank_ white page11:54
chem|stadding /index.php gives me a kind of broken theme tmo11:54
chem|stI was wondering if my caches are messed up or if it is the server11:55
DocScrutinizer05I never did that ;-)11:55
chem|stthat was working for me after the first install and testing11:55
DocScrutinizer05http://  -> "" TMO is moving to this new server. We will be back soon when the DNS change is complete.""11:55
jon_ysounds like virtual hosting11:56
DocScrutinizer05same of course for any other sub-page11:56
DocScrutinizer05I haven't tested yet if maybe somebody already implemented my suggested dual vhost solution11:57
DocScrutinizer05we might need it since Nokia is slow with DNS changes, and they are getting even slower11:57
DocScrutinizer05not faster11:57
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: what do you want to tell? that the post numbers changed?11:58
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DocScrutinizer05eh? no11:58
chem|stwhat then? when I open your showthread link I get to some page about screenbrightness11:58
DocScrutinizer05I want to tell you about this "" TMO is moving to this new server. We will be back soon when the DNS change is complete."" message I get regardless of which page on this new IP I call up11:59
chem|stwhat happens for you with only ?11:59
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: oh that I do not get12:00
chem|stI get a blank page on bare ip12:00
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DocScrutinizer05not even that actually, it's a non-rendering page12:00
DocScrutinizer05"waiting for reply"12:00
chem|stmy admin account looks like having its balls ripped off...12:00
chem|stnon-rendering page?12:01
DocScrutinizer05you got etc7hosts hack?12:01
chem|stnot at work12:01
DocScrutinizer05http:// gives me same msg12:02
chem|stbrowser cache?12:02
chem|stoh maybe it is because of my admin cookie12:03
jon_yvhost means the httpd server actually looks at the http HOST argument12:03
jon_ynot sure if this is the case12:03
jon_ysending an IP address means no HOST12:03
jon_ydifferent HOST, on the same ip == vhost12:03
chem|stjon_y: it worked for ip so starting setup was without vhosts12:03
jon_ymaybe the css/image resource needed it?12:04
chem|stjon_y: and it would have been me or reggie setting that up...12:04
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chem|stit was working without!12:04
chem|stnow it is not12:04
jon_ycheck server logs?12:05
chem|stmaybe someone asked reggie to setup that senseless starting page telling to alter hosts file -_-12:05
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DocScrutinizer05no vhosts set up yet, same for hosts-patch and IP, I get blank page for root page, message for everything else12:06
chem|stdo you have a login button? or are you logged in?12:06
DocScrutinizer05I am logged in12:06
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DocScrutinizer05honestly this sucks12:07
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chem|stI do not have any info from reggie yet12:07
DocScrutinizer05the info from Reggie is 2i'm done"12:07
chem|stwhen was that (date UTC)12:07
DocScrutinizer05[2013-01-17 06:26:18] <reggie_> all done12:09
DocScrutinizer05[2013-01-17 06:30:12] <DocScrutinizer05> ooh12:09
DocScrutinizer05that's CET12:09
chem|stdid anyone check if it was working properly?12:09
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DocScrutinizer05it worked exactly like it does right now, he blocked the new server with msg "" TMO is moving to this new server. We will be back soon when the DNS change is complete.""12:10
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chem|stfsck $home just went down...12:10
chem|stfor what reason?12:10
DocScrutinizer05old server been supposedly put into r/o mode12:10
chem|stthat is "NOT WORKING"12:11
chem|stworking is you type the ip in your browser and get exact same page as with but without writelock and message telling you that12:12
DocScrutinizer05*sigh* I think I explained to whole chan incl you in loving verbosity why Reggie thinks it's not a good idea to have spiders index the new IP12:12
DocScrutinizer05you bitched about my stupid idea how to fix it12:12
chem|stfucking what?!12:12
chem|stcannot remember any spider indexing fuckup, and I bitched about vhosts setup for telling people how to alter their hosts file12:13
DocScrutinizer05[2013-01-17 13:08:54] <qwazix> chem|st, DocScrutinizer just threw the idea to allow access to new tmo to people with updated host files12:14
DocScrutinizer05[2013-01-17 13:09:54] <qwazix> (apache will check host name request and show new tmo, or if someone just types the ip in the browser the landing page can have instructions how to edit hosts file)12:14
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chem|styeah fucking bullshit12:14
chem|stthe IP resolves in new TMO no need to set anything up!12:14
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chem|stdoing what you tell would be the fuckup!12:15
DocScrutinizer05I *several times* elaborated on why Reggie doesn't want spiders to index that new IP, others like fmg confirmed12:15
chem|stthat way you could not resolve to new tmo with the ip ever12:15
chem|streggie could just have set a fwd12:16
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: sry you are out!12:16
DocScrutinizer05dude, you really are not very helpful lately, what's the problem?12:17
chem|styou having no clue about vhost and /etc/hosts and stuff12:17
chem|stshort explanation12:18
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chem|stbrowsing to the ip without altered hosts file on your computer was showing new tmo12:18
DocScrutinizer05until Reggie blocked it12:18
chem|stdoes it work with altered hosts file?12:19
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DocScrutinizer05and I elaborated on loving verbosity to make you weep why he did. FMG confirmed his rationale12:19
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DocScrutinizer05oh, who got no clue about vhosts now?12:19
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DocScrutinizer05it does NOT work with altered hosts file since nobody implemented proper vhost on new tmo yet12:21
DocScrutinizer05and I stated it does not work with altered hosts file just 15 min ago, for your convenience12:21
chem|stso to calm again12:21
DocScrutinizer05sorry, you refuse to get it12:21
chem|stthe server is setup without vhosts12:22
DocScrutinizer05so what?12:22
DocScrutinizer05we all can see this12:22
DocScrutinizer05and I confirmed it for your convenience12:22
DocScrutinizer0515min ago12:22
chem|styou can write in your hosts file pointing to new server with same result!12:22
DocScrutinizer05so what?12:22
DocScrutinizer05we all can see this12:22
chem|styou do not need vhosts to have tmo working12:23
DocScrutinizer05we need it to block spiders but allow people with altered hosts file to access12:23
chem|styou do not need vhosts to have your resolving tmo as new server be working12:23
chem|stwho cares about spiders?12:23
DocScrutinizer05you're out!12:24
chem|stit was a rethorical question^^12:24
DocScrutinizer05and FMG confirmed his rationale12:24
chem|stsomeone messed up the idea of a clean move12:24
DocScrutinizer05others as well12:24
DocScrutinizer05yes, nokia did, by not changing the DNS12:25
chem|styou move old - > new and let old point to new until dns change proceeded12:25
DocScrutinizer05get a coffee, dude12:25
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chem|stI have a massive head today12:25
chem|stgood idea12:25
chem|stI am pissed again... not at you...12:26
DocScrutinizer05we all are12:26
chem|stnext time I say I am up for it... please shoot me12:26
qwazixfor the record, gathered info about the vhosts thingie because everybody asks
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DocScrutinizer05qwazix: council ML and general ML back to normal \o/12:29
DocScrutinizer05I was able to sort it with ferenc and mashiara, many thanks to both12:29
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chem|stqwazix: nvm...12:30
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chem|stso nokia gave reggie tmo DNS auth with the cname but reggie does not want to move itt?12:32
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chem|stor alike12:32
chem|stI am a dns noob12:33
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: missed to thank X-Fade12:33
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chem|stalthough I managed two dns servers...12:33
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: yep, since Reggie wants to keep his part of the ITT forum, he doesn't want to redirect it to new IP12:33
qwazixDocScrutinizer05, pls reply to ML thanking xfade just to check if I can receive normally12:34
DocScrutinizer05I'm not completely happy with this rationale but it's Reggie's DNS after all, we have no arguments against it12:34
chem|sthe could at least fwd the tmo requests to new ip12:35
brknchem|st: rewrite rule?12:35
DocScrutinizer05I guess he doesn't like to do this since it's work to implement12:35
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chem|stbrkn: rewrite?12:36
DocScrutinizer05and he doesn't want new IP accessible with same content like old ITT/tmo URL, since google page rank gets infraction points for that12:36
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DocScrutinizer05that's when my plan to block spiders on IP but allow users with patched hosts file access to new vhost comes in12:37
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DocScrutinizer05in my book Reggie knows his business12:38
DocScrutinizer05so I didn't feel like arguing with him12:38
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chem|stbrkn: redirection... I get it12:39
chem|stso yes12:39
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brknmaybe i did not fully understand the situation12:39
brknjust trying to figure out some painless and quick options12:39
DocScrutinizer05for now we can't redirect since we have no way to block spiders from accessing new URL/IP we would redirect to12:40
chem|stbrkn: the redirection is painless12:40
brknqwazix: you still the rootstrap files?12:40
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: BS12:40
brknyou have Doc12:40
DocScrutinizer05please discuss that with Reggie12:40
DocScrutinizer05I tried and lost that argument12:41
chem|stif you fwd tmo only and keep itt hitting on old server they get separated12:41
chem|stI know12:41
chem|stthat way itt google will have old server and tmo google will have new...12:41
DocScrutinizer05honestly, don't bash me, I'm just the coordinator and the man with the hat on when you can't find a common sense12:41
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DocScrutinizer05I won't get involved in that any further until you tried to find a common sense among you12:42
DocScrutinizer05"you" including reggie12:42
DocScrutinizer05I'll just eventually propagate the complete story to community, telling who blocked what12:43
DocScrutinizer05I suggested solutions, i tried to convince people for the better, I'm pissed now12:43
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qwazixbrkn, yes12:52
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DocScrutinizer05qwazix: sorry, sending mail hung12:52
DocScrutinizer05my fault12:52
qwazixDocScrutinizer05, np12:52
qwazixby the way we could just enable tmo and block spiders with robots.txt until move12:53
qwazixreceived correctly12:53
DocScrutinizer05I think I suggested that to Reggie, but honestly, I'm out of the loop now12:53
DocScrutinizer05I don't feel like taking more bashing regarding that12:54
qwazixI don't blame you12:54
DocScrutinizer05not you, but other calling me names here12:55
* DocScrutinizer05 counts IRC chan tabs and ends at 4212:56
DocScrutinizer05means, there's other stuff i'm busy with, to enable maemo org future for you12:57
DocScrutinizer05and this stuff exceeded the 2h/week I initially allocated to it by factor 50 now12:57
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DocScrutinizer05so I really don't need trolling (happy new year... you know who i'm talking about) or bitching or teachering about what's vhost and what's current state of that in tmo12:58
DocScrutinizer05I might sometimes sound like a fool, but no i'm not exactly one12:59
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: take this:
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: sorry... I know being stressed is not an excuse13:01
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DocScrutinizer05BMO alive13:06
DocScrutinizer05lists, bugs... what else, except repository?13:08
DocScrutinizer05and tmo >:-(13:08
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DocScrutinizer05c'mon folks, give me input! what's missing? anything excetp repository and tmo that doesn't work as expected?13:09
thedead1440repo and tmo are the only ones DocScrutinizer0513:10
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lundeis u-boot entry ok
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Palilunde, why not?13:45
lundethanks pali13:46
PaliDocScrutinizer05, autobuilder still not working13:48
Palidput/scp for not working13:48
DocScrutinizer05Pali: thanks, i'll communicate it to Nemein13:48
PaliDocScrutinizer05, now after minute I connected to drop.maemo.org13:49
Palibut with error message: scp: /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle: No such file or directory13:49
Paliseems like incoming queue for autobuilder is not configured13:49
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DocScrutinizer05FYI: we tried to re-enable and got instant breakdown of whole rack again, causing downtime of several minutes on whole *.maemo.org13:55
DocScrutinizer05inidentified bottleneck somewhere in uplink13:56
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, another problem. I cannot login with my username & password on maemo.org14:03
PaliUsername or password was invalid.14:03
DocScrutinizer05Pali: x-fade got informed about it and should check what's wrong with autobuilder/drop14:03
PaliDocScrutinizer05, try it too14:04
DocScrutinizer05I'm logged in, via cookie14:04
DocScrutinizer05err no, i'm not14:04
Palithat never worked14:04
PaliI already reported bug14:04
jacekowskiif you want to i can host for time being if someone can arrange to get CNAMEs set up14:07
jacekowskior As14:07
jacekowskiand even AAAAs14:07
DocScrutinizer05I get "socket operation timed out" on https://maemo.org14:07
DocScrutinizer05jacekowski: thanks, but yeah IF we could access DNS we already ahd a few problems less14:08
PaliDocScrutinizer05, try again or tell your browser to use higher timeout14:08
PaliDocScrutinizer05, any ETA for static?14:09
DocScrutinizer05static should work14:11
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DocScrutinizer05my timeout is already 10s14:11
DocScrutinizer05and 90s after connection established14:12
dimirDocScrutinizer05: I wonder why do I get "W: Failed to fetch Hash Sum mismatch. E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead." when I do apt-get update.14:13
DocScrutinizer05YAY, it connected in 9th second14:13
dimirDocScrutinizer05: same thing with community-testing.14:13
DocScrutinizer05dimir: please ask brkn or thedead144014:13
thedead1440dimir: get the packages you require manually; this has to be lived with till comes back up14:13
dimirAh, OK.14:13
dimirthedead1440: ye but I can't install wget. :-D14:14
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: static seems borked for https access14:14
DocScrutinizer05or sometimes14:15
thedead1440dimir: is accessible; browse it and get what you want; you can disable the failed repos and try too...
dimirthedead1440: OK, will try thanks.14:16
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, static sill not working, no background on maemo.org14:19
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: I can't log in to your is about auto-logout which might be related to session cookies or whatever14:21
povbotBug 12623: Do not auto log out on midgard14:21
DocScrutinizer05yay, even povbot found working for it again14:21
DocScrutinizer05static seems to work sometimes14:22
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DocScrutinizer05occasionally I don't even get CSS14:22
PaliDocScrutinizer05 and this bug:
povbotBug 12284: kernel-power in package interface14:23
DocScrutinizer05fine, it's a bug, so we won't look into it right now14:23
DocScrutinizer05this is about migration right ATM, nothing else14:23
Palibut you know that kernel-power is blocker for more than year!14:25
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DocScrutinizer05you won't bother if we can't get repo to life again14:26
DocScrutinizer05honestly I couldn't care less right now about any year old blocker14:27
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brkndimir: unfortunately my hands asre tied with that hash sums error14:30
DocScrutinizer05maybe if my day had 96 hours, and Nemein was a company that could throw 50 guys on this task14:30
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dimirbrkn: no problem, I'm downloading stuff manually. thanks. :-)14:49
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brkndimir: ok14:52
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DocScrutinizer05  wtf15:14
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, what?15:17
DocScrutinizer05indeed what15:18
DocScrutinizer057me checking DNS15:18
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DocScrutinizer05host -a has no A nor CNAME15:19
dimirbrkn: do you know if there is a temp mirror for extras-devel?15:19
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freemangordonPali: what was that bug report?15:20
Palifreemangordon, kernel power v51 is not in package interface15:21
freemangordonPali: i mean, the package is in -testing, or I miss something15:21
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Palinot all packages15:21
brkni don't know whether they have hash sum problems as well15:21
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Pali51r1 is not here ^^^15:21
PaliDocScrutinizer05, have maemo servers IPV6?15:22
freemangordonPali: I see15:22
DocScrutinizer05Pali: host -a wiki.maemo.org15:23
PaliDocScrutinizer05, I see that there is no AAAA record, but I'm asking if servers has ipv6...15:24
GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, is down15:24
GeneralAntillesNo longer needed, I take it?15:24
DocScrutinizer05the similarly named file there have still all the info15:24
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DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: al the DNS changes are done, and we are back to normal, except for autobuilder, tmo and repo, which all are not fixable via etc/hosts hack15:25
DocScrutinizer05well tmo was, if Reggie and chem|st could agree on one of the possible solutions15:26
DocScrutinizer05right now both old *and* new tmo are in r/o mode15:27
DocScrutinizer05we either could forward from old to new tmo, or we could completely block old tmo and put a boilerplate there telling users to hack their etc/hosts15:28
PaliDocScrutinizer05, why reggie not updating his DNS A record to point to new TMO server?15:28
Palinokia still has CNAME to ITT15:28
DocScrutinizer05Pali: I guess because of http://internettablettalk.com15:28
merlin1991phew loads superslow15:29         300     IN      CNAME 14400 IN A
Paliwhy not add new IN A new_ip?15:29
DocScrutinizer05honestly I dunno15:30
Palithis can fix problem until nokia update TMO A record ^^^15:30
PaliDocScrutinizer05, can you ask reggie?15:30
DocScrutinizer05No F*ing Clue15:30
DocScrutinizer05I gave up on it15:31 85850   IN      NS
Palireggie has own NS15:32
DocScrutinizer05yes, i'm aware of all that15:32
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Paliso he could update it without problem15:32
DocScrutinizer05I guess Reggie is aware too, though i'm not completely sure about that15:33
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: there's a point in every discussion when you have to realize you better stop. i reached that point15:33
DocScrutinizer05It's up to Reggie and chem|st now15:34
DocScrutinizer05anything about is not my call anyway15:34
chem|stup to reggie... I have no access15:35
chem|stI am trying to find what he did to the server to be that way15:35
DocScrutinizer05I suggest you ask him15:35
chem|stmailed him already15:36
Palichem|st, it is problem to update A record of ?15:36
DocScrutinizer05* is Nokia SOA15:37
DocScrutinizer05Nokia recently set free about 1000 internet admin employees I heard15:38
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DocScrutinizer05up to anybodies guess how long they will need to change DNS15:39
lundehoo :(15:39
PaliDocScrutinizer05, and any ETA when it will be fixed?15:40
DocScrutinizer05it's been noticed to X-Fade15:41
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Paliping romaxa15:44
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chem|stPali: I have no clue, I do not have access to any of reggie's15:47
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MohammadAGI swear Android is the biggest unreliable piece of shit ever made15:51
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merlin1991MohammadAG: care to elaborate?15:52
MohammadAGmerlin1991, I have an SGS315:53
MohammadAGgot it in September, and sold the iPhone15:53
MohammadAGtoday, it felt like burning my day15:53
MohammadAGand it just hangs15:53
Lava_CroftThat's the only downside of Android devices15:53
Lava_CroftYou have to deal with Android15:53
MohammadAGI didn't change anything that would cause such a mess15:53
DocScrutinizer05I *could* fire up a last authoritative message from maemo administration coordinator to rsupplido, asking for changing >>         300     IN      CNAME<< to a proper A record pointing to new server, and take down that blocker boilerplate on new server15:54
Lava_CroftMohammadAG: that doesnt matter, shit will just break anyway15:54
MohammadAGin any case, I thought, I'll just flash stock firmware, and it'll work15:54
MohammadAGand that doesn't seem to be the case15:54
MohammadAGstock firmware won't even get past setup15:54
MohammadAGI'm thinking it's a hardware fault actually15:54
MohammadAGbut the fact there's a Dalvik VM that's as reliable as PSN on my device doesn't help in finding that out15:55
MohammadAGthough if it's hardware I don't see what my next phone would be15:57
Lava_Croftyou can flash the firmware but it wont fully boot?15:57
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Lava_Croftif i screw up flashing on the nexus7, its usually related to emptying whatever shit cache android has15:57
MohammadAGNexus devices are special Lava_Croft15:57
Lava_Croftof which there's like two or three different options in the Recovery menu15:57
* DocScrutinizer05 waves a shiny new N900 to MohammadAG15:57
MohammadAGthey don't break as much as other shit15:58
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer05, doesn't work well nowadays15:58
MohammadAGI really wish the N900 got upgraded internals15:58
MohammadAGand it's gone again15:59
MohammadAGI guess it's a hardware fault15:59
MohammadAGit even locked up on AOSP15:59
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xesMohammadAG: ....most people think that zamzung devs are fantastic... most of them have severe hw issues16:09
xesi customized ~30 pieces of S2 in 5 months... about 10 of them started to have hardware issues after 2 months16:11
MohammadAGso again, I'm not sure what to get as a next phone16:11
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xesMohammadAG: i don't know.. maybe one rugged smartphone :)16:13
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xes...or better one rugged N90016:14
Lava_Croftn900 hw is seriously starting to age16:14
Lava_Croftthe HW already was ancient when the device came out16:14
kerioancient would've been a portable zx spectrum16:15
kerioand it would've been awesome, too16:15
Lava_CroftDepending on your personal interpretation of ancient16:15
AoyagiI think that word is relative.16:16
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MohammadAGconsidering a Galaxy Note 2 but seeing my current experience with the S3...16:16
kerioMohammadAG: nexus 4?16:16
kerioit's from lg16:17
AoyagiSo the N900 HW is starting to age performance-wise or reliability-wise?16:17
kerioAoyagi: yes16:17
AoyagiI see.16:17
MohammadAGkerio, I'd love one, if it had a microSD slot16:17
MohammadAGor a 32GB model, or sth16:17
kerioMohammadAG: don't be silly, microsd slots confuse people16:17
Lava_Croftthe galaxy nexus i had came with sdcard slot, too bad the device itself was made of paper or something16:17
MohammadAG16 isn't enough16:17
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Lava_CroftUsing a 16gb N9 makes you appreciate the N900's 32gb + sdcard clot16:18
AoyagiWhy would you pay so much for mere extra 16 GB?16:18
AoyagiIt doesn't make any sense.16:18
Aoyagi(unless it has no SD slot, of course)16:18
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kerioit has no sd slot :)16:19
Lava_CroftBest device to get at this moment is no device16:19
Lava_Croftand be patient16:19
kerioInstead of implementing SD card support, Nexus devices offers a fixed amount of space that "apps just seamlessly… use", with users not having to "worry about files or volumes or any of that techy nonsense left over from the paleolithic era of computing".16:19
* Lava_Croft rolls his eyes16:19
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MohammadAGkerio, I'm all fine with that16:21
MohammadAGbut 16GBs is too fucking small16:21
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MohammadAGI use up all 11GBs on my S3, along with 42GBs on my SD card16:21
xeshtc tryed with a "butterfly"16:21
MohammadAGlooks like it stabilized16:22
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MohammadAGanyway, I see my next phone as an iPhone 4S, if a jailbreak ever comes out16:24
kerionot a 5?16:26
MohammadAGit's crap16:26
MohammadAGI'd be happy with an iOS 5 4S actually16:26
AoyagiOne question. What's the improvement of 5 over 3?16:26
MohammadAGover the 4S, taller screen, better camera sensor, better CPU, double the RAM, better GPU16:27
MohammadAGbut without a jailbreak, the CPU and RAM don't make a difference16:28
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freemangordonBTW I still don;t get it why repos are down16:29
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WizardNumberNextfreemangordon: repos down - this is quite annouing16:33
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qwazixfreemangordon, any chance you got the maemo 5 scratchbox rootstrap?16:37
qwazixit somehow slipped every available mirror...16:37
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WizardNumberNextPali: I do have my own DNS. Do you recon I could fix getting to repo for myself, while using my wifi (I have two APs on my server, which have bind9 running on it)?16:38
MohammadAGqwazix, ^?16:39
qwazixWizardNumberNext, iirc is turned off16:39
PaliWizardNumberNext, not working...16:39
Paliyou cannot fix it16:39
WizardNumberNextPali: at all?16:39
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Paliwhy do you want to fix non working server?16:40
Paliand how?16:40
WizardNumberNextI am surprised, as repo is just files16:40
Palibut if server is turned off you can write to DNS what you want... I does not fix server16:40
WizardNumberNextdo anybody know what exactly is wrong with it. I know somebody good for apache and I am generaly good at linux16:41
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Paliyou can only wait until repo server will be fixed...16:41
WizardNumberNextthis is already few days - it worries me16:42
ShadowJKit's turned off on purpose waiting for nokia to fix dns.. there was a problem with akamai hogging all bandwidth trying to mirror everything16:42
freemangordonqwazix: I have the rootstrap, but have no way of sharing it, windoze here :D16:43
freemangordonqwazix: though you should have it in your SB16:43
WizardNumberNextfreemangordon: do you have IPv6?16:43
qwazixfreemangordon, thanks, MohammadAG will upload it for me16:43
freemangordonafaik no16:43
freemangordonqwazix: lemme check the version16:43
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brknqwazix: i posted it this morning16:44
qwazixbrkn, must've missed it16:44
brknin query?16:44
WizardNumberNextfreemangordon: I would give you my IPv4, I have FTPS server there, you can put some files there (after I would find good place for it) and then i would make guest account, which would be able to see only those files16:45
freemangordonqwazix: you need maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_20.2010.36-2_armel.tgz16:45
WizardNumberNextcheck my ip on irc and you would instantly know, if have ipv616:45
brkn726ebcbce306ae4449beb73d3c024222  maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_20.2010.36-2_armel.tgz16:45
brkn5ced14b7e3b1af8914ae6c0970bd7520  maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_20.2010.36-2_i386.tgz16:45
freemangordonWizardNumberNext: I can uplad it on merlin1991's server16:45
freemangordonbrkn: perfect16:45
freemangordonqwazix: ^^^16:46
WizardNumberNextthats good enough - I do not have to tweak configuration then16:46
brkngive me 3 mins16:46
WizardNumberNextfreemangordon: do you have 4.7.2-thumb for amd64?16:46
WizardNumberNextPali: ^^16:47
freemangordonwhy do you need that?16:47
WizardNumberNextI would like to build kernel16:47
qwazixI'm lost16:47
freemangordonqwazix: hm?16:47
WizardNumberNextcannot build my own cc 4.7.216:48
qwazixbrkn: can't find the query in scrollback, must be on the other pc, could you please send again?16:48
WizardNumberNexttried few times in row16:48
brkni'll paste the 2 links, uploading to dropbox right now16:48
freemangordonWizardNumberNext: you need amd64 cross to arm, or the one that produces amd64 code?16:48
brkni took the files from the vmware image16:48
qwazixfreemangordon, is the above version posted by brkn the right one?16:49
PaliI have arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc version 4.7.2 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.7.2-1ubuntu1)16:49
qwazixbrkn I got ftp if you prefer16:49
qwazixand I can leave them there for other users16:49
brknsame here16:49
Paliit is included in ubuntu 12.1016:49
brknif you want i upload on your ftp16:49
WizardNumberNextPali: unfortunately it is not good - ubuntu have newer glibc16:49
WizardNumberNextand ubuntu is piece of crap16:49
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freemangordonWizardNumberNext: why do you need it to be amd64?!?16:49
Paliglibc is not used for kernel16:50
freemangordonwhat if it is i686?16:50
WizardNumberNextbecause I do not have i386 OS and I am not going to install one16:50
freemangordonWizardNumberNext: whaaat?16:50
WizardNumberNextwould need to build loads of libraries to be able to run gcc in i686 mode16:50
Palinot everybody has compiled kernel with legacy x86 32bit support...16:50
freemangordondon;t tell me x86 binaries don't run on amd6416:51
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Palidynamic lined of course not16:51
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WizardNumberNextPali: I do have, but it doesn't really work on debian for some reason or another16:51
freemangordoniirc there are 32 bit libraries in all major distributions16:51
PaliWizardNumberNext, you do not need glibc for compiling kernel16:51
freemangordonthat one too16:51
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WizardNumberNextfreemangordon: they should, but only, if code is pure i386+16:52
freemangordonPali: is it possible to build the kernel outside of madde/SB?16:52
WizardNumberNextPali: glibc - yes I know I do nopt need it, but gcc is running on top of glibc, which is older in debian then in ubuntu, so it won't run16:53
Palicross compile16:53
freemangordonPali: I mean .debs16:53
freemangordonI know you can do make zimage16:53
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Paliif you have needed tools on debian/ubuntu -> then yes16:53
Paliforeign arch packages16:53
WizardNumberNextfreemangordon: I do have glibc for both i786 (barcelona) and amd64 (barcelona)16:54
Palibut I did not played with that..16:54
Paliit can damage system16:54
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freemangordonWizardNumberNext: "Configured with: ../../sources/gcc-linaro-4.7-2012.07/configure --host=i686-pc-linux-gnu --build=i686-pc-linux-gnu "16:54
Paliubuntu has support for multiarch which allows you to install also armel packages to system16:54
WizardNumberNextactually even k7 was i78616:55
freemangordonso I guess it will run16:55
Paliand then use dpkg-buildpackage -barmel to compile deb package for armel16:55
Pali*-b -aarmel16:55
freemangordonPali: gcc in ubuntu is not the same linaro gcc ;)16:55
Paliubuntu has some linaro16:56
Pali(Ubuntu/Linaro 4.7.2-1ubuntu1)16:56
WizardNumberNextPali: this would need clean debian gcc libraries in system - I do not have them anymore16:56
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PaliWizardNumberNext, then compile gcc16:56
Paliyou can do it without 32bit libs16:56
freemangordonthough compiling gcc to work in SB is not a fun :D16:57
WizardNumberNextmine are from 4.7.2 - configured, compiled and installed by me16:57
freemangordoncrosstool-ng does not work16:57
WizardNumberNextI tried to build cross-compiler but failed16:57
WizardNumberNextit is always same - it cannopt find thread.h16:58
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freemangordonWizardNumberNext: use crostool-ng to download all the needed source for you16:58
WizardNumberNextwould need to have glibc first16:58
freemangordonthen build gcc/binutils by hand, statically linked16:58
WizardNumberNextI do have sources16:58
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WizardNumberNextvanilla gcc, and all other is from debian16:59
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freemangordonWizardNumberNext: building statically linked gcc/binutils is tricky, but it can be done16:59
WizardNumberNextbinutils in place already16:59
WizardNumberNextwhy statically?16:59
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freemangordonWizardNumberNext: well, you may want to use that in SB someday17:01
WizardNumberNextI aim to have all cc-armel binaries in /usr/local/armel so it should work without static libraries17:01
freemangordonand you won't be able to run it is SB chroot17:01
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WizardNumberNextI see17:01
WizardNumberNextshould binutils be build static as well, then?17:02
WizardNumberNextlooks like17:02
* WizardNumberNext need to attend some very important matters in tron room17:04
DocScrutinizer05tmo alive17:06
DocScrutinizer05wait for DNS to propagate to your NS17:06
DocScrutinizer05halebop:/etc # host -a ns1.reggiesuplido.com17:07 14400 IN A
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DocScrutinizer05remove the part, to see if it propagated to your NS already17:08
freemangordonWizardNumberNext: it is almost ok :D, ld was giving me some troubles, but I didn;t fixed it as the particular bug I was interested in was not solved in 2012.09 relese17:10
WizardNumberNextfreemangordon: that might actually make me going17:11
WizardNumberNextbut I am not going to try it now, as I have to go out soon17:12
qwazixmaemo rootstraps for everyone ->, waiting for dns (temporary download page
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WizardNumberNextPali: is there any way to adjust turning off point of N900, while not using BME for battery management? I am using bq27x00 for management. It is turning off at rawly 3.15v-3.25v.17:25
kerioit's turning off at EDVF17:25
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Paliuse rx51 bme replacement17:26
WizardNumberNextcan I get right now?17:26
Paliit has hald-addon-bme which tell dsme when battery is empty17:26
WizardNumberNextkerio: why it varies?17:26
Pali!!!it is very experimental!!!17:26
Palican cause reboot loop or bricking device17:27
WizardNumberNextwhat can go wrong. then?17:27
kerionothing, it will shut down at EDVF17:27
WizardNumberNextI am not going to use it at the moment, thne.17:27
keriobut the voltage varies according to the load, too17:27
Palifull reflash17:27
infobotWizardNumberNext meant: I am not going to use it at the moment, then.17:27
Paliif you want to break your device go ahead and download deb packages:
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kerio(disclaimer: it might not break your device)17:28
Paliyou need kernel-power v5217:28
WizardNumberNextPali: I would have to prepare image for reflash, as I do not want to flash with stock - I would like to flash with my actuall contents17:28
kerioif you want to actually break your device, install n900fly17:28
kerioWizardNumberNext: there's no way to make a proper image, as of now17:28
keriobecause such a thing would involve making the emmc image too17:29
WizardNumberNextPali: I do not have v52 - I think I have v51 and I am not going to check now, as battery is almost empty17:29
Palikerio, it could be possible17:29
Paliuse 0xFFFF dump support17:29
kerioyou can, however, get the tarballs via backupmenu or rescueos17:29
PaliWizardNumberNext, ok kp52 is really needed17:29
kerioPali: if it's needed, why isn't it in the dependencies? :)17:30
Paliit is17:30
Palivia kernel-feature17:30
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keriobut kp51 has that feature too, doesn't it17:30
Paliit does not have rx51_battery17:31
WizardNumberNextkerio: mkfifo somepipe; scp somepipe user@host:mmc_dump; dd if=/dev/mmc0 of=somepipe17:31
WizardNumberNextshould work17:31
Palithis is reason why you need kp5217:31
kerioWizardNumberNext: MTDs don't work that way17:31
Paliand 51 is not enought17:31
DocScrutinizer05many thanks to Reggie and chem|st for smooth migration of tmo17:31
WizardNumberNextkerio: I have images of flash made that way17:32
keriowell, i hope your flash will never degrade17:32
WizardNumberNextnot exactly that way, but with dd17:32
kerioor they'll become as useful as a piece of lint in your navel17:32
kerio(note: your flash *will* degrade)17:32
WizardNumberNextkerio: I know it does degrade17:32
PaliWizardNumberNext, do not remember that you cannot flash mtd5 from active maemo17:32
WizardNumberNextPali: is it rootfs (I cannot remember now), if it is obviously you cannot do that17:33
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WizardNumberNextdamn big mess if you do17:33
Palimtd5 is rootfs17:34
Paliyou cannot use dd for nand17:34
WizardNumberNextI did it with HDD and efect was very disturbing17:34
Paliyou need to use nanddump and nandwrite17:34
Palibut first you must umount and detach ubi from that nand17:34
kerionot even nandwrite, actually17:34
WizardNumberNextPali: you can, if you know eraseblock size17:35
kerioit won't magically make the bad blocks disappear17:35
Paliproblem is that ubi must be detached before doing something17:35
DocScrutinizer05indeed it's unclear if nandwrite would result in a working UBIimage with one additional bad block17:35
WizardNumberNextbut nanddump/write would be useful if I would still have my old routers, but I throw them out17:36
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WizardNumberNextPali: which is almost impossible to achieve on working OS17:37
Paliyou can boot kernel with initfs from RAM17:37
Paliand then flash it via usb network17:38
WizardNumberNextbut you always can: echo s >/proc/sysrq-trigger; echo u >/proc/sysrq-trigger; echo s >/proc/sysrq-trigger17:38
Paliwhat is s and u?17:38
Palisync & umount?17:38
WizardNumberNextI do this on server and desktop for ultra-fast reboot17:38
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WizardNumberNexts - sync; u - unmount ALL FS17:39
WizardNumberNextactuall: u - remount in r/o17:39
Paliand what happen if disk is busy?17:39
WizardNumberNextwhich garantee you that FS would be SYNCed17:40
Palie.g. somebody has open file descriptor for writing?17:40
WizardNumberNextdoesn't matter - it is from kernel17:40
WizardNumberNextit overrides everything17:40
Palinormally you cannot do mount -o remount,ro /17:40
WizardNumberNextbut this is from userspace, sysrq works from kernel-space17:41
WizardNumberNextand it does what you ask for17:41
Palihm, it is possible to do that r/o remount only for specified disk?17:41
WizardNumberNextit does it for all FS17:41
Paliso there is no way to do it from userspace too?17:41
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keriothat's why you usually do EI first17:41
kerio(termall, killall)17:42
WizardNumberNextand only reason why it would not be able to to remount is when it cannot access device for some reason17:42
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WizardNumberNextwith sysrq you do not have to bother with termall killall17:43
WizardNumberNextbtq you can see in dmesg if it did it sync and remount and see all FS which where remounted\17:43
WizardNumberNextby device node17:44
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WizardNumberNextok, I have to go now, see ya later17:45
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Sc0rpiustmo is r/w again?17:54
PaliSc0rpius, why do you think?17:56
Sc0rpiusand Nokia never updated their DNS17:56
Sc0rpiusis that what happened?17:56
Palidig >>>         300     IN      CNAME
Palinothing changed17:57
Sc0rpiusexactly, but I can post replies17:57
Sc0rpiusso that looks like a rollback17:57
Sc0rpiusit was read only yesterday17:57
Sc0rpiusrepos are still down17:58
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freemangordonWell, tmo is in r/w mode, though I have NFC where it is served17:59
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freemangordonSc0rpius: it is, so it is nemein18:00
chem|stSc0rpius: repos are down18:01
Sc0rpiusyeah they are still down18:01
chem|stnew tmo server is live and DNS change in progress18:01
freemangordonchem|st: we wait for akamai to fix something?18:01
chem|stfreemangordon: ask DocScrutinizer05 about that no idea what went wrong18:02
freemangordonwell aiui akamai did a DOS attack on the repos :D18:02
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: what is expected to happen to bring the repos back up?18:03
dimirSorry, I can't find it, which repository has libneon27?18:04
dimirTalking about maemo5, n900 pr1.318:04
kerioit's in extras-devel18:05
keriowhy do you need it?18:05
dimirI need syncevolution.18:06
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: thanks18:06
dimirIt requires libneon27 but I only have found libneon29.18:07
dimirwow, I'm part of the history now. :-D18:07
dimirwow, found it!
brknoh too late18:09
dimirAh, skeiron has it too, great, thanks!18:09
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PaliWhy is/was TTE 86400 of TMO?18:11
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DocScrutinizer05bash dnsmaster@nokia.com18:13
dimirAh man, I thought syncevolution has gui.18:13
DocScrutinizer05or Reggie ;-P - depending on which DNS record you're talking about18:14
dimirMaybe it's syncevolution-frontend.18:14
merlin1991dimir I have it aswell ;)
* DocScrutinizer05 waves18:14
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DocScrutinizer05afk for some RL til meeting startes now+2h18:15
dimirmerlin1991: ah, thanks a lot!18:15
dimirmerlin1991: without the index file mismatch error? :-)18:16
merlin1991I have to check that18:16
merlin1991(I never used that mirror xD)18:16
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dimirIt should give that error on 'apt-get update'18:17
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merlin1991yeah, though I have no proper downstream here, so can't test anything :/18:18
PaliDocScrutinizer05, on ns1.reggiesuplido.com18:23
Paliso we need wait 1 day until dns cache expire...18:23
brkn@pali that's max18:24
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Paliwithout line in /etc/hosts TMO we need to wait18:24
Palibrkn, so this is problem18:24
Paliwhy it was not decreased?18:24
brkndon't ask me18:24
Palidig A >>> 14400 IN A
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Palidig @ A >>> 8292 IN  A
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merlin1991Pali: google sucks ;)18:26
Palidig A >>> 3752 IN  A
Palimerlin1991, no google doing what is correct18:26
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merlin1991Pali: I know, but they still suck ;)18:27
Palicaching dns records until expire18:27
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DocScrutinizer05we'll not die from that18:29
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DocScrutinizer05a few users have to wait a tad longer until they will see new posts or can post by themselves18:30
DocScrutinizer05If I hadn't suffered a rage this afternoon, you probably wouldn't see new tmo on monday18:31
keriojesus reisenweber, who raged for our forum18:32
kerioty doc <318:33
merlin1991hm I checked my cssu-testing and extras-devel mirror, no md5sum mismatch madness18:34
brkn17:15 <DocScrutinizer05> afk for some RL til meeting startes now+2h > go away doc18:34
keriomerlin1991: maybe it's a HAM thing?18:34
brknmerlin1991: my december 26 mirror on another vps has no problems18:35
brknseems this somehow happened early january18:35
Pali not working anymore18:35
merlin1991well my cronjob runs every night18:35
merlin1991and the system seems to work18:35
* DocScrutinizer05 thinks his idea of RL is pretty rotten18:35
kerioDocScrutinizer05: it's cold outside!18:35
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merlin1991kerio: that's good for skiing!18:36
keriomerlin1991: but skiing sucks!18:36
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merlin1991how come?18:37
brknmerlin1991: need to compare our mirror.lists18:37
DocScrutinizer05Pali: that sounds natsy18:37
DocScrutinizer05nasty even18:37
DocScrutinizer05Pali: did you mention this location for update by our global update project?18:38
PaliI forgot18:38
kerioDocScrutinizer05: points to akamai18:38
merlin1991brkn: no exactly secret knowledge here:
keriomerlin1991: that's your apt-mirror stuff, right18:39
DocScrutinizer05kerio: mhm18:39
DocScrutinizer05so probably Nokia taking down akamai servers right now18:39
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DocScrutinizer05now we're facing the dirty episode of Nokia going out of maemo business18:40
merlin1991brkn: that link for extras is baaad18:41
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brknwell i'll fix it18:42
merlin1991on extras fremantle was pr 1.1 fremantle-1.2 was pr1.2 and fremantle-1.3 was a symlink to fremantle-1.218:42
DocScrutinizer05anyway I seem to notice our community being lively the last 7 days like no time during last year,18:44
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brknmerlin1991: let's see whether it works now18:46
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merlin1991well you won't be able to run apt-mirror atm :D18:47
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merlin1991since the repo is down xD18:47
DocScrutinizer05  :-/ I can't believe there been not a single donation since 25.12.18:47
brknthat correct now?18:47
brknbtw why you don't have deb-i386?18:47
brkni took the lines from wiki18:47
merlin1991because I only need armel for device + quick test in sb18:47
merlin1991if I really need the i386 I can build it from the source18:48
merlin1991i386 packages are only of use inside scratchbox when you want to run the emulated n900 on qemu18:48
DocScrutinizer05if there's any source, yeah18:48
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: that's why I have the deb-src lines aswell ;)18:49
merlin1991I don't see the case where I would want to run a i386 from non-free inside sb18:49
brknPali: > too bad i don't have that in our backup18:50
brknoh and merlin1991 in all repos available fremantle stable with rootstrap and sdk installer missing18:50
merlin1991sdk installer sucks anyways18:51
merlin1991rootstrap I could upload18:51
brknmerlin i have the rootstrap, i was just wondering why it isn't in any repo18:52
brknaka why is the stable branch missing18:52
merlin1991what do you mean by stable branch?18:52
merlin1991btw DocScrutinizer05 I'm not going to donate as long as there is paypal only18:52
merlin1991no point in transfering money just so that a fee goes to paypal18:53
DocScrutinizer05you'd be amazed and shocked about the fee for money transfer to bank accounts18:53
brknthat stable thing18:54
DocScrutinizer05keep in mind that HiFo is located in USA, CA iirc18:54
kerioDocScrutinizer05: bitcoins!18:54
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: well I don't know about the fees on HiFO side, but I'm paying about no fees on my side thanks to being a student :)18:54
DocScrutinizer05hah, try to do a money transfer outside EU18:55
merlin1991brkn: that is just a silly python installer, the scratchbox pacakges + the wiki page are equivalent (and better)18:55
brkni see18:55
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brkndon't know nothing about that. i keep repeating myself but i have 0 n90018:56
DocScrutinizer05to GB it's about 10GBP iirc18:56
kerioyou should buy a couple18:56
brkn*waves to doc18:56
DocScrutinizer05plus a few percent of amount on top18:56
brknanyway thx merlin for explaining18:57
ShadowJKbrkn; you have N8x0?19:02
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brkn+ 81019:04
brkn+ 810 wimax19:04
brknthe complete list19:05
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: bitcoins transactions are much, much cheaper19:07
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DocScrutinizer05suggest that to ivgalvez in 60min on council meeting, since he's hiFo as well19:08
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keriohm, it was a bit of a joke actually, but it could really work19:09
keriomtgox fees for btc->usd aren't big19:09
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keriowell, it's not really a fee19:10
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merlin1991hm I don't have any bitcoins ;)19:13
kerioyou can buy some! :D19:13
merlin1991yeah sure, I'll pay some € to a US company to get bitcoins (€ to $ fees, europe to usa fees), then transfer those coinds to HiFO and they get US$ (again fees)19:14
merlin1991hey that sounds way better than paypal19:15
kerioyou can pay € to a EU company to get bitcoins19:15
keriothat's the whole point19:15
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merlin1991hm are there any?19:15
ShadowJKin europe, iban transfer is like free :)19:15
merlin1991last time I checked bitcoun to hard currency was only possibly via some USA based companies19:16
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keriomerlin1991: bitcoin-central is in france19:18
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keriothey do take a 0.49% fee19:20
kerioneat, their website is opensource, on github19:21
merlin1991is it rails based? :D19:21
kerioit is19:22
merlin1991hm time to check if they checked in that key file nobody knows not to check in into source repositories19:22
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keriodid they?19:28
kerioanyway, apparently bitcoin-central is actually a serious thing19:28
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* ShadowJK has two new microsdhc cards to benchmark \o/19:33
keriowhich ones?19:33
ShadowJKTwo samsungs19:33
kerioShadowJK: i was thinking of leaving *one* 1gb swap partition on my 32gb sandisk19:34
kerioand zeroing the rest19:34
keriowould it make the swap faster? what do you think?19:34
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ShadowJKprobably not19:35
ShadowJKfremantle swap isn't too slow on any card dedicated to swap ... atleast not until it starts fragmenting19:35
DocScrutinizer05the only fast swap is no swap19:36
kerioit was more for the "card has 32gb of erased blocks to use" factor19:36
DocScrutinizer05get decent apps that don't behave like ramtest19:36
ShadowJKI say "fast" comparing it to diablo-era 20 kbyte/s19:36
kerioDocScrutinizer05: use your EE magic to make a ram-based ephemeral uSD19:37
DocScrutinizer05alas particularly Qt is abysmal regarding ram-hogging19:37
ShadowJKephemeral.. :)19:38
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DocScrutinizer05qt-textedit widget in qt3 ate like 50byte per char to display, where 'display' means complete textbuffer19:39
DocScrutinizer05and again that amount on invocation of destructor19:39
DocScrutinizer05opening a 1MB text file in Qt3-textedit reliably put my lean laptop into swap agony19:40
ShadowJKkerio; if using up space isn't an issue I'd make it 2gig19:41
kerioiirc i had problems with 2gb19:41
kerioor maybe it was 419:41
kerioimage-viewer lamented a lack of free memory19:41
DocScrutinizer05larger swap partitions eat more RAM for allocation tables19:41
keriobecause 32bit19:41
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DocScrutinizer05so overly large swap is contra-productive19:42
kerioShadowJK: i'm rebooting like crazy, anyway19:42
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ShadowJKcool, neither of these have UHS logo19:43
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ShadowJKI wish amazon hadn't patented easy to open packaging19:46
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vetsin_so what's happening at TMO? are we there yet? :)19:54
vetsin_just a few seconds ago posting was already possible.19:55
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PaliMCE source code for 770 was released19:58
Palialso source code of osso-file-manager19:58
keriowhich osso-file-manager?19:59
Palialso osso-applet-memory19:59
PaliDocScrutinizer05, kerio, others: please look at tablets-dev, maybe there are more sources...20:02
brknPali: see
brknaka there are only os2008 hacker sources20:05
Paliit is in hacker2008-sources.tar.gz20:05
brknnever extracted20:05
Palibrkn, how you generated that list?20:05
Palifrom nokia server?20:05
Palior only know links?20:05
brknthis is part of my mirror20:07
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brkni checked all ressources on nokia servers, auth' via cookie, then wget everything20:07
DocScrutinizer05meet  ING20:08
kerioyay meeting20:12
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romaxafreemangordon: ping20:21
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Sc0rpiuslooks like everybody's busy in the meeting20:45
Sc0rpiusbut I'm not receiving mails about the TMO thread updates and I'm totally sad about it :'(20:45
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Paliping romaxa21:41
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Woody14619Will return Monday, noonish EST.22:13
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DocScrutinizer05Sc0rpius: no mail from tmo? please ping chem|st22:21
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: ^^^22:21
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: <Sc0rpius> but I'm not receiving mails about the TMO thread updates and I'm totally sad about it :'(22:22
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: might be an issue with rDNS or sth22:22
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: please check and ping me if we need help of Eero to set up rDNS or anything22:23
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DocScrutinizer05 today's council meeting22:47
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