IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2013-01-18

kerio	yep	00:00
Ultima_Fan	alright. Nothing to do but wait, then. I appreciate it, I spent the last hour trying to figure this out : P	00:00
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* ShadowJK doesn't understand waiting for dns updates, thought it was done already :)		00:01
ShadowJK	and now it was just shut down waiting for akamai to stop	00:01
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DocScrutinizer05	ShadowJK: hm?	00:20
qwazix	wtf is akamai?	00:20
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DocScrutinizer05	the darknet google cloud	00:21
Ultima_Fan	akamai, the keeper of the prophecy!	00:21
qwazix	huh?	00:21
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DocScrutinizer05	mass hoster, server farms	00:22
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DocScrutinizer05	geo-load-balancing	00:22
qwazix	and what does that have to do with maemo?	00:23
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DocScrutinizer05	the guys that made shiiping of updates delay 4 weeks in england	00:23
DocScrutinizer05	qwazix: repository.maemo.org pointed to akamai server farms	00:23
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qwazix	:nod:	00:24
DocScrutinizer05	those server farms synced to stage.maemo.org	00:25
DocScrutinizer05	and that killed us 2 days ago	00:25
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Ultima_Fan	so essentially we're waiting for nokia to change something over?	00:26
DocScrutinizer05	since akamai has/had plenty of those servers trying to sync the repos from stage.m.o	00:26
DocScrutinizer05	and they have real PHAT backbone to get stage.maemo.org poor little xen-grid rack down to his knees	00:27
DocScrutinizer05	so we stopped stage.maemo.org vserver, asked Nokia to immediately remove the DNS, and Eero decided to rename stage.maemo.org 'master' repository to repository.maemo.org	00:29
DocScrutinizer05	now we're waiting for Nokia to point that repository.maemo.org DNS to stage.m.o vserver	00:29
DocScrutinizer05	though that vserver isn't active yet, not even via IP	00:30
DocScrutinizer05	afaik	00:30
DocScrutinizer05	ShadowJK: ^^^ also to you	00:30
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Ultima_Fan	So Nokia has basically ended support for the n900?	00:34
DocScrutinizer05	repository.maemo.org. 300 IN CNAME repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net.	00:34
DocScrutinizer05	repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net. 21600 IN CNAME a515.g.akamai.net.	00:34
kerio	Ultima_Fan: transferred to hildon foundation	00:34
kerio	but the hardware support is still theirs	00:34
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kerio	if you're under warranty	00:34
Ultima_Fan	That's a good thing	00:34
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DocScrutinizer05	a515.g.akamai.net in turn will resolve to different IP depending on your geolocation	00:35
DocScrutinizer05	actually I guess a515.g.akamai.net is ~300 servers worldwide	00:35
DocScrutinizer05	ballpark figure	00:36
DocScrutinizer05	I guess for supl.nokia.com you'll find a pretty similar structure	00:38
DocScrutinizer05	that's why sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, depending on the IP you got for supl.nokia.com from your nameserver	00:39
DocScrutinizer05	some of those boxen seem to bitrot since years now	00:39
Pali	how supl working?	00:41
DocScrutinizer05	err, cloudy ideas here	00:41
DocScrutinizer05	sends your aproximate location and time, and you get back a list of parameters to get those sats in your GPS rx	00:42
Pali	so supl has full database?	00:42
DocScrutinizer05	yep	00:42
DocScrutinizer05	even updated by real GPS stations all over the world, to compensate for atmospheric errors	00:43
DocScrutinizer05	but ask SpeedEvil, he's our GPS pope	00:44
SpeedEvil	no real idea how supl works	00:44
SpeedEvil	in practice	00:44
DocScrutinizer05	oh? :-D	00:44
SpeedEvil	I know how agps in various forms work.	00:45
SpeedEvil	just don't know how supl is setup	00:45
DocScrutinizer05	well, that is supl, no?	00:45
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SpeedEvil	well, yes.	00:46
SpeedEvil	but there are lots of options.	00:46
SpeedEvil	from just dumping an accurate almanac and ephemeris, on.	00:47
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DocScrutinizer05	yeah, sure. I gave the simplified picture	00:47
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DocScrutinizer05	for data compression, they send only the part of alm/eph that applies to your coarse location, and only for a few hours into the future	00:51
DocScrutinizer05	that's why AGPS with supl needs an idea of the country you're in, and a correct system time	00:52
ShadowJK	All the material by manufacturers seems to essentially claim that everyone is proprietary and different	00:52
SpeedEvil	whole almanac is only 3.5k ish	00:52
DocScrutinizer05	(well, the system time is even more important for the gps chip then picking the correct coefficients from alm7eph)	00:53
SpeedEvil	probably 2k without the GPS framing	00:53
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DocScrutinizer05	the local correction factors for atmospheric errors though...	00:55
DocScrutinizer05	atmos & other	00:55
SpeedEvil	true	00:55
DocScrutinizer05	you can't get accuracy of sub-10m-range without those afaik	00:56
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qwazix	I can't seem to find the Maemo5 sdk rootstrap...	01:02
qwazix	Do I qualify for a beer?	01:02
brkn	ack @ qwazix	01:02
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qwazix	brkn is this ours? http://oss.fruct.org/repository/stable/fremantle/armel/	01:06
brkn	sec checking on server	01:07
brkn	not my mirror	01:07
qwazix	nah, it's old...	01:07
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lunde	Kerio:what does the file do /etc/ffserver.conf	05:22
Skry	it's a configuration file for ffserver	05:26
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Snafu777	So, I lost myself today	06:15
robbiethe1st	But now you're found?	06:16
Snafu777	Nah, sadly not	06:16
Snafu777	Hey robbie!, i got the error for ya	06:16
Snafu777	one sec	06:16
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Snafu777	When trying to load internal memory or the backup menu itself based on the newest version in the debs.. I cannot tell u cuz my battery is nuked, and currently awaiting a new one	06:17
Snafu777	Heres the error	06:17
Snafu777	Starting /usr/share/backupmenu/BackupMenuLauncher.item from nand (mtdblock4 jffs2)...	06:18
Snafu777	It just stays like that	06:18
Snafu777	white screen	06:18
Snafu777	with black text	06:18
robbiethe1st	Is this fresh, install, what?	06:20
Snafu777	yep	06:20
Snafu777	pr 1.3	06:20
robbiethe1st	And you didn't install /anything/ else?	06:20
Snafu777	with only the packages dependant from the install installed	06:20
Snafu777	ill reverify when i get my new battery	06:21
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freemangordon	n900, mozilla EmbedLite, CPU locked @ 600, sunspider result - 6032 ms. I expected new JS engine to perform better, but well. Scrolling on mobile FB with SW render ~22fps, on TMO - ~23 fps	07:32
freemangordon	I guess we can easily go as high as 30-40 fps with GTK	07:34
freemangordon	romaxa: ^^^	07:34
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romaxa	freemangordon: is it release build?	07:36
freemangordon	yes	07:36
romaxa	hmm something is wrong	07:37
Sc0rpius	mozilla EmbedLite = browser?	07:37
freemangordon	with -mthumb -mfpu=neon -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mtune=cortex-a8	07:37
freemangordon	romaxa: GL renderer is unusable, i.e. ~8 fps	07:38
freemangordon	Sc0rpius: yes	07:38
romaxa	freemangordon: I was able to get on beagle board 58FPS scrolling	07:38
romaxa	easily	07:38
Sc0rpius	nice, we definitely need a microb replacement	07:38
freemangordon	romaxa: hmm, lemme recheck, it is possible there was something running on the background	07:39
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Sc0rpius	it's really sad that Opera and Fennec always crash on me, they are totally unusable	07:39
freemangordon	Sc0rpius: move to -thumb	07:39
Sc0rpius	I should	07:39
freemangordon	in any case this would not be available on anything else	07:39
Sc0rpius	and how do I do that anyway? just installing CSSU-thumb or I would have to do something else?	07:40
freemangordon	just installing	07:40
Sc0rpius	I should compile Yappari on thumb	07:40
Sc0rpius	I wonder if it would work	07:40
Sc0rpius	it should.	07:40
Sc0rpius	and can I go from normal CSSU testing to CSSU-thumb?	07:41
freemangordon	romaxa: nope, still the same. do you know if compositing is on or off with QML?	07:41
freemangordon	Sc0rpius: yes	07:42
Sc0rpius	but thumb increases performance? I know it reduces executable sizes	07:42
Sc0rpius	but what about performance?	07:42
freemangordon	~cssu-thumb	07:43
infobot	methinks cssu-thumb is <DocScrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597	07:43
freemangordon	Sc0rpius: you won't recognize microb :)	07:43
freemangordon	some openssl algos are ~ 2 times faster	07:44
freemangordon	etc.	07:44
Sc0rpius	and that repo is alive	07:45
Sc0rpius	the maemo.merlin1991.at	07:45
freemangordon	yes	07:45
Sc0rpius	but maybe it needs packages from the normal repo that I can't get since it's down....	07:45
freemangordon	if you have -testing, there should be no need	07:46
Sc0rpius	yeah I have testing	07:46
freemangordon	Sc0rpius: and nokia repos are up	07:46
freemangordon	and -thumb does not depend on repository.maemo.or	07:47
freemangordon	g	07:47
Sc0rpius	ok let's see...	07:47
romaxa	freemangordon: do you know how to take opreport on n900?	07:47
freemangordon	no	07:47
freemangordon	though I have valgrind on the device	07:47
freemangordon	latest upstream released	07:48
freemangordon	(if it is of any help)	07:48
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freemangordon	romaxa: i'll reboot the device and re-test, sometimes GL drivers does not clean-up nicely	07:49
freemangordon	romaxa: also keep in mind Qt is 4.7.4, not 4.8 :)	07:51
Sc0rpius	ohh... you compiled the whole Qt again in thumb?	07:51
freemangordon	Sc0rpius: half of the fremantle is re-compiled :D	07:51
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Sc0rpius	CSSU-testing (not thumb) uses 4.8? It doesn't, right?	07:52
freemangordon	Sc0rpius: check the packages here http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-thumb/pool/free/	07:52
freemangordon	Sc0rpius: no, it is 4.7.4	07:52
Sc0rpius	ok even fennec is recompiled in thumb since it wants to upgrade it	07:52
freemangordon	yes	07:53
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Sc0rpius	if I compile an application in thumb it would require CSSU-thumb?	07:53
Sc0rpius	or not necessarily?	07:53
freemangordon	yes, it MUST be run on cssu-thumb, because of the ARM erratas	07:54
Sc0rpius	hmmm...	07:54
Sc0rpius	but if the whole GUI is rendered faster in thumb I could go for both versions in the repositories (non-thumb and thumb)	07:54
freemangordon	yes	07:55
freemangordon	romaxa: still the same after the reboot, ~23 fps	07:56
Sc0rpius	anyway I can't upgrade as I feared it said some packages are missing: libmaemosec-certman0, libmaemosec0, maemosec-certman-common-ca and maemosec-certman-tools	07:56
freemangordon	enable -testing repo	07:56
Sc0rpius	ok	07:56
Sc0rpius	it's called Community SSU (devel) here, weird.	07:57
Sc0rpius	ok trying again	07:57
freemangordon	noooo	07:57
freemangordon	not -devel	07:57
Sc0rpius	not the same?	07:57
freemangordon	Sc0rpius: don;t upgrade with cssu-devel enabled	07:57
freemangordon	not the same	07:57
Sc0rpius	ok	07:57
Sc0rpius	I don't think I have the -testing repo then	07:57
freemangordon	but where did you install cssu-T then from?	07:58
lunde	=)	07:58
freemangordon	Sc0rpius: go to http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597 , in install section there is a "here" link	07:59
Sc0rpius	I have Community SSU and Community SSU (devel) and I suppose I installed it from one of those	07:59
freemangordon	click on it	07:59
freemangordon	and it will do everything needed	07:59
Sc0rpius	that's what I did to get the -thumb repo	07:59
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freemangordon	Sc0rpius: I hope you use HAM, not FAM	08:00
Sc0rpius	using HAM	08:00
freemangordon	NFC then	08:00
romaxa	freemangordon: I guess just for reference test it make sense to write simple Gtk UI with url bar and couple of buttons, I can help to connect rendering properly	08:01
romaxa	freemangordon: and test with that... so we would have rendering pipeline very close to what microb has and compare	08:01
romaxa	freemangordon: also would be nice to have that example for reference tests in embedding/embedlite/tests/	08:02
freemangordon	romaxa: AFAIK compositing should be turned off with Qt to have good fullscreen rendering performance	08:02
freemangordon	i.e. Maemo5NonCompositing or something	08:02
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romaxa	freemangordon: do you need access to repository?	08:02
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freemangordon	romaxa: why not	08:02
romaxa	freemangordon: you can push gtk example in there	08:03
romaxa	freemangordon: do you have github account?	08:03
freemangordon	yes	08:03
romaxa	same as nick?	08:03
freemangordon	yes	08:03
freemangordon	(but lemme double-check)	08:03
freemangordon	romaxa: yep, the same as my nick	08:04
romaxa	btw, branch hosted now at https://github.com/tmeshkova/mozilla-central, so change ref when you pull next time	08:04
freemangordon	ok	08:05
romaxa	done	08:05
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freemangordon	thanks, will create fremantle-qml and fremantle-gtk branches	08:07
freemangordon	(soon :) )	08:07
romaxa	freemangordon: no need to have branches, unless you change core	08:07
freemangordon	romaxa: BTW any hint how to not rebuild the whole think for every small change I do?	08:07
* Sc0rpius is still waiting for repos to update, or timeout		08:07
romaxa	freemangordon: just do it inside embedding/embedlite/tests/gtk	08:08
freemangordon	hmm, ok	08:08
romaxa	freemangordon: make first simple gtk2 example which does work on pure gtk no hildon	08:09
romaxa	freemangordon: so it will work on desktop too	08:09
freemangordon	romaxa: but I have some changes to allow it build with python 2.5, I want to push them. I'd prefer to push them in a branch, as I don;t know if those would not break the other builds	08:09
freemangordon	romaxa: have in mind I am not exactly GTK guru :) :D	08:10
romaxa	freemangordon: then it make sense to create some special define if needed for fremnatle specific stuff	08:10
romaxa	freemangordon: does it work with python?	08:10
romaxa	2.5? just by version requirement change?	08:10
Sc0rpius	even though Community SSU (testing) is enabled, the same packages fail (maemosec)	08:10
freemangordon	romaxa: no, it needs a couple of .py files changed	08:10
Sc0rpius	oh it says "failed to refresh" so it seems Community SSU (testing) is unreachable	08:11
Sc0rpius	no wonder why:	08:11
freemangordon	ooh, yes	08:11
Sc0rpius	ok I enabled to correct repo, let's	08:11
Sc0rpius	err	08:11
Sc0rpius	community-testing is in repository.maemo.org	08:11
Sc0rpius	bummer :(	08:11
romaxa	freemangordon: uhm hm...	08:11
freemangordon	those are on maemo.org	08:11
freemangordon	Sc0rpius: there is a mirror, lemme find it	08:12
romaxa	freemangordon: is it really hard to make latest python available in your fremantle sdk?	08:12
freemangordon	Sc0rpius: http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/community-testing/	08:12
Sc0rpius	nice	08:12
freemangordon	romaxa: no, but I don;t see the point wasting time now on that	08:12
freemangordon	romaxa: and have in mind repos are down right now :)	08:13
romaxa	freemangordon: ok, I guess it make sense to do it this way...	08:14
freemangordon	romaxa: BTW what is the problem to create a temporary branch, we can merge (or not) the changes later on	08:14
freemangordon	yep	08:14
freemangordon	I will do gtk in master, but fremantle changes in a branch	08:14
freemangordon	romaxa: is libpng NEON-optimized?	08:15
freemangordon	do you know :) ?	08:15
romaxa	freemangordon: I wonder how people usually work with github... fork repo and then push changes via pul requests into upstream, or create multiple branches in same repo and merge them into main branch	08:15
Sc0rpius	former	08:15
freemangordon	romaxa: NFC, I usually use gitorious	08:16
romaxa	freemangordon: I see /media/libpng arm neon stuff in there	08:17
freemangordon	no such stuff here, maybe I should clobe it from the new repo	08:17
freemangordon	*clone	08:17
romaxa	freemangordon: in gitorius I see people do clone + pull requests.	08:18
freemangordon	romaxa: ok, i can do it that way either	08:18
freemangordon	thoush I have NFC how to to a MR on github :D. though I guess i'll find the way	08:18
freemangordon	*though	08:18
romaxa	freemangordon: I guess it make sense to do it that way... some stuff which is your temporary hack (like python) you can keep only in your clone, and merge rest into main repo	08:19
freemangordon	yep	08:19
romaxa	freemangordon: as soon it ready	08:19
freemangordon	agree	08:19
freemangordon	ok, i'll clone it	08:19
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romaxa	freemangordon: and when you got python2.7 in your sdk you can remove that change from your repo too	08:20
Sc0rpius	well.... I get a "Hash Sum mismatch" from that mirror of community-testing	08:20
Sc0rpius	the whole universe is against me	08:20
freemangordon	romaxa: what branch?	08:20
romaxa	freemangordon: embedlite	08:20
freemangordon	ok	08:20
freemangordon	ok, forked	08:21
thedead1440	Sc0rpius: try the mirror from: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1315143&postcount=96 ; hash sum mismatch was fixed here	08:21
Sc0rpius	interesting, let's see	08:21
freemangordon	romaxa: still no neon in libpng	08:22
freemangordon	https://github.com/freemangordon/mozilla-central/tree/embedlite/media/libpng	08:22
romaxa	errr	08:22
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romaxa	freemangordon: https://github.com/tmeshkova/mozilla-central/blob/embedlite/media/libpng/pngrutil.c#L3841	08:23
freemangordon	romaxa: png_read_filter_row_sub3_neon should be in .S file	08:24
freemangordon	I fail to see it	08:24
romaxa	freemangordon: probably it is not enabled hmm	08:25
freemangordon	yep	08:26
romaxa	freemangordon: that something that mozilla should do... eventually	08:26
freemangordon	ok	08:26
romaxa	freemangordon: also I guess it makes sense to use issue tracker for embedlite things	08:27
freemangordon	though it is nice to have it, it gives ~30% boost on decoding for libpng 1.2.7	08:27
freemangordon	though I can just use --with-system-png	08:28
freemangordon	:D	08:28
freemangordon	and change the required version number	08:29
freemangordon	Sc0rpius: how it is going?	08:29
Sc0rpius	I'm still waiting for repo to update (the skeiron.org one)	08:30
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Sc0rpius	Hash Sum mismatch for skeiron.org as well.	08:33
Sc0rpius	at least in the community-testing branch	08:33
thedead1440	Sc0rpius: ok we'll see why is it so... We thought we had fixed it...	08:34
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Sc0rpius	I will install manually the packages in the meantime	08:35
freemangordon	:)	08:35
thedead1440	ah it seems like extras was fixed but not community-testing	08:37
thedead1440	guess we have to roll-back to 26/12 backup instead :S	08:38
freemangordon	?	08:39
freemangordon	what about newer packages?	08:39
Sc0rpius	done with the manual installation	08:40
Sc0rpius	now let's see if it want to install CSSU-thumb now	08:40
romaxa	freemangordon: changing numbers not always good idea... more secure to compile locally system png with required version number	08:40
thedead1440	freemangordon: are there packages after 26/12? I thought no packages were updated?	08:40
thedead1440	due to auto-builder being down	08:40
freemangordon	thedead1440: this is CSSU repo ;)	08:40
freemangordon	no autobuilder shit involved	08:41
thedead1440	ah then merlin1991 has to fix it first	08:41
freemangordon	romaxa: usually yes, asp if you have 1GB of RAM... which we on n900 don;t have ;)	08:41
freemangordon	*esp	08:41
Sc0rpius	ok now it is installing.	08:41
Sc0rpius	...or at least downloading it...	08:42
freemangordon	Sc0rpius: did you make a backup? :D:D:D	08:42
Sc0rpius	nah	08:42
Sc0rpius	recovery is fun	08:42
freemangordon	well, pray then :D	08:42
thedead1440	freemangordon: repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ is not merlin's repo right? So then we just have to live with the hash sum mismatch and when repo.maemo.org comes back up the hash sums have to be matched and signed	08:43
freemangordon	thedead1440: yep	08:43
Sc0rpius	at least I could grab the packages though :)	08:43
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thedead1440	yup packages can be grabbed	08:44
thedead1440	the hash sum mismatch is a result of repo.maemo.org being screwed not the mirrors hence you see merlin and skeiron both giving the mismatch error	08:44
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romaxa	freemangordon: why not to update system png to the latest one?	08:47
freemangordon	romaxa: fremantle is on 1.2, I won;t risk breaking ABI juist for the fun of it	08:48
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freemangordon	and fremantle (cssu) is on latest (almost) libpng (1.2.49)	08:48
freemangordon	and for some reason mozilla wants 1.5	08:49
Sc0rpius	what Maemo needs urgently is to port and update Qt to 5	08:50
freemangordon	oh, at least libjpeg is with NEON patches	08:50
freemangordon	Sc0rpius: ORLY? what exactly application wants that?	08:51
Sc0rpius	:(	08:51
Sc0rpius	you don't like Qt 5?	08:51
freemangordon	I've never seent it so I neither like nor dislike it :D	08:51
Sc0rpius	it was released less than a month ago :P	08:52
freemangordon	just wondering why is the rush to change API avery 3 months	08:52
Sc0rpius	Qt is very buggy	08:52
Sc0rpius	Qt Contacts for example crash all the time	08:52
freemangordon	Sc0rpius: try the one in CSSU first	08:52
freemangordon	I won;t insist it is bug-free, but it is miles ahead of stock PR 1.3	08:53
Sc0rpius	by the way	08:53
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Sc0rpius	you said you replaced the whole Qt, I mean, you compiled Qt in thumb	08:53
freemangordon	yes	08:54
freemangordon	along with libqml	08:54
Sc0rpius	that means a Qt application not compiled in thumb would still render faster?	08:54
freemangordon	yes	08:54
freemangordon	(at least in theory)	08:54
freemangordon	though I didn't benchmark	08:54
Sc0rpius	if it "feels" faster is enough for me :)	08:55
freemangordon	Sc0rpius: the same for GTK, it is thumb-compiled too	08:55
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freemangordon	Sc0rpius: though it is not clear to me if it is because of thumb ISA or gcc 4.7.2	08:55
Sc0rpius	I see	09:03
Sc0rpius	it's still downloading	09:03
Sc0rpius	those mirror repos are slow!!	09:04
Sc0rpius	:P	09:04
freemangordon	hmm, it is big, some 50 MB iirc	09:04
Sc0rpius	45.9	09:04
Ex-Opesa	Sc0rpius: Are they working fine for you?	09:04
Sc0rpius	who?	09:04
Ex-Opesa	skeiron.org right?	09:04
Sc0rpius	yeah	09:04
Sc0rpius	well I grabbed some packages from there	09:05
Sc0rpius	but now I'm using community-ssu-thumb which is different	09:05
Ex-Opesa	I get weird hash mismatch errors for some specific packages.	09:05
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Ex-Opesa	Yeah	09:05
Sc0rpius	yeah there are some hash mismatch errors in some branches	09:05
Sc0rpius	and I grabbed the packages manually 'cos of that	09:05
Ex-Opesa	Even in 'apt-get update', the errors existed but they are fixed now. It updates sucessfully.	09:07
Ex-Opesa	Thanks for the info. I will contact brkn if I find him here	09:07
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Sc0rpius	now it's stuck in "Downloading 112 kB"	09:08
Sc0rpius	I wonder what it is	09:09
Ex-Opesa	Happens. I also dled some packages manually for batterypatch ^	09:09
freemangordon	I guess another package from community-testing	09:09
Sc0rpius	that would be terrible	09:09
freemangordon	Ex-Opesa: WHAAT? you've installed batterysuckpatch on your device? :(	09:10
freemangordon	~speedpatch	09:10
infobot	[speedpatch] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch]	09:10
freemangordon	~batterypatch	09:10
infobot	i guess speedpatch is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch]	09:10
Ex-Opesa	freemangordon: Lol! I don't know...I am using it for quite sometime. First you all disagree with fapman and now batterypatch. Geez!	09:11
Sc0rpius	this definitely won't install if the community-testing repo doesn't work.	09:11
freemangordon	ooh, fapman is a breeze compared to ..patches tornado	09:11
Ex-Opesa	freemangordon: Thanks for informing me. I might uninstall it ^	09:12
freemangordon	Ex-Opesa: FAM "might" break things	09:12
freemangordon	for "patches" you have the breakage granted	09:12
Sc0rpius	and it failed.	09:12
freemangordon	Sc0rpius: check in the log	09:12
Ex-Opesa	Yeah.	09:12
Ex-Opesa	Anyway. I will leave to shower and then work. Thank everyone!	09:12
Sc0rpius	where's the log	09:13
freemangordon	in the menu?	09:13
Sc0rpius	oh inside the app	09:13
Sc0rpius	I was looking at /var/log :(	09:13
freemangordon	hehe	09:13
Sc0rpius	failed to fetch libidn11_0.6.5-1_armel.deb	09:14
Sc0rpius	from extras-testing	09:14
freemangordon	extras-testing?!?	09:14
Sc0rpius	that's crazy	09:14
freemangordon	hmm, wait to see what apt-cache knows about that	09:14
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Sc0rpius	I wonder why it needs that	09:15
freemangordon	Installed: 0.6.5-1	09:16
freemangordon	NFC, but thanks for reporting	09:16
freemangordon	I guess it is libcurl that wants that	09:16
freemangordon	Sc0rpius: install it by hand	09:17
Sc0rpius	but I also have installed it	09:17
freemangordon	good	09:17
Sc0rpius	no, it says "rc"	09:17
freemangordon	rc?	09:17
Sc0rpius	root:/var/log# dpkg -l \| grep libidn	09:17
Sc0rpius	rc libidn11 0.6.5-1 GNU libidn library, implementation of IETF I	09:17
Sc0rpius	I'll install it manually	09:17
freemangordon	ok	09:17
Sc0rpius	ok trying again	09:20
Sc0rpius	it's updating	09:21
Sc0rpius	it closed everything even my SSH sessions	09:21
freemangordon	nice	09:21
Sc0rpius	you should put that libidn11 in the community-testing repo	09:21
freemangordon	for sure. and we need to check who needs it	09:22
freemangordon	merlin1991: ^^^	09:22
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Sc0rpius	well it seems it finished, and rebooted	09:29
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Sc0rpius	all my icons are there	09:30
freemangordon	nice	09:30
Sc0rpius	but Yappari crashes	09:32
freemangordon	baad	09:32
Sc0rpius	trying again	09:32
freemangordon	try something else	09:33
Sc0rpius	this time it worked	09:33
freemangordon	hmm, we should report that to the develper :P	09:33
Sc0rpius	hhehehehe	09:33
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freemangordon	Sc0rpius: try microb	09:37
freemangordon	to see the difference	09:37
Sc0rpius	it scrolls faster	09:37
freemangordon	:nod:	09:38
Sc0rpius	and the "milimetered page" doesn't appear :)	09:38
kerio	:D	09:38
freemangordon	yep, renders like mad :D	09:38
kerio	as a wise man once said, ^	09:39
Sc0rpius	you know stupid microb shows a milimitered page when it is rendering	09:39
freemangordon	;)	09:39
kerio	dammit fmg	09:39
Sc0rpius	I don't see it now	09:39
kerio	Sc0rpius: well, it still does, if you have a very complicated page	09:39
freemangordon	yeah	09:39
Sc0rpius	too bad Facebook still tells me that I should upgrade my browser	09:39
freemangordon	Sc0rpius: just ignore that	09:39
kerio	anyway, HAM will not work properly with mirrors	09:40
freemangordon	Sc0rpius: actually FB is usable on -thumb	09:41
Sc0rpius	TwimGo seems smoother as well	09:41
kerio	because of the fscking domain thing	09:41
freemangordon	(desktop site that is)	09:41
kerio	Sc0rpius: half of fremantle has been recompiled with a smaller ISA and with a much better compiler	09:41
Sc0rpius	nice	09:42
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kerio	the whole thing is faster	09:42
Sc0rpius	what about something more demanding, like YouTube	09:42
Sc0rpius	let's see youtube on microb	09:42
kerio	flash player still sucks	09:42
kerio	just use cutetube	09:43
freemangordon	Sc0rpius: you may want to shortens your transitions a bit, then you'll see how h-d performs	09:43
Sc0rpius	cutetube doesn't use flash?	09:43
freemangordon	no, afaik	09:43
kerio	it uses mafw	09:43
kerio	hell, if you want, it opens things in Media Player	09:44
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freemangordon	hmm, seems I was able to force mozilla to build with system png :D	09:44
kerio	you can also install a microb extension to get the link to the .mp4, to watch in mediaplayer	09:44
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Sc0rpius	that's what iPhones/iPad do I guess	09:46
Sc0rpius	since they don't have flash	09:46
freemangordon	no, apple reencodes flash	09:46
freemangordon	afaik	09:46
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Sc0rpius	hmm but now microb doesn't rotate :(	09:57
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Sc0rpius	even though the whole phone does	09:57
Sc0rpius	it disabled the option inside microb!	09:57
Sc0rpius	weird.	09:57
Sc0rpius	it rotates now.	09:57
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kerio	freemangordon: nah, youtube (re)encodes for the ithings	10:30
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DocScrutinizer05	chem\|st: I got 2 PM on tmo(!) like "error: can't post to any topic". Isn't r/o meant to also apply for PM?	10:43
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ivgalvez	maybe the sending operation is performed before writing the message in the DB	10:49
ivgalvez	have you received the email or it's actually stored in you tmo account?	10:49
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DocScrutinizer05	both	11:10
DocScrutinizer05	and I can thank again	11:10
DocScrutinizer05	I may not quote/answer, but the button is there again and I get very weird msg about my privileges not sufficient	11:11
DocScrutinizer05	also I recommend to change a small but significant detail in design of new tmo server GUI, so you can instantly distinguish both, on every page	11:12
DocScrutinizer05	poor example: change "maemo.org" headline to "new maemo.org"	11:13
thedead1440	or maemo.orgV2	11:13
DocScrutinizer05	or simply change the color or font	11:14
DocScrutinizer05	how about changing the white links "INTRO DOWNLOADS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT NEWS TALK" to orange?	11:16
thedead1440	or the maemo.org logo has " - Independent" next to it?	11:16
DocScrutinizer05	it's not yet ;-)	11:17
DocScrutinizer05	moo thedead1440	11:17
thedead1440	boo DocScrutinizer05 :p	11:17
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer05: only posting is disabled afaik	11:18
DocScrutinizer05	chem\|st: immediately after I noticed to Reggie in query that he failed to block editing for classic-light theme for me at least, he managed to remove edit and post and thanks buttons from everything	11:19
chem\|st	well	11:19
ivgalvez	chem\|st we also need to put the donation logo	11:20
ivgalvez	instead of the Council election for example	11:20
ivgalvez	any QML guru here?	11:20
ivgalvez	I'm suffering this nasty bug https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-26243	11:21
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DocScrutinizer05	and this new msg about my privileges when I click "answer": >> joerg_rw, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons: Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?...<<	11:21
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thedead1440	DocScrutinizer05: i've the same thing; its universal	11:21
thedead1440	but I have always been able to Thank a post	11:22
DocScrutinizer05	other users are severely pissed of "beeing bounced as a noob"	11:22
ivgalvez	using QML Loader to load an element and then reloading with a null source does not free the memory, it even consumes more resources	11:22
chem\|st	ivgalvez: DocScrutinizer05 : sry dudes but reggie did not give away any flowers for old tmo	11:23
DocScrutinizer05	still no indication whatsoever about the r/o state in classic-light theme	11:24
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lunde	all mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2013-01-17.log.html	11:24
DocScrutinizer05	hmm	11:25
DocScrutinizer05	?	11:25
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer05: I told him to keep you able to edit posts... so I am not wondering about that!	11:25
lunde	had council received khm resume	11:25
DocScrutinizer05	chem\|st: I'm not	11:25
DocScrutinizer05	or am I?	11:25
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DocScrutinizer05	no, no edit button	11:25
chem\|st	what happens when you hit edit on the "move" post	11:26
chem\|st	and you say it is theme dependant?!	11:26
DocScrutinizer05	dunno, I'm not constantly switching themes	11:26
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DocScrutinizer05	I however never had a useful thanks button on tmo theme	11:27
DocScrutinizer05	(konqueror)	11:27
DocScrutinizer05	so I can't say what's unusual in tmo theme right now, since I didn't use it for ~3 years now	11:28
DocScrutinizer05	I switched to tmo theme when I noticed I could edit and post despite Reggie said it's blocked now	11:29
DocScrutinizer05	but I guess same time Reggie changed stuff regarding that, so I can't even tell how tmo theme looked at that time	11:29
chem\|st	someone messed up the new server or is it just me not getting an index.php when entering the ip?	11:31
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DocScrutinizer05	hmm?	11:54
DocScrutinizer05	chem\|st: what index.php?	11:54
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer05: browsing to the new servers ip gives me a _blank_ white page	11:54
chem\|st	adding /index.php gives me a kind of broken theme tmo	11:54
chem\|st	I was wondering if my caches are messed up or if it is the server	11:55
DocScrutinizer05	I never did that ;-)	11:55
chem\|st	that was working for me after the first install and testing	11:55
DocScrutinizer05	http://188.117.59.209/showthread.php?p=1314433#post1314433 -> "" TMO is moving to this new server. We will be back soon when the DNS change is complete.""	11:55
jon_y	sounds like virtual hosting	11:56
DocScrutinizer05	same of course for any other sub-page	11:56
DocScrutinizer05	I haven't tested yet if maybe somebody already implemented my suggested dual vhost solution	11:57
DocScrutinizer05	we might need it since Nokia is slow with DNS changes, and they are getting even slower	11:57
DocScrutinizer05	not faster	11:57
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer05: what do you want to tell? that the post numbers changed?	11:58
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DocScrutinizer05	eh? no	11:58
chem\|st	what then? when I open your showthread link I get to some page about screenbrightness	11:58
DocScrutinizer05	I want to tell you about this "" TMO is moving to this new server. We will be back soon when the DNS change is complete."" message I get regardless of which page on this new IP I call up	11:59
chem\|st	what happens for you with 188.117.59.209 only ?	11:59
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer05: oh that I do not get	12:00
DocScrutinizer05	zilch	12:00
chem\|st	I get a blank page on bare ip	12:00
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DocScrutinizer05	not even that actually, it's a non-rendering page	12:00
DocScrutinizer05	"waiting for reply"	12:00
chem\|st	my admin account looks like having its balls ripped off...	12:00
chem\|st	non-rendering page?	12:01
DocScrutinizer05	you got etc7hosts hack?	12:01
chem\|st	not at work	12:01
DocScrutinizer05	http://188.117.59.209/index.php gives me same msg	12:02
chem\|st	browser cache?	12:02
chem\|st	oh maybe it is because of my admin cookie	12:03
jon_y	vhost means the httpd server actually looks at the http HOST argument	12:03
jon_y	not sure if this is the case	12:03
jon_y	sending an IP address means no HOST	12:03
jon_y	different HOST, on the same ip == vhost	12:03
chem\|st	jon_y: it worked for ip so starting setup was without vhosts	12:03
jon_y	maybe the css/image resource needed it?	12:04
chem\|st	jon_y: and it would have been me or reggie setting that up...	12:04
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chem\|st	it was working without!	12:04
jon_y	ok	12:04
chem\|st	now it is not	12:04
jon_y	check server logs?	12:05
chem\|st	maybe someone asked reggie to setup that senseless starting page telling to alter hosts file -_-	12:05
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DocScrutinizer05	no vhosts set up yet, same for hosts-patch and IP, I get blank page for root page, message for everything else	12:06
chem\|st	do you have a login button? or are you logged in?	12:06
DocScrutinizer05	I am logged in	12:06
chem\|st	ok	12:06
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DocScrutinizer05	honestly this sucks	12:07
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chem\|st	I do not have any info from reggie yet	12:07
DocScrutinizer05	the info from Reggie is 2i'm done"	12:07
chem\|st	hmm	12:07
chem\|st	when was that (date UTC)	12:07
DocScrutinizer05	[2013-01-17 06:26:18] <reggie_> all done	12:09
DocScrutinizer05	[2013-01-17 06:30:12] <DocScrutinizer05> ooh	12:09
DocScrutinizer05	that's CET	12:09
chem\|st	did anyone check if it was working properly?	12:09
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DocScrutinizer05	it worked exactly like it does right now, he blocked the new server with msg "" TMO is moving to this new server. We will be back soon when the DNS change is complete.""	12:10
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chem\|st	fsck $home just went down...	12:10
chem\|st	for what reason?	12:10
DocScrutinizer05	old server been supposedly put into r/o mode	12:10
DocScrutinizer05	hm?	12:11
chem\|st	that is "NOT WORKING"	12:11
chem\|st	working is you type the ip in your browser and get exact same page as with talk.maemo.org but without writelock and message telling you that	12:12
DocScrutinizer05	sigh I think I explained to whole chan incl you in loving verbosity why Reggie thinks it's not a good idea to have spiders index the new IP	12:12
DocScrutinizer05	you bitched about my stupid idea how to fix it	12:12
chem\|st	fucking what?!	12:12
chem\|st	cannot remember any spider indexing fuckup, and I bitched about vhosts setup for telling people how to alter their hosts file	12:13
DocScrutinizer05	[2013-01-17 13:08:54] <qwazix> chem\|st, DocScrutinizer just threw the idea to allow access to new tmo to people with updated host files	12:14
DocScrutinizer05	[2013-01-17 13:09:54] <qwazix> (apache will check host name request and show new tmo, or if someone just types the ip in the browser the landing page can have instructions how to edit hosts file)	12:14
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chem\|st	yeah fucking bullshit	12:14
DocScrutinizer05	RTFchanlog	12:14
chem\|st	the IP resolves in new TMO no need to set anything up!	12:14
DocScrutinizer05	>:-(	12:14
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chem\|st	doing what you tell would be the fuckup!	12:15
DocScrutinizer05	I several times elaborated on why Reggie doesn't want spiders to index that new IP, others like fmg confirmed	12:15
chem\|st	that way you could not resolve to new tmo with the ip ever	12:15
DocScrutinizer05	RTFchanlog!!	12:16
chem\|st	reggie could just have set a fwd	12:16
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer05: sry you are out!	12:16
DocScrutinizer05	dude, you really are not very helpful lately, what's the problem?	12:17
chem\|st	you having no clue about vhost and /etc/hosts and stuff	12:17
DocScrutinizer05	aha	12:17
chem\|st	short explanation	12:18
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chem\|st	browsing to the ip without altered hosts file on your computer was showing new tmo	12:18
DocScrutinizer05	until Reggie blocked it	12:18
chem\|st	does it work with altered hosts file?	12:19
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DocScrutinizer05	and I elaborated on loving verbosity to make you weep why he did. FMG confirmed his rationale	12:19
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DocScrutinizer05	oh, who got no clue about vhosts now?	12:19
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chem\|st	?	12:20
DocScrutinizer05	it does NOT work with altered hosts file since nobody implemented proper vhost on new tmo yet	12:21
chem\|st	AS IT IS NOT NEEDED! DO I NEED TO BE MENTAL NOW?	12:21
DocScrutinizer05	and I stated it does not work with altered hosts file just 15 min ago, for your convenience	12:21
chem\|st	so to calm again	12:21
DocScrutinizer05	sorry, you refuse to get it	12:21
chem\|st	the server is setup without vhosts	12:22
DocScrutinizer05	obviously	12:22
DocScrutinizer05	so what?	12:22
DocScrutinizer05	we all can see this	12:22
DocScrutinizer05	and I confirmed it for your convenience	12:22
DocScrutinizer05	15min ago	12:22
chem\|st	you can write ilovebigbuttsandicannotlie.org in your hosts file pointing to new server with same result!	12:22
DocScrutinizer05	so what?	12:22
DocScrutinizer05	we all can see this	12:22
chem\|st	you do not need vhosts to have tmo working	12:23
DocScrutinizer05	we need it to block spiders but allow people with altered hosts file to access	12:23
chem\|st	you do not need vhosts to have your resolving tmo as new server be working	12:23
chem\|st	who cares about spiders?	12:23
DocScrutinizer05	REGGIE!!!	12:24
DocScrutinizer05	you're out!	12:24
chem\|st	it was a rethorical question^^	12:24
DocScrutinizer05	and FMG confirmed his rationale	12:24
chem\|st	someone messed up the idea of a clean move	12:24
DocScrutinizer05	others as well	12:24
DocScrutinizer05	yes, nokia did, by not changing the DNS	12:25
DocScrutinizer05	sigh	12:25
chem\|st	you move old - > new and let old point to new until dns change proceeded	12:25
DocScrutinizer05	get a coffee, dude	12:25
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chem\|st	I have a massive head today	12:25
chem\|st	good idea	12:25
chem\|st	I am pissed again... not at you...	12:26
DocScrutinizer05	we all are	12:26
chem\|st	next time I say I am up for it... please shoot me	12:26
qwazix	for the record, gathered info about the vhosts thingie because everybody asks http://pastie.org/5715822	12:27
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DocScrutinizer05	qwazix: council ML and general ML back to normal \o/	12:29
qwazix	yay!	12:29
DocScrutinizer05	I was able to sort it with ferenc and mashiara, many thanks to both	12:29
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chem\|st	qwazix: nvm...	12:30
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chem\|st	so nokia gave reggie tmo DNS auth with the cname but reggie does not want to move itt?	12:32
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chem\|st	or alike	12:32
chem\|st	I am a dns noob	12:33
DocScrutinizer05	qwazix: missed to thank X-Fade	12:33
DocScrutinizer05	sorry	12:33
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chem\|st	although I managed two dns servers...	12:33
DocScrutinizer05	chem\|st: yep, since Reggie wants to keep his part of the ITT forum, he doesn't want to redirect it to new IP	12:33
qwazix	DocScrutinizer05, pls reply to ML thanking xfade just to check if I can receive normally	12:34
DocScrutinizer05	I'm not completely happy with this rationale but it's Reggie's DNS after all, we have no arguments against it	12:34
chem\|st	he could at least fwd the tmo requests to new ip	12:35
brkn	chem\|st: rewrite rule?	12:35
DocScrutinizer05	I guess he doesn't like to do this since it's work to implement	12:35
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chem\|st	brkn: rewrite?	12:36
DocScrutinizer05	and he doesn't want new IP accessible with same content like old ITT/tmo URL, since google page rank gets infraction points for that	12:36
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DocScrutinizer05	that's when my plan to block spiders on IP but allow users with patched hosts file access to new vhost comes in	12:37
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DocScrutinizer05	in my book Reggie knows his business	12:38
DocScrutinizer05	so I didn't feel like arguing with him	12:38
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chem\|st	brkn: redirection... I get it	12:39
chem\|st	so yes	12:39
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brkn	maybe i did not fully understand the situation	12:39
brkn	just trying to figure out some painless and quick options	12:39
DocScrutinizer05	for now we can't redirect since we have no way to block spiders from accessing new URL/IP we would redirect to	12:40
chem\|st	brkn: the redirection is painless	12:40
brkn	qwazix: you still the rootstrap files?	12:40
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer05: BS	12:40
brkn	you have Doc	12:40
DocScrutinizer05	please discuss that with Reggie	12:40
DocScrutinizer05	I tried and lost that argument	12:41
chem\|st	if you fwd tmo only and keep itt hitting on old server they get separated	12:41
chem\|st	I know	12:41
chem\|st	that way itt google will have old server and tmo google will have new...	12:41
DocScrutinizer05	honestly, don't bash me, I'm just the coordinator and the man with the hat on when you can't find a common sense	12:41
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DocScrutinizer05	I won't get involved in that any further until you tried to find a common sense among you	12:42
DocScrutinizer05	"you" including reggie	12:42
DocScrutinizer05	I'll just eventually propagate the complete story to community, telling who blocked what	12:43
DocScrutinizer05	I suggested solutions, i tried to convince people for the better, I'm pissed now	12:43
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qwazix	brkn, yes	12:52
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DocScrutinizer05	qwazix: sorry, sending mail hung	12:52
DocScrutinizer05	my fault	12:52
qwazix	DocScrutinizer05, np	12:52
qwazix	by the way we could just enable tmo and block spiders with robots.txt until move	12:53
DocScrutinizer05	sent	12:53
qwazix	thx	12:53
qwazix	received correctly	12:53
DocScrutinizer05	I think I suggested that to Reggie, but honestly, I'm out of the loop now	12:53
DocScrutinizer05	I don't feel like taking more bashing regarding that	12:54
qwazix	I don't blame you	12:54
DocScrutinizer05	not you, but other calling me names here	12:55
* DocScrutinizer05 counts IRC chan tabs and ends at 42		12:56
DocScrutinizer05	means, there's other stuff i'm busy with, to enable maemo org future for you	12:57
DocScrutinizer05	and this stuff exceeded the 2h/week I initially allocated to it by factor 50 now	12:57
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DocScrutinizer05	so I really don't need trolling (happy new year... you know who i'm talking about) or bitching or teachering about what's vhost and what's current state of that in tmo	12:58
DocScrutinizer05	I might sometimes sound like a fool, but no i'm not exactly one	12:59
thedead1440	DocScrutinizer05: take this: http://mychinaconnection.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/take-a-chill-pill.jpg	13:00
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer05: sorry... I know being stressed is not an excuse	13:01
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DocScrutinizer05	BMO alive	13:06
DocScrutinizer05	https://bugs.maemo.org/	13:07
DocScrutinizer05	lists, bugs... what else, except repository?	13:08
DocScrutinizer05	and tmo >:-(	13:08
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DocScrutinizer05	c'mon folks, give me input! what's missing? anything excetp repository and tmo that doesn't work as expected?	13:09
thedead1440	repo and tmo are the only ones DocScrutinizer05	13:10
DocScrutinizer05	great!	13:10
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lunde	is u-boot entry ok www.pastebin.com/Ezcy45J2	13:35
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Pali	lunde, why not?	13:45
lunde	thanks pali	13:46
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, autobuilder still not working	13:48
Pali	dput/scp for drop.maemo.org not working	13:48
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: thanks, i'll communicate it to Nemein	13:48
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, now after minute I connected to drop.maemo.org	13:49
Pali	but with error message: scp: /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle: No such file or directory	13:49
Pali	seems like incoming queue for autobuilder is not configured	13:49
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DocScrutinizer05	FYI: we tried to re-enable repository.maemo.org and got instant breakdown of whole rack again, causing downtime of several minutes on whole *.maemo.org	13:55
DocScrutinizer05	inidentified bottleneck somewhere in uplink	13:56
DocScrutinizer05	Unidentified*	13:56
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Pali	DocScrutinizer05, another problem. I cannot login with my username & password on maemo.org	14:03
Pali	Username or password was invalid.	14:03
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: x-fade got informed about it and should check what's wrong with autobuilder/drop	14:03
DocScrutinizer05	oooh	14:04
Pali	ok	14:04
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, try it too	14:04
DocScrutinizer05	I'm logged in, via cookie	14:04
Pali	on maemo.org?	14:04
DocScrutinizer05	err no, i'm not	14:04
Pali	that never worked	14:04
Pali	I already reported bug	14:04
Pali	DocScrutinizer05: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12623	14:07
jacekowski	if you want to i can host repository.maemo.org for time being if someone can arrange to get CNAMEs set up	14:07
jacekowski	or As	14:07
jacekowski	and even AAAAs	14:07
DocScrutinizer05	I get "socket operation timed out" on https://maemo.org	14:07
DocScrutinizer05	jacekowski: thanks, but yeah IF we could access DNS we already ahd a few problems less	14:08
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, try again or tell your browser to use higher timeout	14:08
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, any ETA for static?	14:09
DocScrutinizer05	static should work	14:11
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DocScrutinizer05	my timeout is already 10s	14:11
DocScrutinizer05	and 90s after connection established	14:12
dimir	DocScrutinizer05: I wonder why do I get "W: Failed to fetch http://skeiron.org/repo/repository.maemo.org/community/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz Hash Sum mismatch. E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead." when I do apt-get update.	14:13
DocScrutinizer05	YAY, it connected in 9th second	14:13
dimir	DocScrutinizer05: same thing with community-testing.	14:13
DocScrutinizer05	dimir: please ask brkn or thedead1440	14:13
thedead1440	dimir: get the packages you require manually; this has to be lived with till repo.maemo.org comes back up	14:13
dimir	Ah, OK.	14:13
dimir	thedead1440: ye but I can't install wget. :-D	14:14
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DocScrutinizer05	Pali: static seems borked for https access	14:14
DocScrutinizer05	or sometimes	14:15
thedead1440	dimir: skeiron.org/repo is accessible; browse it and get what you want; you can disable the failed repos and try too... http://skeiron.org/repo/repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/w/wget/wget_1.10.2-2osso3_armel.deb	14:15
dimir	thedead1440: OK, will try thanks.	14:16
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Pali	DocScrutinizer05, static sill not working, no background on maemo.org	14:19
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DocScrutinizer05	Pali: I can't log in to maemo.org. your https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12623 is about auto-logout which might be related to session cookies or whatever	14:21
povbot	Bug 12623: Do not auto log out on maemo.org midgard	14:21
DocScrutinizer05	yay, even povbot found bugs.maemo.org working for it again	14:21
DocScrutinizer05	static seems to work sometimes	14:22
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DocScrutinizer05	occasionally I don't even get CSS	14:22
Pali	DocScrutinizer05 and this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12284	14:23
povbot	Bug 12284: kernel-power in maemo.org package interface	14:23
DocScrutinizer05	fine, it's a bug, so we won't look into it right now	14:23
DocScrutinizer05	this is about migration right ATM, nothing else	14:23
Pali	ok	14:24
Pali	but you know that kernel-power is blocker for more than year!	14:25
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DocScrutinizer05	yes	14:26
DocScrutinizer05	you won't bother if we can't get repo to life again	14:26
DocScrutinizer05	honestly I couldn't care less right now about any year old blocker	14:27
DocScrutinizer05	sorry	14:27
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brkn	dimir: unfortunately my hands asre tied with that hash sums error	14:30
DocScrutinizer05	maybe if my day had 96 hours, and Nemein was a company that could throw 50 guys on this task	14:30
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dimir	brkn: no problem, I'm downloading stuff manually. thanks. :-)	14:49
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brkn	dimir: ok	14:52
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DocScrutinizer05	http://maemotalk.com/ wtf	15:14
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Skry	fresh	15:15
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Pali	DocScrutinizer05, what?	15:17
DocScrutinizer05	indeed what	15:18
DocScrutinizer05	7me checking DNS	15:18
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DocScrutinizer05	host -a internettablettalk.com has no A nor CNAME	15:19
dimir	brkn: do you know if there is a temp mirror for extras-devel?	15:19
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freemangordon	Pali: what was that bug report?	15:20
brkn	http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/repository.maemo.org/	15:20
Pali	freemangordon, kernel power v51 is not in package interface	15:21
freemangordon	Pali: i mean, the package is in -testing, or I miss something	15:21
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Pali	not all packages	15:21
brkn	http://maemo.jacekowski.org/mirror/repository.maemo.org/	15:21
brkn	i don't know whether they have hash sum problems as well	15:21
Pali	http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-modules/	15:21
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Pali	51r1 is not here ^^^	15:21
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, have maemo servers IPV6?	15:22
freemangordon	Pali: I see	15:22
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: host -a wiki.maemo.org	15:23
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, I see that there is no AAAA record, but I'm asking if servers has ipv6...	15:24
GeneralAntilles	DocScrutinizer05, http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD-.etc.hosts is down	15:24
GeneralAntilles	No longer needed, I take it?	15:24
DocScrutinizer05	exactly	15:24
DocScrutinizer05	obsolete	15:24
DocScrutinizer05	the similarly named file there have still all the info	15:24
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DocScrutinizer05	GeneralAntilles: al the DNS changes are done, and we are back to normal, except for autobuilder, tmo and repo, which all are not fixable via etc/hosts hack	15:25
DocScrutinizer05	well tmo was, if Reggie and chem\|st could agree on one of the possible solutions	15:26
DocScrutinizer05	right now both old and new tmo are in r/o mode	15:27
DocScrutinizer05	we either could forward from old to new tmo, or we could completely block old tmo and put a boilerplate there telling users to hack their etc/hosts	15:28
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, why reggie not updating his DNS A record to point to new TMO server?	15:28
Pali	nokia still has CNAME to ITT	15:28
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: I guess because of http://internettablettalk.com	15:28
merlin1991	phew maemo.org loads superslow	15:29
Pali	talk.maemo.org. 300 IN CNAME forums.internettablettalk.com.	15:29
Pali	forums.internettablettalk.com. 14400 IN A 74.86.202.247	15:29
Pali	why not add new forums.internettablettalk.com. IN A new_ip?	15:29
DocScrutinizer05	honestly I dunno	15:30
Pali	this can fix problem until nokia update TMO A record ^^^	15:30
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, can you ask reggie?	15:30
DocScrutinizer05	No F*ing Clue	15:30
DocScrutinizer05	I gave up on it	15:31
Pali	internettablettalk.com. 85850 IN NS ns1.reggiesuplido.com.	15:32
Pali	reggie has own NS	15:32
DocScrutinizer05	yes, i'm aware of all that	15:32
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Pali	so he could update it without problem	15:32
DocScrutinizer05	I guess Reggie is aware too, though i'm not completely sure about that	15:33
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DocScrutinizer05	Pali: there's a point in every discussion when you have to realize you better stop. i reached that point	15:33
DocScrutinizer05	It's up to Reggie and chem\|st now	15:34
DocScrutinizer05	anything about ns1.reggiesuplido.com is not my call anyway	15:34
chem\|st	up to reggie... I have no access	15:35
chem\|st	I am trying to find what he did to the server to be that way	15:35
DocScrutinizer05	I suggest you ask him	15:35
chem\|st	mailed him already	15:36
Pali	chem\|st, it is problem to update A record of talk.maemo.org. ?	15:36
DocScrutinizer05	*.maemo.org is Nokia SOA	15:37
DocScrutinizer05	Nokia recently set free about 1000 internet admin employees I heard	15:38
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DocScrutinizer05	up to anybodies guess how long they will need to change talk.maemo.org DNS	15:39
lunde	hoo :(	15:39
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, and drop.maemo.org? any ETA when it will be fixed?	15:40
DocScrutinizer05	it's been noticed to X-Fade	15:41
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Pali	ping romaxa	15:44
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chem\|st	Pali: I have no clue, I do not have access to any of reggie's	15:47
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MohammadAG	I swear Android is the biggest unreliable piece of shit ever made	15:51
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merlin1991	hehe	15:52
merlin1991	MohammadAG: care to elaborate?	15:52
MohammadAG	merlin1991, I have an SGS3	15:53
MohammadAG	got it in September, and sold the iPhone	15:53
MohammadAG	today, it felt like burning my day	15:53
MohammadAG	and it just hangs	15:53
Lava_Croft	That's the only downside of Android devices	15:53
Lava_Croft	You have to deal with Android	15:53
MohammadAG	I didn't change anything that would cause such a mess	15:53
DocScrutinizer05	I could fire up a last authoritative message from maemo administration coordinator to rsupplido, asking for changing >>talk.maemo.org. 300 IN CNAME forums.internettablettalk.com.<< to a proper A record pointing to new server, and take down that blocker boilerplate on new server	15:54
Lava_Croft	MohammadAG: that doesnt matter, shit will just break anyway	15:54
MohammadAG	in any case, I thought, I'll just flash stock firmware, and it'll work	15:54
MohammadAG	and that doesn't seem to be the case	15:54
MohammadAG	stock firmware won't even get past setup	15:54
MohammadAG	I'm thinking it's a hardware fault actually	15:54
MohammadAG	but the fact there's a Dalvik VM that's as reliable as PSN on my device doesn't help in finding that out	15:55
MohammadAG	though if it's hardware I don't see what my next phone would be	15:57
Lava_Croft	you can flash the firmware but it wont fully boot?	15:57
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Lava_Croft	if i screw up flashing on the nexus7, its usually related to emptying whatever shit cache android has	15:57
MohammadAG	Nexus devices are special Lava_Croft	15:57
Lava_Croft	of which there's like two or three different options in the Recovery menu	15:57
* DocScrutinizer05 waves a shiny new N900 to MohammadAG		15:57
MohammadAG	they don't break as much as other shit	15:58
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer05, doesn't work well nowadays	15:58
MohammadAG	I really wish the N900 got upgraded internals	15:58
MohammadAG	and it's gone again	15:59
MohammadAG	I guess it's a hardware fault	15:59
MohammadAG	it even locked up on AOSP	15:59
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xes	MohammadAG: ....most people think that zamzung devs are fantastic... most of them have severe hw issues	16:09
xes	i customized ~30 pieces of S2 in 5 months... about 10 of them started to have hardware issues after 2 months	16:11
MohammadAG	so again, I'm not sure what to get as a next phone	16:11
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xes	MohammadAG: i don't know.. maybe one rugged smartphone :)	16:13
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xes	...or better one rugged N900	16:14
Lava_Croft	n900 hw is seriously starting to age	16:14
MohammadAG	^	16:14
Lava_Croft	the HW already was ancient when the device came out	16:14
kerio	"ancient"	16:15
kerio	ancient would've been a portable zx spectrum	16:15
kerio	and it would've been awesome, too	16:15
Lava_Croft	Depending on your personal interpretation of ancient	16:15
Aoyagi	I think that word is relative.	16:16
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MohammadAG	considering a Galaxy Note 2 but seeing my current experience with the S3...	16:16
kerio	MohammadAG: nexus 4?	16:16
kerio	it's from lg	16:17
Aoyagi	So the N900 HW is starting to age performance-wise or reliability-wise?	16:17
kerio	Aoyagi: yes	16:17
Aoyagi	I see.	16:17
MohammadAG	kerio, I'd love one, if it had a microSD slot	16:17
kerio	:D	16:17
MohammadAG	or a 32GB model, or sth	16:17
kerio	MohammadAG: don't be silly, microsd slots confuse people	16:17
Lava_Croft	the galaxy nexus i had came with sdcard slot, too bad the device itself was made of paper or something	16:17
MohammadAG	16 isn't enough	16:17
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Lava_Croft	Using a 16gb N9 makes you appreciate the N900's 32gb + sdcard clot	16:18
Aoyagi	Why would you pay so much for mere extra 16 GB?	16:18
Aoyagi	It doesn't make any sense.	16:18
Aoyagi	(unless it has no SD slot, of course)	16:18
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kerio	it has no sd slot :)	16:19
Aoyagi	Oh...	16:19
Lava_Croft	Best device to get at this moment is no device	16:19
Lava_Croft	and be patient	16:19
kerio	Instead of implementing SD card support, Nexus devices offers a fixed amount of space that "apps just seamlessly… use", with users not having to "worry about files or volumes or any of that techy nonsense left over from the paleolithic era of computing".	16:19
* Lava_Croft rolls his eyes		16:19
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MohammadAG	kerio, I'm all fine with that	16:21
MohammadAG	but 16GBs is too fucking small	16:21
kerio	indeed	16:21
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MohammadAG	I use up all 11GBs on my S3, along with 42GBs on my SD card	16:21
xes	htc tryed with a "butterfly"	16:21
MohammadAG	looks like it stabilized	16:22
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MohammadAG	anyway, I see my next phone as an iPhone 4S, if a jailbreak ever comes out	16:24
kerio	not a 5?	16:26
MohammadAG	no	16:26
MohammadAG	it's crap	16:26
MohammadAG	I'd be happy with an iOS 5 4S actually	16:26
Aoyagi	One question. What's the improvement of 5 over 3?	16:26
MohammadAG	over the 4S, taller screen, better camera sensor, better CPU, double the RAM, better GPU	16:27
MohammadAG	but without a jailbreak, the CPU and RAM don't make a difference	16:28
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freemangordon	BTW I still don;t get it why repos are down	16:29
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WizardNumberNext	freemangordon: repos down - this is quite annouing	16:33
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qwazix	freemangordon, any chance you got the maemo 5 scratchbox rootstrap?	16:37
qwazix	it somehow slipped every available mirror...	16:37
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WizardNumberNext	Pali: I do have my own DNS. Do you recon I could fix getting to repo for myself, while using my wifi (I have two APs on my server, which have bind9 running on it)?	16:38
MohammadAG	./Documents/mohammad/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_i386.tgz	16:39
MohammadAG	./Documents/mohammad/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_armel.tgz	16:39
MohammadAG	qwazix, ^?	16:39
qwazix	WizardNumberNext, iirc repository.maemo.org is turned off	16:39
Pali	WizardNumberNext, repository.maemo.org not working...	16:39
Pali	you cannot fix it	16:39
WizardNumberNext	Pali: at all?	16:39
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Pali	why do you want to fix non working server?	16:40
Pali	and how?	16:40
WizardNumberNext	I am surprised, as repo is just files	16:40
Pali	but if server is turned off you can write to DNS what you want... I does not fix server	16:40
WizardNumberNext	do anybody know what exactly is wrong with it. I know somebody good for apache and I am generaly good at linux	16:41
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Pali	you can only wait until repo server will be fixed...	16:41
WizardNumberNext	this is already few days - it worries me	16:42
ShadowJK	it's turned off on purpose waiting for nokia to fix dns.. there was a problem with akamai hogging all bandwidth trying to mirror everything	16:42
freemangordon	qwazix: I have the rootstrap, but have no way of sharing it, windoze here :D	16:43
freemangordon	qwazix: though you should have it in your SB	16:43
WizardNumberNext	freemangordon: do you have IPv6?	16:43
ShadowJK	iirc	16:43
qwazix	freemangordon, thanks, MohammadAG will upload it for me	16:43
freemangordon	afaik no	16:43
freemangordon	qwazix: lemme check the version	16:43
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brkn	qwazix: i posted it this morning	16:44
qwazix	brkn, must've missed it	16:44
brkn	in query?	16:44
brkn	xD	16:44
WizardNumberNext	freemangordon: I would give you my IPv4, I have FTPS server there, you can put some files there (after I would find good place for it) and then i would make guest account, which would be able to see only those files	16:45
freemangordon	qwazix: you need maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_20.2010.36-2_armel.tgz	16:45
WizardNumberNext	check my ip on irc and you would instantly know, if have ipv6	16:45
brkn	726ebcbce306ae4449beb73d3c024222 maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_20.2010.36-2_armel.tgz	16:45
brkn	5ced14b7e3b1af8914ae6c0970bd7520 maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_20.2010.36-2_i386.tgz	16:45
freemangordon	WizardNumberNext: I can uplad it on merlin1991's server	16:45
freemangordon	brkn: perfect	16:45
freemangordon	qwazix: ^^^	16:46
WizardNumberNext	thats good enough - I do not have to tweak configuration then	16:46
brkn	give me 3 mins	16:46
WizardNumberNext	freemangordon: do you have 4.7.2-thumb for amd64?	16:46
freemangordon	no	16:46
WizardNumberNext	Pali: ^^	16:47
freemangordon	why do you need that?	16:47
WizardNumberNext	I would like to build kernel	16:47
freemangordon	so?	16:47
qwazix	I'm lost	16:47
freemangordon	qwazix: hm?	16:47
WizardNumberNext	cannot build my own cc 4.7.2	16:48
qwazix	brkn: can't find the query in scrollback, must be on the other pc, could you please send again?	16:48
WizardNumberNext	tried few times in row	16:48
brkn	i'll paste the 2 links, uploading to dropbox right now	16:48
freemangordon	WizardNumberNext: you need amd64 cross to arm, or the one that produces amd64 code?	16:48
brkn	i took the files from the vmware image	16:48
qwazix	freemangordon, is the above version posted by brkn the right one?	16:49
freemangordon	yep	16:49
Pali	I have arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc version 4.7.2 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.7.2-1ubuntu1)	16:49
WizardNumberNext	amd64-arm-thumb	16:49
qwazix	brkn I got ftp if you prefer	16:49
qwazix	and I can leave them there for other users	16:49
brkn	same here	16:49
Pali	it is included in ubuntu 12.10	16:49
brkn	if you want i upload on your ftp	16:49
WizardNumberNext	Pali: unfortunately it is not good - ubuntu have newer glibc	16:49
WizardNumberNext	and ubuntu is piece of crap	16:49
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freemangordon	WizardNumberNext: why do you need it to be amd64?!?	16:49
Pali	glibc is not used for kernel	16:50
freemangordon	what if it is i686?	16:50
WizardNumberNext	because I do not have i386 OS and I am not going to install one	16:50
freemangordon	WizardNumberNext: whaaat?	16:50
WizardNumberNext	would need to build loads of libraries to be able to run gcc in i686 mode	16:50
Pali	not everybody has compiled kernel with legacy x86 32bit support...	16:50
freemangordon	don;t tell me x86 binaries don't run on amd64	16:51
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Pali	dynamic lined of course not	16:51
Pali	*linked	16:51
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WizardNumberNext	Pali: I do have, but it doesn't really work on debian for some reason or another	16:51
freemangordon	iirc there are 32 bit libraries in all major distributions	16:51
Pali	WizardNumberNext, you do not need glibc for compiling kernel	16:51
freemangordon	that one too	16:51
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WizardNumberNext	freemangordon: they should, but only, if code is pure i386+	16:52
freemangordon	Pali: is it possible to build the kernel outside of madde/SB?	16:52
Pali	yes	16:52
WizardNumberNext	Pali: glibc - yes I know I do nopt need it, but gcc is running on top of glibc, which is older in debian then in ubuntu, so it won't run	16:53
Pali	cross compile	16:53
freemangordon	Pali: I mean .debs	16:53
freemangordon	I know you can do make zimage	16:53
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Pali	if you have needed tools on debian/ubuntu -> then yes	16:53
freemangordon	ok	16:53
Pali	foreign arch packages	16:53
WizardNumberNext	freemangordon: I do have glibc for both i786 (barcelona) and amd64 (barcelona)	16:54
Pali	but I did not played with that..	16:54
Pali	it can damage system	16:54
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freemangordon	WizardNumberNext: "Configured with: ../../sources/gcc-linaro-4.7-2012.07/configure --host=i686-pc-linux-gnu --build=i686-pc-linux-gnu "	16:54
Pali	ubuntu has support for multiarch which allows you to install also armel packages to system	16:54
WizardNumberNext	actually even k7 was i786	16:55
freemangordon	so I guess it will run	16:55
Pali	and then use dpkg-buildpackage -barmel to compile deb package for armel	16:55
Pali	*-b -aarmel	16:55
freemangordon	Pali: gcc in ubuntu is not the same linaro gcc ;)	16:55
freemangordon	aiui	16:55
Pali	ubuntu has some linaro	16:56
Pali	(Ubuntu/Linaro 4.7.2-1ubuntu1)	16:56
WizardNumberNext	Pali: this would need clean debian gcc libraries in system - I do not have them anymore	16:56
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Pali	WizardNumberNext, then compile gcc	16:56
freemangordon	:nod:	16:56
Pali	you can do it without 32bit libs	16:56
freemangordon	though compiling gcc to work in SB is not a fun :D	16:57
WizardNumberNext	mine are from 4.7.2 - configured, compiled and installed by me	16:57
freemangordon	crosstool-ng does not work	16:57
WizardNumberNext	I tried to build cross-compiler but failed	16:57
WizardNumberNext	it is always same - it cannopt find thread.h	16:58
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freemangordon	WizardNumberNext: use crostool-ng to download all the needed source for you	16:58
WizardNumberNext	would need to have glibc first	16:58
freemangordon	then build gcc/binutils by hand, statically linked	16:58
WizardNumberNext	I do have sources	16:58
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WizardNumberNext	vanilla gcc, and all other is from debian	16:59
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freemangordon	WizardNumberNext: building statically linked gcc/binutils is tricky, but it can be done	16:59
WizardNumberNext	binutils in place already	16:59
WizardNumberNext	why statically?	16:59
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freemangordon	WizardNumberNext: well, you may want to use that in SB someday	17:01
WizardNumberNext	I aim to have all cc-armel binaries in /usr/local/armel so it should work without static libraries	17:01
WizardNumberNext	SB?	17:01
freemangordon	and you won't be able to run it is SB chroot	17:01
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freemangordon	scratchbox	17:01
freemangordon	s/is/in	17:01
WizardNumberNext	I see	17:01
WizardNumberNext	should binutils be build static as well, then?	17:02
WizardNumberNext	looks like	17:02
freemangordon	yes	17:03
* WizardNumberNext need to attend some very important matters in tron room		17:04
DocScrutinizer05	tmo alive	17:06
qwazix	\o/	17:06
DocScrutinizer05	wait for DNS to propagate to your NS	17:06
freemangordon	WizardNumberNext: http://pastebin.com/Kn281rr3	17:07
DocScrutinizer05	halebop:/etc # host -a forums.internettablettalk.com ns1.reggiesuplido.com	17:07
DocScrutinizer05	forums.internettablettalk.com. 14400 IN A 188.117.59.209	17:07
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DocScrutinizer05	remove the ns1.reggiesuplido.com part, to see if it propagated to your NS already	17:08
freemangordon	WizardNumberNext: it is almost ok :D, ld was giving me some troubles, but I didn;t fixed it as the particular bug I was interested in was not solved in 2012.09 relese	17:10
WizardNumberNext	freemangordon: that might actually make me going	17:11
WizardNumberNext	but I am not going to try it now, as I have to go out soon	17:12
qwazix	maemo rootstraps for everyone -> maemo.qwazix.com, waiting for dns (temporary download page http://maemo.qwazix.com.oob-server4.info/)	17:12
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WizardNumberNext	Pali: is there any way to adjust turning off point of N900, while not using BME for battery management? I am using bq27x00 for management. It is turning off at rawly 3.15v-3.25v.	17:25
kerio	it's turning off at EDVF	17:25
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Pali	use rx51 bme replacement	17:26
WizardNumberNext	can I get right now?	17:26
Pali	it has hald-addon-bme which tell dsme when battery is empty	17:26
WizardNumberNext	kerio: why it varies?	17:26
Pali	!!!it is very experimental!!!	17:26
Pali	can cause reboot loop or bricking device	17:27
WizardNumberNext	what can go wrong. then?	17:27
WizardNumberNext	ups	17:27
kerio	nothing, it will shut down at EDVF	17:27
WizardNumberNext	I am not going to use it at the moment, thne.	17:27
kerio	but the voltage varies according to the load, too	17:27
Pali	full reflash	17:27
WizardNumberNext	s/thne/then/	17:27
infobot	WizardNumberNext meant: I am not going to use it at the moment, then.	17:27
Pali	if you want to break your device go ahead and download deb packages: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement/	17:28
kerio	:D	17:28
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kerio	(disclaimer: it might not break your device)	17:28
Pali	you need kernel-power v52	17:28
WizardNumberNext	Pali: I would have to prepare image for reflash, as I do not want to flash with stock - I would like to flash with my actuall contents	17:28
kerio	if you want to actually break your device, install n900fly	17:28
kerio	WizardNumberNext: there's no way to make a proper image, as of now	17:28
kerio	because such a thing would involve making the emmc image too	17:29
WizardNumberNext	Pali: I do not have v52 - I think I have v51 and I am not going to check now, as battery is almost empty	17:29
Pali	kerio, it could be possible	17:29
Pali	use 0xFFFF dump support	17:29
kerio	you can, however, get the tarballs via backupmenu or rescueos	17:29
Pali	WizardNumberNext, ok kp52 is really needed	17:29
kerio	Pali: if it's needed, why isn't it in the dependencies? :)	17:30
Pali	it is	17:30
Pali	via kernel-feature	17:30
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kerio	but kp51 has that feature too, doesn't it	17:30
Pali	it does not have rx51_battery	17:31
WizardNumberNext	kerio: mkfifo somepipe; scp somepipe user@host:mmc_dump; dd if=/dev/mmc0 of=somepipe	17:31
WizardNumberNext	should work	17:31
Pali	this is reason why you need kp52	17:31
kerio	WizardNumberNext: MTDs don't work that way	17:31
Pali	and 51 is not enought	17:31
DocScrutinizer05	many thanks to Reggie and chem\|st for smooth migration of tmo	17:31
WizardNumberNext	kerio: I have images of flash made that way	17:32
kerio	well, i hope your flash will never degrade	17:32
WizardNumberNext	not exactly that way, but with dd	17:32
kerio	or they'll become as useful as a piece of lint in your navel	17:32
kerio	(note: your flash will degrade)	17:32
WizardNumberNext	kerio: I know it does degrade	17:32
Pali	WizardNumberNext, do not remember that you cannot flash mtd5 from active maemo	17:32
WizardNumberNext	Pali: is it rootfs (I cannot remember now), if it is obviously you cannot do that	17:33
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WizardNumberNext	damn big mess if you do	17:33
Pali	mtd5 is rootfs	17:34
Pali	you cannot use dd for nand	17:34
WizardNumberNext	I did it with HDD and efect was very disturbing	17:34
Pali	you need to use nanddump and nandwrite	17:34
Pali	but first you must umount and detach ubi from that nand	17:34
kerio	not even nandwrite, actually	17:34
WizardNumberNext	Pali: you can, if you know eraseblock size	17:35
kerio	it won't magically make the bad blocks disappear	17:35
Pali	problem is that ubi must be detached before doing something	17:35
DocScrutinizer05	indeed it's unclear if nandwrite would result in a working UBIimage with one additional bad block	17:35
WizardNumberNext	but nanddump/write would be useful if I would still have my old routers, but I throw them out	17:36
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WizardNumberNext	Pali: which is almost impossible to achieve on working OS	17:37
Pali	you can boot kernel with initfs from RAM	17:37
Pali	and then flash it via usb network	17:38
WizardNumberNext	but you always can: echo s >/proc/sysrq-trigger; echo u >/proc/sysrq-trigger; echo s >/proc/sysrq-trigger	17:38
Pali	what is s and u?	17:38
WizardNumberNext	umount	17:38
Pali	sync & umount?	17:38
WizardNumberNext	I do this on server and desktop for ultra-fast reboot	17:38
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WizardNumberNext	s - sync; u - unmount ALL FS	17:39
Pali	ok	17:39
WizardNumberNext	actuall: u - remount in r/o	17:39
Pali	and what happen if disk is busy?	17:39
WizardNumberNext	which garantee you that FS would be SYNCed	17:40
Pali	e.g. somebody has open file descriptor for writing?	17:40
WizardNumberNext	doesn't matter - it is from kernel	17:40
WizardNumberNext	it overrides everything	17:40
Pali	normally you cannot do mount -o remount,ro /	17:40
WizardNumberNext	but this is from userspace, sysrq works from kernel-space	17:41
WizardNumberNext	and it does what you ask for	17:41
Pali	hm, it is possible to do that r/o remount only for specified disk?	17:41
WizardNumberNext	no	17:41
WizardNumberNext	it does it for all FS	17:41
Pali	so there is no way to do it from userspace too?	17:41
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kerio	that's why you usually do EI first	17:41
kerio	(termall, killall)	17:42
WizardNumberNext	and only reason why it would not be able to to remount is when it cannot access device for some reason	17:42
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WizardNumberNext	with sysrq you do not have to bother with termall killall	17:43
WizardNumberNext	btq you can see in dmesg if it did it sync and remount and see all FS which where remounted\	17:43
WizardNumberNext	by device node	17:44
WizardNumberNext	s/btq/btw/	17:44
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WizardNumberNext	ok, I have to go now, see ya later	17:45
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Sc0rpius	tmo is r/w again?	17:54
Pali	Sc0rpius, why do you think?	17:56
Sc0rpius	rollback	17:56
Sc0rpius	and Nokia never updated their DNS	17:56
Sc0rpius	is that what happened?	17:56
Pali	dig @ns.nokia.com talk.maemo.org >>> talk.maemo.org. 300 IN CNAME forums.internettablettalk.com.	17:57
Pali	nothing changed	17:57
Sc0rpius	exactly, but I can post replies	17:57
Sc0rpius	so that looks like a rollback	17:57
Sc0rpius	it was read only yesterday	17:57
Sc0rpius	repos are still down	17:58
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freemangordon	Well, tmo is in r/w mode, though I have NFC where it is served	17:59
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freemangordon	Sc0rpius: it is 188.117.59.209, so it is nemein	18:00
chem\|st	Sc0rpius: repos are down	18:01
Sc0rpius	yeah they are still down	18:01
chem\|st	new tmo server is live and DNS change in progress	18:01
Sc0rpius	ok	18:01
freemangordon	chem\|st: we wait for akamai to fix something?	18:01
chem\|st	freemangordon: ask DocScrutinizer05 about that no idea what went wrong	18:02
freemangordon	ok	18:02
freemangordon	well aiui akamai did a DOS attack on the repos :D	18:02
DocScrutinizer05	hmm?	18:02
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: what is expected to happen to bring the repos back up?	18:03
DocScrutinizer05	http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html#t2013-01-18T00:20:57	18:03
dimir	Sorry, I can't find it, which repository has libneon27?	18:04
dimir	Talking about maemo5, n900 pr1.3	18:04
kerio	it's in extras-devel	18:05
kerio	why do you need it?	18:05
dimir	Ah.	18:06
dimir	I need syncevolution.	18:06
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: thanks	18:06
dimir	It requires libneon27 but I only have found libneon29.	18:07
DocScrutinizer05	http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html#t2013-01-18T13:55:28	18:07
dimir	wow, I'm part of the history now. :-D	18:07
dimir	wow, found it! http://maemo.jacekowski.org/mirror/repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/n/neon27/	18:08
brkn	http://skeiron.org/repo/repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/n/neon27/	18:09
brkn	oh too late	18:09
dimir	Ah, skeiron has it too, great, thanks!	18:09
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Pali	Why is/was TTE 86400 of TMO?	18:11
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DocScrutinizer05	nfc	18:13
DocScrutinizer05	bash dnsmaster@nokia.com	18:13
dimir	Ah man, I thought syncevolution has gui.	18:13
DocScrutinizer05	or Reggie ;-P - depending on which DNS record you're talking about	18:14
dimir	Maybe it's syncevolution-frontend.	18:14
merlin1991	dimir I have it aswell ;) http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/	18:14
* DocScrutinizer05 waves		18:14
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DocScrutinizer05	afk for some RL til meeting startes now+2h	18:15
dimir	merlin1991: ah, thanks a lot!	18:15
dimir	merlin1991: without the index file mismatch error? :-)	18:16
merlin1991	I have to check that	18:16
merlin1991	(I never used that mirror xD)	18:16
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dimir	:-D	18:17
dimir	It should give that error on 'apt-get update'	18:17
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merlin1991	yeah, though I have no proper downstream here, so can't test anything :/	18:18
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, on ns1.reggiesuplido.com	18:23
Pali	so we need wait 1 day until dns cache expire...	18:23
brkn	@pali that's max	18:24
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Pali	without line in /etc/hosts TMO we need to wait	18:24
Pali	brkn, so this is problem	18:24
Pali	why it was not decreased?	18:24
brkn	don't ask me	18:24
Pali	dig @ns1.reggiesuplido.com A forums.internettablettalk.com >>> forums.internettablettalk.com. 14400 IN A 188.117.59.209	18:25
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Pali	dig @8.8.8.8 A forums.internettablettalk.com >>> forums.internettablettalk.com. 8292 IN A 74.86.202.247	18:25
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merlin1991	Pali: google sucks ;)	18:26
Pali	dig A forums.internettablettalk.com >>> forums.internettablettalk.com. 3752 IN A 74.86.202.247	18:26
Pali	merlin1991, no google doing what is correct	18:26
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merlin1991	Pali: I know, but they still suck ;)	18:27
Pali	caching dns records until expire	18:27
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DocScrutinizer05	we'll not die from that	18:29
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DocScrutinizer05	a few users have to wait a tad longer until they will see new posts or can post by themselves	18:30
DocScrutinizer05	If I hadn't suffered a rage this afternoon, you probably wouldn't see new tmo on monday	18:31
kerio	jesus reisenweber, who raged for our forum	18:32
kerio	ty doc <3	18:33
merlin1991	hm I checked my cssu-testing and extras-devel mirror, no md5sum mismatch madness	18:34
brkn	17:15 <DocScrutinizer05> afk for some RL til meeting startes now+2h > go away doc	18:34
brkn	:D	18:34
kerio	merlin1991: maybe it's a HAM thing?	18:34
brkn	merlin1991: my december 26 mirror on another vps has no problems	18:35
brkn	seems this somehow happened early january	18:35
Pali	http://library.maemodocs.nokia.com/fremantle/index.jsp not working anymore	18:35
merlin1991	well my cronjob runs every night	18:35
merlin1991	and the system seems to work	18:35
* DocScrutinizer05 thinks his idea of RL is pretty rotten		18:35
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: it's cold outside!	18:35
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merlin1991	kerio: that's good for skiing!	18:36
DocScrutinizer05	indeed	18:36
kerio	merlin1991: but skiing sucks!	18:36
merlin1991	rly?	18:36
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kerio	yep	18:37
merlin1991	how come?	18:37
brkn	merlin1991: need to compare our mirror.lists	18:37
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: that sounds natsy	18:37
DocScrutinizer05	nasty even	18:37
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: did you mention this location for update by our global update project?	18:38
Pali	I forgot	18:38
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: points to akamai	18:38
merlin1991	brkn: no exactly secret knowledge here: http://paste.debian.net/226113/	18:38
kerio	merlin1991: that's your apt-mirror stuff, right	18:39
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: mhm	18:39
DocScrutinizer05	so probably Nokia taking down akamai servers right now	18:39
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DocScrutinizer05	now we're facing the dirty episode of Nokia going out of maemo business	18:40
brkn	merlin1991: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/0b9694a2/	18:41
merlin1991	brkn: that link for extras is baaad	18:41
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kerio	:o	18:42
brkn	well i'll fix it	18:42
merlin1991	on extras fremantle was pr 1.1 fremantle-1.2 was pr1.2 and fremantle-1.3 was a symlink to fremantle-1.2	18:42
DocScrutinizer05	:nod:	18:43
DocScrutinizer05	anyway I seem to notice our community being lively the last 7 days like no time during last year,	18:44
merlin1991	:D	18:45
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brkn	merlin1991: let's see whether it works now	18:46
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merlin1991	well you won't be able to run apt-mirror atm :D	18:47
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merlin1991	since the repo is down xD	18:47
DocScrutinizer05	http://hildonfoundation.org/supporters/ :-/ I can't believe there been not a single donation since 25.12.	18:47
brkn	sure	18:47
brkn	http://paste.debian.net/hidden/4ea4c066/	18:47
brkn	that correct now?	18:47
brkn	btw why you don't have deb-i386?	18:47
brkn	i took the lines from wiki	18:47
merlin1991	because I only need armel for device + quick test in sb	18:47
merlin1991	if I really need the i386 I can build it from the source	18:48
DocScrutinizer05	hah	18:48
merlin1991	i386 packages are only of use inside scratchbox when you want to run the emulated n900 on qemu	18:48
DocScrutinizer05	if there's any source, yeah	18:48
brkn	ok	18:48
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer05: that's why I have the deb-src lines aswell ;)	18:49
merlin1991	I don't see the case where I would want to run a i386 from non-free inside sb	18:49
brkn	Pali: http://library.maemodocs.nokia.com/fremantle > too bad i don't have that in our backup	18:50
brkn	oh and merlin1991 in all repos available fremantle stable with rootstrap and sdk installer missing	18:50
merlin1991	sdk installer sucks anyways	18:51
merlin1991	rootstrap I could upload	18:51
brkn	merlin i have the rootstrap, i was just wondering why it isn't in any repo	18:52
brkn	aka why is the stable branch missing	18:52
merlin1991	what do you mean by stable branch?	18:52
merlin1991	btw DocScrutinizer05 I'm not going to donate as long as there is paypal only	18:52
merlin1991	no point in transfering money just so that a fee goes to paypal	18:53
brkn	http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html	18:53
DocScrutinizer05	you'd be amazed and shocked about the fee for money transfer to bank accounts	18:53
brkn	http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py	18:53
brkn	that stable thing	18:54
DocScrutinizer05	keep in mind that HiFo is located in USA, CA iirc	18:54
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: bitcoins!	18:54
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer05: well I don't know about the fees on HiFO side, but I'm paying about no fees on my side thanks to being a student :)	18:54
DocScrutinizer05	hah, try to do a money transfer outside EU	18:55
merlin1991	brkn: that is just a silly python installer, the scratchbox pacakges + the wiki page are equivalent (and better)	18:55
brkn	i see	18:55
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brkn	don't know nothing about that. i keep repeating myself but i have 0 n900	18:56
kerio	D:	18:56
DocScrutinizer05	to GB it's about 10GBP iirc	18:56
kerio	you should buy a couple	18:56
brkn	*waves to doc	18:56
DocScrutinizer05	plus a few percent of amount on top	18:56
brkn	anyway thx merlin for explaining	18:57
ShadowJK	brkn; you have N8x0?	19:02
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brkn	firmwares?	19:03
brkn	http://paste.debian.net/hidden/b5438225/	19:04
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brkn	+ 810	19:04
brkn	+ 810 wimax	19:04
brkn	http://paste.debian.net/hidden/e9551542/	19:05
brkn	the complete list	19:05
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kerio	DocScrutinizer05: bitcoins transactions are much, much cheaper	19:07
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DocScrutinizer05	suggest that to ivgalvez in 60min on council meeting, since he's hiFo as well	19:08
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kerio	hm, it was a bit of a joke actually, but it could really work	19:09
kerio	mtgox fees for btc->usd aren't big	19:09
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kerio	well, it's not really a fee	19:10
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merlin1991	hm I don't have any bitcoins ;)	19:13
kerio	you can buy some! :D	19:13
merlin1991	yeah sure, I'll pay some € to a US company to get bitcoins (€ to $ fees, europe to usa fees), then transfer those coinds to HiFO and they get US$ (again fees)	19:14
merlin1991	hey that sounds way better than paypal	19:15
kerio	you can pay € to a EU company to get bitcoins	19:15
kerio	that's the whole point	19:15
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merlin1991	hm are there any?	19:15
ShadowJK	in europe, iban transfer is like free :)	19:15
merlin1991	last time I checked bitcoun to hard currency was only possibly via some USA based companies	19:16
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kerio	merlin1991: bitcoin-central is in france	19:18
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kerio	they do take a 0.49% fee	19:20
kerio	neat, their website is opensource, on github	19:21
merlin1991	is it rails based? :D	19:21
kerio	it is	19:22
merlin1991	hm time to check if they checked in that key file nobody knows not to check in into source repositories	19:22
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kerio	did they?	19:28
kerio	anyway, apparently bitcoin-central is actually a serious thing	19:28
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* ShadowJK has two new microsdhc cards to benchmark \o/		19:33
kerio	\o/	19:33
kerio	which ones?	19:33
ShadowJK	Two samsungs	19:33
kerio	ShadowJK: i was thinking of leaving one 1gb swap partition on my 32gb sandisk	19:34
kerio	and zeroing the rest	19:34
ShadowJK	MB-MSAGA/EU and MB-MPAGA/EU	19:34
kerio	would it make the swap faster? what do you think?	19:34
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ShadowJK	probably not	19:35
ShadowJK	fremantle swap isn't too slow on any card dedicated to swap ... atleast not until it starts fragmenting	19:35
DocScrutinizer05	the only fast swap is no swap	19:36
kerio	it was more for the "card has 32gb of erased blocks to use" factor	19:36
DocScrutinizer05	get decent apps that don't behave like ramtest	19:36
ShadowJK	I say "fast" comparing it to diablo-era 20 kbyte/s	19:36
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: use your EE magic to make a ram-based ephemeral uSD	19:37
DocScrutinizer05	alas particularly Qt is abysmal regarding ram-hogging	19:37
ShadowJK	ephemeral.. :)	19:38
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DocScrutinizer05	qt-textedit widget in qt3 ate like 50byte per char to display, where 'display' means complete textbuffer	19:39
DocScrutinizer05	and again that amount on invocation of destructor	19:39
DocScrutinizer05	opening a 1MB text file in Qt3-textedit reliably put my lean laptop into swap agony	19:40
ShadowJK	kerio; if using up space isn't an issue I'd make it 2gig	19:41
kerio	iirc i had problems with 2gb	19:41
kerio	or maybe it was 4	19:41
kerio	image-viewer lamented a lack of free memory	19:41
DocScrutinizer05	larger swap partitions eat more RAM for allocation tables	19:41
kerio	because 32bit	19:41
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DocScrutinizer05	so overly large swap is contra-productive	19:42
kerio	ShadowJK: i'm rebooting like crazy, anyway	19:42
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ShadowJK	cool, neither of these have UHS logo	19:43
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ShadowJK	grrrr	19:46
ShadowJK	I wish amazon hadn't patented easy to open packaging	19:46
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vetsin_	so what's happening at TMO? are we there yet? :)	19:54
vetsin_	just a few seconds ago posting was already possible.	19:55
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DocScrutinizer05	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1314588	19:58
Pali	Interesting	19:58
Pali	MCE source code for 770 was released	19:58
Pali	http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/os2008_hacker_edition.php?f=hacker2008-sources.tar.gz	19:58
Pali	also source code of osso-file-manager	19:58
kerio	which osso-file-manager?	19:59
Pali	also osso-applet-memory	19:59
Pali	osso-filemanager_2007.17.tar.gz	20:00
Pali	osso-applet-memory_2.2.11-1.tar.gz	20:00
Pali	mce_1.6.45.tar.gz	20:00
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, kerio, others: please look at tablets-dev, maybe there are more sources...	20:02
brkn	Pali: see http://paste.debian.net/hidden/e9551542/	20:04
brkn	aka there are only os2008 hacker sources	20:05
Pali	it is in hacker2008-sources.tar.gz	20:05
brkn	never extracted	20:05
Pali	brkn, how you generated that list?	20:05
Pali	from nokia server?	20:05
Pali	or only know links?	20:05
brkn	this is part of my mirror	20:07
brkn	my/ours	20:07
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brkn	i checked all ressources on nokia servers, auth' via cookie, then wget everything	20:07
DocScrutinizer05	meet ING	20:08
kerio	yay meeting	20:12
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romaxa	freemangordon: ping	20:21
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Sc0rpius	looks like everybody's busy in the meeting	20:45
Sc0rpius	but I'm not receiving mails about the TMO thread updates and I'm totally sad about it :'(	20:45
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Pali	ping romaxa	21:41
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Woody14619	Will return Monday, noonish EST.	22:13
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DocScrutinizer05	Sc0rpius: no mail from tmo? please ping chem\|st	22:21
DocScrutinizer05	chem\|st: ^^^	22:21
DocScrutinizer05	chem\|st: <Sc0rpius> but I'm not receiving mails about the TMO thread updates and I'm totally sad about it :'(	22:22
DocScrutinizer05	chem\|st: might be an issue with rDNS or sth	22:22
DocScrutinizer05	chem\|st: please check and ping me if we need help of Eero to set up rDNS or anything	22:23
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DocScrutinizer05	http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/latest.log.html#t2013-01-18T20:10:36 today's council meeting	22:47
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