IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2013-01-17

dimirAh, seems it'll be back up very soon:
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jyrjyrbeen thinking about building a little cluster with n900's =)00:32
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer05: i can't remember now01:10
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer05: but iirc one is for pr1.3 and other for pr1.2 and freemantle is the same as pr1.301:11
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DocScrutinizer05jacekowski: thanks! brkn^^^01:13
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, wiki.m.o and m.o frontpage and everything beyond it is fast as lightning. garage.m.o though sucks01:23
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dimirAnd repository still down. ;(01:26
DocScrutinizer05yes, repo is waiting for a DNS change to be done by Nokia01:27
DocScrutinizer05however rest of infra needs a check what's up and running, and what's still having issues or MIA completely01:28
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DocScrutinizer05I'd appreciate when some of you would check whatever they can think of, and report back here - please try to only list each subsystem entity once, as there's no use in e.g. checking every subpage of*01:29
DocScrutinizer05I'll start with01:30
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MrOppositeHi01:30* OK, login OK, editing OK01:30
MrOppositeI have a problem with dbus01:30
MrOppositeMy application is able to initialize context if I run from a user-terminal01:31
MrOppositeBut from a root context (such as init-scripts) I get this error: osso.exceptions.OssoException: Cannot initialize context.01:31 NOT OK, unresponsive/slow01:31
MrOppositesu user -c /home/user/bin/magnet-daemon.py01:32
MrOppositeAnd I'm not even running it as root, I'm running su first to run it as user01:32
MrOppositeany ideas?01:32
MrOpposite(I get the same error if I don't use su, and just run it as root)01:32
DocScrutinizer05MrOpposite: try /home/user/bin/magnet-daemon.py01:33
MrOpposite(That daemon is btw just listening for me clicking magnet URL's in the browser01:34
MrOppositethen sending them to my servers web-torrent client)01:34
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Woody14619Doc: also lists is still down.01:35
Woody14619Otherwise, getting the same as you...01:36
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MrOppositeI should probably make my code a bit nicer, use config files, package the application and upload it to the repositories01:37
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DocScrutinizer05Woody14619: yeah02:34
DocScrutinizer05garage account creation confirmation mails NOT OK02:34 probably NOT OK02:35
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jonwildoes work?02:41
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jyrjyrit seems to me the dns issue isn't resolved yet so no, repository doesn't work yet02:50
jyrjyralso, since dns information is cached, it will take some time before it starts to work even after nokia has updated their dns02:51
jyrjyrif i got it right, there should be information here on how to access the repository while the dns issue remains:
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PaliTMO is down?03:04
DocScrutinizer05ooh, it's down now?03:05
DocScrutinizer05Reggie is busy moving03:05
reggie_its not down, it's closed03:05
DocScrutinizer05hi reggie_! :-))03:05
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DocScrutinizer05just pestered you on new server ;-903:06
DocScrutinizer05reggie_: what means "it's closed"?03:07
reggie_i mean, the forum is off now since I'm running a backup03:07
DocScrutinizer05(pestered) meh, I sent a "wall"03:07
DocScrutinizer05reggie_: since basically we're good now with our Firewall/bandwidth issues on *, you're free to point your itt DNS to new server any time you like, if that's what you planned to do to handle the DNs switchover03:09
reggie_well, I'm moving servers as well so there will be some interruptions03:10
DocScrutinizer05you know tmo DNS is a CNAME to itt now?03:11
DocScrutinizer05did you ask Nokia to do that change? since last week it been a proper A record iirc03:12
Sc0rpiusso died peacefully and we can't upload packages anymore?03:12
reggie_i didn't ask nokia03:12
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Sc0rpiusit seems the whole thing is down03:13
DocScrutinizer05I wonder who decided to do that change from A to CNAME, or if I'm just wrong03:13
DocScrutinizer05Sc0rpius: huh?03:13
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reggie_i can see http://maemo.org03:14
PaliWTF is ?03:14
jyrjyrPali, yes03:14
Sc0rpiusyeah wiki works03:14
Sc0rpiusbut doesn't03:14 doesn't03:14
DocScrutinizer05hush and listen03:14
DocScrutinizer05read backscroll, just a mere 20 lines please03:15
Sc0rpiushmmm changed hosts? DNS not updated?03:15
DocScrutinizer05Sc0rpius: yes03:15
Sc0rpiusand just now? what a bad luck03:16
Sc0rpiusI was about to upload a package03:16
DocScrutinizer05sorry I can't help >:-/03:16
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Sc0rpiuswell I guess we have to wait a couple of hours03:16
Sc0rpiusmost DNS entries in the SOA has a TTL of 3600 seconds03:16
DocScrutinizer05I guess you have to wait and let us do our "job"03:17
Sc0rpiusI guess03:17
Sc0rpiusin the meantime, I?m very hungry so03:17
DocScrutinizer05reggie_: what are your plans with the DNS now?03:17
reggie_none really. it's eero who's talking to nokia03:18
orloki actually ran into a ex-nokia maemo developer on another channel03:18
DocScrutinizer05yep, so you don't plan to redirect itt DNS to new server?03:18
orlokIntel hired a lot of them apparently.. He's still in finland03:18
reggie_if i do, it'll be after the 20th. when i have everything moved to another server03:19
DocScrutinizer05so tmo is in service mode now, and eventually (some hours) will come up r/o again?03:20
reggie_yes correct03:20
DocScrutinizer05very good, thanks a lot for all your help03:20
reggie_backing up the db now03:20
DocScrutinizer05is it r7o for everybody or could I update ?03:21
DocScrutinizer05(once it's up again)03:21
reggie_yes. it'll be r/o for everyone03:21
DocScrutinizer05any ETA on when the new vserver is operational?03:22
reggie_not really. the request was made monday. i thought it would have propagated by now --that is if the dns change was made.03:24
DocScrutinizer05nah, not the DNS change03:24
reggie_oh vserver03:24
reggie_server for what?03:24
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Sc0rpiusscp: /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle: No such file or directory03:42
Sc0rpiuswell at least it's responding to SSH :)03:42
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Snafu777So, my battery is dead, I went ahead and decided to do some soldering and whatnot, I now have a hardline connection to my charger....04:26
Snafu777Im able to flash the emmc successfully04:26
Snafu777however When trying to flash the 2nd part04:26
Snafu777it gives me the following error:04:26
Snafu777Flashing cmt-mcusw... Sending request 0x50 failed: Protocol error04:26
Snafu777in r&d mode it reports: no initfs \0/04:26
Snafu777There are a bunch of threads on this04:27
Snafu777but the maemo forum is down right now...04:27
Snafu777Would appreciate any help i could get04:27
ShadowJK"hardline connection to charger" sounds disturbing, what exactly did you do?04:35
Snafu777Soldered the wires from the charger to the pts on the phone itself04:35
Snafu777Works fine04:35
Snafu777but prior to my battery dying, i was in the middle of a flash04:35
Snafu777hence the no initfs04:35
Snafu777So now, whilst waiting on my new battery, i hacked a solution04:35
Snafu777But ive never had this issue flashing before04:35
Snafu777tons of hits, but all on maemo forums04:36
Snafu777Which is why i asked here04:36
Snafu777gunna try an older version here in a second, just gotta find an extension cord04:36
r00t|n900the windowmanager on my n900 crashed...04:36
ShadowJKwhich pts on phone?04:37
ShadowJKr00t; cssu-thumb one has been doing that on me04:37
Snafu777where the battery terminals would connect04:37
r00t|n900It's funny because normally any system-app crashing leads to it being restarted or a device reboot04:38
Snafu777stole the idea from
ShadowJKand what charger?04:38
Snafu777factory charger fdrom nokia04:38
Snafu777Nothing out of the ordinary here04:38
r00t|n900the only reason i could switch to xchat was that i could click it's notification bubble04:39
ShadowJKthat's going to overvolt the battery bus on the phone :/04:39
Snafu777backup menu pops up04:39
Snafu777just fine04:39
Snafu777can interact and everything04:39
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Snafu777So you think the overvoltage could cause the protocol error?04:40
ShadowJKit'll probably crash/reboot or do funny stuff the moment the modem is turned on, too :)04:41
Snafu777So you think be patient, and wait on new battery04:41
Snafu777Or do you think ive done permanent irreversable damage?04:41
ShadowJKWell I know for sure that N900 isn't entirely stable when fed through charger->usbport without battery04:45
Snafu777i didnt think it could run without the battery, and i tried04:46
ShadowJKAnd that power from battery is probably not designed for more than 4.2V04:46
Snafu777until i did the hardpoint solder, nothing worked04:46
Snafu777the charger is like 5. something04:46
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ShadowJKSoftware doesn't permit it by default04:47
Snafu777and about .04 ma04:47
Snafu777So do you think I screwed up the hardware by doing this? =)04:48
ShadowJKYou know, attaching 3 D alkalines to the terminals is probably marginally  safer and a bit more stable :-)04:48
Snafu777fuckin a04:49
Snafu777doing it right now!04:49
Snafu777great idea04:50
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Snafu777Hah, thank u defcon XX, due to the badge, i have a handy 4.5 circuit already built!04:51
* thedead1440 misses tmo...04:56
Snafu777ShadowJK: Dope dude, Dope04:59
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Snafu777ShadowJK: dude05:02
Snafu777it worked05:02
Snafu777you win my heart man05:02
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Snafu777heh, triple As done provide the current05:10
Snafu777shuts off during dots05:10
Snafu777but if flashed successfully05:10
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DocScrutinizer05could somebody help me out with the correct incantation for Ubuntu server 12.04 LTS security update?05:22
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kerior00t|home: the latest cssu doesn't have the watchdog for h-d anymore07:19
reggie_TMO is back up but set to read-ony.07:27
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DocScrutinizer05reggie_: many thanks! :-D07:57
DocScrutinizer05reggie_: please add a page header to every page mentioning the r/o fact and maybe pointing to or similar text with more elaborate explanation07:58
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reggie_it's already at the right side07:59
DocScrutinizer05"this forum is in <a href=>mainenance read-only mode>/a>07:59
DocScrutinizer05ooh, missed that08:00
reggie_yup it's there ;)08:00
DocScrutinizer05hmm, probably not in my "classic light2 theme08:01
DocScrutinizer05hmm, probably not in my "classic light" theme08:01
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lundeeveryone is there anyway we can set low brightness08:04
keriolunde: plenty08:09
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Sc0rpiusno builder yet :(08:11
lundewell I tried gconf one08:11
keriolunde: the settings menu has a slider iirc08:12
keriosame as simple-brightness-applet or whatever it's called08:12
lundeplease tell more methods08:12
keriowhy? what's your issue?08:12
DocScrutinizer05please post proper notice about >>URL, plain-text-servicedescription, error/symptom<< to #maemo-meeting08:13
DocScrutinizer05Sc0rpius: ^^^08:13
lundeno issue brightness irritates my eyes08:13
keriooh, you want something less bright?08:14
lundehave simple-brightness-applet08:14
DocScrutinizer05there's a patch on tmo08:14
DocScrutinizer05kerio: you beat me to it??08:15
keriosuck it08:15
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Sc0rpiusthe repositories are still down, right?08:25
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RST38hwere down yesterdau08:25
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romaxagot blocked access to maemo talks thread... activation link not sent or lost somewhere... resent does not show new link in my mail box08:45
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kerioromaxa: mail is still fubar due to lack of rdns09:09
kerioso... yeah09:10
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romaxakerio: so how can I solve this problem quickly?09:16
romaxakerio: need to get access to
keriotime machine to dec 2012, and register then09:16
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thedead1440romaxa: you mean blocked access because you can't post? That's due to the forum being migrated; you are an old member so why would you need to activate it again?09:19
romaxathedead1440: yep09:21
romaxathedead1440: trying to figure why is that09:22
thedead1440then its just migration issues09:22
romaxathedead1440: resending activation no email...09:22
freemangordonromaxa: hi09:22
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freemangordonromaxa: no matter what I am still getting segmentation fault in libxyl :(09:22
romaxafreemangordon: did you get symbols?09:23
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freemangordonno, binary is 600MB with them :)09:23
romaxafreemangordon: I see thread safety problem, do you build with pure Qt build or use some maemo stuff?09:23
freemangordonpure Qt09:24
romaxafreemangordon: sound like ThreadSafe Qt flag did not set properly09:24
freemangordoni just fixed python scripts to be 2.5 compatible09:24
keriofreemangordon: why didn't you install 2.7?09:24
romaxafreemangordon: did you get backtrace?09:24
freemangordonromaxa: Qt was missing a patch leadign to qpixmap complaining. I backported it, so it it silens, bus still segfaults in lubxul09:25
freemangordonno backtrace without debug symbols09:25
freemangordonthough I think I have coredump09:25
* freemangordon is still having his first coffee, apologies for the typos09:26
romaxafreemangordon: could you try export NSPR_LOG_MODULES=all:509:28
romaxafreemangordon: also make sure GRE_HOME=/path/to/current/folder just in case09:28
freemangordonromaxa: It opens, shows the UI and segfaults in an instant, but ok09:29
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romaxafreemangordon: yep sounds like some problem with libxul init09:30
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freemangordonromaxa: I guess I do something wrong, but just can't figure out what :(09:36
romaxafreemangordon: ok I guess I know what is goin on09:37
freemangordonnice :)09:37
romaxafreemangordon: ls components | grep .so09:37
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freemangordonthe others are .js files09:38
romaxafreemangordon: try remove libdbusservice.so09:39
freemangordonthe same :(09:41
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romaxafreemangordon: can suggest only try it on stock fremantle image09:42
freemangordonromaxa: why is that? how will that help?09:43
romaxafreemangordon: something wrong is going on with libraries init09:43
freemangordonand QT in stock is 4.7.009:43
freemangordonromaxa: ok09:43
romaxafreemangordon: maybe before that, it make sense to rebuild with --enable-debug --enable-logging09:43
freemangordoni'll try to figure it out09:44
romaxafreemangordon: so you will se more debug logging stuff and we can figure out more exact place of failure09:44
freemangordon"--enable-debug --enable-logging" should help09:44
freemangordonthanks for the help09:44
freemangordonromaxa: do I need RTTI? as i've disabled it09:45
romaxafreemangordon: not sure depends on how Qt compiled09:47
romaxafreemangordon: on N9 we needed that because Meegotouch had it09:47
freemangordonwell, my previous fennec builds work without RTTI, I gues it is ok09:47
freemangordonno meegotouch in fremantle :)09:47
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freemangordonkerio: it was you help me fix python, why should I install stuff from extras-devel instead of 5 one-liner changes?09:49
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keriosure, why not :D09:50
romaxafreemangordon: btw, do you build from my branch?09:53
freemangordonromaxa: yep09:53
romaxafreemangordon: I guess python trick was added in there09:53
romaxaback to 2.609:53
freemangordonit is 2.5 here :)09:54
freemangordonso a couple of scripts needed tweaking09:54
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freemangordonI have the patch, so once there is a shared repo, i'll branch and commit it there09:55
freemangordonBTW maybe we should port harmattan Qt booster (I guess this is maemo-launcher equiv) to fremantle :)09:56
romaxafreemangordon: but for long term it is better to build 2.709:56
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freemangordonromaxa: sure, but let this run first :)09:57
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freemangordonthere is 2.7 in repos (thanks aapo)09:57
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keriothe 2.7 in the repos is some -rc, though09:58
kerioit should be updated to the latest stable09:59
freemangordonpester aapo :)09:59
freemangordonbut first... we need the autobuilder back :D09:59
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freemangordonromaxa: what is -DUSE_ANDROID_OMTC_HACKS=1 for?10:00
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romaxafreemangordon: I'm using OMTC compositor in embedd (threaded rendering) and mozilla currently use that mainly for android and has some tweaks in order to embed that rendering into android native UI... so I use some of them for my embedding10:03
freemangordonaah, ok10:03
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freemangordonromaxa: BTW is simple "strip" correct? shouldn't I "strip -g"?10:05
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romaxafreemangordon: not sure I use nfs mount and don't copy anything10:06
freemangordonI did "make deb", so I don;t copy anything either :).10:07
freemangordonI am following (basically) this
romaxafreemangordon: err... try to copy bin directory as is10:09
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freemangordonhmm... ok10:09
romaxacp -rfL obj.../dist/bin mozbuild10:09
romaxastrip mozbuild/*10:09
romaxascp on device10:09
freemangordonwill do. (once the new build has finished)10:10
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* thedead1440 is surprised to see posts in off-topic working on TMO :D10:20
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keriobtw, why are you using qt for fennec, now?10:26
keriooh, fmg is gone10:27
kerioi thought fennec was gtk10:27
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romaxakerio: fennec is basically xul, now it is mostly dead and unsupported10:28
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romaxakerio: I do build embedding API around gecko which would allow easily embed and build browser using practically any toolkit supported by mozilla-core, qt/gtk/win32/uikit10:29
keriogtk would be better for the n900, to use with maemo-invoker10:30
keriobut i'm thankful that someone is still thinking about firefox mobile on non-android10:30
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romaxakerio: yep, but in that case I need to build gtk wrapper+ui around generic api it is not really hard but Qt native ui would be more popular, because it become main toolkit on some platforms like ubuntu-phone,10:32
romaxakerio: mozilla does android support because android has market share10:32
keriofuck ubuntufone10:32
kerioand fuck jolla/sailfish, but a bit more gently10:32
romaxakeiro: look at this :)10:33
kerioromaxa: by "native" you mean still around your wrapper, right?10:33
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romaxakeith: core api is, EmbedLiteView.h10:34
kerioyou fail at IRC forever10:34
romaxakerio: which is C++, and wrapper Qt/Qml for example is just QGraphicsWidget hwich provides Qt widget with gecko rendering inside..10:35
romaxakerio: why I fail?10:36
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romaxakerio: for example here is pure c++ example which render webpage into console
keriohold on now, so the good ol' fennec has been discontinued? :(10:39
romaxakerio: mozilla work mainly on Android... because xul is slow, so noone is working on XUL Fennec anymore10:40
romaxakerio: it take ages to startup on raspberry pi10:41
jogasolution: uzbl10:41
romaxakerio: mozilla kept it for a while in repository, just in case if someone will continue contributions, but no activity so far10:41
romaxakerio: so now it is RIP10:42
romaxakerio: if you willing to support that go ahead and leave the comment10:42
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romaxakerio: why you don't like other native platform like ubuntu,jolla?10:44
romaxakerio: more native stacks will go to the market, more motivation to app developers write html5 crappy apps.. FirefoxOS benefit from that ;)10:45
tommishow do i make terminal font smaller10:45
romaxatommis: ctrl-10:46
keriotommis: volume slider10:46
keriowell, not slider, the volume keys10:46
tommisthe control one doesn't work10:46
romaxatommis: I did not know you asking about device....10:47
tommisi had accidentally made the font huge10:47
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keriowhat do you expect? this is #maemo10:47
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tommisalso is there any mirros for maemo repo?10:49
tommisfor me it's been down for couple days10:50
keriothey'll be up again shortly10:51
keriowe had some problems with the migration, they should be fixed now10:52
keriowell, it's kinda hard to keep servers up when you're being DoSed by akamai10:52
kerioit wasn't their fault, though :]10:53
keriotommis: a huge content distribution network10:53
keriodue to a misconfiguration, they decided that they had to redownload the whole of * again10:53
kerioand they have quite a fat pipe to do so10:54
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* DocScrutinizer51 idly ponders to turn those akamai server farms into a nice botnet, since probably Nokia will pay for them another 2 years :-P11:25
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keriojust point them to google.com11:26
kerioand then tell google to index stage.maemo.org11:27
keriounstoppable force meets immovable object11:33
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teotwakiok, this is fucking creepy11:48
teotwakiWe use TheBugGenie at work, works great, is awesome.11:48
teotwakiI just discovered a project that had never been used, which contains 19 issues.11:49
teotwakiProblem is, those 19 issues are emails from my personal inbox, dating back from may 23rd.11:49
teotwakiPosted by "Jeremiah C. Foster"11:50
teotwakiOn Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 08:12:24PM +0200, Piotr Jawidzyk wrote:11:50
teotwakiI think You're missing the point about "qt style agreement" here - We11:50
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teotwaki*don't* talk about changing license of Maemo software (i.e. opening11:50
teotwakiclosed bits, or whatever). Whole thing is about transferring11:50
teotwakigovernance over project.11:50
teotwakiThat was unclear in the original email.11:50
Lava_Croftis there any replacement for the seemingly defunt mussorgsky?11:56
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DocScrutinizer51why is it defunct?12:13
DocScrutinizer51web-api changed?12:14
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qwazixDocScrutinizer51 what's our state? I see tmo is r/o, works pretty ok (a bit slow) and new tmo is empty.12:26
PaliDocScrutinizer51, is this correct?    43190   IN      A
PaliI think that new servers are 188.x.x.x12:27
DocScrutinizer51:nod:12:27 is not making sense to me anyway12:28
DocScrutinizer51it been a redirect to iirc12:28
DocScrutinizer51qwazix: new tmo empty?12:29
qwazixecho "" correct?12:29
DocScrutinizer51it should be frontpage-banner blocked12:29
qwazixif you try to visit a specific thread it shows no posts12:30
qwazixjust a notice, "we are waiting for dns"12:30
DocScrutinizer51reggie doesn't enable it until DNS switch, due to obscure problems withy google page ranking for duplicated page content12:31
qwazixah, ok that's comforting12:32
qwazixon the other hand it's been duplicate with for quite a while now12:32
qwazix(always landing there from google and wondering why I am not logged in)12:32
DocScrutinizer51yep, and he wants to avoid same mess aiui12:32
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qwazixgood thinking then12:33
qwazixdo we know for sure the dns have been switched by Nokia?12:33
qwazixor that they've been instructed to do it?12:34
DocScrutinizer51I suggested to check HTTP URL, so spiders would see the frontpage blocker while those with etc/hosts patch could use live content12:34
qwazixthat's even cooler12:34
DocScrutinizer51but I dunno if it's feasible and if reggie wants to implement it12:35
DocScrutinizer51I asked him to ask mashiara to ask Nokia for DNS switch *again*12:35
qwazixshouldn't be hard, but anyway, Reggie has been overly helpful doing the move so let's do what he prefers12:36
DocScrutinizer51ask chem|st12:36
DocScrutinizer51he might want to practice ;-D12:36
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qwazixchem|st, ^^^ do you like to mess up with apache configuration?12:37
qwazix(If yes we got you a job here :) )12:37
DocScrutinizer51did mashiara show up on IRC?12:38
qwazixdunno, I just hopped in12:38
DocScrutinizer51I'm mobile and thus handicapped12:39
qwazixznc buffer doesn't show anything12:39
DocScrutinizer51you might query him and ask about Nokia/DNS and about security updates on tmo vserver12:39
qwazixI mean, doesn't show mashiara saying something, it works as expected.12:39
DocScrutinizer51he might not even join *maemo-meeting12:40
DocScrutinizer51query him please12:40
qwazixit looks like he is online now.12:40
qwazixAfk for 5 minutes, i'll do it when I'm back12:41
DocScrutinizer5140k pissed users OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG ;-)12:41
DocScrutinizer51(feasible) should be a dirt simple appache vhost12:45
DocScrutinizer51resp 212:46
DocScrutinizer51one for, and one catchall *12:46
DocScrutinizer51the brilliance of this concept: it works automagically when DNS switches12:47
DocScrutinizer51and on blocker-frontpage you can explain to users how to patch their etc/hosts and why it's needed12:48
DocScrutinizer51and those users which don't want to patch their etc/hosts still have all the "archive" on "old" tmo server, just r/o12:50
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DocScrutinizer51dang, I'd like to see his implemented just for the shits'n'giggles, even when DNS would switch tomorrow 100percent guaranteed (which I don't see)12:52
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sidhI just try again today the and it seems to not answer12:59
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marcdeopsidh: check
marcdeopupdate five13:03
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sidhmarcdeop: ok so for the moment we can use in our apt-preferences ?13:05
sidhsorry I mean sources-list13:06
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sidhI promise I won't abuse, I just need pidgin-otr13:25
sidhthanks brkn13:25
brknyou are welcome13:25
brknby abuse i mean mirror the whole 260 gb with apt-mirror or such13:26
sidhno problem, I'm sysadmin too, and I do know what means hosting contributions13:27
brknwell there is a second server up in case someone really wants to mirror the whole repository13:28
brkni guess will be up soon anyway13:29
sidhbtw is there a forge or github where sources of n900 apps are available ?13:29
sidhI downloaded the Nokia Qt dev kit, but I would need some sources example for starting13:30
sidhmy app13:30
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chem|stqwazix: you mean if I want to mess it up? no. if I can? guess everybody can! if I am familiar with it? yes.13:54
chem|stqwazix: I am not so familiar with ubuntu although I know my way around in debian13:58
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qwazixchem|st, DocScrutinizer just threw the idea to allow access to new tmo to people with updated host files14:08
qwazix(apache will check host name request and show new tmo, or if someone just types the ip in the browser the landing page can have instructions how to edit hosts file)14:09
qwazixI think is a pretty nice idea so that tmo doesn't get impacted too much from the migration, if you have access and you are willing to do it, please do. Otherwise we can just wait for the dns14:11
qwazixHopefully it will be ok by tomorrow, however I don't have any news about what state it's in14:11
qwazix(i.e. if nokia made the switch and we're waiting for it to propagate, or if we're still waiting for the switch)14:12
chem|stqwazix: usually you set the previous server to fwd no need to have users mess with their hosts files!14:12
qwazixYes I suggested that in ML but Reggie felt otherwise.14:13
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qwazixSince he's volunteering to do the migration and generally help out I say we respect that.14:14
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qwazixHe also provided rationale, since he's going to downgrade his old server after tomorrow, he wouldn't like traffic going through it.14:14
chem|st that is actually part of a move... well14:15
chem|stI thought the DNS should be processed within the next 24h?!14:15
chem|stisn't it on him to change the record?14:16
qwazixIt's just that Eero hasn't responded to my query about DNS state and DocScrutiniser told me "I asked him to ask mashiara to ask Nokia for DNS switch *again*"14:16
freemangordonnokia. afaik14:16
qwazixso you probably see why I'd prefer to have an interim solution14:17
freemangordonthough we don;t need apache to do it, his border firewall can do it with a simple rule14:18
freemangordonqwazix: is it a good idea to ask him to setup his uplink switch to forward 80 to the new ip? I know that will double the traffic, but it will slowly fade away once DNS record is changed14:20
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qwazixfreemangordon, I don't want to pester Reggie more with that issue, if we can do something ourselves, good. Else we wait for the DNS.14:24
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chem|stqwazix: no we can not...14:31
qwazixok, we'll wait for the switch in that case14:31
chem|stqwazix: someone having the ip already is already there... someone not having the IP wont see the note about a hosts file edit how-to... so it is pretty pointless14:32
qwazixchem|st, someone having the ip is blocked14:34
qwazixso that google doesn't index whole of tmo with ip14:34
qwazixblank page14:35
qwazixthe idea is to allow those having the ip and using hosts file (by checking http request url)14:36
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DocScrutinizer05chem|st: you're missing the point, which is Reggie not wanting to see any spiders on the IP14:40
DocScrutinizer05also Reggie definitely WONT change his ITT DNS to point to new tmo14:40
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DocScrutinizer05any spider would read vhost "*" with the blocking boilerplate as is now, while those with etc7hosts patch would read vhost "" and reach live tmo14:42
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DocScrutinizer05honestly, it's a 15min change for somebody with no clue about appache/html-server, who needs to read manpages before editing config for vhosts14:43
DocScrutinizer05it's up to anybody's guess when DNS will change14:44
DocScrutinizer05maybe never14:44
DocScrutinizer05Eero requested it for yesterday 1000UTC, they changed it Monday, but to a CNAME14:45
DocScrutinizer05only Elop might know if they think it's done already, or eventually will change it again14:45
marcdeopI didn't follow all the process but I guess they didn't want to give us control over the domain, right?14:47
DocScrutinizer05when I asked Reggie why he needs to block new server, he explained to me that google page ranking might suffer from identical content on a different URL - the IP was such a different URL with same content as talk.maemo.org14:48
DocScrutinizer05marcdeop: the "control over the domain2 is sth HiFo is negotiating with Nokia lawyers14:48
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DocScrutinizer05only God knows how long this will take and what we'll see as result in the end14:49
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DocScrutinizer05the server move however is reality, and we need to deal with it. Fact is we got a working tmo which is blocked simply to keep spiders out. I suggested a smarter solution to keep spiders out and still allow power users and devels to access it, even without proper DNS A record14:51
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brkn13:48 <DocScrutinizer05> when I asked Reggie why he needs to block new server, he explained to me that google page ranking might suffer from identical content on a different URL - the IP was such a different URL with same content as > that's true, duplicate content14:53
DocScrutinizer05and with a simple cmdline ~# echo "" >>/etc/hosts; every (unix) user can access new tmo, no matter how long it will take Nokia to fix the DNS record14:53
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DocScrutinizer05...once we implement that simple dual vhost thingie on new tmo server14:55
dimirNow WMO down again?14:56
dimirIt was up for the whole day. :-)14:56
dimirIs this one valid BTW?
DocScrutinizer05basically yes, but obsolete15:00
DocScrutinizer05I maybe should simply take it down15:00
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DocScrutinizer05you still can find the same data (and more) in similarly named csb and html files in same dir15:03
marcdeopDocScrutinizer05: windows has a hosts file as well :P15:04
DocScrutinizer05but probably no echo cmd ;-P15:04
DocScrutinizer05or has it?15:05
DocScrutinizer05do I want to know?15:05
freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: no echo, but notepad :D15:05
* DocScrutinizer05 pukes15:06
marcdeopthere probably is a echo alike command, dunno though ;)15:06
DocScrutinizer05alike, yes sure: print afaik15:06
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DocScrutinizer05echo is probably on/off for sth similar to bash set -v15:07
DocScrutinizer05all this might have changed during the 15 years since I last looked for such disgusting stuff15:08
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dimirIf is only a DNS issue could we get an IP?15:30
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DocScrutinizer05Eero said he wants it to point to stage.maemo.org15:37
DocScrutinizer05get IP from my DNS file, see above URL15:37
freemangordonDocScrutinizer51: the whole MO is down, not only the repos15:37
DocScrutinizer05you know what Bergie said?15:38
DocScrutinizer05read #maemo-meeting chanlog15:38
DocScrutinizer05of monday or so15:38
DocScrutinizer05I have to leave now15:38
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freemangordonyep, saw it. anyone maied them?15:41
freemangordonmailed even15:41
jyrjyri've been in contact with mashiara directly15:44
jyrjyrdoesn't hurt to have others kindly asking for them to listen ;)15:45
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freemangordonjyrjyr: any clue why MO is down?15:48
jyrjyri've got no information on any details yet15:48
freemangordonjyrjyr: ok15:48
jyrjyrthe impression i'm getting is, mashiara is alone trying to manage the whole bunch. and he's a very busy guy.15:49
RST38hNokia will outsource 820 IT staff and make 300 more redundant, leaving a skeleton IT operation at the troubled phone maker.15:50
jyrjyrprobably some very basic reasons why things aren't working, should be easy to solve but it does take time and concentration of course15:50
jyrjyrRST38h, just read about that too15:50
freemangordonqwazix: care to sent a mail to support@nemein to inform them for the current problems. bergie is right that we should use the "official" support channel15:50
RST38hMay Stephen Elop turn into a giant pumpkin.15:50
qwazixfreemangordon, ok, i've not been paying attention here for the last few minutes, quick sitrep please15:51
xesbtw...polling a sysop is not a good way to help him...15:52
jyrjyrxes, he's an old friend of mine15:52
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qwazixAnything else apart from w.m.o and t.m.o DNS?15:57
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qwazixyou 've got two minutes before the mail is off15:58
paviIs down ?15:59
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paviunable to ping to it15:59
qwazixit seems everything is down again16:00
qwazixI'm in the process of sending an email to support16:00
qwazixplease try garage.maemo.org16:01
paviI am downloading stardict16:01
fralsRST38h: got a link for that?16:01
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fralsRST38h: ty16:03
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paviqwazix: even garage is down16:04
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pavi Temporary mirror for repositories until migration issues are solved.16:44
paviIt doesnt work16:44
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Palikerio, I updated hald-addon-bme, compiled without debug support16:52
Paliyou can use it16:52
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freemangordonLooks like MO is up17:06
freemangordonI was even able to logon to wiki ;)17:06
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spoofyHello :) I just got a polarcell battery. On the battery applet it shows only 1252mAh. What can I do to calibrate battery?17:06
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freemangordonoh, doc has removed hosts file IPs17:32
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paviwe finally got the major issues sorted! still down, but that has no impact on tmo migration. Reggie is about to initiate that right now.17:36
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paviLatest news at
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kerioPali: you are now the man17:48 is now back to being kinda slow :(17:49
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jyrjyrspeeds etc. will definitely fluctuate for a while still, it's a transition phase17:59
keriospoofy: one sec18:00
keriospoofy: which battery applet? do you have the bme replacement?18:00
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spoofykerio: latest thumb, upgraded from devel-repo and poof! I have an battery applet :)18:01
kerio>upgraded from community-devel18:01
spoofykerio: I don't have bme replacment18:01
keriobad spoofy18:01
spoofykerio: why?18:01
spoofykerio: ugh.. I'm just testing new stuff18:02
spoofyI like to be on "bleeding-edge" :P18:02
Lava_CroftI was about to ask why I have been deprived of this applet, even tho i run thumb218:02
kerioit's not even bleeding yet18:02
spoofynow.. Can you help me with my polarcell?18:02
keriospoofy: it's kinda easy, actually18:02
Lava_Croftwhere would i get that applet?18:02
spoofykerio: I'm listening.. what should I do master :)18:02
kerioit boils down to "charge until VDQ becomes set, then let it discharge until EDV1 becomes set"18:03
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keriothen start charging again because it's about to brownout18:03
spoofykerio: Yyy... Ok..18:03
keriobut if bme is running, it'll shut down your n900 before EDV1 is reached18:03
spoofykerio: now I'm reading estel post on tmo about calibrating battery18:03
kerioso you need something else to check the discharging, usually bq27200.sh18:03
spoofyshould I use his script?18:04
kerioDocScrutinizer05: do you have the bq27k calibration script?18:04
keriospoofy: sure, why not18:04
keriowhat's the script?18:04
spoofyscript is script ;]18:04
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keriooh, i see18:05
keriowell, using a script lets you do the calibration overnight18:05
keriofullscreen xterm at max brightness so it's still kinda dark18:05
kerioit'll drain a fully-charged battery in 5 hours or so18:05
spoofymy poor lcd :(18:05
keriodeal with it18:05
keriobesides, i think that the keyboard slider is set to fail much before the rest18:06
kerioeither that, or the musb port18:06
spoofySo.. should I use < this script with some i2cget on /root?18:06
spoofyor something else?18:06
kerioi2c-tools is in extras-devel18:08
keriothe script doesn't need bq2720018:08
kerio(it needs, however, a bq27200 chip)18:08
keriobut i don't have the old script anymore, because i use pali's battery modules18:08
Lava_Croftkerio: google doesnt tell me where to get pali's replacement battery status area plugin?18:09
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kerioLava_Croft: it's a seeeeeeekrit18:09
Lava_Croftwell, most of the internet is a secret to google:<18:09
Palicssu-devel repo18:09
Lava_Croftty Pali18:09
keriostatus-area-applet-battery in community-devel18:09
kerio1.0-2 is the latest18:09
Lava_Croftfound, thanks18:09
* merlin1991 headdesks18:10
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Lava_Croftsay hi to using shit hilight settings18:10
* Lava_Croft chuckles18:10
merlin1991Lava_Croft: nah say hi to using your nickname in your url18:10
Lava_Croftor that:)18:10
Lava_Croftyou could just make irssi ignore the url for hilights18:10
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merlin1991hm only that I'm not using irssi18:10
Lava_Crofti have a seperate window in irssi where all the hilights are stored18:11
Lava_Croftthat way its a bit easier to disable sounds/visual cues18:11
kerioholy updates batman18:11
Lava_Croftanyway, sorry for hilighting? :D18:11
merlin1991nah no sense in being sorry for a perfectly valid link18:13
Sc0rpiusstill no builder .818:14
keriohrmpf, i still forget pali's website18:14
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jyrjyrbit of good news: an infra/admin meeting with nemein is taking place tomorrow. that should solve a number of things or at least give us a clearer picture of the current problems and how to fix them. the repository is still out due to nokia not reacting to dns change request, and that too will hopefully be fixed tomorrow.18:16
kerioPali: aargh, my /tmp was filled again18:17
reggie_And tmo too I hope18:18
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Palikerio, did you rebooted after installing new hald-addon-bme?18:18
kerioPali: no, before doing so18:20
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onrehi. are there any usable mirrors out there? i've tried googling for them and found one that didn't really work, i got a package checksum error for Packages.gz18:24
Lava_Croftniec applet, Pali, thanks18:26
onremerlin1991, thanks!18:26
jyrjyrmerlin1991, it would be great to have that info out there - i didn't find your mirror while searching the forums18:26
merlin1991hm I think I published the mirror at some point, could have been only on irc though18:26
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kerioPali: rebootan18:29
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kerioPali: booted :D18:31
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onrebrkn_away, for some reason, whole returns "no" when i try to access any url on that domain18:53
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onrelooks like i'm getting a hash sum mismatch for Packages.gz no matter what i do. this is a N90018:54
freemangordonromaxa: with --enable-logging and --enable-debug and .../dist/bin copied according to your instructions, it works, yay :D18:56
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freemangordonguys, mozilla IPCLite works on n900. That is official from me :P18:56
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thedead1440onre: gives repo access only not www access so please add it to you sources list remove any old skeiron lists you may have and apt-get update again; the hashsum error was fixed around 22 hours ago... I've tried it on my n900 too ;)18:57
merlin1991now freemangordon wtf is IPCLite?18:57
romaxafreemangordon: EmbedLite ... actually18:57
freemangordonromaxa: ok, won't argue on the name :)18:57
romaxait is deigned to be Multi-Thread/Process18:58
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freemangordonno XUL18:58
* freemangordon is going to try to open FB18:58
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onrethedead1440, allright, i'll try that.18:58
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thedead1440onre: do a rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* then mkdir /var/lib/apt/lists/partial , apt-get clean and finally apt-get update... The only 2 repos with hash sum mismatch iirc are extras and community-testing... they were fixed 22hrs ago...19:00
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freemangordonromaxa: I still don;t get it why GL rendering is waaay slower than SW rendering19:03
thedead1440can someone please clarify; after reading all my backscroll i see that to access the new live TMO "echo "" >>/etc/hosts;" must be done but doing that i get a message saying this is the new server and its awaiting DNS change while the old one is a r/o copy... So TMO is still r/o and no new posts allowed?19:04
freemangordonyep, afaik19:04
* thedead1440 is facing withdrawal symptoms :D19:05
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romaxafreemangordon: because maemo5 sgx drivers old and slow I guess, and texture upload is pretty expensive there19:06
romaxafreemangordon: it make sense to test with oprofile19:07
freemangordonI see. But how then microb manages to render that fast? or it is on SW renderer?19:07
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DocScrutinizer05marcdeop: found your mail19:11
DocScrutinizer05marcdeop: let's have a query later, 1st need some coffee19:11
* marcdeop has already had a couple today19:12
romaxafreemangordon: microb render with SW renderer19:12
freemangordonaah, we don;t need GL then :)19:13
romaxafreemangordon: kindof19:13
* ShadowJK wouldn't expect newer drivers to magically make gl faster :P19:13
* freemangordon runs sunspider19:13
romaxafreemangordon: so do you work with debug build?19:13
romaxafreemangordon: debug build in general slower19:14
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freemangordonsure, building the release, but it will take a good 3 hours19:14
romaxafreemangordon: I was running same thing on beagle board with latest TI drivers and it feels much better19:14
romaxafreemangordon: you can create another config and change obj-dir19:15
romaxaMOZCONFIG=$(pwd)/mozconfig-opt make -f build_all19:15
freemangordonromaxa: yes, I know :). but keep in mind I saw that running some 5 minutes ago :)19:17
onrei find it amazing how easy vi is to use with n900 keyboard19:17
freemangordonBTW i'll do it, once github shared repo is setup. i.e. fremantle branch19:17
romaxafreemangordon: I would not surprise.... actually on fremantle you can make it works even faster but rendering with SW directly into XSHM pixmap and pushing it directly to gtk widget...19:18
romaxafreemangordon: but main problem of SW rendering is ability to run some things like  css3d19:19
freemangordonromaxa: I am dreaming to replace microb-engine with that19:19
romaxafreemangordon: btw try this one
freemangordonno point to run sunspider on debug build :D19:20
romaxafreemangordon: also this url
freemangordonromaxa: without -no-glwidget I guess19:20
romaxafreemangordon: no with19:20
romaxafreemangordon: and without19:20
romaxaand compare19:20
romaxaexport SHOW_FPS=3019:20
romaxain order to see framerate19:21
romaxafreemangordon: also make sense to test as well
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freemangordonromaxa: though I guess it is better to try with release build19:22
freemangordonotherwise the cube rotates19:22
romaxagl one or css3d?19:22
freemangordon~10 fps19:22
freemangordonthe first link19:23
freemangordonwith SW rendernig19:23
romaxathat is gl one19:23
ShadowJKman, video... if we could get all the flash and crap to throw stuff straight to Xv without doing extra yuv-rgb for alpha blending UIs :(19:23
freemangordongoing to try it with GL19:23
romaxaShadowJK: with GL it is possible to get YUV planes from decoder and upload them directly to YUV texture with YUV shader19:24
freemangordonromaxa: without -no-glwidget 2 times slower - ~5 fps :)19:25
romaxaShadowJK: ideally would be nice to reuse system HW decoder and di direct pipeline19:25
romaxafreemangordon: hmmm that is interesting19:25
romaxafreemangordon: ah yes19:25
ShadowJKi didn't think sgx had any useful yuv-rgb capability :)19:25
romaxawebgl now doing fallback19:25
romaxafreemangordon: that is slow now everywhere19:26
freemangordonok :)19:26
freemangordongoing to try the cube 3d19:26
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romaxaShadowJK: but it does support yuv shader I guess like this one
romaxafreemangordon: try big_buck_bunny.ogv video test, with HW and SW mode19:28
freemangordonromaxa: do i need gstreamer support enabled?19:28
romaxafreemangordon: now gecko has SW codecs19:29
romaxafreemangordon: arm_neon webm and ogg19:29
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freemangordonI see19:30
romaxafreemangordon: try that link, also you can download video on device in order to sandbox test19:30
freemangordonok, 3d cube - SW 3fps, GL -2 fps19:30
romaxafreemangordon: btw do you have gstreamer HW theora and webm codecs? on device19:30
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ShadowJKiirc there exists one running theora on dsp, but performance is/was worse than ffmpeg on cpu, iirc19:32
* ShadowJK wishes one day video accel wont be fixed-function anymore19:33
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freemangordonromaxa: big bunny results in "###!!! ABORT: unexpected type tag: '(mType) == (aType)', file ../../ipc/ipdl/_ipdlheaders/mozilla/layers/LayersSurfaces.h, line 1221"19:36
merlin1991bu fixed function is fun, that way you can license each and every codec to the enduser of your chip (see raspberry pi)19:36
freemangordonromaxa: though I guess I need to pass -mfpu=neon in options?19:36
freemangordonromaxa: another question - I tried to build it with system libpng (upstream version with APNG support included), function tests passed, but it refused to use it, any idea?19:37
ShadowJKmerlin1991; yeah but I mean for supporting new things.. like when WebM came, it took only 1000 lines of code to implement it in ffmpeg, because ffmpeg has the generic building blocks in it :)19:39
merlin1991ShadowJK: did I forget the </sarcasm tag?19:40
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romaxafreemangordon: not sure, but neon is actually very important for pixman if you want to get better perf19:42
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freemangordonromaxa: for sure :).19:43
freemangordonromaxa: does enable-logging degrades performance?19:43
romaxafreemangordon: for video it better to check, but one quick test to try is to set pref("layers.async-video.enabled", false); in defaults/pref/embedding.js19:44
romaxafreemangordon: a bit but not much19:44
freemangordonlemme first build it in release19:44
romaxaok, need to go at work..19:45
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freemangordonthanks for the help19:45
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ShadowJKmerlin1991; well I thought rPi was more about paying patent royalties to mpeg-la :P19:50
ShadowJKand there's still no hw theora or WebM, right19:50
merlin1991don't know the details but only h.264 is enabled by default, mpeg-2 and some others (not sure) can be licensed19:51
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ShadowJKh264 decode is pretty cheap for royalties19:53
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keriowho pays the royalties for VLC?19:53
ShadowJKmpeg2 of dvd times costs more :)19:54
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DocScrutinizer05khm: see20:15
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, sysop-wanted is
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jacekowski16 VMs?20:18
jacekowskiautobuilder, talk, main site, repos?20:18
freemangordonwiki, garage, BMO20:18
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khmDocScrutinizer05: has the hildon foundation reached out to places like osuosl?  it may be we can get free or extraordinarily cheap hosting for the web infrastructure, and leave the two physical servers for building and and such.  where is the proper place to discuss things like this?20:20
jacekowskii'm just wondering if it isn't overkill for what is really needed20:22
khmit is absolutely overkill20:22
jacekowskiesspecialy considering a fact that maemo community isn't going to grow20:22
khmif that infrastructure is loading machines of that spec, then there is tons of room for optimization there20:23
freemangordonjacekowski: it could be overkill, but that can be fixed after the migration to HiFo infrra is done20:23
freemangordonslowly ;)20:23
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jacekowskibut fact that i seem to be getting a lot more traffic to my mirror is interesting20:25
ShadowJKheh, how much?20:25
ShadowJKpeople probably assumed would be down forever and switched to your  mirror? :)20:26
jacekowski3.5k hits on 10th up to 75k hits yesterday20:26
jacekowskiso about 20x as much20:26
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freemangordonjacekowski: according to nemein, yesterday ~30k devices tried to reach the repos20:27
freemangordon(HAM update, you know :) )20:27
jacekowskii can host the repo for the time being if anyone is interested20:28
jacekowskiif someone can set the cname to my host20:28
ShadowJKoh i guess repo is down right now too20:29
freemangordonShadowJK: it is20:30
jacekowskii've had no idea that so many people knew about that mirror20:30
ShadowJKwould be an idea to cname everything to some other domain we could actually control20:30
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jacekowskiwell, who would manage it20:33
jacekowskiyou would need multiple people who have the password20:33
jacekowskibut that is not really the best idea20:34
ShadowJKto an account perhaps20:34
jacekowskiless people know the password the better20:34
ShadowJKWell too late now anyhow, when things have blown up already :)20:34
jacekowskiroot@jacekowski:/var/log/apache2/users# cat access.log.2013-01-17 | grep maemo  | wc -l20:34
jacekowski73k hits today so far20:34
jacekowskiit looks like someone is downloading the whole thing with wget -r20:35
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jacekowskithere is so many better tools for that20:36
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jacekowski2405:3700:400:101:2:1:0:a - - [17/Jan/2013:19:37:50 +0100] ( "GET /mirror/ HTTP/1.1" 200 517 "" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.17 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/24.0.1312.52 Safari/537.17" 481 76920:38
jacekowskisomeone with ipv620:38
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ShadowJKhow many individual IPs today?20:40
ShadowJKand how many bytes :)20:41
MentalistTraceurOff-topic rambling: Apparently 'sudo -s' on the N900 causes your .ash_history file to get chown'ed to root:root. (Makes since, since sudo -s doesn't change the environment settings, but it annoyed me so I felt like commenting on it here.)20:42
jacekowski463 IPs20:42
DocScrutinizer05khm: the proper place to discuss this probably is here and particularly tomorrow council meeting in #maemo-meeting20:42
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MentalistTraceurs/Makes since/Makes sense/20:43
infobotMentalistTraceur meant: Off-topic rambling: Apparently 'sudo -s' on the N900 causes your .ash_history file to get chown'ed to root:root. (Makes sense, since sudo -s doesn't change the environment settings, but it annoyed me so I felt like commenting on it here.)20:43
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jacekowskiShadowJK: 52G20:54
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KepitingAny one using nokia n900?20:58
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ShadowJKjacekowski; hm..21:03
keriowait, what21:04
keriowhat kind of question is that?21:04
DocScrutinizer05khm: please read21:04
infobotfrom memory, sysop-wanted is
ShadowJKjacekowski; so 3TB per day assuming 30k users...21:05
teotwaki_1GB / user / day?21:06
DocScrutinizer05khm: you could /query me for a few minutes, if you feel like needing a private word, but generally I prefer keeping things public - I just "wasted" one hour in a chat explaining stuff you would've profited from as well, so I'm doomed to do it again eventually. My bad21:07
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jacekowskiShadowJK: not exactly21:10
jacekowskiShadowJK: a lot of that was someone just doing wget -r on the whole thing21:11
ShadowJKLet's all do that daily XD21:11
DocScrutinizer05blame brkn ? ;-P21:11
jacekowskiwhole thing is almost 60G21:11
DocScrutinizer05ooh an apt repo? that's not been brkn21:12
jacekowski( i keep old versions)21:12
brknwas not me21:12
DocScrutinizer05fekkin spider?21:12
brknwell maybe it was once21:12
brknstill doc we have 9tb traffic left for this month until bandwidth limiter kicks in + another 10tb on vps21:13
brknso let ppl update their packages21:13
keriowe seriously need pdiffs21:13
DocScrutinizer05it been about jacekowski seen shitload of wueries today21:13
jacekowskiand yesterday21:14
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MentalistTraceurIs there a UI for prompting the user for root like in Gnome or whatever (like when you run the app manager in debian, it prompts you for your password, then I presume passes that to sudo in the backend)?21:19
MentalistTraceurFor the N900/Maemo 5 I mean.21:20
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MentalistTraceurRather, not for root, but for whatever the relevant sudo password is.21:20
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onreyour mirror must've been extra popular today :) it's the first hit with google when you search for maemo repository mirrors21:23
kerioMentalistTraceur: we need that, actually21:23
keriofirst we need a sudo with askpass support though :)21:23
brknjacekowski: there is a reason why i have disabled directory listing21:24
MentalistTraceurOff to googling askpass, then.21:24
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kerioand also with sudoers.d support, and update-sudoers as a symlink to /bin/true21:24
MentalistTraceurWhen you say we need askpass support first, is that a technical dependency for what I mentioned?21:25
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kerioMentalistTraceur: no, but it would be the easiest way to implement that21:25
kerioapplication runs sudo, if there's an attached tty, the password is asked there, otherwise it goes to the graphical askpass program21:26
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jacekowski17th is not cooked yet21:28
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jacekowskibrkn: directory listing is one of the most usefull things that apache can do21:29
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brknjacekowski: depends on what you want. i wanted to provide a maemo + harmattan mirror for usage on phones, not ppl recursively wgetting everything21:29
MentalistTraceurAlso, why symlink update-sudoers to /bin/true (vs. just deleting it and letting the app developers remove the presumably unstandard-to-begin-with update-sudoers from their install/remove scripts?)21:30
brknwell they still can but i guess they won't21:30
brknDocScrutinizer05: if you are okay with it i can also enable listing21:30
kerioMentalistTraceur: because backwards compatibility21:30
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DocScrutinizer05brkn: try it, watch for spiders21:30
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ShadowJKmaybe someone should set up a dnspool for repomirrors :)21:30
keriojust add * to robots.txt! :P21:30
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DocScrutinizer05switch it off again if shit hits the fan21:31
brknShadowJK: might be a good idea21:31
MentalistTraceurMeh. I feel like backwards compatibility is rather minor of a concern for a system like this. Especially if community now controls repos, which means abandoned packages can still have their update-sudoers scripts fixed accordingly.21:32
DocScrutinizer05brkn: or better: do a ls -lar >www/filelist.txt21:32
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brknopen now21:33
kerioMentalistTraceur: have you *looked* at extras-devel?21:33
brknDocScrutinizer05: list what for?21:33
kerioalso, it would divide the userbase into people who have cssu and people who don't21:33
DocScrutinizer05as alternative to listing21:33
MentalistTraceurLooked, use constantly, have uploaded to.21:33
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brknpfff no21:33
keriogranted, at some point we'll shove cssu in people's faces via fmtx-enabler21:34
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keriobut it still leaves those poor people in japan or britain who don't have fmtx-enabler!21:34
DocScrutinizer05brkn: btw a brilliant idea to publish the URL via chanlog21:34
MentalistTraceurAnd my opinion is that at this point people who don't are honestly like the people who continue to use old Nokia firmwares months after the new came out.21:34
brknack DocScrutinizer0521:34
brkni thought the goal is ppl can use the tmp mirror21:34 confirmed slow as fuck21:34
qwazixanybody knows in which package qdeclarativefolderlistmodel.h is?21:34
brknlike jacekowski does21:34
DocScrutinizer05you can already disable it again now21:34
jacekowskii was thinking about adding robots.txt to stop google from indexing all the subdirectories21:34
brknjacekowski: that was the 1st thing i did21:34
DocScrutinizer05or find a new domain21:35
brknwho cares it's a repository, nothing fancy21:35
brknit won't make it into google21:35
brkni sense sarcasm21:36
jacekowskibrkn: rotfl21:37
qwazixkerio, what about fmtx-enabler and cssu?21:37
jacekowskibrkn: i've had the whole thing indexed by google21:37
jacekowskibrkn: and a lot of other search engines21:37
brknjacekowski: no i don't want that21:37
kerioqwazix: n900-fmrx-enabler is preinstalled, and comes from extras21:37
jacekowskiup until yesterday that was main source of traffic for maemo.jacekowski.org21:37
DocScrutinizer05then DONT PUBLISH THE URL, fool21:37
keriowe control extras21:37
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brknDocScrutinizer05: that's what robots.txt is for21:37
freemangordonqwazix: we can push new version informing n900 users of CSSU21:37
keriobrkn: hahahahaha21:38
jacekowskiwell, thing is, if it's indexed it can be searched easily21:38
keriosure, maybe googlebot honors it21:38
qwazixhahaha... there's an update to your fm radio. 250mb :)21:38
DocScrutinizer05since anybody except wget looks for robots21:38
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DocScrutinizer05yes, wget does, didn't you know?21:38
kerioqwazix: just silently enable cssu-stable21:38
jacekowskiyes, and then ignores it21:38
freemangordonkerio: hell, no21:39
keriohell, yes21:39
qwazixSilently enable thumb :)21:39
freemangordonqwazix: hmm, that one might work :D21:39
* DocScrutinizer05 silently enables the MTHELs21:39
kerio<DocScrutinizer> cssu stable is now recommended to all n900 users21:39
kerio^ this shit right here21:39
DocScrutinizer05not forced21:40
kerionokia updates aren't forced either21:40
kerioyou get a message asking you to update21:40
DocScrutinizer05though I agree we might eventually need to increase the 2pressure"21:40
qwazixDocScrutinizer05 showing up to users that there is an update is not forcing21:40
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: though actually it is up to the user to press on "Maemo5 update"21:40
freemangordonqwazix: yeah21:40
qwazix^^^ that21:40
kerioy'all are too slow21:40
freemangordonthough i'd recommend to not go into this now :P21:41
keriohah, it would go *so* well21:41
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* DocScrutinizer05 already scans the holiday ads21:42
MentalistTraceurDocScrutinizer05, can you clarify for me exactly which repos (of the preinstalled on default firmware ones) we have control over now? I.e. does Nokia still continue to control some of them?21:42
* qwazix wonders if I should quit too to avoid the MTHEL's21:42
jacekowskiwhat about nokia sdk repo?21:42
jacekowskiwhat's happening to that one?21:42
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jacekowskithe one that is supposed to have "secret" key21:42
DocScrutinizer05I'm not the one keeping track of all resources21:43
kerioMentalistTraceur: afaik, nokia will keep control of
DocScrutinizer05I can't21:43
keriojacekowski: i thought the sdk repos were on repository.maemo.org21:43
DocScrutinizer05official handover handled by HiFo, backup handled by brkn21:43
freemangordonkerio: what? really? who told you that?21:43
keriomy sources.list file21:44
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jacekowskideb fremantle/4bc37c7c77ebe90177c050b805a8dc79 nokia-binaries21:44
jacekowskithere was one more i think21:44
kerioyou posted the secret key!21:44
kerioit was supposed to be a secret dammit!21:44
freemangordonjacekowski: SDK does not contain all the things21:44
MentalistTraceurDocScrutinizer05, alright, I just thought that fell under your domain as overall overlord of the HiFo admins. So I guess I should ask Board members directly?21:44
MentalistTraceurDoesn't everyone get a separate key to the nokia-binaries repo anyway?21:45
Palisecret is on too21:45
DocScrutinizer05MentalistTraceur: I'm technical coordinator21:45
PaliMentalistTraceur, no there is only one key21:45
freemangordonMentalistTraceur: no, it is the same for all21:45
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DocScrutinizer05I try to help with gathering all the rocks and stones, but no, it's not me who got the ultimate wisdom and database21:45
Paliwhat will happen with ?21:46
MentalistTraceurPali, freemangordon; I just checked mine right after asking that, but thanks for correcting.21:46
Paliwill nokia turn off it?21:46
DocScrutinizer05who knows21:46
Palior will it be transfered to HiFo?21:46
freemangordonPali: it is dedicated to "swipe" for 1 year or so :)21:46
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keriodo we have a mirror of the repo?21:46
Palifreemangordon, I mean full domain21:47
keriopossibly a seeeeekrit mirror21:47
Palithere is also
DocScrutinizer05kerio: we got *everything*, ask brkn ;-P21:47
keriosome things are better left untold21:47
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Creteilhi all21:47
kerioif anything, because otherwise google will bring it to its knees or something like that21:47
DocScrutinizer05kerio: he promised a beer for everybody who finds sth we need but don't have yet ;-D21:48
freemangordonPali: I guess the debs could be moved to MO21:48
MentalistTraceurAlright, I have to disconnect. *waves* Be back on eventually.21:48
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keriobrkn: i need a million euros and i don't have it yet!21:48
Palifreemangordon, but for correct working apt-repositories we need that domain21:48
brknno way21:48
brknalright then kerio21:49
freemangordonPali: well, we can use fmtx to fix that too21:49
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brknif you find any ressources unmirrored please do ping me21:50
freemangordonthough it is still to be confirmed that fmtx trick will actually work21:50
kerioby the way, why are community and community-testing two different repos?21:50
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CreteilI have already pushed packages to for auto-builder (before migration), I see since migration new packages are build successfully, mine are not even processed, and if I try to push another time to auto-builder I have a message saying :21:50
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CreteilUpload package to host fremantle-extras-builder21:50
CreteilAlready uploaded to drop.maemo.org21:50
CreteilDoing nothing for movgrab_1.1.15-1maemo0_armel.changes21:50
CreteilAny idea ?21:50
keriofreemangordon: i know, but you do that with the "distribution" field, or whatever it's called21:50
WulfeNokia Catalog will be no more after move or will it also have a dns point to a new maemo repo?21:51
kerioWulfe: as far as we know, will keep working at least for a while21:51
Wulfeokay, didnt know cuz they went down the same time as repos21:52
keriothey didn't21:52
kerio(i swear)21:52
Wulfeit is reporting down by my application manager21:53
Wulfe504 gateway timeout to be exact21:53
freemangordonWTF is
keriowhat's that supposed to be? :o21:53
keriooh, n810?21:54
* kerio wasn't expecting that21:54
Wulfemaybe i should have stated i was on diablo21:54
freemangordonoh :(21:54
Wulfei am an old school IT user  =p21:54
keriojust get doc to send you one of his billion n900s21:54
freemangordonWulfe: bye yourself n90021:54
freemangordonkerio: hehe21:55
qwazixN810 rocks21:55
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Wulfei will gladly accept a donation lol21:55
tadzikN810 has a nice kickstand :)21:55
Wulfei wont buy one though, they are expensive21:55
freemangordonqwazix: sure. but n900 has GSM :P21:55
Wulfei got my N810WE for $35 ;)21:55
kerioWulfe: try, i guess21:56
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keriobut i don't know if that's only for fremantle21:56
Wulfei dont see nokia keeping us older versions around anymore now that they are dropping everything21:56
freemangordonqwazix: BTW I was able to run EmbedLite mozilla on n900 ;)21:56
kerioWulfe: well, call the nokia helpdesk21:56
Wulfetrue, i should help them earn there pay today lol21:57
freemangordonqwazix: though I wonder if QML is indeed a good idea21:57
Wulfewatch em point me to you guys xD21:57
kerioDocScrutinizer05: what are n810 users supposed to do?21:58
freemangordonqwazix: I guess if we use GTK, we'll beat thumb microb performance wise21:58
DocScrutinizer05dance and cheer21:58
freemangordonfixed it for you :P21:58
qwazixfreemangordon, yeah but I have no idea about gtk21:58
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freemangordonqwazix: or even better - replace microb-engine with that21:59
freemangordonI think that should be relatively easy21:59
qwazixfreemangordon, I'm trying atm to build marxian's components but i'm stuck because QDeclarativeFolderListModel is not found21:59
qwazixdo you know where may that be?21:59
freemangordonNFC, I am not much into JS21:59
DocScrutinizer05Wulfe: we got all old firmwares, we're going to migrate autobuilder for diablo at least21:59
freemangordonerr... QML :P21:59
DocScrutinizer05we got all repos for all maemo versions as backup at least22:00
DocScrutinizer05now please visit HiFo and donate :-DE22:00
qwazixit should be in a qt package somewhere but don't know where22:01
DocScrutinizer05or wait, I toss over my bank account number since I pay for the backup server22:01
freemangordonqwazix: qt-mobility?22:01
Wulfeokay thanks for the info Doc22:01
freemangordon(not sure about the exact package name)22:02
freemangordonqwazix: what has google to say about it?22:02
qwazixjust an example in qt documentation22:02
qwazixbut it's missing some methods22:02
qwazixI installed libqtm-12 in madde but it's still not there22:03
freemangordonwell, wait for TMO be up again and ask marxian :D22:03
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DocScrutinizer05Wulfe: honestly, if you need some older firmware version, query me22:03
freemangordonqwazix: which Qt is that?22:03
DocScrutinizer05Wulfe: but so far I think nokia is providing the downloads still22:03
qwazixqt creator is confused, the installer says 4.7 but the folder inside madde is 4.6.322:03
freemangordonqwazix: forgat about madde, install SB and enable CSSU repos22:04
qwazixI'd prefer to make it run in madde instead of sdk because of faster deployment. Ultra significant when playing with pixels22:04
qwazixbut I think I'll install sb22:04
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freemangordonqwazix: you need Qt 4.7.4 from CSSU22:05
qwazixcan I add fremantle target to the harmattan sdk?22:05
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freemangordonqwazix: hmm, not sure22:05
freemangordonyou'd better use vmware image22:05
qwazixand I suppose I can't install both on the same OS22:05
qwazixsomeone on tmo has done the opposite (harmattan target on fremantle sdk)22:06
freemangordonI guess so, though never tried. I am using vmware22:06
freemangordonthat way you don;t rick messing up your current setup22:06
qwazixI got fremantle sdk on the laptop but that's getting too hot lately...22:07
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freemangordonqwazix: honestly, I don;t think it make sense to target anything else but cssu-thumb22:09
qwazixI agree22:09
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freemangordonso you have to use SB22:09
qwazixbad thing is that I have no idea how to set up cssu thumb target on sb22:10
Palibrkn, recheck repos from:
PaliI updated some parts22:10
freemangordonqwazix: come on :P22:11
qwazixfreemangordon, thanks22:11
freemangordonqwazix: though you'll need some SDK repo mirror to use ;)22:12
qwazixI tried building the qt components under harmattan in sb (qt version same as cssu) and it still stops at qdeclarativefolderlistmodel.h22:13
qwazixnot that it means anything22:13
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freemangordonqwazix: I guess marxian has forgotten some stuff22:14
qwazixthat must be it, but it calls a setRootFolder method on it which doesn't seem to be there in the file you linked22:15
Sc0rpiusstill no repos?22:15
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freemangordonNFC, marxian could've changed that. in his SB22:16
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qwazixyeah, I think I should just wait for tmo22:17
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DocScrutinizer05qwazix: what about tomorrow's meeting?22:35
keriohey DocScrutinizer0522:35
keriohappy new year22:36
DocScrutinizer05I wish happy new year to my dentist today, but it been first time I've seen her this year22:37
qwazixDocScrutinizer05, what about it?22:37
qwazixfreemangordon, I built it :)22:37
DocScrutinizer05who'll be there, any topics yet?22:37
kerio<DocScrutinizer06> there is no such thing like "too late" [2013-01-01 14:53]22:38
qwazixI still miss that file though, just commented out calls to non-existing methods22:38
DocScrutinizer05<DocScrutinizer05> I wish happy new year to my dentist today, but it been first time I've seen her this year22:38
DocScrutinizer05kerio: go troll somebody else >:-(22:38
qwazixDocScrutinizer05, I'll be there, don't know about anybody else22:38
kerio[ ] trolled  [ ] not trolled  [x] knights of the trolled republic22:39
qwazixI'll bring up that ovi account thing and how to pressure the board to do something with it22:39
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kerioi should've probably waited a couple of months, actually22:41
qwazix*Can't think of any other subject now22:41
DocScrutinizer05another topic: now that wiki is basically working again, after 2+ months, there are some pages to finally update (me lurks at those with "council" in URL)22:41
qwazixHm, yep that's a matter to discuss too22:41
DocScrutinizer05introduction of khm, wirr, marcdeop, xes, jyrjyr22:44
qwazixlet me write those things down because my buffer holds only 3 of them at each time22:44
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DocScrutinizer05sketch a time schedule for further migration22:45
kerioDocScrutinizer05: btw, i asked you earlier if you have the i2c version of the battery calibration script22:46
qwazixI'm sure I had something else but I can't remember it now22:46
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Palikerio, and what should calibration script do?22:53
kerioPali: wait until vdq, then keep kicking bq24k to disable the charging until edv1 is reached22:54
kerioat that point, enable the charging again22:54
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Palikerio, so write it22:54
Paliit is easy22:54
kerioi've already written it22:54
kerioi also written over it, now that i'm using bq2415x_charger22:55
PaliInternal Server Error22:56
PaliThe server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.22:56
keriomeh, fpaste22:56
Palifpaste not working :-(22:56
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kerioto properly use it, before going to sleep, enter offline mode, enable max brightness and disable the autolocking22:58
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keriolaunch the script22:58
kerioand connect the charger22:58
Sc0rpiusETA for TMO r/w?22:58
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kerioPali: btw, now you know why i asked you to add a flags/ directory with each of those flags in a separate file :)23:00
kerio(why are voltage and current in microunits, btw? raw data from the chip?)23:01
Palilinux kernel api23:01
PaliAPI tells that kernel must report that in micro values to userspace23:01
kerioi see23:02
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PaliHAL expect also micro23:02
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DocScrutinizer05Sc0rpius: when Nokia switches DNS!!!23:03
DocScrutinizer05you asked the third time now, iirc23:04
xesDocScrutinizer05: the old vms are still up?23:05
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, now TMO is only CNAME, why not to add another CNAME on ITT?23:05
DocScrutinizer05Pali: because of Reggie wanting to keep *his* ITT23:07
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DocScrutinizer05xes: yes, that's the r/o you see right now23:08
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DocScrutinizer05except it's not a vm23:08
kerioDocScrutinizer05: why aren't we keeping tmo on *his* ITT?23:09
Sc0rpiusso you say *still* points to the *old* server?23:09
xesWhy not apply an iptables dnat until dns switch?23:09
DocScrutinizer05Sc0rpius: YES23:09
grummundhi o/23:09
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DocScrutinizer05xes: wut?23:10
Sc0rpiusI guess and repositores have the same issue23:10
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DocScrutinizer05Sc0rpius: would yoiu pretty please see and *follow* /topic?23:11
Sc0rpiusxes that wouldn't work because new servers are totally in other world23:11
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grummundis it possible to disable the nokia tune at startup ?23:11
DocScrutinizer05grummund: yes, see23:12
infobotjrtools is probably
Sc0rpiuswell the topic points me to a thread that haven't been updated in 12 hours23:12
Sc0rpiusand I demand hourly updates!!!23:12
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DocScrutinizer05Sc0rpius: dafaq, this thread points you to a chanlog23:12
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grummundDocScrutinizer05: thank you23:13
DocScrutinizer05and your hourly update might become a hourly kick23:13
DocScrutinizer05Sc0rpius: do you think I'm doing all this 20h a aday because I'm bored?23:13
kerioDocScrutinizer05: weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell...23:14
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grummundanother question... can the xterminal be made to beep?23:15
kerioi don't think osso-xterm supports audible bells23:15
Sc0rpiusyou can relax, if Nokia doesn't update the DNS entries there's nothing to do23:16
Sc0rpiusand who's paying the new servers anyway23:16
Sc0rpiusor the new "hosting"23:16
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xesSc0rpius: ..anyway...also if in another world, one dnat and a tunnel and you can redirect any service23:21
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, or we make microsoft publish a p2p version of tmo on their next patchday23:22
DocScrutinizer05please first get your goals sorted before diving head first into technical bizarre solutions23:25
DocScrutinizer05old server will go out of business in 3 days23:25
dimir_So, sorry, I cba to scroll up too much, any news on
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DocScrutinizer05yes, it's hosted on mars now23:26
DocScrutinizer05we still have problems with the fibreoptics to there23:26
dimiroh darn23:27
xesWow.. who pay the band? Santa Claus? :)23:27
DocScrutinizer05could you pretty please read and *follow* /topic?23:28
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Wulfedimir: waiting for nokia to update there zone-files on nameserver23:29
Wulfecant do anything till then23:29
DocScrutinizer05>>[[update-ps]] the is waiting for DNS change to point to vserver. Eero decided to implement this migration detail in this way, so we wait for Nokia to edit the zone-files on nameserver.<< FFS!!23:29
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dimirWulfe: ah, no problem.23:29
Wulfeprobably be a couple days knowing Nokia =p23:30
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dimirBut is there an IP? :-D23:30
Wulfethey lost all love for us maemo users23:30
dimirNo wonder.23:30
Wulfei blame the Lumina23:30
dimirDocScrutinizer05: thanks ;)23:31
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grummundwhat's a TMO?23:33
DocScrutinizer05look at /topic and gues23:33
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grummundsorry but following that thread it sounded like some technical wizardry23:36
grummundlike DNS and zones and stuff23:36
Wulfeall of maemo is technical wizardry23:36
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grummundsure is! :p23:37
DocScrutinizer05dimir: basically the would be a IP, see the link to, but I think is not functional yet23:37
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Wulfemainly as it is the only linux distro that is completely community maintained afaik23:37
Wulfeyeah i still get no responce from stage at this time so i dont think it is established yet23:38
dimirDocScrutinizer05: the problem is that is 404 now. :-D23:38
xesTo follow /topic.. i think that at least we should thank everyone is dedicating all the day to this migration..23:38
WulfeI am just going to wait it out a couple days and try updating my repos again.23:38
DocScrutinizer05nfc why Eero decided to move from to with the service23:39
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dimirDocScrutinizer05: ah, sorry, it's html now :-D23:40
DocScrutinizer05for those who can't hold it back anymore23:40
DocScrutinizer05yes, since I removed the other file since basically it's already obsolete23:41
dimirI see.23:41
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DocScrutinizer0590% of DNS are correct now23:41
DocScrutinizer05for the rest a patch of etc/hosts doesn't help yet23:42
Wulfenow when we officialy move from "repository" to "stage" will we have to edit the repos to reflect that as "repository" will no longer be in use or will "repository" point to "stage" IP?23:42
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Wulfecuz if it is i should just edit everything to say now to save time.23:43
DocScrutinizer05the latter23:43
Wulfesaves me a bunch of editing then ;D23:43
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Wulfewell thanks Doc, big help as always. BBL gonna go catch up on some WWE.23:46
Ultima_FanHello, I'm a newbie and I picked the worst time to flash my n900. Do we need to update repository URLs? b/c I'm getting a very limited list of apps and only a few catalogues are working.23:47
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grummundanother dumb question... is the little side button the only way to initiate a shutdown or is there a way to do that on-screen?23:48
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Ultima_FanI keep looking around on the talk forum and not finding any real answers... or at least no newbie answers!23:49
Ultima_Fangrummund: n900 or n9?23:51
michaaa62Ultima_Fan, you could use QBW, QueenBeaconWidget, to configure this desktop icon23:51
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Ultima_Fanthere's a small power button on the top center of the device for power on/power off23:52
michaaa62grummund,  you could use QBW, QueenBeaconWidget, to configure this desktop icon23:52
michaaa62<Ultima_Fan> grummund: n900 or n9?23:52
michaaa62sorry again :(23:52
Ultima_FanI'm new to the n900 but have used the n800 for a number of years23:53
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grummundUltima_Fan: yep but i was wondering if that's the only way23:53
Wulferepositories are waiting for DNS updates23:54
Wulfefollow that thread for upcoming info23:54
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dimirDocScrutinizer05: wow, thanks a lot! :-D23:56
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keriogrummund: dsmetool -p23:57
kerioif you have the latest version23:57
Ultima_FanOk, so we're just waiting for everything to iron out, then23:57
Ultima_FanI guess it will work fine as a phone until then?23:58
keriosure, why not23:58
kerioand yes, you picked the wrong time to reflash :)23:58
Ultima_Fanheh heh23:59
keriowell, you could configure the mirrors23:59
keriothe only thing i couldn't find a mirror of is the sdk tools repo23:59
keriobut only because i don't care enough23:59
keriobrkn has mirrors, merlin1991 has mirrors23:59
Ultima_FanBut once everything works out, the same repository urls should work?23:59

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