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| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: right today we could use somebody controlling the DNS changes that happened ~24h ago, and confirm if all are correct | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I did several times, and I think some are not correct yet | 00:02 |
| xes | I'm sorry but i would undersand the situation .. starting at half migration requires some information about before and after....Please be patient for my questions | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however that's not my primary competence | 00:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: a short history: *.maemo.org lived on ~16...20 akamai(?) server(-clusters) owned by Nokia, together with maemo-unrelated stuff. Nokia decided to "donate" all maemo stuff to community and ordered Nemein (their hoster/maintenance service) to move stuff to dedicated locations that have no unrelated bits anymore, and then donate that to community | 00:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Nemein came up with a plan how to do that (http://maemo.cloud-7.de/hidden/maemo.orginfrastructureforHildonFoundation.pdf) and since the server irons are not installed yet, they interim moved everything to xen-grid VM | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yesterday Nokia switched the DNS records to point to those new VM | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | parially... :-/ | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | partially... :-/ | 00:08 |
| xes | so all the vm are already working inside a xen host? and ready to be moved anywhere? | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 00:08 |
| xes | :) | 00:09 |
| xes | and where is the problem? | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but we won't get access to those | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since they are maintained by Nemein | 00:09 |
| xes | ..so every application service should be reinstalled and reconfigured again? | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we can't afford those maintained xen-grid VM, so we asked Nemein to move them to the iron(s) once they got installed | 00:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so we can run them in vmware or whatever instances on those irons | 00:11 |
| ShadowJK | what dns names are still not moved? | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: nfc | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik repository.maemo.org has no A record yet | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe meanwhile it has | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | others to be checked | 00:11 |
| xes | "migration" like full vm copy or what? | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd guess yes | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first move the VMs to the iron, then consolidate a bit, then move again to Hetzner dedi servers | 00:13 |
| xes | i suppose they are using xenserver5.. is it correct? | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the iron isn't even ordered yet | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I asked nemein if they could provide the VM images on the iron, so we can start them there, they answered "should be feasible". that's all, and disclaimer "iirc" | 00:14 |
| xes | with Hetzner dedi server you that they will host phisically or in another vm grid? | 00:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | we will get whatever we need and can pay for | 00:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so most probably physical dedicated servers | 00:15 |
| xes | also use the 2 "taxi" irons? | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Hetzner doesn't offer root grid vm afaik | 00:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | we want to get rid of any "own" hardware | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no CoLo please | 00:16 |
| ShadowJK | my script reports repository. still has same A record as yesterday :) | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least that's our take on it right now, but we all Aint No Sysops | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: so does it point to new IP? | 00:18 |
| ShadowJK | What is "new ip"? | 00:19 |
| xes | after the first step you will obtain a bunch of vm and sxp files... Porting all to Hetzener will mean to install all again (if they not provide root access to vm) | 00:19 |
| ShadowJK | ...59.203 still | 00:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD-.etc.hosts | 00:19 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: can't we sell the servers back to nemein, btw? | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: the idea is to run the vm on our own root server | 00:20 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05; yep been that since yesterday afternoon | 00:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I wasn't able to ask them yet | 00:21 |
| xes | ..."our own root server?" ...That we already have? Not the 2 irons? | 00:22 |
| qwazix | No, to get a rented root server from Hetzner and run the VM's on it | 00:22 |
| qwazix | without reinstalling stuff | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: no we don't have that yet | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we might get a few of those 32GB octocore | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~100bucks per month | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~sorry | 00:24 |
| * infobot appologizes profusely to everyone, points at the spammers, and says: "IT'S THEIR FAULT, I DIDN'T WANNA DO IT!!!" | 00:24 | |
| kerio | we understand, infobot | 00:24 |
| kerio | ~botsnack | 00:24 |
| infobot | :), kerio | 00:24 |
| xes | :) | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: do you still feel like helping? :-) Or are you already scared or pissed by the mess? | 00:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: ok, managed LAMP servers are starting at even 99EUR, see http://www.hetzner.de/hosting/produktmatrix/managed-server-produktmatrix, however we need server with root access, and those aren't | 00:30 |
| xes | DocScrutinizer05: ... :) not scared... it is what i do every day, nothing strange, nothing more. Now i need to understand well the situation reading taking some time to read the info you sent me. Then we will talk about what you would expect from me.....mess..yes, a few :) ..but i know that also when i try to describe my xenchilds it seems to a lot of mess from an external eye | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what we expect from you? simple: HEEEEELP!! ;-D | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | look, we basically all have no f*ng clue about that stuff | 00:32 |
| qwazix | ^^^ yes, that | 00:32 |
| qwazix | so even some guidance is of extreme value | 00:32 |
| xes | ..now i have to disconnect to complete a maintenance | 00:34 |
| xes | if you have some info to read send me an email... | 00:34 |
| qwazix | I'll be going too | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo sysop-wanted is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-15.log.html#t2013-01-15T23:34:52 | 00:35 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: what's your email addr? | 00:35 |
| xes | i send you a pm | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok | 00:36 |
| qwazix | xes mine is same as my nick at gmail | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please to joerg at openmoko org, not to <anything> at maemo org since ML are down | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (of course you can and should CC council at maemo-org) | 00:38 |
| qwazix | which doesn't work atm | 00:38 |
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| xes | done | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: thanks for everything | 00:40 |
| xes | nothing ...until now ;) | 00:40 |
| qwazix | mail received. Got to go. Have a nice night. | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: o/ | 00:41 |
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| xes | bye! | 00:42 |
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| ShadowJK | is ML getting migrated? I noticed yesterday it was hosted at a different place alltogether | 01:09 |
| ShadowJK | or atleast dns pointing that way | 01:09 |
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| r00t|home | i work as a sysadmin... and i'm reading all this maemo.org stuff... | 01:15 |
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| MentalistTraceur | ShadowJK, judging by the fact that the council mailing list fails to deliver, and I believe so does the main mailing list, I'd say yeah, the DNS changed. | 01:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, the list.maemo.org DNS moved to a new VM, and delivering mails often fails due to rDNS not yet set up correctly (state of yesterday) | 01:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | same rDNS issue applies for confirmation email sent from garage's "create new account" | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~tell wirr about sysop-wanted | 01:33 |
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| LinuxCode | DocScrutinizer05, is mamemo.org being moved ? | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 02:27 |
| LinuxCode | old forums as well ? | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tmo? | 02:27 |
| LinuxCode | tmo ? | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which "old forums"? | 02:28 |
| LinuxCode | the maemo ones | 02:28 |
| LinuxCode | will they move to the new "hosting" | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could you be more specific please? | 02:28 |
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| LinuxCode | the old site content | 02:28 |
| LinuxCode | there was a lot of hw to stuff on there | 02:28 |
| LinuxCode | how* | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we got wiki.maemo.org, lists.maemo.org, garage.maemo.org, TALK.maemo.org, ... | 02:29 |
| LinuxCode | k cool | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I don't know of any other "fold forums" than talk.maemo.org | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ==tmo | 02:30 |
| LinuxCode | yeh, that is probably everything so thats good | 02:30 |
| LinuxCode | kk | 02:30 |
| LinuxCode | cool | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tmo is not yet moved | 02:30 |
| * LinuxCode needs to resize his N900, that is why Im asking | 02:30 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's been originally sheduled for tomorrow, but just this minute I asked Reggie resp chem|st to postpone it a day or two, until our current pronlems with new infra got sorted | 02:31 |
| LinuxCode | k | 02:31 |
| LinuxCode | no worries | 02:31 |
| LinuxCode | even if it takes a week | 02:31 |
| LinuxCode | as long as it comes back | 02:31 |
| LinuxCode | ;-} | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LinuxCode: so probbaly right now is a really bad time for doing stuff on N900 that needs access to *.maemo.org | 02:31 |
| LinuxCode | yeah def | 02:32 |
| LinuxCode | that is fine | 02:32 |
| LinuxCode | got my hands full with Fedora atm anyway | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we're busy like hell to bring stuff back to normal operation ASAP | 02:32 |
| LinuxCode | most appreciated all your efforts by the way | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see /topic | 02:32 |
| LinuxCode | ;-} | 02:33 |
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| MentalistTraceur | Does anyone know what stuff typically uses port 43177? My router's been getting UDP packets from a bunch of different IPs and a bunch of different source port addresses, to that port. iptables drops all of them so I'm not too worried, but I couldn't find anything on Google saying what used it, so I figured I'd ask here. | 02:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | MentalistTraceur: http://www.networksorcery.com/enp/protocol/ip/ports00000.htm | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | according to that it's unassigned | 03:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | might have been a p2p thing on former owner of your dhcp IP | 03:14 |
| MentalistTraceur | I know that much. I was hoping someone knew of some well known program.... wait. P2P. I torrented a debian linux iso image recently, then seeded for a while. | 03:15 |
| MentalistTraceur | That might explain it. | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 03:16 |
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| Snafu777 | Are the maemo repos down? | 04:27 |
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| nox- | /topic | 04:29 |
| Snafu777 | ah | 04:30 |
| Snafu777 | damn | 04:30 |
| Snafu777 | wtf | 04:30 |
| Snafu777 | ! | 04:30 |
| Snafu777 | I need a .deb | 04:31 |
| Snafu777 | damnit | 04:31 |
| Snafu777 | curses | 04:31 |
| Snafu777 | Anyone have the most recent sudser .deb available? | 04:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a backup up somewhere. | 04:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1315143&postcount=96 | 04:50 |
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| Snafu777 | would anyone have proper recommendations for running fsck on /dev/mmcblk0p2? | 05:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err | 05:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you could try from BM console | 05:46 |
| robbiethe1st | That's what I'd do | 05:46 |
| robbiethe1st | 0p2 is what, mydocs? | 05:47 |
| robbiethe1st | or optfs? | 05:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otoh it should fsck automatically on boot, when it's not possible to mount r/w | 05:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | home | 05:47 |
| robbiethe1st | Ah, yeah. Run BM and fsck it | 05:47 |
| robbiethe1st | I'll point out that I've managed to get the opt/home fs screwed up sometimes due to crashes, such that fsck can't really fix it and destroys more. | 05:48 |
| Snafu777 | robbie | 05:49 |
| Snafu777 | holy shit | 05:49 |
| Snafu777 | just the dude i was ..dang | 05:49 |
| robbiethe1st | *sigh* | 05:49 |
| Snafu777 | So creating images with yer backup menu... | 05:49 |
| robbiethe1st | Yes? | 05:49 |
| Snafu777 | Sometimes i get jacked up system | 05:49 |
| Snafu777 | trying to figure out how to fsck manually as it suggests | 05:49 |
| Snafu777 | but its already mounted etc | 05:49 |
| Snafu777 | trying different combos with the menu options | 05:49 |
| robbiethe1st | Install Power Kernel | 05:49 |
| Snafu777 | kp51 | 05:49 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, the fsck option should deal with the optfs/rootfs | 05:50 |
| Snafu777 | rocking backup menu 0.65 | 05:50 |
| robbiethe1st | But sometimes it must be messed with manually | 05:50 |
| robbiethe1st | You've got the terminal option there, right? | 05:50 |
| Snafu777 | on the backup menu? | 05:50 |
| Snafu777 | no, no terminal option | 05:50 |
| Snafu777 | i tried the newest version of yer software, but it didnt work | 05:51 |
| robbiethe1st | You have to fully remove the old version -- "apt-get remove --purge backupmenu" | 05:51 |
| robbiethe1st | because some of the application files were considered 'config' files for some reason, so they got left | 05:51 |
| Snafu777 | i did it with vanilla pr 1.3 | 05:51 |
| robbiethe1st | Huh, that's weird then. What error? | 05:52 |
| Snafu777 | I cant remember exactly the error...... Since i have issues right now, i can go ahread and reflash | 05:52 |
| Snafu777 | the issue being maemo repos are down | 05:52 |
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| Snafu777 | so i couldnt grab the new version even if i wanted | 05:52 |
| Snafu777 | I figured the errors had to be caused by using such an old version, and that bugs had been worked out since then | 05:53 |
| robbiethe1st | I forget, does 0.65 create image files, or .tar.gz files? | 05:53 |
| Snafu777 | 0.65 has been pretty much standard issue for me | 05:53 |
| Snafu777 | .tar | 05:53 |
| Snafu777 | its got several options, i always use the .tar one | 05:53 |
| robbiethe1st | OK, that's a Version 2 version | 05:53 |
| Snafu777 | but when restoring the image, it gives fsck errors | 05:53 |
| Snafu777 | a lot | 05:53 |
| robbiethe1st | Hm, in that case we've got to somehow wipe the disk | 05:54 |
| Snafu777 | i can bypass by simply reflashing, reinstalling backup menu, and then reflashing my saved image | 05:54 |
| robbiethe1st | Do you have anything on mydocs that you want to keep? | 05:54 |
| robbiethe1st | You should really reflash the eMMC as well - thats where the home partition is locates | 05:54 |
| Snafu777 | i always do | 05:55 |
| robbiethe1st | Hm | 05:55 |
| Snafu777 | I flash emmc and the other. | 05:55 |
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| Snafu777 | hmm | 05:55 |
| Snafu777 | tell u what robbie | 05:55 |
| robbiethe1st | Yes? | 05:55 |
| robbiethe1st | Actually, let me see | 05:56 |
| Snafu777 | let me see if i can figure the fsck issue out, do u have a mirror of backup menu and the associated required debs handy? One that u trust? | 05:56 |
| robbiethe1st | I'm looking for it | 05:56 |
| Snafu777 | k | 05:56 |
| robbiethe1st | I've got a copy of my own package on my site... somwhere | 05:56 |
| robbiethe1st | @DocScrutinizer05, do we have a repo up at all? | 05:57 |
| Snafu777 | Depends: bootmenu, tar-gnu, i2c-tools, mtd-utils | 05:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1315143&postcount=96 | 05:58 |
| robbiethe1st | http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/ I've got two things here - Version 1.1.1(possibly a couple versions old) | 05:58 |
| Snafu777 | u trust that one DocScrutinizer05 ? | 05:58 |
| Snafu777 | i saw u post it | 05:58 |
| Snafu777 | etc.. | 05:58 |
| Snafu777 | just wasnt sure how trust worthy the mirror was | 05:58 |
| robbiethe1st | and a flashable rootfs image, with BM installed http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/flashable_rootfs_v0.56-1-20101109.img | 05:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol, "I made it" | 05:58 |
| Snafu777 | Ah | 05:58 |
| Snafu777 | Well | 05:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so yes, 100% | 05:59 |
| Snafu777 | Okay, good to go =) | 05:59 |
| Snafu777 | Pretty careful with what i put on my n900 =) | 05:59 |
| robbiethe1st | I'd be too | 06:00 |
| Ethernin | robbiethe1st, hey man, first time in here, and I'd just like to say THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BACKUPMENU!!! | 06:00 |
| robbiethe1st | I'm just glad it helps. | 06:01 |
| Snafu777 | Damn helpful | 06:01 |
| Ethernin | robbiethe1st, DUDE - SO MUCH | 06:01 |
| Snafu777 | Never have to recreate | 06:01 |
| Snafu777 | only reflash | 06:01 |
| Ethernin | seriously | 06:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | good boy :-P | 06:02 |
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| robbiethe1st | At the time, I ran into the same thing. I put a lot of others' work together and made something useful. The only thing I can really say is, when faced with a problem like this on other platforms and such... Fix it! Do it yourself, help someone who can if you can't. | 06:03 |
| robbiethe1st | I | 06:03 |
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| robbiethe1st | I'm absolutely amazed how something as simple as a bash script ended up making the N900 so much easier to hack on | 06:03 |
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| Ethernin | robbiethe1st, yeah man, totally agreed! | 06:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ fail2ban kicked me from my own server ;-P | 06:16 |
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| MentalistTraceur | DocScrutinizer05, you typo'd your password too much? | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, fail2ban acts on other levels too | 06:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 404 for example | 06:18 |
| MentalistTraceur | Gotcha. | 06:18 |
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| ShadowJK | the hell, maemo.org responded to traceroute | 07:13 |
| ShadowJK | 14 * 188.117.59.200 [open] 2285.535 ms -14.377 ms | 07:13 |
| ShadowJK | I see my quantum fiberoptic internet is working nicely | 07:13 |
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| ShadowJK | I got more than one pong with negative latency... the fuck is that fw doing :-) | 07:19 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 feels a strange urge to kick that FW completely out | 07:20 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually a firewall is a rather strange concept anyway | 07:21 |
| ShadowJK | "maemo.org service break on Sunday (2010-10-03)" | 07:26 |
| ShadowJK | was the backup a bit old.. | 07:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 07:32 |
| ShadowJK | got that on maemo.org just now :) | 07:33 |
| ShadowJK | maybe it gets hidden if static.maemo.org was alive | 07:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh lol | 07:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | fun bit, I removed the trailing / from my URLs and wiki, m.o, and garage loaded immediately. Before I hit F5 like 50 times and always "timeout on port" | 07:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err socket operation | 07:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed without static everything looks rather strange, or even useless | 07:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | been CSSU banner ad there in 2010? | 07:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly wiki looks like.... xxx | 07:43 |
| WizardNumberNext | hello everybody | 07:44 |
| WizardNumberNext | I run Linux Kernel 3.6.11-rt25 on both server and desktop. On Server I do not see any bigger difference, but for desktop I would dicourage anybody to use it unless that person would have good reason to do so. I am thinking about trying it out on N900 and see how it does behave. | 07:46 |
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| Sicelo | WizardNumberNext: with a lot of hacking, a few individuals have got maemo boot with a 3.x kernel. You are more likely to have far better success with it if you boot other OSes | 07:49 |
| WizardNumberNext | Sicelo, Pali have booted 3.8-rc3 (rescue-OS) and I do have both patches and kernel+initrd from him. I just need to wait till 3.8 would be released, as it is next RT target. | 07:51 |
| Sicelo | yes, i know :P | 07:52 |
| WizardNumberNext | and obviously I have to create initrd for 3.8 tuned to 3.8 | 07:52 |
| WizardNumberNext | s/to 3.8/to maemo/ | 07:53 |
| infobot | WizardNumberNext meant: and obviously I have to create initrd for 3.8 tuned to maemo | 07:53 |
| WizardNumberNext | and if it comes to Pali's kernel, only he knows if it was hacking or clean programming | 07:54 |
| Sicelo | hacking ;-) | 07:55 |
| Sicelo | mixing patches from meego + some of his own | 07:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I fail to get the point of such experiments, tbh - particularly if rt25 means what it suggests to me | 07:56 |
| ShadowJK | We probably don't have anything with realtime priority in maemo | 07:57 |
| ShadowJK | these -rt things that reappear regulary generally drop overall performance | 07:58 |
| * Sicelo doesn't even know what it means, lol | 07:58 | |
| ShadowJK | Actually the infrared stuff might be closest to realtime lol | 07:59 |
| Sicelo | WizardNumberNext: with that said, Pali is doing a great job, imo, especially that he's also pushing stuff upstream | 08:00 |
| WizardNumberNext | ShadowJK: it is tradeof - either longer latencies and higher performance without preemption or latency and drop in performance and shorter latencies with preemption | 08:03 |
| WizardNumberNext | Sicelo: I do agree, he is doing great job | 08:03 |
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| WizardNumberNext | actually first thing, which was hit by RT was pulseaudio - it doesn't work properly with priority of 9 or bigger (nice -11), bur seams to work flawlesly with priority 0 (nice -20) | 08:05 |
| WizardNumberNext | I am looking how to switch pulseaudio to RT priority (but not too big though) | 08:06 |
| ShadowJK | there isn't supposed to be any preemption of things running at RT priorities, btw :p | 08:07 |
| WizardNumberNext | ShadowJK: pulseaudio have to be preemtible, as it uses so many libraries and stuff. In my case non-preemtible pulseaudio would have problem to make my desktop sound, as I I run jackd2 between pa and actuall sound card | 08:09 |
| ShadowJK | It's probably not designed to run realtime if it would hang as non-preemptible | 08:10 |
| ShadowJK | You'd think pa would be fully eventdriven.. | 08:12 |
| ShadowJK | As for making mp3 playback stop skipping, if someone could make mafw use a 5 second input file buffer... :) | 08:13 |
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| ShadowJK | and at the "realtime" IO priority | 08:14 |
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| ShadowJK | and also fadvise() sequential for mp3/aac :) | 08:17 |
| WizardNumberNext | ShadowJK: preempt-RT is simply more preemtible kernel, then full preempt-desktop | 08:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | btw I just have to repeat myself: realtime doesn't mean "fast", it just guarantees that response time to events is not exceeding an arbitrary upper limit | 08:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even to just a set of clearly defined events | 08:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and that response time upper limit could be like 60 seconds and the system still would meet realtime specs if those 60 are guaranteed | 08:26 |
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| WizardNumberNext | DocScrutinizer05: I know about that | 08:43 |
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| Gear | hi. what are the main working repositories? | 09:14 |
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| fasta | DId the latest community update fix the recent Turkish SSL problem? | 11:02 |
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| kerio | fasta: yep | 11:13 |
| kerio | the two intermediate CAs that were released by mistake are blacklisted | 11:13 |
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| fasta | Does a community update update the firmware? | 11:14 |
| kerio | firmware? | 11:15 |
| chem|st | fasta: not yet | 11:15 |
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| RST38h | moo, ab | 11:45 |
| ab | RST38h: boo | 11:45 |
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| Ex-Opesa | I am getting the same issue as S.Korean "hash mismatch" by using temporary mirror of repos from skeiron.org http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=88031&page=10 | 13:04 |
| Ex-Opesa | Seems like user Azril also got the same problem | 13:04 |
| Ex-Opesa | Is there a solution? | 13:06 |
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| * jonwil has decided to ignore the migration hassles and various assorted crap and do something useful by reverse engineering various things connected to GPRS | 13:10 | |
| vi____ | go go jonwil" | 13:11 |
| vi____ | ! | 13:11 |
| jonwil | maybe I can figure out connui-iapsettings-gprs or libicd-network-gprs | 13:12 |
| jonwil | I know there are people that need support for multiple GPRS APs and easy siwtch between them | 13:12 |
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| jonwil | first though I need food :) | 13:14 |
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| kerio | Ex-Opesa: the nokia repositories still work, and merlin's mirrors of extras-devel and community-testing work for me | 13:36 |
| kerio | so i'm going to mark your problem as "bad repo" or "bad client" | 13:37 |
| kerio | because | 13:37 |
| kerio | ~fapman | 13:37 |
| infobot | i heard fapman is Faster Application Manager, a bad package manager that causes problems, don't use it, ever | 13:37 |
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| Lava_Croft | fapman is as dangerous as the person using it:) | 13:45 |
| Lava_Croft | kind of like rm | 13:45 |
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| thedead1440 | ~fapman | 15:22 |
| infobot | fapman is probably Faster Application Manager, a bad package manager that causes problems, don't use it, ever | 15:22 |
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| muellisoft | (/.-) fapman... | 15:53 |
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| sidh | Greetings | 16:34 |
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| sidh | I can nslookup repository.maemo.org, but apt-get update can't connect to it, do we have to wait again ? | 16:43 |
| Ex-Opesa | sidh: People are working on it as far as I am aware. Kindly be patient. | 16:43 |
| sidh | (I have read thread 1314588 from talk.maemo.org) | 16:43 |
| sidh | ok it was just to know if the problrm could come from my side | 16:44 |
| sidh | no problem, i will try tommorrow | 16:44 |
| kerio | repository. was taken down for a while to try to diagnose the problem | 16:44 |
| sidh | ok I understand | 16:45 |
| Pali | sidh, maemo using dnsmasq with cache | 16:53 |
| Pali | maybe you need also to restart dnsmasq | 16:53 |
| Pali | to drop/reload cache | 16:53 |
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| lunde | can anyone help me in making kpv51r1 uboot entry | 17:02 |
| kerio | lunde: apt-get install kernel-power-bootimg | 17:03 |
| lunde | hehe AFAIK but this method doesn't work on thumb field :P | 17:04 |
| kerio | just keep kernel-power-flasher installed | 17:05 |
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| kerio | with fiasco-image-update-ask, you get a prompt on every flash, so you can avoid flashing over your uboot | 17:05 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer05, ping | 17:10 |
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| kerio | lunde: by kpv51r1 i guess you mean kernel-power, kernel-power-modules and kernel-power-flasher? | 17:21 |
| lunde | right | 17:22 |
| kerio | why do you want to install uboot? | 17:22 |
| lunde | wanna install nitdroid | 17:22 |
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| kerio | lunde: install u-boot-flasher and kernel-power-bootimg | 17:26 |
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| kerio | without uninstalling anything | 17:26 |
| kerio | but you'll be in a flaky situation | 17:26 |
| kerio | once you've installed kernel-power-bootimg, do ln -s /etc/bootmenu.d/20-<tab /etc/default/bootmenu.item | 17:30 |
| kerio | and then rerun u-boot-update-bootmenu | 17:30 |
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| lunde | ok will report back | 17:34 |
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| kerio | ...why am i doing this | 17:36 |
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| lunde | sorry didn't understand what you mean | 17:39 |
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| dimir | The http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU is down, hence asking here, how to enable (add catalogue, which are the entries?) CSSU in my n900? | 18:02 |
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| kerio | dimir: repository.maemo.org is down at the moment | 18:25 |
| kerio | (it's a temporary thing) | 18:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: pong | 20:05 |
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| thedead1440 | the skeiron.org mirror is working with hash sum mismatch error resolved finally FYI... | 20:53 |
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| thedead1440 | as before links to be gotten from: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1315143&postcount=96 | 20:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and - on a sidenote - *.maemo.org central services is mostly in business again | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least for the non-repository stuff like | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flash | 20:55 |
| infobot | maemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 20:55 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: it has no css formatting right? | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CSS from static.maemo.org still missing, so anticipate some fsckup in rendering/formatting | 20:56 |
| thedead1440 | ok | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: ping | 20:57 |
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| chem|st | pong | 21:02 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: pong | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're in contact with Reggie? | 21:04 |
| chem|st | semi | 21:04 |
| chem|st | tried to get me at 3.5am... | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're checking state of tmo DNS every 15min? ;-P | 21:05 |
| chem|st | nope | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, just sent a answer mail (hope you been in CC) | 21:06 |
| chem|st | yes been! | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | green light for tmo move | 21:06 |
| chem|st | as tmo wasn't affected by bandwidth issues there was never a red one | 21:06 |
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| chem|st | ;) | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah, you never know | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | such a firewall can do funny things | 21:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and since the vservers are a xen-grid now, you never know on which rack a particular VM just sits - aiui. Ask wirr or | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~sysop-wanted | 21:10 |
| infobot | i heard sysop-wanted is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-01-15.log.html#t2013-01-15T23:34:52 | 21:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | actully I'm not sure if xen-grid does dynamic move of VM like vmware-sgx or what's it called | 21:11 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it's a xen-grid, it shouldn't matter which rack a particular VM sits on :) | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: for chem|st's assumption that there been no bandwidth issues to new tmo VM it been the one and only argument | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while my assumption been that traffic shaper didn't throttle the really sparse traffic to new-tmo since... it's so sparse | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | by switching DNs this would've changed instantly | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DNS* | 21:20 |
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| Pali | I created git repo for upstream kernel with n900/maemo patches on gitorious: https://gitorious.org/linux-n900/linux-n900 | 22:15 |
| Pali | Skry, freemangordon ^^^^ | 22:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: ping | 22:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jacekowski: what is fremantle 1.2 1.3 etc - like here http://maemo.jacekowski.org/mirror/repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/dists/ [/parrot-mode] | 22:25 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: ssu for pr1.2/1.3? | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *thought* as much | 22:27 |
| kerio | i'm not sure who's supposed to use the 1.3 one instead of the generic one, though | 22:29 |
| kerio | i think that pr 1.3 starts with the generic one | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | brkn: md5sum `find`|sort|tee raw-all.md5sum|awk foo|uniq -D|xarg grep errr-TBD | 22:32 |
| kerio | wat | 22:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: find duplicate files and print | 22:33 |
| brkn | repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/dists has fremantle, fremantle 1.2 + fremantle 1.3, however pool is fremantle only | 22:33 |
| brkn | which is weird. | 22:33 |
| kerio | isn't pool just pool? | 22:33 |
| kerio | it holds multiple versions | 22:34 |
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| brkn | let's see | 22:35 |
| brkn | i still wonder whereh 1.2 and 1.3 comes from cause i mirrored everything according to wiki. | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which friggin confrence in Buenos Aires will invite me for two weeks now? | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | incl flight and accommodation, please | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2 weeks! | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 22:37 |
| kerio | why not bora bora instead? | 22:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't actually care as long as it's between 0°and 35°S lat | 22:38 |
| qwazix | factory sealed N900 for sale on tmo http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315560#post1315560 | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | DANG! US | 22:40 |
| Gh0sty | indeed dang :( | 22:41 |
| Gh0sty | my led controller thing has completly died I think | 22:41 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: were you thinking of buying *another* n900? | 22:41 |
| Gh0sty | too bad, looking for a new phone but no idea what :/ | 22:41 |
| Gh0sty | nothing can compare to an n900 :/ | 22:42 |
| kerio | Gh0sty: a n900, obviously | 22:42 |
| qwazix | My N900 just developed a white spot on screen again and I'm tempted, but... no money | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah nothing can replace N900 - excapt another N900 | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | white spots are from overly mechanic pressure | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ruining the LCD separator, I guess | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or the light spreader | 22:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (unlikely) | 22:44 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you could still ask the dude if he's willing to ship to euroep | 22:45 |
| kerio | *europe | 22:45 |
| kerio | but really, do you need yet another n900? | 22:45 |
| qwazix | yeah, my screenprotector has a scratch just where the new white spot is | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: nah, this guy is so cool, I am not jaleous to the US community | 22:45 |
| Gh0sty | no i wont buy another n900 | 22:45 |
| qwazix | but I swear I didn't hit it anywhere... | 22:46 |
| qwazix | my old one was full of those | 22:46 |
| Gh0sty | specifically also because i wont give any money to nokia anymore :( | 22:46 |
| Gh0sty | they fucked it all up! | 22:46 |
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| kerio | Gh0sty: buying a n900 = buying a used n900 | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Gh0sty: you won't give money to nokie | 22:46 |
| qwazix | and again the only abuse I did, was using fingernails on the keyboard, ruining the paint | 22:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | common | 22:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 searching for a few new keymats, qwerty | 22:47 | |
| qwazix | anyway that one was stolen so nothing to worry... | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw no I remember: it's the tin-oxide structuring that gets ruined by pressure | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | causing the white spots | 22:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the transparent electrodes have a mechanical surface structure (micro scars in one direction, for molecules of LC to orient on that) | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | excessive pressure making electrodes touch each other will ruin that structure | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my scarface device has like 9 of those white spots | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-S | 22:50 |
| Gh0sty | scarface device? | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I gave them names | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | scarface been 3rd, bought used | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are also Iron900, T900, blue, and gift | 22:53 |
| Gh0sty | i guess its not too easy to replace a whole screen unit? :) | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's extremely easy to relace a whole screen unit | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | once you got a replacement | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 4 screws and one b2b-connector aka plug | 22:54 |
| Gh0sty | nobody has a white spot unit for sale with working led controller? :p | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | defects on LP5523? :-o | 22:55 |
| dafox | you forget that if you buy an n900, used, you're given that other person money, who may then well give it to nokia though (indirect sponsoring ;) | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, or my butcher does that with the money I pay for may steak | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/may/pay/ | 22:56 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: yeah, or my butcher does that with the money I pay for pay steak | 22:56 |
| dafox | damn that man! No more steak! :p | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/may/my/ | 22:56 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: yeah, or my butcher does that with the money I pay for my steak | 22:56 |
| qwazix | Is there a documented corellation of butchers and Nokia? | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | look at all those butchered N900 ;-P | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to butcher the LP5523 LED controller though, I wouldn't know what to do to achieve that | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Gh0sty: your kbd backlight also defect? | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (I know you theoretically could kill the SoC with LP5523) | 23:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (but not the other way round) | 23:01 |
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| jyrjyr | Good evening / day / night / whatever everyone =) | 23:33 |
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| tadzik | good UGT :) | 23:36 |
| jyrjyr | =) | 23:37 |
| tadzik | jyrjyr: http://thinkmoult.com/ugt.html | 23:37 |
| jyrjyr | ah =D | 23:37 |
| tadzik | may come in handy :) | 23:37 |
| jyrjyr | very nice, had no idea that problem had been solved =D | 23:38 |
| jyrjyr | yes, thank you very much =D | 23:38 |
| tadzik | you're welcome :) | 23:39 |
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| dimir | OK, wiki.maemo.org up, repository.maemo.org still down. | 23:45 |
| dimir | Any estimates when it'll be up? | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | welcome jyrjyr, one more sysop volunteer for maemo.org! | 23:49 |
| jyrjyr | thanks, nice to be here =) | 23:50 |
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