IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2013-01-16

DocScrutinizer05and similar files00:00
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DocScrutinizer05xes: right today we could use somebody controlling the DNS changes that happened ~24h ago, and confirm if all are correct00:02
DocScrutinizer05I did several times, and I think some are not correct yet00:02
xesI'm sorry but i would undersand the situation .. starting at half migration requires some information about before and after....Please be patient for my questions00:02
DocScrutinizer05however that's not my primary competence00:02
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DocScrutinizer05xes: a short history: * lived on ~16...20 akamai(?) server(-clusters) owned by Nokia, together with maemo-unrelated stuff. Nokia decided to "donate" all maemo stuff to community and ordered Nemein (their hoster/maintenance service) to move stuff to dedicated locations that have no unrelated bits anymore, and then donate that to community00:06
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DocScrutinizer05Nemein came up with a plan how to do that ( and since the server irons are not installed yet, they interim moved everything to xen-grid VM00:07
DocScrutinizer05yesterday Nokia switched the DNS records to point to those new VM00:08
DocScrutinizer05parially... :-/00:08
DocScrutinizer05partially... :-/00:08
xesso all the vm are already working inside a xen host? and ready to be moved anywhere?00:08
xesand where is the problem?00:09
DocScrutinizer05but we won't get access to those00:09
DocScrutinizer05since they are maintained by Nemein00:09 every application service should be reinstalled and reconfigured again?00:10
DocScrutinizer05we can't afford those maintained xen-grid VM, so we asked Nemein to move them to the iron(s) once they got installed00:10
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DocScrutinizer05so we can run them in vmware or whatever instances on those irons00:11
ShadowJKwhat dns names are still not moved?00:11
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: nfc00:11
DocScrutinizer05afaik has no A record yet00:11
DocScrutinizer05or maybe meanwhile it has00:11
DocScrutinizer05others to be checked00:11
xes "migration" like full vm copy or what?00:12
DocScrutinizer05I'd guess yes00:12
DocScrutinizer05first move the VMs to the iron, then consolidate a bit, then move again to Hetzner dedi servers00:13
xesi suppose they are using xenserver5.. is it correct?00:13
DocScrutinizer05the iron isn't even ordered yet00:13
DocScrutinizer05I asked nemein if they could provide the VM images on the iron, so we can start them there, they answered "should be feasible". that's all, and disclaimer "iirc"00:14
xeswith Hetzner dedi server you that they will host phisically or in another vm grid?00:14
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DocScrutinizer05we will get whatever we need and can pay for00:15
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DocScrutinizer05so most probably physical dedicated servers00:15
xesalso use the 2 "taxi" irons?00:15
DocScrutinizer05Hetzner doesn't offer root grid vm afaik00:15
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DocScrutinizer05we want to get rid of any "own" hardware00:16
DocScrutinizer05no CoLo please00:16
ShadowJKmy script reports repository. still has same A record as yesterday :)00:17
DocScrutinizer05at least that's our take on it right now, but we all Aint No Sysops00:17
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: so does it point to new IP?00:18
ShadowJKWhat is "new ip"?00:19
xesafter the first step you will obtain a bunch of vm and sxp files... Porting all to Hetzener will mean to install all again (if they not provide root access to vm)00:19
ShadowJK...59.203 still00:19
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: can't we sell the servers back to nemein, btw?00:20
DocScrutinizer05xes: the idea is to run the vm on our own root server00:20
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer05; yep been that since yesterday afternoon00:20
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: I wasn't able to ask them yet00:21
xes..."our own root server?" ...That we already have? Not the 2 irons?00:22
qwazixNo, to get a rented root server from Hetzner and run the VM's on it00:22
qwazixwithout reinstalling stuff00:23
DocScrutinizer05xes: no we don't have that yet00:23
DocScrutinizer05we might get a few of those 32GB octocore00:23
DocScrutinizer05~100bucks per month00:23
* infobot appologizes profusely to everyone, points at the spammers, and says: "IT'S THEIR FAULT, I DIDN'T WANNA DO IT!!!"00:24
keriowe understand, infobot00:24
infobot:), kerio00:24
DocScrutinizer05xes: do you still feel like helping? :-) Or are you already scared or pissed by the mess?00:26
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: ok, managed LAMP servers are starting at even 99EUR, see, however we need server with root access, and those aren't00:30
xesDocScrutinizer05: ... :) not scared... it is what i do every day, nothing strange, nothing more. Now i need to understand well the situation reading taking some time to read the info you sent me. Then we will talk about what you would expect from me.....mess..yes, a few :)  ..but i know that also when i try to describe my xenchilds it seems to a lot of mess from an external eye00:30
DocScrutinizer05what we expect from you? simple: HEEEEELP!! ;-D00:31
DocScrutinizer05look, we basically all have no f*ng clue about that stuff00:32
qwazix^^^ yes, that00:32
qwazixso even some guidance is of extreme value00:32 i have to disconnect to complete a maintenance00:34
xesif you have some info to read send me an email...00:34
qwazixI'll be going too00:35
DocScrutinizer05~#maemo sysop-wanted is
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay00:35
DocScrutinizer05xes: what's your email addr?00:35
xesi send you a pm00:36
qwazixxes mine is same as my nick at gmail00:36
DocScrutinizer05please to joerg at openmoko org, not to <anything> at maemo org since ML are down00:36
DocScrutinizer05(of course you can and should CC council at maemo-org)00:38
qwazixwhich doesn't work atm00:38
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DocScrutinizer05xes: thanks for everything00:40
xesnothing ...until now ;)00:40
qwazixmail received. Got to go. Have a nice night.00:41
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: o/00:41
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ShadowJKis ML getting migrated? I noticed yesterday it was hosted at a different place alltogether01:09
ShadowJKor atleast dns pointing that way01:09
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r00t|homei work as a sysadmin... and i'm reading all this stuff...01:15
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MentalistTraceurShadowJK, judging by the fact that the council mailing list fails to deliver, and I believe so does the main mailing list, I'd say yeah, the DNS changed.01:26
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DocScrutinizer05yep, the DNS moved to a new VM, and delivering mails often fails due to rDNS not yet set up correctly (state of yesterday)01:31
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DocScrutinizer05same rDNS issue applies for confirmation email sent from garage's "create new account"01:32
DocScrutinizer05~tell wirr about sysop-wanted01:33
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LinuxCodeDocScrutinizer05, is being moved ?02:26
LinuxCodeold forums as well ?02:27
LinuxCodetmo ?02:28
DocScrutinizer05which "old forums"?02:28
LinuxCodethe maemo ones02:28
LinuxCodewill they move to the new "hosting"02:28
DocScrutinizer05could you be more specific please?02:28
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LinuxCodethe old site content02:28
LinuxCodethere was a lot of hw to stuff on there02:28
DocScrutinizer05we got,,,, ...02:29
LinuxCodek cool02:29
DocScrutinizer05and I don't know of any other "fold forums" than talk.maemo.org02:29
LinuxCodeyeh, that is probably everything so thats good02:30
DocScrutinizer05tmo is not yet moved02:30
* LinuxCode needs to resize his N900, that is why Im asking02:30
DocScrutinizer05it's been originally sheduled for tomorrow, but just this minute I asked Reggie resp chem|st to postpone it a day or two, until our current pronlems with new infra got sorted02:31
LinuxCodeno worries02:31
LinuxCodeeven if it takes a week02:31
LinuxCodeas long as it comes back02:31
DocScrutinizer05LinuxCode: so probbaly right now is a really bad time for doing stuff on N900 that needs access to *.maemo.org02:31
LinuxCodeyeah def02:32
LinuxCodethat is fine02:32
LinuxCodegot my hands full with Fedora atm anyway02:32
DocScrutinizer05we're busy like hell to bring stuff back to normal operation ASAP02:32
LinuxCodemost appreciated all your efforts by the way02:32
DocScrutinizer05see /topic02:32
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MentalistTraceurDoes anyone know what stuff typically uses port 43177? My router's been getting UDP packets from a bunch of different IPs and a bunch of different source port addresses, to that port. iptables drops all of them so I'm not too worried, but I couldn't find anything on Google saying what used it, so I figured I'd ask here.02:58
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DocScrutinizer05according to that it's unassigned03:13
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DocScrutinizer05might have been a p2p thing on former owner of your dhcp IP03:14
MentalistTraceurI know that much. I was hoping someone knew of some well known program.... wait. P2P. I torrented a debian linux iso image recently, then seeded for a while.03:15
MentalistTraceurThat might explain it.03:15
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Snafu777Are the maemo repos down?04:27
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Snafu777I need a .deb04:31
Snafu777Anyone have the most recent sudser .deb available?04:31
GeneralAntillesThere's a backup up somewhere.04:31
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Snafu777would anyone have proper recommendations for running fsck on /dev/mmcblk0p2?05:40
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DocScrutinizer05you could try from BM console05:46
robbiethe1stThat's what I'd do05:46
robbiethe1st0p2 is what, mydocs?05:47
robbiethe1stor optfs?05:47
DocScrutinizer05otoh it should fsck automatically on boot, when it's not possible to mount r/w05:47
robbiethe1stAh, yeah. Run BM and fsck it05:47
robbiethe1stI'll point out that I've managed to get the opt/home fs screwed up sometimes due to crashes, such that fsck can't really fix it and destroys more.05:48
Snafu777holy shit05:49
Snafu777just the dude i was ..dang05:49
Snafu777So creating images with yer backup menu...05:49
Snafu777Sometimes i get jacked up system05:49
Snafu777trying to figure out how to fsck manually as it suggests05:49
Snafu777but its already mounted etc05:49
Snafu777trying different combos with the menu options05:49
robbiethe1stInstall Power Kernel05:49
robbiethe1stWell, the fsck option should deal with the optfs/rootfs05:50
Snafu777rocking backup menu 0.6505:50
robbiethe1stBut sometimes it must be messed with manually05:50
robbiethe1stYou've got the terminal option there, right?05:50
Snafu777on the backup menu?05:50
Snafu777no, no terminal option05:50
Snafu777i tried the newest version of yer software, but it didnt work05:51
robbiethe1stYou have to fully remove the old version -- "apt-get remove --purge backupmenu"05:51
robbiethe1stbecause some of the application files were considered 'config' files for some reason, so they got left05:51
Snafu777i did it with vanilla pr 1.305:51
robbiethe1stHuh, that's weird then. What error?05:52
Snafu777I cant remember exactly the error......  Since i have issues right now, i can go ahread and reflash05:52
Snafu777the issue being maemo repos are down05:52
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Snafu777so i couldnt grab the new version even if i wanted05:52
Snafu777I figured the errors had to be caused by using such an old version, and that bugs had been worked out since then05:53
robbiethe1stI forget, does 0.65 create image files, or .tar.gz files?05:53
Snafu7770.65 has been pretty much standard issue for me05:53
Snafu777its got several options, i always use the .tar one05:53
robbiethe1stOK, that's a Version 2 version05:53
Snafu777but when restoring the image, it gives fsck errors05:53
Snafu777a lot05:53
robbiethe1stHm, in that case we've got to somehow wipe the disk05:54
Snafu777i can bypass by simply reflashing, reinstalling backup menu, and then reflashing my saved image05:54
robbiethe1stDo you have anything on mydocs that you want to keep?05:54
robbiethe1stYou should really reflash the eMMC as well - thats where the home partition is locates05:54
Snafu777i always do05:55
Snafu777I flash emmc and the other.05:55
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Snafu777tell u what robbie05:55
robbiethe1stActually, let me see05:56
Snafu777let me see if i can figure the fsck issue out, do u have a mirror of backup menu and the associated required debs handy?  One that u trust?05:56
robbiethe1stI'm looking for it05:56
robbiethe1stI've got a copy of my own package on my site... somwhere05:56
robbiethe1st@DocScrutinizer05, do we have a repo up at all?05:57
Snafu777Depends: bootmenu, tar-gnu, i2c-tools, mtd-utils05:57
robbiethe1st I've got two things here - Version 1.1.1(possibly a couple versions old)05:58
Snafu777u trust that one DocScrutinizer05 ?05:58
Snafu777i saw u post it05:58
Snafu777just wasnt sure how trust worthy the mirror was05:58
robbiethe1stand a flashable rootfs image, with BM installed
DocScrutinizer05lol, "I made it"05:58
DocScrutinizer05so yes, 100%05:59
Snafu777Okay, good to go =)05:59
Snafu777Pretty careful with what i put on my n900 =)05:59
robbiethe1stI'd be too06:00
Etherninrobbiethe1st, hey man, first time in here, and I'd just like to say THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BACKUPMENU!!!06:00
robbiethe1stI'm just glad it helps.06:01
Snafu777Damn helpful06:01
Etherninrobbiethe1st, DUDE - SO MUCH06:01
Snafu777Never have to recreate06:01
Snafu777only reflash06:01
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DocScrutinizer05good boy :-P06:02
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robbiethe1stAt the time, I ran into the same thing. I put a lot of others' work together and made something useful. The only thing I can really say is, when faced with a problem like this on other platforms and such... Fix it! Do it yourself, help someone who can if you can't.06:03
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robbiethe1stI'm absolutely amazed how something as simple as a bash script ended up making the N900 so much easier to hack on06:03
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Etherninrobbiethe1st, yeah man, totally agreed!06:04
DocScrutinizer05\o/ fail2ban kicked me from my own server ;-P06:16
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MentalistTraceurDocScrutinizer05, you typo'd your password too much?06:17
DocScrutinizer05nah, fail2ban acts on other levels too06:18
DocScrutinizer05404 for example06:18
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ShadowJKthe hell, responded to traceroute07:13
ShadowJK14  * [open] 2285.535 ms  -14.377 ms07:13
ShadowJKI see my quantum fiberoptic internet is working nicely07:13
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ShadowJKI got more than one pong with negative latency... the fuck is that fw doing :-)07:19
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* DocScrutinizer05 feels a strange urge to kick that FW completely out07:20
DocScrutinizer05actually a firewall is a rather strange concept anyway07:21
ShadowJK" service break on Sunday (2010-10-03)"07:26
ShadowJKwas the backup a bit old..07:26
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ShadowJKgot that on just now :)07:33
ShadowJKmaybe it gets hidden if was alive07:33
DocScrutinizer05oh lol07:34
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DocScrutinizer05fun bit, I removed the trailing / from my URLs and wiki, m.o, and garage loaded immediately. Before I hit F5 like 50 times and always "timeout on port"07:37
DocScrutinizer05err socket operation07:37
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DocScrutinizer05indeed without static everything looks rather strange, or even useless07:39
DocScrutinizer05been CSSU banner ad there in 2010?07:40
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DocScrutinizer05particularly wiki looks like.... xxx07:43
WizardNumberNexthello everybody07:44
WizardNumberNextI run Linux Kernel 3.6.11-rt25 on both server and desktop. On Server I do not see any bigger difference, but for desktop I would dicourage anybody to use it unless that person would have good reason to do so. I am thinking about trying it out on N900 and see how it does behave.07:46
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SiceloWizardNumberNext: with a lot of hacking, a few individuals have got maemo boot with a 3.x kernel. You are more likely to have far better success with it if you boot other OSes07:49
WizardNumberNextSicelo, Pali have booted 3.8-rc3 (rescue-OS) and I do have both patches and kernel+initrd from him. I just need to wait till 3.8 would be released, as it is next RT target.07:51
Siceloyes, i know :P07:52
WizardNumberNextand obviously I have to create initrd for 3.8 tuned to 3.807:52
WizardNumberNexts/to 3.8/to maemo/07:53
infobotWizardNumberNext meant: and obviously I have to create initrd for 3.8 tuned to maemo07:53
WizardNumberNextand if it comes to Pali's kernel, only he knows if it was hacking or clean programming07:54
Sicelohacking ;-)07:55
Sicelomixing patches from meego + some of his own07:55
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DocScrutinizer05I fail to get the point of such experiments, tbh - particularly if rt25 means what it suggests to me07:56
ShadowJKWe probably don't have anything with realtime priority in maemo07:57
ShadowJKthese -rt things that reappear regulary generally drop overall performance07:58
* Sicelo doesn't even know what it means, lol07:58
ShadowJKActually the infrared stuff might be closest to realtime lol07:59
SiceloWizardNumberNext: with that said, Pali is doing a great job, imo, especially that he's also pushing stuff upstream08:00
WizardNumberNextShadowJK: it is tradeof - either longer latencies and higher performance without preemption or latency and drop in performance and shorter latencies with preemption08:03
WizardNumberNextSicelo: I do agree, he is doing great job08:03
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WizardNumberNextactually first thing, which was hit by RT was pulseaudio - it doesn't work properly with priority of 9 or bigger (nice -11), bur seams to work flawlesly with priority 0 (nice -20)08:05
WizardNumberNextI am looking how to switch pulseaudio to RT priority (but not too big though)08:06
ShadowJKthere isn't supposed to be any preemption of things running at RT priorities, btw :p08:07
WizardNumberNextShadowJK: pulseaudio have to be preemtible, as it uses so many libraries and stuff. In my case non-preemtible pulseaudio would have problem to make my desktop sound, as I I run jackd2 between pa and actuall sound card08:09
ShadowJKIt's probably not designed to run realtime if it would hang as non-preemptible08:10
ShadowJKYou'd think pa would be fully eventdriven..08:12
ShadowJKAs for making mp3 playback stop skipping, if someone could make mafw use a 5 second input file buffer... :)08:13
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ShadowJKand at the "realtime" IO priority08:14
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ShadowJKand also fadvise() sequential for mp3/aac :)08:17
WizardNumberNextShadowJK: preempt-RT is simply more preemtible kernel, then full preempt-desktop08:18
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DocScrutinizer05btw I just have to repeat myself: realtime doesn't mean "fast", it just guarantees that response time to events is not exceeding an arbitrary upper limit08:25
DocScrutinizer05even to just a set of clearly defined events08:25
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DocScrutinizer05and that response time upper limit could be like 60 seconds and the system still would meet realtime specs if those 60 are guaranteed08:26
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WizardNumberNextDocScrutinizer05: I know about that08:43
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Gearhi. what are the main working repositories?09:14
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fastaDId the latest community update fix the recent Turkish SSL problem?11:02
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keriofasta: yep11:13
keriothe two intermediate CAs that were released by mistake are blacklisted11:13
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fastaDoes a community update update the firmware?11:14
chem|stfasta: not yet11:15
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RST38hmoo, ab11:45
abRST38h: boo11:45
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Ex-OpesaI am getting the same issue as S.Korean "hash mismatch" by using temporary mirror of repos from
Ex-OpesaSeems like user Azril also got the same problem13:04
Ex-OpesaIs there a solution?13:06
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* jonwil has decided to ignore the migration hassles and various assorted crap and do something useful by reverse engineering various things connected to GPRS13:10
vi____go go jonwil"13:11
jonwilmaybe I can figure out connui-iapsettings-gprs or libicd-network-gprs13:12
jonwilI know there are people that need support for multiple GPRS APs and easy siwtch between them13:12
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jonwilfirst though I need food :)13:14
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kerioEx-Opesa: the nokia repositories still work, and merlin's mirrors of extras-devel and community-testing work for me13:36
kerioso i'm going to mark your problem as "bad repo" or "bad client"13:37
infoboti heard fapman is Faster Application Manager, a bad package manager that causes problems, don't use it, ever13:37
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Lava_Croftfapman is as dangerous as the person using it:)13:45
Lava_Croftkind of like rm13:45
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infobotfapman is probably Faster Application Manager, a bad package manager that causes problems, don't use it, ever15:22
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muellisoft(/.-) fapman...15:53
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sidhI can nslookup, but apt-get update can't connect to it, do we have to wait again ?16:43
Ex-Opesasidh: People are working on it as far as I am aware. Kindly be patient.16:43
sidh(I have read thread 1314588 from
sidhok it was just to know if the  problrm could come from my side16:44
sidhno problem, i will try tommorrow16:44
keriorepository. was taken down for a while to try to diagnose the problem16:44
sidhok I understand16:45
Palisidh, maemo using dnsmasq with cache16:53
Palimaybe you need also to restart dnsmasq16:53
Palito drop/reload cache16:53
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lundecan anyone help me in making kpv51r1 uboot entry17:02
keriolunde: apt-get install kernel-power-bootimg17:03
lundehehe AFAIK but this method doesn't work on thumb field :P17:04
keriojust keep kernel-power-flasher installed17:05
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keriowith fiasco-image-update-ask, you get a prompt on every flash, so you can avoid flashing over your uboot17:05
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GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer05, ping17:10
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keriolunde: by kpv51r1 i guess you mean kernel-power, kernel-power-modules and kernel-power-flasher?17:21
keriowhy do you want to install uboot?17:22
lundewanna install nitdroid17:22
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keriolunde: install u-boot-flasher and kernel-power-bootimg17:26
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keriowithout uninstalling anything17:26
keriobut you'll be in a flaky situation17:26
kerioonce you've installed kernel-power-bootimg, do ln -s /etc/bootmenu.d/20-<tab /etc/default/bootmenu.item17:30
kerioand then rerun u-boot-update-bootmenu17:30
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lundeok will report back17:34
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kerio...why am i doing this17:36
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lundesorry didn't understand what you mean17:39
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dimirThe is down, hence asking here, how to enable (add catalogue, which are the entries?) CSSU in my n900?18:02
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keriodimir: is down at the moment18:25
kerio(it's a temporary thing)18:25
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keriohow do i diagnose missing cover art in mediaplayer/OMP?19:26
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DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: pong20:05
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thedead1440the mirror is working with hash sum mismatch error resolved finally FYI...20:53
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thedead1440as before links to be gotten from:
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DocScrutinizer05and - on a sidenote - * central services is mostly in business again20:55
DocScrutinizer05at least for the non-repository stuff like20:55
infobotmaemo-flashing is probably
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: it has no css formatting right?20:56
DocScrutinizer05CSS from still missing, so anticipate some fsckup in rendering/formatting20:56
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: ping20:57
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chem|stDocScrutinizer05: pong21:04
DocScrutinizer05you're in contact with Reggie?21:04
chem|sttried to get me at 3.5am...21:05
DocScrutinizer05you're checking state of tmo DNS every 15min? ;-P21:05
DocScrutinizer05anyway, just sent a answer mail (hope you been in CC)21:06
chem|styes been!21:06
DocScrutinizer05green light for tmo move21:06
chem|stas tmo wasn't affected by bandwidth issues there was never a red one21:06
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DocScrutinizer05hah, you never know21:07
DocScrutinizer05such a firewall can do funny things21:07
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DocScrutinizer05and since the vservers are a xen-grid now, you never know on which rack a particular VM just sits - aiui. Ask wirr or21:10
infoboti heard sysop-wanted is
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DocScrutinizer05actully I'm not sure if xen-grid does dynamic move of VM like vmware-sgx or what's it called21:11
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: it's a xen-grid, it shouldn't matter which rack a particular VM sits on :)21:16
DocScrutinizer05kerio: for chem|st's assumption that there been no bandwidth issues to new tmo VM it been the one and only argument21:18
DocScrutinizer05while my assumption been that traffic shaper didn't throttle the really sparse traffic to new-tmo since... it's so sparse21:19
DocScrutinizer05by switching DNs this would've changed instantly21:20
* DocScrutinizer05 needs an auto-replace for DNs->DNS21:20
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PaliI created git repo for upstream kernel with n900/maemo patches on gitorious:
PaliSkry, freemangordon ^^^^22:15
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DocScrutinizer05jacekowski: ping22:24
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DocScrutinizer05jacekowski: what is fremantle 1.2 1.3 etc  -  like here  [/parrot-mode]22:25
kerioDocScrutinizer05: ssu for pr1.2/1.3?22:26
DocScrutinizer05*thought* as much22:27
kerioi'm not sure who's supposed to use the 1.3 one instead of the generic one, though22:29
kerioi think that pr 1.3 starts with the generic one22:29
DocScrutinizer05brkn: md5sum `find`|sort|tee raw-all.md5sum|awk foo|uniq -D|xarg grep errr-TBD22:32
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: find duplicate files and print22:33 has fremantle, fremantle 1.2 + fremantle 1.3, however pool is fremantle only22:33
brknwhich is weird.22:33
kerioisn't pool just pool?22:33
kerioit holds multiple versions22:34
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brknlet's see22:35
brkni still wonder whereh 1.2 and 1.3 comes from cause i mirrored everything according to wiki.22:35
DocScrutinizer05which friggin confrence in Buenos Aires will invite me for two weeks now?22:36
DocScrutinizer05incl flight and accommodation, please22:36
DocScrutinizer052 weeks!22:37
keriowhy not bora bora instead?22:37
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DocScrutinizer05I don't actually care as long as it's between 0°and 35°S lat22:38
qwazixfactory sealed N900 for sale on tmo
DocScrutinizer05DANG! US22:40
Gh0styindeed dang :(22:41
Gh0stymy led controller thing has completly died I think22:41
kerioDocScrutinizer05: were you thinking of buying *another* n900?22:41
Gh0stytoo bad, looking for a new phone but no idea what :/22:41
Gh0stynothing can compare to an n900 :/22:42
kerioGh0sty: a n900, obviously22:42
qwazixMy N900 just developed a white spot on screen again and I'm tempted, but... no money22:42
DocScrutinizer05yeah nothing can replace N900 - excapt another N90022:42
DocScrutinizer05white spots are from overly mechanic pressure22:43
DocScrutinizer05ruining the LCD separator, I guess22:43
DocScrutinizer05or the light spreader22:44
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: you could still ask the dude if he's willing to ship to euroep22:45
keriobut really, do you need yet another n900?22:45
qwazixyeah, my screenprotector has a scratch just where the new white spot is22:45
DocScrutinizer05kerio: nah, this guy is so cool, I am not jaleous to the US community22:45
Gh0styno i wont buy another n90022:45
qwazixbut I swear I didn't hit it anywhere...22:46
qwazixmy old one was full of those22:46
Gh0styspecifically also because i wont give any money to nokia anymore :(22:46
Gh0stythey fucked it all up!22:46
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kerioGh0sty: buying a n900 = buying a used n90022:46
DocScrutinizer05Gh0sty: you won't give money to nokie22:46
qwazixand again the only abuse I did, was using fingernails on the keyboard, ruining the paint22:46
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* DocScrutinizer05 searching for a few new keymats, qwerty22:47
qwazixanyway that one was stolen so nothing to worry...22:47
DocScrutinizer05btw no I remember: it's the tin-oxide structuring that gets ruined by pressure22:48
DocScrutinizer05causing the white spots22:48
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DocScrutinizer05the transparent electrodes have a mechanical surface structure (micro scars in one direction, for molecules of LC to orient on that)22:49
DocScrutinizer05excessive pressure making electrodes touch each other will ruin that structure22:49
DocScrutinizer05my scarface device has like 9 of those white spots22:50
Gh0styscarface device?22:50
DocScrutinizer05I gave them names22:51
DocScrutinizer05scarface been 3rd, bought used22:51
DocScrutinizer05there are also Iron900, T900, blue, and gift22:53
Gh0styi guess its not too easy to replace a whole screen unit? :)22:53
DocScrutinizer05it's extremely easy to relace a whole screen unit22:54
DocScrutinizer05once you got a replacement22:54
DocScrutinizer054 screws and one b2b-connector aka plug22:54
Gh0stynobody has a white spot unit for sale with working led controller? :p22:55
DocScrutinizer05defects on LP5523? :-o22:55
dafoxyou forget that if you buy an n900, used, you're given that other person money, who may then well give it to nokia though (indirect sponsoring ;)22:55
DocScrutinizer05yeah, or my butcher does that with the money I pay for may steak22:56
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: yeah, or my butcher does that with the money I pay for pay steak22:56
dafoxdamn that man! No more steak! :p22:56
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: yeah, or my butcher does that with the money I pay for my steak22:56
qwazixIs there a documented corellation of butchers and Nokia?22:57
DocScrutinizer05look at all those butchered N900 ;-P22:58
DocScrutinizer05to butcher the LP5523 LED controller though, I wouldn't know what to do to achieve that22:59
DocScrutinizer05Gh0sty: your kbd backlight also defect?22:59
DocScrutinizer05(I know you theoretically could kill the SoC with LP5523)23:00
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DocScrutinizer05(but not the other way round)23:01
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jyrjyrGood evening / day / night / whatever everyone =)23:33
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tadzikgood UGT :)23:36
jyrjyrah =D23:37
tadzikmay come in handy :)23:37
jyrjyrvery nice, had no idea that problem had been solved =D23:38
jyrjyryes, thank you very much =D23:38
tadzikyou're welcome :)23:39
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dimirOK, up, still down.23:45
dimirAny estimates when it'll be up?23:45
DocScrutinizer05welcome jyrjyr, one more sysop volunteer for!23:49
jyrjyrthanks, nice to be here =)23:50
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