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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: (sudser) it's as sophisticated as *#-enabler - a 5liner postinstall. The question isn't how/who to test it on m5/n900, the concerns are if it's a basically god or evil idea to allow root without password | 00:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ( *** Stskeeps setzt Modus: +b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.198.) THANKS | 00:03 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer why? | 00:04 |
| ZogG | i log in from webgate sometimes | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900*a and certain IPs is a guaranteed PITA | 00:05 |
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| ZogG | so? | 00:05 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, we have kernels which can overclock the device | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | this dude is trolling here since months, and I thought "WTF?! him again?" while reading backscroll, before I ran into Stskeeps taking care of it. So I don't have to do | 00:06 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, that's true | 00:06 |
| ZogG | i'm the troll king here | 00:07 |
| ZogG | let's keep it like that | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | so, as I'm not really here (you just think I am)... cya, I know channel is cosy and warm | 00:07 |
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| ZogG | she is damn hot | 00:09 |
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| TiagoTiago | fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck Dx | 00:16 |
| TiagoTiago | storage format not supported | 00:17 |
| steinex | about getting an invisible shield on the n900... | 00:17 |
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| TiagoTiago | i hadn't even got to 1 Ghz, but is seems it was enough to screw the internal memory Dx | 00:17 |
| steinex | someone from germany that can tell me a shop who _does_ it? | 00:17 |
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| ZogG | TiagoTiago ? | 00:18 |
| TiagoTiago | somthing went wrong with my N900 | 00:19 |
| kerio | trumee: if someone ports it | 00:19 |
| ZogG | reboot | 00:19 |
| kerio | it's opensource and it uses opengl | 00:19 |
| kerio | it's also huge | 00:19 |
| TiagoTiago | on every reboot it gets worse | 00:19 |
| TiagoTiago | now even the textures for the pin entry keypad are missing | 00:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Have you reflashed to stock kernel? | 00:19 |
| kerio | and since it's a fps, it's really not playable without fullsize kbd+mouse | 00:19 |
| SpeedEvil | At stock speed? | 00:19 |
| TiagoTiago | the fonts are missing | 00:20 |
| TiagoTiago | i had OC'd to 900 | 00:20 |
| kerio | fucked up /opt/ then | 00:20 |
| kerio | oh | 00:20 |
| kerio | hope you fucked up /opt/ | 00:20 |
| trumee | kerio, with a ps3 controller? | 00:20 |
| kerio | trumee: you... you play FPSes with a controller? | 00:20 |
| kerio | BURN IN HELL | 00:20 |
| TiagoTiago | any way i can fix this without having to reinstall everything? | 00:20 |
| steinex | i never understood why people are overclocking in first place... it's a magnet for bricking and does nothing more than drain your battery more. | 00:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Overclocking can cause massive filesystem corruption. | 00:21 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: huh? | 00:21 |
| trumee | kerio, nope never played an fps with a controller. | 00:21 |
| kerio | how? | 00:21 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: What do you mean how. | 00:21 |
| TiagoTiago | isn't iut supposed to make battery last longer? It make thing be done is less time, and it uses lower voltages and stuff | 00:21 |
| steinex | tommorrow people are installing gentoo on n900, compiling everything to squeeze out the last ms or smsthng. | 00:21 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: must be one hell of a cpu fuckup | 00:21 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: 2+2=5 - and suddenly your filesystem gets a whole lort more surreal. | 00:21 |
| trumee | kerio, but sixaxis would be better than N900 keyb | 00:22 |
| steinex | i mean - wtf :D | 00:22 |
| greenfly | steinex: probably more accurate to say tomorrow they are /starting/ to install it :) | 00:22 |
| TiagoTiago | :( | 00:22 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, Surrealist FS is so much more fun, though. | 00:22 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: we need a quantistic filesystem | 00:23 |
| kerio | that's always in a entangled state of consistant and inconsistant | 00:23 |
| kerio | trumee: hmm | 00:23 |
| TiagoTiago | is i manage to acess it with ssh, is there a checkdisk or somthign i can run? | 00:23 |
| kerio | gamegripper + stylus to aim? | 00:23 |
| kerio | that's the only thing i can think of | 00:24 |
| kerio | but then you can't shoot | 00:24 |
| kerio | :( | 00:24 |
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| kerio | meh, game gripper + bt mouse | 00:24 |
| steinex | TiagoTiago: long story short - if you reboot at normal speed and things are still screwed you most probably screwed your device. | 00:24 |
| TiagoTiago | :( | 00:24 |
| kerio | TiagoTiago: hmm | 00:25 |
| kerio | the fs is definetely fucked | 00:25 |
| steinex | TiagoTiago: i really hope a reflash will fix it, but i doubt it | 00:25 |
| kerio | so reflash | 00:25 |
| TiagoTiago | Dx | 00:25 |
| kerio | why wouldn't it fix stuff | 00:25 |
| kerio | it's not like he fucked up the eMMC | 00:25 |
| TiagoTiago | if the damage was physical | 00:25 |
| kerio | he temporarily fucked up the cpu | 00:25 |
| kerio | hope it will go back to normal | 00:25 |
| kerio | and DON'T OVERCLOCK | 00:25 |
| drizztbsd | tomorrow I will charge the battery using the hardware-lab power source, with 3.7 v and 900mA | 00:26 |
| TiagoTiago | i hate how there are those scary warnings and yet people all keep trying to push others to do it too :( | 00:26 |
| kerio | TiagoTiago: it's because we're looking for lab rats | 00:27 |
| Arkenoi | damn i do not have working google sync solution anymore. first m.google.com stopped working for me, now nuevasync is all fscked up | 00:27 |
| TiagoTiago | is there any chance i'll not have to reinswtall everything? | 00:28 |
| kerio | TiagoTiago: probably not | 00:28 |
| kerio | *this* kind of fuckup is only solved by a full reinstall | 00:28 |
| TiagoTiago | :( | 00:28 |
| kerio | because really, you don't have a way to check *what* has been lost | 00:28 |
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| TiagoTiago | why i can't run a chkdisk to fix the fs? | 00:29 |
| lcuk | ok TiagoTiago, just open x-term and run fsck | 00:29 |
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| TiagoTiago | is it jsut gonna tell me it can't do it, or is it gonna fuck things up even worse? | 00:30 |
| lcuk | idk, i thought you couldnt even bootup | 00:30 |
| TiagoTiago | i can, but the font i9s gone, it's all squares | 00:30 |
| TiagoTiago | i can access via SSH though | 00:30 |
| lcuk | you have lost your /opt partition then | 00:30 |
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| lcuk | then go and see whats there | 00:31 |
| lcuk | see if mydocs is etc | 00:31 |
| TiagoTiago | pymaemo and nothign else last i checked | 00:31 |
| lcuk | mydocs is most important i would imagine | 00:31 |
| lcuk | since thats where your data is | 00:31 |
| TiagoTiago | booting up again to see if fsck works | 00:32 |
| lcuk | well see if the folderrs exist first | 00:32 |
| lcuk | its missing a mount | 00:32 |
| lcuk | i didnt think you could get in | 00:32 |
| TiagoTiago | i shut it down cause i remember reading that file system keeps rotating the files around and would continuously fuck thigns more and more once somthing goes wrong | 00:32 |
| lcuk | well you overclocking has already done that really | 00:33 |
| TiagoTiago | inside /opt it only has pymaemo | 00:34 |
| TiagoTiago | MyDocs seems to be intact | 00:34 |
| TiagoTiago | at least it is there and has many files and folders inside | 00:35 |
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| lcuk | TiagoTiago, a suggestion: back them up | 00:35 |
| TiagoTiago | how? | 00:36 |
| lcuk | you have ssh | 00:36 |
| TiagoTiago | yep | 00:36 |
| lcuk | do you have usb | 00:36 |
| TiagoTiago | ok | 00:36 |
| TiagoTiago | i'm connecting via wifi though | 00:36 |
| lcuk | but really, your device is being odd | 00:36 |
| lcuk | you still have access to it | 00:36 |
| TiagoTiago | :( | 00:36 |
| lcuk | plug it into usb | 00:36 |
| lcuk | and see if mydocs mounts through | 00:36 |
| lcuk | and copy that way | 00:36 |
| * lcuk actually ponders where the mount has gone | 00:37 | |
| TiagoTiago | crap, it rebooted when i pluged the USB | 00:37 |
| mgedmin | interesting | 00:37 |
| lcuk | try it when you arent in the mydocs folder using ssh | 00:37 |
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| lcuk | hey marius | 00:38 |
| mgedmin | /opt is a symlink to /home/opt; /home is an ext2 partition, /home/MyDocs is a vfat partition | 00:38 |
| mgedmin | if /home is damaged, the /home/MyDocs mountpoint might not exist | 00:38 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, he just said there were contents | 00:38 |
| mgedmin | so even if all the documents are safe, they may not be accessible immediatelly | 00:38 |
| lcuk | i was going to ask to check /home/opt | 00:38 |
| lcuk | since his /opt has reverted to a normal folder by the looks (pymaemo repopulates afaik | 00:39 |
| mgedmin | I think /opt shouldn't affect things like fonts and textures | 00:39 |
| lcuk | it does | 00:39 |
| lcuk | specifically | 00:39 |
| mgedmin | custom themes? | 00:39 |
| TiagoTiago | no, the default one | 00:39 |
| mgedmin | or base system moving stuff there? | 00:39 |
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| lcuk | http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime/blobs/master/maemo-optify-auto-opt.conf#line20 | 00:39 |
| * mgedmin wants a desktop widget with a button "GO ONLINE NOW" | 00:39 | |
| lcuk | mgedmin, pr1.2 optify boottime | 00:40 |
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| mgedmin | (without giving me a list of connections, if any of the saved ones are available) | 00:40 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, hmm | 00:41 |
| mgedmin | tap-wait-tap-wait-wait-wait-tap is kinda annoying | 00:41 |
| mgedmin | I'd rather just tap-wait | 00:41 |
| lcuk | you mean like triggering the "auto reconnect after every n minutes" | 00:41 |
| lcuk | for a one shot event | 00:41 |
| mgedmin | more like triggering the "auto connect because the user tried to open a web page" | 00:41 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, auto reconnect will move to my home wifi when i get home | 00:41 |
| lcuk | or wifi at other places | 00:42 |
| mgedmin | I disabled auto reconnect, I think | 00:42 |
| lcuk | without asking | 00:42 |
| mgedmin | it did wonders to my battery life | 00:42 |
| lcuk | yes, i gather | 00:42 |
| mgedmin | so now I'm reluctant to reenable it | 00:42 |
| lcuk | but your button should trigger that action | 00:42 |
| lcuk | once only | 00:42 |
| mgedmin | yes | 00:42 |
| mgedmin | my use case: I want to ssh in | 00:42 |
| lcuk | understood totally | 00:42 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: Just have a www.google.com link bookmark on your desktop | 00:42 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, it asks for network | 00:43 |
| Jaffa | Or a bookmark to a page which shows, in big friendly letters, GO ONLINE NOW | 00:43 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Not if a saved connection is available | 00:43 |
| mgedmin | tap-wait-wait-wait-wait-wait-tap-to-close-browser-window != tap-wait | 00:43 |
| lcuk | i have about 10 saved connections | 00:43 |
| lcuk | it always asks | 00:43 |
| mgedmin | heh, bookmargin http://istheinternetup.com would be a nifty idea | 00:43 |
| lcuk | heh | 00:44 |
| mgedmin | what do you mean, a parking page? | 00:44 |
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| TiagoTiago | now when i plug the USB nothign is happeneing :( | 00:44 |
| mgedmin | did it expire? | 00:44 |
| mgedmin | I loved that domain and the big friendly letters saying "YES" :( | 00:45 |
| lcuk | TiagoTiago, | 00:45 |
| kerio | someone should really reregister it | 00:45 |
| kerio | srsly | 00:45 |
| lcuk | then just unplug usb and use wifi | 00:45 |
| TiagoTiago | i haven't managed to set up the file sharing over network yet (i have WinXP on my desktop machine) | 00:45 |
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| lcuk | TiagoTiago, winscp | 00:46 |
| kerio | mgedmin: we still have http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/ | 00:46 |
| TiagoTiago | ah. ft´. pl | 00:46 |
| TiagoTiago | ah, ftp, ok | 00:46 |
| mgedmin | so, /home/opt is bind-mounted on /opt nowadays | 00:46 |
| mgedmin | interesting | 00:46 |
| TiagoTiago | stuff gonna take ages to download via wifi :( | 00:46 |
| lcuk | and TiagoTiago when you do reconnect to ssh, just tell us whats inside /home/opt | 00:46 |
| TiagoTiago | a folder called pymaemo | 00:46 |
| kerio | as interesting as cancer | 00:47 |
| lcuk | hm | 00:47 |
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| TiagoTiago | how do i use fsck to try to recover opt? | 00:49 |
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| mgedmin | TiagoTiago, don't | 00:49 |
| TiagoTiago | why not? | 00:49 |
| mgedmin | first run dmesg, see if there are any filesystem errors | 00:50 |
| lcuk | it wont recover | 00:50 |
| lcuk | the contents are gone | 00:50 |
| lcuk | and replaced | 00:50 |
| lcuk | if /home/opt doesnt contain the right stuff | 00:50 |
| lcuk | nowhere will | 00:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yap | 00:53 |
| TiagoTiago | can't the right data still be there but the file system is simply not pointing tot he right place? | 00:54 |
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| TiagoTiago | the result from demesg http://pastebin.com/W94bNCYX | 00:55 |
| lcuk | TiagoTiago, pastebin contents of /var/log/maemo-optify-boottime.log | 00:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | tnhings like 'stale NFS' are equal to wontfix/reflash in my book | 00:56 |
| TiagoTiago | http://pastebin.com/SXFg0qDE | 00:57 |
| lcuk | ok ta | 00:58 |
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| lcuk | i notice you have a memory card btw | 00:58 |
| lcuk | you may be able to copy mydocs contents onto it | 00:58 |
| lcuk | that last one tells nothing unfortunately | 00:59 |
| TiagoTiago | i don't have one 0.0 | 00:59 |
| lcuk | how did you get into this state | 00:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | muhahaha | 00:59 |
| lcuk | doh yeah thats swap partition, my tired eyes too | 00:59 |
| lcuk | looks like wifi | 00:59 |
| TiagoTiago | my guess is by succumbing to peer pressure and OC'ing to 900 | 01:00 |
| TiagoTiago | i noticed there were not respositories in HAM so i shut down and back on, and things got worse on each new boot | 01:01 |
| TiagoTiago | there were no* | 01:01 |
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| TiagoTiago | is there a way i can trigger the USB mass storage mode with a command via SSH? | 01:02 |
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| lcuk | doubtful, if action of plugging in usb cable reboots it.. | 01:03 |
| TiagoTiago | now it isn't doing anything | 01:03 |
| lcuk | i wonder what would happen if you replaced contents of /home/opt with a folder taken from a clean device | 01:04 |
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| * lcuk will have to try that | 01:05 | |
| mgedmin | well, normally reflashing doesn't erase MyDocs | 01:05 |
| TiagoTiago | would be almost as bad as reflashing | 01:05 |
| lcuk | you have to reflash | 01:05 |
| mgedmin | so you should get all the builtin apps in / and on first boot maemo-optify-boottime would move the right stuff to /home/opt | 01:05 |
| mgedmin | just don't reflash the eMMC, that would erase MyDocs | 01:05 |
| lcuk | thats what happens mg | 01:05 |
| lcuk | yes ahh mgedmin of course :) main rootfs image only and see whether it does its work | 01:06 |
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| lcuk | but if it was me with device in this state i would copy off first | 01:06 |
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| TiagoTiago | ius the /opt partition gonna be remade? | 01:07 |
| lcuk | we dont know | 01:07 |
| lcuk | i would say, assume no | 01:07 |
| lcuk | and backup while you can :) | 01:07 |
| * lcuk is a data pessamist | 01:08 | |
| TiagoTiago | a, great, the page to download the image is asking me for the code under the battery, will have to start copying stuff over all over again, or waittill it's done | 01:08 |
| lcuk | wait till done | 01:08 |
| TiagoTiago | is there a way i can check whether the current /opt is pointing to the right place? | 01:08 |
| TiagoTiago | via SSH | 01:09 |
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| lcuk | check output of mount | 01:09 |
| wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/02/shocker-googles-android-logo-boosted-from-atari-lynx-title-ga/ | 01:09 |
| TiagoTiago | just type mount? | 01:09 |
| wazd | busted :) | 01:09 |
| lcuk | yes | 01:09 |
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| lcuk | wazd, r2d2 is also going to sue | 01:10 |
| Arkenoi | tried syncevolution, no luck as well. m.google.com/sync says device not supported | 01:10 |
| TiagoTiago | it only says /home/opt is pointing to /opt | 01:11 |
| wazd | lcuk: well, r2d2 does not have antenas or eyes :) Or arms :) | 01:11 |
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| TiagoTiago | he does have telescopic limbs though | 01:11 |
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| lcuk | wazd, theres realistically only a few ways to draw an android | 01:12 |
| TiagoTiago | oh, talking about the logo, nvm | 01:12 |
| wazd | lcuk: well, that's clearly a copy :) Even eyes are in the same places :) | 01:12 |
| lcuk | omg! | 01:13 |
| wazd | lcuk: not that much exact copy to sue anyone but still :) | 01:13 |
| lcuk | android shaped things look like androids! | 01:13 |
| TiagoTiago | not exactly | 01:13 |
| jacekowski | is there anything worth seeing in bergen in norway? | 01:13 |
| TiagoTiago | also,. the line is in a different height, the antennas are straight and not curved, and the bottom is rounded square isntead of plain round | 01:14 |
| lcuk | http://newsodrome.com/body_art_news/andrea-s-awesome-android-art-r2d2-tattoo-11588013.jpg | 01:14 |
| jacekowski | assuming that i would go there for a weekend | 01:14 |
| TiagoTiago | 912 | 01:14 |
| wazd | lcuk: btw, any bipedal "human like" mech is an android :) | 01:14 |
| TiagoTiago | 912 files left* | 01:14 |
| wazd | lcuk: so there are unlimited ways to draw an android :) | 01:15 |
| TiagoTiago | They could have gone with Asimo | 01:15 |
| wazd | lcuk: http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/4/17/28041_sm-Android%20assassin.jpg | 01:16 |
| wazd | lcuk: for example :) | 01:16 |
| TiagoTiago | i can't get prduct id via ssh? | 01:16 |
| jacekowski | yes | 01:17 |
| jacekowski | from cal | 01:17 |
| jacekowski | well, i can | 01:17 |
| jacekowski | but i'm not sure if there is software for it | 01:17 |
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| TiagoTiago | i just type cal? | 01:18 |
| TiagoTiago | crap, rebooted :( | 01:19 |
| lcuk | what does the maemo or meego icon look like | 01:19 |
| lcuk | describe it to someone | 01:19 |
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| TiagoTiago | hm, is iit an lower case A biting a lower case E? | 01:20 |
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| TiagoTiago | great, product code not being accepted | 01:21 |
| lcuk | searching google images for maemo gives obvious maemo typefaced logo with the ae joined together and a yellow e | 01:22 |
| lcuk | searching google images for meego shows nothing | 01:22 |
| lcuk | for meego the os | 01:22 |
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| TiagoTiago | ah, there | 01:22 |
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| lcuk | meego meegos are the default hit http://markitup.com/Data/Images/FranksMeegoPyramid.jpg | 01:23 |
| ieatlint | someone needs to find the marketing team that came up with that name and hurt them | 01:24 |
| lcuk | and walkter meego (whoever he is) features quite a lot | 01:24 |
| lcuk | http://windishagency.com/assets/4704/Walter_Meego_-_BPM_-__91E28.jpg | 01:24 |
| lcuk | the maemo one is ok, it couldv been bettter with an icon | 01:24 |
| lcuk | but the ae works | 01:24 |
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| ieatlint | yeah, maemo could've done better with a logo or some sort of mascot | 01:26 |
| lcuk | we had a maemo mascot competition | 01:26 |
| TiagoTiago | is there a way i can boot the N900 directly into mass storage mode? | 01:26 |
| lcuk | loads of great entries | 01:26 |
| lcuk | TiagoTiago, normally just plugging it into usb when its "off" works | 01:27 |
| lcuk | but your device is borkened a bit | 01:27 |
| ieatlint | uh, what won then? | 01:27 |
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| lcuk | idk we were just throwing ideas out | 01:28 |
| lcuk | ill find the thread | 01:28 |
| chadi | hi. I want to try nitdroid. should I get an external memory card or install in built in memory? | 01:28 |
| lcuk | sorry, not competition, proposal | 01:29 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=28965 | 01:29 |
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| chadi | and what class of memory cards is the built in emmc? | 01:30 |
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| lcuk | http://maemo-daemons.org/maemo_al1.png | 01:31 |
| lcuk | a texrat idea | 01:31 |
| lcuk | :D | 01:31 |
| lcuk | ieatlint, have a look and make some noise about it | 01:31 |
| lcuk | bring thread back to life actually :P | 01:31 |
| ieatlint | meh.. a maemo mascot would have to be a tad self deprecating i think | 01:32 |
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| TiagoTiago | why? | 01:32 |
| ieatlint | humour and humility | 01:33 |
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| lcuk | ieatlint, then look through | 01:33 |
| lcuk | theres some serious ones | 01:33 |
| lcuk | and not so serious | 01:33 |
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| ieatlint | yeah, i see a raccoon one that appears to be serious | 01:33 |
| lcuk | that theme stuck for many pages | 01:34 |
| ieatlint | only if i get to shout "damn coons" | 01:34 |
| lcuk | damn, its threads like this that we should have picture thumbnail viewer for | 01:34 |
| lcuk | click a thread and see all thumbs of all images within thread | 01:34 |
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