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| mak89k | the following command "Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac -kb &" launches the blank window.. and the "[sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] >af-sb-init.sh start: give me errors.. any ideas? | 00:01 |
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| jophish | X-Fade, I'm going to get pretty close to that. Uploaded two packages seconds apart, one made it, the other didn't | 00:01 |
| alterego | mak89k: have you set the DISPLAY=:2 environment variable? | 00:01 |
| mak89k | yes | 00:01 |
| alterego | mak89k: past your error to pastie.org | 00:02 |
| X-Fade | jophish: Upload != in repository ;) | 00:02 |
| alterego | ~paste .. | 00:02 |
| jophish | promoted* | 00:02 |
| mtd | jebba: thanks again for your work building all the etch packages, and with #7707 | 00:02 |
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| mtd | jebba: if it gets all sorted out might I impose on you for an account on your community build machine? I've some small packages of my own plus gcc that I'd like to build | 00:03 |
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| X-Fade | jophish: caching network ;) Check the http header to see how long it will cache for. | 00:05 |
| jophish | ah, thanks | 00:05 |
| jebba | mtd: gimme your email addr and i'll set you up on SDK box. | 00:06 |
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| merp | X-Fade, follow the instructions. removed "input" from the main.conf DisablePlugins list. saved, restarted bluetoothd. re-paired keyboard. still no typing. any further suggestions on debug, logging, or something else to check? thanks. | 00:06 |
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| woglinde | he javis | 00:07 |
| javispedro | moo woglinde | 00:07 |
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| woglinde | javis did you attend fosdem? | 00:07 |
| jebba | seems optification is still missing /usr/bin/* link. | 00:07 |
| javispedro | woglinde: uh, nope. | 00:07 |
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| anpr | heya | 00:09 |
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| mak89k | alterego: http://pastie.org/815353 | 00:11 |
| anpr | guys anyone is not sleeping and maybe wants to explain me some things ? | 00:11 |
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| mece | anpr, what did you want to know? I'm not sure I'm the right person to answer, but I can give it a shot | 00:13 |
| t-tan | mtd: why do you need your own gcc? | 00:14 |
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| merp | this is the Palm 3245ww bluetooth keyboard I am attempting to get working under n900. I have followd directions here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Unsupported_Bluetooth_profiles and enabled the input profile and restarted the daemon and successfully paired. but when I open xterm or Notes. typing on the keyboard does not do anything. Anyone have any additional suggestions? thanks. | 00:14 |
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| t-tan | I have built gcc 4.4.3 (+other langs) but the programs compiled with it often crash qemu :-( | 00:16 |
| kakashi_ | (10:46:51 PM) ***kakashi runs | 00:17 |
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| mtd | t-tan: none existed a few days ago, AFAIK. If that's changed, great! | 00:18 |
| mtd | t-tan: what repo is it in? | 00:18 |
| t-tan | mtd: I can upload it to my repo. it's optified | 00:19 |
| mtd | jebba: thanks! | 00:19 |
| mak89k | alterego: any ideas? | 00:19 |
| mtd | t-tan: that'd be cool | 00:19 |
| mtd | t-tan: I just noticed that gcc-4.2-base has appeared from some repo (perhaps jebba's?) | 00:19 |
| mak89k | alterego: http://pastie.org/815361 | 00:19 |
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| t-tan | mtd: you could also install gcc-4.2 from SDK but it's not optified | 00:20 |
| alterego | mak89k: sorry no, not sure what's going wrong there. | 00:20 |
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| mtd | t-tan: ah yes well I won't be doing that on my n900 then :) | 00:20 |
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| mtd | t-tan: now I remember this conversation. Yeah, so that's why I want my own gcc: so I can optify it (and its dependencies) | 00:21 |
| mak89k | alterego: i did the gui install .. and the maemo launche is working.. i mean i can run the simulator | 00:21 |
| mtd | t-tan: according to #7707, optification has a ways to go though :( | 00:21 |
| mtd | t-tan: it's making progress. | 00:21 |
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| t-tan | mtd: one can optifiy existing deb packages without recompiling them | 00:22 |
| Damion2 | binfmt_misc works of x86 binaries now :) | 00:23 |
| mtd | t-tan: oh? | 00:23 |
| jebba | t-tan: that's what i'm doing, but it's still got problems. bug 7707 | 00:23 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7707 maemo-optify-deb produces recursive symlink for plugins in derivative packages | 00:23 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:23 |
| mtd | t-tan: are there instructions somewhere? | 00:23 |
| t-tan | mtd: maemo-optify-deb | 00:23 |
| Damion2 | I can execute x86 or arm randomly now on the phone | 00:23 |
| mtd | t-tan: thanks | 00:23 |
| t-tan | sorry. i was to slow | 00:24 |
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| lucas | where can I download the source for maemo packages? | 00:25 |
| t-tan | jebba: does it only affect symlinks? | 00:25 |
| frals | apt-get source <packagename>? | 00:25 |
| mece | are you talking applications or the whole system? | 00:25 |
| lucas | specific packages | 00:26 |
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| lucas | like, osso-xterm, for example | 00:26 |
| jebba | t-tan: before it was breaking plugins. Right now it's not making /usr/bin links at all (well, in some packages). He's doing the symlinking in the .post* files, which is a bit frightening perhaps. | 00:26 |
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| t-tan | jebba: and did it also happen when you run it during the build process (after gencontrol)? I didn't have problems so far with version 0.2.1 | 00:27 |
| mak89k | wat is rootstrap and is it necessary while running applications | 00:28 |
| mak89k | ? | 00:28 |
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| jebba | t-tan: this is all maemo-optify-deb | 00:32 |
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| jebba | mak89k: rootstrap is for the software development kit | 00:32 |
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| t-tan | jebba: ok, thanks. I'm just adding an option to debhelper7 to optify during gencontrol | 00:33 |
| mak89k | i did the gui install in the forums.nokia site.. but i cannot see a rootstrap package in the /scratchboz/packages... does tht mean it is not isntalled | 00:33 |
| mak89k | scratchbox* | 00:34 |
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| timeless_mbp | help | 00:35 |
| * timeless_mbp looks for a finnish speaker | 00:36 | |
| timeless_mbp | http://mxr-test.konigsberg.mozilla.org/symbian/source/MCL/sf/mw/accesssec/eapol/eapol_framework/eapol_common/type/aka/include/eap_type_aka_types.h#471 | 00:36 |
| timeless_mbp | * This option selects the AKA algorithm used in akaulation. | 00:36 |
| timeless_mbp | can someone please suggest what that last word is? | 00:36 |
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| jebba | timeless perhaps it's similar to antively? | 00:38 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 00:38 |
| jebba | "On Debian-based Linux systems the Maemo SDK can be installed antively to the host PC" | 00:38 |
| jebba | akaulation calculation? | 00:39 |
| timeless_mbp | that was my guess | 00:39 |
| timeless_mbp | since you picked it too, i'm happy | 00:39 |
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| juke_ | hi | 00:39 |
| jebba | mtd: sent you email | 00:40 |
| t-tan | mtd: gcc 4.4 is now in http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Tanner#experimental_packages | 00:40 |
| mk8 | sorry guy, but the maemo sdk is scratchbox 1 or scratchbox 2? Because looking here ( http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/ ) seems to be scratchbox2 but I'm installing it now and the GUI installer put the scratchbox-core1.0.16 .... | 00:40 |
| t-tan | mtd: I haven't tried it on the device yet... | 00:40 |
| mk8 | so, which version of scratchbox I need to use? And where I can download it? | 00:41 |
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| microlith | jebba: you might know, are you aware of a maemo package for the util-linux-ng utilities? | 00:42 |
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| Vanadis | good night everyone | 00:43 |
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| Gaap | hi all | 00:45 |
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| jebba | microlith: not certain of that one. It seems a number of the main gnu tools are getting rebuilt | 00:47 |
| mtd | jebba: thanks! | 00:47 |
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| mtd | t-tan: thanks | 00:47 |
| jebba | mk8: ya, that's scratchbox2 at garage there I think. It's a bit messy. Perhaps some info here will help http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/SDK | 00:48 |
| mak89k | hello , i am new to maemo can i trust the gui installer or do i go for the manual install | 00:48 |
| mak89k | ? | 00:48 |
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| mk8 | thanks jebba | 00:49 |
| woglinde | sb2/maemo-sdk dont works with optified packages | 00:49 |
| jebba | text installer is probably best | 00:50 |
| mak89k | jebba:i am on ubuntu , i wanna install the sdk .. i tried the gui install for maemo5 but many packages did not isntall. | 00:50 |
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| mak89k | help | 00:50 |
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| mak89k | have u writtten a guide for ubuntu install? | 00:50 |
| jebba | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0.sh | 00:50 |
| jebba | then | 00:51 |
| jebba | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sh | 00:51 |
| mak89k | thts it? i jsut run the files.. ? | 00:51 |
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| cityLights | hi all. pls help me , I can't ping repository.maemo.org from my N900 , yet I can from my desktop | 00:53 |
| cityLights | should /etc/resolv.conf only have 127.0.0.1 ? | 00:54 |
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| Damion2 | yes that's normal | 00:55 |
| ptl | if I start developing an application today: should I use hildon/gtk or qt? | 00:55 |
| Damion2 | it has a resolver | 00:55 |
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| cityLights | Damion2: thanks | 00:56 |
| Damion2 | ptl: don't ask me, I'd say curses ;) | 00:56 |
| cityLights | Damion2: where can I see the real dns servers? | 00:56 |
| SpeedEvil | termcap! | 00:56 |
| Damion2 | cityLights: not sure | 00:57 |
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| ptl | Damion2: curses? on a mobile? | 00:57 |
| Damion2 | ptl: yup | 00:57 |
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| lucas | * Fixes: NB#140490 (XTerminal icon missing) | 00:58 |
| lucas | what's NB? | 00:58 |
| t-tan | ptl: if you need fancy graphics you can add asciiart | 00:58 |
| Damion2 | latin I think for "note" | 00:58 |
| t-tan | ptl: and for color libcaca :) | 00:59 |
| Damion2 | nota bene | 00:59 |
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| Damion2 | please note | 00:59 |
| lucas | Damion2: it's probably a bug tracker | 00:59 |
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| lucas | Damion2: I know about nota bene ;) | 00:59 |
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| Damion2 | ptl: have you seen mplayer -vo caca ? it's great | 01:00 |
| lucas | ah, maybe nokia bugs, or something | 01:00 |
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| Damion2 | NotBaplicable ? | 01:00 |
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| t-tan | oh wait: asciiart and libcaca are not yet ported?? | 01:01 |
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| doubleukay | ahh. xchat works much better as an irc client on the n900 compared to pidgin. | 01:03 |
| Damion2 | who needs porting. I have binfmt_misc working and can execute arbitrary x86 linux binaries now :) | 01:03 |
| mak89k | jebba: maemo-sdk-install .. not able to run | 01:03 |
| simoneb_ | Damion2: in one word... scrollbars? | 01:03 |
| Damion2 | simoneb_: for? | 01:04 |
| simoneb_ | Damion2: scrollbars are really painful to use, touchscreen usually rely on other methods for scrolling | 01:04 |
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| Damion2 | ctrl-F and B work well for me, also / for search | 01:05 |
| jebba | mak89k: sh maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0.sh | 01:05 |
| Damion2 | or pgup/dn can be sent with up/dn swipes | 01:05 |
| t-tan | Damion2: how often do you need to recharge the battery to start a program? | 01:05 |
| Damion2 | t-tan: recharge? | 01:06 |
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| sinclair | hi everyone | 01:06 |
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| Damion2 | oh you assume it's slow | 01:06 |
| jophish | Howdy sinclair | 01:06 |
| t-tan | Damion2: yes | 01:06 |
| mak89k | jebba: package installation ? minimal or runtime or + dev packages ..which one | 01:06 |
| Damion2 | it's not | 01:06 |
| t-tan | Damion2: so you're using qemu? | 01:07 |
| Damion2 | yeah | 01:07 |
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| sinclair | has anyone successfully flashed the N900 with the latest firmware? i've tried linux, windows xp, vista, 7 all without any luck flashing the device | 01:07 |
| t-tan | Damion2: did you need any special patches to get it running? | 01:07 |
| Damion2 | nope | 01:07 |
| t-tan | Damion2: are you going to upload it to extras*? | 01:08 |
| jophish | sinclair, what's the problem? | 01:08 |
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| Damion2 | t-tan: probably | 01:08 |
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| Damion2 | atm I'm kludgingl doing it with symblinks to binaries and libs skattered all over the phone | 01:08 |
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| mak89k | shld i choose the minimal rootstrap option for sdk installation? | 01:10 |
| sinclair | jophish: when i run the flasher it just sits there... Suitable USB device not found, waiting | 01:10 |
| jophish | have you read the wiki page on flashing the device | 01:11 |
| jophish | perhaps you missed something out | 01:11 |
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| sinclair | jophish, yes i've read the wiki step by step for all operating systems with no luck at all | 01:11 |
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| jophish | might be worth double checking that | 01:13 |
| jophish | or perhaps there is a problem with the device | 01:14 |
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| sinclair | yeah i'm beginning to suspect the device... double checked, triple checked on 4 different operating systems with the same result... | 01:15 |
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| jophish | pressed u on the device? | 01:17 |
| sinclair | yup | 01:17 |
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| sinclair | the device wakes up with dimmed screen and the usb icon | 01:17 |
| sinclair | but then nothing happens | 01:17 |
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| jophish | could be the cable perhaps | 01:18 |
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| sinclair | i'll try a beta version of the software updater now... | 01:18 |
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| microlith | jebba: thanks for the heads up | 01:26 |
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| jophish | OK, I'm off now guys | 01:29 |
| jophish | I hope you get things worked out sinclair | 01:30 |
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| woglinde | ~seen luck | 01:31 |
| infobot | luck <n=NET@unaffiliated/bumbacl0t> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 711d 2h 8m 6s ago, saying: 'thanks'. | 01:31 |
| woglinde | args | 01:31 |
| woglinde | ~seen lcuk | 01:31 |
| infobot | lcuk <lcuk@Maemo/community/contributor/lcuk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 12h 45m 22s ago, saying: '\o/'. | 01:31 |
| mikhas | always gleeful, isn't he? | 01:32 |
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| dnaumov | I was asked to provide a "complete syslog" for my bugreport, what does that actually mean? obviosly not output of "syslog" since there is no such command | 01:33 |
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| juke_ | can you help me with py2deb ? | 01:36 |
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| Dassu | btw any comparison between energy comsamption between python and c++? | 01:37 |
| SpeedEvil | It depends. | 01:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's almost a meaningless question. | 01:37 |
| Dassu | :grrr | 01:38 |
| Dassu | dude like caculate pi for example | 01:38 |
| SpeedEvil | If you're doing compute intensive tasks that are going to take a while (minutes) to complete - then C++ is clearly the better solution | 01:38 |
| SpeedEvil | total execute time is a not-bad proxy for battery life. | 01:39 |
| Dassu | oke what about webpage parsing and simple qt ui? | 01:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | If something uses .1s of CPU everh 60s say - it's not an issue | 01:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | If it uses .1s every .5s - it is | 01:39 |
| SpeedEvil | strace and ps is your friend | 01:39 |
| Dassu | okies. | 01:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Ideally you want something to be idle - using no CPU at all - when the user isn't interacting with it. | 01:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | If it's - for example - updating a clock and doing sums every second, that can kill your battery life | 01:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | strace and ps or htop can give you a very good insight into the likely battery effects | 01:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | Run it for a couple of hours - look at the total elapsed CPU time. | 01:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - it may be irrelevant. | 01:41 |
| Jophish_n900 | alternatively; run it for a couple of hours and look at battery depletion | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | If your thingy is - for example - to ping a site over 3G - then you have to pin the CPU for quite a while to actually be noticable against the 3g drain | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | that's problematic. | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | the battery meter is shit. | 01:42 |
| juke_ | anybody can help me to build a package, i make one (masstransit) but it doesnt work | 01:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Run to depletion is better. | 01:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | or if you've got a DMM - charge for a couple of hours, run for an hour, pull the battery, leave 1 min, measure volts | 01:43 |
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| Dassu | k thanks for the tips SpeedEvil gtg | 01:45 |
| SpeedEvil | wave | 01:46 |
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| dnaumov | ok what am I doing wrong, the manuals say that to type special chars in terminal, you have to press the blue arrow and then Sym | 01:47 |
| dnaumov | except that does nothing | 01:47 |
| doubleukay | (you need to press them together) | 01:47 |
| dnaumov | tried doing it via "hold blue arror and press sym" and also tried pressing them in succession | 01:47 |
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| jebba | SpeedEvil: batlevel in the etch repo works pretty well | 01:49 |
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| Damion2 | does anyone have bc compiled? | 01:52 |
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| jebba | ./b/bc/bc_1.06-20_armel.deb Damion2 in my etch repo | 01:56 |
| jebba | Damion2: uh, also in main main main repo. | 01:56 |
| Damion2 | could you put a wgetgetable url? | 01:57 |
| Jophish_n900 | is there any way to control the media player from the terminal? | 01:57 |
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| jebba | Damion2: just install it from the main repo. Dont have url to that handy. | 01:59 |
| jebba | not even extras. like the main repo ;) | 02:00 |
| Damion2 | apt-cache search bc lets me down | 02:00 |
| Shapeshifter | has anyone managed to get google calendar to sync using mfe? Yeah, I know it's not supported. Still, maybe this sounds familiar: Entered everything correctly, but at the end it says "error. either exchange server requires secure connection or account is disabled". A google search reveiled a possible problem with certificates. | 02:01 |
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| Shapeshifter | and by "anyone", I guess I mean "anyone lately" as apparently it worked for lots of folks. | 02:01 |
| Shapeshifter | btw my calendar is currently emtpy. | 02:01 |
| Jophish_n900 | Shapeshifter, works fine for me at the moment. | 02:03 |
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| crashanddie | yo bitches | 02:04 |
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| Shapeshifter | Jophish_n900: humm. | 02:05 |
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| Shapeshifter | where do I check if I have PR1.1? in "about product" there's 2.2009.51-1 | 02:06 |
| openstandards | hi there | 02:06 |
| Shapeshifter | and 2009 sounds like PR1.0 to me | 02:08 |
| Caesium | 2009.51 is PR1.1 | 02:08 |
| Caesium | 2009.42 would be 1.0 | 02:08 |
| Shapeshifter | ah | 02:08 |
| Caesium | and I thnk 48 was 1.0.1 | 02:08 |
| Shapeshifter | okay | 02:08 |
| Shapeshifter | thanks | 02:08 |
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| openstandards | i'm unable to sign into aim with the telepathy packages due to a validation check on the oscar protocol however I believe aim allows for name spaces in the screen name, can this be considered a bug? | 02:09 |
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| Shapeshifter | mh, where are certs supposed to be in this version? I see things on the bugtracker that they are in /home/user/.activesync/certs but I don't have an .activesync folder | 02:10 |
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| Shapeshifter | ah found them | 02:11 |
| Shapeshifter | .maemosec-certs | 02:11 |
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| Damion2 | native bc takes 3.9 seconds, x86 bc takes 25.8 seconds, 1Ghz x86 takes 1.24sec. echo 99999^9999 | 02:20 |
| Damion2 | x86 qemu seems to be about 6 times slower than native | 02:21 |
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| Caesium | how many times did you test | 02:22 |
| Damion2 | only about 3-4 | 02:22 |
| Damion2 | up arrow return | 02:22 |
| Caesium | running that on my local fairly-idle Sempron 140 varies from 0.4s to 1.1s - quite a range | 02:22 |
| Damion2 | it was generally the same times within .1 | 02:22 |
| Damion2 | Caesium: my work desktop is dual 3Ghz 686 of sorts, and 64bits | 02:22 |
| Damion2 | under vmware my 32bit ubuntu with scratchbox runs arm bc in 6 seconds for that | 02:23 |
| Caesium | Sempron 140 is 2.7 iirc | 02:23 |
| Caesium | when you say native bc 3.9s, you mean on N900? that's not half bad | 02:23 |
| fredrin | how to get extras-testing repository? | 02:23 |
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| Damion2 | yeah, actually it's faster than my qemu arm thing | 02:23 |
| fredrin | always fail when i try to type it in in the package manager | 02:24 |
| Damion2 | I suspect diskio is the slow thing | 02:24 |
| Damion2 | 600Mhz Arm cortex thingy8 is obviously quite good? | 02:24 |
| Caesium | guess so :) | 02:24 |
| Caesium | better than I expected :) | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Damion2: Or qemu blows | 02:24 |
| Damion2 | SpeedEvil: it could be vmware, hold on... | 02:25 |
| Damion2 | it's 0.48 on native | 02:25 |
| Damion2 | oh okay it's 0.51 repeatadly under vmware | 02:26 |
| Damion2 | yeah qemu running arm blows | 02:26 |
| Caesium | quelle surprise :) | 02:26 |
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| Caesium | what's it roughly comparable to then, say P60? :) | 02:27 |
| Damion2 | arm qemu running x86 is usable, note that loads of stuff like kernel syscalls are running natively | 02:27 |
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| kamui__ | Damion2, how usable is usable | 02:49 |
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| kamui__ | usable as in could boot dos and run full speed at the 8086 level, or usable like boot dos and win3.1 and run full speed at the 80386 level | 02:50 |
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| Damion2 | this is linux specific, xeyes was fast toppler was about aqs fast as native arm | 03:23 |
| Damion2 | dosbox, ppl claim is fast enough for old dos games | 03:23 |
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| Kamui | jeebus | 03:40 |
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| Kamui | i really need a better way to optify via relink packages | 03:40 |
| Kamui | dare i write a new optify script? | 03:40 |
| Kamui | :) | 03:41 |
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| boogeyman | where are the environment variables stored in maemo 5? do I need to create /home/user/.profile or..? | 03:42 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Brainstorm is such a sad joke. | 04:28 |
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| kamui__ | Der General | 04:29 |
| kamui__ | greets | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi | 04:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | If you do write a new script, please submit your improvements to maemo-developers. | 04:30 |
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| kamui__ | I will certainly make it public | 04:30 |
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| kamui__ | but its likely to be an after the fact script | 04:30 |
| kamui__ | eg, optify packagename | 04:30 |
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| kamui__ | maybe even with a gui frontend if I get around to caring | 04:31 |
| kamui__ | but I'm tired of constantly being on the verge of a reflash :) | 04:31 |
| crashanddie | kamui__: that already exists | 04:31 |
| kamui__ | packagescan? | 04:31 |
| crashanddie | aye | 04:31 |
| kamui__ | naah, that takes at least 10 minutes to become useable | 04:31 |
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| kamui__ | I want something where I can run it from the cmd line, as I KNOW I just installed an app and its eating x megs of root | 04:32 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: it's not for nothing that Brainstorm has the same initials as bullshit | 04:32 |
| kamui__ | btw, who are the garage admins | 04:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, I guess the idea was going to be that we were actually going to be getting a time investment from Maemo Devices managers. | 04:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | kamui__, X-Fade's in charge. | 04:33 |
| kamui__ | I wanted to say thank you for approving my blender project | 04:33 |
| kamui__ | Im publishing my current build tonight | 04:33 |
| crashanddie | blender on the N900? | 04:33 |
| kamui__ | a ton of email requests keep pouring in | 04:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, unfortunately the tool seems to be the worst parts of Bugzilla and the lists all rolled up into one awful package | 04:33 |
| kamui__ | even though its still a bit slow | 04:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | with no management investment. | 04:33 |
| LB1938 | ftw! | 04:33 |
| crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: who could blame management | 04:33 |
| kamui__ | crashanddie, yep, my first day with the N900 I ported b lender 2.5 alpha | 04:33 |
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| villager | Damion2: in the very old days of win16-only it didn't really need to, no... but then win32 came along with that newfangled virtual memory and separate address spaces | 05:49 |
| villager | and kernel handles | 05:49 |
| villager | and other stuff | 05:50 |
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| villager | clone was optional back then, probably only used if one process spawned another | 05:51 |
| Damion2 | yeah I remember a several year period where it all got a bit less compatible | 05:51 |
| * Damion2 has been a wine user since the early or mid 90s | 05:51 | |
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| Damion2 | villager: if it avoided fork() old wine could run notepad.exe which might be seen as interesting on an arm linux phone :) | 05:52 |
| villager | if qemu supports 16-bit segmentation on arm, I guess | 05:53 |
| villager | I wouldn't consider notepad interesting though | 05:54 |
| villager | Damion2: perhaps you'll have to join the qemu devs to make it work... I considered it, but found other interesting stuff to do with the phone instead | 05:54 |
| Matthew- | well if someone is interested in running bloomberg, you can find it there: | 05:55 |
| Matthew- | http://www.inerd.me/ | 05:55 |
| Damion2 | villager: yeah might have to join wine and qemu ML | 05:56 |
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| Damion2 | your username rings a bell | 05:56 |
| Damion2 | distant bell, probably from comp.blah...wine | 05:57 |
| villager | could also be from debian | 05:57 |
| Damion2 | no | 05:58 |
| Damion2 | I always ignored debian. Too full of ranters with tin foil hats hugging trees and being vegetarian | 05:59 |
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| villager | I must have missed that part of it, but then I don't usually pay attention to all the chitchat in debian either | 06:00 |
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| kamui__ | oh yea!~ | 06:04 |
| kamui__ | freegin awesome! | 06:04 |
| kamui__ | bootlooping :) | 06:04 |
| kamui__ | well, I've been meaning to redo the phone anyway | 06:04 |
| kamui__ | sheeit | 06:04 |
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| DantonicN900 | cpu usage is high when playing ogg vorbis is that normal | 06:09 |
| DantonicN900 | n900 gets warm and battery drains | 06:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kamui__: which point does it loop? (5 dots. Or even while rendering normal desktop). Any idea what caused it? | 06:18 |
| kamui__ | lol | 06:20 |
| kamui__ | yes | 06:20 |
| kamui__ | and no | 06:20 |
| kamui__ | no and yes | 06:20 |
| kamui__ | it loops at the nokia screen before any dots iirc | 06:20 |
| kamui__ | and it was caused by a poorly relinked /usr/share | 06:20 |
| kamui__ | I knew that was risky business with pyoptifty | 06:20 |
| kamui__ | but I figured if this didn't work I was reformatting and reflashing anyway | 06:20 |
| villager | DantonicN900: they probably haven't optimized the ogg decoder for arm, so uses a bit more cpu than needed? | 06:21 |
| ShadowJK | ffmpeg's vorbis decoder is on par with nokia's mp3 decoder iirc | 06:23 |
| ShadowJK | http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2009/11/07/n900-battery-duration-ogg-vs-mp3/ | 06:23 |
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| greenfly | where are the contacts stored on the n900 file system? | 06:27 |
| Damion2 | I don't listen to much, so mp3 -> wav would work and I assume/hope is quite efficient | 06:27 |
| Matthew- | guys, are emails/contacts/sms in rootfs? | 06:27 |
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| ShadowJK | i think it's in home | 06:28 |
| Damion2 | more likely /home/user/.something or /home/user/MyDocs/.something | 06:28 |
| Damion2 | but I don't know | 06:28 |
| greenfly | I was hoping someone in here knew for sure | 06:29 |
| greenfly | I guessed /home/user as well, but I'm starting to have my doubts | 06:29 |
| Damion2 | using / is unlikely, and was an old annoyance on S60 with small C: | 06:29 |
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| Matthew- | kk thx | 06:29 |
| Damion2 | gah it's 04:30am :( | 06:29 |
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| kamui__ | anyone repartitioned the N900 | 06:31 |
| kamui__ | Im curious if they made their opt space bigger | 06:31 |
| pupnik | regulatory purgatory | 06:31 |
| kamui__ | and if it affected the 1.1 upgrade | 06:31 |
| kamui__ | hi pupnik! | 06:31 |
| kamui__ | aswesome news | 06:31 |
| kamui__ | my N900 is bootlooping | 06:31 |
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| pupnik | morning | 06:32 |
| greenfly | fwiw, I'm very close to getting a functioning encrypted fs set up so all personal settings are on the encrypted volume | 06:32 |
| greenfly | but it appears like some settings (like contacts and possibly the location of widgets on the desktop) might not be stored under /home/user | 06:32 |
| greenfly | so if anyone happens to have any insight on those things in particular, it would save me a lot of trouble | 06:33 |
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| greenfly | does the user truly use the /var/lib/gconf/ databases? | 06:33 |
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| kamui__ | wow | 06:47 |
| kamui__ | I reflashed my phone | 06:47 |
| kamui__ | took under 1 minute | 06:47 |
| kamui__ | amazing | 06:47 |
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| villager | ShadowJK: and are they using the ffmpeg ogg decoder yet? doesn't seem to, looks like still using libogg | 06:57 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 06:58 |
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| greenfly | nevermind, I figured it out. Looks like contacts are in /home/user but desktop widget locations and some other settings were in fact in /var/lib/gconf | 07:06 |
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| pupnik | i'd like the charging meter to show the rate | 07:09 |
| ShadowJK | What charging meter.. | 07:10 |
| pupnik | the battery icon | 07:10 |
| pupnik | in my sleep i ripped out the charger again, now it's a very dodgy connection :( | 07:11 |
| kamui__ | roh nopes | 07:11 |
| pupnik | http://barebox.org/documentation/barebox-2009.12.0/dev_omap_arch.html Texas Instrument's OMAP Platforms in barebox // a bootloader perhaps useful to maemo/mer? | 07:13 |
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