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| darodi | hi guys | 00:45 |
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| darodi | i was planning to migrate from multiboot to u-boot... then i read this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1344957&postcount=2 | 00:46 |
| darodi | It's totaly useless when booted from u-boot (no wifi, battery meter, charging...) | 00:46 |
| darodi | is it true? any one with nitroid switched to uboot here? | 00:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | darodi: | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >> | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | To instal kernel you have to: | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mount /home /and | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | << | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no more to say. All that stuff looks completely gibberish to me. I don't think I could install anything useful following those instructions, and I usually know my way around unix/linux | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas I can't help about your original question, since I never touched nitdroid - sorry. Installing uBoot on N900 is not that hard, it even tries to convert/migrate existing multiboot/bootmenu entries | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | God gracious, this stuff makes my eyes bleed! | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bzip2 -d N12_UMay.tar.bz2 cd / | 01:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mount /home /and | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cd /and | 01:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | despite the whole thing is tagged "PHP code:" I think they really mean it | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the bzip and mount parameters make no sense to me | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except somebody did a damn good job to obfuscate stuff | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wouldn't hope bzip2 takes a COMMAND "cd" as parameter | 01:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and I never heard of a device /and you could mount to /home, for whatever purpose | 01:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if that's a bindmount that it should need more parameters | 01:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | at least --bind | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even worse, mount syntax is >>mount [-fnrsvw] [-t vfstype] [-o options] device dir<< so the device was /home which for sure is no device on any linux I ever seen | 01:45 |
| rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: perhaps that's why people have been filling up their rootfses? | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol, I can't even figure what might happen when trying to follow that instruction | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, have a look at this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1346033#post1346033 for a laugh or a cry, depending on your mood | 01:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | of course "cd" *might* be a filename for bzip2, but honestly who names his file "cd" ? | 01:51 |
| rikanee | sigh, that entire thread is just sad. | 01:51 |
| rikanee | ~rtfm | 01:51 |
| infobot | from memory, rtfm is Read The F*cking Manual (TM). It is a suggestion to do your homework before posting a question. Sometimes used as RTFM $SPECIFIC_MANUAL to refer to a specific source of information. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or it is a option parameter to bzip2 with a typo: -cd | 01:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but then I'm afraid user wouldn't have any joy in watching the decompressed output spamming his stdout | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only explanation is that a newline is missing, but then the bzip2 cmd makes no sense without parameters | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooor the whole shit is some extremely nifty PHP code indeed, that I simply fail to grok | 01:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in te end I'd fail to enter the green "/" anyway X-D | 01:54 |
| rikanee | DocScrutinizer05: they simply forgot to include exec(); | 01:54 |
| rikanee | ;) | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy android. Too complicated for me ;-P | 01:57 |
| darodi | mount /home /and is just a bind as you say ...never seen that syntax before | 01:58 |
| darodi | i think i'll just remove nitdroid and go for uboot. i'm using maemo 99% of the time and just reboot to nitdroid when my wife desesperately needs to play a stupid game :P | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, maybe get her a cheap droidfon | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | darodi: make sure you boot to maemo, so multiboot cleans up its shit | 02:04 |
| darodi | well... she also has a n900 with a gamegripper but pollutes mine with nitdroid :)) | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (proper kernel modules and kernel flashed - yes, multiboot *flashes* kernel on each boot) | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then you should have no problems installing most recent uBoot | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and if you're lucky, uBoot will be able to boot into android on uSD out of the box | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if not, I think the tweaks needed to uBoot config files and maybe android fs on uSD are minimal | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you might need to get the kernel uimage of android kernel and put it somewhere from where uBoot can load it | 02:08 |
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| darodi | are there pre-made uimage already or do i need to convert the vmlinuz kernel to uimage? | 02:14 |
| darodi | i'll have a look in the nitdroid forums | 02:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there are pre-built uimages for about everything | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask Pali, he should know a lot more about all that stuff - after all he's maintainer of uBoot | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, lemme try sth... | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~uboot | 02:24 |
| infobot | N900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmpf, thought there might be an URL to a proper wiki/tmo page about uBoot and how-to-install | 02:25 |
| Pali | if you put linux (z)image to /boot or /opt/boot it will be automatically converted to uimage format by u-boot-update-bootmenu | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow | 02:25 |
| Pali | and stored in MyDocs | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | scary :-> | 02:25 |
| darodi | Pali: thanks for the info | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: seems Nokia never will fix that signing key issue | 02:29 |
| Pali | did you got any new email? | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: should we get rip-offs of the Nokia repos and publish a tool to patch the catalogs? | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no new mail | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe even a fiasco image with patched catalogs list | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the run our own core repos | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then* | 02:30 |
| darodi | Pali: i have cssuthumb and kp 51 in nand right now. should i reboot to omap1 before uninstalling multiboot? | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ohohoh | 02:31 |
| Pali | 15.5 I got email from Mikko that he going to fix it | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-o | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | darodi: a thumbified system will crash on a non-thumb-enabled kernel | 02:31 |
| darodi | that's what i thought | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas uBoot comes with stock kernel | 02:32 |
| darodi | uhmf | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so installing uBoot on a thombified system is quite tricky - you easily end in a reboot loop | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you basically have to make sure that your uBoot can boot from a powerkernel uimage before you install uBoot | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise you end up with a system with uBoot and stock kernel that can't boot up to fix it any easy way | 02:34 |
| Pali | I will write to Mikko if he is really going to fix it or not | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | make sure you have the right "To:" ;-) | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and maybe add council to CC | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for sure council wants to help on that issue | 02:36 |
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| darodi | DocScrutinizer05: so... to summarize | 03:26 |
| darodi | 1. uninstall multiboot | 03:26 |
| darodi | 2. install uboot | 03:26 |
| darodi | 3. upgrade kp51 to kp52 | 03:26 |
| darodi | 4. create bootmenu items | 03:26 |
| darodi | 5. run update boot menu | 03:26 |
| darodi | 6. reboot | 03:26 |
| darodi | i am right? | 03:26 |
| darodi | 0. backup everything :P | 03:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, to me that lloks good, but that doesn't mean a thing. I'm no expert | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though... upgrade KP nukes uBoot | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need to install KP-uimage | 03:30 |
| darodi | that's what i meant with the point 3 | 03:32 |
| darodi | install uimages for kp and create valid bootmenu items | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the idea is that uBoot loads different uImages depending on kernel you want to boot. But the one "built-in" kernel that ships with uBoot is a stock maemo kernel that doesn't work with thumb. So you need the kp52-uimage in place before you install uBoot | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/install/flash/ | 03:34 |
| darodi | I guess I found something to do tomorrow | 03:35 |
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| darodi | thanks again DocScrutinizer05 | 03:48 |
| darodi | good night every one | 03:48 |
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| hell | hi, folks | 09:40 |
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| hell | does anybody affiliated with repository.maemo.org present? | 09:41 |
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| divVerent | before I waste 30minutes to code my own: is there already an "align to grid" tool for hildon-desktop? | 12:29 |
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| divVerent | if not - it looks like I'll do it as shell script then | 12:29 |
| joga | hmm, I think some theme manager thingy allowed to configure grid snap... | 12:34 |
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| joga | divVerent, I have something in Settings called Theme Customizer (I forget the package name), it allows to define the snap etc | 12:35 |
| divVerent | odd, as there is no gconf setting for that | 12:36 |
| divVerent | wonder where it sets that then :) | 12:37 |
| joga | dunno :) but I have it set on 8 pixels and when I drag stuff around they align themselves according to that | 12:37 |
| divVerent | OH, so maybe the snap size is part of the theme | 12:38 |
| divVerent | that'd explain why I don't find it in gconf | 12:38 |
| divVerent | thanks, that did it | 12:39 |
| divVerent | no snap to grid shell script then :) | 12:40 |
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| Macer | ok. i thought the old ibm mechanical keyboard was cool up until i realized how much noise it makes when you type | 12:50 |
| Macer | i wonder if i can find custom keys for it heh | 12:50 |
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| joga | some of my more special keyboards have this 'plunk' sound they make when you release a key, it sorta echoes inside it also | 12:58 |
| joga | hard to type quietly with those :) | 12:58 |
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| Apic | A wonderful splendid Towel Day. | 14:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Apic: a wonderful (UGT) good morning | 16:14 |
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| Apic | tnx | 16:15 |
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| divVerent | BTW, just saw with NetStory... I need only about 100 MB per month of mobile traffic with the N900 | 16:31 |
| divVerent | by setting it to only use mobule internet when asked to | 16:31 |
| divVerent | good it has options to e.g. only | 16:32 |
| divVerent | check email on wifi automatically, and such | 16:32 |
| divVerent | iPhone in same usage pattern took about 500 MB | 16:32 |
| divVerent | 100 MB however only due to Opera's Turbo server... otherwise it'd be about 200 MB | 16:32 |
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