IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2010-09-03

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DocScrutinizerlcuk: (sudser) it's as sophisticated as *#-enabler - a 5liner postinstall. The question isn't how/who to test it on m5/n900, the concerns are if it's a basically god or evil idea to allow root without password00:01
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DocScrutinizer( *** Stskeeps setzt Modus: +b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.198.) THANKS00:03
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ZogGDocScrutinizer why?00:04
ZogGi log in from webgate sometimes00:04
DocScrutinizerN900*a and certain IPs is a guaranteed PITA00:05
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ZogGso?00:05
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lcukDocScrutinizer, we have kernels which can overclock the device00:06
DocScrutinizerthis dude is trolling here since months, and I thought "WTF?! him again?" while reading backscroll, before I ran into Stskeeps taking care of it. So I don't have to do00:06
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ZogGDocScrutinizer, that's true00:06
ZogGi'm the troll king here00:07
ZogGlet's keep it like that00:07
DocScrutinizerso, as I'm not really here (you just think I am)... cya, I know channel is cosy and warm00:07
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ZogGshe is damn hot00:09
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TiagoTiagofuck fuck fuck fuck fuck Dx00:16
TiagoTiagostorage format not supported00:17
steinexabout getting an invisible shield on the n900...00:17
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TiagoTiagoi hadn't even got to 1 Ghz, but is seems it was enough to screw the internal memory Dx00:17
steinexsomeone from germany that can tell me a shop who _does_ it?00:17
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ZogGTiagoTiago ?00:18
TiagoTiagosomthing went wrong with my N90000:19
keriotrumee: if someone ports it00:19
ZogGreboot00:19
kerioit's opensource and it uses opengl00:19
kerioit's also huge00:19
TiagoTiagoon every reboot it gets worse00:19
TiagoTiagonow even the textures for the pin entry keypad are missing00:19
SpeedEvilHave you reflashed to stock kernel?00:19
kerioand since it's a fps, it's really not playable without fullsize kbd+mouse00:19
SpeedEvilAt stock speed?00:19
TiagoTiagothe fonts are missing00:20
TiagoTiagoi had OC'd to 90000:20
keriofucked up /opt/ then00:20
keriooh00:20
keriohope you fucked up /opt/00:20
trumeekerio, with a ps3 controller?00:20
keriotrumee: you... you play FPSes with a controller?00:20
kerioBURN IN HELL00:20
TiagoTiagoany way i can fix this without having to reinstall everything?00:20
steinexi never understood why people are overclocking in first place... it's a magnet for bricking and does nothing more than drain your battery more.00:21
SpeedEvilOverclocking can cause massive filesystem corruption.00:21
kerioSpeedEvil: huh?00:21
trumeekerio, nope never played an fps with a controller.00:21
keriohow?00:21
SpeedEvilkerio: What do you mean how.00:21
TiagoTiagoisn't iut supposed to make battery last longer? It make thing be done is less time, and it uses lower voltages and stuff00:21
steinextommorrow people are installing gentoo on n900, compiling everything to squeeze out the last ms or smsthng.00:21
kerioSpeedEvil: must be one hell of a cpu fuckup00:21
SpeedEvilkerio: 2+2=5 - and suddenly your filesystem gets a whole lort more surreal.00:21
trumeekerio, but sixaxis would be better than N900 keyb00:22
steinexi mean - wtf :D00:22
greenflysteinex: probably more accurate to say tomorrow they are /starting/ to install it :)00:22
TiagoTiago:(00:22
GAN900SpeedEvil, Surrealist FS is so much more fun, though.00:22
kerioSpeedEvil: we need a quantistic filesystem00:23
keriothat's always in a entangled state of consistant and inconsistant00:23
keriotrumee: hmm00:23
TiagoTiagois i manage to acess it with ssh, is there a checkdisk or somthign i can run?00:23
keriogamegripper + stylus to aim?00:23
keriothat's the only thing i can think of00:24
keriobut then you can't shoot00:24
kerio:(00:24
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keriomeh, game gripper + bt mouse00:24
steinexTiagoTiago: long story short - if you reboot at normal speed and things are still screwed you most probably screwed your device.00:24
TiagoTiago:(00:24
kerioTiagoTiago: hmm00:25
keriothe fs is definetely fucked00:25
steinexTiagoTiago: i really hope a reflash will fix it, but i doubt it00:25
kerioso reflash00:25
TiagoTiagoDx00:25
keriowhy wouldn't it fix stuff00:25
kerioit's not like he fucked up the eMMC00:25
TiagoTiagoif the damage was physical00:25
keriohe temporarily fucked up the cpu00:25
keriohope it will go back to normal00:25
kerioand DON'T OVERCLOCK00:25
drizztbsdtomorrow I will charge the battery using the hardware-lab power source, with 3.7 v and 900mA00:26
TiagoTiagoi hate how there are those scary warnings and yet people all keep trying to push others to do it too :(00:26
kerioTiagoTiago: it's because we're looking for lab rats00:27
Arkenoidamn i do not have working google sync solution anymore. first m.google.com stopped working for me, now nuevasync is all fscked up00:27
TiagoTiagois there any chance i'll not have to reinswtall everything?00:28
kerioTiagoTiago: probably not00:28
kerio*this* kind of fuckup is only solved by a full reinstall00:28
TiagoTiago:(00:28
keriobecause really, you don't have a way to check *what* has been lost00:28
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TiagoTiagowhy i can't run a chkdisk to fix the fs?00:29
lcukok TiagoTiago, just open x-term and run fsck00:29
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TiagoTiagois it jsut gonna tell me it can't do it, or is it gonna fuck things up even worse?00:30
lcukidk, i thought you couldnt even bootup00:30
TiagoTiagoi can, but the font i9s gone, it's all squares00:30
TiagoTiagoi can access via SSH though00:30
lcukyou have lost your /opt partition then00:30
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lcukthen go and see whats there00:31
lcuksee if mydocs is etc00:31
TiagoTiagopymaemo and nothign else last i checked00:31
lcukmydocs is most important i would imagine00:31
lcuksince thats where your data is00:31
TiagoTiagobooting up again to see if fsck works00:32
lcukwell see if the folderrs exist first00:32
lcukits missing a mount00:32
lcuki didnt think you could get in00:32
TiagoTiagoi shut it down cause i remember reading that file system keeps rotating the files around and would continuously fuck thigns more and more once somthing goes wrong00:32
lcukwell you overclocking has already done that really00:33
TiagoTiagoinside /opt it only has pymaemo00:34
TiagoTiagoMyDocs seems to be intact00:34
TiagoTiagoat least it is there and has many files and folders inside00:35
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lcukTiagoTiago, a suggestion: back them up00:35
TiagoTiagohow?00:36
lcukyou have ssh00:36
TiagoTiagoyep00:36
lcukdo you have usb00:36
TiagoTiagook00:36
TiagoTiagoi'm connecting via wifi though00:36
lcukbut really, your device is being odd00:36
lcukyou still have access to it00:36
TiagoTiago:(00:36
lcukplug it into usb00:36
lcukand see if mydocs mounts through00:36
lcukand copy that way00:36
* lcuk actually ponders where the mount has gone00:37
TiagoTiagocrap, it rebooted when i pluged the USB00:37
mgedmininteresting00:37
lcuktry it when you arent in the mydocs folder using ssh00:37
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lcukhey marius00:38
mgedmin/opt is a symlink to /home/opt; /home is an ext2 partition, /home/MyDocs is a vfat partition00:38
mgedminif /home is damaged, the /home/MyDocs mountpoint might not exist00:38
lcukmgedmin, he just said there were contents00:38
mgedminso even if all the documents are safe, they may not be accessible immediatelly00:38
lcuki was going to ask to check /home/opt00:38
lcuksince his /opt has reverted to a normal folder by the looks (pymaemo repopulates afaik00:39
mgedminI think /opt shouldn't affect things like fonts and textures00:39
lcukit does00:39
lcukspecifically00:39
mgedmincustom themes?00:39
TiagoTiagono, the default one00:39
mgedminor base system moving stuff there?00:39
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lcukhttp://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime/blobs/master/maemo-optify-auto-opt.conf#line2000:39
* mgedmin wants a desktop widget with a button "GO ONLINE NOW"00:39
lcukmgedmin, pr1.2 optify boottime00:40
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mgedmin(without giving me a list of connections, if any of the saved ones are available)00:40
lcukmgedmin, hmm00:41
mgedmintap-wait-tap-wait-wait-wait-tap is kinda annoying00:41
mgedminI'd rather just tap-wait00:41
lcukyou mean like triggering the "auto reconnect after every n minutes"00:41
lcukfor a one shot event00:41
mgedminmore like triggering the "auto connect because the user tried to open a web page"00:41
lcukmgedmin, auto reconnect will move to my home wifi when i get home00:41
lcukor wifi at other places00:42
mgedminI disabled auto reconnect, I think00:42
lcukwithout asking00:42
mgedminit did wonders to my battery life00:42
lcukyes, i gather00:42
mgedminso now I'm reluctant to reenable it00:42
lcukbut your button should trigger that action00:42
lcukonce only00:42
mgedminyes00:42
mgedminmy use case: I want to ssh in00:42
lcukunderstood totally00:42
Jaffamgedmin: Just have a www.google.com link bookmark on your desktop00:42
lcukJaffa, it asks for network00:43
JaffaOr a bookmark to a page which shows, in big friendly letters, GO ONLINE NOW00:43
Jaffalcuk: Not if a saved connection is available00:43
mgedmintap-wait-wait-wait-wait-wait-tap-to-close-browser-window != tap-wait00:43
lcuki have about 10 saved connections00:43
lcukit always asks00:43
mgedminheh, bookmargin http://istheinternetup.com would be a nifty idea00:43
lcukheh00:44
mgedminwhat do you mean, a parking page?00:44
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TiagoTiagonow when i plug the USB nothign is happeneing :(00:44
mgedmindid it expire?00:44
mgedminI loved that domain and the big friendly letters saying "YES" :(00:45
lcukTiagoTiago,00:45
keriosomeone should really reregister it00:45
keriosrsly00:45
lcukthen just unplug usb and use wifi00:45
TiagoTiagoi haven't managed to set up the file sharing over network yet (i have WinXP on my desktop machine)00:45
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lcukTiagoTiago, winscp00:46
keriomgedmin: we still have http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/00:46
TiagoTiagoah. ft´. pl00:46
TiagoTiagoah, ftp, ok00:46
mgedminso, /home/opt is bind-mounted on /opt nowadays00:46
mgedmininteresting00:46
TiagoTiagostuff gonna take ages to download via wifi :(00:46
lcukand TiagoTiago when you do reconnect to ssh, just tell us whats inside /home/opt00:46
TiagoTiagoa folder called pymaemo00:46
kerioas interesting as cancer00:47
lcukhm00:47
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TiagoTiagohow do i use fsck to try to recover opt?00:49
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mgedminTiagoTiago, don't00:49
TiagoTiagowhy not?00:49
mgedminfirst run dmesg, see if there are any filesystem errors00:50
lcukit wont recover00:50
lcukthe contents are gone00:50
lcukand replaced00:50
lcukif /home/opt doesnt contain the right stuff00:50
lcuknowhere will00:50
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DocScrutinizer51yap00:53
TiagoTiagocan't the right data still be there but the file system is simply not pointing tot he right place?00:54
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TiagoTiagothe result from demesg http://pastebin.com/W94bNCYX00:55
lcukTiagoTiago, pastebin contents of /var/log/maemo-optify-boottime.log00:56
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DocScrutinizer51tnhings like 'stale NFS' are equal to wontfix/reflash in my book00:56
TiagoTiagohttp://pastebin.com/SXFg0qDE00:57
lcukok ta00:58
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lcuki notice you have a memory card btw00:58
lcukyou may be able to copy mydocs contents onto it00:58
lcukthat last one tells nothing unfortunately00:59
TiagoTiagoi don't have one 0.000:59
lcukhow did you get into this state00:59
MohammadAG51muhahaha00:59
lcukdoh yeah thats swap partition, my tired eyes too00:59
lcuklooks like wifi00:59
TiagoTiagomy guess is by succumbing to peer pressure and OC'ing to 90001:00
TiagoTiagoi noticed there were not respositories in HAM so i shut down and back on, and things got worse on each new boot01:01
TiagoTiagothere were no*01:01
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TiagoTiagois there a way i can trigger the USB mass storage mode with a command via SSH?01:02
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lcukdoubtful, if action of plugging in usb cable reboots it..01:03
TiagoTiagonow it isn't doing anything01:03
lcuki wonder what would happen if you replaced contents of /home/opt with a folder taken from a clean device01:04
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* lcuk will have to try that01:05
mgedminwell, normally reflashing doesn't erase MyDocs01:05
TiagoTiagowould be almost as bad as reflashing01:05
lcukyou have to reflash01:05
mgedminso you should get all the builtin apps in / and on first boot maemo-optify-boottime would move the right stuff to /home/opt01:05
mgedminjust don't reflash the eMMC, that would erase MyDocs01:05
lcukthats what happens mg01:05
lcukyes ahh mgedmin of course :) main rootfs image only and see whether it does its work01:06
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lcukbut if it was me with device in this state i would copy off first01:06
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TiagoTiagoius the /opt partition gonna be remade?01:07
lcukwe dont know01:07
lcuki would say, assume no01:07
lcukand backup while you can :)01:07
* lcuk is a data pessamist01:08
TiagoTiagoa, great, the page to download the image is asking me for the code under the battery, will have to start copying stuff over all over again, or waittill it's done01:08
lcukwait till done01:08
TiagoTiagois there a way i can check whether the current /opt is pointing to the right place?01:08
TiagoTiagovia SSH01:09
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lcukcheck output of mount01:09
wazdhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/09/02/shocker-googles-android-logo-boosted-from-atari-lynx-title-ga/01:09
TiagoTiagojust type mount?01:09
wazdbusted :)01:09
lcukyes01:09
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lcukwazd, r2d2 is also going to sue01:10
Arkenoitried syncevolution, no luck as well. m.google.com/sync says device not supported01:10
TiagoTiagoit only says /home/opt is pointing to /opt01:11
wazdlcuk: well, r2d2 does not have antenas or eyes :) Or arms :)01:11
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TiagoTiagohe does have telescopic limbs though01:11
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lcukwazd, theres realistically only a few ways to draw an android01:12
TiagoTiagooh, talking about the logo, nvm01:12
wazdlcuk: well, that's clearly a copy :) Even eyes are in the same places :)01:12
lcukomg!01:13
wazdlcuk: not that much exact copy to sue anyone but still :)01:13
lcukandroid shaped things look like androids!01:13
TiagoTiagonot exactly01:13
jacekowskiis there anything worth seeing in bergen in norway?01:13
TiagoTiagoalso,. the line is in a different height, the antennas are straight and not curved, and the bottom is rounded square isntead of plain round01:14
lcukhttp://newsodrome.com/body_art_news/andrea-s-awesome-android-art-r2d2-tattoo-11588013.jpg01:14
jacekowskiassuming that i would go there for a weekend01:14
TiagoTiago91201:14
wazdlcuk: btw, any bipedal "human like" mech is an android :)01:14
TiagoTiago912 files left*01:14
wazdlcuk: so there are unlimited ways to draw an android :)01:15
TiagoTiagoThey could have gone with Asimo01:15
wazdlcuk: http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/4/17/28041_sm-Android%20assassin.jpg01:16
wazdlcuk: for example :)01:16
TiagoTiagoi can't get prduct id via ssh?01:16
jacekowskiyes01:17
jacekowskifrom cal01:17
jacekowskiwell, i can01:17
jacekowskibut i'm not sure if there is software for it01:17
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TiagoTiagoi just type cal?01:18
TiagoTiagocrap, rebooted :(01:19
lcukwhat does the maemo or meego icon look like01:19
lcukdescribe it to someone01:19
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TiagoTiagohm, is iit an lower case A biting a lower case E?01:20
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TiagoTiagogreat, product code not being accepted01:21
lcuksearching google images for maemo gives obvious maemo typefaced logo with the ae joined together and a yellow e01:22
lcuksearching google images for meego shows nothing01:22
lcukfor meego the os01:22
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TiagoTiagoah, there01:22
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lcukmeego meegos are the default hit http://markitup.com/Data/Images/FranksMeegoPyramid.jpg01:23
ieatlintsomeone needs to find the marketing team that came up with that name and hurt them01:24
lcukand walkter meego (whoever he is) features quite a lot01:24
lcukhttp://windishagency.com/assets/4704/Walter_Meego_-_BPM_-__91E28.jpg01:24
lcukthe maemo one is ok, it couldv been bettter with an icon01:24
lcukbut the ae works01:24
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ieatlintyeah, maemo could've done better with a logo or some sort of mascot01:26
lcukwe had a maemo mascot competition01:26
TiagoTiagois there a way i can boot the N900 directly into mass storage mode?01:26
lcukloads of great entries01:26
lcukTiagoTiago, normally just plugging it into usb when its "off" works01:27
lcukbut your device is borkened a bit01:27
ieatlintuh, what won then?01:27
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lcukidk we were just throwing ideas out01:28
lcukill find the thread01:28
chadihi. I want to try nitdroid. should I get an external memory card or install in built in memory?01:28
lcuksorry, not competition, proposal01:29
lcukhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=2896501:29
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chadiand what class of memory cards is the built in emmc?01:30
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lcukhttp://maemo-daemons.org/maemo_al1.png01:31
lcuka texrat idea01:31
lcuk:D01:31
lcukieatlint, have a look and make some noise about it01:31
lcukbring thread back to life actually :P01:31
ieatlintmeh.. a maemo mascot would have to be a tad self deprecating i think01:32
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TiagoTiagowhy?01:32
ieatlinthumour and humility01:33
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lcukieatlint, then look through01:33
lcuktheres some serious ones01:33
lcukand not so serious01:33
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ieatlintyeah, i see a raccoon one that appears to be serious01:33
lcukthat theme stuck for many pages01:34
ieatlintonly if i get to shout "damn coons"01:34
lcukdamn, its threads like this that we should have picture thumbnail viewer for01:34
lcukclick a thread and see all thumbs of all images within thread01:34

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