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| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: I need some more of them pills, please | 01:52 |
|---|---|---|
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | What now? | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lost my sense of humour somewhere between e*_ drama, trolls on IRC, flu, and CSSU | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though probably nobody else ever seen it, I'm missing my sense of humor a lot :-/ | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Haha | 01:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | Take a break. | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to come back in 2 weeks to notice they still haven't managed to add me to council@maemo.org? MEH! | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while requesting I should organize sysadm team | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | TZZZ! | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we still haven't even a *date* to appoint chair | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and metalist traceur is MIA | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | screwit | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly wonder why and for whom I'm doing all this | 01:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | First and foremost you have to do it for yourself | 02:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Because you're invested in the community. | 02:02 |
| kolp | Hmm, I can't seem to calibrate my PolarCell battery. It switches off around 3340mAh every time, way before EDV1 is set to 1 | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kolp: try http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh | 02:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | kerio: you need to stop BME. | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw 3340mAh sounds odd | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | kolp: | 02:05 |
| kolp | DocScrutinizer05: Will do, thanks | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | indeed | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | either you meant mV | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | unless it's massive | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or your bq27200 is seriously decalibrated | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | or that | 02:06 |
| kolp | It was around that when I last looked at the screen. A few seconds later it died | 02:06 |
| kolp | Errm, mV | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC it was 3040 that it its down at | 02:06 |
| * kolp hides | 02:06 | |
| SpeedEvil | shutsmdown | 02:07 |
| kolp | 3248, I think | 02:07 |
| SpeedEvil | oh, that rings a bell | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 0x78: 150 SEDV1 Scaled EDV1 Threshold R/W | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | +0x100)*8 = 3248 mV (@ 6.25%) | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kolp: but yes, as SpeedEvil already said, it's basically all about `stop bme` | 02:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | it will rarely, at least on some devices calibrate with bme awake | 02:10 |
| kolp | Yes, I'm reading that script atm | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil | but it's rare | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | depends on rate of discharge, and battery age | 02:11 |
| kolp | Ok, thanks, I'll keep it running over night | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fvghgtfrde Fdesfggtfrdefgtfrde <blowthestate@yhaoo.com> --- MYYY | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | AAAAAS | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if I wasn't such a nice polize person, I'd say any ban is deserved for the nick/addr alone | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | polite* | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually I'd nuke my spam assassin for not filtering such "from:" | 02:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | moos back | 02:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anybody with a linguistic background here? could you do a correlation in speech used (like words, grammar, typos etc) between "fvghgtfrde Fdesfggtfrdefgtfrde" and "twilight312" ? | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess there are tools for that, just I don't know nor have them | 02:29 |
| Hurrian | god damn, the mailing list is /toxic/ | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 02:29 |
| merlin1991 | Hurrian: :nod: | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I feel so sick | 02:29 |
| Hurrian | I mean seriously, a member getting banned and posts pulled? | 02:29 |
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| Hurrian | That affects way more than the dramatists. Important info may have been pulled. | 02:30 |
| Hurrian | This kills the community. | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if the member has such a nick, and acts like astel, swears like estel, and uses same IP as estel, then... yes, banned and posts revoked | 02:30 |
| Hurrian | Letsee? I remember misterc was the one complaining though. | 02:31 |
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| Hurrian | In any case, I don't want anything to do with any of it. | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-11-13 01:18:58] <DocScrutinizer05> fvghgtfrde Fdesfggtfrdefgtfrde <blowthestate@yhaoo.com> --- MYYY AAAAAS <DocScrutinizer05> if I wasn't such a nice polize person, I'd say any ban is deserved for the nick/addr alone | 02:31 |
| Hurrian | It's all nasty. | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I see manly one single person killing community, in name of nobody else killing community, since this community of idiots... err nope he actually didn't say that | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mainly* | 02:33 |
| Hurrian | God damn, this isn't the time for drama. We're edging ever closer to 12/31, and the house of cards is falling down. | 02:33 |
| kolp | Which mailing list is that? | 02:34 |
| FIQ | of course wiki is down when you need it :p | 02:34 |
| FIQ | reboot, i want ttf-dejavu | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, while said person is bitchng about everybody trying to do his work | 02:34 |
| Hurrian | kolp, the maemo.org mailing list | 02:34 |
| * cjdavies has successfully dismantled & cleaned his N900, reflashed, rooted, CCSU'd, bash'd & backed up :) | 02:34 | |
| cjdavies | only slight mishap was mangling one of the screws so I couldn't properly dismantle the screen | 02:34 |
| cjdavies | (& never will be able to do so in the future) | 02:35 |
| cjdavies | ah well | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cjdavies: you make my day | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 02:35 |
| cjdavies | DocScrutinizer05: <3 | 02:35 |
| cjdavies | got a bit of a fright when I actually tested it with a SIM, as soon as it booted it rang | 02:36 |
| cjdavies | kinda Matrix style, where he gets the phone in the envelope | 02:36 |
| cjdavies | y'see I don't get many calls | 02:36 |
| FIQ | lol :P | 02:36 |
| FIQ | phew, now I can actually read text on xchat | 02:37 |
| * FIQ doesn't like the default monospace font at all | 02:37 | |
| Hurrian | cjdavies, stripped the head? | 02:37 |
| cjdavies | Hurrian: yup :( | 02:37 |
| cjdavies | they were in there with a ridiculous amount of torque for such small/weak heads | 02:37 |
| cjdavies | almost seems like they never intended them to be taken out | 02:38 |
| cjdavies | I can always drill it out if needs be | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: maybe you like my settings then: (dafaq!!! maemo.org wiki has a problem) | 02:38 |
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| FIQ | should really take care of microusb issue, preferably before next mandatory reflash | 02:38 |
| FIQ | (if there is one incoming, that is) | 02:38 |
| FIQ | but until then.. usable n900! | 02:39 |
| cjdavies | right, now I can get down to the important stuff - like changing the wallpaper! | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 02:39 |
| FIQ | :P | 02:39 |
| FIQ | I switched to a blank wallpaper on desktop | 02:40 |
| FIQ | as I don't use it at all | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cjdavies: a kind advice, stay away from leet stuff like live wallpapers, weird desktop widgets and the like | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and possibly don't use skype | 02:40 |
| cjdavies | DocScrutinizer05: you're talking to a guy who uses a tiling WM on most of his desktops/laptops ;) | 02:40 |
| cjdavies | I only use Skype on my Nexus 7, I don't trust it on any of my other machines unless running in a chroot/VM | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reasonable approach | 02:41 |
| Hurrian | FIQ, you still reflash with flasher? ;) | 02:42 |
| Hurrian | Backupmenu or RescueOS rootfs reloads are the way to go. | 02:42 |
| FIQ | Hurrian: I.. I... | 02:42 |
| FIQ | I had backupmenu ._. | 02:42 |
| Hurrian | Do you have U-Boot? | 02:43 |
| FIQ | i was stuck on a galaxy gio when I didn't have a functioning n900 (well, still have to use it for calls but not otherwise), while it technically had same (even better) specs as n900, it lagged hundred times more | 02:43 |
| Hurrian | You gotta have u-boot. | 02:43 |
| FIQ | and it didn't have a keyboard :( | 02:43 |
| FIQ | Hurrian: yeah I figured out | 02:43 |
| cjdavies | So, this thing is a resistive touchscreen right? Do people actually use a stylus, or get by with fingernail, or actually attempt to use fingers? | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: suggesting uBoot to a guy with a N900 with broken USB is kinda like suggesting freeclimbing to the lame | 02:44 |
| cjdavies | mine didn't come with a stylus :( | 02:44 |
| FIQ | :p | 02:44 |
| cjdavies | makes me think back to my PalmOS days | 02:44 |
| FIQ | cjdavies: I have a stylus | 02:44 |
| FIQ | But I don't use it | 02:44 |
| FIQ | If you lived nearby I would honestly just give mine to you, but well.. you don't :P | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cjdavies: usually fingernail | 02:45 |
| cjdavies | I don't live where my IP is btw ;) | 02:45 |
| FIQ | that's what I use | 02:45 |
| FIQ | fingernails ftw | 02:45 |
| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05, not really, at least you can load kernels before any Maemo parts run ;) | 02:45 |
| Hurrian | cjdavies, untrimmed fingernails work, the screen's not a terrible resistive screen. | 02:46 |
| FIQ | Hurrian: I'm very lucky that my n900 currently works *at all* | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: yeah, but when odds come to bad luck, you're doomed | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and we've seen 95% of reflashes caused by multiboot and uboot | 02:47 |
| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05, such as flasher --local causing kernel panic and bricking device again | 02:47 |
| cjdavies | think I might buy a stylus on ebay for 99p anyway, just to keep fluff out the hole... | 02:47 |
| cjdavies | somebody please tell me that the default ringtones include one that just goes 'ring ring'? | 02:47 |
| FIQ | It was unbootable until today as I searched people willing to help me fix usb and didn't find any and pretty much gave up | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cjdavies: yes | 02:48 |
| FIQ | just gave the usb a last effort for a reflash before searching a replacement, and... it just worked | 02:48 |
| FIQ | i was very surprised | 02:48 |
| cjdavies | ah, 'Low' appears to be what I want | 02:48 |
| FIQ | Then people told me to flash vanilla once I had a bootable device to maybe solve an unrelated issue, to make it unbootable again :D | 02:49 |
| FIQ | Gave it a try, and got enumerate errors so I decided to not play around with it anymore and just restore an old backup instead :p | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: best start to try uBoot to make it unbootable yet again | 02:50 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: tat would make my day for sure | 02:50 |
| FIQ | *that | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd bet on that | 02:50 |
| FIQ | i have backupmenu, and I'll try not to restore stuff to wrong kernel | 02:51 |
| FIQ | If I keep that going, it'll be fine... probably | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, just keep an eye on your kernels | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and maybe every now and then check fleabay, for a spare N900 ;-) | 02:52 |
| FIQ | :p | 02:52 |
| FIQ | hmmm not having SIM means a nicer battery life | 02:53 |
| FIQ | always nice I guess | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | not by much | 02:53 |
| cjdavies | speaking of SIM, might actually put mine in again | 02:53 |
| FIQ | well | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my N900 without SIM last some 5 days minimum | 02:53 |
| FIQ | wifi vs 3g basically | 02:53 |
| SpeedEvil | WiFi uses slightly more, in good conditions | 02:54 |
| SpeedEvil | idle | 02:54 |
| FIQ | just having sim but not internet connection doesn't drain significantly i guess | 02:54 |
| Hurrian | FIQ, since moving my SIM to N9, N900 lasts for 2 weeks on year old stock battery | 02:54 |
| FIQ | Hurrian: sounds nice :p | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: just that 'idle' is a rarely seen condition on N900 | 02:54 |
| FIQ | hm | 02:54 |
| FIQ | forgot to remove mynokia stuff, guess it doesn't matter w/o sim | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2 weeks, that's true idle | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 5 days is with wlan and IRC | 02:55 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: usually my battery last for 3h or something | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 18h is with 2G and IRC | 02:56 |
| FIQ | unless I brought both my batteries fully charged, I couldn't really count on having it working all day | 02:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | btw s/18/6...18/ | 02:57 |
| FIQ | hmm, battery is running low, guess i'll get confirmation on my other battery's condition soon | 02:57 |
| FIQ | (my phone simply didn't boot at all with it earlier) | 02:57 |
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| cjdavies | is it normal to have to reset the time/date when the battery is removed? | 02:57 |
| FIQ | cjdavies: yes | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not exactly normal, but usual | 02:58 |
| FIQ | but if you swap them fast, you can avoid it :D | 02:58 |
| FIQ | I usually do but fail occasionally | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 99% of devices have broken backup battery | 02:58 |
| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05, that's 2 weeks with the white LED breathing on and off ;) | 02:58 |
| FIQ | there's a backup battery? | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: yep | 02:58 |
| cjdavies | I saw a backup battery inside | 02:58 |
| FIQ | TIL | 02:59 |
| Hurrian | FIQ, it's the clock battery | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: yep | 02:59 |
| cjdavies | when I was dismantling | 02:59 |
| Hurrian | Nokia should have probably put a capacitor inside instead. | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cjdavies: it's a hoax | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 99% defect after 12 months | 02:59 |
| FIQ | is it supposed to work? | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: indeed | 02:59 |
| cjdavies | I assumed it wouldn't last forever, looked soldered so it probably isn't even easy to replace | 02:59 |
| FIQ | i'll take that as a "no" | 02:59 |
| cjdavies | soldering lithium cells can be dodgy | 03:00 |
| Hurrian | FIQ, it's a generally accepted fact that you run into hildon-welcome after changing SIMs | 03:00 |
| FIQ | Hurrian: :p | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cjdavies: that's what heppened here | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | happened* | 03:00 |
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| FIQ | ok so basically n900 doesn't have a backup battery | 03:00 |
| Hurrian | You know what would suxx0r: if the old empty cells leaked. | 03:00 |
| FIQ | in practice | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: if you put it that way... yes | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: it might suffice for 5...30s though | 03:01 |
| cjdavies | wow, this thing has a built-in FM transmitter? | 03:01 |
| cjdavies | epic | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | epic crap | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 5nano(!)Watt | 03:02 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: i guess it does SOME work on my phone | 03:02 |
| FIQ | if I swap batteries in <1s, clock stays working | 03:02 |
| cjdavies | well, I presume it is enough to go from your phone in a car charger to the car's radio | 03:02 |
| Hurrian | cjdavies, horrible range | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or was it actually microWatt | 03:02 |
| FIQ | which is what I usually do now, by being used to it | 03:02 |
| Hurrian | you can improve it by connecting an unconnected USB cable to the port | 03:03 |
| Hurrian | but it'll still be crap. | 03:03 |
| FIQ | are you talking to me now? | 03:03 |
| Hurrian | IIRC the FM transmitter antenna is on the board and cannot be replaced | 03:03 |
| Hurrian | No, I was talking to cjdvies | 03:03 |
| FIQ | oh ok | 03:04 |
| Hurrian | s/cjdvies/cjdavies/ | 03:04 |
| infobot | Hurrian meant: No, I was talking to cjdavies | 03:04 |
| FIQ | hmm, how's wiki feeling | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | down | 03:04 |
| Hurrian | dead? | 03:04 |
| FIQ | too bad | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 03:04 |
| FIQ | wanted to see what i had to do to get gpsp to work | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gpsp? | 03:05 |
| Hurrian | Try Googlw | 03:05 |
| FIQ | emulator | 03:05 |
| FIQ | for gba | 03:05 |
| Hurrian | Try Google Cache. | 03:05 |
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| Hurrian | it may have a copy. | 03:05 |
| FIQ | Hurrian: google doesn't seem to have one | 03:05 |
| FIQ | i checked earlier | 03:05 |
| Hurrian | whelp | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | luckily merlin1991 did a backup yesterday, though XML format | 03:06 |
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| FIQ | that's enough for me | 03:06 |
| FIQ | if it's available somewhere, that is | 03:06 |
| Hurrian | So both WMO and harmattan-dev are down. What's next? RMO? | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it is | 03:06 |
| FIQ | next is TMO ofc | 03:06 |
| cjdavies | hm, going to have to tweak with terminals or fonts a bit, still not enough room for my screenrc | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ | 03:06 |
| FIQ | ty | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I suspect 3 weeks is achievable in suspend to ram, with WiFi and 3g off | 03:07 |
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| cjdavies | but I know it works okay on the YRPARIP of the E6, with crazy small font that my young eyes can read | 03:07 |
| merlin1991 | FIQ: http://maemo.merlin1991.at/wiki/wiki_2012_11_11.7z | 03:07 |
| cjdavies | any recommendagtions for terminal fonts that are clear/sharp at small sizes? monospace doesn't look too good even at 1P | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: BTW, 7z? Are you serious? | 03:08 |
| Hurrian | cjdavies, Inconsolata is nice. | 03:09 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: why not? | 03:09 |
| merlin1991 | what's the rationale against it? | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wouldn't know how to unpack that crap | 03:09 |
| kolp | Would it be feas ible to replace that backup battery by a capacitor? I vaguely recall having seen such discussion here lately | 03:09 |
| cjdavies | I already tried looking for terminus on the repos with no luck :( | 03:09 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: install your average 7z package | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as long as mc doesn't know it... | 03:10 |
| Hurrian | cjdavies, just drop it into usr/share/fonts and rebuild the font cache | 03:10 |
| cjdavies | ah, of course, this is linux | 03:10 |
| Hurrian | kolp, someone has, but you need to find the right sized one | 03:10 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: tar.gz 47mb tar.bz2 46 mb 7z 44mb | 03:12 |
| merlin1991 | and the bzip2 one takes the longest time to compress | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | here though installing 7z stuff takes longest | 03:13 |
| FIQ | hm | 03:13 |
| cjdavies | hang on, terminus is a bitmap font, so it's not as simple to install, right? | 03:14 |
| FIQ | clock died even though I swapped battery w/o issues at all | 03:14 |
| FIQ | hopefully temporary | 03:14 |
| Hurrian | cjdavies, if its marked as monospace in the OTF it's classified as such | 03:14 |
| Hurrian | magically | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nevermind, Ark already knows 7z | 03:14 |
| FIQ | otherwise I'll have to make a startupscript that attempt to sync during startup | 03:15 |
| FIQ | ark knows most compressing formats | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | most retarded thing I've seen in a while. twitter promoted tweets for rental fonts. | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and probably it's the only compression our friends on the ugly side of the river can also handle | 03:15 |
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| FIQ | 7zip also supports most compress formats | 03:16 |
| merlin1991 | and has a semi nice commandline tool | 03:16 |
| FIQ | I use 7zip on windows and various stuff for linux @ compress formats | 03:17 |
| merlin1991 | yeah on win the 7zip gui is one of the nicest things around for opening pretty much any archive | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so much on this topic: >>Loading the archive /home/jr/Dokumente/downloads/wiki_with_history_2012_11_11.7z failed with the following error: Failed to locate program 7z in PATH.<< | 03:18 |
| merlin1991 | and also completely free and trustworthy | 03:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | "please use PC-Suite to upgrade" | 03:21 |
| FIQ | ham, always being helpful | 03:21 |
| kolp | wiki is back | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this time it gave me a quote | 03:21 |
| FIQ | ..meh | 03:21 |
| FIQ | kolp: I literally *just* downloaded a backup :P | 03:22 |
| FIQ | but ty for info | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since seeing something asking for 7zip feels like asking me to switch to windows | 03:22 |
| cjdavies | hm, so if I install ttf-droid & it updates the font cache, what else needs doing before X Terminal allows me to use it? | 03:23 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 sighs loud and long, fires up yum search 7z | 03:24 | |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: at least it's not rar ;) | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno what's worse | 03:26 |
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| FIQ | in case the author of the gpspmgui package is in here -- please copy stuff like game_config.txt from /opt/gpspm and place where it should be for the gui to see it, as currently this must be done manually | 03:27 |
| FIQ | alternatively do a symlink | 03:27 |
| FIQ | yay, it works | 03:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | DAFAQ! all_with_history.xml 705MB | 03:35 |
| merlin1991 | toldya :D | 03:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | plus mc decompresses/opens it with TWO files/ dirs | 03:36 |
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| AndrewX192 | http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/tuotteet/N900-spare-parts/n900-touch-window-assy-2691v9 is this the outermost part of the screen assembly? | 03:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | souns like | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though I guess thenokiaparts.com is kinda out of business | 04:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | AndrewX192: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Touch-Screen-Panel-Display-Glas-Digitizer-Nokia-N900-/170616003539?pt=DE_Handy_Organizer_Ersatzteile_Werkzeuge&hash=item27b9819bd3 | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.ebay.de/itm/Nokia-N900-Touchscreen-Digitizer-Touch-Pad-/130759321483?pt=DE_Handy_Organizer_Ersatzteile_Werkzeuge&hash=item1e71dce78b | 04:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | CAVE! Hongkong! http://www.ebay.de/itm/Neu-Nokia-N900-Touchscreen-Touch-Displayglas-N-900-Glas-/170779668768?pt=DE_Handy_Organizer_Ersatzteile_Werkzeuge&hash=item27c342f120 | 04:06 |
| AndrewX192 | that has the camera and all that built into it? | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's all part of the main flex connector | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this one looks good: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Original-Touch-Screen-Digitizier-Glass-Part-pad-for-Nokia-N900-N-900-with-frame-/150694732112?pt=Handy_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item23161b2150 | 04:08 |
| AndrewX192 | What's that connection for then? Is that for the digitizer? | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while this one (same price) has no frame: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Original-Touch-Screen-Digitizer-For-Nokia-N900-/370476350299?pt=Handy_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item56421c7b5b | 04:10 |
| AndrewX192 | I have a scratch on the far right (most of it is to the right of the screen, but about 5px are affected - makes scrolling in firefox a little hard sometimes) | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or you get one from HongKong for 5 bucks ;-P http://www.ebay.de/itm/New-Replacement-Touch-Screen-Digitizer-Glass-For-Nokia-N900-N-900-Free-Shipping-/170913229615?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item27cb38eb2f | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tell me how that one panned out though, please | 04:14 |
| AndrewX192 | I'd kinda like to get another N900 | 04:14 |
| AndrewX192 | Because I'm going to be doing a research project using the Maemo platform | 04:14 |
| AndrewX192 | (I found a N800 and a professor using a N810 at the university) | 04:15 |
| AndrewX192 | we need to find a N710, then I'll have seen all of them | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 770? Dunno N710 | 04:15 |
| AndrewX192 | er, yes N770 | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 770, N800, N810, N900 | 04:16 |
| AndrewX192 | N800, N810, N900, N9 | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_770 | 04:17 |
| * robbiethe1st has a 770 | 04:18 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I recently pondered to get another 5...10 N810, for general purpose microcontroler- and HID-projects. like intelligent lightswitch, doorbell with twoway communication and whatnot | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bathroom internet radio | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | robotics | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hell, it even comes with proper USB hostmode | 04:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but those critters seem really hard to find, new, nowadays | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and more expensive than N900 | 04:27 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer05: you know about the zip it z2? | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.ebay.de/itm/Nokia-N810-Internet-Tablet-/321021204318?pt=DE_iPad_Tablets_PCs_eReaders&hash=item4abe5ad75e used | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: nope | 04:29 |
| SpeedEvil | someone's selling for $10 in 20s | 04:29 |
| SpeedEvil | http://linux.zipitwireless.com | 04:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | fanoush seznam? | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fanoush rings a bell here | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly not an unusual name though | 04:34 |
| SpeedEvil | I would pastebin the email I got. but my ISP is being silly | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hard to figure what that's all about | 04:34 |
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| ShadowJK | isn't rpi more sensible for general puprose microcontroller? | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | has rpi a display with digitizer, a kbd? | 04:36 |
| SpeedEvil | possibly | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a decent case? | 04:36 |
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| ShadowJK | there are kits with various stuff | 04:37 |
| ShadowJK | but digitizer+screens tend to be expensive | 04:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://dx.com/p/flucard-sd-memory-card-w-wi-fi-for-camera-white-4gb-162942 | 04:38 |
| SpeedEvil | did I link that? | 04:38 |
| SpeedEvil | teeny Linux system | 04:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | umm, seen that before. Found a fly in the ointment iirc | 04:40 |
| SpeedEvil | it's got very limited ram | 04:40 |
| SpeedEvil | but, someone in another channel got one to hack on | 04:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | isn't it like, hardcoded URL to download stuff to their website? | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or sth like that | 04:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | I don't mean the default firmware | 04:41 |
| SpeedEvil | and no, this new doesn't do that | 04:42 |
| SpeedEvil | but it's a Linux box with 4g flash, 30m ram, WiFi, and a few gpio | 04:42 |
| SpeedEvil | and teeny | 04:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | flu is no fun | 04:47 |
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| Woody14619a | DocScrutinizer05: FYI, I got confirmation you're on the e-mail alias now, along with the others. :) The last piece of the puzzle is now in place. You're all set. Enjoy! | 05:29 |
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| Luke-Jr | SpeedEvil: got info on the open side of it? | 06:13 |
| SpeedEvil | the flucard thingy, no | 06:15 |
| Luke-Jr | hmm, no google results for source code :| | 06:21 |
| SpeedEvil | no. | 06:22 |
| SpeedEvil | it'd need some hacking | 06:22 |
| Luke-Jr | well, I just want the kernel code they have by default :P | 06:22 |
| SpeedEvil | that too | 06:23 |
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| Macer | how the hell is a nokia e7 still $300+ ? | 09:56 |
| ruskie | hehe | 09:56 |
| Macer | i'm waiting for $200 lol | 09:56 |
| Macer | i want a functional non crap phone with a qwerty | 09:56 |
| * Macer sighs for his n900 | 09:57 | |
| Macer | i'm using it again now tethered | 09:57 |
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| * ruskie is still happy with his N900 | 09:58 | |
| Macer | i would be too if 1. i still had tmobile 2. the sim reader sill worked ;) | 09:58 |
| Macer | well.. modem i suppose | 09:58 |
| Macer | i still use it but now it is just a glorified nit ;) | 09:59 |
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| vi_ | chem|st: Fuck them haters on the mailing list. You dun good. | 10:40 |
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| Skry | vi_: whats happening in there? everyone talks about this but I still don't know the details :\ | 10:44 |
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| vi_ | Skry: Estel's last stand. | 10:48 |
| vi_ | He is all up on the mailling list behaving like a complete ballbag. | 10:48 |
| vi_ | He is making multiple accounts and trolling like a pro. | 10:49 |
| vi_ | I wish someone would perma-ban him. | 10:49 |
| vi_ | Deputise me, I will do it. | 10:49 |
| Skry | he seems to be quite confusing character, I never had any shit from him though. Looks to be the kinda guy who goes from normal to douchebag mode in seconds. | 10:50 |
| fasta | Banning is silly; you have mail filters for that.\ | 10:51 |
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| fasta | vi_: which list? | 10:53 |
| freemangordon | vi_: are you convinced it is estel behind this Dd... whatever account? | 10:53 |
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| freemangordon | fasta: maemo-community | 10:54 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: Yes. | 10:55 |
| vi_ | JCdenton==estel. | 10:55 |
| freemangordon | ok | 10:55 |
| vi_ | His faux 'engrish' is fake as all hell. | 10:56 |
| vi_ | He even 'signs' his messages. | 10:56 |
| vi_ | Consider his use of the personal pronoun 'me'. | 10:57 |
| vi_ | It is UTTERLY inconsistent. | 10:57 |
| freemangordon | vi_: ok, I am not arguing, it is just my English is not good enough to make a deffinitive conclusion | 10:58 |
| vi_ | People who have a very poor grasp of english are usually consistent with their mistakes, unless they are incomprehensibly bad. | 10:58 |
| vi_ | Of course not, however I must justify such outragoues claims. | 10:58 |
| vi_ | Of course I could be wrong, however my bullshit detector is is going apeshit. | 10:59 |
| vi_ | Also, the identical IP addresses. | 10:59 |
| freemangordon | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:HhXk-v0o-BcJ:forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php%3Fp%3D1292984+JCDenton+maemo&cd=8&hl=bg&ct=clnk&gl=bg&client=firefox-a | 11:01 |
| freemangordon | yep, seems like estel | 11:01 |
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| vi_ | Yup. | 11:04 |
| Skry | is there some absolute-point-of-no-return post by estel which resulted in banning him? I mean, I don't think banning is the right thing to do unless he is seriously attacking/harming someone. I don't know nothing about this, just saying. | 11:04 |
| vi_ | Perhaps he knows 'estel' the notion of the person and the account is foobar and wants to reinvent himself, to create a distance from the 'estel' account. | 11:05 |
| vi_ | After all, he is a maemo obsessive. | 11:05 |
| vi_ | Skry: He has proven beyond all reasonable doubt he is a turd. | 11:05 |
| freemangordon | Skry: he was banned for creating the second (and maybe third) account | 11:05 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: Fourth. | 11:05 |
| freemangordon | ok | 11:06 |
| freemangordon | makes no difference after the second :) | 11:06 |
| vi_ | There is only so much civillity that can be allowed. Ultimatley, you have to execute some criminals. | 11:06 |
| vi_ | For the greater good. | 11:06 |
| freemangordon | I wonder what's with "al body" replacement ;) | 11:07 |
| StyXman | maybe he means jimmy's body or hoffa's body... | 11:09 |
| vi_ | I have stayed away from that thread. I cringe when I think how it will turn out. | 11:09 |
| Skry | well, if he is actually hurting the community then good riddance | 11:09 |
| vi_ | Skry: He is. | 11:09 |
| vi_ | He used to be cool. | 11:10 |
| vi_ | But now he is not. | 11:10 |
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| Skry | that's something I've wondered, most of the posts I've seen from him usually make at least some sense, that's why I'm asking about this as I've personally not have had any trouble with the guy, quite contrary. | 11:13 |
| fasta | What should one do with people that are in a support role that are too incompetent to help? | 11:13 |
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| fasta | In this case, I am the customer; I think I should just find another company. | 11:14 |
| Skry | then do so, there is no excuse for poor customer service. | 11:15 |
| fasta | It's the typical account manager role; completely clueless of anything. | 11:15 |
| fasta | If it was my company, I would never ever let incompetent people talk to clients. | 11:15 |
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| fasta | I also talked to some other company once in the same sector. It was like day and night. | 11:16 |
| Skry | yeah, bad business. You could report that employee to his/her boss? | 11:16 |
| fasta | They let me wait for 2 minutes and they were terribly sorry, etc. | 11:16 |
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| fasta | After 2 minutes I got an actually competent person on the line. | 11:16 |
| freemangordon | Skry: for some reason completely unclear to me, estel's last about 50-100 posts on TMO are total BS | 11:17 |
| fasta | freemangordon: some people get mentally ill, not saying that estel did. | 11:17 |
| fasta | But given the size of the TMO community, someone will. | 11:17 |
| Skry | I know I did :D | 11:18 |
| freemangordon | accusing woody and ivgalves for everything imaginable | 11:18 |
| fasta | Do I understand correctly that the forum doesn't exist anymore after 31 dec? | 11:18 |
| freemangordon | fasta: no | 11:18 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: Perhaps he going through some mental hardships IRL. | 11:18 |
| freemangordon | "hardships IRL"? | 11:19 |
| fasta | freemangordon: lost parents, etc. | 11:19 |
| Skry | might very well be the case, who knows | 11:20 |
| freemangordon | fasta: maemo.org domain should be/is transferred to Hildon Foundation | 11:20 |
| fasta | Estel has also done some good things, I think. | 11:20 |
| vi_ | He has. | 11:20 |
| fasta | I think he/she has helped me a few times when I was a complete n00b. | 11:20 |
| freemangordon | vi_: aah, got it now. Possible, yes | 11:20 |
| freemangordon | fasta: estel is he | 11:20 |
| fasta | So, people burning him now isn't really nice. | 11:20 |
| freemangordon | fasta: noone is burning him. aiui | 11:21 |
| vi_ | fasta: If anything, we are humanising him. | 11:21 |
| fasta | Ok, I don't know the details. | 11:21 |
| vi_ | Right now that is. | 11:21 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 11:21 |
| fasta | Maemo community seems to be one consisting of the most consistent and reasonable persons in general. | 11:22 |
| freemangordon | at least used to | 11:23 |
| freemangordon | though TBH I miss abill from time to time, it was always fun to read his posts :D | 11:24 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: Wow, you are full of empathy today! | 11:25 |
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| freemangordon | vi_: today? I am always like that. | 11:25 |
| freemangordon | vi_: remember when I was trying to make abill do something useful? | 11:25 |
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| vi_ | Has anyone figured out how to 'roll your own' emmc images yet? | 11:29 |
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| freemangordon | vi_: that should be pretty clear how to be done, afaik the problem is with licensing (closed stuff) | 11:29 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: this is for my own image. | 11:30 |
| vi_ | also, IDGAF. | 11:30 |
| vi_ | I will happily host ALL the dodgy stuff that no one will touch due to nokia licensing. | 11:31 |
| vi_ | flash 10 deb | 11:31 |
| vi_ | pirate sygic maps | 11:31 |
| vi_ | pirate docs to go. | 11:31 |
| vi_ | harmattan codecs. | 11:31 |
| fasta | vi_: host them on i2p for your own security. | 11:32 |
| vi_ | In fact, if I could just figure out how to set up a PLF repo. | 11:32 |
| chem|st | vi_: I know, and the IP is no NAT gate afaict... on the mailinglist people use their real names to be trustworthy | 11:32 |
| vi_ | ~i2p | 11:32 |
| chem|st | vi_: his statement that he was banned for the sole of one post is not true | 11:32 |
| vi_ | chem|st: You have been more than leniant and fair. It is a difficult position being a moderator. | 11:33 |
| chem|st | 4 people reported 2 different posts, two of them where reported after moderation | 11:33 |
| chem|st | and I gave him infractions to have him out for 3 days not to proof a point... | 11:33 |
| chem|st | vi_: it is a bare wonder I did not ban him ages ago | 11:34 |
| chem|st | getting personal with moderators gets you banned elsewhere | 11:34 |
| StyXman | ~plf | 11:35 |
| infobot | i heard plf is penguin liberation front, http://plf.zarb.org | 11:35 |
| chem|st | getting onto reggie and DocScrutinizer51, *personal* attacks does not mean that you have to use bad language on them but bark | 11:35 |
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| Skry | yeah, going personal on someone should not be tolerated | 11:39 |
| vi_ | Oh wow, emmc image unpacks. | 11:40 |
| chem|st | Skry: reading the mailinglist? | 11:40 |
| vi_ | and it is full of shit. | 11:40 |
| Skry | chem|st: nope, that's why I was asking about this all. Maybe I should. | 11:40 |
| chem|st | Skry: estel is trying to make a point, after chanmods and tmo-moderators have mad one already, now he is after moderators admins chanops and council instead of only chanops and council... | 11:41 |
| chem|st | the latter is one and the same person btw | 11:42 |
| vi_ | So I can unpack emmc image, how do I 're-pack' it? | 11:42 |
| chem|st | vi_: uh so it will flash? | 11:42 |
| vi_ | chem|st: yes. | 11:42 |
| chem|st | ask robbie | 11:42 |
| vi_ | He only did a rootfs image. | 11:43 |
| chem|st | I think it is the same archive isn't it? | 11:43 |
| vi_ | Although I now see there is not actually anything of any value in emmc image. | 11:43 |
| vi_ | 100mb of shit music and videos. | 11:43 |
| chem|st | right | 11:43 |
| vi_ | 40mb of maemo user guide in every language. | 11:43 |
| chem|st | thought you want to pack your own stuff in there | 11:43 |
| vi_ | chem|st: Not really, I want to know how to put stuff in opt. | 11:44 |
| vi_ | Although stripping out this 208mb of garbage could be nice. | 11:45 |
| vi_ | I think it is time to have a cssu flashable image. | 11:46 |
| vi_ | LOADED UP WITH 1337 WAREZ. | 11:46 |
| vi_ | So /opt is generated on first boot from stuff in rootfs image. | 11:47 |
| chem|st | yes | 11:48 |
| vi_ | That is a problem, because it relies on fitting everything into rootfs first. | 11:48 |
| Skry | I've actually been hoping someone created such image (without teh leetest warez though) | 11:48 |
| vi_ | Although, Mydocs is specified as a fat32 filesystem image in emmc. | 11:50 |
| vi_ | So one could conclude that it is possible to specify an ext3 image for /opt | 11:50 |
| Skry | yes | 11:51 |
| vi_ | The problem being unpack only extracts the fat32 image. | 11:51 |
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| vi_ | and the emmc bin appears to be a wrapper containing the partition geometry and the FS image. | 11:52 |
| Skry | partition geom is separate and rest are raw partition images? | 11:53 |
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| Skry | or is it just one big dump of emmc in whole? | 11:54 |
| vi_ | Skry: If you open the emmc bin in a hexeditor you can see the partition geometry at the start of the file. | 11:54 |
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| Skry | ahh, ok | 11:54 |
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| MohammadAG | vi_, Skry, the emmc image is created with fiasco-gen, its a raw image with the layout file added to the header | 11:58 |
| vi_ | MohammadAG: hay Mo. | 11:58 |
| MohammadAG | Hey vi_ :) | 11:58 |
| vi_ | Do you know if it is possible to add add other filesystem images to the emmc image. | 11:59 |
| MohammadAG | How the fuck do i tab in this piece of shit | 11:59 |
| vi_ | MohammadAG: ...with a tab key? | 11:59 |
| MohammadAG | Hmm, havent tried it | 11:59 |
| freemangordon | iPad? | 11:59 |
| freemangordon | :P | 11:59 |
| MohammadAG | No, sort of left the apple world | 11:59 |
| freemangordon | back to the roots? | 11:59 |
| vi_ | MohammadAG: OS/2?? | 11:59 |
| MohammadAG | As good as ios was, they stopped innovating | 11:59 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | ios, IOS or iOS? | 12:00 |
| freemangordon | vi_: naah, DOS 3.30 | 12:00 |
| MohammadAG | I tried the thing i stabbed the most | 12:00 |
| MohammadAG | Android | 12:00 |
| vi_ | ... | 12:00 |
| vi_ | and??? | 12:00 |
| vi_ | Is it really the green lands of milk and honey? | 12:00 |
| vi_ | Are the legends true? | 12:01 |
| MohammadAG | No, dalvik is still crap | 12:01 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | Please do elaborate | 12:01 |
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| MohammadAG | Out of 1GB RAM I always have about 300 or less free | 12:01 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | Do you ever run out of memory? | 12:01 |
| MohammadAG | Yes | 12:01 |
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| deepy\SIGSEGV | Oh, I never do | 12:02 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | What happens when you run out of memory? | 12:02 |
| MohammadAG | In which case it decides to free up memory by killing background tasks | 12:02 |
| MohammadAG | Such as the launcher | 12:02 |
| Skry | :D | 12:02 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | That's... never happened to me | 12:02 |
| MohammadAG | I've moved from touchwiz to nova launcher and it seems a lot better | 12:02 |
| vi_ | deepy\SIGSEGV: A cartoon paperclip appears and asks: | 12:02 |
| vi_ | I see you have run out of memory! would you like to : | 12:02 |
| MohammadAG | deepy\SIGSEGV: which device? | 12:02 |
| vi_ | .reboot | 12:03 |
| vi_ | .poweroff. | 12:03 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | Nexus One and LG 4X HD | 12:03 |
| vi_ | .crash | 12:03 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | .write a letter | 12:03 |
| MohammadAG | Hmm | 12:03 |
| MohammadAG | SGS3 with Jelly bean | 12:03 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | Oh, I don't have JB | 12:03 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | I have... uh, something 4.x | 12:03 |
| MohammadAG | Must admit that google's unbloated shit runs better | 12:03 |
| MohammadAG | ICS? | 12:04 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | yeah | 12:04 |
| MohammadAG | The only thing that convinced me to try android was jelly bean :) | 12:04 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | I heard LG got a lot of kudos by not fiddling too much with it | 12:04 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | What makes JB different from ICS? | 12:04 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | Apart from it being faster | 12:04 |
| MohammadAG | Just like iOS5 got me into apple stuff and iOS6 made me leave it :p | 12:04 |
| MohammadAG | General improvements | 12:05 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | Such as? | 12:05 |
| MohammadAG | Project butter being one | 12:05 |
| MohammadAG | They changed scrolling physics | 12:05 |
| MohammadAG | But thats not mentioned anywhete | 12:05 |
| MohammadAG | You need to have two identical devices side by side and scroll them to notice the difference | 12:05 |
| MohammadAG | Google Now is actually useful | 12:06 |
| MohammadAG | Location history kind of surprised me | 12:06 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | okay project butter looks cool | 12:06 |
| MohammadAG | The device maps my location everywhere | 12:06 |
| MohammadAG | I have a full history of where i went since i got the device | 12:06 |
| freemangordon | hmm, what is that useful for? | 12:07 |
| MohammadAG | I'm assuming i can turn that off but what the hell, they have a month of the places I frequent | 12:07 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | freemangordon: what was that pub we went to on Friday called? moments | 12:07 |
| freemangordon | what? you should drink less, location history won;t halp you | 12:08 |
| MohammadAG | freemangordon: alibi | 12:08 |
| freemangordon | *help | 12:08 |
| freemangordon | nice | 12:08 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | it'll tell me where the pub was! :) | 12:08 |
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| freemangordon | we have S3 in the office, some SW development is going on. Man, this thing is HUUUGE | 12:09 |
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| MohammadAG | freemangordon: yeah, i find it weird when i hold the N9 now | 12:13 |
| MohammadAG | The community's nice | 12:13 |
| MohammadAG | Doesnt beat maemo's or iOS's | 12:13 |
| MohammadAG | iOS's community is way more sane (in mods) and advanced | 12:14 |
| MohammadAG | Android is more trial and error | 12:14 |
| MohammadAG | You have to google to figure out a lot | 12:14 |
| MohammadAG | Theres no central wiki | 12:14 |
| freemangordon | well, no wiki, but there is google :) | 12:15 |
| MohammadAG | Oh yeah, since we're on the subject of communities | 12:15 |
| MohammadAG | What's with the recent shitstorm on the ML | 12:15 |
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| freemangordon | MohammadAG: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html#t2012-11-13T10:40:19 | 12:17 |
| MohammadAG | Me will read, me not happy about long thread on ml | 12:18 |
| MohammadAG | I like how the JCD guy speaks like a caveman | 12:18 |
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| freemangordon | well, lets hope it is settled now | 12:19 |
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| MohammadAG | vi_: install fiasco-gen | 12:24 |
| MohammadAG | It'll help | 12:24 |
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| vi_ | MohammadAG: fiasco-gen... | 12:24 |
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| vi_ | MohammadAG: cheers. | 12:24 |
| MohammadAG | It's available in scratchbox | 12:24 |
| vi_ | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=1031950 | 12:25 |
| vi_ | ^w00t. | 12:25 |
| MohammadAG | iirc the layout file has a "rest" thing | 12:25 |
| MohammadAG | Do this this, and make the rest fat32 | 12:25 |
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| MohammadAG | Oh hey, i actually posted stuff about it | 12:26 |
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| vi_ | There is something in the repos that is breaking compatability with nokia suite. | 12:29 |
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| freemangordon | WTF? | 12:38 |
| freemangordon | A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was: | 12:38 |
| freemangordon | (SQL query hidden) | 12:38 |
| freemangordon | from within function "User::saveSettings". Database returned error "1062: Duplicate entry 'freemangordon' for key 2 (apps.maemo.org)". | 12:38 |
| freemangordon | http://wiki.maemo.org that is :( | 12:38 |
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| andre__ | freemangordon, yupp, wiki.maemo.org is uneditable for nearly a week | 12:43 |
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| freemangordon | damn | 12:49 |
| vi_ | why, oh why for the love of god would you call a package loldongs? | 12:49 |
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| freemangordon | andre__: any idea when/if it will be fixed | 12:50 |
| freemangordon | ? | 12:50 |
| andre__ | freemangordon, no | 12:51 |
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| freemangordon | :( | 12:52 |
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| MohammadAG | vi_: lol | 13:00 |
| MohammadAG | I need a 64GB microSDXC card :/ | 13:00 |
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| vi_ | kerio: ping | 13:18 |
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| vi_ | kerio: ping goddamn your eyes. | 13:37 |
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| kolp | Hmm, it just took nearly 12 hours to calibrate my Polarcell using calibrate-bq27k.sh, and the result is 1391mAh??? | 13:39 |
| vi_ | kolp: It can take more than 1 shot. | 13:40 |
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| vi_ | kolp: My one said 1420mAh first time then 1540mAh the second. | 13:40 |
| kolp | vi_: ok, I'll give it another whirl | 13:41 |
| vi_ | kolp: Although I do not know this calibrate-bq27k.sh script. | 13:42 |
| kolp | It's basically bq27200.sh + stopping bme. From http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/calibrate-bq27k.sh | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kolp: bq27200 will adjust LMD by only 1/6 up or down on each valibration | 13:44 |
| kolp | DocScrutinizer05: Previously stored value was 1420 or something | 13:45 |
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| kolp | Though I'm not sure how it got there, as all previous calibration attempts failed | 13:45 |
| kolp | For the Polarcell anyway | 13:45 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: do you know how to use palis bme replacement? | 13:46 |
| vi_ | I have modprobed bq27x00 and bq2415 modules. | 13:47 |
| vi_ | stopped bme. | 13:47 |
| vi_ | ... | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure I know | 13:47 |
| vi_ | Care to share? | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | share what? | 13:47 |
| vi_ | The battery meter should be working to some degree? | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | latest 'version' should have batmeter replacement that works | 13:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask kerio or pali | 13:48 |
| Hurrian | vi_ are you using KP52? | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah, see you pinged him | 13:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I'm not 'awake' yet - flu | 13:49 |
| vi_ | Hurrian: No, cssu3 | 13:51 |
| vi_ | Hurrian: So if I grab the v52 beta it will pull all the other stuff I need? | 13:52 |
| Hurrian | IIRC Pali said it only works with KP52 for now, until k-thumb-cssu pulls in the changes | 13:52 |
| vi_ | Also, do I need the advanced power monitor thing? | 13:52 |
| Hurrian | Not APM. You need Pali's battery plugin replacement. | 13:52 |
| Hurrian | vi_, yup, it includes Pali's shiny new battery driver. | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: sorry, I didn't see the "to use" part | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "how to use" | 13:54 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: Thats ok... | 13:57 |
| * vi_ shoves a steaming mug of black coffee at DS. | 13:57 | |
| vi_ | ~coffee vi | 13:57 |
| * infobot steals some of Rantwolf's special coffee and gives it to vi on a silver platter. | 13:57 | |
| vi_ | ~coffee DocScrutinizer05 | 13:57 |
| * infobot steals some of npm's special coffee and gives it to DocScrutinizer05 on a silver platter. | 13:57 | |
| vi_ | I just KNEW there would be a coffee function! | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks, already sipping | 13:58 |
| kerio | vi_: the fuck do you want | 14:00 |
| kerio | i was at the uni | 14:00 |
| kerio | oic | 14:00 |
| kerio | vi_: it's strongly suggested you also install kp52 and the new battery meter | 14:00 |
| kerio | you probably don't need the last one, but it's much cuter | 14:01 |
| kerio | in theory you shouldn't need to modprobe anything, /etc/event.d/bme deals with loading the appropriate modules | 14:01 |
| jon_y | will this be in extras once builder is back? | 14:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | how's that supposedd to workß | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ß | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ??? | 14:02 |
| kerio | ßßßß! | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn! | 14:02 |
| jon_y | großß | 14:02 |
| kerio | what do you mean how's that supposed to work? :o | 14:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | events.d | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bme | 14:02 |
| vi_ | you probably don't need the last one, but it's much cuter | 14:03 |
| kerio | the "bme" event file is replaced, the package is called "bme" | 14:03 |
| vi_ | ^what does this mean? | 14:03 |
| jon_y | will both new battery meter and kp52 make it into extrans? | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this obviously means that you won't get bme started on boot anymore | 14:03 |
| kerio | vi_: as i understood it, "everything" is correctly replicated, so anything that doesn't talk directly to the bme binary should work the same as before | 14:03 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: indeed | 14:03 |
| kerio | it would be hard to start it, considering it's not even there | 14:03 |
| vi_ | NO one talks to bme binary. | 14:04 |
| vi_ | BME binary is a dick. | 14:04 |
| kerio | vi_: libbmeipc is also replaced, with something that reads the values from the modules | 14:04 |
| jon_y | ok, so a package is hiding the bme service from starting, did I read that right? | 14:04 |
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| jon_y | which is also called "bme" | 14:04 |
| vi_ | so I have installed kp52 package, modules and now flasher. | 14:04 |
| vi_ | kp52 should now be flashed. | 14:05 |
| vi_ | Where do I get this bme replacement? | 14:05 |
| kerio | vi_: ask the man | 14:05 |
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| vi_ | ... | 14:05 |
| kerio | he just joined! | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: we now have a kernel module that does pretty much everything for charging. AIUI we got events.d/bme that configures the module | 14:05 |
| vi_ | Pali: hello. | 14:06 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: "configures" | 14:06 |
| kerio | it's just a modprobe :) | 14:06 |
| Pali | vi_, hi | 14:06 |
| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: ok, this new package is hiding the nokia version? | 14:06 |
| vi_ | where may I find your bme replacement package? | 14:06 |
| jon_y | and it requires kp52 to work? | 14:06 |
| kerio | jon_y: it's an "upgrade" to the bme package from nokia | 14:06 |
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| jon_y | Ok, sort of like all the cssu packages | 14:07 |
| kerio | yep | 14:07 |
| vi_ | kerio: I do not think the word upgrade does it justice. | 14:07 |
| jon_y | where is kp52 anyway? | 14:07 |
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| vi_ | jon_y: Hiding in the kp51 thread. | 14:07 |
| jon_y | ok | 14:07 |
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| vi_ | jon_y: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1265427&postcount=141 | 14:07 |
| Pali | !!experimental and can cause hw problmes!!: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/rx51-bme-replacement/ | 14:07 |
| Pali | you have been warned! | 14:07 |
| jon_y | what kinds of problems? | 14:08 |
| vi_ | Pali: It is on my experimental n900. | 14:08 |
| Pali | for example exploding n900 | 14:08 |
| Pali | everything... | 14:08 |
| jon_y | it might catch fire? :) | 14:08 |
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| Hurrian | Pali, my N900 just exploded in glorious awesomeness when I installed kp52 + open-bme | 14:09 |
| kerio | vi_: for instance, my n900 often doesn't want to shut down :( | 14:09 |
| vi_ | rebooting... | 14:10 |
| vi_ | ...it booted. | 14:11 |
| kerio | yay | 14:11 |
| kerio | i hope you had a BM backup :) | 14:11 |
| vi_ | kerio: what do you mean 'not want to shut down'? | 14:11 |
| vi_ | kerio: This is my stunt n900. | 14:11 |
| Hurrian | kerio, isn't shutdown dsme's job? | 14:11 |
| kerio | vi_: i shut it down, and after a moment it starts up in ACT_DEAD mode | 14:11 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | Gives electric shocks and high pitched noises | 14:11 |
| kerio | i bet it's just some RTC confusion | 14:12 |
| vi_ | kerio: wacky. | 14:12 |
| kerio | deepy\SIGSEGV: go back to nethack, Adeon needs your points | 14:12 |
| vi_ | kerio: Something to do with the way usb is left at shutdown. | 14:12 |
| vi_ | Or something. | 14:12 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | I'm at work | 14:12 |
| kerio | ...so? | 14:12 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | Why aren't you in SIGSEGV yet? | 14:12 |
| kerio | vi_: maybe, but the led isn't turned on | 14:12 |
| vi_ | Just never switch it off...fixed. | 14:12 |
| kerio | deepy\SIGSEGV: ECHAN, also because i'm waiting to join the clan that's about to win the day before devnull ends :) | 14:13 |
| kerio | vi_: oh, of course | 14:13 |
| kerio | but still | 14:13 |
| vi_ | devnull ends? | 14:13 |
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| vi_ | SIGSEGV? | 14:13 |
| kerio | vi_: it's a nethack tournament | 14:13 |
| vi_ | wtf are you talking about? | 14:13 |
| vi_ | WHOOAAA> | 14:13 |
| kerio | as i said, ECHAN | 14:13 |
| vi_ | ... | 14:13 |
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| vi_ | to bad I suck at nhack. | 14:13 |
| vi_ | I just die all the time. | 14:13 |
| kerio | vi_: me too | 14:14 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | That's sort of the point of nethack | 14:14 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | But you're supposed to have fun doing it | 14:14 |
| kerio | my longest ascension streak is only 3 | 14:14 |
| vi_ | my longest ascension streak is 0. | 14:14 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | I'm winning by negative one | 14:14 |
| vi_ | Is it worth doing the gnomish mines? | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: blame new worldclock &| alarmui | 14:14 |
| kerio | vi_: join #nethack pls | 14:14 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: indeed | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: you're lucky since there seems to be NO documented way to remove 'stale' resp 'orphaned' alarms from alarmd | 14:16 |
| kerio | D: | 14:16 |
| kerio | is there no way to list them? | 14:16 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, manual edit that ini file | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's an API is you're lucky | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: you know path? | 14:16 |
| Pali | something in /var/ | 14:17 |
| freemangordon | "/var/cache/alarm.d/" | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: ;-P | 14:17 |
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| jon_y | what is the difference between binutils and binutils-2.22? | 14:20 |
| jon_y | nvm, binutils is 2.18 old | 14:21 |
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| tmx | Hi, does anyone have contact info for the Diablo extras-devel builder? | 14:23 |
| tmx | It's totally broken. | 14:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | X-Fade: ping | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | X-Fade: wiki not editable is a major PITA. any ETA for fix? | 14:25 |
| Pali | tmx, noy only diablo, but every extras-devel distribution | 14:26 |
| kerio | vi_: you left! :( | 14:26 |
| tmx | Pali, I see. I don't mind packages not being built, but it also spams me with and error message every two minutes... | 14:27 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, btw which part of maemo infrastructure working now? | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm as wise as you're | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: maemo infra still maintained by Nemein, not board or council. So I can't gather better info than you | 14:30 |
| Pali | ok | 14:30 |
| kerio | GODDAMMIT WHY DID MY N900 TURN ON RIGHT NOW | 14:31 |
| kerio | THIS MAKES NO SENSE, THERE'S NOTHING IN alarm_queue.ini!!!! | 14:31 |
| kerio | I'M ANGRY AND I NEED TO DISPERSE MY ANGER | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least we got several wiki backups now ( I created a bz2 and an uncompressed one FWIW) | 14:32 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: how much power does ACT_DEAD use? | 14:32 |
| freemangordon | kerio: power button got stuck? | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: quite a bit | 14:32 |
| kerio | freemangordon: it would've turned on, otherwise | 14:32 |
| kerio | hm, maybe alarm_queue.ini.bak is what's fucking it up? | 14:32 |
| freemangordon | hmm. btw why do you think it is in act_dead? | 14:32 |
| kerio | freemangordon: because... it's in act_dead? | 14:33 |
| kerio | i know what it looks like | 14:33 |
| kerio | it turns on, then the screen goes blank, and "turning it on" has a slightly different led and it doesn't vibrate | 14:33 |
| freemangordon | kerio: BTW you may check in syslog wor bootreason iirc | 14:33 |
| freemangordon | *for | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: make sure you got no boostmode enabled | 14:34 |
| kerio | i haven't | 14:34 |
| chem|st | kerio: if you have no syslog it is somewhere in /proc/ or /sys/ I believe | 14:34 |
| kerio | /proc/bootreason is sw_rst | 14:34 |
| kerio | wat | 14:35 |
| chem|st | at least the last | 14:35 |
| chem|st | software reset | 14:35 |
| kerio | chem|st: i know, that's why i wat | 14:35 |
| freemangordon | chem|st: won't do the job, as it is for the latest boot | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 14:35 |
| kerio | it goes in act dead, i try to turn it on, it resets | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get syslog | 14:35 |
| kerio | fine, i'll reenable syslog | 14:35 |
| chem|st | freemangordon: I know, the question was why it booted up | 14:36 |
| freemangordon | you exit act_dead with reboot iirc, that is where sw_rst comes from | 14:36 |
| kerio | oh, so that's normal | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically any enabled wakeup-IRQ can start it | 14:36 |
| freemangordon | chem|st: he can get that only from dmesg output in syslog | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except of course when properly shut down, where only VBUS and powerbutton and RTC can power it up afaik | 14:36 |
| kerio | this is seriously weird, it turned back on after a little while | 14:36 |
| chem|st | thought in anycase pwr_btn if not started on its own | 14:37 |
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| vi__ | Pali: where in /sys do i find the data listed from bq27x00? | 14:37 |
| freemangordon | kerio: no charger/usb connected, right? | 14:37 |
| kerio | freemangordon: ofc | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: there are "every minute" alarm modes for RTC | 14:37 |
| Pali | vi__, do you know unix? :-) | 14:37 |
| Pali | the find it yourself :-) | 14:37 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: it shuts off properly if i halt from rescueOS, though | 14:38 |
| vi__ | hah! | 14:38 |
| Pali | find /sys -name "bq*" | 14:38 |
| Pali | :-) | 14:38 |
| kerio | also, i have no alarms apart for the silly HAM update | 14:38 |
| freemangordon | lol, pali | 14:38 |
| kerio | (set on a year, iirc) | 14:38 |
| Pali | vi__, it is in /sys/class/power_supply/ | 14:38 |
| freemangordon | kerio: what happens if you remove the pattery long enough to reset RTC? | 14:38 |
| freemangordon | *battery | 14:39 |
| kerio | freemangordon: it would be like 10 minutes D: | 14:39 |
| freemangordon | well, get syslog then | 14:39 |
| vi__ | derp | 14:39 |
| kerio | i got syslog | 14:39 |
| vi__ | i was using the wrong n900. | 14:39 |
| kerio | vi__: hahahah | 14:39 |
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| kerio | hrmpf, nothing in the syslog | 14:43 |
| freemangordon | kerio: what is bootreason? | 14:43 |
| kerio | sw_rst | 14:43 |
| freemangordon | not the latest | 14:43 |
| kerio | because i turned it on from the power button | 14:43 |
| kerio | oh | 14:43 |
| freemangordon | the one before that | 14:43 |
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| kerio | Nov 13 13:36:57 kerio900 kernel: [ 1460.333679] Bootup reason: sw_rst | 14:44 |
| kerio | what the fuck | 14:44 |
| kerio | that's the first bootup | 14:45 |
| kerio | so... it just reboots instead of shutting down? | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG | Could've rebooted half way through power up | 14:45 |
| Hurrian | ooh, getting 0/0 battery level for Open DSME. | 14:46 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: no, there are two powerups there | 14:46 |
| Hurrian | s/DSME/BME/ | 14:46 |
| infobot | Hurrian meant: ooh, getting 0/0 battery level for Open BME. | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG | kerio: both are sw_rst? | 14:46 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: yep | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG | Hmm | 14:46 |
| kerio | ok, i shat down (sic!) from the menu now, let's see what syslog ends up as | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | Wtf does sic mean | 14:47 |
| kerio | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sic | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | Been seeing it more than yolo lately | 14:47 |
| vi__ | edging like a mad cunt. | 14:48 |
| kerio | freemangordon: anyway, it's your and _ade_'s fault | 14:48 |
| vi__ | SWAG motherfucker. | 14:48 |
| Hurrian | meh, uncalibrated battery. ugh. | 14:49 |
| vi__ | Hurrian: I have that also. | 14:49 |
| vi__ | It is not true though. | 14:49 |
| Hurrian | whelp, time to drain battery to almost-dead and recharge. | 14:49 |
| kerio | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1938976 ohohoho | 14:51 |
| kerio | Pali: i think *it is* your fault! | 14:51 |
| Hurrian | vi_, wat do | 14:51 |
| kerio | Hurrian: bust a move | 14:51 |
| Pali | MohammadAG, hi! | 14:52 |
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| kerio | Pali: dsme doesn't know the charger is off apparently? | 14:52 |
| kerio | there's a "?" there | 14:52 |
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| Pali | 'DSME: shutdown request received from pid 937: /sbin/mce' | 14:53 |
| Pali | my tools does not tell mce to shutdown | 14:53 |
| kerio | i told mce to shutdown | 14:53 |
| kerio | via powerbutton | 14:53 |
| kerio | mce told dsme to shut down | 14:53 |
| Pali | ok | 14:53 |
| kerio | dsme decided to enter act_dead mode instead | 14:53 |
| Pali | and what is problem then? | 14:53 |
| MohammadAG | Heya Pali | 14:53 |
| kerio | the only weird thing is that "charger: off(?)" i think | 14:53 |
| Pali | MohammadAG, first question for you: Do you have this harmatan flasher? http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=23200&postcount=181 | 14:54 |
| Pali | seems that this version has more options as that from nokia | 14:54 |
| Pali | from tablets-dev | 14:54 |
| MohammadAG | I hope I still have it | 14:55 |
| Pali | can you try to find it? | 14:55 |
| MohammadAG | It was from the the N950's beta1 ocf | 14:55 |
| MohammadAG | Sec | 14:55 |
| kerio | this is the complete syslog, if anyone can help me... http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1938990 | 14:55 |
| kerio | it stops at some point, because mozilla pastebin sucks | 14:55 |
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| Pali | MohammadAG, second question: you developed new battery appet: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/status-area-applet-battery Year ago I created merge request for it and you wrote me that you merge my changes after you commit your chnages | 14:57 |
| Pali | but until now you did not commited nothing... | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG | I actually forgot about that | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG | but I've been away for about two months for personal reasons | 14:58 |
| Pali | I created new patches for your applet and now it is complete | 14:58 |
| Pali | in my git repo: https://gitorious.org/~pali/community-ssu/pali-status-area-applet-battery | 14:58 |
| Hurrian | Pali, I'm getting the same ACT_DEAD problems with shutdown with BME replacement | 14:59 |
| kerio | yay, i'm not crazy! ^_^ | 14:59 |
| Pali | MohammadAG, if you are not against I will push my changes to cssu repo | 14:59 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 15:00 |
| MohammadAG | can't seem to open firefox | 15:00 |
| MohammadAG | what date was the flasher again Pali? | 15:00 |
| MohammadAG | Pali, no, not against it :) | 15:00 |
| Pali | flasher 3.11.5 (May 17 2011) Harmattan | 15:00 |
| Pali | ok | 15:00 |
| Pali | Hurrian, check if you have older replacement version of hald-addon-bme which creating huge log in /tmp/ | 15:01 |
| Pali | if yes upload log somewhere | 15:01 |
| Hurrian | Pali, by replacment version you mean 1.0-1? | 15:01 |
| Pali | if no wait until I compile last version of hald-addon-bme with log | 15:02 |
| Pali | Hurrian, every replacement version has string 1.0-1 | 15:02 |
| Hurrian | I'm using the Nov 10 2012 version, newest on website | 15:02 |
| Pali | check if you have file hald-addon-bme<something> file in /tmp/ | 15:02 |
| Pali | last version from my website is without log | 15:03 |
| MohammadAG | Pali, think I don't have it | 15:03 |
| MohammadAG | but just a sec to be sure | 15:03 |
| Pali | seems that huge log is still needed | 15:03 |
| Pali | going to compile version with log | 15:03 |
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| Pali | Hurrian, new verision with log output is on website | 15:05 |
| kerio | Pali: i think that dsme gets confused and doesn't know there's not a charger connected | 15:05 |
| Pali | kerio, install new version | 15:05 |
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| Pali | and I need log | 15:05 |
| Pali | log is in /tmp/ | 15:05 |
| MohammadAG | anyone got the 22-6 OCF? | 15:06 |
| Hurrian | Pali, how long should we run it before sending you log? | 15:07 |
| Pali | I found flasher with google: http://www.martindengler.com/proj/n950-flasher-beta1/ | 15:07 |
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| kerio | Pali: isn't /tmp a tmpfs? | 15:07 |
| Pali | flasher 3.11.5 (May 17 2011) Harmattan | 15:07 |
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| Pali | flasher 3.11.3 (Apr 28 2011) Harmattan | 15:07 |
| Pali | kerio, yes it is tmpfs (removed after reboot) | 15:07 |
| MohammadAG | Pali, :) | 15:07 |
| kerio | Pali: it's kinda useless, isn't it? :( | 15:08 |
| Pali | Hurrian, upload log before going to shutdown | 15:08 |
| Hurrian | Pali, alright | 15:08 |
| Pali | hald-addon-bme does not watch any going to shutdown events... | 15:08 |
| Pali | MohammadAG, problem is that version is static linked (useless for LD_PRELOAD hacking) | 15:09 |
| Hurrian | Alright Pali, rebooting. | 15:09 |
| vi_ | Hurrian: no problem with act-dead here. | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG | Pali, all of them are | 15:09 |
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| Pali | MohammadAG, but if you had also static linked version that it is useless too | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG | Pali, reason is the N950 images came as one big .bin file | 15:09 |
| Pali | version from deb package on tablets-dev is dynamic linked | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG | and you simply ran that and it runs flasher from a tmp dir | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG | so it won't install deps | 15:10 |
| Pali | yes, I know | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG | isn't it just libusb that's linked? | 15:10 |
| Hurrian | Pali: http://pastebin.com/aVJ32TS5 | 15:12 |
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| Hurrian | fresh startup, and the open status-menu-battery indicator reports "Battery 0% 0/0 mAh" | 15:13 |
| Pali | libusb, libc, ... | 15:13 |
| freemangordon | Pali: most probably it has something to do with kernel modules rather than hald-addon-bme | 15:13 |
| vi_ | Hurrian: are you using advanced power monitor? | 15:14 |
| kerio | Hurrian: are you using KP51? | 15:14 |
| Hurrian | kerio, KP52. vi_, nope. | 15:14 |
| kerio | Hurrian: have you calibrated your battery? | 15:14 |
| kerio | i mean, your bq27k | 15:14 |
| Pali | Hurrian, wait 60s | 15:15 |
| Hurrian | kerio, no, uncalibrated. | 15:15 |
| kerio | hm | 15:15 |
| Hurrian | apparently. | 15:15 |
| Hurrian | I'll drain it under rescueOS, and recharge it. | 15:15 |
| Pali | and also check if you have loaded rx51_battery kernel driver | 15:15 |
| Hurrian | Pali, rx51_battery is in lsmod | 15:15 |
| Pali | ok | 15:15 |
| vi_ | Hurrian: Where did you get a 'status-menu-battery' indicator that provides numerical values? | 15:15 |
| kerio | Hurrian: try modprobe -r rx51_battery | 15:15 |
| Hurrian | vi_, cssu-testing thread? | 15:16 |
| kerio | vi_: it's Pali's :D | 15:16 |
| Hurrian | kerio, unloading rx51_battery does nothing | 15:16 |
| Pali | Hurrian problem is that power_supply_charge_full is 0 | 15:16 |
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| kerio | Pali: i thought that an uncalibrated bq27k still provided dummy values | 15:17 |
| Hurrian | Pali, so I need to calibrate? | 15:17 |
| Pali | Hurrian, it battery is not calibrated it fallbacking to calculation from voltage | 15:17 |
| Pali | Hurrian, please also check if you have last pre release kp52 | 15:17 |
| vi_ | kerio: I know it is pali's but where the F do I get it? | 15:18 |
| Pali | uname -a should report Nov 10 15:18 | 15:18 |
| Pali | vi_, look at CSSU testing thread | 15:18 |
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| kerio | dammit, mine is oct 12 D: | 15:18 |
| kerio | Pali: you should say when you make new releases dammit | 15:18 |
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| freemangordon | kerio: he says | 15:19 |
| freemangordon | but as ususlly you CBA to read | 15:19 |
| Hurrian | Pali: Sat Nov 10 15:18:56 | 15:19 |
| Pali | kerio, I wrote it in kp thread | 15:19 |
| Hurrian | pretty sure that's the latest | 15:19 |
| Pali | Hurrian, ok | 15:19 |
| Pali | Hurrian, then I need output from lshal | 15:19 |
| freemangordon | kerio: install lates KP and check if your problem still persist | 15:20 |
| freemangordon | *latest | 15:20 |
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| freemangordon | iirc there was some problem in some of bq drivers | 15:20 |
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| kerio | but... everything works for me :s | 15:20 |
| freemangordon | no, it does not | 15:20 |
| Hurrian | Pali, wait a bit | 15:20 |
| kerio | apart for that thing that also fails for Hurrian | 15:20 |
| freemangordon | you cannot shutdown | 15:20 |
| kerio | freemangordon: that's a detail ;) | 15:21 |
| freemangordon | no, that most probbaly means someone detects a charger is connected | 15:21 |
| kerio | freemangordon: the logs say that dsme is confused about that, yes | 15:22 |
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| kerio | and instead of shutting down, it reboots into ACT_DEAD | 15:22 |
| kerio | hrmpf, TMO's interface is so bad | 15:22 |
| kerio | i can't find the link to the debs | 15:22 |
| vi_ | I can confirm, my test device also shows 0 for all items in status menu battery indicator. | 15:23 |
| kerio | vi_: with an uncalibrated bq27200? | 15:23 |
| Pali | Hurrian, kerio: can you reproduce problem with charger in dsme always? | 15:23 |
| kerio | Pali: "almost" always, yes | 15:23 |
| vi_ | kerio: What counts as uncalibrated? | 15:23 |
| freemangordon | hmm, "state change request: DSME_STATE_USER -> DSME_STATE_ACTDEAD" | 15:23 |
| Pali | because hald-addon-bme sending charger state (connected/disconnected) only when state is changing (and not on startup!) | 15:23 |
| kerio | Pali: ooh, maybe if i connect the charger it figures it out? | 15:24 |
| vi_ | kerio: I have the correct value in 'last measured discharge'. | 15:24 |
| kerio | hold on, i'll try | 15:24 |
| Pali | please test this: start up phone, connect charger, disconnect charger and power off | 15:24 |
| freemangordon | Pali: dsme is confused on shutdown | 15:24 |
| freemangordon | aah, i see | 15:24 |
| Pali | maybe somebody must tell dsme initial status | 15:24 |
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| freemangordon | yeah, makes sense | 15:24 |
| kerio | Pali: it seems to power down fine :) | 15:25 |
| freemangordon | phew :D | 15:25 |
| Pali | Hurrian can you confirm this? | 15:25 |
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| Hurrian | Pali, wait a bit | 15:26 |
| Pali | ok | 15:26 |
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| kerio | Pali: where do the values in rx51_battery come from, btw? | 15:26 |
| vi_ | kerio: How do I calibrate my battery then? | 15:26 |
| Pali | kerio, from madc channels | 15:26 |
| kerio | vi_: i have a script for people who use the bme replacement, hold on | 15:27 |
| freemangordon | kerio: the same place where BME gets them | 15:27 |
| Pali | btw, hald-addon-bme should work also without calibration! | 15:27 |
| Pali | please test this state too | 15:27 |
| vi_ | kerio: No wait, it is fine. | 15:27 |
| kerio | vi_: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1939035 | 15:27 |
| vi_ | kerio: ... | 15:27 |
| vi_ | kerio: I am using the wrong n900 again. I have never calibrated this one. | 15:28 |
| kerio | vi_: it boils down to "charge until VDQ, discharge until EDV1" | 15:28 |
| freemangordon | Pali: when do you update values in status applet and in BME? | 15:28 |
| Pali | status menu appet update values when hald-addon-bme change them | 15:28 |
| freemangordon | and when ...bme change them? | 15:29 |
| kerio | anyway, i should install the correct KP52 | 15:29 |
| kerio | Pali: did the modules change? are my backups still valid? | 15:29 |
| vi_ | kerio: Yeah, I have done that loads of times on the 'normal' n900. | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619a: thanks for the info | 15:29 |
| kerio | vi_: but my script is neat! | 15:29 |
| Pali | and hald-addon-bme updating when 1) bq2415x change state or 2) every 30s | 15:29 |
| vi_ | kerio: Yes it is. | 15:29 |
| freemangordon | Pali: baad | 15:29 |
| vi_ | kerio: So is 'bq27x00 -5'. | 15:30 |
| freemangordon | change that 30s to 60 | 15:30 |
| kerio | freemangordon: why? :o | 15:30 |
| Pali | why? | 15:30 |
| Hurrian | Pali: http://pastebin.com/CZB2ur82 | 15:30 |
| freemangordon | and update them on mce_tkunlock | 15:30 |
| kerio | freemangordon: ooh, neat! | 15:30 |
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| freemangordon | or keep 30, makes no sense | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: hi, long time no see | 15:31 |
| Pali | freemangordon, this doing also stock hald-addon-bme? | 15:31 |
| Pali | I see mce_tklock code, but it is not used | 15:31 |
| freemangordon | yes, and iirc there was code for that | 15:31 |
| freemangordon | exactly | 15:31 |
| freemangordon | this is what this code is | 15:31 |
| Hurrian | Pali: I posted lshal dump | 15:31 |
| Pali | ok | 15:31 |
| Pali | now parsing | 15:31 |
| vi_ | kerio: Did you write that script? | 15:31 |
| freemangordon | Pali: that way you'll have valid values ready for the user to read them | 15:32 |
| Pali | and update every 60s? | 15:32 |
| kerio | vi_: yes, from an idea by the one who scrutinizes | 15:32 |
| Hurrian | Also Pali, the plug in charger, unplug and poweroff works to cleanly shutdown device | 15:32 |
| Pali | Hurrian, thanks for confirming | 15:32 |
| kerio | vi_: rewritten in a neater way, and then rewritten again for the bme replacement | 15:32 |
| freemangordon | Pali: yes | 15:32 |
| vi_ | kerio: It is cleanly done, I like it. | 15:32 |
| freemangordon | iirc the original poll timeout was 60 | 15:33 |
| kerio | vi_: i threw that together kinda quickly, there are still too many paths around | 15:33 |
| freemangordon | Pali: BTW what do you poll? | 15:33 |
| Pali | Hurrian, your battery is not calibrated, but hald-addon-bme doing some calculation based on voltage | 15:33 |
| Pali | so hald-addon-bme working fine | 15:33 |
| vi_ | kerio: 'threw it together!'...oh stoppit you! | 15:33 |
| kerio | vi_: i mean the changes for openbme | 15:34 |
| kerio | also :3 | 15:34 |
| Hurrian | Pali, so problem is in status area applet? | 15:34 |
| Pali | Hurrian, then problem is in status menu appet | 15:34 |
| Hurrian | Pali, got it. So that's why hald-addon-bme log still shows mV readings. | 15:34 |
| Pali | hald-addon-bme reading every value (mV too) | 15:35 |
| Pali | but it using as fallback when battery is not calibrated | 15:35 |
| Pali | note that this value could not be correct | 15:35 |
| Pali | but is usefull for battery is low signal | 15:36 |
| kerio | Hurrian: the voltage is always accurate | 15:36 |
| kerio | voltage and current don't depend on any calibration | 15:36 |
| Hurrian | Ah, right. It was only capacity, right? | 15:36 |
| kerio | "only", he says :) | 15:37 |
| Pali | new version of hald-addon-bme updated | 15:37 |
| Pali | test and report if shutdown working... | 15:37 |
| kerio | Pali: hold on, i'm installing the new kp52 | 15:37 |
| freemangordon | Pali: hmm, look here https://gitorious.org/hald-addon-bme/hald-addon-bme/blobs/master/src/hald-addon-bme.c#line124 | 15:38 |
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| freemangordon | it is 6, not 60 | 15:38 |
| kerio | Pali: how do i make uboot again? | 15:38 |
| Pali | freemangordon, right I will change it to 60 | 15:39 |
| Pali | kerio, reinstall uboot | 15:39 |
| freemangordon | Pali: ^^^ | 15:39 |
| freemangordon | it is 6, not 60 | 15:39 |
| kerio | Pali: i mean with the kernel payload | 15:39 |
| freemangordon | also look here https://gitorious.org/hald-addon-bme/hald-addon-bme/blobs/master/src/hald-addon-bme.c#line678 | 15:39 |
| Pali | I know | 15:39 |
| freemangordon | 60 might be too big underv heavy load | 15:39 |
| freemangordon | *under | 15:39 |
| Pali | kerio, u-boot-gen-combined | 15:40 |
| Pali | freemangordon, so which interval? | 15:40 |
| kerio | oh right, first i need to make the zImage an uImage | 15:40 |
| freemangordon | Pali: stock is doing it every 6 seconds | 15:40 |
| Pali | mkimage | 15:40 |
| Hurrian | Pali, shutdown works properly now without charger in new hald-addon-bme ;) | 15:41 |
| Hurrian | Anyways, Pali, I'm going to sleep for the night. Keep me updated on any fixes. I'll be watching the cssu-testing and kp51 threads. | 15:41 |
| Hurrian | Goodnight, guys. | 15:41 |
| kerio | Pali: found your instructions on tmo, ty | 15:41 |
| freemangordon | Hurrian: night | 15:41 |
| Pali | Hurrian, bye | 15:41 |
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| vi_ | bb Hurrian | 15:41 |
| freemangordon | Pali: though 6 seconds seems to short interval to me. don;t know :( | 15:42 |
| vi_ | freemangordon: I certainly does. | 15:42 |
| vi_ | ^It | 15:42 |
| freemangordon | Pali: do you have any notofication? | 15:42 |
| freemangordon | *notification | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually *NO* applet should do timer based refresh (excetp clock applet of course) | 15:43 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: this is hald-addon-bme | 15:43 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: the question is: should Pali keep the original poll interval of 6 seconds | 15:44 |
| freemangordon | IIRC we'had discussed that. Unfortunately can;t remember the conclusions :) | 15:45 |
| vi_ | compromise, 15s | 15:45 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, how often should hald-addon-bme read values from bq27x00_battery kernel driver? | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | through whole system you follow (embedded but not only) concept of event driven action. An event might be created by a peripheral e.g. changging a value of some sensor | 15:45 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, sure. But we don't have that | 15:46 |
| freemangordon | Pali: make this 6 (like stock) and check for some env variable | 15:46 |
| freemangordon | 10 wakeups per minute should not affect battery that much | 15:47 |
| vi_ | but imagine if it was only 4? | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all your desktop widgets whatever they are (status area, desktop, in a window,...) update on value change event, and on "to front" resp get-focus, resp visible/show | 15:48 |
| freemangordon | vi_: we risk to not have enough charge to do proper shutdown | 15:48 |
| freemangordon | hmm, wait | 15:48 |
| Pali | freemangordon, and nokia bme also updating when mce unlock screen? | 15:49 |
| freemangordon | Pali: yes | 15:49 |
| freemangordon | Pal an idea | 15:49 |
| freemangordon | Pali: ^^^ | 15:49 |
| Pali | so every 6 s + on unlock | 15:49 |
| freemangordon | keep poll interval 60 seconds until the charge/voltage drops to a certain level | 15:49 |
| freemangordon | yes | 15:49 |
| freemangordon | thean shorten the period to lets say 20 seconds | 15:50 |
| freemangordon | until voltage/charge drops to lets say 15% | 15:50 |
| kerio | Pali: unrelated - what resets OSSO_VERSION actually? | 15:50 |
| freemangordon | then check every 6 seconds | 15:50 |
| freemangordon | Pali: ^^^ ? | 15:50 |
| kerio | Pali: because flashing my uboot with softupd and flasher didn't change it | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kernel does monitoring of values around battery. Obviously bq27200 doesn't provide an IRQ for value change, and there's no genuine poll interval (unlike with bq24150). So kernel has to decide how often poll bq27200. I suggest to do this on a per-minute basis as long as voltage VBAT >3.6V, and on a 5s basis on lower VBAT | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hey, freemangordon beat me to it | 15:51 |
| freemangordon | Pali: of course update values on mce unlock | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there has to be a genuine X event to refresh display | 15:52 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: mce_tklock or something | 15:53 |
| kerio | there's an event in mce | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | e.g weather applet evidently does refresh (download new data) only when screen goes visible by whatever action/cause | 15:53 |
| kerio | Pali: booted with current KP52 and current hald-addon-bme then shut down - no act_dead | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: that's nonsense since there are other cases where homescreen not visible | 15:54 |
| kerio | A+++ would not enter act_dead again | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, doesn't 100% apply for statusarea | 15:54 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: battery applet? it's basically only with fullscreen applications | 15:54 |
| kerio | also, the status applet is responsible for the "low battery" banners | 15:54 |
| kerio | so there's not even that excuse | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I bet there's a similar event for status-area like there is in X for homescreen refresh | 15:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, design is fubar even in original fremantle it seems. They did poll, a terribly BAD[TM] idea | 15:56 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: stock hald-addon-bme does it on mce tk_lock "unlocked" dbus signal, I can't think of a reason why should we doit in a different way | 15:56 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: does bq27k have no interrupts at all? :( | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since I guess it's asking for too much to sanitize that mess at root | 15:57 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: to be fair, what should the interrupt be? | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest to follow fmg/my suggestion with variable poll freq | 15:57 |
| kerio | changed VBAT? | 15:57 |
| freemangordon | Pali: do you need any help with that? | 15:57 |
| Pali | I will implement it | 15:58 |
| freemangordon | Toldya i feel I know something GLIB/GTK :D:D:D | 15:58 |
| freemangordon | ok | 15:58 |
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| freemangordon | though for the life of mine I still cannot understand how ot is possible to name a function "gtk_box_pack_start/end" :D | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: there are some few instances where maemo kernel actually creates proper interrupt. Not even on VBUS detection though, that's why bme/hald-addon is polling shit | 15:59 |
| kerio | hold on, so the kernel still polls bq27k/bq24k? | 16:00 |
| freemangordon | kerio: yes | 16:00 |
| freemangordon | bq polls eevry 5 seconds | 16:00 |
| freemangordon | *every | 16:00 |
| kerio | so polling every 5 seconds could lead to you having up-to-10-seconds old data | 16:01 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: BTW isn't there some GPIO connected to bq battery chip? | 16:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: nope | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only I2C bus 2 | 16:04 |
| kerio | polling sucks :s | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | both bq chips don't really support IRQ | 16:05 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: then how does the n900 figure out immediately that you plugged in the charger? | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bq24150 would, for error conditions, on OTG output | 16:05 |
| Pali | twl4030 send some signal and kernel catch it | 16:07 |
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| Pali | then kernel musb code calling that detect fastcharger function | 16:07 |
| vi_ | This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing! | 16:07 |
| vi_ | apt kernel-power-flasher (due to apt) | 16:07 |
| vi_ | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 515 to remove and 24 not upgraded. | 16:07 |
| vi_ | After this operation, 351MB disk space will be freed. | 16:07 |
| vi_ | You are about to do something potentially harmful. | 16:07 |
| Pali | and after that bme changing bq2415x registers | 16:07 |
| vi_ | To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' | 16:07 |
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| kerio | vi_: don't dist-upgrade! | 16:11 |
| vi_ | kerio: try apt--get remove ruru* | 16:12 |
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| Pali | aaaaaaaa, somebody trying to hack my irc account | 16:24 |
| Pali | Pali_!~servis@pat-ip-X-X-X-X.flarion.as5628.YYYYY failed to login to Pali. There has been 2 failed login attempts since your last successful login. | 16:25 |
| deepy\SIGSEGV | I'm innocent | 16:25 |
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| [DarkGUNMAN] | N900 finally gave in to 'Telephony functions Disabled' issue :( | 16:34 |
| kerio | [DarkGUNMAN]: :( | 16:36 |
| kerio | [DarkGUNMAN]: as usual, try a new sim and then try doing a full reflash | 16:36 |
| vi_ | 1 minute irc silence please for another fallen n900. | 16:37 |
| kerio | nope | 16:37 |
| kerio | well, to be fair i'm not speaking at home | 16:38 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | *trumpets the Last Post* she served me well. | 16:38 |
| kerio | [DarkGUNMAN]: she's not dead yet | 16:38 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | I will try another sim, but the current one works fine in another phone | 16:38 |
| kerio | [DarkGUNMAN]: get a new sim from your operator | 16:38 |
| kerio | also it's still the best tablet ever :) | 16:39 |
| kerio | it's got wifi and bluetooth | 16:39 |
| [DarkGUNMAN] | other than that, the paper in the back trick stopped working | 16:39 |
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| [DarkGUNMAN] | too true, even if i can't resolve it, i'm keeipng it as a PEN testing device should my job need it in future | 16:40 |
| MohammadAG | Hey DocScrutinizer05 | 16:42 |
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| vi_ | ~rescueos | 16:46 |
| infobot | rescue-os is probably http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ | 16:46 |
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| amospalla | is rescueos loaded ondemand through usb everytime its used? | 16:52 |
| kerio | amospalla: or via uboot | 16:52 |
| amospalla | it sounds like bootmenu console | 16:52 |
| kerio | no, not bootmenu | 16:53 |
| amospalla | yes, I mean, it remembers me bootmenu console | 16:53 |
| Pali | MohammadAG, are you still going to contribute to cssu? | 16:53 |
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| amospalla | but bootmenu console had some troubles afaik | 16:53 |
| kerio | bootmenu never had a console iirc | 16:53 |
| kerio | oh right, Pali's | 16:53 |
| amospalla | kerio: is it difficult to add to uboot? | 16:54 |
| kerio | amospalla: nah, Pali has the entry | 16:54 |
| kerio | if you want i can pastebin it to you | 16:54 |
| amospalla | that would be great | 16:54 |
| amospalla | Ive never done anything with uboot | 16:54 |
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| kerio | amospalla: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1939164 | 16:57 |
| amospalla | it has a bootmenu, but was very fragile, better its ssh option | 16:57 |
| amospalla | thanks, where should I put the files? | 16:57 |
| kerio | then put 2.6.37 and rescueOS-initrd-0.5.3.img in /opt/boot and do u-boot-update-bootmenu | 16:58 |
| kerio | that file is /etc/bootmenu.d/rescueos.item | 16:58 |
| amospalla | thanks kerio | 16:58 |
| MohammadAG | Pali: hopefully yes, its my first day back with free time though so bare with me :) | 16:58 |
| kerio | it's kinda confusing because there's bootmenu that runs after the kernel is loaded, and uboot's bootmenu that runs in uboot | 16:58 |
| Pali | MohammadAG :-) | 16:58 |
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| kerio | Pali: how quickly does /tmp/hald-addon-bme.log grow? | 17:06 |
| Pali | kerio, do not know... | 17:06 |
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| peetah | kerio: 2.6.37 in /opt/boot ? I thought u-boot was looking at /boot to load kernels | 17:10 |
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| Pali | last version reading zImages from /opt/boot and also from /boot | 17:11 |
| peetah | Pali: the rc3 version ? | 17:12 |
| kerio | the latest version of u-boot-update-bootmenu | 17:12 |
| Pali | 2012.10 | 17:12 |
| vi_ | kerio: my battery status menu meter shows zero when I unplug the charger. | 17:12 |
| kerio | uboot only reads from the first vfat partition on the emmc | 17:12 |
| peetah | ok thanks | 17:12 |
| kerio | vi_: QQ moar | 17:12 |
| vi_ | kerio: Is this normal for an un-calibrated battery? | 17:12 |
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| kerio | it shouldn't be normal, complain with Pali | 17:13 |
| vi_ | 17:13 | |
| infobot | dpkg: touch me there agian and I'll scream! | 17:13 |
| vi_ | wtf? | 17:13 |
| Pali | vi_, check output in lshal | 17:13 |
| kerio | my battery meter right now (plugged in the charger) is 52% charging 694/0 mAh | 17:14 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: is it possible that my battery capacity is 1311mAh? did i botch the calibration somehow? | 17:14 |
| kerio | it used to be 1270 or something like that | 17:14 |
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| kerio | it's a nokia bl5j, one with 1320mAh of titular capacity | 17:15 |
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| kerio | vi_: try rmmodding rx51_battery | 17:17 |
| kerio | er, modprobe-ring | 17:17 |
| vi_ | nope, no change | 17:18 |
| vi_ | lshal | grep battery charging: | 17:19 |
| vi_ | http://pastebin.com/hF0esNUz | 17:19 |
| vi_ | lshal | grep battery discharging: | 17:19 |
| vi_ | http://pastebin.com/Xt2DHcJG | 17:19 |
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| kerio | Pali: hmm, the battery capacity in rx51_battery seems to change | 17:20 |
| kerio | for some reason | 17:20 |
| Pali | yes | 17:20 |
| kerio | it seems to fluctuate towards the "correct" value though | 17:21 |
| Pali | due to analog to digital conversion | 17:21 |
| kerio | analog? what the fuck | 17:21 |
| Pali | twl madc | 17:21 |
| vi_ | bq modules are definatley loaded, as is rx51_battery. | 17:22 |
| Pali | ~seen X-Fade | 17:22 |
| infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego #maemo-ssu, last said: 'ZogG_laptop: ?'. | 17:22 |
| Pali | where is X-Fade? | 17:23 |
| freemangordon | Pali: did you try to ping him? | 17:23 |
| Pali | ping X-Fade | 17:23 |
| Pali | yes :-) | 17:23 |
| freemangordon | PM him? | 17:23 |
| freemangordon | mail him | 17:23 |
| freemangordon | send him a hooker | 17:23 |
| Pali | pm sent | 17:24 |
| kerio | Pali: what the hell, now the animation is the one of the charging battery but the text doesn't say "charging" | 17:24 |
| Pali | bug | 17:25 |
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| kerio | dammit pali! :( | 17:26 |
| Pali | seems that I need to add debug output of battery status menu plugin | 17:26 |
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| vi_ | Pali: what is the bme replacement event.d named? | 17:29 |
| Pali | bme | 17:29 |
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| vi_ | mmm | 17:29 |
| vi_ | when I 'stop bme' | 17:29 |
| vi_ | I am told bme allready stopped. | 17:29 |
| Pali | bme is only task event.d | 17:31 |
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| Pali | which one time load needed modules | 17:31 |
| Pali | there is no bme daemon | 17:31 |
| vi_ | Pali: aah yes. that makes sense, | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: well, your first day back? then welcome home, pal! | 17:35 |
| ivgalvez | MohammadAG ping | 17:35 |
| ivgalvez | I've pestered you for ages about applications you have stucked at testing | 17:36 |
| ivgalvez | I hope you could find some time to promote them | 17:36 |
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| vi_ | Pali: With an uncalibrated battery, will the status menu applet always show empty (0/0mAh)? | 17:52 |
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| Pali | vi_, are you using hald-addon-bme replacement? | 17:53 |
| Pali | if yes, then it should not write 0/0 | 17:53 |
| Pali | new hald-addon-bme calculate capacity from voltage (some approximation) if battery is uncalibrated | 17:54 |
| vi_ | yes I am using hald-addon-bme replacement. | 17:55 |
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| vi_ | I just 'dpkg -i' it and rebooted to be sure. | 17:55 |
| freemangordon | Pali: can I setui some gio on file in /sys, so if someone writes in it my code to be notified? | 17:56 |
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| freemangordon | *setup | 17:56 |
| Pali | freemangordon, only if that kernel module which own that sysfile calling notify function after change | 17:57 |
| freemangordon | or a simple select will do the job too? | 17:57 |
| freemangordon | Pali: I talk about write from userland | 17:58 |
| freemangordon | not kernel changing the values | 17:58 |
| Pali | freemangordon, files in /sys are owned by kernel modules and sysfs is not normal filesystem | 17:58 |
| freemangordon | I know that | 17:59 |
| Pali | you cannot wait until somebody write to that file | 17:59 |
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| freemangordon | can't I do select? | 17:59 |
| Pali | you can only wait if kernel module call notify function | 17:59 |
| Pali | select will return only if kernel module call notify function | 18:00 |
| Pali | !not when userland app write to sysfs file! | 18:00 |
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| freemangordon | thu fuck | 18:00 |
| Pali | what you need? | 18:00 |
| Pali | which sysfs file? | 18:00 |
| freemangordon | "/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063/rds_ps_name" and rds_radio_text | 18:01 |
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| Pali | radio-si4713.c does not call notify | 18:03 |
| kerio | freemangordon: poll dat shit! | 18:03 |
| kerio | :D | 18:03 |
| Pali | so no select | 18:04 |
| freemangordon | yeah, I see | 18:04 |
| Pali | poll will not work too | 18:04 |
| freemangordon | stupid fmtxd | 18:04 |
| Pali | because poll wait for same event... | 18:04 |
| freemangordon | Nokia broke it with pr1.3 | 18:04 |
| Pali | freemangordon, going to replace fmtxd? :-) | 18:05 |
| jacekowski | freemangordon: what? | 18:05 |
| freemangordon | no, enough RE for now | 18:05 |
| jacekowski | freemangordon: have you seen my FMTXD? | 18:05 |
| freemangordon | jacekowski: seen? no, but heard of it :) | 18:05 |
| freemangordon | maybe I should use it | 18:06 |
| jacekowski | freemangordon: it's fmtxd that works | 18:06 |
| jacekowski | no power limits | 18:06 |
| jacekowski | no frequency limits | 18:06 |
| freemangordon | KP has no power limits too | 18:06 |
| freemangordon | no,no it is RDS that drives me mad | 18:06 |
| ivgalvez | I already proposed that ages ago | 18:06 |
| jacekowski | RDS behaviour has not changed since 1.1 | 18:06 |
| freemangordon | jacekowski: mabe for you, but for me it has changed. Nokia broke it in such a way, that it shows only "NOKIA" as RDS text if you don;t have descent radio | 18:07 |
| freemangordon | *maybe | 18:07 |
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| vi_ | Pali: 'lshal | grep level' shows I have a battery level of 0. | 18:08 |
| freemangordon | song/album/etc is in RDS text section, which is not supported on older tuners | 18:09 |
| Pali | I need full lshal output | 18:09 |
| vi_ | lshal | grep battery charging: | 18:09 |
| vi_ | http://pastebin.com/hF0esNUz | 18:09 |
| vi_ | lshal | grep battery discharging: | 18:09 |
| vi_ | http://pastebin.com/Xt2DHcJG | 18:09 |
| Pali | this log is useless too | 18:09 |
| Pali | I need full lshal log | 18:10 |
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| Pali | or at least hal-device bme | 18:10 |
| Pali | hal-device <computer_full_name_of_bq...> | 18:10 |
| Pali | and more | 18:10 |
| vi_ | http://pastebin.com/4kRB2xQV | 18:10 |
| freemangordon | jacekowski: and it is not only when you play music. There is a widget in extras who tries to do some stuff, like showing the name of the caller, etc using RDS | 18:10 |
| vi_ | ^hal-device bme | 18:10 |
| freemangordon | unfortunately it is buggi as hell | 18:11 |
| freemangordon | *buggy | 18:11 |
| vi_ | http://pastebin.com/Q04navjZ | 18:11 |
| vi_ | ^lshal | 18:11 |
| jacekowski | freemangordon: they've changed that in 1.2 | 18:11 |
| jacekowski | freemangordon: and it's supposed to work like that | 18:11 |
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| jacekowski | freemangordon: you're not supposed to have any changing text in that RDS field because it's displayed on car radios | 18:12 |
| Pali | http://wiki.meego.com is working again | 18:12 |
| freemangordon | sure, it follows the standard, but that does not makes it more usable for me | 18:12 |
| Pali | [17:11:34] <X-Fade> Maemo wiki is broken because of our own auth plugin not being compatible with newer version of mediawiki. | 18:13 |
| freemangordon | jacekowski: to not have changing text? why? | 18:13 |
| jacekowski | freemangordon: so it doesn't distract the driver | 18:13 |
| freemangordon | aah, ok | 18:13 |
| freemangordon | very smart | 18:13 |
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| jacekowski | that's what's in the spec | 18:14 |
| freemangordon | jacekowski: well, this is as stupid as it could be, having in mind GPS systems | 18:14 |
| freemangordon | I know this is according to specs | 18:15 |
| vi_ | Pali: have syslog too but it is simply full of a list of 'battery not calibrated' messages. | 18:15 |
| freemangordon | but it is useless as it is | 18:15 |
| Pali | vi_, I do not need syslog | 18:15 |
| Pali | vi_, rx51_battery is OK | 18:16 |
| Pali | vi, bq2415x is OK | 18:17 |
| Pali | vi_, bq27x00 is OK (but not calibrated) | 18:17 |
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| teotwaki | That moment when you realise that the archiving process wasn't as failproof as you'd been told: Fuck. | 18:18 |
| kerio | teotwaki: which archiving process? | 18:18 |
| teotwaki | Something at work. | 18:18 |
| Pali | vi_, hald-addon-bme reports: 63% (801/1272) Charging | 18:18 |
| teotwaki | The past 5 years worth of Call Data Records. | 18:19 |
| Pali | so hald-addon-bme seems working | 18:19 |
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| freemangordon | jacekowski: any clue what that is: | 18:19 |
| freemangordon | "signal sender=:1.312 -> dest=(null destination) serial=85 path=/com/nokia/fmtx/default; interface=com.nokia.FMTx.Device; member=Changed" | 18:19 |
| Pali | so problem is in status menu battery plugin | 18:19 |
| Pali | vi_, are you using orignal nokia or my replacement of status menu battery plugin? | 18:19 |
| vi_ | Your replacement. | 18:19 |
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| Pali | ok, so there is bug in my plugin | 18:20 |
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| vi_ | well it WAS working when I first installed it. | 18:20 |
| vi_ | I then uninstalled advanced-power-monitor. | 18:21 |
| vi_ | After that it stopped working. | 18:21 |
| kerio | oh | 18:21 |
| kerio | :s | 18:21 |
| kerio | just reinstall the applet | 18:21 |
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| vi_ | kerio: I have done x50 | 18:21 |
| kerio | you probably suck | 18:21 |
| kerio | purge both, install Pali's | 18:21 |
| vi_ | ;/ | 18:21 |
| kerio | and then reboot | 18:21 |
| vi_ | :/ | 18:21 |
| kerio | ;\ | 18:22 |
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| vi_ | kerio: Like 100x now | 18:22 |
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| Pali | problem with autobuilder: [17:22:14] <X-Fade> the script is incompatible with a newer version of python | 18:25 |
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| vi_ | does anyone know what the stock battery status applet is called? | 18:29 |
| vi_ | What package am I looking for? | 18:30 |
| Pali | status-area-applet-battery | 18:33 |
| Pali | just downgrade it | 18:33 |
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| kerio | Pali: anyway, i had no problems with the old hald-addon-bme | 18:46 |
| kerio | :c | 18:46 |
| kerio | old=the one with no logging | 18:47 |
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| Pali | kerio, there was bug | 18:47 |
| kerio | =and with the KP52 from october | 18:47 |
| kerio | Pali: yeah, but at least charging meant charging and no charging meant no charging | 18:47 |
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| Pali | kerio, I updated hald-addon-bme, now it refresh values when display is unlocked | 18:48 |
| Pali | and also pushed source code to gitorious | 18:48 |
| kerio | ~pali | 18:51 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: give infobot a kick | 18:51 |
| vi_ | Well I do not get it. | 18:52 |
| vi_ | The applet just shows all zeros and an empty battery. | 18:52 |
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| kerio | Pali: maybe there's a bug in the noncalibration detection? | 18:52 |
| vi_ | When the charger is attached it shows charging graphic and all zeros. | 18:52 |
| vi_ | If I rmmod bq27x00_battery | 18:53 |
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| vi_ | If I rmmod bq27x00_battery it shows empty battery graphic an 0/1247mAh. | 18:54 |
| vi_ | And stops charging. | 18:54 |
| vi_ | If I then modprobe bq27x00 it goes back to all zeros. | 18:54 |
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| Pali | vi_, what that reports? hald-addon-bme? | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: done | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: thanks | 18:55 |
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| kerio | infobot: hi | 18:56 |
| infobot | hi, kerio | 18:56 |
| kerio | ^_^ | 18:56 |
| kerio | ~pali | 18:56 |
| infobot | i guess pali is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/ | 18:56 |
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| vi_ | Pali: that is what the status area applet shows. | 18:56 |
| Pali | ok, so problem is in status area applet | 18:57 |
| Pali | wait until I patch applet to provide debug ingo | 18:57 |
| Pali | *info | 18:57 |
| vi_ | o0k | 18:57 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders how to set some highlight on generic joun/nick/quit actions and other [info] msgs | 19:01 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in Kontact | 19:01 |
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| Woody14619b | Docscrutinizer05: FWIW, if others are making wiki/repo backups, would it be possible to setup a torrent of said items? That would allow others to share such info, ensure multiple backups, and allow less personal load per person network wise... | 19:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619b: why not? | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though apt-mirror can mirror arbitrary other mirrors | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wiki backup is <50MB compressed | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afk, bbl | 19:25 |
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| cjdavies | seems that changing user's shell to bash4 breaks easydebian, as it seems to try to execute bash4 within the debian chroot | 20:12 |
| cjdavies | woe is me | 20:12 |
| cjdavies | just after I installed debian _on a phone_ | 20:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hi cjdavies | 20:13 |
| cjdavies | 'sup DocScrutinizer51 | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | still flu | 20:14 |
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| cjdavies | kill it with fire | 20:15 |
| cjdavies | or, amantadine | 20:15 |
| cjdavies | your choice | 20:15 |
| kerio | cjdavies: it's easy to break easydebian | 20:18 |
| kerio | the whole infrastructure is a piece of crap | 20:18 |
| cjdavies | the concept is fun though | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hehe | 20:18 |
| kerio | indeed | 20:18 |
| cjdavies | it's debian _on a phone_ | 20:18 |
| cjdavies | this still entertains me | 20:18 |
| kerio | it's the execution that i find lacking | 20:18 |
| * cjdavies is maybe easily pleased | 20:18 | |
| kerio | cjdavies: dude, your n900 is already debian on a phone | 20:18 |
| kerio | anyway, it's kinda easy to fix i suppose | 20:18 |
| kerio | mount the image, ln -s bin/bash bin/bash4 | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nah, linux on the phone is for the real men | 20:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | no matter which flavor | 20:19 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer51: android! | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's no linux | 20:19 |
| kerio | the kernel is right | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | particularly kernel isn't afaik | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wkaelocks | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | whatnot else | 20:20 |
| cjdavies | so if I just do mkdir /foo && mount /home/user/MyDocs/<image>.ext3 /foo && ln -s /foo/bin/bash /foo/bin/bash4 I should be giddy? | 20:20 |
| kerio | cjdavies: i suppose so | 20:20 |
| kerio | i'm just guessing here | 20:21 |
| kerio | but "/bin/bash4" is not found anywhere in debian afaik | 20:21 |
| kerio | (and for good reasons) | 20:21 |
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| cjdavies | what if I make a symlink in debian called /bin/bash4 that points to /bin/bash ..? | 20:22 |
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| raccoon_ | DocScrutinizer51, kerio: android is based on linux, both file system layout and kernel, but the similarities stops at "based on". android has made lots of changes, most of them will not make it back into mainline linux kernel. | 20:24 |
| kerio | cjdavies: that's what i told you to do | 20:25 |
| cjdavies | seems to work | 20:25 |
| cjdavies | :) | 20:25 |
| * cjdavies should change .bashrc to indicate when in chroot | 20:25 | |
| cjdavies | bad things happen otherwise | 20:25 |
| kerio | cjdavies: you should get a notification | 20:26 |
| raccoon_ | i heard android devs could not be arsed to maintain their own patches, which kinda sets the bar of their involvement in linux dev :-P | 20:26 |
| cjdavies | well yes, but I like it when the prompt has a RED TEXT added to it to indicate that I'm in a chroot | 20:26 |
| cjdavies | typing a destructive command into a terminal that you think is a chroot only to realise a few seconds later that it's the host filesystem.... | 20:26 |
| cjdavies | is not fun | 20:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | sup | 20:27 |
| kerio | tadzik: done copying? | 20:28 |
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| kerio | tadzik: you should probably (make a copy of your image and then) zero out the first 512 bytes so that nothing thinks that that partition table is actually valid | 20:28 |
| Woody14619b | DocScrutinizer05: K. Would be nice to set that up and publicize it a bit. Sharing anything community related like that would be nice, since it would prevent accidental DoS attacks on the servers. :) | 20:29 |
| Woody14619b | DocScrutinizer05: Also, something to add to the list of things for Council to do: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1293889&postcount=177 | 20:30 |
| kerio | Woody14619b: i think that "attack" implies malevolence | 20:31 |
| Woody14619b | not always kerio. Sometimes people do things that they think should be just fine, like running a bot or script to do some task. | 20:31 |
| kerio | yeah but those aren't DoS attacks | 20:32 |
| Woody14619b | But if that task winds up causing that service to crash, or prevents others from accessing it.... | 20:32 |
| Woody14619b | Fine.. what would you call it then? | 20:32 |
| Woody14619b | If I ran a script that sucked up all the bandwidth for the wiki as it backed it up, and others couldn't access it while it ran, what is that called? | 20:33 |
| kerio | a dick move | 20:33 |
| kerio | :P | 20:33 |
| Woody14619b | Being a native English speaker, I would use the term DoS attack. Attack does not always imply malevolence. | 20:33 |
| kerio | my point is that it can't be an accidental DoS attack, it's either an accidental DoS or a DoS attack | 20:33 |
| Woody14619b | One can be attacked by an animal that is protecting its children. The animal is not malevolent... It simply is protecting itself. | 20:34 |
| Woody14619b | Yet it's still called an attack. | 20:34 |
| kerio | hm | 20:35 |
| Woody14619b | What you perceive as an accident, the rest of the world sees as an attack. It's that simple. | 20:35 |
| kerio | k, makes sense | 20:35 |
| Woody14619b | If I accidentally shoot you, you're still shot... | 20:35 |
| Woody14619b | :) | 20:35 |
| kerio | yeah but don't shoot me | 20:36 |
| Woody14619b | Anyway... back to work. But yes, just want to make sure people don't all start trying to archive everything directly, preventing anyone from doing so fully. | 20:36 |
| Woody14619b | Much better to have a P2P share of one good snapshot than 50 bad snapshots and the server going poof because of accidental abuse. :) | 20:36 |
| tadzik | kerio: still going | 20:40 |
| tadzik | kerio: there's another thing thogh: maemo sees my contacts and sms-ses | 20:40 |
| tadzik | they aren't gone, and I'd like to keep them that way | 20:41 |
| tadzik | /home/user generally seems ok, just not MyDocs | 20:41 |
| kerio | hm | 20:41 |
| kerio | yes, reflashing vanilla will bork those | 20:41 |
| kerio | can't you sync them? | 20:41 |
| tadzik | I probably can, I need to figure out some sensemaking way to do it | 20:42 |
| tadzik | what would you recommend? | 20:42 |
| kerio | either sync them or copy the files somewhere | 20:42 |
| tadzik | I don't have MyDocs to copy them to | 20:42 |
| kerio | idk, i use apple's iSync | 20:42 |
| tadzik | I can use an SDcard, maybe | 20:42 |
| kerio | i think it's just a matter of copying files and copying them back afterwards | 20:43 |
| tadzik | right | 20:43 |
| kerio | oh, you could use the official Backup app | 20:43 |
| tadzik | but where would it store the .tgz? | 20:43 |
| kerio | on a uSD | 20:43 |
| tadzik | yeah, that'd work | 20:43 |
| tadzik | (I hope :)) | 20:43 |
| tadzik | ok, mydocs copied | 20:44 |
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| tadzik | now osso-usb-<TAB>-disable.sh, yes? | 20:45 |
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| kerio | tadzik: i haven't gone that far | 20:45 |
| kerio | but yeah | 20:45 |
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| kerio | or maybe osso-usb-whatever-disable.sh /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 20:46 |
| tadzik | yeah, did this | 20:46 |
| kerio | or just unplug the usb :) | 20:46 |
| tadzik | it shouldn't matter, really :) | 20:46 |
| kerio | anyway, now that you have a copy, sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 | 20:46 |
| kerio | and start working on recovering data from the vfat partition on your laptop | 20:46 |
| tadzik | you mean on device? | 20:47 |
| kerio | maybe you won't need to reflash | 20:47 |
| kerio | yes | 20:47 |
| kerio | hell, you didn't need to reflash at all imo | 20:47 |
| tadzik | done | 20:47 |
| kerio | tadzik: now reboot | 20:47 |
| tadzik | now mount? | 20:47 |
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| tadzik | ok | 20:47 |
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| tadzik | kerio: okay, it now sees MyDocs | 20:49 |
| tadzik | with all those funny stuff created | 20:49 |
| kerio | yay | 20:49 |
| tadzik | so, huge success? :) | 20:49 |
| kerio | only if you manage to recover the bulk of your data :) | 20:49 |
| tadzik | yeah. Only Moderate Success now :) | 20:50 |
| tadzik | then I'll need to sort out pictures from the camera from gigabytes of maps of germany... | 20:50 |
| kerio | ohohoho | 20:51 |
| kerio | well, i think map tiles are square and kinda small | 20:51 |
| kerio | so dick around with imagemagick :) | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (DoS, accidental abuse) merlin1991 created a XML backup of wiki, it's on the servers mentioned in that "resources" thread | 20:52 |
| tadzik | maybe just sorting by size :) | 20:52 |
| kerio | you probably lost "minor" things like the filenames | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and on maemo.cloud-7.de | 20:52 |
| tadzik | yeah, I've been through that :) | 20:52 |
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| tadzik | so, cssu and thumb now :) | 20:52 |
| kerio | hahahaha | 20:52 |
| tadzik | kerio: thank you very much for your help | 20:52 |
| kerio | fuck yeah | 20:52 |
| tadzik | I owe you one :) | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's one friggin large 700+MB XML file, plus all the .$img files | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only 40+MB compressed though | 20:53 |
| kerio | 40MB of compressed text is quite a lot of text | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's whole wiki | 20:55 |
| tadzik | well, xml ;) | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/ | 20:56 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 20:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo wiki-backup is http://maemo.merlin1991.at/wiki/ http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/wiki/ http://maemo.cloud-7.de/wiki.bz2 | 20:57 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 20:57 |
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| tadzik | ha! Mahjong's hiscores aren't lost either | 21:01 |
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| freemangordon | tadzik: any news re opera 12? | 21:06 |
| freemangordon | it still segfaults like mad | 21:06 |
| freemangordon | and unfortunately not a word from the maintainer | 21:07 |
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| tadzik | freemangordon: yeah, userjs going apeshit | 21:07 |
| tadzik | forgot to ask him today | 21:08 |
| freemangordon | tadzik: hmm, thats pretty old news :P | 21:08 |
| tadzik | yeah, I know ;) | 21:08 |
| tadzik | but I can reproduce it now | 21:08 |
| tadzik | ...maybe not now | 21:08 |
| freemangordon | good | 21:08 |
| freemangordon | tadzik: it segfaults as long as you open a site | 21:08 |
| freemangordon | *as soon | 21:09 |
| tadzik | yeah | 21:10 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: i confirm that | 21:14 |
| tadzik | I was apparently the only one who didn't notice :) | 21:14 |
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| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, is somebody going to create backup of meego wiki? | 21:16 |
| freemangordon | tadzik: well, we are actually using opera :P | 21:16 |
| tadzik | yeah, that was the reason 12.1 is there :) | 21:16 |
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| RzR | merlin1991, hi may that one be mirrored too | 21:32 |
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| teleshoes | anyone know how to get in touch with estel until his tmo ban is lifted? | 21:47 |
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| tadzik | tmo ban? I sure missed some fun | 21:48 |
| teleshoes | like, does he hang out here sometimes? | 21:48 |
| teleshoes | yea | 21:48 |
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| teleshoes | i missed it too, and the posts | 21:49 |
| teleshoes | are gone | 21:49 |
| grammoboy | any idea why cutetube doesn't find youtube videos? | 21:49 |
| kerio | hahaha fucking awesome | 21:51 |
| teleshoes | he got double banned | 21:51 |
| teleshoes | and it probably wont be lifted for a month or whatever | 21:52 |
| teleshoes | annoying that you cant send/receive PMs when someone is banned | 21:52 |
| teleshoes | like on an opt-in basis | 21:52 |
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| teleshoes | does anyone know if he does come on here occasionally, or another freenode or something? | 21:53 |
| kerio | teleshoes: he was banned from here | 21:53 |
| teleshoes | aww | 21:54 |
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| teleshoes | ugh | 21:54 |
| teleshoes | on all freenode? or just this chat? | 21:54 |
| teleshoes | i dont really know what 'banned' means in the context of irc | 21:54 |
| tadzik | from this channel, I guess | 21:54 |
| tadzik | I don't think tmo has power over entire freenode :) | 21:55 |
| teleshoes | heh | 21:55 |
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| teleshoes | i wish everything wasnt always for personally charged | 21:55 |
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| teleshoes | i guess...i just cant talk to estel for a month | 21:56 |
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| NIN101 | send him an email? | 21:57 |
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| NIN101 | (so he devotes his time to answer/read it and so stops annoying the mailing list) | 21:58 |
| tadzik | :> | 21:58 |
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| teleshoes | dont have an email, and dunno if you should publicly share it | 22:10 |
| teleshoes | for estel that is | 22:10 |
| tadzik | a mailing list was mentioned. Join facts | 22:11 |
| teleshoes | sorry? | 22:11 |
| tadzik | do you know what a mailing list is? | 22:11 |
| teleshoes | yes | 22:12 |
| tadzik | then if Estel is on one, finding his email is not too hard :) | 22:13 |
| teleshoes | i would need the mailserver and the list name to do so, yes? | 22:14 |
| tadzik | well, yes | 22:14 |
| teleshoes | im sorry for my ignorance; should i be able to deduce it? | 22:15 |
| tadzik | It's probably mentioned on maemo wiki or somewhere | 22:15 |
| teleshoes | mm | 22:15 |
| teleshoes | ok | 22:15 |
| tadzik | I don't really know, I'm guessing :) | 22:15 |
| tadzik | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_mailing_lists looks legit | 22:16 |
| Pali | https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community | 22:16 |
| teleshoes | oh looks like mailman | 22:16 |
| teleshoes | yea | 22:16 |
| teleshoes | thank you | 22:16 |
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| merlin1991 | RzR: what did you mean by "that" in "merlin1991, hi may that one be mirrored too" | 22:41 |
| Pali | merlin1991, maybe meego wiki | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (([2012-11-13 20:16:04] <Pali> DocScrutinizer05, is somebody going to create backup of meego wiki?)) dunno, thought it's down | 22:45 |
| Pali | now its up again | 22:45 |
| Pali | I wrote X-Fade conversation here... | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fine, so find some method to create backup and somebody willing to do that | 22:45 |
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| RzR | merlin1991, hi may that one be mirrored too :) http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/5eae171f-3acf-49b8-adc3-72dfbdc77adf/Harmattan_Library.html | 22:46 |
| Pali | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html#t2012-11-13T18:12:47 | 22:46 |
| RzR | X-Fade, thx for meego wiki | 22:46 |
| merlin1991 | hm gotta check if my copy isn't more recent | 22:46 |
| merlin1991 | hm my copy is as old | 22:49 |
| RzR | that archive is safe to host | 22:49 |
| RzR | merlin1991, wanna host harmattan-dev repo ? | 22:52 |
| merlin1991 | nope | 22:52 |
| RzR | someone has it | 22:52 |
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| teotwaki_ | sup | 22:54 |
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| merlin1991 | rZr: http://merlin1991.at/harmattan/meego_1.2_harmattan_developer_documentation_20120424.zip | 22:57 |
| rZr | great | 22:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: if meego wiki is also a mediawiki, then it should be same procedure as fro maemo wiki to create an XML backup. Ask merlin1991 or Skry about it. Sorry I got no 5 min time to care about it right now :'( | 23:03 |
| Pali | merlin1991, Skry: can you check if 1) wiki.meego.com is mediawiki and if yes 2) can you create backup of it (like wiki.maemo.org)? | 23:04 |
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| teotwaki_ | Maemo, were drama goes to burst a final time and die. | 23:04 |
| teotwaki_ | (cf: mailing list) | 23:05 |
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| merlin1991 | yeah meego wiki has the Special:Export page, but we need a way to automatically pull all page titles | 23:05 |
| rZr | great , been told nearby #mer | 23:05 |
| rZr | that is also backuped | 23:05 |
| rZr | the db is | 23:06 |
| teotwaki_ | Is harmattan-dev back up? | 23:06 |
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| teotwaki_ | rZr: have you been downloading from maemo-archive? | 23:06 |
| rZr | <teotwaki_> Is harmattan-dev back up? | 23:07 |
| rZr | not yet back | 23:07 |
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| rZr | but someone claimed to have a snapshot | 23:07 |
| rZr | <teotwaki_> rZr: have you been downloading from maemo-archive? | 23:07 |
| rZr | not now | 23:07 |
| teotwaki_ | rZr: I don't care for a snapshot, people have said that it's temporary downtime, I choose to trust and believe them. | 23:08 |
| teotwaki_ | rZr: maybe not now, but last night? | 23:08 |
| rZr | maybe but it didnt finish | 23:08 |
| rZr | have to go now | 23:08 |
| rZr | later | 23:08 |
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| teotwaki_ | rZr: you're weird | 23:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | teotwaki_: rZr hey | 23:11 |
| teotwaki_ | sup ZogG_laptop | 23:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | not bad not good | 23:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | you know when u have that feeling that u don't have any feelings left | 23:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | :) | 23:13 |
| rZr | teotwaki, yes i am , we're all are | 23:13 |
| rZr | ttyl ok ? | 23:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | teotwaki_: rZr i think u both speak french :P | 23:14 |
| teotwaki_ | ZogG_laptop: I'd rather speak English ;) | 23:14 |
| rZr | teotwaki, grenouille aussi ? | 23:14 |
| teotwaki_ | grenouille? | 23:14 |
| rZr | frog | 23:14 |
| teotwaki_ | je vis en france | 23:14 |
| rZr | eaters | 23:14 |
| teotwaki_ | mais ne suis pas Francais. | 23:14 |
| rZr | there is #meego-fr | 23:14 |
| teotwaki_ | fuck meego : | 23:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | rZr: lol | 23:15 |
| rZr | :) | 23:15 |
| rZr | well seee you tomorow ok ? | 23:15 |
| teotwaki_ | take care | 23:15 |
| rZr | bye | 23:15 |
| wmarone | teotwaki_: dead platforms forever! | 23:15 |
| wmarone | ;) | 23:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | teotwaki_: meego could be fine if not aegis and harmattan's mix | 23:15 |
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